Are there actually more refugees coming now?
Or is it just bigger news when it happens?
If you take a bunch of them, they will end up in our streets and create massive social problems.
No, they will not. Very timid people, scared beyond belief but not panicking. They remind me cattle before slaughter... very few crimes recorded considering the volume of refugees. Your fears are completely unfounded and based on prejudice, which just means they haven't yet reached your country in bigger numbers.
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entire strangers to the modern world
Majority will not escape from poverty and that all will be also our problem.
They can always work on construction sites in Wien, with many Turks who already work there. Haven't seen an Austrian willing to get his hands dirty for a week, it is not like they will be stealing their jobs. Problem with western Europe is that "poverty" isn't result of being jobless like in developing countries but rather of not being able to earn enough to sustain decent lifestyle. But with money anyone can earn in the West, one could live for months in their countries.
Its not about stealing jeubs. Its the fact that there IS no jobs.
I hope your government sterilized refugees under the guise of vaccinations), otherwise the story of rabbits and foxes in Australia be repeated))))))
Pls explain to me again how Ukrainians are the ones who are the nazís and the racists?cos ukranians is same russian ppls actually :P
Lul@Ruskis
But I am not the one to judge them. Nobody is.
Actually, they keep giving birth to young ones even while living on the streets. There was even an official number about the number of babies born since the influx started, just can't remember right now. But I am not the one to judge them. Nobody is.This.
Hm, I don't think it's true.
The quote youarewere giving is related to already present minorities - Germany invited huge numbers of Turks, Italians and other "guest workers" in decades ago.
Well, yes, that's why I deleted this part, sorry! :P
Poland is in more or less in the same position as Czech republic. No matter what right-wing idiots claim, immigrants are no problem in POland, cause we're too poor and too xenophobic to be attractive destination for them. Personally I don't like seeing immigrants coming to europe in such huge numbers, but at the same time I think that Poland has no moral right to vote against immigration, cause in last decade we have sent a few milions of people to UK, Ireland and Germany :P
but at the same time I think that Poland has no moral right to vote against immigration, cause in last decade we have sent a few milions of people to UK, Ireland and Germany :PThey left mostly for work (because we have shitty, corrupt and thievish government), not because of war. Also if foreign body, so-called EU imposes accepting people then I say no. I don't want here replays from London2005 or Madrit2004.
Help them as much as possible, but for a price.how about just stop bomp heir countryes? pay fair price for heir mineral/natures resourses? and fair pay for hard work?
I don't think this is a too high price for a fresh start. I mean, I would integrate, not that I'm religious or anything, I can get by.
They should too, it only makes things worse for them in the long run.
how about just stop bomp heir countryes? pay fair price for heir mineral/natures resourses? and fair pay for hard work?
I say unified Earth = everyone in same country = no more migrants.
Problem solved.
I say unified Earth = everyone in same country = no more migrants.
Problem solved.
Im just scared of islam i guess
but at the same time I think that Poland has no moral right to vote against immigration, cause in last decade we have sent a few milions of people to UK, Ireland and Germany :P
Im just scared of islam i guess
Refugees put an economic strain on the Scandinavian countries as the Scandinavian welfare model offers free health care, free education, guaranteed housing and income for every citizen, which is paid for by the rest of the community. So when there's a large group of people who have a hard time assimilating, joining the work force or who feature prominently on crime statistics it feeds resentment and anti-immigration sentiments among the native populations. Among the three countries this is particularly evident in the political culture in Denmark and with the very influential Danish People's Party.
This time around I wouldn't worry about that, because these people are being pushed by radical islamists and doubt many of them will stick to it hardcore way like previous waves of immigrants from middle east. Google pictures of immigrants at Greece-Macedonia border. You'll notice only older women, who are very few in number, are wearing burkas. Young people don't differ much from anyone in Europe, males and females. However, it is expected their children in few decades will turn back to radical Islam in an attempt to find themselves. Already happening right now around Europe with people who are actually born in European cities, raised and educated.
I live in an almost entirely mountainous region, there are already too many humans here: 1.056.074 people in an area of 13606,87 km², if the terrain was flat there would be more space. I'd like less people not more.Too many humans? In Macau there are 18.000 people per square km, your region has a staggering 70. Mountains or not, surely there is no space issue. In any case, this entire matter is not about "importing immigrants". You don't order some non western individuals by phone. This matter is about thousands of refugees showing up at the border of Europe that have been running from potential death, destruction of livelihoods or active combat.
Sorry we are full and also judging by the crime statistics, "we" should stop importing non-western immigrants, 71,3% of of the prison inmates are foreigners (foreigners living here are around 10% of the total population). And btw, they're quite ugly on average, so not only they commit more crimes than natives but they are also fuglier ffs. Only the educated and skilled immigrants should be allowed to stay here.
I'd also like to know how many of those 28,7% inmates are actually natives, I bet many of them are from other regions (Veneto, southern italy etc..), I dunno if there's a list with the names of all the people in jail, guess it must be against privacy laws.
The public housing/free housing system is fucked up, most of the cheap houses( which are all modern buildings with everything) are assigned to people from third world countries.
"Fuck off, we're full"
The public housing/free housing system is fucked up, most of the cheap houses( which are all modern buildings with everything) are assigned to people from third world countries.
"Fuck off, we're full"
That's because when those were given to italians they went around with lambirghinis lol and in any case there are more Italians than immigrants in those houses (rightly)What are you on about? Italy has not at all been carrying much weight concerning immigration. In fact, Italy takes on very little asylum seekers. I won't argue that many asylum seekers enter the EU through Italy, but that is a very small issue. The important part is where they apply for asylum and where they need to be fed, housed and educated. Those entering through Italy usually go straight on to Northern Europe. Only 8.2 of Italy's population is foreign born. Of these only 50% is born outside of the EU, so 4.1% of your country consists of people born outside of the EU. The EU wide average for this number is 6.3%, with Italy being one of the lowest scorers. The German percentage is 7.8% and the Swedish percentage is 9.2%.
That said, I'd love to see how germany and europe react to this, when italy had this problem (which has been around for a while, only the rest of europe wasn't menaced since we acted like a filter) nobody cared and everyone was happily safe thanks to retarded dublin regulation (which strangely enough was signed by berlusconis governament :rolleyes: ) but now it's a problem because the rest of europe is menaced.
Germany has always been praised for its capapbilities of integration of immigrants and shit like that, but people always forget that the first soil they come on it's ours and thanks to stupid dublin regulation it's mostly all on our shoulders, again, we act as a filter with close to none support from europe. Sorry for rant
By chance, why do refugees do not go to russia, care explain? :lol: :mrgreen:I have no idea really, may be they think Russia is worse than ISIS or whatever they are refuging from. :cry:
Before the website went down last night, the poll was in favour of 'There is no issue' and 'Help as many of them as you can'.
When i wake up this morning it's in favour of 'Send them all home' which was by far the minority last night. The site was down till at least midnight GMT last night.
Would I be right in assuming that since the site came back up our friends from the US have recently contributed their views on Refugees 'flooding' Europe? xD
The US takes in way more immigrants than Europe every year and even our illegals get welfare and free housing.Russia has gone further!!! and in Russia illegals built houses for free! :P
Russia has gone further!!! and in Russia illegals built houses for free! :P
Russia has always been a step ahead :P
Too many humans? In Macau there are 18.000 people per square km, your region has a staggering 70. Mountains or not, surely there is no space issue. In any case, this entire matter is not about "importing immigrants". You don't order some non western individuals by phone. This matter is about thousands of refugees showing up at the border of Europe that have been running from potential death, destruction of livelihoods or active combat.
What are you on about? Italy has not at all been carrying much weight concerning immigration. In fact, Italy takes on very little asylum seekers. I won't argue that many asylum seekers enter the EU through Italy, but that is a very small issue. The important part is where they apply for asylum and where they need to be fed, housed and educated. Those entering through Italy usually go straight on to Northern Europe. Only 8.2 of Italy's population is foreign born. Of these only 50% is born outside of the EU, so 4.1% of your country consists of people born outside of the EU. The EU wide average for this number is 6.3%, with Italy being one of the lowest scorers. The German percentage is 7.8% and the Swedish percentage is 9.2%.
Here is the table.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Germany#Comparison_with_other_European_Union_countries
Here is the number of asylum applications to all EU countries in 2013. If you divide this by population it becomes very clear that Italy is getting the easy end. You get all the young people too.
http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/images/1/12/Number_of_%28non-EU%29_asylum_applicants_in_the_EU_and_EFTA_Member_States%2C_by_age_distribution%2C_2014_%28%C2%B9%29_YB15_III.png
Someone delete my post... don't know why.... strange, because it exists in my profile, even the topic was in "Show new replies to your posts."
They left mostly for work (because we have shitty, corrupt and thievish government), not because of war. Also if foreign body, so-called EU imposes accepting people then I say no. I don't want here replays from London2005 or Madrit2004.
I don't want more and more this click (https://youtu.be/rP6U6Hhy_2M) in Europe. We have enough of our own problems.
All this situation is caused by USA, so they should take the refugees.
What are you on about? Italy has not at all been carrying much weight concerning immigration. In fact, Italy takes on very little asylum seekers. I won't argue that many asylum seekers enter the EU through Italy, but that is a very small issue. The important part is where they apply for asylum and where they need to be fed, housed and educated. Those entering through Italy usually go straight on to Northern Europe. Only 8.2 of Italy's population is foreign born. Of these only 50% is born outside of the EU, so 4.1% of your country consists of people born outside of the EU. The EU wide average for this number is 6.3%, with Italy being one of the lowest scorers. The German percentage is 7.8% and the Swedish percentage is 9.2%.
Here is the table.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Germany#Comparison_with_other_European_Union_countries
Here is the number of asylum applications to all EU countries in 2013. If you divide this by population it becomes very clear that Italy is getting the easy end. You get all the young people too.
http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/images/1/12/Number_of_%28non-EU%29_asylum_applicants_in_the_EU_and_EFTA_Member_States%2C_by_age_distribution%2C_2014_%28%C2%B9%29_YB15_III.png
? I never said italy takes many asylum seekers, i said many asylum seekers go to italy and have to be dealt with by us. Most of them don't come obviously legally by through boats and 90% go to italy. Those who manage to get papers (the sort of good ones ) obviously are not aiming to stay in italy and get to "good" germany. We have to send back those we manage to get data from while the rest stays here as clandestines and take much longer to get data; in lybia there is a black market of clandestine arriving to lampedusa and europe never gave a single shit, actually criticized us.
Yes it's all the USA's fault. We forced them to kill each other and fight over who's imaginary god is superior. Islam is the religion of peace remember? Surely it must be our fault, how could someone from such a peaceful religion ever randomly kill and massacre civilians and launder all the aid money we gave them for guns and missiles instead of food and jobs.
Not sure how will they act this time, but after war in Bosnia ended Germany is the only country that made an offer to refugees to come back to their own countries. My relatives in Austria and Switzerland are still there, those who were in Germany had to come back."Made an offer" or forced them to leave? Switzerland is definitly not trying to keep its refugee after a conflict has passed. But why would bosnians, kosovar, etc would want to go back to their no man's land when they can stay in Switzerland.
Yes it's all the USA's fault. We forced them to kill each other and fight over who's imaginary god is superior. Islam is the religion of peace remember? Surely it must be our fault, how could someone from such a peaceful religion ever randomly kill and massacre civilians and launder all the aid money we gave them for guns and missiles instead of food and jobs.Yes, the US never sold any weapons or gave any military support or waged any wars in the region, right? The US didn't support the Shah of Iran, didn't support Saddam Hussein and gave him chemical weapons, didn't support the Taleban and doesn't continuously support Saudi Arabia or Israel, Turkey or Pakistan. Hasn't destroyed Iraq, created a humanitarian catastrophe and killed and dispossessed millions of people and destabilized the entire region.
Send them all home
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I don't think EU migration here is a problem, of course some of the fascists in the Troy and UKIP lot would like to believes so; their EU migration statistics happily ignore the fact that EU migrants overall add around £20Bn to the british economy, (according to the leading UCL researchers on migration and economics at least) rather than taking anything away. I believe the anti EU / migration rhetoric in British politics is more based in islamaphobia, a fear of diluting 'British culture' (supposedly a multicultural one lol) and a disturbingly fascist streak which believes that 'British people' are some how more deserving than any others despite the fact that there remains a far bigger strain on our economy from corporate tax evasion and a largely unmotivated and lazy working / benefit class.
Migration is an economic straw-man and although welfare states across Europe are under strain at the moment this was and is due to the banking crisis, its effects are still making life harder for millions of people in Europe and straining national finances. But please, some relativity here is needed, the cost of living may have gone up, my old friends and beer may be more expensive but its not like we are starving to death or fighting each other in the streets for a bag of rice. People talk of economic migrants coming here to Europe to seek a better life as if that is some sort of a crime, think about the millions that have left from Europe to go to America to do exactly the same and how you believe they should have been treated, should people coming here be treated better or worse?
I think we should try and remember that times really are not as bad as many politicians and media sources would like us to believe, they like to keep us on the edge of oblivion because its much easier for them to order their changes to our way of life if people believe the whole system is going to collapse, fear is and always has been the weapon of the elites. Politicians have proven they are willing to let us make huge economic sacrifices when it comes to bailing out bankers (read: their friends) but when it comes to helping out starving migrants and asylum seekers its some kind of threat to our very existence, this is abhorrently reprehensible yet the British public (and apparently a few people here) seems to increasingly lap it up.
We all have to pay the price for what has been done before (both in our life times and beyond) and accept the fact that we live in a globalised world with all the benefits and dangers which that encompasses. I don't think this 'flood' will be the end of the world, it may very well change our little bit of it, but we have to decide if we want that change to be for the better or for the worse. History will judge us on how we deal with these challenges, on what choices we make as human beings towards the lives of others, and what sort of future we actually want Europe to stand for. Sacrifices may need to be made, but nothing great is every achieved without sacrifice and risk.
If you don't consider the migrants themselves as people then sure. I honestly can't tell anymore xDDrowning in mediteranean sea or freezing under a european bridge is so much better to just living in poor condition in Africa. Since Switzerland implemented an help to resettle in the home country, a lot of migrants choose this option rather than keeping doing nothing (as they are forbidden to work) in shelter in Switzerland.
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What I absolutely hate about current state of affairs is:You can find every single EU regulation on the web and it is fairly easy to get a general idea what EU policy on the subject is. Immigration is a sensitive subject that resonates strongly with most national electorates, and that is exactly why it is so difficult for the EU to set up institutions or regulations that deal with it in a simple manner. It would be so much better if we could all just bite the bullet and trust the EU with more responsibility, but apparently we are not ready for that. The national interests of EU member states make EU policymaking nigh impossible, and afterwards anti-EU parties complain about the EU regulation as being stupid.
Nobody ever from EU said what the rules are, like if we're going to help everyone, help those willing to assimilate, if we are helping to reconstruct the war torn countries or what the general policy is. I'm afraid most of the EU is busy now creating some other retarded regulations. The only one who faintly reminds a leader is Merkel, but really only faintly.
I think this whole European project is slowly going to hell unless sbdy strong, charismatic and with common sense steps forward and shows a way.
My father thinks they are here to start uprising and convert us to Islam. He forget that even if they arm themselves and try to attack, they won't be able to do anything. Two of three people in Serbia own a gun, second only after USA. Also known to be very effective against foreign ground forces, with centuries of experience. Dunno why people need to spread unfounded fear and imagine some crazy scenarios which have no basis in reality.
Even if they wouldnt succeed in doing such a thing, there still would be bloodshed aye? That would be horrible if it would happen here in good ol peaceful sweden. But then like you said, it wont happen..
Now I have no idea how the procedure is going, but isn't everyone going to say they are coming from Syria now?
To be fair Iran for instance looked quite different in the 70's until 'Murica and The Limeys started a certain CIA OP. Saddam would probably be the best solution as well. So yes, when it comes to muslim immigration, you were the problem.
Yes, the US never sold any weapons or gave any military support or waged any wars in the region, right? The US didn't support the Shah of Iran, didn't support Saddam Hussein and gave him chemical weapons, didn't support the Taleban and doesn't continuously support Saudi Arabia or Israel, Turkey or Pakistan. Hasn't destroyed Iraq, created a humanitarian catastrophe and killed and dispossessed millions of people and destabilized the entire region.
It isn't only the fault of the US but in recent times the US and before it some European nations, particularly the UK ( and before them the Ottomans and the Safavids) has definitely helped fan the flames.
How many of the people flooding into Macedonia, Greece and Italy are from Syria and how many are from N. Africa? The ones from N. Africa are leaving for economic reasons and for FOMO, especially the young ones.
So Germany is going to let everyone in from Syria?
https://news.vice.com/article/germany-is-set-to-accept-asylum-applications-from-all-syrians-who-arrive-there?utm_source=vicenewsfb (https://news.vice.com/article/germany-is-set-to-accept-asylum-applications-from-all-syrians-who-arrive-there?utm_source=vicenewsfb)
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Now I have no idea how the procedure is going, but isn't everyone going to say they are coming from Syria now?
In that case, Germans are legitimately screwing those over that they'd like to help the most. The Syrians themselves.
How many of the people flooding into Macedonia, Greece and Italy are from Syria and how many are from N. Africa? The ones from N. Africa are leaving for economic reasons and for FOMO, especially the young ones.You do know that there is still a civil war going on in Libya right?
But when a pure white Finnish-born rapes someone you know it's fine
How many of the people flooding into Macedonia, Greece and Italy are from Syria and how many are from N. Africa? The ones from N. Africa are leaving for economic reasons and for FOMO, especially the young ones.
And maybe that's how the migrants see it too.
See, you aren't so different after all
I think quite a few people are leaving libya due to the effective civil and IS / Boko Haram Jihads which ar going on there since NATO helped depose Gadafi.
Boko Haram is in Nigeria. You're a few hundred km's off. And the jihadists have been there long before Daesh ever entered the scene. There have been roaming bands of jihadists funded by drug money wandering the impossible to guard borders of the Sahara for decades now. AQMI is more involved than Daesh, and have been since the start.Drug money and migrants passing...clever system perpetuating itself!
Boko Haram is in Nigeria. You're a few hundred km's off. And the jihadists have been there long before Daesh ever entered the scene. There have been roaming bands of jihadists funded by drug money wandering the impossible to guard borders of the Sahara for decades now. AQMI is more involved than Daesh, and have been since the start.
According to Nigeria analyst Jacob Zenn, an estimated 80 to 200 Boko Haram fighters are in the Libyan city of Sirte, the site of heavy fighting between ISIL and Libyan government forces.http://www.worldtribune.com/2015/08/23/boko-haram-strengthens-ties-with-isil-sends-fighters-to-libya/
Hey, I know what, let's let Saudi Arabia, Qatar (and other Gulf Countries) and Turkey take the muslim refugees in.
Historically when EU countries try to help 'reconstruct' war torn countries it creates fairly massive instability that brings a new generation of migrants fleeing their recently wartorn nation a few decades later. Can EU just sit tight and wait for the wartorn parts of the world to sort out their shit? Talk about economic drain, how about the costs involved in any 'git the hell out', or 'save africa' campaign?
Ironically yes. There were only one or two in her extended family that ever expressed misgivings so that has little to do with it.
Funnily enough in October I'm going to one of my wife's best friends weddings and she's a Muslim marrying an American Christian. Her family are Egyptian and also perfectly fine with it.
I also know a number of former Muslims and all are still in close contact with their families.
That's why I find your posts so amusing. Formed of wide sweeping statements with 0 context other than a few small examples. The kind of rhetoric that inevitably gets people worked with anti [insert subject] feelings all around the world and you're just another following in a long line of sheep.
I don't pretend it is. At no point have I suggested my own experiences reflect on the wider world. I am well aware of the wahabi influence in a lot of countries. Particularly, from my own reading in following how many Islamic values have become significantly more conservative over the past couple hundred years as a result of sects such as those gaining prominence, particularly in the mid-19th century.
I am simply saying that you are equally in no position to make such large statements about the wider Muslim world as you so habitually do.
But as ever, Oberyn the keyboard warrior will not let the subject go once his teeth are into it so I'm going to leave it here and respond as I started.
:rolleyes:
Maybe he likes having an excuse to wear white dresses and pyjamas in public.
My mum converted to Catholicism when she married my dad. It's what people tend to do.
Open-minded religious people tend to be quite open to the idea of conversion if they marry, especially if they can justify that it's worshiping the same *thing* just in a different way.
Most atheists would not realise this because when the not-so-bright atheist biskets try to enforce their own views in a not-so-bright way, somehow and mysteriously this makes the religious person who's receiving the brunt of this completely close themselves to the opinions of that person. If more atheists were better at putting their point across they'd likely find more theists to be receptive.
Would you not argue that a retarded atheist who just barks out arguments they've heard in the media or from exciting tv personalities is not also impose-retarded? The ideas are not their own, they only stick to them because they've been exposed to those views so much, kinda like a cradle theist who was born into a religious family and never thought to question it.
If a theist or an atheist actually came up with their own angle and used their brain at some point in their life, they are normally more open-minded as a result.
I guess I just wonder since me, my family and my gf's family have nothing to do with this religious mumbo jumbo (apart from having to pay for the fucking church in this shit country). I just like to poke at religious people, usually they're not the brightest biskets.
Maybe he likes having an excuse to wear white dresses and pyjamas in public.
I just like to poke at religious people, usually they're not the brightest biskets.
The ideas are not their own, they (atheists) only stick to them because they've been exposed to those views so much, kinda like a cradle theist who was born into a religious family and never thought to question it.
Props to Great Britain and France for releasing their overseas mandates and territories in the middle of the Cold War, paving the way for all these dictatorships.I'd rather say they "realesed" their mandate, looked if the man taking power was more concerned by their interest or to those of its people. Then cut off his head (lumumba,sankara,etc) if it was the second case. So more like just putting dictatorship in their ex-colonies.
What I'm trying to say is, most people had some kind of contact with God and religion. They have different views and expectations. But I strongly believe that only mentally unstable people are true devotees to ideas projected by religious leaders. Which is rather scary, because there is a ton of them.
I usually strongly disagree with Obeyrn post but his first two post made lot of sense. There's clearly a big hypocrisy in Sunni muslim, cliaming to big one big brotherhood when it's about giving weapons but are no where to be found when it's about welcoming refugee, pointing out that is not being islamophob.
I'm not an atheist, I'm closer to deist or agnostic than anything, but I've already pointed that out repeatedly.
I don't think you realize the ammount of terrorist attacks that are stopped on a yearly basis, we only ever hear the ones that manage to set it in motion.
The moral of the story is 'be careful what you wish for' when you beg for independence and expect running a country to be easy.
No take-backsies
Wish we could've seen Scotland's attempt at running its own affairs, building an economy, feeding it's people (including the more remote isles), continuing to provide free university tuition, healthcare, providing pensions... Or failing to do all of the above. It'd suck to live next to a 3rd world country though... On the plus side it's fairly sparsely populated, the migrants jumping Hadrian's wall wouldnt have been an overwhelming number.
This is why I always donate a few bucks to the IRA every year :lol:
Do you really believe that?
By the way, even considering that it is obviously true Sunni Muslims are far more likely than basically anyone in western countries to participate in an attack, so are people without life insurance. And that has been used to find actual terrorists in bank records. The principle of asylum is supposedly that you have to shelter people that cannot go back to their country because it is too dangerous. I don't see how it's fair to accept and reject immigrants based on religion.
Ayy lmao
I quess the general fear is that muslims are much more likely to be intolerant than anyone. That our own lifestyles are forced to change to compensate for their lack of tolerance. Doubt its the terroristic attacks everybody fears, when it comes to middle-eastern immigrants. Its the fear of becoming Sweden. Where they straight up force their own people to shut up about anything that sounds even remotely bad about the subject.
I quess the general fear is that muslims are much more likely to be intolerant than anyone. That our own lifestyles are forced to change to compensate for their lack of tolerance. Doubt its the terroristic attacks everybody fears, when it comes to middle-eastern immigrants. Its the fear of becoming Sweden. Where they straight up force their own people to shut up about anything that sounds even remotely bad about the subject.
You sound exactly like KeshYour mother sounds like Kesh.
Back on topic with some news: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34073534
Allah is pleased http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5c4_1440672610
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-34061097
Dude sory but everytime I see you post something, the first thing that comes to my mind is this "Overdriven, the european who willingly converted to islam for a woman" :lol:
Dude sory but everytime I see you post something, the first thing that comes to my mind is this "Overdriven, the european who willingly converted to islam for a woman" :lol:
Oh stop Panos, being religious and truly believing it is an insult enough
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-34061097In immigrant, there's the notion of migration which implies something that's more on a populational level, while expat is more on the individual scale. As there are way fewer Europeans leaving their country than there is Africans leaving their country, the terms are quite appropriate imo.
Interesting as my wife always points out that when you are a westerner you are described as an 'expat' but when it's the other way round it's always immigrant or other terms.
Dude sory but everytime I see you post something, the first thing that comes to my mind is this "Overdriven, the european who willingly converted to islam for a woman" :lol:
never underestimate the power of the pussy
In immigrant, there's the notion of migration which implies something that's more on a populational level, while expat is more on the individual scale. As there are way fewer Europeans leaving their country than there is Africans leaving their country, the terms are quite appropriate imo.
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And motherfuckers don't even belong there, but if the same happens to motherland "HEY WANKERS THIS IS OUR LAND FUCKING APES GO BACK TO AFRICA". I prefer retarded american, much less hypocrite about immigrants
What, since when can expat and immigrant be used interchangeably? I thought the term clearly implied that an individual needs to be sent (expatriated) to a foreign country while being employed by a company in his own country.
And motherfuckers don't even belong there, but if the same happens to motherland "HEY WANKERS THIS IS OUR LAND FUCKING APES GO BACK TO AFRICA". I prefer retarded american, much less hypocrite about immigrants
"Australia's population has quadrupled since the end of World War I,[216] much of this increase from immigration. Following World War II and through to 2000, almost 5.9 million of the total population settled in the country as new immigrants, meaning that nearly two out of every seven Australians were born in another country.[217] Most immigrants are skilled,[218] but the immigration quota includes categories for family members and refugees.[218] By 2050, Australia's population is currently projected to reach around 42 million.[219] Nevertheless, its population density, 2.8 inhabitants per square kilometre, remains among the lowest in the world.[132] As such, Australians have more living space per person than the inhabitants of any other nation.[220]
In 2011, 24.6% of Australians were born elsewhere and 43.1% of people had at least one overseas-born parent;[221] the five largest immigrant groups were those from the United Kingdom, New Zealand, China, India, and Vietnam.[222] Following the abolition of the White Australia policy in 1973, numerous government initiatives have been established to encourage and promote racial harmony based on a policy of multiculturalism.[223] In 2005–06, more than 131,000 people emigrated to Australia, mainly from Asia and Oceania.[224] The migration target for 2012–13 is 190,000 *,[225] compared to 67,900 in 1998–99.[226]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia#Demographics
* Which is almost 1% of the population, in the 2011 census Australia had 21,507,717 people.
It seems to me that Australia tries to take in those who have more chances to integrate and contribute to the society. What's wrong with that? Moreover, the population of Australia is expected to almost double in 35 years.
Also, as Kafein pointed out, the soil and climate down there is quite shitty.
"By far the largest part of Australia is arid or semi-arid. A total of 18% of Australia's mainland consists of named deserts,[8] while additional areas are considered to have a desert climate based on low rainfall and high temperature. Only the south-east and south-west corners have a temperate climate and moderately fertile soil. The northern part of the country has a tropical climate: part is tropical rainforests, part grasslands, and part desert.
Rainfall is highly variable, with frequent droughts lasting several seasons thought to be caused in part by the El Niño-Southern Oscillation. Occasionally a dust storm will blanket a region or even several states and there are reports of the occasional large tornado. Rising levels of salinity and desertification in some areas is ravaging the landscape.
Australia's tropical/subtropical location and cold waters off the western coast make most of western Australia a hot desert with aridity, a marked feature of the greater part of the continent. These cold waters produce little moisture needed on the mainland."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Australia#Climate(click to show/hide)
But they have lots of roads to sleep on.(click to show/hide)
But they have lots of roads to sleep on.(click to show/hide)
dafuq?! :shock:(click to show/hide)
Be it the Nazi burning down refugee housings (Molly). Be it the uneducated low-life fuck who just personally failed in life, now blaiming immigrants (Panos). Be it the middle class hippie asshole suggesting that every free room in people's houses should be occupied by an immigrant (Prpavi). Be it the radical left turd, blaiming every single bank employee for African misery (?). Be it the one out of 30 immigrant demanding better conditions than a native welfare family.
One of my main questions is: If we help them out now, will they go back in a few years when the war is hopefully over or are they here to stay?
But back to European immigration problems. I understand the US caused this but I dont care. WE have cause just about every problem in the middle east. (Iran, Iraq, Israel, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan.) I am a irresponsible, indolent piece of shit. Why should i have to spend the little money I make on help some fucker who would probably hate me? I dont wnat them in my country, we already have enough problems. I not going to burden myself for one second over anyone else.
Oh, is that what we're doing? I seem perfectly aware of my own government's incompetence, and yet i still consider the US to be a retarded shitstain in the international field. I do not feel that this stance is possible within your detailed and accurate model whereby one side immediately becomes 'innocent' if you criticize the other.
But i forget, if you live in the US you're only accustomed to the world being black-and-white therefore if you can try and depict Europe as the 'baddies' that must make you the 'goodies' because that is the most complex vision of the world your mind can sustain. Inconceivable that you can have legitimate criticisms of both the US and 'Europe', if that's the case then which one of them are the 'goodies'!?!?!
The Europeans (Mainly France) and Russians (USSR) were by far the biggest suppliers of weaponry to the Middle East in the most volatile nations. Let's take a look at the countries Europeans have invested into.
Syria ( France/Russia ) - hell-hole
Egypt (UK ) - Somewhat stable hell-hole
Pakistan (UK) - hell-hole
Libya (Italy/ France) - hell-hole
Lebanon ( France) - hell-hole
Somalia ( Italy/ UK) - hell-hole
Iran (UK/France/Russia) - somewhat stable hell-hole.
Afghanistan (UK/ Russia) - hell-hole
If you look at the countries the US has invested in, Jordan, Israel, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait they are rich and prosperous. When we were investing into Saddam it was because he was using the trade and aid funds to modernize his country from a 3rd world nation with no literacy, education or jobs to a 1st world economy with high literacy and education. Those who think the US has some kind of nefarious agenda are idiots, just do some research on all the social, economic and industrial changes Saddam (before he thought he was Stalin) and the Shah of Iran implemented to modernize their countries with support and trade from the US. Of course the European media and agenda is to criticize the US to cover their own asses and look innocent. I mean we all know European indecisiveness and cowardice has reached all time record highs after ww2, but it got to the point where they can't even deal with a genocide going on in their own backyards 100's of miles from their own boarders (Kosovo) without the US holding their hands through the whole ordeal.
So, you really believe Europe alone screwed Middle East and US only brought stability? Oh my... This is one of the biggest examples of denial I have come across in a long while.
dafuq?! :shock:
“Think about Bill. If you died, would anyone care? Would they really care? Maybe they’d cry for a day, but let’s be honest. No one would give a shit. They wouldn’t. The few people who would feel obligated to go to your funeral would probably feel annoyed and leave as soon as possible. That’s who you are. That’s what you are. You’re nothing to anyone. To everyone. Think about it, Bill, cause if you do, if you let yourself. You know I’m telling you the truth, so instead of wasting anymore of my time, I need you to go call someone that matters. Because Bill, you don’t.”
You don't even have to be rude, like Oberyn.
An American lecturing on 'accountability' xD it's like taking weight-loss advice from a pigPigs eat pretty healthy.
An American lecturing on 'accountability' xD it's like taking weight-loss advice from a pig
The Europeans (Mainly France) and Russians (USSR) were by far the biggest suppliers of weaponry to the Middle East in the most volatile nations. Let's take a look at the countries Europeans have invested into.Egypt- rather alright even tho, it should be a way more powerfull country than what it is
Syria ( France/Russia ) - hell-hole
Egypt (UK ) - Somewhat stable hell-hole
Pakistan (UK) - hell-hole
Libya (Italy/ France) - hell-hole
Lebanon ( France) - hell-hole
Somalia ( Italy/ UK) - hell-hole
Iran (UK/France/Russia) - somewhat stable hell-hole.
Afghanistan (UK/ Russia) - hell-hole
If you look at the countries the US has invested in, Jordan, Israel, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait they are rich and prosperous. When we were investing into Saddam it was because he was using the trade and aid funds to modernize his country from a 3rd world nation with no literacy, education or jobs to a 1st world economy with high literacy and education. Those who think the US has some kind of nefarious agenda are idiots, just do some research on all the social, economic and industrial changes Saddam (before he thought he was Stalin) and the Shah of Iran implemented to modernize their countries with support and trade from the US. Of course the European media and agenda is to criticize the US to cover their own asses and look innocent. I mean we all know European indecisiveness and cowardice has reached all time record highs after ww2, but it got to the point where they can't even deal with a genocide going on in their own backyards 100's of miles from their own boarders (Kosovo) without the US holding their hands through the whole ordeal.
dafuq? :shock:(click to show/hide)
Must say I was having same reaction when I found out you are not 15 years old like Tore, but double that age.You found out, huh?
Bunch of the DKG dudes...
Heh, I didn't know for sure but it's pretty evident you are in your thirties.
Egypt- rather alright even tho, it should be a way more powerfull country than what it is
Lebanon ( France) - Democracy and rather stable for the explosive ethnic coctail it is
Iran (on its own) - stable
Israel, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, rich on the paper but fucking hell hole where I wouldn't live for all the money in the world. Libya, Syria and Irak didn't need any foreign support to reach high literacy, it was only a matter of will from the people in charge of those countries.
Pakistan (USA) - hell-hole
Afghanistan (USA) - hell-hole
Even tho, UK had invested in those countries years ago, USA is in recent years the biggest supplier for those country at a point where UK support becomes irrelevant.
I think the main difference between europeans and US citizens is that we are becoming more and more aware of the destabilizing influence of our politicians over 3rd world countries, when US citizens never learn from their past mistakes. So I will not deny the destabilizing influence of EU but I condemn it.
Oberyn's vocabulary and use of language makes it fantastic when it happens though. His mother language is French but he's better at writing English prose than any other visitor on this site I'm aware of.
An American lecturing on 'accountability' xD it's like taking weight-loss advice from a pig
Except that he is full of eloquent steaming horseshit for much of his rantings.
