Refugees "flooding" Europe !NEW POLL!

[Grytviken]

Watching a certain type of American trying to apply their 1-dimensional political spectrum to anything outside of their own country is amazing.

'not Right'='Left'='Liberal'='Socialist' - all synonyms, use them interchangeably

This is how I imagine Gryt reading a Wikipedia article:

Inconceivable that a party could attempt to take aspects from 2 or more existing parties, or implement their own redefined brand of Socialism but from a far-right angle. Nope, papa told me the liberals deny that Hitler was a liberal in his famously anti-liberalist party and that's why we vote Republican in this here household.

Heskey always attacking other's by their nationality first, how socialist of you...

ohhh wait, and assuming i'm registered with a certain political party 

 It's no wonder that you have such a hard time distinguishing where the fine line that divides Fascism from Socialism begins.

[Torben]

You're right. Socialists can only be do-gooders who accept refugees. They couldn't possibly also be fascists, bigots or racists, that would be impossible. You Europeans are so smart it must be my ignorant continental brain.

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your mic drop moment is flawed,  as your argument is the underlining of our conversation:  people calling themselves (national)socialists without being socialists arent socialists.

imagine a make believe "party of cuddly carebears" having imperialistic and racist tendencies and building a fascist state the moment they come to power:  they might say they like to cuddle,  but what they really like doing is invading russia and killing jews.  with cute puppy shaped killerbeams coming from their bellies.

anyways.  I dont get why you were on the defense there,  was I condescending of any sort?  neither am I in any way defending socialism,  or standing up for it.  I am simply not seeing nationalsocialism being socialism.

[Bittersteel]

I thought they taught you brainwashed liberals not to assume things

I'm a right-wing nationalist. I hate socialism and communism (this should really mean something for you americans), I want closed borders for my country (sweden) and I wish for us to leave the EU. But keep saying I'm a SJW snowflake commie,

Watching a certain type of American trying to apply their 1-dimensional political spectrum to anything outside of their own country is amazing.

'not Right'='Left'='Liberal'='Socialist' - all synonyms, use them interchangeably

All I did was not call Hilter a socialist lol

[Grytviken]

your mic drop moment is flawed,  as your argument is the underlining of our conversation:  people calling themselves (national)socialists without being socialists arent socialists.

imagine a make believe "party of cuddly carebears" having imperialistic and racist tendencies and building a fascist state the moment they come to power:  they might say they like to cuddle,  but what they really like doing is invading russia and killing jews.  with cute puppy shaped killerbeams coming from their bellies.

anyways.  I dont get why you were on the defense there,  was I condescending of any sort?  neither am I in any way defending socialism,  or standing up for it.  I am simply not seeing nationalsocialism being socialism.

Heksey literally answered for me.. all you are doing is contradicting yourself over and over

Inconceivable that a party could attempt to take ideologies from 2 or more existing parties, or implement their own redefined brand of Socialism but from a far-right angle.

[Torben]

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Heksey literally answered for me.. all you are doing is contradicting yourself over and over

where am I contradicting myself?  how can something be socialist that lacks the defining trait of socialism? 

ah nm.  was fun though : )

[Molly]

Gryt calls Merkel naive and Christian.
I call that a stupid statement.
I am brainwashed cuz I don't believe NS being socialist...

I dont even

[Grytviken]

where am I contradicting myself?  how can something be socialist that lacks the defining trait of socialism?  [/spoiler]

ah nm.  was fun though : )

Ok if they weren't socialists then what were they? Capitalists? Communists? Ancient Egyptians?

[Bittersteel]

Ok if they weren't socialists then what were they? Capitalists? Communists? Ancient Egyptians?

You're really oversimplifying shit my dude. Nathzee Germany had market economy in place, that's not socialism, and like Torben said, how can you simply call something socialist when it lacks the defining trait, that being a planned economy.

[Molly]

You can't really apply the common rules for a dictatorship preparing for war.
The whole industry was aimed at war preparation right from the get go as soon as Hitler came to power.

[Casimir]

Ok if they weren't socialists then what were they? Capitalists? Communists? Ancient Egyptians?

Fascist? The idea of total mobilization of a nation for war was a fascist invention and utilised in Italy and Japan during the pre-war period, it hadn't ever been undertaken  in such a way even during the 1st world war.  It relied on both capitalists free market, socialist interventionist and other protectionist principles in developing the economy.  If any form of national investment is socialism then every single government in the history of mankind is left wing.  Categorization and labels mean pretty much nothing when politics are taken to the extreme.

[Grytviken]

Fascist? The idea of total mobilization of a nation for war was a fascist invention and utilised in Italy and Japan during the pre-war period, it hadn't ever been undertaken  in such a way even during the 1st world war.  It relied on both capitalists free market, socialist interventionist and other protectionist principles in developing the economy.  If any form of national investment is socialism then every single government in the history of mankind is left wing.  Categorization and labels mean pretty much nothing when politics are taken to the extreme.

