Refugees "flooding" Europe !NEW POLL!

[Bittersteel]

so this is how you turn the most peace loving open minded country sooner or later into a fachist shithole :/

You have no idea lol

Biggest party according to recent polls with 25% was literally a national socialist party just 20 years ago. All of my friends and family have made a 180 in politics, and a lot of people are even becoming racist. People outside Sweden actually have no clue how bad it is. Then again, I live nearby a ghetto. You're not gonna hear things like from upper class white people living in Lidingö tho.

[Torben]

You have no idea lol

Biggest party according to recent polls with 25% was literally a national socialist party just 20 years ago. All of my friends and family have made a 180 in politics, and a lot of people are even becoming racist. People outside Sweden actually have no clue how bad it is. Then again, I live nearby a ghetto. You're not gonna hear things like from upper class white people living in Lidingö tho.

ya, its always easy being a marxist do gooder if daddy gave you a porsche for last birthday

[WarLord]

You have no idea lol

Biggest party according to recent polls with 25% was literally a national socialist party just 20 years ago. All of my friends and family have made a 180 in politics, and a lot of people are even becoming racist. People outside Sweden actually have no clue how bad it is. Then again, I live nearby a ghetto. You're not gonna hear things like from upper class white people living in Lidingö tho.

Germany just lags a few years behind sweden here. We acutally got dozens of No-Go zones in all big cities already, offcially confirmed 10.000 + Salafists + unknown number of IS-sympathizers living here, while it"only" were less than 5.000 ~ 2 years ago.

There were around 30 knife, machete, fire, fist etc. attacks from so called "refugees", several 'accomplished killings' and several rapes this year alone, well and the list goes on. And those are the ones mentioned in main stream media.

Im living in the heart of the Ruhr, and while our small city is somewhat quiet, in all neighboring bigger cities there are locations, street of houses or entire districts where you simply can't safely walk through as white, non-muslim person, let alone as a non-muslim woman.

As as examply: The main shopping center of a neighbouring city, as soon as the dayligth fades, and more and more people leave the location, the more black and arabic men gather in groups of 5-15 men, shouting, drinking, smoking and molesting the few normal people that still dare to walk by.

This is just exemplary, it's like that in EVERY bigger city.

I seriously have no clue how our government thinks that will end, but it will, for sure, not end well.

There are several possible outcomes, and all of them are not nice, for no one.

But I guess still the majority shuts theirs mouth in fear of being called racists, but that will end when the mood is toppling over, and for sure it will when our society runs out of money to feed 3 + million  new people on welfare, who never payed anything in nor ever will. 

[Grytviken]

There are a hand full of people with way more knowledge on this than any of us,  who seem to have similar problems in defining what national socialism is,  so I aint even sad about it.  its just totally mind boggling o0

and shows how important it is to have clear definitions.

Which is just another reminder that Socialism lead to Fascism, so why do you continue to argue that there is only one true form of acceptable socialism?

[Grytviken]

That's not egalitarianism that is Anti Conservatism, anything relating to National Renewal and 'Changing of the old guard' is typical of a fascist ideologue. 

Wait a minute Casimir... are you saying that the chocolate chip cookies were left wing liberal socialists gone mad? Now we're getting somewhere

If we are comparatively judging them to other nations of the time period, which would be logical, such as the UK, I would agree.

[Prpavi]

Yes. One recently arrested.

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looks amish

Dude looks like non fat Panos

[IR_Kuoin]

Dude looks like non fat Panos

He couldn't get any cunt to lick.

[Torben]

Which is just another reminder that Socialism lead to Fascism, so why do you continue to argue that there is only one true form of acceptable socialism?

Wat

[Casimir]

Wait a minute Casimir... are you saying that the chocolate chip cookies were left wing liberal socialists gone mad? Now we're getting somewhere

If we are comparatively judging them to other nations of the time period, which would be logical, such as the UK, I would agree.

If your only going to selectively respond to the arguments I make against your rediculious hypothesis I see no point in replying any further.

Fascists were right wing ultra-nationalists who used elements of socialist ideology and economic thought.  They are in no way of the same vein of political thought as contemporary socialism.

Anti-Conservatism is essentially what we refer to today as populism, it's generally what we now call anti-establishment.  Much like modern populism it garners support from disinfranchised of both the right and left but almost always veers towards Rlight wing nationalism as an answer to any socio-political problems.

[Grytviken]

If your only going to selectively respond to the arguments I make against your rediculious hypothesis I see no point in replying any further.

Fascists were right wing ultra-nationalists who used elements of socialist ideology and economic thought.  They are in no way of the same vein of political thought as contemporary socialism.

Anti-Conservatism is essentially what we refer to today as populism, it's generally what we now call anti-establishment.  Much like modern populism it garners support from disinfranchised of both the right and left but almost always veers towards Rlight wing nationalism as an answer to any socio-political problems.

With all these novelty definitions of Socialism and Fascism it's a matter of opinion at the end of the day. Karl Marx himself called for the genocide of Scottish Highlanders, Serbians and Croats  as a means to achieve egalitarianism in the pamphlet "Hungarian Struggle".