You guys going to give the Malvinas back or fight another war over them without American help next time?
Well, in practice EU influence is NATO influence, and NATO influence has been about using Saudi Arabia as "allies" and allowing them to spread their supremacist and violent theocratic political model to the rest of the sunni muslim world for decades (ostensibly as a counter to communist influence) not to mention all the dictatorships/military juntas that were encouraged to the same purpose. So it's not to do with colonialism so much as the immediate aftermath of decolonisation, the context being the Cold War. There's still a proxy cold war going on in important parts of the muslim world, it's just different participants, for different stakes and a different (very religious) context, and NATO is very much implicated. We haven't exactly had a moderating influence on the development of political systems in the muslim world since decolonisation, the opposite in fact, though there are exceptions.
This is of absolutely no relevance to the migrations crisis but I'd like to point out a couple things here.
First of all America did very little other than serve as an intermediary in negotiations during the Falklands conflict; at the time they said if it came to full scale war they would have supported the UK and I don't see how that would be any different today considering the UK is still a major player in NATO, is one of america's closest security allies (n.b. FVEY), and america are probably even less concerned about their reputation in southern america now than they were in the 1980's.
Secondly the only major power who has publicly supported Argentinian claims on sovereignty over the Falklands is China, but this is probably more to do with their claims on Taiwan and the south china sea where, if UN resolutions passed the Falkland isles to Argentina, China could push for further control over these disputed areas. An intervention by China in this conflict would undoubtedly result in NATO intervention and as such is unlikely to be directly forthcoming.
Furthermore a direct conflict between Argentina and Britain would likely end exactly as it did before considering the higher combat experience and superior equipment of British armed forces in comparison with Argentinian forces who are still underfunded and inexperienced. A quick look at the military budget of the two countries outlines the gross disparity in military power. Britain spends around $69 billion p.a. (roughly 2% of their GDP) while Argentina spends only $5 billion p.a. (around 0.7% of their GDP), on top of this Britain is still a nuclear power while Argentina is not.
The only likely case of Britain transferring sovereignty to Argentina would be if massive social pressure from either the Falkland residents, the British public or the wider international community (most important UN security council) insisted upon this, until then legacies of British imperialism across the globe will likely remain, disputed as they may be.
Destabilizing influence of the EU :D!!!!!! Yes preaching religious tolerance and encouraging secular governments is bad I hope you learned your lesson you insensitive racist.....
EU influence is much more than just NATO though, it includes aid, incentives, trade agreements etc. The problem throughout the cold war leading up to now is there were no other alternatives other than dealing directly with the leaders in power of these particular countries no matter how corrupt they were. In many cases trade agreements and aid were and still are filtered through corrupt and greedy governments leaving much of their populace in poverty.Most governement in sub-saharian africa can stand only thanks to foreign influence. Military intervention from France in Mali, Ivory coast, republique of centre-africa, Tchad and military presence in Gabon, Djibouti is not what I would consider encouraging secular governement.
Per the wiki:(click to show/hide)
The only likely case of Britain transferring sovereignty to Argentina would be if massive social pressure from either the Falkland residents, the British public or the wider international community (most important UN security council) insisted upon this, until then legacies of British imperialism across the globe will likely remain, disputed as they may be.
....Most governement in sub-saharian africa can stand only thanks to foreign influence. Military intervention from France in Mali, Ivory coast, republique of centre-africa, Tchad and military presence in Gabon, Djibouti is not what I would consider encouraging secular governement.
Yeah, the "prose" thing is a bit much, I just rant. I wouldn't say much horseshit but I'm biased.
And they held a referendum there that the Argentinian's conveniently decided to ignore as 'illegal'. Most residents are British there and as I understand it the islands were uninhabited before this. It seems to be more an issue of oil than anything else these days.
Yeah but the political support from the US. was of far greater significance than any materials and as I said before this hasn't changed. As the Wiki said the US. was only concerned if there was Global involvement, something which would be the same today. The material and financial disparity between Britain and Argentina means the situation is unlikely to change without international intervention.
There are far better sources of information than Wikipedia, try reading something academic on this. A good starting point is T. Paul 'Asymmetric conflict', the section Falklands may even be free an google books iirc.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/world/middleeast/sale-of-us-arms-fuels-the-wars-of-arab-states.html?_r=0
Once again, you think this means that i'm saying my country is a smart and accountable member of the international community? Lol
I'm not.
Merely saying that the US is a retarded one. If people *choose* to read that as me beating my chest in patriotic fervour then that's a product of their own overactive imaginations or poor reading comprehension.
No I think that you are saying that you consider the UK to be the wise old hand that the poor simpleton and completely at sea US should follow. It has been a while since the UK had responsibility for much beyond it's shores. I merely point out that your country, among others, does depend upon the retard, and not at times of your choosing.
Which countries do you consider to be smart and accountable members of the international community? Now mind you, these countries should actually have something to be accountable for and smart about. Hand wringing and tut tutting don't qualify.
This is a german Singer/Songwriter on YouTube, Maximnoise.
It takes alot of courage to do, what he did.
For everyone who understands german:
If not, just watch the Video from 1:15
Is the wiki I quoted factually wrong? If not, it is a valid source sufficient for the present discussion. Academia is not necessarily more valid or less biased.
Selling F-15's and F-35's to a country that executes people for practicing "magic tricks" and witchcraft in 2015 is a great idea. Surprisingly Women are allowed to fly them as well, they just have to be chauffeured to the airport because the Quran does not permit women driving automobiles.
Then that reflects extremely poorly on your ability to read and comprehend written English doesn't it? Considering i never said anything of the sort.
But sure, i'll play the 'misinterpret the other guys post to say something that I personally find easy to dispute' game.
I think you are saying that Charmander does not evolve into Charmeleon at level 16, and that you consider yourself to be a Pokemon Master. I have to say it's been a while since you have accurately portrayed the correct level at which *any* starter pokemon evolves on this forum, and certaintly never in this thread.
Which pokemon do you consider to evolve at level 16? Now mind you, these Pokemon need to be 3-stage evolutions that evolve at a designated level. Elemental stone or trade-evolution pokemon don't qualify. (become somehow if you cannot provide a pokemon that *does* fit the criteria that means that i'm right about Charmander?)
Now please tell me which countries that you consider to be smart and accountable members of the international community and why you think they are. I'm asking because you consider the US to be retarded in this respect so I want to know which countries you would contrast it to.Almost all of south america (Bolivia, Peru, Paraguay, Uruguay not always but often Brazil). Trying to create their own international organisation that would be less abusive to southern countries, not getting in the business of others, not having an aggressiv exterior politic, doing their own legislation without minding of western interest (welcoming western political refugee, respect of ethnic minorities, drug legislation, reduction of inequality), no weapons selling, etc.
ok i got a question:
i did read that a lot of people in munchen were welcoming refuges : is it general "munchen" feeling or not? what is the general attitude towards refugees there among common population?
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Ayy lmao
Dat sea-swimmin' toddler thread got deleted. And Kafein got permabanhammered for it.
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Ayy lmao
Dat sea-swimmin' toddler thread got deleted. And Kafein got permabanhammered for it.
You know what they do to thieving scum like you around these parts?
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Almost all of south america (Bolivia, Peru, Paraguay, Uruguay not always but often Brazil). Trying to create their own international organisation that would be less abusive to southern countries, not getting in the business of others, not having an aggressiv exterior politic, doing their own legislation without minding of western interest (welcoming western political refugee, respect of ethnic minorities, drug legislation, reduction of inequality), no weapons selling, etc.
In resume, they stick to their ideals and it works not like the "real-politic" excuse used by some europeans countries.
But if we have to stick to europeans countries, Sweden, Island, Czech republic, Germany are quite alright accountable members of the international community.
Bayern/München has always been an exeptional federal state in Germany.
Its different from the rest of Germany, life quality is overall a bit higher and people are better situated.
They have an own history and bayern is somehow the connection point between austria and germany.
Also, the party of Angela Merkel is officially called CDU (german) / CSU (bayern only) which strenghenes the importance of Bayern once more.
I guess the answer is anywhere in there, but I am not sure myelf what the exact reason is.
edit: I just guess the local government has enough resources left to help a lot of them without problems.
Ahaha, it is only now i understood what you meant!Look, buddy, I have no idea what you're talking about.
But I double slitheen you back:
I slitheen'ed before it was cool.
EDIT:
Now after I had time to smoke a joint and think about it, I would like to take time celebrating my victory in this never-announced battle a little more.
As you can see Xant, my slitheen are superior to your single, admittedly rather pathetic slitheen, both numerically and chronologically. Even if you unite your forces with Karasu, who has one elderly slitheen at his disposal:
... even then you will not be able to achieve victory, not only because I command 3 mighty slitheen lords in their biological prime, but also due to benefits of centralized leadership - i control my army with an iron fist as it's supreme general, while your gang is on the verge of internal conflict, having two rivaling chieftains struggling for dominance.
All resistance is futile.
Yeah, my bad... It was much bigger when i saved it :(
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Damn forum keeps shrinking it somehow, wtf.
Now it's not even worth it really, wasn't that funny anyway. Here is a link to a place where i stole it from ( not sure if derect-linking works from that page ):
http://x2.fjcdn.com/large/pictures/1a/8a/1a8a0d_5147733.jpg (http://x2.fjcdn.com/large/pictures/1a/8a/1a8a0d_5147733.jpg)
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Look, buddy, I have no idea what you're talking about.
When I called you thieving scum I was referring to this post of yours where you admit you are a thief and a stealer of things.
What is a "based" Poseidon?
"The poorest of the poor."
no audio but i swear they asked for Coke and Mac Donalds burgers (with chips preferably)
Mac Donalds burgers (with chips preferably)
Yeah, right. I will let you keep some of your dignity, and pretend it is as you say it is.thank you
Yea... fuck the context. Bad, bad brown people!
no audio but i swear they asked for Coke and Mac Donalds burgers (with chips preferably)
It's crazy when you see the old generation having the exact same outrageous issues that are unique to their generation, every generation likes to think their issues are brand new and unique and somehow more important. Like when you look at old threads and Leshma is saying 'Mod ded' in 2012.
Wonder if the Daily Mail is on a loop...
Savages. McDonalds is utter shit. They could as well eat plastic from junkyard. Burger King is marginally better choice. Burgerista is where you can get real beef and not soy based garbage. When will people learn that American produced/assembled stuff is nothing but garbage? Cars, food, beer, doesn't matter. It sux.
As opposed to poison laced baby and pet food from China? You are over generalizing. EU buys plenty of products and services from the US as does the rest of the world. Obviously that would not happen if it were all shit as you say.Only two options exist: American food and Chinese food.
Only two options exist: American food and Chinese food.
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He's still eating healthier food than you do. When you want to eat healthy, you need to overpay for organic vegetables and fruit. His shitty place doesn't have Apple Store nearby, but he's still able to buy proper food for his family. Sadly, Monsanto is coming to his place as well. With modified soy, meat and everything else that will give his children colon cancer after spending childhood at local McDonalds.
Dunno why you feel so good about yourself and believe you are in better position. You sold your soul to the devil for a bloody iPhone, Xbox One and 65 inch TV. Which is exactly the reason why your ass is so fucking wide, because you spend your whole day playing with those devices on your couch, while eating garbage.
Keep feeding those cows with modified corn bruh :wink:
He's still eating healthier food than you do. When you want to eat healthy, you need to overpay for organic vegetables and fruit. His shitty place doesn't have Apple Store nearby, but he's still able to buy proper food for his family. Sadly, Monsanto is coming to his place as well. With modified soy, meat and everything else that will give his children colon cancer after spending childhood at local McDonalds.
Dunno why you feel so good about yourself and believe you are in better position. You sold your soul to the devil for a bloody iPhone, Xbox One and 65 inch TV. Which is exactly the reason why your ass is so fucking wide, because you spend your whole day playing with those devices on your couch, while eating garbage.
Keep feeding those cows with modified corn bruh :wink:
does RT news spoon feed you your information or do they administer it up the butt?
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2 hot american chicks(click to show/hide)
you are all now future grandparents of brown people, deal with dat :o
2 hot american chicks
He's still eating healthier food than you do. When you want to eat healthy, you need to overpay for organic vegetables and fruit. His shitty place doesn't have Apple Store nearby, but he's still able to buy proper food for his family. Sadly, Monsanto is coming to his place as well. With modified soy, meat and everything else that will give his children colon cancer after spending childhood at local McDonalds.
Dunno why you feel so good about yourself and believe you are in better position. You sold your soul to the devil for a bloody iPhone, Xbox One and 65 inch TV. Which is exactly the reason why your ass is so fucking wide, because you spend your whole day playing with those devices on your couch, while eating garbage.
Keep feeding those cows with modified corn bruh :wink:
I don't know what to think about all this mess up.Same.
It's ridiculous how Europeans let themselves be used as a door mat, media truly has done its work well. America is our only hope now.
These people that act like animals are going to be really fun to be around for women. And Heskey said before that it's fine when "Finns rape women" but guess who's over-represented in the statistics, Finns or immigrants? Guess who women say are harassing them?
It's ridiculous how Europeans let themselves be used as a door mat, media truly has done its work well. America is our only hope now.
These people that act like animals are going to be really fun to be around for women. And Heskey said before that it's fine when "Finns rape women" but guess who's over-represented in the statistics, Finns or immigrants? Guess who women say are harassing them?
What I'd do is accept women and children (in limited amounts -- it still makes no sense to spend a ton of money on immigrants when your own populace needs stuff too) and send the men back.
But I'm sure you've seen the footage of that man and his family on the tracks in Hungary, how can you separate a father from his wife and children and expect them to accept it. If the roles were reversed and you were in their position would you be happy leaving your family in a foreign land where they likely speak almost none of the native language while you returned to your own country with absolutely no guarantee of ever seeing them again, I imagine you would be as distraught and angry as so many of these people are when they are separated from the people they love. It is very easy to make calculated decisions if you remove the human element from the discussion and view these people as simply a problem, but they are people just like you or I, sure maybe they have different beliefs of education but they still have all the human feelings that are universal. It's incredibly difficult to justify separating families especially when that may be all that person has left in the world. I do believe that young, fit and able bodied men should not simply be allowed to move to Europe and live off of refugee support, but that they should be trained and educated and organised into a useful force, military or otherwise, which can return to their homelands to restore order onto them; this should be a condition for seeking asylum anywhere in Europe for such individuals.Life isn't fair and Europe owes nothing to none of these people. You don't have to expect them to accept it. They'd just have to accept it, the end. If the roles were reversed and the options were to either have them with me in a war-torn country that hasn't even heard of civilization, or having them go to Europe without me, I'd be happy as fuck if the latter was possible. Is that an ideal scenario? Maybe not, but this isn't an ideal world we live in. I can't have a Ferrari and a personal jet just because I'd rather travel by plane than by train.
It's ridiculous how Europeans let themselves be used as a door mat, media truly has done its work well. America is our only hope now.
These people that act like animals are going to be really fun to be around for women. And Heskey said before that it's fine when "Finns rape women" but guess who's over-represented in the statistics, Finns or immigrants? Guess who women say are harassing them?
Germany is a very powerful nation and has the capacity to deal with the entire crisis by itself if need be,
Germany got it under control. Before Hitlér died he actually did create a secret moon base where all ''qualified'' Germans go to.: :mrgreen:
#LebensraumOnMoon
And in 5 decades when we're all old men we'll be really disappointed that the world as we know it didnt crash and burn like all the papers promised.
Who am i kidding? In 5 decades the top news story on every front page will still be 'Immigrants! Everything is going to shit!', or, 'Remember how good things used to be in the early 2000's, whereas now we have all these immigrants everywhere!'
I'd be impressed if anyone manages to survive 50 years in a constant state of fury as they devour every single piece of sensationalistic journalism that depicts each ongoing crisis as some apocalyptic scenario. Surely such a person would burst a vein in their forehead somewhere being outraged non-stop all the time.
The internet is currently flooded with conspiracy theorists and endtime theorists, fapping furiously to all the material they´re getting atm
I know that this is some serious shit here now, but I just fucking hate it how most of the people go like this(click to show/hide)
Because being appelled and yelling bullshit is everything low life humen can do. Makes me sick.
In 50 years it will be muslim inhabitants of Europe complaining about the influx of non-believers into their Europe.
I just wonder what Germany and the whole Europe will do, if in next decade not 800 k or even 3 mln, but 10 or 30 mln of refugees come to Europe. They will take them all?
Except that's not going to happen.
The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) predicts 10.25 million Syrians will need aid by the end of 2014
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It's funny because the media is reporting that these are "refugees" and "escaping their war-torn country", when in reality a lot of them are just coming over because it's a great opportunity to suck on the European teat.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/migrant-wave-inspires-others-to-attempt-trek-to-europe-1441668591
to be honest i don't think i'd ever leave a place like this after my stay:(click to show/hide)
They simply don`t care about anything rather than themselves.
I happen to pass from Athens town center everyday to go to work, and most of the refugees I see are men aged from 12 to 60, there are families of course with many children, but they are a minority .
In a Greek island, Chios, there are 13.000 immigrants, mostly Afghans, which arent refugees but alien immigrants, and most of them lone males aging between 15-55.
I don`t know about you guys, but if my country was being attacked, and I DIDN`T have any children, I would prefer to stay and fight back rather than run like a coward, what the syrians are expecting from Europe, to fight their war?
And before a retard starts calling me names, I personally believe that Greece should support both the Kurds and the Syrians, since we share a commong rival, Turkey.
Sadly we can`t help ourselves, let alone others.
Recapture Constantinople and reform Byzantine Empire.
The only things this thread lacked were Panos with his kebab removal propaganda and Berenger with his "recapture and reform" bullshit. I hereby dub it complete.
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The only things this thread lacked were Panos with his kebab removal propaganda
The attack came two days after 16 Turkish soldiers were killed in a twin roadside bomb attack in Daglica in the southeastern region of Hakkari, according to the army, the deadliest strike in the current phase of the conflict.
I deny none of it, but you are entirely focused on Turkland as usual. And do you really believe there is no suffering over here? Go back and read my previous post in this thread.
The secular population of Turkey never wanted any of the neo-Ottoman shenanigans. We never wanted the land of those people to be demolished. Hell we never wanted those IS goatfuckers to be covertly walking our streets. It all happened because a large herd of sheep has been electing an insane dictator in extremely controversial elections under extremely controversial circumstances.
You keep dropping the blame on Turks. Let me tell you something. The people you are supposed to blame are fucking sheep. They have nothing to do with anything related to nationality or humanity.
It's known that IS-fighters are among the "refugees" coming to europe. And, seriously, why not? There is no easier way to get them into Europe really.
And here in Germany you have dimwits applauding and cheering for them when they arrive...
When I say Turkey, I don`t mean the average Turk, but the Turkish government, and lets face it, the only country that has gained something from this war is Turkey.
It's known that IS-fighters are among the "refugees" coming to europe. And, seriously, why not? There is no easier way to get them into Europe really.
And here in Germany you have dimwits applauding and cheering for them when they arrive...
Which is what politicians and the industry want, otherwise they wouldn't let it happen. Skilled workers that go through the actual immigration process are not coming to Germany anymore or they're a small minority. There are much better countries to immigrate to like the nordic countries.
Terrorists are the least that the Germans should be afraid of, biggest near future problem will be the drop on wages.
Wait and you`ll see..
Which is what politicians and the industry want, otherwise they wouldn't let it happen. Skilled workers that go through the actual immigration process are not coming to Germany anymore or they're a small minority. There are much better countries to immigrate to like the nordic countries.
dimwits applauding and cheering for them when they arrive...
All those mentally retarded do-gooders
It's good to see both side of the coin.
Hungary is treating us badly, we want to come back to Serbia.
Hungary is treating us badly, we want to come back to Serbia.
Hungary is treating us badly, we want to come back to Serbia.
Yeah, lets accuse and make the guys who care about their country look bad and dumb, RIGHT? Then we are cool!
Lets bend over aswell.
Yeah, lets accuse and make the guys who care about their country look bad and dumb, RIGHT? Then we are cool!
It will be already a million in Germany by the end of 2015, and the influx won't stop. So it's a likely chance that in a few years there will be 1 refugee with right of residence per 8, or even 6-7 Germans.
Yeah, lets accuse and make the guys who care about their country look bad and dumb, RIGHT?
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All those mentally retarded do-gooders will be the first ones crying when shit hits the fan.
It's not the question if, but only when.
Also I'm laughing hard at people here saying it won't be millions. It will be already a million in Germany by the end of 2015, and the influx won't stop. So it's a likely chance that in a few years there will be 1 refugee with right of residence per 8, or even 6-7 Germans.
I'm wondering how long there's still money, so far they planned 8 billions, and that is, all from tax revenues.
What happens when next year there won't be a good positive amount of inland revenues? Oh yeah right, they already said it, they will make new debts to finance all the asylum seekers. Really, a great perspective.
All while 3 million Germans are without job, and several millions are already working at 2 or more mini-jobs to feed their families.
I personally know several people with good education who have no job or have to switch jobs every other month due to temporary employment. Really. A bright future is ahead. All while you can't say one critical word about anything without being denuciated as racist, facist or xenophobic. It would be totally funny if it woulnd't be so paradoxic and sad.
Political correctness and the greed of a few will destroy europe, that's for sure.
[citation needed]
Grade A national-populist as always, Warlord. Sorry, I'm not afraid yet. You know what? I have no reason to. I'm not a lazy bum. I don't rely on what's written on my ID card to make a living. What if your job gets taken by brown people? Why should you even care? It's not "your" job it's a job. If someone else does it better they deserve to get it. Move your ass and stop whining. The only thing you're complaining about is your own mediocrity.
People who deeply care about their tribal identity are dumb by definition. There's no need to make it look like it.
CNN goes full retard
the fuck is this one talking about? they are merely escorting them, the police can't even touch them until a change of rules that might happen next week, september 15.
[citation needed]Right on.
Grade A national-populist as always, Warlord. Sorry, I'm not afraid yet. You know what? I have no reason to. I'm not a lazy bum. I don't rely on what's written on my ID card to make a living. What if your job gets taken by brown people? Why should you even care? It's not "your" job it's a job. If someone else does it better they deserve to get it. Move your ass and stop whining. The only thing you're complaining about is your own mediocrity.
People who deeply care about their tribal identity are dumb by definition. There's no need to make it look like it.
Die wohlfeilste Art des Stolzes hingegen ist der Nationalstolz. Denn er verrät in dem damit Behafteten den Mangel an individuellen Eigenschaften, auf die er stolz sein könnte, indem er sonst nicht zu dem greifen würde, was er mit so vielen Millionen teilt. Wer bedeutende persönliche Vorzüge besitzt, wird vielmehr die Fehler seiner eigenen Nation, da er sie beständig vor Augen hat, am deutlichsten erkennen. Aber jeder erbärmliche Tropf, der nichts in der Welt hat, darauf er stolz sein könnte, ergreift das letzte Mittel, auf die Nation, der er gerade angehört, stolz zu sein. Hieran erholt er sich und ist nun dankbarlich bereit, alle Fehler und Torheiten, die ihr eigen sind, mit Händen und Füßen zu verteidigen.
The dumbest kind of pride is the national-pride. It suggests the lack of individual qualities on the befallen which he can be proud of because otherwise he wouldn't share this pride with millions of others. He who owns real personal qualities will recognize the faults of his nation instead because he has them in front of his eyes all the time. But every low life idiot who has nothing else to be proud of in his life will grab the last straw and be proud of his nation he belongs to. Here he recuperates and is now thankful to defend all the nations faults and absurdities with hands and feet.
They are afraid the Hungarians will sell them to the gypsies :lol:
No need, the gypsies themselves are taking advantage of the situation.
Yeah, human trafficking is on the rise, they ask for 200-600 euro for a trip to Budapest.
But I have heard of many frauds who drive them around in circles, then drop them out in the same area, or the story where they left the migrants inside a broken-down truck while they went for a 'pack of cigarettes.'
This whole situation brings out the most disgusting of people.
No need, the gypsies themselves are taking advantage of the situation.
Yeah, human trafficking is on the rise, they ask for 200-600 euro for a trip to Budapest.
But I have heard of many frauds who drive them around in circles, then drop them out in the same area, or the story where they left the migrants inside a broken-down truck while they went for a 'pack of cigarettes.'
This whole situation brings out the most disgusting of people.
so the story my great grandmother from Europe told me is true? if I don't behave she will sell me to the gypsies? :oops:
Grade A national-populist as always, Warlord. Sorry, I'm not afraid yet. You know what? I have no reason to. I'm not a lazy bum. I don't rely on what's written on my ID card to make a living. What if your job gets taken by brown people? Why should you even care? It's not "your" job it's a job. If someone else does it better they deserve to get it. Move your ass and stop whining. The only thing you're complaining about is your own mediocrity.
Bravo Kafein, no arguments, only some nonsense argumentum ad hominem plus the mandatory denunciation. Obviously that's the only thing fanatical left-wingers can bring.
I don't care about any "tribal identity" at all, I care about the society I (have to) live in. There is no refugee going to take my job. I was talking about the insanity of paying billions of Euros for people that don't even are allowed to work for many months or even years while millions of the native inhabitants of your country already are unemployed or on low-wage jobs, because there simply are no jobs, or at least not enough good-payed jobs that bring enough money to feed a family.
Where is the use in doing so? Also my life is quite mediocre, maybe, but I got everything I need and I am quite happy as it is.
I don't know what my personal life has to do with anything or the view I have about the world, because it has no influence on it. If my personal life would dictate my view on the world or society I live in, I would be a happy sheep in a state of trance like the majority of europeans still are. But time will change the view many got today, no doubt in that.
I'm out, going to reading only mode again, as it's pretty senseless to talk to people who only bring insults, denuciation and no facts about the real world at all :arrow:
P.S: Molly, pls don't disappoint me, still waiting for those downvotes :D
NA?
There is a simple reason why I think that Warlord is a stupid racist fucktard:
Go back in his posting history: He always blames immigrants and the brown people. I stopped actually reading his posts quite a while due to the simple thing that he barely ever blames politics and those who "do" it. "They" come in masses. "They" cost money. "They" get money others might need as well. "They" have a religion that is dubious at best.
That's his way of thinking. So, yea, in my book he's a racist covering himself with "only" national pride and worry about society.
Best thing in his last one - made me actually laugh - "there are no jobs!"
lmao
Yea, in an highly industrial country like Germany, it's a bad sign for the job market if you barely manage to read and write. There are plenty jobs if you're actually willing to work. But nope, quite a lot are just too entitled to do actual hard labour or do jobs where you might get some dirt under your fingernails.
Just shows how far he's actually away from reality. Well, easier to repeat some shit from highly questionable sites than actually reading up on things and take the time to check statistics.
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Grade A national-populist as always, Warlord. Sorry, I'm not afraid yet. You know what? I have no reason to. I'm not a lazy bum. I don't rely on what's written on my ID card to make a living. What if your job gets taken by brown people? Why should you even care? It's not "your" job it's a job. If someone else does it better they deserve to get it. Move your ass and stop whining. The only thing you're complaining about is your own mediocrity.
People who deeply care about their tribal identity are dumb by definition. There's no need to make it look like it.
There is a simple reason why I think that Warlord is a stupid racist fucktard:
Go back in his posting history: He always blames immigrants and the brown people. I stopped actually reading his posts quite a while due to the simple thing that he barely ever blames politics and those who "do" it. "They" come in masses. "They" cost money. "They" get money others might need as well. "They" have a religion that is dubious at best.
That's his way of thinking. So, yea, in my book he's a racist covering himself with "only" national pride and worry about society.
Best thing in his last one - made me actually laugh - "there are no jobs!"
lmao
Yea, in an highly industrial country like Germany, it's a bad sign for the job market if you barely manage to read and write. There are plenty jobs if you're actually willing to work. But nope, quite a lot are just too entitled to do actual hard labour or do jobs where you might get some dirt under your fingernails.
Just shows how far he's actually away from reality. Well, easier to repeat some shit from highly questionable sites than actually reading up on things and take the time to check statistics.
North America ( Canada and the United States). Our friendly maple syrup loving neighbors to the north surprisingly have a much stronger economy than all of Russia for only having a relatively small fraction of their population (Canada's 690 billion revenue compared to Russia's 416 billion) . With the global economy linking NA, EU and China together, the EU is potentially vulnerable to future economic crisis because they do not have cheap labor to fall back on like China and the US does.On the opposite EU can fall back on its feet if a major crisis happen. Our labor is not cheap because we have work right, we don't work for nothing while our boss takes all the company money. And because we are higly qualified. So most of the people have some savings and live a decent life. While people in US are under debt and like the rest of the world have poor life condition.
It would cost a fraction of what is to come by taking out ISIS and rebuilding Syria, but that wouldn't fit in the communist EU agenda. The UK has a hard enough time convincing themselves taking out "UK" citizens who are fighting for ISIS is the right thing to do.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34181475
It's not racist to want peace and prosperity, it's natural. There is a difference between committing cultural suicide and helping those truly in need, and Germany is forcing this burden upon Europe without any kind of debate while "refugees" wearing dolce gabbana and toting iphone 6's trash every country on their way there.Yop unlike what you thought every middle-east country is not a complete shit-hole. People in Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, etc lived in midly decent condition and had access to technology before the so-callled "arab-spring". But what is the use of an iphone 6 to defend your life against an army of allah-snackbar.
There is nothing you should be afraid of, NOTHING to be afraid of, apart from the fact that your country had had 3 terrorist attacks and 1 that failed, in less than 6 months.
But hey, as long as the the victims arent you or a member of your family, they can go fuck themselves, it doesnt even matter that they were your own god damn country men that were killed by ungrateful goat fucking cunts who were BORN, EDUCATED AND LIVED THEIR SHITTY LIVES IN FRANCE!
Concerning the various 'terror laws' and 'droning' without trial, it may be worth remembering that the right to a fair trial is a basic principle of the Magna Carta, the chief embodiment of English common law, which also US law builds upon, and which was once a guiding principle to distinguish a country respecting the rule of law from a dictatorship.
It also happens to be an essential human right under international law, and a cornerstone in the separation of powers model our parliamentary systems are based on.
Panos you really want to immigrate to germoney? what ybout you stay where you are and we give the place to someone that needs it.
I think immigrants from greece only take our few universityplaces and we poor germans have to go hungry because we cant study anymore.
and those greek immigrants eat to much garlic. the whole puplic transportation will smell and in a few years everybody has to eat olives. I don't like olives. You greek economic refugies have to stay at home.
Belgium got terrorist attacks? Must have missed that one on the news.
Frankly I am not surprised some of you are afraid of other people moving to your countries, they might show you up by being the better person and prove themselves to have more value than you do to society. When that comes to pass they will rightly take your homes and jobs and you will be cast into their position, homeless, penniless and helpless, as this is all some of you deserve.
The joke's on them when they try and leave again though, you've already glued all the doors shut!
Then give them lots of salty snacks free of charge, but make sure that the only water available to them is like £5 per bottle, wuuuuuuuuuuuuut? But they cant leave so they have to sell their own mother to buy your water, OMG the profits! You've made yourself a killing! (and those who cannot pay really will die a slow and salty death).
I learnt that trick from Theme Park, you're welcome Europe. Put me in charge, i have a few financial tricks left up my sleeve that even Theme Park doesnt know about.
Belgium got terrorist attacks? Must have missed that one on the news. Frankly I am not surprised some of you are afraid of other people moving to your countries, they might show you up by being the better person and prove themselves to have more value than you do to society. When that comes to pass they will rightly take your homes and jobs and you will be cast into their position, homeless, penniless and helpless, as this is all some of you deserve.Uhm muslim attack on a jewish museum last year, killed one guard as I remember.
Concerning the various 'terror laws' and 'droning' without trial, it may be worth remembering that the right to a fair trial is a basic principle of the Magna Carta, the chief embodiment of English common law, which also US law builds upon, and which was once a guiding principle to distinguish a country respecting the rule of law from a dictatorship.
It also happens to be an essential human right under international law, and a cornerstone in the separation of powers model our parliamentary systems are based on.
Right on.
The Philosopher Schopenhauer: (quote)
Loose translation:
tl;dr: Birth location is no achievement and being proud of it is stupid.
There is a simple reason why I think that Warlord is a stupid racist fucktard:
Go back in his posting history: He always blames immigrants and the brown people. I stopped actually reading his posts quite a while due to the simple thing that he barely ever blames politics and those who "do" it. "They" come in masses. "They" cost money. "They" get money others might need as well. "They" have a religion that is dubious at best.
That's his way of thinking. So, yea, in my book he's a racist covering himself with "only" national pride and worry about society.
Best thing in his last one - made me actually laugh - "there are no jobs!"
lmao
Yea, in an highly industrial country like Germany, it's a bad sign for the job market if you barely manage to read and write. There are plenty jobs if you're actually willing to work. But nope, quite a lot are just too entitled to do actual hard labour or do jobs where you might get some dirt under your fingernails.
Just shows how far he's actually away from reality. Well, easier to repeat some shit from highly questionable sites than actually reading up on things and take the time to check statistics.
Having a refugee policy is a totally different thing than allowing everyone to get inside your country.Germany has one. Not necessarily a good one but there is one.
in germany everybody who wants to work can work....
... The 2,5 mio unemployed retards can't work.
we need, gib gib..Brilliant comment.
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Yea... fuck the context. Bad, bad brown people!
Germany has one. Not necessarily a good one but there is one.If that was actually the case there wouldn't be a problem. But most of them will try to stay here for years or even forever, no matter if they're legit refugees or just illegal immigrants. A lot of the people who are told to leave the country just stay here for years and years, which is also a reason why so many move to germany knowing they have no valid reason to stay here.
Balkans? Every single one is going back home.
Syrians? They can all stay since "war".
Africans? Checked more thorough to pin point where they are from.
Safe countries, they call it. You're coming from there, you're send back home.
And a fun fact for all those "we're overrun"-people:
Germany took 1 million Bosnian refugees in during the 90's. 90% of them went back home or to a different country when the war was over.
They are not necessarily here to stay.
If that was actually the case there wouldn't be a problem. But most of them will try to stay here for years or even forever, no matter if they're legit refugees or just illegal immigrants. A lot of the people who are told to leave the country just stay here for years and years, which is also a reason why so many move to germany knowing they have no valid reason to stay here.That's the reason why daily a plane with former immigrants lands in Serbia?
We're missing an elegant solution here, why not just make the country shit for *all* the residents? Then refugees wont want to move there, they'll go to a nice country instead.Bavaria built a special encampment for people from the Balkans. And their planing on changing the "handout money" into "physical things they need". Basically, they don't get money any more to buy soap. They get soap. Nullifying the reason to come here - so the idea.