Yes they were Fascist in the sense that they were heavily indoctrinated socialists. They allowed Private ownership because they had such a strong socialist party indoctrination that noone would dare oppose  it's socio economic plans.

You don't need to waste time officially nationalizing every single businesses if people know they will be labeled a traitor and killed for breaking the socialist economic policy

Fascism does not make them any less socialist, it only refers to the indoctrination, you could be fascist capitalists, communists, socialists.

[Grytviken]

You're really oversimplifying shit my dude. Nathzee Germany had market economy in place, that's not socialism, and like Torben said, how can you simply call something socialist when it lacks the defining trait, that being a planned economy.

It's wrongly assumed it was a market economy, it was mixed with the most vital sectors being regulated by central planning. Businesses were private only in name, they were all regulated by panels of indoctrinated party socialists.

It's really simple actually, the entire nation was socialist because of mandatory fascist indoctrination.

You can't really apply the common rules for a dictatorship preparing for war.
The whole industry was aimed at war preparation right from the get go as soon as Hitler came to power.

NG military spending by year compared to the UK

1935: 8% (UK 2% of nation’s GDP)

1936: 13% (UK 5% of nation’s GDP)

1937: 13% (UK 7% of nation’s GDP)

1938: 17% (UK 8% of nation’s GDP)

1939: 23% (UK 22% of nation’s GDP)

1940: 38% (UK 53% of nation’s GDP) 

1941: 47% (UK 60% of nation’s GDP) 

1942: 55% (UK 64% of nation’s GDP)

1943: 61% (UK 63% of nation’s GDP)

[Leshma]

Gryt has a point. Fascism is an idea that was based on the works of Nietzsche, where someone obviously not intelligent enough misinterpreted what writer was saying in his books. Fascism is all about same things now alt-right stands for, that we're wild, free people who love and cherish violence and there should be no laws that stop us from fucking up each other as evolution intended. Stronger human wins, that law of nature should be upheld above everything else according to Fascism. Large majority of you support fascist ideas, not saying you are wrong for doing that just stating the facts.

When it comes to leading the state, Nazi used combination of capitalism and socialism. They have chosen parts of each ideologies according to their own belief in efficiency. They weren't wrong, whole world had to step up in order to stop one medium sized country.

We can act like morally upstanding individuals as much we like, but there is no logic in denying the fact that chocolate chip cookie Germany was extremely well working country. If not for huge sacrifice people from Soviet Union have taken, they would conquer Soviet Union much faster and United States wouldn't have the time to stop Germany from advancing. At that point it would be USA vs rest of the world which didn't seem doable back in early 1940s.

Fifty years from now, world is largely plagued by those who they branded as problematic species and tried to exterminate. What is the source of inequality? Modern economy based on banks. Who runs those banks? Jews, of course. Blackrock, Goldman Sachs, board of directors full of Jewish people. Who are the people who abuse socialism? Black people in United States, Muslim refugees in Europe. Biggest troublemakers are exactly those people Nazis branded as such.

[Bittersteel]

Redpilled af, I like it. Genuine question Leshma, what were your views like 5 years ago? I really have hope for the future.

[Leshma]

It's wrongly assumed it was a market economy, it was mixed with the most vital sectors being regulated by central planning. Businesses were private only in name, they were all regulated by panels of indoctrinated party socialists.

It's really simple actually, the entire nation was socialist because of mandatory fascist indoctrination.

NG military spending by year compared to the UK

1935: 8% (UK 2% of nation’s GDP)

1936: 13% (UK 5% of nation’s GDP)

1937: 13% (UK 7% of nation’s GDP)

1938: 17% (UK 8% of nation’s GDP)

1939: 23% (UK 22% of nation’s GDP)

1940: 38% (UK 53% of nation’s GDP) 

1941: 47% (UK 60% of nation’s GDP) 

1942: 55% (UK 64% of nation’s GDP)

1943: 61% (UK 63% of nation’s GDP)

NG was extremely efficient, they could do much more with fewer resources. Their technology was top notch. I'm not sure where UK was spending their budget, but if NG had time to properly focus on UK British Isles would become part of the history just like Atlantis. UK forces were hiding in bunkers most of the war, they didn't capitulate like French but were conquered almost just as much. They weren't force to reckon most of the WWII.

That is why people from Germany and Eastern Europe can't stand WWII movies that come from Anglo-Saxon lands. D-Day wasn't important at all, it happened when NG already colapsed yet you make as crucial point that tipped the tides of war on one side. Western front was a joke compared to Eastern Front, where true battle was fought. Without Eastern Front, Nazi would conquer the whole world in less than two years.