 I disagree that they are not of the same vein of political thought, since many Socialist ideals are artificial I assume there are many different ways to achieve them. The National Socialists rejected and fast tracked around these traditional materialistic and artificial class lines to achieve a Socialist society while also avoiding civil war and revolution that comes with the artificial class war.

[Leshma]

I've yet to meet violent refugee, must be because those stuck in Serbia are actual families while those who crossed the borders among first were male insurgents. They mostly stay near the govt. building that provides them with some aid and in nearby parks. Very few, if any incidents so far.

On the other hand in my neighborhood bunch of young people identifying themselves as neonazi were marching, saluting to einstein and shouting. Police escorted them while nearby police van was parked nearby just in case they start wrecking havoc. They didn't do anything that required police intervention.

As it turns out, people harm others when they have good reason for it, revenge, some cause/order or money and less when  they just under influence. Very few cases of violence and murder is result of chaotic situation getting bad, there has to be better reason for it.

I believe it is same when it comes to raping women. They don't do it because they are animals, they are doing it because someone told/paid them to do it. It is indoctrination, not basic instincts.

When I think of my parents told me what happened during war, it wasn't that chaotic. People were prepared, told what to do and expect in return. Murder and pillaging were planned not circumstantial.

[Grytviken]

I've yet to meet violent refugee, must be because those stuck in Serbia are actual families while those who crossed the borders among first were male insurgents. They mostly stay near the govt. building that provides them with some aid and in nearby parks. Very few, if any incidents so far.

On the other hand in my neighborhood bunch of young people identifying themselves as neonazi were marching, saluting to einstein and shouting. Police escorted them while nearby police van was parked nearby just in case they start wrecking havoc. They didn't do anything that required police intervention.

As it turns out, people harm others when they have good reason for it, revenge, some cause/order or money and less when  they just under influence. Very few cases of violence and murder is result of chaotic situation getting bad, there has to be better reason for it.

I believe it is same when it comes to raping women. They don't do it because they are animals, they are doing it because someone told/paid them to do it. It is indoctrination, not basic instincts.

When I think of my parents told me what happened during war, it wasn't that chaotic. People were prepared, told what to do and expect in return. Murder and pillaging were planned not circumstantial.

It definitely has to do with indoctrination I agree.  But just like neonazis are easily influenced, Muslims are too, and there is no real popular outcry against the dangerous Islamic ideology like there is against nationalism and neonazis in Europe, so it easily mixes in and lurks within their liberalism.


I'm sure most refugees are just happy to get out of Turkey
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[Grytviken]

Like I said many pages ago,

If you find anyone online that argues tooth-and-nail that the Nazis were far-left rather than the commonly-accepted far-right, that person is going to be from a specific part of the US.

It comes from an ability to zoom in on the word 'Socialist' and ignore every other descriptor. There's little sense arguing, if your post doesn't contain the word 'Socialist' it wont be of interest and if it does then it's the only word he'll see. Could've saved you a few pages.

But you can't prove it, you can't even give a clear and concise definition of socialism   

What kind of variables are you using to define far right by? National Socialists vs the British Empire? Mussolini who was a staunch labor party socialist and founder of fascist ideology vs Churchill who was a conservative?

Whenever a "Socialist" experiment fails the definition changes, and it's suddenly not Socialist enough

[Grytviken]

I can give you the dictionary definition but your mistake so far is equating every aspect of Socialism to pure Socialism, eg. if it ticks one of the below boxes it must tick all the boxes. A party was called the 'National Socialists' and to you they are 'Socialists' (far-left) before they are 'Nationalists' (far-right).

socialism
ˈsəʊʃəlɪz(ə)m/Submit
noun
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
synonyms:   leftism, Fabianism, syndicalism, consumer socialism, utopian socialism, welfarism; More
policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
synonyms:   leftism, Fabianism, syndicalism, consumer socialism, utopian socialism, welfarism; More
(in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.

I use the conventional definitions of far right:

I could say the same, when a 'Nationalist' experiment fails suddenly it's Socialist.

You chaulked up the worst practices of Nazism to the 'degenerate left' earlier in this thread. Well which of the above two ideologies encompasses oppression and violence against groups of people based on their racial inferiority? Is it really the 'Socialist' part of their party title that leant itself to that ideology?

There is nothing about an international obligation or mandate in your sjw fictional welfare/leftism definition of Socialism, and the chocolate chip cookies meet all the above criteria for having ran a Socialist economy.

Almost every single Socialist experiment has ended in some sort of Genocide or forced assimilation, not just the chocolate chip cookies.

Nationalism does not negate socialism, just look at China, far more socialist and less capitalist than any European nation.

[Grytviken]

You mean my dictionary definition of Socialism?

Socialist economy does not negate a Nationalist everything else. And it wasn't the economy that rounded up all the Jews was it?

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jewish_Question  Is it really that far fetched to think Hitler's Socialist ideology was highly inspired by the founder of Socialism himself?

The apple doesn't fall far from the tree