At least when Greeks migrate to other countries go by the books, because we respect the country that has us.
I feel very insulted that you compared the Greek civilized immigrants to the allahu fuckbars.
Problem with the Balkans is - so I read in an article - that the living conditions become worse with every generation. The grandparents got along pretty well, the parents were already struggling but now the kids are living in ruins and dumps. (exaggerated a bit)
(a lot actually)Not specifically talking about Serbia - which I believe is your home - but all countries.
It just isn't full of centuries old buildings which are being renovated every six months to keep them from natural collapse. I've been staying in 200 something year old building in center of Wien, which had no elevator or air conditioning just because they want to preserve historical value. Also apartments are like two rooms, one tiny where you can place bed and closet and nothing else. One huge which is living room, with massive bathroom and big hallway. Not just that, there is external hallway as wall which serves no fucking purpose. Wien is stacked with such buildings, one after another. Three floors each, no balconies. Because of that, city with approx. 2.5 million souls living in it, occupies much bigger area than it should. People must travel with subway because every other form of transport is taking too much time due to city area being massive for no good reason.
If that is your idea of good living conditions then I don't know what to say really. For me it is a massive waste of space, just because they want to preserve history of the city.
Bravo Kafein, no arguments, only some nonsense argumentum ad hominem plus the mandatory denunciation.
Obviously that's the only thing fanatical left-wingers can bring.
I don't care about any "tribal identity" at all, I care about the society I (have to) live in.
There is no refugee going to take my job.
I was talking about the insanity of paying billions of Euros for people that don't even are allowed to work for many months or even years while millions of the native inhabitants of your country already are unemployed or on low-wage jobs, because there simply are no jobs, or at least not enough good-payed jobs that bring enough money to feed a family.
Where is the use in doing so?
Also my life is quite mediocre, maybe, but I got everything I need and I am quite happy as it is.
I don't know what my personal life has to do with anything or the view I have about the world, because it has no influence on it.
If my personal life would dictate my view on the world or society I live in, I would be a happy sheep in a state of trance like the majority of europeans still are. But time will change the view many got today, no doubt in that.
I'm out, going to reading only mode again, as it's pretty senseless to talk to people who only bring insults, denuciation and no facts about the real world at all :arrow:
P.S: Molly, pls don't disappoint me, still waiting for those downvotes :D
And about those old houses. My home city has a lot of them too and they are one of the most expensive ones to live in.
Lots of people here enjoy the old fronts and the different room "design" compared to modern flats.
You look at it the wrong way actually. It ain't a waste of space - it is luxury to be able to keep them around.
There is nothing you should be afraid of, NOTHING to be afraid of, apart from the fact that your country had had 3 terrorist attacks and 1 that failed, in less than 6 months.
But hey, as long as the the victims arent you or a member of your family, they can go fuck themselves, it doesnt even matter that they were your own god damn country men that were killed by ungrateful goat fucking cunts who were BORN, EDUCATED AND LIVED THEIR SHITTY LIVES IN FRANCE!
You`re perfectly fine and safe, I hope that you will sleep well tonight!!!
P.S - It doesnt matter if you`re good at what you`re doing, because knowledge and how to do a job can be taught, so the bosses will gain profit if they fire the native worker and hire an immigrant, because in the long run the immigrant will be cheaper and will do the same job as the native
, but I`m amazed dude, a guy like you with such leftie feeling ought to know what the Manifest says about immigrants and how they are the weapon of the rich against the proletariat :wink:
ok one good video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlEOr...or.. or ... I know this solution might shock some people... You establish a minimum wage (the best imo and the one we do in Switzerland, decided in an agreement between syndicate and boss, different for each sector), so there's no wage cutting. Plus if a boss has to pay the same a local or a foreigner, he will often choose the local because he has more contact and is generally more skilled. And if really for whatever reason, local can find no job, you just pass a law that oblige to favor locals over immigrants. Simple as that.
in any case what i think:
- poor immigrants coming to the country serve the most the immigrants themselves and then the rich ones (immigrants are able to work for less - cutting wages, rich getting richer)
- eu can't do jack shit since it doesn't even have a common army (a thing that should be resolved decade ago)
- if immigrants get good wages in countries they move to they are able to elevate their home country (by sending money back to their relatives that can use them to improve their business, living standart etc. - but it can't really help to much and everyone)
- the wealth distribution where 0.1percent of usa richest has more than 90 percent on the bottom won't work in a long run - some people got to greedy and they will be hanging from chandeliers one day for that and i will gladly go to fetch them a rope
- nothing close to solution will happen, war and revolutions will solve it
These women even can't imagine that someone can say something so different than official point of view of Brussels and what's more it might be truth.
These women even can't imagine that someone can say something so different than official point of view of Brussels and what's more it might be truth.
Okay so what's you're really on about is that refugees fleeing ISIS are Islamic terrorists? Just say yes or no, that's Golden Dawn.Missed opportunity right there.
The Polish fought back extremist Islam before, and saved europa!
In Poland we believe!
Thank you polish peeps, you're always welcome in my house. Just dont take my wife or steal my stuff tyvm. And no, my car is not for sale! :P
Not even slightly surprised. After all they are funding ISIS and responsible for all this mess. If European Union had balls it would arm soldiers, but not to force migrants away. Those soldiers would go to a next crusade, to Kuwait, Quatar, UAE, Saudi Arabia. To do what? To conquer and take oil for ourselves. And show middle finger to Americans in the process. That is what strong country like Europe should do.
Syria: Initially the US and UK armed moderate rebels in Syria who wanted a democratic and fair government. This was done mostly to protect civilians after there was an international outcry that the Syrian government was attacking their own unarmed civilians. As the war dragged on they found themselves losing because they were fighting both Assad and ISIS at the same time and some of them ended up giving up their original goals and aligning with ISIS, this is where the lie that the west funds ISIS comes from.Omg dat shit in ur head i can even smell it! :o
Okay so what's you're really on about is that refugees fleeing ISIS are Islamic terrorists? Just say yes or no, that's golden.
Actually after the Roman invasion, most Useful greeks were taken as slaves. And after the Ottomans there really isn't any greeks left. We've been over this countless of times.
"Extremism and xenophobia leading to loosing my civil rights"
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Omg dat shit in ur head i can even smell it! :o
I understand the Russian point of view is to support the ruthless dictator because it will retain stability,
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If they want a stability there, they should support Kurds and YPG, not Asad.
It would be wise to save the results of old poll somewhere :wink:
Syria: Initially the US and UK armed moderate rebels in Syria who wanted a democratic and fair government. This was done mostly to protect civilians after there was an international outcry that the Syrian government was attacking their own unarmed civilians. As the war dragged on they found themselves losing because they were fighting both Assad and ISIS at the same time and some of them ended up giving up their original goals and aligning with ISIS, this is where the lie that the west funds ISIS comes from.Either US was arming jihadist on purpose or US is plain stupid (my take is both). How much will it take for you to realise that there's no friendly jihadist?!? They are all a bunch of asshole! Don't act all suprise everytime the one you armed and supported turns out to be a crazy allah-snackbar, when they were from the start. Maybe you, gryviken, are too stupid and blind to realise it. But US governement was well aware of it when they sent arms to "rebels", but what mattered at that time is that Assad was a friend of Iran and Russia, and the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Stability will come only after all the countries will have their natural (ethnical/religional) borders (not those drawn by some drunken british idiot)
This will come only after decades of merciless slaughter that is just starting - we went through this already (in Europe) and it gave birth to another nation - Amuricans (Native Indians still appreciate this period).
Fuck Assad, half of the country was fighting against him. There is no way these people will come back if Assad wins. The way he reacted to the initial protests (beating, shooting into people) started this whole shit in Syria. Well it would take Gandhi to solve/calm down the situation, but Assad fucked up big time.
Kurds deserve their nation, they will get it sooner or later as they fight for it. But then we got the Turks and another slaughter (they're proficient in this, Armenians could tell some stories...).
The more I read and think about all this the more I think I will have to move into Canada or Australia :)
If they want a stability there, they should support Kurds and YPG, not Asad.
It would be wise to save the results of old poll somewhere :wink:
Kurds only want Kurdistan. Not whole of Syria or whole of Iraq.
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Either US was arming jihadist on purpose or US is plain stupid (my take is both). How much will it take for you to realise that there's no friendly jihadist?!? They are all a bunch of asshole! Don't act all suprise everytime the one you armed and supported turns out to be a crazy allah-snackbar, when they were from the start. Maybe you, gryviken, are too stupid and blind to realise it. But US governement was well aware of it when they sent arms to "rebels", but what mattered at that time is that Assad was a friend of Iran and Russia, and the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Europe isn't a country, foolish boy.
Either US was arming jihadist on purpose or US is plain stupid (my take is both). How much will it take for you to realise that there's no friendly jihadist?!? They are all a bunch of asshole! Don't act all suprise everytime the one you armed and supported turns out to be a crazy allah-snackbar, when they were from the start. Maybe you, gryviken, are too stupid and blind to realise it. But US governement was well aware of it when they sent arms to "rebels", but what mattered at that time is that Assad was a friend of Iran and Russia, and the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Is Russia going to offer asylum to Syrian refugees or are all of it's resources being exhausted attacking farmers in Ukraine?poor kid :o
If the intention was to take out Assad to spite the Russians this would have been over very quickly and a long time ago.Well, that's what they tought...Seems he's more resilient than the US tought. And the political situation in US, makes the president unable to actually launch an attack on the ground to get the job done, he can only fight by proxy where no US citizen life is at risk.
If we are gonna go conspiracy theorist route, all these recent events could be seen as USA trying to destabilize EU. Russia is not a threat to USA, from economic point of view, neither is China because they highly depend on selling their crap to USA. EU however, not only have bigger economy, it is also mostly independent from USA. They cease to exist, only fear EU will have is Russian military potential, but not their economy.I don't want people to embrace tovi's theory but come on...
Simply put, EU is better than USA. Smarter, hard working people. Bigger economy. They have every right to fear strong EU. Also we are simply better at mod called cRPG.
Really?
People still believe that Assad is the true bad guy?
Sure, he has made mistakes, but come on, you` dont have to be a prodigy to understand that Turkey and USA wanted Assad out of the picture because he was a pain on their ass, and thats why Putin have shown his support to Assad.
Do I need to remind you that in the start of the civil war of 2011 in Syria, plenty of the so called "Free Syrian Army" who defected into TURKISH TERRITORY, were actual paramilitary Turks with roots from the Grey Wolves?
Also don`t forget that with Saudi Arabia and Qatar, Turkey has also provided the rebels with arms and other military equipment.
Also everyone knows that the so called war upon ISIL is a joke, in 2014 and in last June leaked some videos and recording from high Turkish officials who wanted to attack the Kurds in the Syrian border in order to prevent them from creating Kurdistan on Syrian-Iraq territory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_involvement_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War
The west is just trying to make Assad look like modern einstein, because he buys weapons from Russia.
Anyone that uses Sarin gas and drops barrel bombs on civilian population is a bad guy in my books.and what about droping nukes on city? :P
Aggressive Russian politicsconstructive and thoughtful answers here are not allowed :P
Russians are considered by many to be the bad ones, but they had shown multiple times they are the ones we should take examples of.
Breaking of the EU
I dont care at all, it would be better if it colapsed.
Economic crisis, lowering wages etc.
Economic crisis? My country has in been in crisis, for hundrets of years already. Lower wages you say? At the moment, most of the jobs here, are paid 1,66 € / 1,21 £ / 1,86 $ - for an hour, looking at todays currency rates. It sure can be lower than that, but once you get used to living like a cockroach, it doesnt make any differences later, if it gets worse.
Refugees flooding Europe
Yes.
Extremism and xenophobia leading to loosing my civil rights
Im already enslaved. I can barely decide for myself anything. The government knows better what is good for me.
Panos, what are they saying ?
Anyone that uses Sarin gas and drops barrel bombs on civilian population is a bad guy in my books. I don't care what you think of Turkey but to defend Assad is pretty fucking awful...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_chemical_weapons_in_the_Syrian_civil_war
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Syrian_Civil_War_barrel_bomb_attacks
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and what about droping nukes on city? :P
constructive and thoughtful answers here are not allowed :PVovka thinks it's "constructive and thoughtful" because it's pro-Russian. What a shock.
It's simple don't https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Pearl_Harbor
Asia for Asians, Middle East for Muslims , Africa for Africans , but Europe FOR EVERYONE!
Europe has voted, it has been settled. Immigrants will be able to integrate, live and work in European Union. Now you can start fearing for your jobs.
On other side of the world we have this: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform
Europe has voted, it has been settled. Immigrants will be able to integrate, live and work in European Union. Now you can start fearing for your jobs.
On other side of the world we have this: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform
Some interesting quotes here from top military officials: http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-real-reason-america-used-nuclear-weapons-against-japan-it-was-not-to-end-the-war-or-save-lives/5308192
14 million Chinese murdered in ww2 by the Japanese, they outdid Albert in China, don't attack peaceful nations if you don't want to face the consequences.Please read the article.
None knew at the time how devastating the bomb would be and that the Japanese would almost immediately surrender afterwards, those cities were major industrial hubs keeping the Japanese in the war, and the Japanese weren't going to surrender any other way. I don't think anyone would argue that it was a tragic end with unnecessary loss of life, but surrender terms with a harsh warning were delivered beforehand.
Please read the article.
Really?
People still believe that Assad is the true bad guy?
Sure, he has made mistakes, but come on, you` dont have to be a prodigy to understand that Turkey and USA wanted Assad out of the picture because he was a pain on their ass, and thats why Putin have shown his support to Assad.
You would need to be a complete retard to think there aren't any. Although it would be pretty pointless, they can already get in easy through Marseilles, especially with the funding they have. Without taking into account all the "french" islamic fanatics that have, yes, lived here their whole lives. It's ok though, there is no such thing as "french", it's an illusory identity, who cares if some "french" keep getting killed, you have absolutely no attachment to any of them, they are not part of your "group", they aren't even a group at all. Hey I know, let's all gather and and raise pens in there air for one protest after some backwards fuckers murder cartoonists and journalists in cold blood, and scream useless symbolic shit like "the pen is mightier than the sword!", then forget it even happened a month later. Guess what, Charlie Hebdo said they would no longer caricature islamic barbarians or their kid fucking warlord prophet, wouldn't want to trigger their insane blood rage, so who won that round? It seems that despite all the whining about tolerance and understanding and peace and universalist claptrap the only thing these 5th column hippies understand is violence and fear. Oh well, I look forward to another useless symbolic protest after the next islamic terrorist attack. One day the protest itself will be a target then all the hypocritical cowards can stop pretending they are accomplishing anything at all except reassuring themselves.
You know, even the fact that you use the notion of "true bad guy" unironically in this context is laughable.
Whoever Turkey or the USA fight against must be a "true good guy", Panos logic.
Seriously though, who are you angry at here?
Oh no, someone made fun of my english at the internet!On the internet*
Is this the best you can do?
Lol, calling the US peaceful? At the same time as you justify dropping city-killers on an urban population.
I guess all those times the US tested the anticipated city-killers dont count, despite the scientific concern that detonating a single nuclear device could set the ozone layer on fire and end human life on the planet. But hey, that didnt happen in the end, so therefore it was a completely reasonable thing to do at the time when nobody knew.
And the Germans would only surrender if the allied forces landed at Normandy on 6 June 1944. If they landed on any other day or any other location we'd still be at war today, since that's what led to Germany surrendering therefore it's the only way Germany would have surrendered.
Since the US never tried fighting the war to completion without nuking civilians i dont suppose we'll ever know any of the other scenarios in which Japan would have surrendered. The only way the Titanic could possibly have sunk is if an iceburg hit it, nothing else would have worked because history says so.
If you'd dropped nukes on Berlin in 1944, every snotty American in the world today would be talking about how it had been the only way to make Germany surrender and how it was a fair price for them to pay for attacking 'peaceful nations'.
On the internet*
Preceeding the bombings we dropped pamphlets warning the japs but they didnt believe us. In both hiroshima and nagasaki, there were bomb shelters that were undamaged by the bombs. I dont give a fucking that a single jap died by atom bombs, they deserved it for attacking us. Dont cry if someone breaks your legs after you sucker punch them. However this is off topic and please start discussing the best way to stop the immigrants from entering europe.
Preceeding the bombings we dropped pamphlets warning the japs but they didnt believe us. In both hiroshima and nagasaki, there were bomb shelters that were undamaged by the bombs. I dont give a fucking that a single jap died by atom bombs, they deserved it for attacking us. Dont cry if someone breaks your legs after you sucker punch them. However this is off topic and please start discussing the best way to stop the immigrants from entering europe.
Preceeding the bombings we dropped pamphlets warning the japs but they didnt believe us. In both hiroshima and nagasaki, there were bomb shelters that were undamaged by the bombs. I dont give a fucking that a single jap died by atom bombs, they deserved it for attacking us. Dont cry if someone breaks your legs after you sucker punch them. However this is off topic and please start discussing the best way to stop the immigrants from entering europe.The main problem with that analogy, see, is that Japan is not "someone." The civilians that were killed did not attack the US. So it's more like someone sucker punching you, and then you walk to their place of business and break everyone's legs there.
its not like anyone could have done anything to us anyway.
Oh no, someone made fun of my english at the internet!
Is this the best you can do?
Wtf Panos, I'm making fun of your worldview, not your English.
At least now we know you're actually an American, sometimes it's hard to tell geographically where someone grew up when talking with them online.
Talk about war crimes and the US nationals all boil to the surface. I've met Russians, honest-to-god, Russians with a better understanding of moral conduct, even in war. Talk about anything else and americans are suddenly world police, keen to liberate all the evil war criminal nations out there, talk about WW2 and suddenly it's all totally proportional and ''Puh, guess they shouldn't have messed with Uncle Sam then, they were totally asking for nuclear holocaust''
It's Americans like you that make me wish we do have a Nuclear Armageddon in our life time, 'hurr hurr, might makes right amirite? Sure we nuked Japan, what you gonna do about it?'. Receiving a buttload of nukes in return would be a small price to pay for teaching Americans some perspective.(click to show/hide)
If someone had dropped pamphlets on New York during WW1 before anyone knew this technology existed saying 'surrender unconditionally or we turn New York City into a crater', would the US have surrendered? Years after your major cities got nuked would you be saying 'nah man, it was cool that New York was nuked, it saved lives in the long run, got no sympathy for those US assholes for getting involved in a war they didnt belong in and attacking poor nation X who nuked the USA's cities into submission'. I doubt it. US mentality in this thread, maybe some day you'll realise that nuking civilians is a warcrime, even if you send them a note first letting them know it was premeditated.
At least now we know you're actually an American, sometimes it's hard to tell geographically where someone grew up when talking with them online.
Talk about war crimes and the US nationals all boil to the surface. I've met Russians, honest-to-god, Russians with a better understanding of moral conduct, even in war. Talk about anything else and americans are suddenly world police, keen to liberate all the evil war criminal nations out there, talk about WW2 and suddenly it's all totally proportional and ''Puh, guess they shouldn't have messed with Uncle Sam then, they were totally asking for nuclear holocaust''
It's Americans like you that make me wish we do have a Nuclear Armageddon in our life time, 'hurr hurr, might makes right amirite? Sure we nuked Japan, what you gonna do about it?'. Receiving a buttload of nukes in return would be a small price to pay for teaching Americans some perspective.(click to show/hide)
Delusional, that is the perfect world to describe them. At first, they were delusional Europeans who thought they deserve better lives, so they took off for unknown world. Even though they were poor people in every aspect. Then in order to survive in unfamiliar world they did nasty things, all the time telling themselves how God needs them to do those things. Killing natives or even cannibalizing members of their own families, it is fine because they are special people led by God. To this day same fucked up mindset persists. And they still believe God is guiding them to greatness. Doesn't matter if they are dumb, uneducated and morbidly obese, they are true God's children who are better than everybody else. America in a nutshell:
This is the shit majority of their voters truly believe in.
Lol, americans are so fascist that you consider Adolf to be 'far-left' now? Wish i found that surprising.
Ikr, Europe with it's irrational fear of right-wing extremism, thank god americans dont have anything similar. Btw i heard a rumour that your postman is a commie, so y'know, better report him or something there may be a reward.
And once again, the classic US argument of 'Stalin and Hitler were slightly more shitty than us, therefore that makes us amazing'. You're setting the bar real high there Uncle Sam, you should put that on a sign 'Welcome to the United States, we're only slightly less shite than Stalin's Russian', you must be so proud.
It was a terrible tragedy that could have been avoided had Japan surrendered.
An atomic bomb that killed 100-200k does not even slightly compare to the 25+ million innocents the USSR and Axis murdered.The fire bombing of Japanese population centers leading up to the nuclear bombings were much more costly in human lives, additional hundreds of thousands of burned, cooked and melted men, women and children who hadn't themselves taken part in any war crimes, except being the victims of one. The eye-witness descriptions are quite vivid and I urge anyone with an opinion on the bombings to look them up.
'The Japanese were prepared to negotiate all the way from February 1945…up to and before the time the atomic bombs were dropped; …if such leads had been followed up, there would have been no occasion to drop the [atomic] bombs'. - Herbert HooverIt's true the allies bombed commercial and industry areas populated by civilians to win the war, Germany and Japan had started this horrible trend by introducing these tactics to every country they attacked purposely targeting civilians over military targets.
The fire bombing of Japanese population centers leading up to the nuclear bombings were much more costly in human lives, additional hundreds of thousands of burned, cooked and melted men, women and children who hadn't themselves taken part in any war crimes, except being the victims of one. The eye-witness descriptions are quite vivid and I urge anyone with an opinion on the bombings to look them up.
After so many years of total war everyone was virtually desensitized and mass-murder of civilian populations was everyday business. We shouldn't claim any policy makers on any side acted with any sort of morality as it is simply contrafactual.
what the fuck is going on here
what the fuck is going on here
Thread being derailed so USA takes the blame for world's problem so nazís can't spread their propaganda in this thread.
Because USA is the hero the world deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So, we'll troll it, because USA can take it. Because USA's not our hero. It's a silent guardian. A watchful protector. A Red, White & Blue Knight
Thread being derailed so USA takes the blame for world's problem so nazís can't spread their propaganda in this thread.
Because USA is the hero the world deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So, we'll troll it, because USA can take it. Because USA's not our hero. It's a silent guardian. A watchful protector. A Red, White & Blue Knight
Thread being derailed so USA takes the blame for world's problem so nazís can't spread their propaganda in this thread.
Because USA is the hero the world deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So, we'll troll it, because USA can take it. Because USA's not our hero. It's a silent guardian. A watchful protector. A Red, White & Blue Knight
Also Heskey and Leshma exposed as chocolate chip cookies, never judge a book by it's cover.
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Considering that I have at least five infractions for racism, you might be onto something. It is me being racist or our fine overlords, no other way. You should also take into consideration that person known as chadz looks like he could be direct descendant of Adolf and that dude with callsign cmp seems to have something in common with our late friend Benito. They formed a cell that works undercover as development team, third dude in charge is Swedish tower calling himself Jacko. Other members are white, Caucasian, just like their leaders. Not a single black, brown, Asian or Jewsh person exist in their organization. Who is the real racist here?
Also their "composer" Fin didn't want to sign my basketball jersey just because I'm from Serbia.
(http://youtu.be/vM5kTqpm_lU)
@Xant Damn good song, never heard it before.
Considering that I have at least five infractions for racism, you might be onto something. It is me being racist or our fine overlords, no other way. You should also take into consideration that person known as chadz looks like he could be direct descendant of Adolf and that dude with callsign cmp seems to have something in common with our late friend Benito. They formed a cell that works undercover as development team, third dude in charge is Swedish tower calling himself Jacko. Other members are white, Caucasian, just like their leaders. Not a single black, brown, Asian or Jewsh person exist in their organization. Who is the real racist here?
Also their "composer" Fin didn't want to sign my basketball jersey just because I'm from Serbia.
(http://youtu.be/vM5kTqpm_lU)
@Xant Damn good song, never heard it before.
ah, that's the stuff
I dont want the US to be the world police. I wish we were not in any other countries. also Hotler was the leader of the nationalist SOCIALIST party. last I checked socialism was pretty left wing. Im not crying over pearl harbor, but if you are going to sneak attack at least do it successfully, Japan didnt take out any carriers or oil reserves on Hawaii. Siiem, US has been in Iran since the 50s and we were part of the group that forced Israel on the middle east in the 40s. ALso thsoe of you who are referrring to facism as "right" and socialism as "left" are wrong. The left is more authoritarian or centralized government and right is less government.Jesus
Could you Americans please stop redefining established words, assuming that the rest of the world has to follow your interpretation? I was getting mad at Shik's interpretation of 'racism' back in the days. Now I learned that they actually have their own meaning of words over there. To make it easier you could alter the wording a bit, like with meaning American 'far right' it could be 'fat right'.
Christo vehicule pls. Perturbator is fantastic, but Carpenter Brut is even better.
Is this what you want for Germany, Germans?Where in that video did you see them dictating my live???
Full muslim riots in your country?
For how long will you allow the guilt of the past dictate your lives?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d01_1441973503
Where in that video did you see them dictating my live???
This is what the police is there for. to take care of any agressive mob no mather what political or skin color!
I don't think its guilt what forces Germans to behave so stupid.
They are cold blooded calculators as last century shown.
They cannot be trusted...
..they have a plan :twisted:
As if they don't try to destroy Europa before :wink:
There are a few things at play here. First off, the Nazi regime was socialist, but in the very specific sense that the state controlled most of the economy. Second, isn't Shik another Tumblrspawn? In the US at large racism still means what it means. Nevertheless, cup457 obviously has no idea what right and left actually mean in politics, and it's symptomatic of the Republican tradition to try and collapse the authoritarian/libertarian issue into the left/right spectrum.
The Chocolate chip cookies and Communists have been far left conspiracy theorists since their inception, using superstition and the distribution of wealth to gain a large following. Here's a nice quote from Albert to make you all feel at home.
"The peoples of Islam will always be closer to us than, for example, France" - Albert
Just FYI.
Put a PHPBB code between Hitler to allow the word to not get censored
Quote my post to see what I mean.
I like using the phrases Albert and Chocolate Chip Cookies though, it reminds me that the politically correct weirdos have to replace reality with parental guided safety nets so they can avoid any kind of debate that forces them to leave their make believe comfort zone.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/mar/06/germany.armedforces
It's true the allies bombed commercial and industry areas populated by civilians to win the war, Germany and Japan had started this horrible trend by introducing these tactics to every country they attacked purposely targeting civilians over military targets.Concerning Hoover, then the article I'm referring to has quotes from some of the most important people on the US side (General Eisenhover, Admiral Leahy, General MacArthur, Assistant Secretary of War John McLoy, Under Secretary of the Navy Ralph Bird, General Curtis LeMay, Vice Chairman of the U.S. Bombing Survey Paul Nitze, Deputy Director of the Office of Naval Intelligence Ellis Zacharias, Commander in Chief of the U.S. Fleet and Chief of Naval Operations, Ernest J. King etc.).
Yes the Japanese also had an army of over a million troops still in China and all around the south pacific, they wanted to negotiate a separate peace with the USSR and USA which would leave them in possession of all their newly conquered territories which was not acceptable.
Hoover was not a factor for the US during ww2 he was president from 1921-28 and a member of the Republican party, so it's fitting that the communist author would take select quotes from him as the end all of answers to support his strange conspiracy theory. Of course in a war of that scale civilians are unfortunately killed, but the US was the most humane of all parties involved when it came to avoiding civilian casualties and you can't argue against the the statistics. The Japanese acted barbaric and savage and got little sympathy from the small price they paid for the massive amount of needless killing they orchestrated, the Japanese killed more civilians than Albert did during their Imperial conquests.
That being said Japan is a wonderful country now and nothing like they were in the past, so of course we feel sympathetic with what happened, an unfortunate but necessary use of force was needed to stop their savagery.
Only thing that stopped me going to places Hitler visited (http://www.thirdreichruins.com/vienna.htm) and taking a picture while doing nazi salute. Wanted to avoid being arrested. Damn Austrians, they don't have a sense of humour.
Concerning Hoover, then the article I'm referring to has quotes from some of the most important people on the US side (General Eisenhover, Admiral Leahy, General MacArthur, Assistant Secretary of War John McLoy, Under Secretary of the Navy Ralph Bird, General Curtis LeMay, Vice Chairman of the U.S. Bombing Survey Paul Nitze, Deputy Director of the Office of Naval Intelligence Ellis Zacharias, Commander in Chief of the U.S. Fleet and Chief of Naval Operations, Ernest J. King etc.).
What Hoover and many others are referring to can be one or more of the following Japanese surrender overtures:
The Japanese had sent peace feelers out as early as September 1944 and China had been approached regarding surrender in December 1944. In mid-April 1945, the US Joint Intelligence Committee reported that Japanese leaders were looking for options in surrender terms to end the war. The State Department was at this time convinced that Emperor was actively seeking a way to stop the fighting (Alperovitz, Gar. 'Atomic Diplomacy: Hiroshima and Potsdam'. 1965.)
The Kido memorandum to the Emperor proposed mediation by a third party to settle the war on terms that Japan may give up its overseas conquests and some form of disarmament, but retaining its old order (R.B. Frank. Ending the Pacific War: Harry Truman and the Decision To Drop the Bomb. 2009).
The Allan Dulles contact in Tokoyo (who may have been lacking support) desired surrender if Japan could retain the Emperor as a basis for maintaining discipline and order (Dulles, Allan. The Secret Surrender. 1966).
There is no record that any of the 'big six' policy makers in Japan would accept unconditional surrender prior to Hiroshima (but in fact their only condition by then was that the Emperor be spared), but in no way did they expect to hold on to any of the conquered territory or not face military occupation.
A 1945 article by the Chicago Tribune and the Washington Times-Herald - which had been withheld for seven months due to wartime censorship - disclosed how two days prior to the Yalta conference, President Roosevelt had received a 40-page memorandum from General Douglas MacArthur outlining five separate surrender overtures from high-level Japanese officials.
Herein, the Japanese offered surrender terms virtually identical to the ones the US ultimately accepted.
These included:
Complete surrender of all Japanese forces and arms, at home, on island possessions, and in occupied countries.
Occupation of Japan and its possessions by Allied troops under American direction.
Japanese relinquishment of all territory seized during the war, as well as Manchuria, Korea and Taiwan.
Regulation of Japanese industry to halt production of any weapons and other tools of war.
Release of all prisoners of war and internees.
Surrender of designated war criminals.
(http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/129964)
In April and May 1945, Japan made three attempts through neutral Sweden and Portugal to bring the war to a peaceful end, emphasizing that unconditional surrender was unacceptable, and that the Emperor could not be touched.
In June, Japan's Supreme War Council had charged Foreign Minister Shigenori Togo with approaching Soviet leaders with the aim of ending the war by September.
On June 22 the Emperor called a meeting of the Supreme War Council (including the Prime Minister, the Foreign Minister and the leading military figures), saying: We wish that you, leaders of Japan, will strive now to study the ways and the means to conclude the war. In doing so, try not to be bound by the decisions you have made in the past." (http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n3p-4_Weber.html)
Further reading: https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/kent-csi/vol9no3/html/v09i3a06p_0001.htm
You realize that majority of people who died in nuclear bombings were innocent? Those who were responsible for savagery depicted in those pictures were never persecuted in most cases. USA granted amnesty to those who tortured people in the name science, because your government found them being a valuable asset.
You took so many war criminals under your wing and they helped strengthen your security agencies. Don't play the moral card, because you have none. By default you guys are raised with one thing in mind and that is money and you'll go over corpses of many to achieve it.
Unit 731 (Japanese: 731部隊 Hepburn: Nana-san-ichi Butai?) was a covert biological and chemical warfare research and development unit of the Imperial Japanese Army that undertook lethal human experimentation during the Second Sino-Japanese War (1937–1945) of World War II. It was responsible for some of the most notorious war crimes carried out by Japan. Unit 731 was based at the Pingfang district of Harbin, the largest city in the Japanese puppet state of Manchukuo (now Northeast China).
Instead of being tried for war crimes, the researchers involved in Unit 731 were given immunity by the U.S. in exchange for their data on human experimentation.[10] Some were arrested by Soviet forces and tried at the Khabarovsk War Crime Trials in 1949. Americans did not try the researchers so that the information and experience gained in bio-weapons could be co-opted into the U.S. biological warfare program.[11] On 6 May 1947, Douglas MacArthur, as Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces, wrote to Washington that "additional data, possibly some statements from Ishii probably can be obtained by informing Japanese involved that information will be retained in intelligence channels and will not be employed as 'War Crimes' evidence."[10] Victim accounts were then largely ignored or dismissed in the West as Communist propaganda.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731
Also,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_raids_on_Japan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo
Of course in a war of that scale civilians are unfortunately killed, but the US was the most humane of all parties involved when it came to avoiding civilian casualties and you can't argue against the the statistics.Japan aside, those statistics are mainly because of the horrors of the eastern front, where the United States fortunately didn't fight. One cannot compare statistics like that, it would be similar to saying the Australians were the most humane because the statistics say they killed the fewest civilians, which wasn't due to some kind of arbitrary 'humanism' but because of other factors. Even the British who were happy to terror bomb civilian cities in Germany didn't reach the killing rates their US allies did against Japanese paper cities.
The air raids on industrial areas with civilian populaces by the Allies were a reaction to the Germans and Japanese introducing these tactics first, which resulted in the fast surrender of countries such as the Netherlands, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Belgium, France, Norway and Denmark even though their Army's were still intact, they surrendered to spare their civilians the agony of the of the Axis targeting civilians over military targets. The Japanese also aggressively bombed civilian targets in south-east Asia and China.Yes, and so? No one here is talking about exceptionalism in any case except, it seems, you. One evil doesn't legitimize another, especially not against innocents.
Japan aside, those statistics are mainly because of the horrors of the eastern front, where the United States fortunately didn't fight. One cannot compare statistics like that, it would be similar as saying the Australians were the most humane because the statistics say they killed the fewest civilians, which wasn't due to some kind of arbitrary 'humanism' but because of other factors. Even the British who were as happy to terror bomb civilian cities in Germany didn't reach the killing rates their US allies did against Japanese paper cities.
At this time of the war America wasn't trying to limit civilian casualties at all, on the contrary military leaders were trying to maximize destruction, same as everyone else, which is well-documented.
Yes, and so? No one here is talking about exceptionalism in any case except, it seems, you. One evil doesn't legitimize another, especially not against innocents.
No sane person would argue about Axis war crimes, the point is that the Allies also had their share - not surpringly in history's largest war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II
One unexploded bomb had a written 'Happy Easter' on the casing, which amazed citizens of Belgrade.
pffff
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicxulub_crater
beat it :o
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II
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It was done to avoid more casualties, merciful deed it was :rolleyes:
Belgrade was bombed three times during WWII, first time (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Retribution_(1941)) is was done by Axis forces in spring 1941 when people didn't want to accept agreement with Third Reich signed by Yugoslav government. Second and third bombings (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_bombing_of_Yugoslavia_in_World_War_II) happened near the end of war by Allies. British and Murican forces bombed Belgrade on orthodox easter 1944. Second time Muricans bombed Belgrade in September of same year.
Fourth time Belgrade was bombed in same period of the year (spring) and third time by Muricans in 20th century was when NATO bombed Belgrade in 1999. to overthrow Milosevic. Beat that :mrgreen:
What interests me, does Americans have any idea in case of their demise from world's number one power and creation of some war crimes court which will have to process every crime done in last 100 years or maybe even more, how much guilt they will have to deal with and how severe the punishment would be for their actions? Hypothetically speaking of course.
I don't think there was ever a nation in history that managed to do so many crimes against other nations in such short period of time. Germans and Japanese don't even come close. Even Soviets are left in the dust.
This is not dick measuring contest ffs. But if you want it that way, nothing beats this:
Doubt Americans would be able to last in such epic battle.
and what about droping nukes on city? :P
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II
In all fairness the Luftwaffe did destroy the city centres of most British cities as well, my poor beloved Swansea is a stinking mess filled with 50's architecture because of all those Junkers and Heinkle's . Anyway WTF does any of this discussion of civilian bombing / war crimes in WW2 have to do with the migrant crisis in Europe today.
Horrible trigger discipline.
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Here i'll bring the discussion back on topic. In my opinion Europe is being emotionally blackmailed into accepting hundreds of thousands of economic migrants under the guise of refugees over a picture of a deceased child, when children (christian children have been tortured and beheaded) continue to face slaughter in Syria and Iraq by the thousands. Totally letting her emotions take control and ignoring all logical reason, Merkel see's the opportunity to become a hero. Instead of aiding the United States in fixing the problems that exist in the Middle-East, Europe's far left ideology has basically handicapped them into accepting radical Islam as a "natural behavior" and a scapegoat in mishaps in the United State's foreign policy. Every country should be taking in refugees, but there should also be a plan in place to ensure those people will someday be able to return to their homeland in peace. It's cute and trendy to blame the United States for Islam's ancestral hatred fueled feud between their own religious sects and with the west, but it's not beneficial to any kind of peaceful outcome to the situation, they were killing each other by the thousands when US troops were in the middle-east, now that US troops are gone they are slaughtering each other on an even greater spectrum.Of all the things that could bring Europe down it's the europeans themselves who do it...
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You know that getting your kids used to weapons, and training your kids to use the weapons, in order to kill non believer is a different thing? I think not, you act not like all the left propaganda.I think they both killed about the same number of people
I think they both killed about the same number of people
new poll pls, not reading posts anymorevariant of voting here are even more useless tbh :o
I wonder if we´ll ever come back to the original topic again :mrgreen:
What topic? There is no topic. Hungary won't let refugees enter EU anymore, they will go back to Serbia which will implode under pressure. Fin.
After all what is Serbia. Nothing but Syria with slightly different name :lol:
Yugoslavia
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Blonde Danish teenager, 15, murdered her mother with a kitchen knife after watching ISIS videos of the beheading of British hostages online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3235062/Blonde-Danish-teenager-15-murdered-mother-kitchen-knife-watching-ISIS-videos-beheading-British-hostages-online.html)
Blonde Danish teenager, 15, murdered her mother with a kitchen knife after watching ISIS videos of the beheading of British hostages online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3235062/Blonde-Danish-teenager-15-murdered-mother-kitchen-knife-watching-ISIS-videos-beheading-British-hostages-online.html)Daily Mail reporting is so frigging bizarre. Why do they keep repeating "blonde Danish teenager"? Her being blonde seems very important to them.
Daily Mail reporting is so frigging bizarre. Why do they keep repeating "blonde Danish teenager"? Her being blonde seems very important to them.
What topic? There is no topic. Hungary won't let refugees enter EU anymore, they will go back to Serbia which will implode under pressure. Fin.That was the plan all along to trap'em in Serbia, until Serbia goes full hulk kebab exterminator again. No more refugee, no more refugee crisis! :twisted:
After all what is Serbia. Nothing but Syria with slightly different name :lol:
also EU will probably fuck us over and make us take most of the refugees permanently.it's time to start exploring the Qur'an :o
They just gonna go over Croatia to enter the EU.
According to early news, they already going there and Serbia is shipping them there with buses too.
Fuck they will took all our free jobs places in Croatia. We only have 400000 unemployed with 4 mil population. I predict they will stay here long as GTX on duel serverDo not worry, the search of the work is the latest in a list of their desires. Fucking Europeans owed to them for centuries of slavery :o
Yes they started arriving, they are peaceful, getting checked and reditected to the centers all around the country. Just hope the inhuman scenes from Hungary won't be repeated here. Just waiting for Slovenia to close their borders to Croatia, I have no doubt they will though, also EU will probably fuck us over and make us take most of the refugees permanently.Doubtful.
Doubtful.
I'm guessing that most of them see Croatia just as a transit land to 'milk 'n honey' Germoney.
Most of them will just carry on.
Doubtful.
I'm guessing that most of them see Croatia just as a transit land to 'milk 'n honey' Germoney.
Most of them will just carry on.
Merkel said she will accept all refugees from Syria so I'd just let them through. They will get there sooner or later anyways. Rich will be richer, middle class will slowly deteriorate and poor? they can always go to hell to eat shit :)Honestly... majority of the poor Germans are poor by choice: lack of character, education, brains etc.
Is there anybody from Canada or Australia? How difficult would it be for me to get your citizenship? :)
Merkel said she will accept them, then in secret gave an order to Orban to build a wall. Problem solved and she gets to look good in public. Hungary takes the blame, gets euros in return.That's actually pretty much true.
What about Norway? Does it fall somewhere in between of Denmark and Sweden? Sweden's totally fucked by now with the feminists and being US's bitch on everything, and they've went Gestapo with their internet laws as well.
That's the impression I get, as in so many respects somewhere between Denmark and Sweden.
Norway is in the periphery anyway, and running its own show despite the EEA & EFTA due to its oil wealth.(click to show/hide)
What are you doing in Scandinavia, and why is your location set to 'Godthåb', the Danish name for Nuuk in Greenland, I've always wondered?
Germany and many others have put back control at their border and Croatia is not part of the schengen area so it might not be so easy to reach Germany from Croatia.
Interesting poll:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/09/15/one-in-five-syrians-say-islamic-state-is-a-good-thing-poll-says/
Soon the match of the titan? Putin vs tardogan?
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/16/world/europe/russia-syria-military.html?_r=0
Our president and priminister are still repeating the situation is under control and the scenes from Hungary will not be repeated.
Romania or Bulgaria I presume.
^What country are you from?
The wording fits for a German who barely had contact with foreigners and thus fears them so much, too. Also many Germans believe we are 100% puppets of America.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3235247/How-spot-psychopath-Measure-head-Men-wider-faces-likely-psychopathic-traits.html
^What country are you from?
Puppets from my goverment, already agreed to take imigrants, it doesnt even suprise me. They agree on everything, and sign everything they are given. No wonder so many foreign Leaders like my country so much, if our politicians hardly ever say NO, as well as hardly ever negotiate anything, example... "foreigner politician: you own us 100 millions, our politician: no, we owe you 200 millions", and another example "foreigner politician: we own you 200 milions, our politician: you own us nothing". Thats how they negotiate, for most of the time.
Poland.A country with ~98% of population being ethnically Polish. Oh, woe is you.
Merkel said she will accept them, then in secret gave an order to Orban to build a wall. Problem solved and she gets to look good in public. Hungary takes the blame, gets euros in return.
I'd estimate that about 80% of those snippets have been shown on German news.
The wording fits for a German who barely had contact with foreigners and thus fears them so much, too.
I did, while living nearly a year in the London, UK.
A country with ~98% of population being ethnically Polish. Oh, woe is you.
Exactly what I am talking. It sounds too easy to be true, but there really seems to be a connection. Saxony too is the country with most xenophobic people and fewest immigrants in Germany.
Why can't everyone who wants to help them refugees donate their money?.. No need for anyone to wonder through EU and annoy so many citizens, while those who give them money can pet each-other and feel good about themselves. Everyone is happy!Correct me if I am wrong but aren't you an immigrant yourself?
May be i should start selling "I support refugees" t-shirts for 500 DKK each, pretending that profits will feed the hungry, shelter the homeless and build schools in Syria. Yeah, inner Copenhagen, Nørrebro and Vesterbro - filled with hipster treehuggers who has bad conscious for being so well off. Would sell a truckfull of t-shirts there in just few hours, before some journalists and old people would get too nosy.
A flatscreen in the background showing sad pictures of Syrian children, happy Danish students enjoying freedoms with some slogans about education, traveling and such - all to create contrast and build-up the guilt. But my face will probably not do it... I will need to hire a pair of blond, long-haired teenage girls, and a random sporty foreigner, as ethnic looking as possible but speaking perfect Danish, so people would trust my enterprise more ( would not pay them nothin', they should think it's all legit. May be a pair of festival tickets to each, for boosting their motivation. Youngsters love them festivals ;) ). They would wear the t-shirts, have some fake IDs hanging on their necks, smiling as hard and sincere as possible, but make sad faces from time to time, to remind about the sad Syrian business. Hmmm... May be a few huge posters on each side of the truck, with photoshopped local celebrities wearing my t-shirts. Dat'd be sweet. Bulletproof business-plan.
Wait a second. Afaik Asscountry is the biggest (net) receiver in the EU (while Germany gives the most). Your nobs seem to be pretty good at negotiating.
Correct me if I am wrong but aren't you an immigrant yourself?
Everyone but our politiciancs knew that the next stop is Croatia. :oops: They kept reapeating we are 100% prepared everything is under controll the past few days like parrots. Of course they werent ready...
Somehow I assume Sweden will be the provinggrounds of if it really works. I understand their logic that the bad blood between both natives and immigrants is only increased with offensive media. If they get rekt, its obvious it does not work at all. If everythings still completely fine in 20 years or so later, I personally personally think it will be fine everywhere.
Forty years after the Swedish parliament unanimously decided to change the formerly homogenous Sweden into a multicultural country, violent crime has increased by 300% and rapes by 1,472%. Sweden is now number two on the list of rape countries, surpassed only by Lesotho in Southern Africa.
in 2002, 85% of those sentenced to at least two years in prison for rape in Svea Hovrätt, a court of appeals, were foreign born or second-generation immigrants.
A 1996 report by the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention reached the conclusion that immigrants from North Africa (Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia) were 23 times as likely to commit rape as Swedish men. The figures for men from Iraq, Bulgaria and Romania were, respectively, 20, 18 and 18. Men from the rest of Africa were 16 times more prone to commit rape; and men from Iran, Peru, Ecuador and Bolivia, 10 times as prone as Swedish men.
It's already a catastrophe for multiple reasons, crime for one, violent crime and rape of Swedish women by immigrant men especially. Even here in Denmark more than half the total rapes are done by immigrants (only 6% of the population), and it's much worse in Sweden (in 2008 Denmark only had 7.3 rapes per 100,000 inhabitants compared to 53.2 in Sweden) where phenomena hitherto unknown in Scandinavia such as 'gang rapes' are being perpetrated against the local women.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape
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Sam the Seal sits in filthy water every day that could kill him.
Please give just £15 a month and you could make sure that a seal like Sam here gets fresh mountain spring water to swim in.(click to show/hide)
Love these kind of topics. Trolling, posting stuff from various sources and watching mayhem unfold. Sooner or later 80% of this medieval loving community drops the mask and show true face of right wing nationalist.
Europeans aren't right wingers predominately, far from that. But people who get hard from watching two men clash their swords and spend crazy amount of time reading about history and watching documentaries in most cases are nationalists.
Previous game I have played was about giant mechas fighting each other. Guess what, huge majority of players were Asian American teenagers. Can't tell for certain but have a feeling they were driving modded Supras :mrgreen:
Haven't been there yet, but I bet that majority of Second Life players are closeted pansexuals of all kinds and colours who are too afraid to show their kink in public and in front of other people so they use video games to fill that void in their souls.
Sooo, remind me again, am i a Commie or a Nazi?
It's already a catastrophe for multiple reasons, crime for one, violent crime and rape of Swedish women by immigrant men especially. Even here in Denmark more than half the total rapes are done by immigrants (only 6% of the population), and it's much worse in Sweden (in 2008 Denmark only had 7.3 rapes per 100,000 inhabitants compared to 53.2 in Sweden) where phenomena hitherto unknown in Scandinavia such as 'gang rapes' are being perpetrated against the local women.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape
Ok around 15k people entered Croatia yesterday, the country is far beyond it's capacities
Here is hope to them listening. On the other hand, if you look at the conditions in Turkey, Lebanon, Egypt... I'd try to get away from it too. So, whatever you do: blaming the immigrants/refugees for trying is stupid.The difference is those that stays in Egypt, Turkey, Lebanon hope to go back to syria after the war, I don't think it is the case of those going to Europe.
[...]That's the main reason given when asked most of the time.
I really wonder for the men/women ratio, maybe the travel is too hard for them and they stay in Turkey.
Okay I understand what you want to say but doesn't this sound a bit funny to you? Bet it would sound funny to average Japanese.
I completely agree but a country with complety incompetent and unpripared leadership cosidering the facts is handling the situation rarher well but I'm sure it will escalate soon. Also you have to put things in perspecive how much can a medium developed country with 4 milion people and high unemploymsnt rate take refugees and provide a decent acomodation and care to those people. Only the city of Zagreb can cope with those numbers, the town the first refugees came to over the border has a population of 1.700 people, imagine the impact of 6000 refugees to that town, they don't have the resurces even if they wanted to house them all. Yes it's funny to average japanese who lives in a suburb of a city 6/7 times the population of a single country.
One Kurd from Afghanistan when asked why didn't he stay in Turkey said that he left everything at home and have nothing in Turkey (no job, no family, no house). And he speaks Arab while everybody in Turkey speaks Turkish. Journalist asked him why he is going to Germany when he isn't speaking German? He said, we will learn German but not Turkish.
Okay I understand what you want to say but doesn't this sound a bit funny to you? Bet it would sound funny to average Japanese.
Anyway that wasn't a point I was trying to make just slight remark. What really interests me is where are all the women? Could it be that male-female distribution is heavily in favor of males? Or that women are left home because they are too weak to travel? Or most likely, because ISIS fighters took them as slaves? No one seem to care about that.
Would gladly sign any document to take all the refugees if they were women and children. Not because they are easily "manageable" or whatever the term is but because all this ripe young males remind me way too much of our lazy European ripe young males and honestly I don't like them. Women are superior in every way to those lazy douche-bags (on both sides, refugee and civilized EU type).
Asking a Kurd whether he'd like to live in Turkey with Kurd's most hated enemies (and in a country he wasn't born in) OR Germany is derpy.
I'm sure a Greek guy like Panos would also pick Germany over Turkey.
But of course Leshma is an idiot that is ignorant of the most basic facts.
Seriuslly Leshma. I think you are eyes are too teary from this subject that you just ignore basic facts.
They are muslims. Even if like 10% out of 100% immigrants wont properly intergrate, we are totally fucked. Probably the male population is gonna be okay, but the Western female population is gonna suffer. Muslim males understanding of women does not change at all. One can hope, but it generally doesnt. You can call us na zis and racists and ultra right wings as much as you like, but you have to admit we do have a point and some of our fears are fully justified and even at some points completely proven before. I suppose Syrians are a bit different. On a count of that they were a pretty decent country before all that shit went down. But definately no African, Afgan or Iranian or whatever else refugees. Those people are screwed up too badly to live among us. Give those people some decent opportunities and majority of them will be greater na zis and racists and ultra right wings than we ever were.
And you can try to throw some exceptions here for the sake of the argument, that you have personally talked with that made you cry and feel sorry for them, but honestly, it proves little to nothing.
International Organisation for Migration (IOM) teams have recorded total arrivals to Europe by sea in 2015 at 473 887 men, women and children
Isnt the very fact that there is this clash of cultures and poor treatment of women proof that isolation has been a really really bad thing from a humanitarian standpoint? Putting these people back in cultures surrounded with like-minded people is not going to make this culture clash go away, dispersing them amongst cultures where the majority object to that behaviour is the best way. Think of the long-game.
As they begin to understand that their halfass "Islam, the welcoming religion" and "the spiritual East" conceptions aren't putting an end to the horrors that they get slightly involved in by helping those in need, they go full-despise mode. The hypocrisy is like a cultural fabric.
This potential refugee/race war is exciting though. Neither the braindead nationalists nor the durka durka muhammed jihad islamists or poor refugees will win. The government will.
God bless Martial Law + Police + Military. Have faith in the government. Shame I didn't apply for cops school. When will the black helis arrive? And when will USA + China + Russia make a ''triumvirate'' of 3 countries instead of 3 individuals (like Rome) and seize Europe?
3 countries that can barely manage their own economic and social problems wouldn't have a chance of dealing with Europeans.
Or you could become a psychologist. Think of how many hundreds of thousands of mentally ill and untreated refugees will be pouring into Europe, this mixed with extreme religious ideologies does not make for a healthy combination. You could also give yourself a psych-eval.
They can't be like Rodge, not gentlemanly enough.
3 countries that can barely manage their own economic and social problems wouldn't have a chance of dealing with Europeans.
visitors can't see pics , please register or loginSadly the amount of money spent isn't as good an indicator as it could be, US spends so much on completely useless crap, and also researches stuff with billions of dollars that China just steals, etc.
Would never happen unless Europe was the aggressor due to limitations of war put in place by the Legislative and Executive branches. But I highly doubt social or economic problems would be an issue in defeating a demilitarized welfare nanny state.
Would never happen unless Europe was the aggressor due to limitations of war put in place by the Legislative and Executive branches. But I highly doubt social or economic problems would be an issue in defeating a demilitarized welfare nanny state.
Well combined EU spending is second to only the US (although I believe its only 1/4 of what america spends) but if there's one thing US military operations over the last few decades have proven it's that no matter how much money you guys throw at a conflict you still end up leaving behind an unmitigated disaster.
Well combined EU spending is second to only the US (although I believe its only 1/4 of what america spends) but if there's one thing US military operations over the last few decades have proven it's that no matter how much money you guys throw at a conflict you still end up leaving behind an unmitigated disaster.Why would money have anything to do with the shitty decisions US politicians make?
Why would money have anything to do with the shitty decisions US politicians make?
Well the general reason why everything in the Middle-East is still fucked is because of US. The Middle-East was screwed up long before and US basically trained and armed a lot of locals so that they could defend their home themselves from harassing insurgency, without any further help from the West or anyone else. Ironically these locals, i dont know for whatever reason, mybe because of boredom or something became part of the harassing insurgency themselves.But what does any of that have to do with US's military spending?
And than the moronic conspiracytheorists read into it to deeply. It doesnt take a genius the see the simple fact that noone in the West gained anything from Iraq or Afganistan. The US lost and is still losing fucktons of money and people. They arent really gaining any favors or resources to compensate that constant loss either. So yeah. Theres no bigger plot.
Funding (soon to be)insurgent forces around the globe is expensive and goes under military spending. And those shitty decisions to fund that come from US politicians.
80% young males. Why didnt they stay in their country to defend it. What would happen to croatia if 80% of young males fled in the serbo-croatian war. They care more about their tribal connections or economic situation then the future of their country. I just want to know what kind of propaganda machine convinced them that Europe is the land of milk and honey.I read a bit about this. Why they actually believe in the milk and honey thing.
Well the general reason why everything in the Middle-East is still fucked is because of US. The Middle-East was screwed up long before and US basically trained and armed a lot of locals so that they could defend their home themselves from harassing insurgency, without any further help from the West or anyone else. Ironically these locals, i dont know for whatever reason, mybe because of boredom or something became part of the harassing insurgency themselves.The west hoped to get the oil from Irak that had been nationalised by Saddam and hoped to put an end to the terrorist treat and gain a secured route trough Afghanistan, in the end both failed so yeah no big gains. If it was for world policy why not rather attack north korea? And is violating UN resolution the US definition of world policy? And do you really think US would throw so much money and lives for the happiness of world's people?
And than the moronic conspiracytheorists read into it to deeply. It doesnt take a genius the see the simple fact that noone in the West gained anything from Iraq or Afganistan. The US lost and is still losing fucktons of money and people. They arent really gaining any favors or resources to compensate that constant loss either. So yeah. Theres no bigger plot. They just felt like world policing and screwed up even more.
Well I tell a lie, people do care about it, they usually say it's a bunch of able bodied men fleeing war, hence they are cowards unwilling to fight for their country. Saying this to the women is of course unthinkable, because they are no better than children apparently.No one expect women to fight wars because this kind of thing is a bit too physical maybe....Ofc there's kurds female fighters but I think they are more of a propaganda thing than an efficent fighting force.
[...] From the 'Islamic Human Rights Commission' ...
The west hoped to get the oil from Irak that had been nationalised by Saddam and hoped to put an end to the terrorist treat and gain a secured route trough Afghanistan, in the end both failed so yeah no big gains. If it was for world policy why not rather attack north korea? And is violating UN resolution the US definition of world policy? And do you really think US would throw so much money and lives for the happiness of
How does a pro refugee propaganda looks like in your country?
Is there such a thing? From what I've seen there are two sides. One which want all muslims dead or as slaves and other which really don't have any idea what to do with them but want them no harm. Guess latter are called pro refugee lol
So much retardation in one post i don't know what to do.
How come Jews constantly cry, whine, and sue everyone all over the world, for the same thing [World War II], over, and over again... and get money?
Sure there is, arent the public media meant to be non judgemental, showing things how they are? They dont. Propaganda is always one sided, and spread lies. Which is what is happening now. They are PRO, blindy one sided, and no arguments will be heard by them. We had protest all over the country recently, showing how many of us [thousands of people] are AGAINT this invasion, but hardly anyone talks about it. Germans for example, found a tiny FOR protest [couple lefties], and thats what they wrote about in a in a nutshell, "Protests in Poland showing solidarity with refugee", not a single word, that they were minority, not a single word about the AGAINST protests, just a single photo with their transparent, and thats it.
Our local propaganda station, one of the worst trash media in the country called TVN, has tried a live propaganda [they do it on a daily basis], but they failed so miserably, they took it of the air, after a while. A journalist was talking stuff like "look at all these kids, women, and elderly people, look at all these poor, exhausted refugees", while the cameraman was showing what they dealt with, majority of refugees were young males, with nice clotches, and iPhones. In fact, about 80%+ of all refugees are young males.
Media here, are so afraid of the publicity, they even turned off the option to write the comments, because they couldnt keep up with deleting them.
There are plenty of politicians making stuff like, "they will enrich us culturally, over 90% of them are working wherever they come to, they are highly skilled and educated, they are not after higher life standard, but are afraid of the war". Who will believe in such a bullcrap?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=4&v=vTCwER1-IUI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=470&v=3KSJY0c8QWw
http://www.heute.de/warschaus-fluechtlingspolitik-gefaellt-vielen-polen-nicht-40062118.html
http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Asylum_statistics
I can spam with facts forever, though I dont often add sites to favorite, because there are too many of them.
EU will fall, because its mainly run by lefties, homobundle of stickss, and other trash, that live due to no values. Lack of values, lack of national identity, lack of bonds between the people, thats what they want. Thats what eveyone would dreamt of to happen. Since its much easier to take over a counry, that is divided and full of internal problems, rather than e.g. Israel, a Jew fortress.
How come Jews constantly cry, whine, and sue everyone all over the world, for the same thing [World War II], over, and over again... and get money? Mainly my country though. Germans started whitening themselves, maybe anyone noticed, how more, and more history is being changed as we speak, and Poland is now one of the countries that started the World War II :P, and did the most harm to Jews, in the Polish death camps.
How come they [the Jews] can have hermetic country, and not give a fuck about non Jews, but treat them like shit, and its okay with everyone, but EU has to constantly kneel before everyone, and bend over?
How come all these rich Arab countries, dont help their islamic brothers and sisters? They offered them help with... giving money to build a mosque wherever they will go.
How come we dont see EUropeans spread all over the middle east? Well its simple, christians to islamists are trash, and have very limited rights, but of course, everyone is okay with that, but once a single islamists cry, theres plenty of lefties to help him.
How come EUropeans must obey the islamist country laws, and pay the price for disobedience, while the islamists dont need to obey the EU countires laws, on top of that, they are encouraged to make ghettos, and introduce their own laws on foreign soil, such as sharia zone, or Muslim only zone?
How come Muslims and Jews can be nationalists, can take care of their heritage, but once some EUropean citizen rises a flag of his country his immediatly called facists, chocolate chip cookiest, homophobe, xenophobe etc.?
From all the crap that I heard, this one is the best, hang on tight guys, and girls.
I saw a homobundle of sticks in Poland saying he supports refugees, and wants them to come here. Does he even know what Muslims will do to him?
Might be long, might be chaotic, but some things need to be told.
Thats how EUropean solidarity looks like in reality.
http://i.imgur.com/YFG4Z2D.jpg
So much retardation in one post i don't know what to do.
How many immigrants or refugees or whatever are in Poland and Latvia atm?
Tibe may I ask where are you from?
The general media is basically pro-refugee propaganda while the people are against immigrants.
This guy is serious business. Do I smell a reality show?
National news have reported many, many times on the drowning kid, which was admiteddly an emotionally charged image, but I've actually heard more ranting about the hungarian reporter tripping that guy than about the kid. To hear and see news about the "refugees" raping, assaulting, attacking, killing, robbing other "refugees" if they happen to be a different ethnicity/religion or unprotected women, not to mention the european natives who actually live in/near the areas receiving the "refugees", in fact about any sort of negative perception of this mass migration, the internet is the only place for sources, often on extremely racist extremist far right websites or websites populated by them at least. I wish I could ignore everything from such sources just because the messengers are incredibly biased, but I would have to extend the same courtesy to practically any news sources in that case. Liveleak is a den of neo-reactionary racist "red pillers", as they call themselves, but it doesn't mean videos posted there are fucking computed generated hoaxes or should just be ignored because they don't concur with the narrative. It's not about the messenger, it's about the message, and I can't be enough of a blind idiot to dismiss the evidence of my own eyes as nothing more than the fears of irrational racists. It'd be so easy, to be such a deluded, ideologically driven idiot. It would require sooo little thought, introspection and most importantly research.
This is mostly my impression of french national news on television, I'm sure the reporting varies from country to country, and probably local news have more nuanced perceptions, but you'd have to be a blind idiots (i.e Leshma) to think there isn't a deliberate positive slant to the refugees in mainstream media.
So much retardation in one post i don't know what to do.
This thread man..
i am hungry
I travel to Copenhagen every day on the route immigrants use on their way to Sweden and every single one I've seen looks well nourished, and there's volunteers at the stations offering them free food and clothes etc.You make it sound like that's a bad thing.
You make it sound like that's a bad thing.You are attacking a straw man, Molly.
Looks okay to me.
Didn't know there were so many nazis in Poland. Didn't they ruin your country 70 years ago?
Edit: Before you ask me how I know they are nazis when they can be normal people who oppose migration. Hint: ONR.
Didn't know there were so many nazis in Poland. Didn't they ruin your country 70 years ago?
Edit: Before you ask me how I know they are nazis when they can be normal people who oppose migration. Hint: ONR.
Edit: There is OWP logo as well, dat eagle on flag far right (pun intended).
Again this conversation. Last time it was with some Ukrainians who tried to explain how Right Sector isn't nazi organization.
OWP, ONR, Golden Dawn, Right Sector, Svoboda, NPD, Dveri, Obraz... same shit, different country and nation.
Putin will go through Europe like Stalin did and reclaim land for Mother Russiya and kill all you názis ))))))))) XNXNXNXNXNXNXN XAXAXAXAXA
hey I'm all for the Russians getting their people and territory back in Ukraine, the dissolution of the Soviet Union left those people isolated, but they should probably have to negotiate for it not just get it for free and blame it on their dead adversaries from 1942.
Putin will get Scandinavia, Finland, Eastern Europe and Germany too. Ur fukked m8s
This is a pretty interesting read, NATO on NATO-Russia relations:
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_111767.htm
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_50090.htm?
You make it sound like that's a bad thing.
About the news outlets in Germany... I am rather satisfied with them. There is a general 'pro' undertone in the news but if you mix your outlets up by watching a news show, a report and the local newspaper in the morning, I feel informed.
None of the videos posted here have surprised me, most snippets showed up one way or the other on TV...
If I were a 'contra' person, I'd probably call them biased and bought too. Guess it depends if the narrative undertone fits your own bias or not.
That's why I actually laughed about Materia's "heute.de" link. It actually mentions the 'contra' protesters, it quotes local politicians, it quotes state politicians, it mentions 'pro' protesters... lots of angles mentioned and not in a judgemental tone. Looks okay to me.
General pro "undertone". What an understatement. It is emotional manipulation and blackmail on an industrial scale. It could easily be done for the "other" side, and often is, just not on the mainstream. It's practically religious, this clutching at martyrs and symbols of victimhood. Of course you will see footage of a drowned refugee child on the national news, not so much pictures of the women gangraped and killed by refugees. A hungarian reporter tripping a refugee holding a child is a matter for much discussion and headshaking and soulsearching about how europe is totally like violently racist you guys, but no mentions of the constant violence and vandalism of the refugees towards the natives that goes far beyond a simple leg trip, in numbers and scope. I'm sure the snippets that showed up one way "or the other" (lololol) were set in proper "context", i.e pushing the correct narrative.
General pro "undertone". What an understatement. It is emotional manipulation and blackmail on an industrial scale. It could easily be done for the "other" side, and often is, just not on the mainstream. It's practically religious, this clutching at martyrs and symbols of victimhood. Of course you will see footage of a drowned refugee child on the national news, not so much pictures of the women gangraped and killed by refugees. A hungarian reporter tripping a refugee holding a child is a matter for much discussion and headshaking and soulsearching about how europe is totally like violently racist you guys, but no mentions of the constant violence and vandalism of the refugees towards the natives that goes far beyond a simple leg trip, in numbers and scope. I'm sure the snippets that showed up one way "or the other" (lololol) were set in proper "context", i.e pushing the correct narrative.Didn't know you're reading and watching German news. Very impressive...
These days half of my compatritos are in a totally retarded rage mode against refugees. Refugees which noone have seen, because they're not here and don't even want to come here :wink: Is it fear of the unknown? I don't know. And to think that through almost entire our history, since XIII century till 1945, POland was a multicultural country.I know imigrants from Ukraine and african students, no one behave and act like those invaders.
lol, Molly again.
German media is fanatically pro-refugee, with no little exception. Even the commenting function on all big media sites is always disabled on reports relating to the refugee topic, while it's enabled for most other reports. Criticism gets nipped in the bud before it's even possible to express it.
You don't want mass immigration of mostly uneducated, agressive and dumb young males ? Sure, you must be a racist and fascist ... it's always the same. Boring actually. Makes me not even smirk anymore.
There can't be negative coverage about the topic because all the big media are heavily censored and phased. They all only broadcast what the people in power want, and that is pro-refugee for now. It would be the same with any other topic, but for now it's this.
Again this conversation. Last time it was with some Ukrainians who tried to explain how Right Sector isn't nazi organization.
OWP, ONR, Golden Dawn, Right Sector, Svoboda, NPD, Dveri, Obraz... same shit, different country and nation.
[...]That actually is a Tovi-quality statement. Good job!
We came from communism, to even worse EU, that constantly controls everything.
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Just watched the debate between Denmark and Sweden. Swedes were unprofessional and kept accusing their own moderate colleagues of being chocolate chip cookies and also accused the Danes of being racist chocolate chip cookies for not adopting their open boarder non-regulated immigrant policy. When questions about security came up they accused the questions of being racist and refused to answer them.Is it 'Debatten' with Clement Kjergaard? https://www.dr.dk/tv/se/debatten/#!/01:30
Sweden's only economic solution to the crisis was to wait for their workforce to die out so they can replace them with muslims, and to start housing new migrants in wealthier communities to better expose them to Swedish culture. They even went as far to accuse a Danish Muslim politician of being a chocolate chip cookie for pointing out that integration and unemployment among his own people was a huge problem. :lol:
Nawet nie będę wklejał linków i filmików, pełno tego jest po sieci. Jeśli tego nie widzisz i nie rozumiesz jakie to może mieć [albo już ma w niektórych krajach] konsekwencje jesteś głupcem.
Were not sovereign. Our puppet politicians do whatever EU wants. We came from communism, to even worse EU, that constantly controls everything. The hell with this. Germans already ruined EUrope once, they are trying to do it again. If they feel like they owe anything to the world, for murdering millions of people during World War II, let them take all these muslims.
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In other words: if you don't think like me, you're an idiot!
You don't think like me, you're a racist and a chocolate chip cookie!After all, you get the tingly warm feeling from being self-righteous, and that's all that matters.(click to show/hide)
Keep trying to shame people for basic collective human behaviour that has been the norm for all of human existence and still is in every collective not trying to literally erase itself, keep equivocating even the smallest inkling of collective identity to a genocidal racist compulsionInger Støjberg has scornfully been called a 'collectivist' by some of her fellow party members because of her anti-immigration policy, being a liberalist (in the original European meaning of the word) party they believe group thinking goes against individualism.
Just a general statement. Saying "you"re an idiot" to someone is not a conversation ender in my eyes, it's an invitation to further debate.
First of all, I can comment on how absurdly ignorant the general Polish reaction is to this whole thing. We are talking a country getting billions in support from the EU, with a long history of fleeing from war and conflict themselves, as a people, perhaps defining what immigrating to seek a better life is, in stead of building their own nation.
Imo the reason Poles react as they do is two sided. First of all a massive catholic/christian influence on society, (better than muslim, but jesus christ, still unbelievably retarded for a modern nation in europe.) The other side is more psychological. Poland is one of the most ethnically homogeneous countries on the planet (been "cleaned out" many times.) and many poles have finally found something in their own country that they can be "proud of". Something in Poland that is better than scandinavia/west europe... :rolleyes: I'm of the opinion that yes, Poland need to look more positively on itself, to truly believe it can and will be a great country, as it desperately needs it. (And I think it can, will and is getting there!) Anyway, the attitude towards immigrants is backwards and extremely hypocritical, as long as poles go to my country, Norway work without paying taxes, or just get child support and benefits, basically abusing our naive, trust dependent system..
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Notice the male Danes are more masculine.....
That actually is a Tovi-quality statement. Good job!
You don't think like me, you're a racist and a chocolate chip cookie! Those insults are losing any sort of meaning, as the danish/swedish debate demonstrates. Ideological differences? chocolate chip cookie racist. Don't agree wholeheartedly? chocolate chip cookie racist. Don't want to accept that multiculti fantasy ideology is always beneficial and good and in no way ever a detriment? chocolate chip cookie racist. Bring up statistics, truths and facts that completely discredit MUH FEELS arguements? chocolate chip cookie racist. It's been watered down to the point that not being a starry eyed, naive, self-loathing ethnomasochist with universalist tendencies = chocolate chip cookie racist. Again, if you're european at least.
Every other culture and country on the globe not participating in this social experiment (i.e all of them), well, they're completely irrelevant of course. I'm sure they will be just SO impressed with the West's cultural suicide that they will spontaneously decide to also willingly dismantle their own systems of collective tribal identities such as religion, ethnicity and culture, in favour of the hypothetical eurasiafrican melting pot that is supposedly coming. They'd be stupid not to, multiculturalism is always good and the wave of the future.
Idiots that keep harping on the chocolate chip cookie racist string at the smallest sign of disagreement are doing a disservice to their own cause, but I think their cause is shit and retarded anyways, so keep on keeping on. Keep trying to shame people for basic collective human behaviour that has been the norm for all of human existence and still is in every collective not trying to literally erase itself, keep equivocating even the smallest inkling of collective identity to a genocidal racist compulsion, keep on painting western countries as the source of all the ills of the world, which we must atone for by sacrificing our history and identity, our land and our wealth and our people, which we don't deserve anyways and have only because our ancestors were so evil and oppressive and literally einsteins. After all, you get the tingly warm feeling from being self-righteous, and that's all that matters.
In other words: if you don't think like me, you're an idiot!
For fuck's sake, every time someone replies to this post I watch a few more minutes of it, and it gets worse every time. This time I watched around the 30 minutes mark and the Swede was making literal "omg u chocolate chip cookie u would have said that about the jews" comparisons. Christ.
For fuck's sake, every time someone replies to this post I watch a few more minutes of it, and it gets worse every time. This time I watched around the 30 minutes mark and the Swede was making literal "omg u chocolate chip cookie u would have said that about the jews" comparisons. Christ.
Dunno why Danes and Swedes are having this discussion when it is obvious that Swedes will take refugees in, while Danes won't. Why are they even discussing it?
For those of you saying the US should take refugees, Im fairly certain we do take quite a bit, just not in large quantities.They took 1200 since the start of the conflict, that is to say they took none.
They took 1200 since the start of the conflict, that is to say they took none.
But a major difference between Switzerland and Germany is that our foreigners are well integrated, even tho we have lots of serbs,bosniak, kosovar, I never saw any of them insult another.
Instead of middle easterners and Africans coming to their country like Yurop, they got Mexicans. Maybe Europe wanna switch. Lets Spread dat Catholicism around pls.
Its the Nazi gold :lol:
Latinas are hot, you perro
Latinas are hot, you perrotoo bad most immigrants are fat old guys
I think it's sig-worthy to be honest.
Seriously though, who are you even talking about? I haven't seen any sign of Smoothrich or Shik in here for a long time. Do you believe people who think like that hold much political power especially, you know, outside of SoCal?
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But a major difference between Switzerland and Germany is that our foreigners are well integrated, even tho we have lots of serbs,bosniak, kosovar, I never saw any of them insult another. Something like the clash between kurds and turks inside germany is not even thinkable here.
Are you sure? If i'm not mistaken this happened in Switzerland :arrow: Turkish vs Kurds http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=617_1442119315(click to show/hide)
I'm quite sure this is probably an isolated case, but saying it's unthinkable is a bit naive imo.
Well, those are isolated cases in Germany too. Except your calling 3 to 5 times a year 20vs20 a massive problem in society :lol:
I've read about marriage parties having bigger fights.
Separate comment to Grytviken who puzzled me.. Couldn't place him, Norwegian nick, but opinions near unheard of in Norway, then I realize he's some right wing american with Norwegian roots. I can say if anything, US should take refugees. No country on earth is able to assimilate and integrate people from all over like the US, besides, ISIS and the war in Syria is a consequence of American wars and policy. (And of course, we should pressure the Saudis to take more.)
It's hard to get a clear idea of how many are actually war refugees and how many are economic migrants.
Did we or did we not watch the same frigging debate? This shit isn't confined to ivory tower academia and has deep implications on government policy.
Yes, it is. And it is abused by various politicians like Farage who says that 90% are economic migrants who come for benefits. What is for sure, is that people risk their very lives getting here. Isn't that some kind of test as to whether or not these are desperate people?
IMO, disregarding real, extremely fucked up conflicts like you have in Syria and parts of Africa:
Is that the world has suddenly gotten much much smaller. Millions of people in Africa and probably a much higher percentage of people in the middle east have access to internet and see for themselves how fucked up their countries are relative to Europe. The world is, for the most part, a shitty place. Billions of more or less intelligent humans live in corrupt, fucked up societies, where no matter how hard you work, you get fucked over sooner or later. There is no future for these people, at least not within reasonable reach. Perhaps in 100 years? Who cares about that?
You clearly arent radical then, since you consider yourself to be rational.
Unlike all those extremists out there who think 'my ideas are totally fucked up and radical but i believe them anyway'.
Plz dont discredit my opinions, i actually consider myself to be a moderate or independent, therefore my opinions are 100% valid because i consider myself to be so rational.
Muslims are treated like little retarded children in Europe who have to be protected from any and all forms of criticism, no other ideological group receives this same immunity from criticism. If that's not racist and regressive to the moderate Muslim community's efforts to reform their religion into something more acceptable in the year 2015, and to integrate them into society properly what is?
Are you saying that fundamentalist Christians, Orthodox Judaism, nationalist Hinduism, Scientology, et al do not employ powerful brainwashing tools and are relatively harmless?
Hmm.
I need to find a way to convince Southern Baptists, Evangelicals, etc, to immigrate to EU.
No need to be so defensive.
Where have I said that is a massive problem to society if some Turks and Kurds run over each other with a car? I simply answered to the Swiss guy who wrote that clashes between Turks and Kurds are not even thinkable over there.
Muslims are treated like little retarded children in Europe who have to be protected from any and all forms of criticism, no other ideological group receives this same immunity from criticism. If that's not racist and regressive to the moderate Muslim community's efforts to reform their religion into something more acceptable in the year 2015, and to integrate them into society properly what is?No idea where you get this impression of protection from.
Are you saying that fundamentalist Christians, Orthodox Judaism, nationalist Hinduism, Scientology, et al do not employ powerful brainwashing tools and are relatively harmless?
Are you sure? If i'm not mistaken this happened in Switzerland :arrow: Turkish vs Kurds http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=617_1442119315Probably a dirty german immigrant :lol:(click to show/hide)
I'm quite sure this is probably an isolated case, but saying it's unthinkable is a bit naive imo.
Muslims are treated like little retarded children in Europe who have to be protected from any and all forms of criticism, no other ideological group receives this same immunity from criticism. If that's not racist and regressive to the moderate Muslim community's efforts to reform their religion into something more acceptable in the year 2015, and to integrate them into society properly what is?I don't have this impression at all, everything was blamed on muslims in the past years (at least in western europe). Eventho, they had nothing bad in here, a lot of laws were passed against them, interdiction to construct minaret (eventho they were already not allowed to use them), interdiction to wear burqa, etc. Maybe now, a counter reaction is appearing for the reason they had been so much described as evil in past years.
No need to be so defensive.
I only intended to clarify that these incidents which were used before to discredit German integration of Kurds and Turks are not daily business in Germany either. That's why I picked your post up. Wasn't aimed at you personally.
Since we have Swedens here, that are proud of all these refugees that are already in, and still coming, Id like to ask is this true?
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6379/ikea-murders-sweden
http://www.jewsnews.co.il/2015/08/13/surreal-muslim-beheads-woman-in-ikea-swedish-police-send-reinforcement-to-boost-security-for-muslims/
http://www.friatider.se/tt-varnade-tidningarna-vi-kommer-publicera-uppgiften-om-att-de-misst-nka-r-fr-n-eritrea
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jewsnewsWhat? I think it sounds catchy. :lol:
lol
I'm not saying they are not. But do any of them ask their followers to pray 5+ times a day?
Lol those are all either racist or nationalistic internet ''news'' sites.
The problem we face, then, is how do we get more Muslims to do the same thing?
The thing about most mainstream religions in developed countries (I assure you Christians commit atrocities in third world countries, just like everyone else) is that dominant forms tend to explain away the parts of their holy text/teachings that a 'western' society doesn't agree with.The difference between Christianity and Islam is that for the vast majority of Christians, Christianity is a belief in belief (http://lesswrong.com/lw/i4/belief_in_belief/), while for a lot of Muslims, Islam is an actual belief. Hence the difference in how they treat and react to their respective holy texts.
This is why most Christians will happily eat bacon and not stone people who have sex out of wedlock.
The problem we face, then, is how do we get more Muslims to do the same thing?
Yeah, some of the only places where you can find information on these things, since they are blackballed, downplayed or outright ignored in the "mainstream" for fear of provoking "racism". Are you saying they are fabricated lies and didn't happen? Or are you saying you're a stupid wilfully blind bundle of sticks who ignores information that doesn't come entirely from your favourite circlejerking sources? I like how you automatically equate nationalism to racism btw, I'm sure that is equally applicable to every single country on the planet in your eyes. Of course I'm talking to someone who actually believed Ron Paul getting elected was a possibility and now thinks Bernie Sanders is the next coming of Jesus, so you're clearly not the sharpest tack in the box.
Outdated where, exactly? In the fantastical construct that exists only in your feeble mind? Because these "outdated" concepts have driven, drive and will continue to drive all human collective interactions and civilizations that have ever existed. I'm sure that must be hard to grasp from inside a safe first world bubble along with a complete lack of exposure to the reality of the rest of the planet. A cursory familiarity with history would be enough, if modern day realpolitiks wasn't enough, but even that is clearly too much information for you to handle.
I don't normally associate myself with despicable people like John Bolton or Alan Derschowitz, so I was sorry to post from zionist Gatestoneinstitute earlier, but I verified as many of the sources and numbers in the article as I could, and with the Swedish government and media's propaganda effort there was virtually no other coherent article I could go to for this data.
Why is that our problem? Why should it be? Fuck your neo-White Man's Burden. They can keep living in their shit-tier third world theocratic hellholes that don't even recognize the declaration of human rights for all I give a shit.
we're the only ones rational and humane enough to not guard our little patch of dirt like we're scared the tribe next door will steal all our cattle and take all our women if we let them in.
You pricks closed the borders, why are we still having this discussion?
Don't think it is over but atm is hardly possible to reach EU through Greece-Macedonia-Serbia route because Hungary built fence with barb wire and Croatia closed border to Serbia. Dunno why they aren't trying through Romania, but there sure is a good reason for that.Vampires. Turkish warned them.
If some people are ready to admit their shitty countries can't handle the pressure, throw up their hands and give up (or 'surrender' if you will) their problems so that the rest of Europe takes the strain instead that's fine by me. It just makes the countries that do welcome refugees look better, and enforces national stereotypes about the type of country that give up easily.
Ikr, all that fucking white guilt man it's the only reason we take in migrants. Like all that white guilt that led us to allow Irish migration last century, and that white guilt that would've led us to take on Scottish migrants if they'd fucked up the whole independence thing. It's inconceivable to some blinkered nationalists that sometimes people take on migrants and refugees cos it's the right thing to do, or at the very least because public opinion is swinging that way.
If you need to justify right wing extremism by saying ''we're the only ones *man* enough to say what everyone's thinking but are too restricted by white guilt to say'', then that's just pure lol. Here's the flip-side; we're the only ones rational and humane enough to not guard our little patch of dirt like we're scared the tribe next door will steal all our cattle and take all our women if we let them in. Some retarded nationals seem to have the world all figured out: 'I have nice things now, and refugees have shit lives. That means if we give refugees nice things my life must become shit!', cos y'know, it's not possible for more than one person to have nice things.
Not sure why this discussion is even still happening though, the Daily Mail called it at least a week ago when 'Europe Collapsed'. Game over. All you nationals were right, Europe collapsed a few weeks ago and i for one feel that my life has taken a noticeable turn for the worse ever since, i guess you can all say 'i told you so'. Sure is a shame that Europe is gone... also RIP my national identity and culture, they both died suddenly last week too so y'know, that's a shame.
Lots of complaining but I have yet to see someone actually suggest a solution which checks in with reality.
The difference between Christianity and Islam is that for the vast majority of Christians, Christianity is a belief in belief (http://lesswrong.com/lw/i4/belief_in_belief/), while for a lot of Muslims, Islam is an actual belief. Hence the difference in how they treat and react to their respective holy texts.
Why is that our problem? Why should it be? Fuck your neo-White Man's Burden.
Above works fine imo. Helping fuckton of random people from god knows where relocate permanently wherever they like is not a permanent, good solution. Its a really shit, rash decision to avoid being talked badly about by the rest of the world and not stapled as a nazi.
The fact that we are helping fuckton of random people from random places relocate wherever they like, has also attracted a lot of economic migrants from even the furthest places of Africa.
Han chauvinism (Chinese: s 大汉族主义, t 大漢族主義, p Dà Hànzú zhǔyì) is a term coined by Mao Zedong in 1956 to criticize ethnocentrism among the majority Han people of China. In his speech, titled Ten Major Relations, Mao stated that "on the relationship between the Han nationality and the minority nationalities.... we put the emphasis on opposing Han chauvinism."[1] This anti-chauvinistic idea is part of the People's Republic of China's zhonghua minzu conception of China as a multi-ethnic nation, both historically and in the present, which includes not only the Han but also 56 ethnic minorities. This is expressed in the constitution of the People's Republic of China, which states that China is a "unitary [multiethnic] state created jointly by the people of all its nationalities" and that "it is necessary to combat big [ethnic group] chauvinism, mainly Han chauvinism, and to combat local [ethnic] national[ist] chauvinism."[2]
The PRC's notions of Han chauvinism and China as a multicultural state have been subject to criticism. One critical view is that the Han Chinese "are less homogeneous than official policy recognizes."[2] Zhonghua minzu has been criticized as an invention of the 20th century, and was only adopted by the Communist Party to criticize the failures of the rival Kuomintang, which officially promoted zhonghua minzu as part of its nationalist ideology, but was unable to implement successful reforms that benefited minorities.[3]
The sinicization of Tibet is a term used by some critics of Chinese rule in Tibet to refer to the cultural assimilation that have occurred in Tibetan areas of China (including Tibet Autonomous Region and surrounding Tibetan-designated autonomous areas) which have made these areas more closely resemble mainstream Chinese society. They say that these changes have been most evident since the incorporation of Tibet into the People's Republic of China in 1950/51 and have been facilitated by a broad range of active economic, social, cultural and political reforms introduced to Tibetan areas by the Chinese Government over the last six decades. Critics also point to the government-sponsored migration of large numbers of Han Chinese into the Tibet Autonomous Region as a major component of sinicization.
The government of Tibet in exile alleges that the consequence of Chinese policies is the disappearance of certain elements of Tibetan culture, which has sometimes been very controversially termed "cultural genocide".[1][2] It says that these policies intend to make Tibet an integral part of China in order to control any desire for Tibetan self-determination.
On the other hand, the Chinese government argues that its policies have been highly beneficial to Tibet and that any cultural and social changes are the inevitable consequences of modernization. It says that Tibet's economy has expanded and that improved basic services and infrastructure projects have led to significant improvement in quality of living among Tibetans, while the Tibetan language and culture have been protected.
Well I don't see any countries where "dark skin" is the majority where this allegedly beneficial and incredibly profitable scheme is underway, interestingly enough despite all the claims of some sort of "global" movement of cultural exchanges the only places where they seem promoted and encouraged by governments is in the West. You honestly think the chinese are sitting around thinking "hmmm, all those mongolian and manchu foreigners coming in and ruling despotically over China were so fantastic, so much cultural exchange and enrichment, we should immediately import millions of malaysians for another boost"? You think Han chinese don't have a stake in remaining the dominant ethnicity in such a "multicultural" country, one that become such because the Han ruled over these disparate ethnicities as overlords for centuries? You don't think they're trying to "homogenize" China as much as possible? What are happening to these ethnic enclaves, exactly? Aren't they being drowned in massive interor chinese migrations, a move similar to the russian resettlements of the 19th and 20th? You think China gives a flying shit about Tibet and Xinjiang minorities, much less some fucking africans on the other side of the world?
If you think selling McDonald's and Batman movies and crass consumerism is more than enough of a reason to literally sell out your people's past and most importantly their future, more power to you. I thought I was a cynical realist, but there you have it, the only purpose of our civilization is to sell stupid shit and dissapear in order to paradoxically spread itself, through some vague and unexplained mechanism, apparently mere exposure to our superior modern ways are enough, just cry equality, individualism, competition, and liberty enough and these self-evidently right ideals will spontaneously be adopted. Because that's exactly what history has shown.
It serves our purposes to convince others to embrace these ideals, since we no longer live in a world that allows for direct colonialism and other obvious means of exploitation. You want neighbors you can reason with, after all, and it's easier to do that when there's an exchange that positively affects you.
This isn't motivated by guilt; it's simple self promotion.
The more people speak English, the easier it is for me to sell them tickets to Batman movies. The more Muslims practice their religion like many Christians practice theirs in developed countries, the easier it is to predict, interact with, and profit from Muslims.
And yes, I would sell out my people's past in a heartbeat. I don't believe in being held back by something as random as birth any more than I have to. There's a key difference between developed countries that have migrants who cluster into enclaves and countries that have migrants that are assimilated within a generation or two, and I believe the latter is incredibly useful for introducing a larger pool to draw from. Especially highly-skilled migrants.
In a war of ideas, it's important to acknowledge that people tend to listen more to people they think are like themselves. If you're going to be a global power, why should your citizenry be limited to it's 'natives' when human history is full of peoples smashing against each other, blending, and reconstituting into new groups that give themselves mythologies that state they've always been one people?
Near as I can tell, a miraculous melting pot, whose sole consequences is a "war of ideas" as vastly different cultures tentatively merge with each other in one gloriously fragmented hodgepodge of various influxes, then the real magic happens and a beautiful new butterfly will emerge from this cocoon of universal understanding, encompassing every possible variation of human thought and culture and ethnicity in one glorious new civilization, that I have no doubt will usher in a golden era of kindness and prosperity and gumdrops falling from the sky. Ok some of that might have been from Casimir.
We're not unifying european cultures and nations by importing hundreds of thousands, millions of people from places outside of europe, from places whose only historical relation to europe has been as enemy or as resentful occupied colony. I don't see how that is hard to understand. I was a fan of the EU, when the pretense was still that this was the idea. Quite clearly that is not the case.
Like I said, if your country cant handle it then just admit that you have shit infrastructure, a shit economy and shit morality and that's fine. You can then continue as a beacon of modernity.
Y'know what else is a really beautiful sentiment? 'I love my country/heritage, so get the fuck out'. Or, 'I'm the only sane man in a world gone mad'. Or, 'we're the only ones courageous enough to say what everyone's secretly thinking'. You're spewing far more ideological rubbish than me in this thread.
My 'sentiment' was the direct reverse of your retarded nationalistic sentiment and it was there to make a point, this was clearly lost on you since you seem to guzzle up self-righteous patriotic drivel like some sort of nationalistic cum-dumpster. Anyone can make those sweeping noble claims about their particular political outlook, it's not hard to so.
Tens of thousands of poor, underage native british girls, deliberately targetted because they were native british, raped and treated like kuffr whores. [...]Source, please.
Source, please.
[...]You ruined it with that part above.
There's articles if you know where to look, but I'm afraid only on evil "racist" "nationalist" websites, since of course mainstream media only very quickly passed over it, didn't feel like dwelling on it for some unfathomable reason, no idea what it could be.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandalWow. I love how the Pakis keep getting referred to as "Asians" by the politicians and and LE involved. That's got to be willful misdirection, no one thinks of Pakistan when someone mentions Asians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aylesbury_sex_gang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banbury_sex_gang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peterborough_sex_abuse_case
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telford_sex_gang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_sex_gang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_sex_gang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derby_sex_gang
There's articles if you know where to look, but I'm afraid only on evil "racist" "nationalist" websites, since of course mainstream media only very quickly passed over it, didn't feel like dwelling on it for some unfathomable reason, no idea what it could be.
Wow. I love how the Pakis keep getting referred to as "Asians" by the politicians and and LE involved. That's got to be willful misdirection, no one thinks of Pakistan when someone mentions Asians.Yea, I stumbled over that too. Kinda silly.
Hargey blames the agencies of the state, including the police, social services and the care system, who ″seemed eager to ignore the sickening exploitation that was happening before their eyes. Terrified of accusations of racism, desperate not to undermine the official creed of cultural diversity, they took no action against obvious abuse."
In the same newspaper, journalist Allison Pearson claimed that "fear of racism" had allowed sex crimes against white girls by Pakistani Muslims to become a serious problem not only in Oxford but throughout the country. She described the Pakistani Muslim community as "essentially a Victorian society that has landed like Doctor Who's Tardis on a liberal, permissive planet it despises".[16]
Wow. I love how the Pakis keep getting referred to as "Asians" by the politicians and and LE involved. That's got to be willful misdirection, no one thinks of Pakistan when someone mentions Asians.mb cos pakistan is located in South Asia?
mb cos pakistan is located in South Asia?No shit, retard. I'm not surprised you're incapable of thinking beyond that obvious fact.
The fact that you had to ask for sources for the thousands of raped native british girls targetted by "asian" gangs that see them as nothing more than kuffr slaves, something that has happened for decades and was uncovered as recently as two years ago, just very, VERY briefly talked about and touched on in the mainstream media, and not for the two retards provoking massive riots through their idiotic involuntary suicide, something that happened even longer ago, that seems perfectly normal to you?Actually, I remembered something about an incident like that but I wasn't aware that it happened more often.
No shit, retard. I'm not surprised you're incapable of thinking beyond that obvious fact.Yep for me its just a fact and not a conspiracy of media and politicians to pumped ethnic hatred
Yep for me its just a fact and not a conspiracy of media and politicians to pumped ethnic hatredIf anyone that isn't Russian is confused about why it's retarded they keep getting referred to as "Asians", I'll be happy to elucidate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_people
Actually, I remembered something about an incident like that but I wasn't aware that it happened more often.
On the other hand, I don't pay much attention to international news really, so it is likely that I simply skipped the articles about it.
Yep for me its just a fact and not a conspiracy of media and politicians to pumped ethnic hatred
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_people
Asia is such a gigantic continent that saying "asian" is fucking meaningless. Yeah I'm sure it's the fucking Tibetan sex gangs who see kuffr girls as free game for sexual slavery.
http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?448913-Muslims-can-have-sex-with-female-slaves-(Kaniz-in-Persian)
Please read through this forum regularly, it is fantastic. Keep in mind these are english speaking residents of the UK, the ideological zeitgeist you find on arabic speaking forums is even more pronounced.
"Ummah.com, formerly known as the Islamic Gateway, is a website best known for the Ummah Forum, a large English internet forum for Muslims. As of June 2013 the forum has over 70,000 members.
Ummah.com is based in the UK, as are the majority of its voluntary contributors and active forum users. The Ummah forum membership is mainly composed of Muslims of Pakistani and Indian origin residing in the United Kingdom."
Muslims can have sex with female slaves (Kaniz in Persian)
US soldiers used to rape Iraqi women and boys during the war, are you gonna ignore that? So are Israeli soldiers. This is how wars work.
Holy fucking shit. It's the same defense as the Russians give for whatever shit they do, but they take it one step further.
1. United States (satan)
It's because they are godless, immoral kaffirs who are no better then cattle. This is the result of forgetting Allah and not being guided. They think no one is watching them and they are free to rape and plunder about. Kind of reminds of the extreme animalistic nature of Anglo-Saxons and their love for all things violence. Sick bunch of people I must say.
They are worse then animals. Animals have desires and no real intelligence to decide right from wrong. Kaffirs do therefore they are below animals. Animals are angels compared to savage, barbaric kaffirs.
Of course you haven't heard of it before, you've never had the intellectual curiosity to look for it, even though it's been right at your fingertips this entire time.
http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?451452-Why-do-so-many-christians-and-non-muslims-rapeWhat really gets me is the cognitive dissonance. These people say all these things about "kaffirs", yet fail to acknowledge the fact that Muslims are over-represented in rape statistics and gang rapes are common in their home countries. Not to mention all the other fun stuff, like fucking little boys (an Afghani pastime). It must take some impressively fast mental footwork to avoid thinking about all of that.
This is another good one, a whole thread devoted to how kuffr are all godless rapists.
So why aren't all the countries (UK, Sweden) in which these continual rapes by immigrants are happening do anything about it, i.e. deportation? US did a "nice" job with Salvadorians deporting them all back home making El Slavador and Honduras a shithole in the process but all convicted gang members were sent back home. So what are the laws in the UK, also the fact that corrupt police officers are covering up those crimes still doesn't make all the asylum seekers rapists and drug traffickers, sure those crimes are loud and shocking but what are the real percentage of immigrants commiting these crimes, there are way more people living a decent life having integrated in the society or are they.Because anyone trying to be harsh on them would be called out as racist. And that's like the "Go directly to jail, do not pass go" card in politics.
We are indeed living in difficult times the likes we have not seen before, the paris attacks were a hoax the world leader marching with the, "french" was a sham also. Wake up people, we are living in an illusion. Do no succumb to their lies fear allah (swt) they may plan, but know that Allah is the best of planners.
Muslims who commit acts of violence against non-Muslims still are terrorists. They are just terrorists to the west. Not to Muslims though. So we shouldn't be worried.
Like sheikh Osama was a terrorist. A terrorist to the US and the west. Not to Muslims. You are a terrorist to someone. Don't see why we get all crazy over the word. It's not a bad thing really, when you are fighting the enemies of Islam.
QuoteResistance against a civilian victims? That is who is mostly killed.
That depends on who you call or define as an innocent/civilian.
Are shia military soldiers/israeli soldiers/assad fighters etc civilian?
I believe muslims did not cause the 9/11 attacks and I'm not alone in this belief.
Some family members of 9/11 also do not think it was muslims and they just want the truth.
There's soooo many overwhelming evidences and it's all over the internet that those twin towers couldn't have come down they way it was being portrayed
And I even posted a thread on a debate going on in a clip in youtube about this. A BBC news woman was filming live how a building behind her had collapsed and it wasn't due to collapse for another half an hour. Strange innit.
9/11 is not even a number associated with Arabs. That's the American emergency number and it's pretty ironic it was carried out that day. Muslims don't have the same calender as you do.
They have a lunar calender that's more relevant to them. They would have chosen a day to mark some islamic event/incident if that was the case.
Plus you know as I always love to say they plan and they plot and Allah too plans and Allah is the best of planners
Since 9/11 America's citizens have have started embracing Islam more so than ever before, esp. The women and although Islam is being portrayed as a terrorist religion, the west is gladly leaving their previous faith and accepting Islam
So you can't fight against Allah and hope to win.
So why aren't all the countries (UK, Sweden) in which these continual rapes by immigrants are happening do anything about it, i.e. deportation? US did a "nice" job with Salvadorians deporting them all back home making El Slavador and Honduras a shithole in the process but all convicted gang members were sent back home. So what are the laws in the UK, also the fact that corrupt police officers are covering up those crimes still doesn't make all the asylum seekers rapists and drug traffickers, sure those crimes are loud and shocking but what are the real percentage of immigrants commiting these crimes, there are way more people living a decent life having integrated in the society or are they.
If terrorism is your one fear that's one thing.
If instead you believe the only conceivable reason to accept migrants is 'white guilt' or 'sense of obligation' then that's something else entirely. Since the points i'm arguing against seem to be in favour of the latter this is the line i'm pursuing.
Since you guys love to spew your bullshit I'll do it too. Radical Islam didn't grow out of nothing. It is American invention, to keep middle East in constant state of war, so USA can exploit oil and dictate global prices. That way controlling world's economy. Took me two seconds to come with this crap and another ten to find internet links to back up my extraordinary claims (Google search: radical islam american invention).
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/09/19/how-the-us-helped-create-al-qaeda-and-isis/
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/04/25/tony-blair-and-radical-islam/
Being an idiot is incredibly easy. And worst kind of idiot is the one who believes he knows something, who thinks his shitty opinion are solid facts.
Over 90% of our oil comes from Saudi Arabia and Venezuela, the US does not need Iraqi or Syrian oil. There's no doubt that US policy unintentionally had a part in the creation of ISIS, but so did the actions of Assad, Maliki, Turkey and the Russians.
Syria is more important to Russia and Turkey than the United States, this conflict of interests is why we have been largely on the sidelines except to give air support to the Kurds who are trying to close the boarder between ISIS and Turkey, to stop them from smuggling oil into Turkey to make their war funds.
Russia wants to prevent Syrian oil from going to Turkey and Europe, which will lower the value of Russia's lead export, oil, so if anyone is playing the oil game it is Russia, not the United States. This is the only reason Russia would chose to defend a dictator who has been denounced by the entire international community at all costs, which is a losing bet in the long run for sure. The United States is not an exporter of oil in any meaningful way.
Please read through this forum regularly, it is fantastic. Keep in mind these are english speaking residents of the UK, the ideological zeitgeist you find on arabic speaking forums is even more pronounced.
You're a cunt for linking to that forum, I've spent the last thirty minutes reading some of their glorious arguments about atheism and evolution. There are some actually intelligent members there, non-Muslims, who bring science on the table, but they just get told to repent and believe in Allah because it's stupid not to. When they're not busy calling people kaffirs and such, of course.
Eh, I read through this forum and I stumble across the likes of Tovi, Panos, Materia, Smoothrich or whatever was the name of that straight up neo-Nazi German dude. Besides, who the hell would visit an Internet forum which is specifically for Muslims, if not someone who takes religion seriously? I'm pretty sure the retardation comes with the same package. Doesn't excuse anything of course.
Unlike people with more far-right tendencies?
On the plus side, Panos' post marks a benchmark, 900 posts in this thread!!! Who will claim number 1000?
http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-34338691It's ok though, the pen is mightier than the sword. Remember the Charlie Hebdo attacks? Muslims tried to use violence to stop CH from ridiculing their prophet and where did that get them? The people rose up, Je Suis Charlie! Freedom of speech, bitches!
Look at those priviledged euphoric hipster neckbeards trying to reinforce the cis-white patriarchic hegemony by daring to not be gullible 13th century barbarians. Those poor opressed muslims who must deal with vilification and "racism" day in and day out, my heart goes out to them. Truly the overwhelming number of edgy "atheist" shitlords on the internet is a growing problem, these deliberately offensive people are the flip side of the islamic extremists and just as bad. A cutting remark about a pedophile warlord "prophet" can be just as damaging as a rusty machete. So many murders and terrorist attacks and people butchered on the street by these secular extremists, it is time to end the madness, they must recognize that their offensive propaganda is the equivalent of a bearded subhuman retard calling for the death and rape and conquest of all kaffir and total submission of everyone to their fucking backwards desert cult.
It's ok though, the pen is mightier than the sword. Remember the Charlie Hebdo attacks? Muslims tried to use violence to stop CH from ridiculing their prophet and where did that get them? The people rose up, Je Suis Charlie! Freedom of speech, bitches!
And then CH said they won't be drawing Prophet Muhammad ever again.
Of course, of course, anything else would be racist. As racist as what LePen said, that obviously merits a trial for "hate speech". Imagine if some poor innocent muslim had been provoked into commiting an involuntary act of violence because of it? The blood would be on her racist, racist hands.
Doesn't this violate some kind of traffic law in France?
blah blah blah http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=727&t=6, the US does not need Iraqi or Syrian oil ANYMORE."As of April 2013, US crude production was at a more than 20-year high, since the shale gas and tight oil boom" still...
Eh, I read through this forum and I stumble across the likes of Tovi, Panos, Materia, Smoothrich or whatever was the name of that straight up neo-Nazi German dude. Besides, who the hell would visit an Internet forum which is specifically for Muslims, if not someone who takes religion seriously? I'm pretty sure the retardation comes with the same package. Doesn't excuse anything of course.Yep I don't think any internet forum can be representativ of the real population, the world would be a pretty fucked place if forum.melee was representativ of the world population.
I have to agree with Xant here, it's actually a great read. That's what the Internet is for isn't it? The urge to go there and troll though.
It violates about a dozen laws, secular ones most of all, but nothing at all was done about it of course. Wouldn't want to provoke them you see. They could've started rioting and burning down cars and neighborhoods and assaulting random people, and then we'd be forced to recognize once more how awfully racist a society that forces these poor opressed people to commit such violence is.Hasn't it been banned?
"As of April 2013, US crude production was at a more than 20-year high, since the shale gas and tight oil boom" still...
Top five oil-importing countries:
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Yep I don't think any internet forum can be representativ of the real population, the world would be a pretty fucked place if forum.melee was representativ of the world population. Hasn't it been banned?
This is in Greece? There a lot of turkic shia in Greece? Looks like shia bloodletting, Ashura. Where are they supposed to be from?
The context is slightly different tbf. Your country isn't secular, it never even pretended to be. The orthodox church has been imbedded into government power ever since the rebellion and independence from the Ottomans, it was an integral part of it even. I'm guessing it's not against the law for orthodox rituals and religious parades and other religious public events?
Besides, who the hell would visit an Internet forum which is specifically for Muslims, if not someone who takes religion seriously? I'm pretty sure the retardation comes with the same package. Doesn't excuse anything of course.
I have to agree with Xant here, it's actually a great read. That's what the Internet is for isn't it? The urge to go there and troll though.
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Holy shit you're such an orthodoxophobe. Aren't you ashamed of your racism?
Dude, If only I could eradicate everything christian in Greece, I would be proud of myself.
Christianity has been a cancer for Greece, what many Greeks don`t know is that the biggest disasters that happened in Greeces history are alongside with christianity and the church one way or the other, and the epitomy of that of course is the destruction of Byz Emp, and the fall of Constantinople.
I really could go on and on for hours about how christianity and the church have harmed Greece over the last 1500 years, but lets focus our "racism" against the innocentgoat fuckersragheadsmuslims :lol:
The incident is the deadliest disaster at Mina since 1990, when 1,426 people died.
On September 11, just days before this year's Hajj started, a construction crane crashed through the roof of another eminent Hajj destination, the Grand Mosque in Mecca, killing 107 people. At least 238 others suffered injuries when a powerful storm toppled the crane.
Dude, your retardation level is beyond comprehension.
I`m not a ναζι, nor a fascist. Both ideologies have hurt my country, so calling me names its just makes you look stupid.
On the other hand, I`m a hardcore patriot and a hardcore proEuropean, I consider all of the European countries as my cousin, despite the fact that there was/is bad blood between Greece and some other EU countries. But quarells happen to every family so the EU is no different.
What I hate about people with left feelings the most, is how quickly the jump on conclusions and insults.
Wether you like it or not, most of the EU citizens will look at the muslims with suspicion, not because we are racists or xenophobic, but because the muslims have given us the right to be sceptic against them.
It`s easy to jump on the whole "you are a racist, while I`m a cool liberal with an open mind" wagon, especially when you live in a wealthy country like Belgium, and on a wealthy street, which I suppose you do.
I grew up on a country that was always mediocre, never rich nor poor, and I had the bad luck to grow up in one of the worst neighbors of Athens, amongst Albanians, Afghans, Pakistanis, Algerians and Gypsies, I have seen what they are capable off first hand.
If you are so humane, why the fuck don`t you leave the comforts of your life, move to Middle east or Africa, and help the people you seem to care for that much.
You talk the talk, but why you no walk the walk?
It was already against the law and banned when it happened, duh. If(when) it happens again, do you really think the law will be enforced by the police? Why would it be, when it wasn't the first time?
http://www.research-advisors.com/tools/SampleSize.htm
In 2011 there were 2,7 million self-identified muslims in the UK. A sample size of around 16K is enough for 99% confidence within a 1% margin of error, with those numbers. Are you saying that this website, apparently frequented almost entirely by UK resident muslims to the tune of 70k, even taking into account "foreign" posters and dead accounts and multiple accounts and such, is statistically insignificant? Do you want more? I could link you to some pashtun speaking forums for UK muslims, it's not any better. Again, if you think this is particularly "bad" you obviously do not frequent muslims a lot. That forum is filled with people actually daring to bring up such unislamic things as western science and morality and laws and not equate them automatically as the very works of satan itself, it is in fact filled with "moderate" muslims that would identify as such. Thinking there is a worldwide conspiracy led by decadent degenerate western kufr and their jewish puppet masters to unjustly paint muslims as violent terrorists is a mainstream, "moderate" muslim position. I encourage everyone to look into the reactions firsthand when the inevitable next terrorist attack hits somewhere in Europe, probably France again. At best you will be suject to a rant about the evils of international jewry on par with something out of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and 9/11 conspiracy theories on par with Leshma levels of investigation and research.
deport all Muslims
If they weren't suffering from so many cognitive dissonances already, I'd wonder how they can justify all these faithful of Allah dying in their most holy place when Allah is supposed to be omnipotent.
http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MTTIMIZ1&f=MYes because the oil industry in Irak was severly damaged by the war. Why US would have invested so much to rebuild this industry if it wasn't to get it? Oh my bad, I forgot about US compassion and benevolance, surely not for the 1'160'000 $/year of revenue (probably underdeclared) from US petrol companies.
The US consumes 9,000,000 barrels of oil a day, the largest amount of oil received from Iraq was 36,501 barrels for an entire month, in October 2001, two years before the war.
Thats not what muslims believe. They rather see it as god shortening their lives to they can be rewarded in the afterlife or something. You should look up what martyrdom and death in Islam is as it is quite different from other ideologies. Simply dying as a traveler can be a martyrs death in Islam. Some also say that the natural disasters in Pakistan some years ago was God giving the pious there a martyrs death (Dying from natural disaster can also be a martyrs death). But then again some say the tornadoes in America are due to their foreign policy against muslims. Makes no sense lol.
what a blessing!!!
may we be granted such deaths also ameeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen
i would rather die in mecca then die in the streets of the west
who wouldnt want to die and be burried in mecca i dont know whats going on with you brothers...
Idk, but isn't it haram to go Hajj, if the risk is 100% evident, just like jumping down a mountain?
On the authority of Abu Hamzah Anas bin Malik (may Allah be pleased with him) - the servant of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) - that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said :
It is interesting that you quoted OP and completely ignored this beauty posted by same author:
also this
stinks like a troll
9/11 debunked, people
How can you seriously write like this on the Internet? At least most of them add "swt", whatever that means.
Thats not what muslims believe. They rather see it as god shortening their lives to they can be rewarded in the afterlife or something. You should look up what martyrdom and death in Islam is as it is quite different from other ideologies. Simply dying as a traveler can be a martyrs death in Islam. Some also say that the natural disasters in Pakistan some years ago was God giving the pious there a martyrs death (Dying from natural disaster can also be a martyrs death). But then again some say the tornadoes in America are due to their foreign policy against muslims. Makes no sense lol.I know what the official word is, but it's obviously rationalization. The leaders need to get their sheep to get there to keep their power firm, to keep these people doing pointless rituals, so naturally they tell them that dying there is the quick path to heaven. But even for muslims that's a belief-in-belief, no one actually fucking believes that or they'd do their best to die ASAP, which they don't.
what can/should 'Europe' do at this stage (or the individual countries effected most, assuming 'Europe' is not some homogenous 'thing') now that they are faced with the reality of a large number of refugees on the doorstep.
It's strange really, daesh, the ethnoreligiously militant brutal SUNNI theocracy conducting all out genocides against yazidis and kurds and assyrians and shia's, and yet the refugees are almost universally sunni's. Where are all the yazidi refugees? They would have a damn good reason to get the fuck away from Syria, more than any sunni that's for sure.
A bunch of muslim majority countries were on the verge of becoming more or less "modern" by western standards during the Cold War. Sure, it might have been very superficial and ultimately failed, but the Arab pan-nationalism of Nasser and the Hashemites and yes, even Hussein, at the very very creation of the iraqi B'aath party, was much more compatible with western ambitions for a truly interconnected world where, as expressed so eloquently further up in the thread by Kalam, we would be able to sell shit and spread our "self-evidently" superior political and moral code. Realpolitiks and pupeteering and "solutions" applied at a "global level" is what created this problem in the first place. I don't believe NATO or the USSR bear sole responsability, OPEC literally holding the world economy hostage is the only reason these fucking open sores of festering proselytizing theocracies are considered "allies" in the first place, and to be fair the entire societies from the bottom up were and still are operating on the same basic models they have operated on for centuries, i.e base tribalism on an ethnic and religious level. The sad thing is the House of Saud, as much as they are maligned, are actually much more "progressive" and tolerant than the vast majority of the people they rule over. This isn't going to change through western intervention, soft or otherwise. I know you apparently think the West is so incredibly wealthy and powerful it can overwrite reality on a mere whim if it is politically convenient to do so, but the change is only going to come from within. The failed Arab Spring "rebellions", cheerleaded blatantly by western media as eruptions of "freedom" and "liberty" and coopted almost immediately by islamic extremists on every front, have shown that clearly, if the failed afghan and iraqi occupations, devolving into civil war and ethnic cleansing, weren't enough of a hint.
Long term solution for me would be to work towards ending dependency on fossil fuels, particularly the ones whose sources are largely dictatorial totalitarian states that oppose everything we supposedly stand for (pretty much all of them), then we could stop pretending backwards shitholes whose policies are designed to hurt us like Saudi Arabia are anything but that instead of giving them the head of human rights seats on the UN. It's partly the reason I am so pro-nuclear, but also pro any other alternative form of energy as long as it is an efficient and workable solution. Yeah yeah green planet and all that, but the political implications of being "free" from oil and gas (never completely of course, always industrial processes that will need it, but at least reduce the need for it elsewhere) are of much more relevant and immediate interest.
I don't see why it is Europe's responsability, or why it should be. They aren't our people. You know how so many muslims are so supportive of palestinian rights, and rightly call out the flagrant abuses of the IDF and settlers, to the point that there are demonstrations and organizations and occasional riots over it, all over Europe, constantly, yet that same fervour is strangely missing when it comes to the much more horrible abuses of the many, many more yazidis and assyrians and other minorities being genocided by Daesh? Or the "pure" black subsaharans being treated like subhumans by eastern african arabs, don't hear much about that constant, simmering ethnic conflict either. Well, it's like that. I have no tribal, cultural, or other attachment to the refugees, and don't see why Europe should be their first options as a supposed refuge from war. If that is the intention, there are literally dozens of countries on the way where there is no war. Obviously that is not their primary purpose then, mere refuge from war.
Kek, dont like finland because its cold, wants to go to sweden because its surely a lot hotter here. Unless they get into the very southern sweden, like Malmö, but that city is already 25% immigrants so thats tough. Instead they are getting put in our villages up north near me, which can get really cold.I hope for stronk winter 8-)
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150923/1027376480/finland-refugees-video.html (http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150923/1027376480/finland-refugees-video.html)
Not sure if all of this is actually true^, funny if it is, but it cant be..
Yet you live in nice Parisian neighborhood. Kettle calling pot black...
I ain't sheltered you prick. When I was in bloody Vienna, felt like I was on another planet where people were trained to behave like cattle. People were so calm and minded their own business, even those "brown" ones. Not a single raised voice. Aggression nowhere to be seen. They probably have no clue what crime is.
During last week five kids were shot some hundred meters from place I live. On the same spot, without working street lights (probably another thing never happened in Vienna for longer than an hour). They stab each other regularly. I'm used to crime and aggressive human behavior. These migrants are strange people, because I've expected them to be more aggressive. They are nothing compared to Serbians. Hell if there wasn't constant threat of another NATO bombing, people in here would probably riot and beat the shit of them migrants for no good reason. But they have to play nice...
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xvks2p_racaille-feminine-insulte-la-police-et-la-france_news
14 year old girls going on a raciste diatribe after being arrested, I'm sure just because they are poor victims of french racism. Gee, I wonder where they might have gotten it from. Absolutely not a cultural thing at all I'm sure, not being taught by their families and parents. Tell me again, who is hateful here? Who is the racist? Where is the violence coming from? Can you imagine if the inverse happened, a 14 year old french girl going on a racist diatribe against maghrebins?
Poor naif woman police officer is shocked, the man just doesn't give a fuck, he hears this shit day in and day out.
Sorry for double posting
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This picture was taken last week, and everyone here in Greece was in frenzy, "WE MUST HELP THE POOR IMMIGRANTS, THEY ARE OUR FRIENDS"
and then, one week later, BAAAAAAAM right in the feelings!
Yes I admit it, I`m enjoying this! Right in the feels of every leftistcunt:lol:
Funny story that is now getting viral in Greece, I will post a link at English as soon I find one.
Greek family took at their home a Syrian family of 5 (2 parents - 3 kids) they gave them food, shelter for 2 weeks, and yesterday the syrians stole 3000 euros from them and left Greece for Sopja :lol:
Oh man, you gotta love how karma works
Whos Greek and Syrian in the photo? Can't really tell them apart.
their crime
Yeah, I definetely think the males should be decapitated with a rusty knife or otherwise summarily executed then their corpses crucified as a warning to others and their women and children enslaved and sold.
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Oh, Germans. I wonder when they'll get over their little WW2 misadventures.
On the other hand I can`t help but feel sorry for the Germans, silly Germans, for how long will you let the guilt of the past dictate your lives?
Oh, Germans. I wonder when they'll get over their little WW2 misadventures.
When you want something of Germany or you want to make them look bad, you point out of their past, really cheap tactic, and whats even worse is that there are Germans that promote this aswell.
I don`t agree with many things that the German government does, especially when it comes to my country, but hitting them on their weakest point is really lame.
"OH THE chocolate chip cookieZ STARTED A WAR , 85 YEARS LATER, THE GERMAN WOMEN SHOULD LET THEMSELVES TO BE FUCKED FROM ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS FOR REPARATIONS"
Ironically, the ones that the Germans should help as a repayment for the war, is Poland, Russia, France, Greece and Israel.
Other than that is plain bullshit.
The parallel people usually draw is the US, and the way it can integrate immigrants much better than Europe. Do you think this is due to the lack of patriotism and nationalism in americans? Or the exact opposite?
The parallel people usually draw is the US, and the way it can integrate immigrants much better than Europe. Do you think this is due to the lack of patriotism and nationalism in americans? Or the exact opposite?
The parallel people usually draw is the US, and the way it can integrate immigrants much better than Europe. Do you think this is due to the lack of patriotism and nationalism in americans? Or the exact opposite?US have not even intergated/assimilated blacks that have been freed more than 100 years ago....To be more fair, I would say that US tends to integrate people quickly (usually done during a lifetime), while EU tends to assimilate them but it takes more time (1-2 generation).
Kebab removal program incomming shortly :twisted:
are the authorities telling them to stay there? seems odd.
Autharcism has always been shown to have bad effect across history, it tends to slow the progress of a society, like Japan before it was forced to open its border. And as for tribalism, sub-saharian Africa is an amazing demonstration of its great benefits!
While on the opposite, empire open to diversity have often been some of the greatest like the Mughal or the Omeyyades.
I don't have any exemple of society collapsing because of its open-mindness while so many great and wealthy nations fell because of division and tribalism.
The thing I fear and dislike with this immigrants is their tribalism. It's the only reason why I think we should accept them only in reasonable number (way less than what we have already accepted), so we can integrate them proprely and make them lose their tribal reflex.
US have not even intergated/assimilated blacks that have been freed more than 100 years ago....To be more fair, I would say that US tends to integrate people quickly (usually done during a lifetime), while EU tends to assimilate them but it takes more time (1-2 generation).
And for once, I will agree with grytviken financial independence leads to better integration.
Affirmative action was put in place to try and fix some of these problems. Racial quotas are issued to promote diversity, Example: if a University hasn't accepted a certain percentage of minorities, the admission requirements can be lowered to take more in. Everyone has the same opportunities, and no-one is forced to integrate. You can find a job and live comfortably without ever fluently speaking English.
Affirmative action is actually ruining integration though. Everyone has the same opportunities, except the minorities privileged by such racist legislation.
seems odd.
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Find it hard to believe this seems odd to you. Isn't there plenty of homes in USA that are built on top of Indian graveyards?
So you're saying you think it is still the only reasonable, rational and moral option even though it is also most likely doomed to failure.
are the authorities telling them to stay there? seems odd.
Very simple. If I'm not mistaken this is from Croatia and that is an orthodox christian cemetery tadaaaa. Croatia is a catholic country and Serbia is an orthodox country, so nobody gives a fuck. (history lesson: imagine 2 neighboring countries, basically same tribe even speak the same language but over the centuries conquered by different empires and separated by religion, add a pinch of hundreds of years of wars between them and all sorts of political disputes and it all makes sense now)
Hilarious. I'm sure if it were 1 million chechen refugees it would be the exact same situation and not at all handled differently.
"In the nearby republic of Ingushetia, at the peak of the refugee crisis after the start of the Second Chechen War in 2000, estimated 240,000 refugees almost doubled the Ingushetia's pre-war population of 300,000 (350,000 including the refugees from the Ingush-Ossetian conflict) and resulting in an epidemy of tuberculosis.[2] Estimated 325,000 was the total number of people that have entered Ingushetia as refugees in the first year of the Second Chechen War.[3] Some 185,000 were in the republic already by November 1999[4] and 215,000 lived in Ingushetia by June 2000.[3] In October 1999 the border with Ingushetia was closed down by the Russian military and a refugee convoy bombed after being turned away.
Thousands of them were pressured to return by the Russian military already in December 1999,[5] and the refugee camps were forcibly closed after 2001 by the new Chechen government of President Akhmad Kadyrov and the new Ingush government of President Murat Zyazikov.[6] About 180,000 Chechens remained in Ingushetia by February 2002[7] and 150,000 by June 2002, most of them housed in a "tent city" camps, abandoned farms and factories and disused trains, or living with sympathetic families.[8] As of early 2007, less than 20,000 Chechens remained in Ingushetia and many of them were expected to integrate locally rather than return to Chechnya."
Glorious rusky tolerance, much kinder than those degenerate western zionist weakling bundle of stickss who are also paradoxically dangerous hateful racist neo-chocolate chip cookie. The "1 million" refugees being largely russian speaking people who identify wholeheartedly as russian is completely irrelevant, clearly.
Glorious rusky tolerance,Fuck tolerance. Tolerance has got Europe and the US in the idiotic position in which each first monkey can spit in your face and then accuse u in racism. :o
developers got me before the KGB )
Don't tell him too much info Oberyn, we can't afford to lose anymore crpg players to the KGB.
Fuck tolerance. Tolerance has got Europe and the US in the idiotic position in which each first monkey can spit in your face and then accuse u in racism. :odevelopers got me before the KGB )
800k "refugees" for Germany this year alone (200k, hahahahaha),link pls eurostat provide only info for q1 q2 2015 and its far farway from dat numbers http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/2995521/6996925/3-18092015-BP-EN.pdf/b0377f79-f06d-4263-aa5b-cc9b4f6a838f so if u have link just share it pls :o
I can only conclude, as always, that you are an inept troll and your primary purpose is gloating at anything you perceive as detrimental to the "west", like a good little Pravda drone.Relax you one step from the homeschooled American child , a little more and you start to post links to the Holodomor from Wikipedia :o
You didn't answer Oberyns question. How would russia treat one million chechens or afghanis if one million came to your borders?In those days I do not know, because our president has been a champion of democracy and loved by USA - Yeltsin. Today, probably as well as with the Ukrainians. Refugee camps, transfer to remote areas with the provision of work if agreed, if within 3-4 months refugee refused all proposals for work, send him home.
Here the most likely course of action is that many will live in the same shadow status that tens of thousands of other illegal immigrants already live in, mostly concentrated in densely populated urban areas....Yep we even have name for dat area - Moscow metropolitan area... never ever not walk in Mytishchi
You ever wonder why all our monkeys are in cages called 'Zoos'? This exact reason, no more bomber monkeys
Since 1918 no single monkey has run free in the UK with a view to bombing the public, the system works. Whilst I hear Russians like you talking about this huge problem with 'bomb monkeys'? Why don't you just build more Zoos? It's not exactly rocket science - if you give monkeys freedom to swing from branches in public and also give them explosives the conclusion is obvious.(click to show/hide)
What is this with you and this constant silly bashing of USA?
Or create a law when the one who gets shot has to prove he wasn't looking aggressiv else the shooter is free, wait that has already been implemented somewhere....
Only if it's made legal to do so, otherwise the trigger-man has volunteered to get a bullet in the face from his fellow countryman for breaking the law. Then the man that shoots him has also broken the law... and so forth.
I think Russia should implement this policy, it would solve many problems. We could then send all our refugees to live a glorious life in the newly-emptied Russia, big place, can take millions of refugees. All we need is for the Russians to commit genocide against themselves first... *looks at watch*
you broke Google translator.
I mean, that stop bombing homes in Syria, send to Syria, Turkey, etc. all the money that is now spent on barriers for refugees (fences, military, naval patrols, etc.) for recovery / construction of new homes on the coast. Arrested and deported anyone who violated the rule of law.
I'm not bashing USA. Just specific players who are from USA and I find them annoying (cup457, Salad_Fork, AntiBlitz, Anders etc). NA servers have a lot of players, most of them aren't complete idiots. But those who are idiots tend to share their faulty belief system completely detached from reality in discussions like these. And they have their EU counterparts in Warlord, Oberyn, maybe Panos (never sure trolling or not) etc. People like myself, Xant, Berenger and Kafein are here for shits and giggles, nothing more. Because taking seriously what nazi wannabes say is just as hard as taking words of an average crank (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crank_(person)) into consideration by scientific community.
Naval patrols ? Like what ? These fuckers allow to enter EU borders by any ship/pontoon with hordes of "young and brave fighters for freedom of their countries" from Turkey or North Africa.not a single ship or boat not slipped past them, they intercept each of them and then carry them to Europe))
not a single ship or boat not slipped past them, they intercept each of them and then carry them to Europe))
I'm not bashing USA. Just specific players who are from USA and I find them annoying (cup457, Salad_Fork, AntiBlitz, Anders etc). NA servers have a lot of players, most of them aren't complete idiots. But those who are idiots tend to share their faulty belief system completely detached from reality in discussions like these. And they have their EU counterparts in Warlord, Oberyn, maybe Panos (never sure trolling or not)
People like myself, Xant, Berenger and Kafein are here for shits and giggles, nothing more.
why am i being brought up? i havent posted anything that serious on these forums in like two years, Im sure youll dig your way through my posts tho.
LOL, trust me, they arent standing in your corner.
im not a nazi cookie because
1. im not german im american
2. im not a socialist
Just a daily reminder that socialism is a failure. With a population of 33 million, California is now the world's 7th largest economy surpassing Russia, Brazil, India and Italy.
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California is a socialistic Republic.
socialism is an economic policy not a government type. all a constitutional republic refers to is how leaders are elected. also cali is a shithole and only has a large economy because pf silicon valley and other massive multinational have headquarters there. also chocolate chip cookie means national socialism in english and while i am a national i am not a socialist. so i dont give a fuck what misconstrued definition you have, its wrong
socialism is an economic policy not a government type. all a constitutional republic refers to is how leaders are elected. also cali is a shithole and only has a large economy because pf silicon valley and other massive multinational have headquarters there. also chocolate chip cookie means national socialism in english and while i am a national i am not a socialist. so i dont give a fuck what misconstrued definition you have, its wrong
NSDAP purged any remaining elements of socialism (the variant I think you're referring to) in the SA during the Night of the Long Knives (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives), putting the revolution firmly on the side of the economic establishment.
But the SA basically began as organized thugs fighting communists in the streets, Der Führer absolutely hated the socialist and communist ideologies, and a major theme of the fascist states was to fight socialism.
By other definitions it's virtually impossible to find any political system without some degree of socialism.
The perception of the chocolate chip cookies as "socialists", as if that was the primary economic feature of their rule and not the topdown free market driven subsidized corporatism backed by the government, especially when it came to any industry essential to military power (sounds familiar, hmmm) is a uniquely american (rightwing) meme. A relic from Cold War paranoia, but there's also the implication that there's no such thing as an obvious dangerous "endgame" for rightwing extremism in the US, since they lay both the commies and the chocolate chip cookies at the footstep of the left. Right and left here meaning on an american political axis.
If "socialism" is merely the exploitation by the duly established authority of those under it's responsability by contract and convention, there has never been any form of government that was not "socialist", the US included.
It's not like this stuff is any mystery, there has been a lot of scholarship on the subject. Read into the Preussentum und Sozialismus(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preussentum_und_Sozialismus) philosophy that spawned the chocolate chip cookies, or more generally the Conservative Revolutionary Movement at the end of WW1 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Revolutionary_movement).
Americans talking about "socialism" is always funny.
This is actually what I've been thinking too. Inheriting wealth and not having to lift a finger in your whole life is the cancer. There is a whole caste of "professional sons". Instead successful people should be able choose projects (for the "Greater Good") where to spent the majority of their accumulated wealth at the end of their lifes (or earlier). That could be science, infrastructure, public buildings - or a fcking moon base for all I care.
I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to inherit stuff in general but being rich or poor should depend on your skills and work ethic and not on your daddy.
Some EU countries have up to a 52% income tax rate. When all is said and done do you even have much left to take to the grave with you? :lol: Between the higher taxes and lower wages compared to the US for higher income higher education jobs you are getting screwed both ways. Sure there are benefits to living in Europe, but they sure aren't free.Well, in reality there are so many holes in the tax laws that it boils down to "The more money you have, less taxes you have to pay." That is European reality.
I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to inherit stuff in general but being rich or poor should depend on your skills and work ethic and not on your daddy.
This is actually what I've been thinking too. Inheriting wealth and not having to lift a finger in your whole life is the cancer. There is a whole caste of "professional sons". Instead successful people should be able choose projects (for the "Greater Good") where to spent the majority of their accumulated wealth at the end of their lifes (or earlier). That could be science, infrastructure, public buildings - or a fcking moon base for all I care.
I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to inherit stuff in general but being rich or poor should depend on your skills and work ethic and not on your daddy.
I think leveling the playing field, by redistributing wealth so it cannot be handed down through generations as now,
@Paul, an important problem arises if you let the dead rule the living. Like Rich people setting up trusts and institutions working and changing society long after they are dead. For goals that might be going out of date. (Like if Tom Cruise would set up a trust of his net worth working for his crazy sci fi church... )
Change concepts of wealth and money. No more accumulation of points, make it like ELO. You live through your life and depending on your contribution to society you get more or less prestige points which make your life better or worse. At the end of your life points are erased and your descendants have to work for theirs the same way you did.
This is something I suggested to Meow as idea for cRPG leveling system and he hated it. Typical human response to fair and natural system that doesn't give much space to shortcuts humans love so much.
Some EU countries have up to a 52% income tax rate. When all is said and done do you even have much left to take to the grave with you? :lol: Between the higher taxes and lower wages compared to the US for higher income higher education jobs you are getting screwed both ways. Sure there are benefits to living in Europe, but they sure aren't free.People who get taxed at 52% have well enough of capital to take it earn back simply with their interest and those people don't have to worry for their children.
So simple, such genius, crazy how no ever thought of anything like that before. Good job, truly revolutionary stuff. Anything beyond vague calls for complete reform of society? Who decides what is a "contribution to society", exactly? Who decides how much of a contribution it is? Who grants these magical "prestige" points? Oh and of course just assume that you can erase any sort of biological instinct for preference of your own children and family, something that is apparently only applicable to the rich elites and not literally every human being regardless of status or wealth. Welp I'm sold, this is obviously a well thought out ideology and not at all an idiot's random meaningless anarchic daydream. All you'd need is to change humans into a different organism that would be suited to the ideology. This is how you know you're onto something good, when it's only chance of the ideas being accepted is if they are somehow inserted at a biological level through genetic manipulation. And this is the authoritarian fascist bundle of sticks calling other people "chocolate chip cookies".
Sounds horrendously like Charlie Brooker's 'Black Mirror' (series 1 episode 2 for reference).
Still better than religion you practice :wink:
Oooooooooooooooo low blow *slow clap*.
It speaks for your opinions that I actually find myself agreeing with Oberyn.
People who get taxed at 52% have well enough of capital to take it earn back simply with their interest and those people don't have to worry for their children.
Lower wage in EU than in US???? Maybe for the top 1% but not for 60% bottom. Now ofc, you mix up french taxation with german worcking laws you end up with a non-sense country than can lead you into believing EU is fucked up. But generelly either you have good wage and high tax or low wage low tax, but either way you have better education for free and better health care and more safety nets than in US.
Russian Air Force now have permission to bomb Isis in Syria gg
I hope you make friends with the Syrian refugees from Isis :o
Jesus the right wing has always been arguing against ideologies in all forms, targeting socialism. Very often rightly so, but more recently, at least in Europe, I see more and more dogmatic right wing ideology as well. Dogmatism and knee-jerking reactions must go. The future is in a pragmatic approach. A blend of socialism and capitalism, with a strong focus on meritocracy. Equal possibilites, open up on the top by strangling transfer of wealth through generations.
Lol and as Xant so perfectly puts it, Capitalism also works at someone else's expense. The invisible hand works to make sure you buy overpriced products, always struggling for monopoly and cartels, manipulates the money market, owns your work, and sell it off for 10 times more.. Makes it expensive to be poor, etc etc..
I'm for a meritocracy, but capitalism has inherent flaws that are opposing a meritocracy. For example that your inherited background plays a large role in your possibilities in life. On both ends, in that your connections, education, imagination, monetary freedom will never be on par with those that had it given, as well as later in life, the positions that you seek will be preoccupied by people that had it given. This is not always true on an individual level, but on a statistical level it is.
I think leveling the playing field, by redistributing wealth so it cannot be handed down through generations as now, would be the strongest, best thing a society can do to create a real meritocracy, where decision making is done by the best of us, who has earned it.
Funnily enough, right wing governments in Europe have barely or zero "Death taxes" while in the US they actually exist, and are imo the best tax there is. Something we can learn from the states..
This is actually what I've been thinking too. Inheriting wealth and not having to lift a finger in your whole life is the cancer. There is a whole caste of "professional sons". Instead successful people should be able choose projects (for the "Greater Good") where to spent the majority of their accumulated wealth at the end of their lifes (or earlier). That could be science, infrastructure, public buildings - or a fcking moon base for all I care.
I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to inherit stuff in general but being rich or poor should depend on your skills and work ethic and not on your daddy.
Well, in reality there are so many holes in the tax laws that it boils down to "The more money you have, less taxes you have to pay." That is European reality.
There cases where a guy earns 5 million € a year and pays 10€ taxes... That's the bigger issue compared to inheritance.
Previously wrote a long post about this in another thread, and Siiem's reaction is quite common. There should probably be a roof above where the death tax kicks in, idk where, but I guess 10mill usd would be fine. The main purpose is to secure that money with real decisionmaking power gets freed up (Say control of a factory or corporation). It's not about creating huge problems and disruption for "normal people" and small business, but force big shareholders to "sell off" their stocks before they die.
Now, how it would work in a globalized economy etc is not so easy to see, but everything is possible with enough oomph put behind it.
@Paul, an important problem arises if you let the dead rule the living. Like Rich people setting up trusts and institutions working and changing society long after they are dead. For goals that might be going out of date. (Like if Tom Cruise would set up a trust of his net worth working for his crazy sci fi church... )
People who get taxed at 52% have well enough of capital to take it earn back simply with their interest and those people don't have to worry for their children.
Lower wage in EU than in US???? Maybe for the top 1% but not for 60% bottom. Now ofc, you mix up french taxation with german worcking laws you end up with a non-sense country than can lead you into believing EU is fucked up. But generelly either you have good wage and high tax or low wage low tax, but either way you have better education for free and better health care and more safety nets than in US.
It's interesting how the term the 'invisible hand' has completely lost its original meaning from when Adam Smith first used it in The Wealth of Nations.
Here it is; "Of Restraints upon the Importation from foreign Countries of such Goods as can be produced at Home." The belief that merchants and consumers preferred the home trade to foreign trade out of patriotic sentiment or home bias (though interpretations vary), an often used argument for protectionism.
Which may have meant more at the time but which is today a stark contrast to the currently held warped variant (the myth of the self-regulating market), neoliberalism, and how multinational corporations operate.
From Switzerland you wouldn't know. Your progressive income tax actually makes some sort of sense. Here my employer is spending more than 4000 euros on me and at the end of the month I get 1750. It only gets worse the more you earn. That's the problem with many EU income taxes: they are bottom-heavy because the countries need to support a lot of nonsense social programs that cost a lot of money. As I said before, the only way to make a lot of money for the government is to tax the middle class, so you get a country where most of the government money flows from the middle and low-paid jobs to the unemployed and elderly. Also the administrations tend to hate businesses out of principle. When you need more than a week to create a company, you know there's a problem. The US tax system has huge flaws when it comes to inequality, but at least the entrepreneurial culture there is not in complete shambles like here.
Actually the way it is used today is to paraphrase the fluctuations of prices, demand and supply in response to each other in a large group of independent actors. At its core (ie when defined properly), it isn't a belief, it's a mathematical rule. Of course, the biggest problem with calling something "the invisible hand" is that it is a balancing phenomenon that emerges from the structure of a perfect market with many suppliers and many customers. It's not someone or something in particular.That's what I mean when I say the myth of the self-regulating market; there's no such thing as the entirely free market unless it's entirely on the theoretical level. But that's the 'under conditions of perfect liberty, markets will lead to perfect equality' Adam Smith quote, people get them mixed up.
Also the population has to be pyramid shaped.
Why? Explain scientifically why that statement is true.
Oberyn wants to kick immigrants out of his beloved home.
US death tax is irrelevant to anyone that isnt in the top 2% because it onloy affect people whose estates are larger than 5m$.
Angantyr thinks all refugees are plump.
Why? Explain scientifically why that statement is true.
US death tax is irrelevant to anyone that isnt in the top 2% because it onloy affect people whose estates are larger than 5m$. Socialism is not a permanently sustainable thing because as Bastiat says, " But the law is not a breast that fills itself with milk. Nor are the lacteal veins of the law supplied with milk from a source outside the society." Only a steadily growing society can support socialism which as we all know, the population would grow beyond what earth could sustain. Also the population has to be pyramid shaped. However this is off the topic of immigrants flooding europeOnly a steadily growing society could support capitalism, as the only way to reduce inequality in capitalism is if the growth benefits the poorer (thanks to the magic hand). But i don't see why socialism would need a forever expanding population.
The next generation of workers must perforce be more numerous/work for longer/produce more wealth or a combination of all 3 to be able to feed both the State and the pensions of the previous generation. It's why the retirement age is edging further and further to make up the growing gap. Then there's the Baby Boomer contraction as they get older and exit the workforce as the main economic "arguement" (excuse) for why population replacement by immigrants is totally a beneficial thing. Lot's of future young "workers" (lol) to pay for our shit generation, you see. Oh, the future of the native youth? Who gives a fuck, what am I some sort of fascist chocolate chip cookie? Only a chocolate chip cookie would care about such a thing. The future of our pensions is much more important.The fact is that workers nowadays produce more weatlh than before thanks to the improved means of production (machines, computer, etc), if we had a correct imposition, we would not need to extand the retirement age.
Anyone know anything more about this? I read the turks are now using 50% of the water in the Tigris and Eufrat. And since the comic states that drought caused thousands of farmers to move into overcrowded cities, contributing to the instability in Syria, perhaps Turkey on some level is to blame for all this mess?
Now back on topic, http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/01/world/europe/russia-airstrikes-syria.html?&moduleDetail=top-news-0&action=click&contentCollection=undefined®ion=Footer&module=TopNews&version=WhatsNext&contentID=WhatsNext&pgtype=Blogs (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/01/world/europe/russia-airstrikes-syria.html?&moduleDetail=top-news-0&action=click&contentCollection=undefined®ion=Footer&module=TopNews&version=WhatsNext&contentID=WhatsNext&pgtype=Blogs)
If EU is truly copying USA federal system then tax variety is going to stay. Which is a shame, I'm more for homogeneous approach and creation of true superstate. As for tax free havens, solution is very simple. Squash them like a bug :twisted:
That's what I mean when I say the myth of the self-regulating market; there's no such thing as the entirely free market unless it's entirely on the theoretical level. But that's the 'under conditions of perfect liberty, markets will lead to perfect equality' Adam Smith quote, people get them mixed up.
I think it's time to create a separate thread on taxes (http://forum.melee.org/general-off-topic/taxes/new/#new).
Now, about refugees.
Oberyn wants to kick immigrants out of his beloved home.
Vovka: Lost in Trollation.
Angantyr thinks all refugees are plump.
cup457 posits that every extreme situation turns a majority of people into savages.
ecorcheur_brokar thinks Yeezus isn't a fully assimilated American.
Grytviken, possibly our only Limbaugh fan.
Devs: typical liberal programmer scum.
Heskeytime is possibly a scarecrow. He likes immigrants, okay?
Casimir...GLOBALIZATION, YEAH!
Leshma likes pretending like he doesn't care, just like his big brother Xant, but here he is, caring. It's alright. We all care, a little bit.
Xant is proving he's turning into a different person entirely, and then stops to remind you that he hasn't been replaced by some eldritch conspiracy.
Ppravi bets that not every male Syrian will become a rapist. I am willing to bet he is 100 percent right, with a single steam game of your choice, under $70, if enough proof can be provided. Come on, Ppravi, surely you can gamble more than that?
Kafein, you can't be the voice of reason. That mantle is taken by PEPE.
Gravoth, how very political of you. I see what you're doing, here.
Panos, making Oberyn look like an embracing mother to all immigrants.
Quote me saying that I want to kick anyone out, thanks. Even when making jokes you can't help but misrepresent my statements as more "evil" than they already are in your eyes. Being against further indiscriminate mass immigration = deport all immigrants already here, apparently.
Pentagon again made a statement based on information from open sources? such as forums and YouTube? :o
At least Russia isn't bombing the kurds. And US aren't the only to respond to this, Saudi Arabia has been whining about it as well, France and UK have confirmed that targets haven't primarily been daesh. If Saudi Arabia is complaining about it it can only be a good thing.
As fucked up as hezbollah seemed even a few years ago it's nothing compared to what sunni militias "accomplished" in Iraq and Syria with tacit NATO support and outright, obvious Wahhabist/Salafist support from the usual suspects. Russia picked the other side of this Cold War, the shia side, and tbh I'm jealous. It's hard to see NATO countries still persist with the lie that there is such a thing as "moderate" rebels. Can't fault the shia when you see what the sunni have in store for them, something they make abundantly clear at every opportunity. What do you all think would happen if the "moderate" rebels managed to topple Assad at this point? Nothing but massive ethnic cleansing of the alawites.
That's because the "Iraqi" and "Syrian" governments never existed, they have been since their births nothing but extensions of tribal and religious identity. Sunni minority brutally repressing shia majority in Iraq, along with a smattering of other minorities, shia minority brutally repressing sunni majority in Syria, along with a smattering of other minorities. I say shit about sunni militias in Syria and Iraq, sure, but Baghdad for example went through massive ethnic cleansing of sunni by shia militias. There really are no "good guys" here. There seldom are anywhere. Anyone who was even slightly familiar with the history and culture of both of these countries knew this, the fiction that a government fairly ruling over these disparate groups that loathe each other could be accomplished in Iraq and can be accomplished in Syria is toddler-level Disney princess unicorn wishfull thinking.
This is a good article on the ethnic cleansing of Baghdad. Resumes very well the different events that led to "sectarian violence", as it was dubbed at the time. I doubt the trend suddenly reversed with the rise of ISIS and the almost voluntary partition of northern Iraq into it's orbit.
http://musingsoniraq.blogspot.fr/2009/11/blog-post.html
Perfect example of foreign meddling, high handed, idiotic projections of our cultural values onto a situation that cannot be explained by them. I have a tendency to side with the Tutsi more than the Hutu, and not only because of the endless propaganda trying to paint them as the agressors and the Hutu as the victims.
https://www.nsfwcorp.com/dispatch/tutsi-empire-interrupted/
Prior to the arrival of colonists, Rwanda had been ruled by a Tutsi-dominated monarchy since the Bronze Age. Beginning in about 1880, Roman Catholic missionaries arrived in the Great Lakes region. Later, when German forces occupied the area during World War I, the conflict and efforts for Catholic conversion became more pronounced. As the Tutsi resisted conversion, missionaries found success only among the Hutu. In an effort to reward conversion, the colonial government confiscated traditionally Tutsi land and reassigned it to Hutu tribes.[15]
The area was ruled as a colony by Germany (prior to World War I) and Belgium. Because Tutsis had been the traditional governing elite, both colonial powers kept this system and allowed only the Tutsi to be educated and to participate in the colonial government. Such discriminatory policies engendered resentment.
When the Belgians took over the banana, they believed it could be better governed if they continued to identify the different populations. In the 1920s, they required people to identify with a particular ethnic group and classified them accordingly in censuses. European colonists viewed Africans in general as children who needed to be guided, but noted the Tutsi to be the ruling culture in Rwanda-Burundi.[citation needed]
In 1959, Belgium reversed its stance and allowed the majority Hutu to assume control of the government through universal elections after independence. This partly reflected internal Belgian domestic politics, in which the discrimination against the Hutu majority came to be regarded as similar to oppression within Belgium stemming from the Flemish-Walloon conflict, and the democratization and empowerment of the Hutu was seen as a just response to the Tutsi domination. Belgian policies wavered and flip-flopped considerably during this period leading up to independence of Burundi and Rwanda.
Wiki has a good resume, as it usually does on old dead history that no one cares about.
Might as well say the europeans "created" the division between shia and sunni, would be just accurate.
Bunch of dudes from the Calais ghetto broke into the channel tunnel. Parents are pissed cos its now closed and they were gonna go to France for the weekend.Yea, read about it. 100 or something people were in there. Supposed to reopen in 2-3 hours they said...
They dont "think" this attitude is common, it is. And they certainly won't be shamed for it, not by their own people, not by the swedish cuck leftists bending over backwards and pretending the hatred and loathing aimed at their own people and society, and the victims of it, are merely acceptable collateral damage on the road to multicultural utopia.
As a direct result of inbreeding, the Muslim(predominately Arab) population is mentally and physically devolving, as a whole.a mentally ill young Arab girl an excellent choice for fat ugly Germans :o
This guy will without a doubt restrain himself when it comes to females. I foresee zero rapes in his future.(click to show/hide)
i knew you all were some my old friends who think more about feelings than about facts
look at this you women
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=572_1429237415
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_XHkgScOSY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux0Hl-E1gVo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8n-eo5fDYU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4o8sPQBG-wQ
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/610376/woman-gang-raped-refugee-camp-activists-Italy-border-France-Ventimiglia (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/610376/woman-gang-raped-refugee-camp-activists-Italy-border-France-Ventimiglia)
http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/ISIS-Threat/ISIS-calls-for-jihad-in-Germany-targets-Merkel-before-killing-captives-in-latest-video-411454 (http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/ISIS-Threat/ISIS-calls-for-jihad-in-Germany-targets-Merkel-before-killing-captives-in-latest-video-411454)
http://ef-magazin.de/2015/10/15/7734-kosten-der-fluechtlingskrise-keine-steuererhoehung-wirklich (http://ef-magazin.de/2015/10/15/7734-kosten-der-fluechtlingskrise-keine-steuererhoehung-wirklich) (refugees cost the german state many millions)
http://www.rp-online.de/politik/deutschland/rosenheim-deutschland-laesst-fluechtlinge-mit-sonderzuegen-abholen-aid-1.5403652 (http://www.rp-online.de/politik/deutschland/rosenheim-deutschland-laesst-fluechtlinge-mit-sonderzuegen-abholen-aid-1.5403652) (police forced to smuggle "refugees")
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmnfkXF2rL4
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/570965/Christians-thrown-overboard-by-Muslims-sailing-to-Italy-to-claim-asylum-in-EU-say-police (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/570965/Christians-thrown-overboard-by-Muslims-sailing-to-Italy-to-claim-asylum-in-EU-say-police)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDm038lEKu4
also you forget christians being genocided in the middle east you stupid fucks
id rather accept syrian christians because they can integrate better and they really need help
not some blacks from syria (black syrians, wtf???)
think before you feel, you idiots
After Putin is done saving his lapdog they'll be alot more refugees flooding into Europe and Turkey.some europeans need to stand up against this refugee madness
visitors can't see pics , please register or loginThis votation was funny because in the same time, the UDC (far right party) was saying that minarets were dangerous while the weapons we are exporting to Saudis were not. Less funny, minarets were banned (they were already not authorized to be used anyway) and weapons exportations were not.
After Putin is done saving his lapdog they'll be alot more refugees flooding into Europe and Turkey.
This votation was funny because in the same time, the UDC (far right party) was saying that minarets were dangerous while the weapons we are exporting to Saudis were not. Less funny, minarets were banned (they were already not authorized to be used anyway) and weapons exportations were not.
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do u really think what they can come back here tomorrow and start living? it was 2nd largest city for 1.7 mil ppl
some europeans need to stand up against this refugee madness
i dont want to live in eurabia with shitskins surrounding me
Know if the source has revealed herself, as for verification? It would be healthy for the debate if more like her would make public testimonies.
Is that the new trailer for World of Tanks? looks pretty cool :wink:this is how real journalists collect material, in contrast to some "open source" "the source said" :o
this is how real journalists collect material, in contrast to some "open source" "the source said" :o
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Austria said Wednesday it would build a fence along its border with fellow EU state Slovenia to "control" the migrant influx, in a blow to the EU's cherished passport-free Schengen zone.
So... who's next?
So... who's next?Chancelor of Austria clarified that there definitively will not be any fence.
Chancelor of Austria clarified that there definitively will not be any fence.but if you put near fence machine gunners....
"Who believes a fence will solve anything about the current refugee situation is wrong."
Then the machine gunners are solving the issue, not the fence.but the fact of climbing over a fence will be an excuse to use the machineguns
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This video will not be online long, download and mirror it while you can.pffft ahaha
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Once again. What's up with these extreme nationalists on Youtube? They always tend to have either Nazí German officers/big shots in their profile pictures/avatars OR sculptures of ancient Greek or Roman leaders..
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OT: more than 370.000 migrants entered Croatia so far, they are being escorted to the border crossings and sent onward. Talks of sending them back to country in which they entered the EU is mentioned more and more by Germany, guess Merkel changed her mind.
When you say 'the end of EU' in your poll...
Do you mean that shitty political union that nobody cares about?
[...]same old, same old[...]God, when did you become so annoying? :cry:
When so many of my countrymen and fellow europeans turned into nutless, self-loathing, blind, idealistic bundle of stickss who can't see the insanity of where we're headed. Keep sprinkling that fairy dust in front of your eyes, I'm sure it will eventually change reality if you believe really really hard, like fucking Tinkerbell is trying to make you fly.
I don't like religion. I believe them to be stupid and silly - believing in them is stupid and silly. And yes, Islam is obviously the worst for a while now.
Dooming every single one of the believers tho? Nope, that's stupid and silly too.
For fuck's sake 160 people just got slaughtered and you sit there and tell me my fear is irrational?
You're a blind fucking retard if you don't see that muslims are disproportionately represented in rape in Europe. Couldn't pooooossssibly be the cultural muslim norm that see's all western women as worthless decadent whores good only for fucking, of course not. Simply not true at all! Stupid blind cunt. The whole point is that there so so many muslims that don't "stick to the rules", that spit all over them, that have no respect or attachment to the values they represent. You'd have to open your eyes to see it, and yes, the statistics tell the tale. I would love to see where you get the idea that these are "disproven" facts.
For fuck's sake 160 people just got slaughtered and you sit there and tell me my fear is irrational? Such a great idea to let the muslim fanatics "think whatever the fuck they want", especially when it consistently leads to the murder of my people and the destruction of my country. What could go wrong? It's a belief just as valid as any other, clearly. Strange how this nuanced, complex, grey matter suddenly turns into stark good vs evil when it comes to the patient, tolerant good euro vs the evil, hateful white supremacists who are just afraid. No nuance there, just populists throwing around mean words, right? They couldn't possibly have the shadow of a point, that would be a betrayal of The Dream.
[...](Talking specific about Germany where statistics in no way support such claims... like... at all... simply NOT true... in Germany!).[...]For an somewhat intelligent person, you don't really read too careful, do you?
People who pray to allah consistently bomb schools and public places. It's not a fucking conspiracy to make muslims look bad. It's endemic all over the muslim world
And if it's done by Western Governements and Israel it's perfectly fine? It's a problem that's endemic in the Western world as well. But no, Arab's don't count only our Western brothers have any value.
And if it's done by Western Governements and Israel it's perfectly fine? It's a problem that's endemic in the Western world as well. But no, Arab's don't count only our Western brothers have any value.
I know it is useless, but: bombing of schools/hospitals etc. by western world is done by mistake, by Muslims its by choice. I don't know where you live, but if in Europe I think you should move to some Muslim country, you will feel better there.
Ah yes of course totally by accident. If you believe that then that's just ignorant.
But why am I telling you this? Its obviously all fake and everybody has been bribed. NATO bombs innocent people on purpose, because of Illuminati. Please Overdriven, I thought you are wiser than that.
Jesus Oberyn. Calm down. You are inches away from straight up "remove kebab". :lol:
His city was under terrorist attack two days ago. Imho he's free to vent all his anger through words, no matter how much someone will find them repulsive.
His city was under terrorist attack two days ago. Imho he's free to vent all his anger through words, no matter how much someone will find them repulsive.
Ah yes of course totally by accident. If you believe that then that's just ignorant.You're a fucking retard if you truly believe any Western military has been killing innocents on purpose.
You're a fucking retard if you truly believe any Western military has been killing innocents on purpose.
On the other hand, what can anyone expect? As said before, you don't form your beliefs based on logic and rationality, as evident by your conversion to Islam. You're self-admittedly delusional, so I guess you can believe what you want to believe, no need for any evidence.
O great Xant. Please enlighten my feeble and uneducated brain as to your great insights and observations of the world. Clearly you know more than the majority of the world's population and therefore I beg to follow your path.What would you like to be enlightened about? And indeed, I do know more than the majority of the world's population. 1/6th of the world isn't even literate.
Poll misses Heskey and Molly, and probably me :twisted:
keep voting, the winner of the poll will be awarded a special "retard of the thread" badge designed by me that he can use as a thumbnail or as his signature :)
Majority of the world's population are very hostile to islam. Probably something to do with the way muslim individuals and groups constantly attack everyone who is not part of their religion, and everyone who is too. I wonder what literally every country not majority muslim thinks about muslims, excepting the suicidally self-loathing western dhimmis. We should heed their worldly wisdom, imo. After all, so many people can't be wrong.Oh yes. Overdriven is so smart that he thinks whatever the majority of the people think must be right. It's a shame so many other people disagree, otherwise the Earth would still be flat, among other things.
Oh yes. Overdriven is so smart that he thinks whatever the majority of the people think must be right. It's a shame so many other people disagree, otherwise the Earth would still be flat, among other things.
Funny part is he clearly meant to to say 1.6 billion people, i.e all muslims worldwide, but literally said "majority". Is that why you converted, Overdriven? Because you can't count?
It was a comment on how many people believe in a religion numb nuts. Not just Islam.And you don't see the contradiction there? Those people believe in "a" religion, not Islam... so the vast majority of people think Islam is just a delusion, hence, agree with me. The fact that there are so many different religions that people believe in does your argument no favors, on the contrary, it's one of the strongest arguments that I could use.
Way to go missing the point yet again.
And you don't see the contradiction there? Those people believe in "a" religion, not Islam... so the vast majority of people think Islam is just a delusion, hence, agree with me. The fact that there are so many different religions that people believe in does your argument no favors, on the contrary, it's one of the strongest arguments that I could use.
the differences between those beliefs are irrelevant
Not really. The majority of religious people in the world fall under Christianity, Islam and Judaism. All pretty much one and the same religion, all people of the book. The basis of belief is the same. And for the rest, they believe is some form of higher power, even agnostics are uncertain about it. So yeah majority of the world holds to a similar idea, the differences between those beliefs are irrelevant as they all cling to the same concept. One that you among the minority, albeit a large one, would call delusional.visitors can't see pics , please register or login
The second group — and the clear majority throughout the Muslim world — consists of Muslims who are loyal to the core creed and worship devoutly but are not inclined to practice violence or even intolerance towards non-Muslims. I call this group “mecca Muslims.” The fundamental problem is that the majority of otherwise peaceful and law-abiding Muslims are unwilling to acknowledge, much less to repudiate, the theological warrant for intolerance and violence embedded in their own religious texts.
It's not a surprise. Islam is a religion created by a child-raping warlord, and everything he did was by definition kosher.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm
"give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."
Ahh, so peaceful.
It's not a surprise. Islam is a religion created by a child-raping warlord, and everything he did was by definition kosher.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm
"give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."
Ahh, so peaceful.
There are two types of Muslims you can sort out after discussing all these verses or surahs with them. The first group will daftly embrace it for what it is and not even feel the urge to question what they believe in. A group of total dimwits.
The second group includes what I call the "naive denialists". Their primary arguement is that Arabic is such an intricate language that translations might not always be spot-on. It is, according to them, one of the reasons why Muslims around the world prefer to stick to just dumbly mumbling the Arabic verses. Then you confront them with the "Allah's perfect language" theory, which is a widely accepted Muslim belief. It is when they give you the "you infidel" look and stop trading any further words with you. This is the typical Muslim defense after all: When spots start appearing on your belief, stop thinking immediately. Shut down the valves.
translations might not always be spot-on.
With that said, there is plenty of things that translates everytime to "kill all non-muslims".
Give him a break man, his entire concept of Islam is based on Daily Mail style newsreports, he just doesn't know any better.I really wonder what personal experience you have with Muslims, Heskey. I have a lot. I've lived in the most multi-cultural areas of Copenhagen in large parts of my adult life, I've grown up with several Muslim friends, I've studied with Muslims and I've taught in schools where there was 95% Muslim students.
I've taught in schools where there was 95% Muslim students.
I'm not a teacher though, I've just worked as one while studying. I've also worked in youth clubs in the same culturally enriched areas, where I have observed some very objectionable behaviour.Denmark's immigration policy is pretty strict though, isn't it? Comparable more to Finland's than Sweden's?
I've seen them swarm friends and family like fucking rats and draw weapons when they see their chance.
I spent most of my adult life in Birmingham in the UK, we notoriously don't have any Muslims in Birmingham so I've never encountered any.
Shhh, they'll never know.
I have never once heard a pro-immigration person use it genuinely.Xant and I are both neighbors to a country where similar statements are used genuinely by establishment policy makers and strong interest groups since the 70s.
Xant and I are both neighbors to a country where similar statements are used genuinely by establishment policy makers and strong interest groups since the 70s.It's used non-sarcastically in Finland as well, don't have to go to neighboring countries.
Also by politicians? And more than one or two smaller parties?By politicians as well, though the phrase they use is "multiculturalism is a richness" and variations of that. By this guy, for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Stubb
In Sweden it's the mantra of the entire establishment, who's made a pact to keep the one mass-immigration sceptic party out of power, despite it having major democratic support.
http://funnyjunk.com/How+to+deal+with+refugees/movies/5755856/
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EU to top the 3-billion-Euro refugee withdrawal deal with the icing of lifting visa requirements for Turkey and restarting accession negotiations. (http://www.skynews.com.au/news/world/europe/2015/11/30/eu--turkey-seal-migrant-deal.html)
I don't even...
A key element is 3 billion euros ($A4.40 billion) in EU aid for the 2.2 million Syrian refugees in Turkey, intended to raise living standards and so persuade more to stay put rather than attempt the perilous crossing to the Greek islands and the EU.
Do they really think that those 3B€ will get into the syrian refugees pockets (figuratively)? :lol:
Meanwhile in Finland, police and ambulances constantly at the "refugee centers", refugees harassing, raping and assaulting people every day, and now kidnapping animals to sexually abuse them as well too apparently...
And the whole thing's hush-hush, police doing everything they can to hide all the facts in rape cases.
Would really suck to be a woman right about now.
Racism is fundamental and necessary. I'm not saying to kill black people or insult them, but just keep in your mind that you shouldn't trust them. Be rather polite with everyone, but ALWAYS smell a rat around blacks/middle easterns. With blacks, never relax.
It is Republican website, I can tell that much lol
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Probably, but what's important is they are at least telling the truth.
You mean, they are being honest with their own stupidity, or do you really believe it is a "truth" that blacks/middle easterners cant be trusted? :?
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/12/01/afghan-migrant-brutally-raped-burnt-death-young-european-wanted-break/It was publicized, but that's like six months old. There's news about refugees raping all the time, even though the mainstream media is trying to hush hush it as best they can. Lots more reports on the "alternative" news sites.
Yeah I don't see this article publicized. Saw this on Reddit, not sure how legit this news site is. Sickening stuff if true.
It was publicized, but that's like six months old. There's news about refugees raping all the time, even though the mainstream media is trying to hush hush it as best they can. Lots more reports on the "alternative" news sites.
But you know what, I have little sympathy for the victim. A big reason all of this is happening is that there's this class of women who are professional "understanders" of refugees and their crimes. I'm sure that girl would've preached in the same Facebook groups as the other retards about how wrong "racism" is and how "Finns rape more than immigrants!"
But you know what, I have little sympathy for the victim. A big reason all of this is happening is that there's this class of women who are professional "understanders" of refugees and their crimes. I'm sure that girl would've preached in the same Facebook groups as the other retards about how wrong "racism" is and how "Finns rape more than immigrants!"
Westerners are stupid as well, just differentlye.
Girl who was killed is fine example. Raised in over-protected environment, naive and living with a belief that freedom is something she gained by birth and not what people surrounding her and their ancestors fought for. Something she had to fight for and not take it for grantedThe problem with most feminists is that they don't understand this.
https://static.ylilauta.org/files/wq/orig/ysodpmo1/zbqc.mp4Not so sure about that, at least in France, feminist are most often islamophobic. Many Nothern African feminist left Femen because they consider it islamophobic. One of them said smth I like: "Here I am fighting for being able not to wear a veil but if I was in France, I would fight to be able to carry it"
The problem with most feminists is that they don't understand this.
For some arcane reason feminists are very pro-immigration and Islam, and they hate "the white man" -- when they wouldn't have any of their rights if it wasn't "for the white man."
I was talking about the website in general but i'll answer the question anyways. It depends, there's alot of people I wouldn't trust, white, black or middle-eastern, the circumstances are much more important. I'm usually a good judge of character and first impressions matter to me, so if they are raping someone and then setting them on fire it might set off a red flag, not sure though.
Finnish sex crime stats from this year's January to June: 44% of rape suspects were foreigners, last year's number was 24%. Insane numbers considering how few of them Finland has, and considering the extremely strict criteria used for who's a foreigner and who's not.
Dunno about that Butan, I mean look at Pokemon Go. It is global phenomenon made to attract and control masses and affect their behavior. Why does everybody play Overwatch? Because everybody else does. People like to follow others.
My mom goes to the flea market to buy something specific, sees long line of people waiting to buy something, has no clue what it is, does she need it or not, still stands in a line. I've seen people waiting in lines for hours not even realizing why are they there.
Easy to predict really. Pokemon is huge in States and rest of the world in full follow mode. Overwatch is Blizzard game, yes they always make them well polished but even if they flop people will buy and play. They have credit.
Germany died for our sins
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Actually I despise Hittler. He gave Jews, Muslims and Catholics who were already widely unpopular in the US and UK a powerful huge platform to lash out emotionally without law and reason which gave rise to all this radical left wing ideology you see today that derived from socialism and communism.
National Socialism is just another form of left wing degeneracy. Nationalism goes hand in hand with success, it's not something you can artificially create, and socialism is forcibly or willingly becoming a dependency.
The Anglo-Saxon tradition of law as opposed to acting out on raw emotion is what always separated us from the others.
This is why these seemingly irrational crimes are carried out on a regular basis on natural impulse without thought or logic by refugees from the 3rd world. This kind of random illogical behavior is seen as peculiar in the west, but is viewed as normal and acceptable where they are from, justified by their book of desert fairy tales.
Actually I despise Hittler. He gave Jews, Muslims and Catholics who were already widely unpopular in the US and UK a powerful huge platform to lash out emotionally without law and reason which gave rise to all this radical left wing ideology you see today that derived from socialism and communism.
National Socialism is just another form of left wing degeneracy. Nationalism goes hand in hand with success, it's not something you can artificially create, and socialism is forcibly or willingly becoming a dependency.
The Anglo-Saxon tradition of law as opposed to acting out on raw emotion is what always separated us from the others.
This is why these seemingly irrational crimes are carried out on a regular basis on natural impulse without thought or logic by refugees from the 3rd world. This kind of random illogical behavior is seen as peculiar in the west, but is viewed as normal and acceptable where they are from, justified by their book of desert fairy tales.
National Socialism isn't what you think it is. It has very little to do with socialism at all.
In parts of America they're taught that Nazis are Socialists, it's unfortunate.
It helps them lash out emotionally without law or reason against the left wing. :wink:
Honestly the whole ideology was an obvious farse to start with the only success it had was due to extreme socialism and redistributing wealth into state projects . A bunch of guys none of which have blonde hair and blue eyes, some of whom looked like mongoloids convinced Germany that they were the superior Aryyans .
Stole their iconic symbol from Hinduism
Stole their salute from ancient Romans
What's the deal with everyone thinking you have to be blue-eyed, blonde and sacrifice a lamb every full moon to be ar yan?
And newsflash, The Democratic People's Republic of North Korea actually isn't democratic. I know it can seem that way at first glance.
So I think I get what you are saying here.
Merkel is hit ler and traditional European values are the jews
yay esl QQ
Nah Mrs.Merkel is a naive Christian with good intentions, I actually like her as a person.You might have posted the most stupid statement that is hosted on this very forum! You've even beaten Jambi and Tovi!
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Grytviken: the name National socialists was chosen by them because nationalism and socialism were two very poplular idiologies, it was a marketing move.
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Interesting, i have as you say dismissed them as well but they surely do seem to be quite socialistic.
Gratz you're even more retarded than Oberyn.
In parts of America they're taught that Nazis are Socialists, it's unfortunate.
National Socialism isn't what you think it is. It has very little to do with socialism at all.
You might have posted the most stupid statement that is hosted on this very forum! You've even beaten Jambi and Tovi!
Congratulation :lol:
And newsflash, The Democratic People's Republic of North Korea actually isn't democratic. I know it can seem that way at first glance.
Although germany has the reputation of beeing "good" atm, it seems to me, that it is rather trying to fasten its stand as a leading force within the EU, and getting ready for the economic wars that are just over the horizon.
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Well Germany is always looking to start wars, they just aren't very good at winning them . I think It's a very bad idea to try to threaten or blackmail the UK over brexit, as they could very well rejoin someday if it returns to the integrity of it's original mission and doesn't overstep it's boundaries.
Gryt, here is my path of thought:
in 19th century Europe, 3 big political ideologies evolved: socialism, lieberalism and conservatism.
That being said, the term socialism is not clealry defined in the german language (is it in yours?), as there are a heap of interpretations to it (democatic socialism, agricultural socialism etc.).
What seems to be an underlining factor to all of these is their motivation: the politically lead path to an egalitarian society.
anyways, to make it short: I dont see nationalsocialism as socialism because of the motivation: AHs motivation was revenge for the humiliation and the revision of the versailles treaty, the submission of france and the conquering of "lebensraum" in eurasia. Next to the racial shit ofc.
the ns state having traits of a socialist state were the consequence of the NS trying to achieve above goals.
their gaol was not a politically ensured egalitarian society.
This topic however is being discussed a lot, not just here, so bravo to this forum. One point that should be considered, is that the NS regime was too short lived to actually give it more room next to the greater political ideologies mentioned above. So id like to end my text posting that NS may just be called fashism - as a self defining ideology, founding itself on traits like leader cult, militarism, antimarxism, antiliberalism and extreme nationalism.
It's motives do not change it's composition. You are listing different sects of socialism, they are all socialist at their foundation.
Socialism - a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
yo you are talking about the theory. Socialism in practice is achieving the theoretical goal you just posted. So the motivation for a socialist party is to reach that goal. Neither did the NS ever try to reach that goal, nor did they ever reach it by accident.
not any form of community owned or regulated shit. only the ns party and the german dictator did.
It's all the same shit, power is what drives politicians ideology is just a good excuse. With the difference that socialist didn't publicly stand for ideas like eugenics. They wouldn't throw you out to die in the broad daylight like Nazis and Spartans did. When no one is watching, sure. But it wasn't officially endorsed practice.
Nationalist party that is carbon copy of Putins party but pushing for EU integration is in power where I'm from. Doesn't make sense? It doesn't have to as long they get rich and ordinary man poorer. Former prime minister is now a president, in both cases supported by huge majority (just like Putin). Elections were two days ago, I voted as a good citizen should (not for him of course). But I'm member of leading party, because my father is city clerk who could lose a job if I wasn't in the goddamn party. My father wasn't employed by any party which is why his job is at risk, close near retirement. On Sunday I was playing with my 15 month old nephew, party bots (that's how we call them), reminded us to vote many times before it was even noon. Good thing we voted around noon, so they called just twice before I informed them that we voted for our leader (lol nope)...
During presidential campaign every single television station was 24/7 spreading leading party propaganda, you could see other candidates once in a blue moon. Every single newspaper as well (I think now one foreign agency owns every major news in country, they just recycle same news that come from the source). Only place where you could hear different opinion is the Internet, of course. Kinda hard to moderate it.
But here's a catch, this nation is extraordinary old and extremely uneducated (due to wars). Old people don't browse Internet, they are glued to TV 24/7. With new party came new channel, some soft core porn reality shit that is owned by small time criminal who can't read or write (still a millionaire, so fuck me). Old people love it because actual cheap whores with venereal diseases and some random thugs and thieves are screaming at each other and fucking like rabbits. They like that shit, so it became second national television so to speak. Hosting our great leader every goddamn night in same stupid political show.
It's like 1984, only more primitive because it isn't happening in England but one of the 'stans (that's how Ottomans called their conquered lands). This would be Serbistan, with Erdogan like character in power, who both are controlled by papa Putin. It kinda sucks when your country is nothing but some shitty, insignificant copy of Russia. No wonder I'm not proud nationalist like Oberyn is. What I have to be proud of?
Yes, I'm a brainwashed liberal socialist because I won't call Hitller a socialist and thus call all socialists Hitller which is your endgame I guess :rolleyes:
Well Germany is always looking to start wars, they just aren't very good at winning them . I think It's a very bad idea to try to threaten or blackmail the UK over brexit, as they could very well rejoin someday if it returns to the integrity of it's original mission and doesn't overstep it's boundaries.
Holy fuck. It's always the Germans. Now they pressured the Isle Apes into the Brexit and secretly told Spain to start a war with them over Gibraltar afterwards. Kinda fucked up. I bet they were behind the retarded British tabloid crusade against the EU that had been going on for decades in the first place.
The party and it's various organizations were the community.. the only community because of fascism obviously.
I guess either us two, or maybe our countries or continents have a different perception of what socialism is. I hope our conversation did help you to understand that there is more to this different perception, then just being "brainwashed".
I for one will consider your points when I should be confronted with similar to your ideas in the future, although I dont concur.
Watching a certain type of American trying to apply their 1-dimensional political spectrum to anything outside of their own country is amazing.
'not Right'='Left'='Liberal'='Socialist' - all synonyms, use them interchangeably
This is how I imagine Gryt reading a Wikipedia article:
Inconceivable that a party could attempt to take aspects from 2 or more existing parties, or implement their own redefined brand of Socialism but from a far-right angle. Nope, papa told me the liberals deny that Hitler was a liberal in his famously anti-liberalist party and that's why we vote Republican in this here household.
You're right. Socialists can only be do-gooders who accept refugees. They couldn't possibly also be fascists, bigots or racists, that would be impossible. You Europeans are so smart it must be my ignorant continental brain.(click to show/hide)
I thought they taught you brainwashed liberals not to assume things
Watching a certain type of American trying to apply their 1-dimensional political spectrum to anything outside of their own country is amazing.
'not Right'='Left'='Liberal'='Socialist' - all synonyms, use them interchangeably
your mic drop moment is flawed, as your argument is the underlining of our conversation: people calling themselves (national)socialists without being socialists arent socialists.
imagine a make believe "party of cuddly carebears" having imperialistic and racist tendencies and building a fascist state the moment they come to power: they might say they like to cuddle, but what they really like doing is invading russia and killing jews. with cute puppy shaped killerbeams coming from their bellies.
anyways. I dont get why you were on the defense there, was I condescending of any sort? neither am I in any way defending socialism, or standing up for it. I am simply not seeing nationalsocialism being socialism.
Inconceivable that a party could attempt to take ideologies from 2 or more existing parties, or implement their own redefined brand of Socialism but from a far-right angle.
where am I contradicting myself? how can something be socialist that lacks the defining trait of socialism? [/spoiler]
ah nm. was fun though : )
Ok if they weren't socialists then what were they? Capitalists? Communists? Ancient Egyptians?
Ok if they weren't socialists then what were they? Capitalists? Communists? Ancient Egyptians?
Fascist? The idea of total mobilization of a nation for war was a fascist invention and utilised in Italy and Japan during the pre-war period, it hadn't ever been undertaken in such a way even during the 1st world war. It relied on both capitalists free market, socialist interventionist and other protectionist principles in developing the economy. If any form of national investment is socialism then every single government in the history of mankind is left wing. Categorization and labels mean pretty much nothing when politics are taken to the extreme.
You're really oversimplifying shit my dude. Nathzee Germany had market economy in place, that's not socialism, and like Torben said, how can you simply call something socialist when it lacks the defining trait, that being a planned economy.
You can't really apply the common rules for a dictatorship preparing for war.
The whole industry was aimed at war preparation right from the get go as soon as Hitler came to power.
It's wrongly assumed it was a market economy, it was mixed with the most vital sectors being regulated by central planning. Businesses were private only in name, they were all regulated by panels of indoctrinated party socialists.
It's really simple actually, the entire nation was socialist because of mandatory fascist indoctrination.
NG military spending by year compared to the UK
1935: 8% (UK 2% of nation’s GDP)
1936: 13% (UK 5% of nation’s GDP)
1937: 13% (UK 7% of nation’s GDP)
1938: 17% (UK 8% of nation’s GDP)
1939: 23% (UK 22% of nation’s GDP)
1940: 38% (UK 53% of nation’s GDP)
1941: 47% (UK 60% of nation’s GDP)
1942: 55% (UK 64% of nation’s GDP)
1943: 61% (UK 63% of nation’s GDP)
NG was extremely efficient, they could do much more with fewer resources. Their technology was top notch. I'm not sure where UK was spending their budget, but if NG had time to properly focus on UK British Isles would become part of the history just like Atlantis. UK forces were hiding in bunkers most of the war, they didn't capitulate like French but were conquered almost just as much. They weren't force to reckon most of the WWII.
That is why people from Germany and Eastern Europe can't stand WWII movies that come from Anglo-Saxon lands. D-Day wasn't important at all, it happened when NG already colapsed yet you make as crucial point that tipped the tides of war on one side. Western front was a joke compared to Eastern Front, where true battle was fought. Without Eastern Front, Nazi would conquer the whole world in less than two years.
Redpilled af, I like it. Genuine question Leshma, what were your views like 5 years ago? I really have hope for the future.
Gryt has a point. Fascism is an idea that was based on the works of Nietzsche, where someone obviously not intelligent enough misinterpreted what writer was saying in his books. Fascism is all about same things now alt-right stands for, that we're wild, free people who love and cherish violence and there should be no laws that stop us from fucking up each other as evolution intended. Stronger human wins, that law of nature should be upheld above everything else according to Fascism. Large majority of you support fascist ideas, not saying you are wrong for doing that just stating the facts.
When it comes to leading the state, Nazi used combination of capitalism and socialism. They have chosen parts of each ideologies according to their own belief in efficiency. They weren't wrong, whole world had to step up in order to stop one medium sized country.
We can act like morally upstanding individuals as much we like, but there is no logic in denying the fact that chocolate chip cookie Germany was extremely well working country. If not for huge sacrifice people from Soviet Union have taken, they would conquer Soviet Union much faster and United States wouldn't have the time to stop Germany from advancing. At that point it would be USA vs rest of the world which didn't seem doable back in early 1940s.
Fifty years from now, world is largely plagued by those who they branded as problematic species and tried to exterminate. What is the source of inequality? Modern economy based on banks. Who runs those banks? Jews, of course. Blackrock, Goldman Sachs, board of directors full of Jewish people. Who are the people who abuse socialism? Black people in United States, Muslim refugees in Europe. Biggest troublemakers are exactly those people Nazis branded as such.
Communist state was heavily relying on military, just like fascist Germany. Because communists knew only way for their plan to work is to conquer the whole world. Just like capitalism tried to eradicate communism, same was happening on the other side.
Capitalism will always win against communism in fair battle because it is relying on basic instincts while communism needs special circumstances to succeed. Communism can only work in vacuum, without other options or opinions present. It is ideology with clear goals, that resembles religion because it serves like life guide. Only freedom you get in communism ideally is freedom from oppression by higher class. You sacrifice all other freedoms for it. In the end you're still oppressed by higher class because our society, just like ant society is built around vertical hierarchy. There needs to be different kind of society for ideas like communism to work.
I think that somebody wrote that Lenin tried to make such society by giving power back to the people, so called decentralized government or no actual government where every group of people governed by themselves. It backfired of course, because as soon you do that people start oppressing each other on micro level, so called local Lords pop up (happens in every chaos like war in Ukraine for example).
So yeah, for communism to work we need to be optimal people with vast knowledge and 100% sane. But when (if) time comes when every adult human is like there would be no need for governments or ideologies. Communism is more like a path to that state than actual working government model.
Why people stand for it in such vast quantities? They want huge change because it gives them possibility for better life. Every massive change does that to society, nouveau riche pop up everywhere.
So then what's the endgame of capitalism? What to do with the pleb if the owners don't need their workforce or military service anymore due technological advancement? Marx tried to show that the owners are not needed for value generation and should be cut out of the equation. Now it seems this could be inverted and the workers could be cut out in the future - starting with the unskilled ones. Fortunately engineers are among the last ones that would have to go. Still it's kinda terrifying.
So then what's the endgame of capitalism? What to do with the pleb if the owners don't need their workforce or military service anymore due technological advancement? Marx tried to show that the owners are not needed for value generation and should be cut out of the equation. Now it seems this could be inverted and the workers could be cut out in the future - starting with the unskilled ones. Fortunately engineers are among the last ones that would have to go. Still it's kinda terrifying.Yes, it'd be terrifying to not be your job anymore. To do what you want with your life, instead of wasting more than one third of it slaving away for some CEO's profits.
Yes, it'd be terrifying to not be your job anymore. To do what you want with your life, instead of wasting more than one third of it slaving away for some CEO's profits.
Well, my job is mostly fun. I'm one of two engineers in our company, the other being my "CEO". Today I was troubleshooting the firmware for a piece of electronics we developed, forgetting the time, but solving the problem at the end of the day. Believe it or not, that is for me far more satisfying than 24/7ning a game, a forum or whatever you do.Believe it or not, most people aren't engineers that enjoy their jobs.
Yes they were Fascist in the sense that they were heavily indoctrinated socialists. They allowed Private ownership because they had such a strong socialist party indoctrination that noone would dare oppose it's socio economic plans.
You don't need to waste time officially nationalizing every single businesses if people know they will be labeled a traitor and killed for breaking the socialist economic policy
Fascism does not make them any less socialist, it only refers to the indoctrination, you could be fascist capitalists, communists, socialists.
But that isn't what fascism means...
Fascism doesn't refer to the indoctrination it refers to a political ideology which pursues ultra-nationalist goals, normally focusing upon Anti Libralism and Anti Communism. Fascist ideology by its nature is against any form of egalitarianism (a core principle of both socialism and communism) placing the national / ethnic identity above all others and promotes violence as the means towards achieving most of its aims.
Actually the Naazis did favor egalitarianism on an Ultra Nationalist party level, the SS and other radical party members being favored over the traditional Prussian military families is a good example of this and actually caused quite alot of friction
Ultra-National socialist labor policies also required everyone work and guaranteed employment to those who otherwise would not have it, this is as socialist as it gets.
or are you saying favoring partymembers over non party members is egalitarian, while in fact it is the opposite?
elimination of labor unions, forced labor... arent socialist traits.
Several gunmen spotted in differenct locations in downtown Stockholm. A reporter says he saw atleast five dead bodies.
Yes. One recently arrested.Thank god the male officers arrest him. We all saw on youtube what happens when female officers 'try' to arrest someone...
https://www.facebook.com/daniel.unver/posts/10155082038535429(click to show/hide)
looks amish
Thank god the male officers arrest him. We all saw on youtube what happens when female officers 'try' to arrest someone...
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so this is how you turn the most peace loving open minded country sooner or later into a fachist shithole :/
You have no idea lol
Biggest party according to recent polls with 25% was literally a national socialist party just 20 years ago. All of my friends and family have made a 180 in politics, and a lot of people are even becoming racist. People outside Sweden actually have no clue how bad it is. Then again, I live nearby a ghetto. You're not gonna hear things like from upper class white people living in Lidingö tho.
You have no idea lol
Biggest party according to recent polls with 25% was literally a national socialist party just 20 years ago. All of my friends and family have made a 180 in politics, and a lot of people are even becoming racist. People outside Sweden actually have no clue how bad it is. Then again, I live nearby a ghetto. You're not gonna hear things like from upper class white people living in Lidingö tho.
There are a hand full of people with way more knowledge on this than any of us, who seem to have similar problems in defining what national socialism is, so I aint even sad about it. its just totally mind boggling o0
and shows how important it is to have clear definitions.
That's not egalitarianism that is Anti Conservatism, anything relating to National Renewal and 'Changing of the old guard' is typical of a fascist ideologue.
Yes. One recently arrested.
https://www.facebook.com/daniel.unver/posts/10155082038535429(click to show/hide)
looks amish
Dude looks like non fat Panos
Which is just another reminder that Socialism lead to Fascism, so why do you continue to argue that there is only one true form of acceptable socialism?
Wait a minute Casimir... are you saying that the chocolate chip cookies were left wing liberal socialists gone mad? Now we're getting somewhere
If we are comparatively judging them to other nations of the time period, which would be logical, such as the UK, I would agree.
If your only going to selectively respond to the arguments I make against your rediculious hypothesis I see no point in replying any further.
Fascists were right wing ultra-nationalists who used elements of socialist ideology and economic thought. They are in no way of the same vein of political thought as contemporary socialism.
Anti-Conservatism is essentially what we refer to today as populism, it's generally what we now call anti-establishment. Much like modern populism it garners support from disinfranchised of both the right and left but almost always veers towards Rlight wing nationalism as an answer to any socio-political problems.
I've yet to meet violent refugee, must be because those stuck in Serbia are actual families while those who crossed the borders among first were male insurgents. They mostly stay near the govt. building that provides them with some aid and in nearby parks. Very few, if any incidents so far.
On the other hand in my neighborhood bunch of young people identifying themselves as neonazi were marching, saluting to einstein and shouting. Police escorted them while nearby police van was parked nearby just in case they start wrecking havoc. They didn't do anything that required police intervention.
As it turns out, people harm others when they have good reason for it, revenge, some cause/order or money and less when they just under influence. Very few cases of violence and murder is result of chaotic situation getting bad, there has to be better reason for it.
I believe it is same when it comes to raping women. They don't do it because they are animals, they are doing it because someone told/paid them to do it. It is indoctrination, not basic instincts.
When I think of my parents told me what happened during war, it wasn't that chaotic. People were prepared, told what to do and expect in return. Murder and pillaging were planned not circumstantial.
Like I said many pages ago,
If you find anyone online that argues tooth-and-nail that the Nazis were far-left rather than the commonly-accepted far-right, that person is going to be from a specific part of the US.
It comes from an ability to zoom in on the word 'Socialist' and ignore every other descriptor. There's little sense arguing, if your post doesn't contain the word 'Socialist' it wont be of interest and if it does then it's the only word he'll see. Could've saved you a few pages.
I can give you the dictionary definition but your mistake so far is equating every aspect of Socialism to pure Socialism, eg. if it ticks one of the below boxes it must tick all the boxes. A party was called the 'National Socialists' and to you they are 'Socialists' (far-left) before they are 'Nationalists' (far-right).
socialism
ˈsəʊʃəlɪz(ə)m/Submit
noun
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
synonyms: leftism, Fabianism, syndicalism, consumer socialism, utopian socialism, welfarism; More
policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
synonyms: leftism, Fabianism, syndicalism, consumer socialism, utopian socialism, welfarism; More
(in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.
I use the conventional definitions of far right:
I could say the same, when a 'Nationalist' experiment fails suddenly it's Socialist.
You chaulked up the worst practices of Nazism to the 'degenerate left' earlier in this thread. Well which of the above two ideologies encompasses oppression and violence against groups of people based on their racial inferiority? Is it really the 'Socialist' part of their party title that leant itself to that ideology?
You mean my dictionary definition of Socialism?
Socialist economy does not negate a Nationalist everything else. And it wasn't the economy that rounded up all the Jews was it?
A curious question. I suspect every Socialist ideology is in some way inspired by the founder of Socialism, for reasons that should be obvious.
If you would follow the link you posted you'd see that 'On the Jewish Question' is absolutely not a book regarding the destruction of the Jewish people as a race. That's clutching at straws, to go back 100 years to find a single Socialist text concerning 'the Jew' (one that if you actually looked at it in no way encourages or even theoretically explores the destruction of them as a race). When anti-Semitism was a prevailing force in his own day, you don't need to look back so far and so desperately to look for his inspirations - unless of course you're only looking for the Socialist ones in which case keep looking lol cos this book doesn't say what you thought it did when you posted that link.
So back to you, is it really far fetched to think that Nazism was highly inspired by Nationalism, ethnocentrism, ultraconservative tradition and racial theory? Any dictionary, any encyclopaedia, any academic definition you find of Nazism will describe them as far-right.
An uncited quote (removed from context) from the one that isn't Marx. Nice.
And is Hitler a Marxist now? That's a bit of a leap, Fascism is opposed to Marxism. Or were the Nazis also not Fascist where you're from?
The classes and races to weak to master the new conditions of life must give way . . . They must perish in the revolutionary Holocaust - Karl MarxSounds mean... is not really cuz he is talking not about a forced short-term active process but a passive long-term effect.
back on topic...At this point I just hope Trump decides to bomb us next.
This is touching.....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4389490/Berlin-woman-34-plans-MARRY-brother-Anis-Amri.html
At this point I just hope Trump decides to bomb us next.
stop necroing threads you god damned FUCKING COMMUNISTS
Don't blame him, he's a millennial German.
I think its important to note that many of these traitor monuments were erected in the early to mid 1900s specifically to alienate and intimidate black folks during Jim Crow times and the civil rights movement.
Baloney. I very much doubt that any blacks were alienated or intimidated in the early 1900s by statues of Robert E. Lee or a generic Con-federate soldier. The statues were put up to commemorate what those people considered to be a brave and desperate fight for their homes and country.
LOL whoever runs these board must be a member of Antifa or BLM. Con-federate is filtered and replaced by traitor. How Kafkaesque, like the Star Chamber.
Baloney. I very much doubt that any blacks were alienated or intimidated in the early 1900s by statues of Robert E. Lee or a generic Con-federate soldier. The statues were put up to commemorate what those people considered to be a brave and desperate fight for their homes and country.
I think its important to note that many of these traitor monuments were erected in the early to mid 1900s specifically to alienate and intimidate black folks during Jim Crow times and the civil rights movement.
Psh Grytviken, you just don't understand the black struggle. I'm sure african-americans and brainwashed marxists are going to rise up against the awful slavery pygmies are subjected to in the Congo by their brethren, an evil that must be collectivized and shouldered by the entirety of the black race. I mean, they've been genocided, enslaved and treated like subhumans for thousands of years by their bantu masters, something that is defended as a "time honored tradition". Clearly this evil cannot be extended in the CURRENT YEAR.
What is your excuse for stupid cunts digging up the graves of conf3derate soldiers, you utter mong? "Hm well you see these white identified racist bodies rotting in the ground is actually a microagression and racism and Jim Crow and Civil Rights era and" lol fuck you, you moronic cunt.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3528236/Male-Norwegian-politician-raped-asylum-seeker-says-feels-GUILTY-attacker-deported-man-suffer-Somalia.html
HAHHAHAHA
Care to link? Tearing down racist symbols in public spaces is a little different than digging up graves. Not all leftists are the caricatures you seem to want to argue with.
There is a natural disgust in the minds of nearly all white people to the idea of indiscriminate amalgamation of the white and black races ... A separation of the races is the only perfect preventive of amalgamation, but as an immediate separation is impossible, the next best thing is to keep them apart where they are not already together. If white and black people never get together in Kansas, they will never mix blood in Kansas ...
In the language of Mr. Jefferson, uttered many years ago, "It is still in our power to direct the process of emancipation, and deportation, peaceably, and in such slow degrees, as that the evil will wear off insensibly; and in their places be, pari passu [on an equal basis], filled up by free white laborers."
I have no purpose directly or indirectly to interfere with the institution of slavery in the states where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.
I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the white and black races. There is physical difference between the two which, in my judgment, will probably forever forbid their living together upon the footing of perfect equality, and inasmuch as it becomes a necessity that there must be a difference, I, as well as Judge Douglas, am in favor of the race to which I belong having the superior position.
Our republican system was meant for a homogeneous people. As long as blacks continue to live with the whites they constitute a threat to the national life. Family life may also collapse and the increase of mixed breed bastards may some day challenge the supremacy of the white man.
Ugh I can't believe monuments to this evil racist shitlord are still up today. It goes against everything in Western civilization. Oh wait, those are Lincoln quotes? Well, I still stand by it. I'm sure Washington himself was never a "racist", or anyone else in the history of the US up until 1968. The retarded "MUH WACISM" arguement isn't going to be taken to its logical conclusion, we just need to appease these postmodernist historically illiterate retards by throwing them a bone or two.
btw Generals Ulysses S Grant and William T Sherman both owned slaves as wellI'm afraid that's a negative. You can say that "Ulysses S. Grant owned slaves" but it's still disingenuous. To the best of my knowledge the only written record implying that Grant legally owned a slave is the receipt of sorts that Grant wrote setting him free. While living with his father-in-law in Missouri Grant did work with slaves, but didn't own them. Even during the war when his wife was given a number of slaves by her father to take care of the house and such they were still owned by Frederick Dent, not Grant, who was obviously fighting.
traitor chocolate chip cookie einstein is my favorite.
The concept that a person has to apologise for something they did not personally do or take part in is ludicrous.
Every discussion of slavery and white guilt boils down to the inherently racist view that white man "should know better" unlike the poor ignorant savages with their already thriving slave trade.
Boy I don't know why or how this thread started talking about slavery, but it sure passes the time.
Everything about this subject has already been said on this forum. I'll just say it again. Western cultures are the most peaceful, tolerant and prosperous on the entire planet. Admitting as much is racist though, and must be riddled with caveats about how we don't really deserve it and the only redeeming feature of western civilization is blind fucking luck. The usual fucking suspects crying about "racism" were predictable. It's the Neo-white man's burden retard script, the europeans with their colonialism and warmongering are responsible for all the evils of the world
and subsequently self-medicated with alcohol and cannabis.
It's why to this day when some bundle of sticks tells me "OMG did you see Grave of the Fireflies? Such a beautiful movie about suffering in WW2"
Nobody applies a subjective view to history when it's close to home. The Murican civil war was a threat to the Union, an idea most Americans are raised to despise. Actually, the Murican Civil War was the 'proportional response' to a threat to the Union's integrity right? Colour me ignorant, but the South didn't declare war on the North right?
The Independence War was all legal and fine because the truths were... selfevident... or something. But leave the USA without permission? Oh hell no. There's no illusion of impartiality in the way these events are celebrated and remembered.
The fact that few people question the convenience of "You can tell they were the baddies cos slaves" is just a bonus.
To see the generations-long propaganda machine reinvent basic concepts of right and wrong, simply ask an american about Hiroshima/Nagasaki. Sometimes I wonder about a parallel stream of history where the Nazis and not the US had invested years of research, investment, and tests into developing a city-killing bomb, designed to kill large urban civilian centres and irradiate the area for decades. And as a last-gasp dropped the bomb on New York and Boston to try and 'end the war' when eastern and western fronts began to collapse. I wonder if American schools would still teach that dropping nukes on your enemy saves lives in the long run. I wonder if any country today would maintain active stockpiles of those weapons if the Nazis had been the ones to first design and use them, and if it had been US cities that had purpose-built city-killers dropped on them before the war's end. I'm being rhetorical, of course we know the world would condemn that action as the single worst war crime in human history, there'd be a day of mourning each year to remember the day it happened, and those weapons would enjoy a worse status than chemical/biological weapons do today. Instead we have a history where the 'good guys' dropped them to save lives xD and everyone else developed copies ASAP to avoid being the next historical baddie.
It's a curious thing.
Nobody applies a subjective view to history when it's close to home. The Murican civil war was a threat to the Union, an idea most Americans are raised to despise. Actually, the Murican Civil War was the 'proportional response' to a threat to the Union's integrity right? Colour me ignorant, but the South didn't declare war on the North right?Exactly.
The Independence War was all legal and fine because the truths were... selfevident... or something. But leave the USA without permission? Oh hell no. There's no illusion of impartiality in the way these events are celebrated and remembered.
Exactly.
All this "Con-fe-derates were traitors!!" talk is pretty hilarious. Traitors to what? Why should millions have to die so that one guy can rule over all the states, even though 10+ states want to secede? Where is it written that he has the Holy Right to rule over people that don't want him to rule over them? The war was monstrous -- from the Union side. They got a ton of people killed because they were power hungry.
And like you say, the Independence War is a perfect counterpoint. Well of course it's alright to want to govern yourself, as long as, uh, well... as long as I'm the one who does the governing! But if someone else wants to govern themselves as well.... that's just not right!
I'm sure Freedom For Slaves was indeed the real reason for the war. That's totally how human nature works; you go get killed and get all your friends killed for some abstract ideal that, let's face it, nobody really gave a shit about. How else would racism have been such a big deal for hundreds of years after the civil war? What was the position of the blacks after it ended? If people were so horrified of slavery, surely they made restitution for all the suffering, and blacks were considered equal to the white man ever since. And Lincoln certainly never said anything racist! Or how'd it go again...
And yet if they'd won that would have been their Lexington Concord. Now you're a good little American, I'm sure you salute the flag longer than anyone else and thank Jesus for it every night, so I bet you've convinced yourself that the Confederacy was planning to invade the north and therefore overwhelming force was the only option. It was self-defense guys, our only option! It's amazing how dewy-eyed you all get over the excuses you made for independence, whilst it clearly wasn't long before Abe Lincoln decided to play the role of King George III and fight an Imperialist war to keep his extra land. I wonder if pappa Lincoln was thinking about liberty and freedom from tyranny when he instigated the worst conflict in your history.
The only reason those states aren't celebrating two days of Independence this year is because Mr Imperialist boss-man decided he didn't like seeing other people touch his stuff.
This is why I'd love a glimpse into a parallel stream of history where the bomb was dropped on your country instead as a last gasp before Nazi Germany collapsed. I'd love to hear you lecture me on all the lives it saved, rather than a rant about how it was the worst war crime in human history. I'm sure you wouldn't do that if bad-guy Nazi's had spent years developing a weapon made specially for killing cities and making them uninhabitable for generations, then dropped them on your country.
If those weapons had let NG win the war then you'd be sucking Nazi cock and saying the same words you're saying now. But if NG still lost then you'd be telling me how pathetic and cowardly it was.
If Germany had developed the bomb first and targeted American industry in the same way then yes, that would have saved lives compared to a German invasion of the American mainland.
And yet if they'd won that would have been their Lexington Concord. Now you're a good little American, I'm sure you salute the flag longer than anyone else and thank Jesus for it every night, so I bet you've convinced yourself that the Confederacy was planning to invade the north and therefore overwhelming force was the only option. It was self-defense guys, our only option! It's amazing how dewy-eyed you all get over the excuses you made for independence, whilst it clearly wasn't long before Abe Lincoln decided to play the role of King George III and fight an Imperialist war to keep his extra land. I wonder if pappa Lincoln was thinking about liberty and freedom from tyranny when he instigated the worst conflict in your history.
The only reason those states aren't celebrating two days of Independence this year is because Mr Imperialist boss-man decided he didn't like seeing other people touch his stuff.
And after witnessing the immense destructive power of such a weapon the powerful nations of the world went to war again in a third World War, causing unimaginable death and ending humanity.
No, wait. Something seems off about that...
I'm sure Freedom For Slaves was indeed the real reason for the war. That's totally how human nature works; you go get killed and get all your friends killed for some abstract ideal that, let's face it, nobody really gave a shit about. How else would racism have been such a big deal for hundreds of years after the civil war? What was the position of the blacks after it ended? If people were so horrified of slavery, surely they made restitution for all the suffering, and blacks were considered equal to the white man ever since. And Lincoln certainly never said anything racist! Or how'd it go again...
But wait! The US was far from the only country with slaves. If the Union was willing to get millions of Americans killed for the Good of The Slaves, then there's no doubt they embarked on a crusade after the war was over to End Slavery Once And For All everywhere. Or if not everywhere, then certainly they'd have invaded Brazil over it, which was a worse offender than the US. But they didn't. Why not? Why was it arbitrarily worse for slavery to exist in the traitor states, a line drawn on the map, than it was in South America, so close to the Union as well?
Could it perhaps be because they weren't really on a crusade to End The Suffering Of The Slaves, and the war was about something else? Hmm...
There is no path to secession in the Constitution, secession of States, counties, municipalities, and people is illegal.And this right here demonstrates Westwood's intelligence, or, as it happens, lack thereof.
And this right here demonstrates Westwood's intelligence, or, as it happens, lack thereof.
"Legal" and "illegal" are arbitrary things defined by the state, and the state is nothing more than the body that holds monopoly on the use of violence within a geographic region. Countering an argument for rebellion/secession with "BUT THAT'S NOT LEGAL!!!!" is the epitome of retardation. Where was the "legal path to secession" for the US when they decided they didn't want to be ruled by the UK anymore? Oh, but that's right, you said, "I see you don't believe that humans possess any natural rights and instead prefer to remain an unwashed peon sucking MAGNUM MONARCH DONG for all eternity", and you're probably too dense to notice the hilarious contradiction.
Westwood would've made for a terrific Nazi supporter too, everything would have been fine as long as it's legal, and resisting would've been bad because it's illegal. Or maybe... I mean, it's hard to say when he keeps contradicting himself every post.
It's also hilarious that he makes fun of Heskey's English, when the post before the last was some of the worst writing I've ever laid my eyes on.
Tell me what exactly about a free and fair election you think should be resisted through force of arms.The South didn't invade the North, did they? They didn't try to claim more territory for themselves through force of arms, did they?
The South didn't invade the North, did they? They didn't try to claim more territory for themselves through force of arms, did they?The Union wasn't the power altering the state of the nation, the Southern States seceded and fired on Fort Sumter without justification, unlike the Thirteen Colonies. I see your official position is that no nation can ever have any right to put down a violent insurrection. It is good and necessary for people to rise against a tyrant, but that is not justified in this scenario unlike that of the Revolutionary War. Are all Europeans this colossally retarded or just Finns? I'm inclined to think all of them.
Tell me exactly what right did the Union have to rule over the traitor states, despite the traitor states wanting to secede? Where in the fabric of the Universe is it written that the Union had the Holy Right to rule over the traitor states? What justifies them killing millions just so they can tell some people what to do? What gives the Union any more right to govern the traitor states than the GB had to govern the US?
Answer: no right, nowhere, nothing, nothing. Anyone not looking at it through brainwash-colored glasses can see the Union had no more right to go to war with the traitor states than Russia has the right to annex Ukraine.
The Union wasn't the power altering the state of the nation, the Southern States seceded and fired on Fort Sumter without justification, unlike the Thirteen Colonies. I see your official position is that no nation can ever have any right to put down a violent insurrection. It is good and necessary for people to rise against a tyrant, but that is not justified in this scenario unlike that of the Revolutionary War. Are all Europeans this colossally retarded or just Finns? I'm inclined to think all of them.Ah yes, it's okay to rebel against a "tyrant," so long as you (the winning side) gets to define who it is.
Nobody invaded anyone, it was all the United States of America. You just keep grasping for false moral equivalencies. Russia invading Ukraine, where do you get these perversions? You really don't know what you're talking about, just stay in your irrelevant ice swamp.
Ah yes, it's okay to rebel against a "tyrant," so long as you (the winning side) gets to define who it is.
Russia didn't invade Ukraine, it's all just Russia. Ukraine just mistakenly thought it could secede. But it did so illegally and without justification.
You realize you're a cultural Marxist right? You're denying the existence of objective morality.Of course I'm denying the existence of objective morality, I'm not an idiot who thinks there's some Code of Morality written in burning letters in the sky.
Are you going to explain how Lincoln was a tyrant two months prior to his inauguration? You haven't really laid out any basis for your claims, you just keep making more retarded claims.
Of course I'm denying the existence of objective morality, I'm not an idiot who thinks there's some Code of Morality written in burning letters in the sky.
I don't recall calling Lincoln a tyrant.
You're badly grasping at straws now, none of what you say has anything to do with what I said.
Dang dude you're a retard AND a communist? Man, Europe deserves its rape. You're not even fucking human.You, on the other hand, sound like a model human being.
The Union wasn't the power altering the state of the nation, the Southern States seceded and fired on Fort Sumter without justification, unlike the Thirteen Colonies. I see your official position is that no nation can ever have any right to put down a violent insurrection. It is good and necessary for people to rise against a tyrant, but that is not justified in this scenario unlike that of the Revolutionary War. Are all Europeans this colossally retarded or just Finns? I'm inclined to think all of them.
Isn't it convenient how the US always managed to end up on the correct side of 'objective morality' in every period of it's history that Westwood was taught at school? When the 13 Colonies decided to leave the British Empire illegally and defend their claim through force of arms, it was 'objectively moral'. But when the South decided to leave the US illegally and defend their claim through force of arms, it was 'objectively immoral'.
On one page defends nuking cities to protect the lives of US servicemen. On the other defends the most costly war in US history, a war the US could have entirely avoided. If the lives of historical servicemen actually mattered to you, then 'honest Abe' should've swallowed his pride and withdrawn all military from those States the moment they stopped belonging to the US. Ah, but I forgot... it's objectively moral to send over 500,000 soldiers to their deaths if someone tries to gain independence, if only the South had used 'Self Evident Truths' then their actions would have been objectively moral and they would have inevitably won instead. Silly me, forgetting how history works.
Europeans should really stay in their lane.
...and that's why I'm ok with every violent insurrection devised by man, especially when the purpose of that violent insurrection is to maintain the subjugation of one people to another for economic gain. I am also ok with tens of millions of deaths as long as they are accomplished through payloads smaller than 22 kilotons of TNT, including indiscriminate gassing of civilian population centers.
Dropping the bombs saved millions of Japanese civilians.
The estimated lives that were saved by dropping two Atomic bombs on civilians are just estimates, and should naturally be left open for debate.
First the Japanese attacked the United States without a formal declaration of war, second the Japanese were considered a lesser race in the eyes of most Americans in the 1940's. Combine these two and there is little sympathy left since they self-fulfilled the "savage" stereotype by their conduct in the eyes of the American public. Do you believe we would have used Atomic weapons against Germany had they not surrendered so early?
If you're comparing dropping the bombs to the alternative, the invasion of the Japanese home islands, then the bombs saved lives. Numbers being debated is fine, but that's not what's happening here. Heskey has just been taught to have a knee jerk emotional reaction to fission weapons by generations of scientifically ignorant flower-loving peace freaks.Only an American would defend atomic bombs with "but they saved lives!" :lol:(click to show/hide)
It's my understanding that the British wanted to use one on Berlin, but I'm not 100% on that. Regardless I would say Allied area bombing in Germany shows that contempt for our enemies applied to all. Even if the premise behind your question is true, what does that change about lives being saved?
Only an American would defend atomic bombs with "but they saved lives!" :lol:
And you're wrong. As always.
http://www.nytimes.com/1988/10/29/opinion/l-a-bombing-of-japan-was-unnecessary-393488.html?mcubz=0
An opinion article that cites sources, retard.
A New York Times Opinion article from Gar (((Alperovitz))), the author of "America Beyond Capitalism." Nice.
Again, why such an emotional response to what is simply a bigger bomb? If you look at the Allied plans of invasion, our experiences on other Pacific islands, and the Japanese home island population the only logical conclusion is that the bombs saved lives.
I'm sorry, I forgot that cultural Marxists don't believe in linear logic. I also apologize for calling you a retard rather than respecting your Xe/Xim/Xant pronouns, I'll endeavor to be more accepting in the future, comrade.
When we first designed and created the atomic bomb, we made a specialised tool that is only effective at committing war crimes.
It is not 'just another bomb'
It can only ever be used to render an area of land (far too large to be used exclusively against military installations or personnel) unfit for human bla bla bla
Oh and you started developing it before you even joined the war so on
An opinion article that cites sources, retard.
In a Mad Max scenario the vast majority of people end up as a pile of bones buried underneath the shifting sands, rather than as wandering hermit badasses. The obsession with those sort of post-apocalyptic loner survivalist stories are the sad reflection of a narcissistic individualism that is promoted as normal. You're not special brah, you're not going to be wandering the ruins of New-New York fighting mutants or something, you're gonna puke your guts out from radiation poisoning and die along with your entire family and everyone you know.
Nope, i'm describing a tool. Different tools have different functions, not all machines are equal in function.
I imagine the rest of your post just kinda spirals out from your flawed premise there.
no you are
Nobody ever thinks about what would happen to the original York in this situation do they? Does that become New York?
Anime.
I'm pretty sure Westie here doesn't know what cultural Marxism means.
Do you consider chemical weapons and biological weapons to be simple tools of war too then? The international community (including your country) would equate the simple use of one of these as a war crime, but they're just simple tools of war that accomplish their purpose well, right? They also have a lot in common with the aftereffects of a nuclear blast.
Wait I forgot, they're not objectively good yet because the US didn't rely on them to win a war 70 years ago.
Pfff, these emotional responses to certain types of weapon that perform certain functions. A nuclear bomb is basically just big TNT right? Exactly the same thing, 100% the same. All the effects, the after-effects, the long-term effects, TNT. Boy do I look silly.
Nihilism and denial of objective morality are central to cultural Marxism. You can be one among millions of European degenerates but at least own it, do your thing man.It's called realism. You American have a long history of delusion, so I can see why you'd be very against that.
It's called realism. You American have a long history of delusion, so I can see why you'd be very against that.
visitors can't see pics , please register or loginSo where does objective morality come from? Talk to us about objective morality. I'm dying to know how you're going to justify its existence.
It's that easy, edgelord.
There's some room between childish morality fable and nihilistic postmodernism.
So now that terrorist attacks are a regular occurrence in Europe, how much do you expect these attacks to increase as Muslims become the majority in positions of authority like law enforcement for example in cities like Paris and London?
So now that terrorist attacks are a regular occurrence in Europe, how much do you expect these attacks to increase as Muslims become the majority in positions of authority like law enforcement for example in cities like Paris and London?
mysteriously they don't all just seem to regard them as 'bigger bombs'.
https://www.bbc.com/pidgin
Tax payer funded :lol:
I don't care if there are people who speak this language, this straight up promotes ignorance and stupidity. Imagine if every country comes to decide that language they teach in schools is too hard for citizens and embrace the street dialect, broken version of official language?
Someone is trying very hard to keep masses as ignorant as possible. Truly vile people run this world.
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Hahahaha yes that's Swedish! Stupid Swedes! Swedish cunts!
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Swedes have an uncontrollable interracial fetish, they can't even keep their fantasies out of orange juice commercials :lol:
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we stand proud
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https://youtu.be/slhesLZTqPM?t=156
There's a benefit to that. If you're performing these attacks you want impact and for people to make it a big deal. If nobody raises an eyebrow then the attack has failed, no wonder the guy didnt want to suicide bomb and left it there instead.
Since the media's been overegging it and providing terrorist-porn for the last few years maybe they'll change tact if people's appetites have changed.
Also fail bomb and nobody died.
"would've accomplished more with a knife"/10.
a disgusting obese she-beast.
I have always believed that even religiously-motivated terrorism needs a political cause to rally behind before a larger number of people are willing to risk/give their lives. To me, this is what all terrorism across all ages has in common. I believe the data in my wiki link and your wiki link is proof for this, both show a huge spike in Jihadi terrorism from 2014, a drop in 2016 and 2017 is on track to be significantly lower still. This is consistent with the size and influence of the 'Islamic State' over this same period.
But the fish would just keep swimming and fall into the dirt for easy pickups, unless Moses is a dick and makes the water flow again when the fish falls out.
Nope, the conservative-liberal party suggested it about a week ago but hasn't been voted on yet. Will probably be turned down.