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 Refugees "flooding" Europe are (2 votes max)

Huge problem in my eurocountry
Small problem in my eurocountry
Not relevant problem in my eurocountry
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Help as many of them as possible
Help only a few of them (aka "non muslims" only etc.)
Send them all home
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Re: Refugees "flooding" Europe
« Reply #421 on: September 10, 2015, 09:21:10 pm »
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constructive and thoughtful answers here are not allowed  :P
Vovka thinks it's "constructive and thoughtful" because it's pro-Russian. What a shock.
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Re: Refugees "flooding" Europe
« Reply #422 on: September 10, 2015, 09:26:21 pm »
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Europe has voted, it has been settled. Immigrants will be able to integrate, live and work in European Union. Now you can start fearing for your jobs.

On other side of the world we have this: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform
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Re: Refugees "flooding" Europe
« Reply #424 on: September 10, 2015, 09:30:32 pm »
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Asia for Asians, Middle East for Muslims , Africa for Africans , but Europe FOR EVERYONE!

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Re: Refugees "flooding" Europe
« Reply #425 on: September 10, 2015, 09:36:27 pm »
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Europe has voted, it has been settled. Immigrants will be able to integrate, live and work in European Union. Now you can start fearing for your jobs.

On other side of the world we have this: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform


The only thing I thank the crisis  for is the decrease of asian, african and muslim immigrants. They leave Greece by tons because they can`t find "dirty" jobs anymore, because the Greeks are doing them now  :lol:

On the other hand I can`t help but feel sorry for the Germans, silly Germans, for how long will you let the guilt of the past dictate your lives?
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Re: Refugees "flooding" Europe
« Reply #426 on: September 10, 2015, 09:37:13 pm »
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Europe has voted, it has been settled. Immigrants will be able to integrate, live and work in European Union. Now you can start fearing for your jobs.

On other side of the world we have this: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform

Yea 1 of 23 presidential candidates who are seeking attention to build a support base for an election that is over a year away, keep giving the loon the attention he wants.

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Re: Refugees "flooding" Europe
« Reply #427 on: September 10, 2015, 09:39:15 pm »
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Some interesting quotes here from top military officials: http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-real-reason-america-used-nuclear-weapons-against-japan-it-was-not-to-end-the-war-or-save-lives/5308192

14 million Chinese murdered in ww2 by the Japanese, they outdid Albert in China, don't attack peaceful nations if you don't want to face the consequences.
None knew at the time how devastating the bomb would be and that the Japanese would almost immediately surrender afterwards, those cities were major industrial hubs keeping the Japanese in the war, and the Japanese weren't going to surrender any other way.  I don't think anyone would argue that it was a tragic end with unnecessary loss of life, but surrender terms with a harsh warning were delivered beforehand.

That website is also ran by a conspiracy theory nutjob named Michel Chossudovsky who is a well known apologist for Milošević.
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Re: Refugees "flooding" Europe
« Reply #429 on: September 10, 2015, 10:05:11 pm »
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14 million Chinese murdered in ww2 by the Japanese, they outdid Albert in China, don't attack peaceful nations if you don't want to face the consequences.
None knew at the time how devastating the bomb would be and that the Japanese would almost immediately surrender afterwards, those cities were major industrial hubs keeping the Japanese in the war, and the Japanese weren't going to surrender any other way.  I don't think anyone would argue that it was a tragic end with unnecessary loss of life, but surrender terms with a harsh warning were delivered beforehand.
Please read the article.

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Re: Refugees "flooding" Europe
« Reply #430 on: September 10, 2015, 10:11:16 pm »
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Please read the article.

Yea the article gives select quotations from US figures at the time who were still in shock at the effect the bomb had, and of Generals who were expressing their confidence in the US Army that we would have won the war either way, something Generals tend to do.

 A study done for Secretary of War Henry Stimson's staff by William Shockley estimated that conquering Japan would cost 1.7–4 million American casualties, including 400,000–800,000 fatalities, and five to ten million Japanese fatalities. The key assumption was large-scale participation by civilians in the defense of Japan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Downfall#Estimated_casualties

If we were concerned about the Soviet Union at the time we wouldn't have heavily supported their war effort

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease#US_deliveries_to_the_USSR


Michel Chossudovsky also likes to leave out mildly import factors like the 1,588,062 tonnes of bombs the USAF and RAF dropped on Germany paralyzing their infrastructure, war industry and transportation. It would have been easy to just sit in the UK and watch the USSR collapse, much like how the Soviets betrayed the Poles in Warsaw 1944, not liberating the city until after the Germans killed off the Polish Army while watching from the other side of the river.
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Re: Refugees "flooding" Europe
« Reply #431 on: September 11, 2015, 12:52:45 am »
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Really?

People still believe that Assad is the true bad guy?

You know, even the fact that you use the notion of "true bad guy" unironically in this context is laughable.

Sure, he has made mistakes, but come on, you` dont have to be a prodigy to understand that Turkey and USA wanted Assad out of the picture because he was a pain on their ass, and thats why Putin have shown his support to Assad.

Whoever Turkey or the USA fight against must be a "true good guy", Panos logic.

You would need to be a complete retard to think there aren't any. Although it would be pretty pointless, they can already get in easy through Marseilles, especially with the funding they have. Without taking into account all the "french" islamic fanatics that have, yes, lived here their whole lives. It's ok though, there is no such thing as "french", it's an illusory identity, who cares if some "french" keep getting killed, you have absolutely no attachment to any of them, they are not part of your "group", they aren't even a group at all. Hey I know, let's all gather and and raise pens in there air for one protest after some backwards fuckers murder cartoonists and journalists in cold blood, and scream useless symbolic shit like "the pen is mightier than the sword!", then forget it even happened a month later. Guess what, Charlie Hebdo said they would no longer caricature islamic barbarians or their kid fucking warlord prophet, wouldn't want to trigger their insane blood rage, so who won that round? It seems that despite all the whining about tolerance and understanding and peace and universalist claptrap the only thing these 5th column hippies understand is violence and fear. Oh well, I look forward to another useless symbolic protest after the next islamic terrorist attack. One day the protest itself will be a target then all the hypocritical cowards can stop pretending they are accomplishing anything at all except reassuring themselves.

Seriously though, who are you angry at here?

And about the only part of that which is actually in any way relevant to this conversation, yes there can be terrorists hiding among the refugees. And indeed one of the things that make taking refugees in complicated is that it's difficult to tell if they actually are in danger in their country. If anything this is one of the reasons why trying to be much more open to refugees than to other immigrants may not be a feasible process in practice. With that out of the way, as you said there are already plenty of ways for extremists from outside Europe to come in and an exceptionally well performing prison-based indoctrination system from inside. Yet all these religious extremists and all these very spoopy giant shadowy terrorist organization networks are barely able to field two people capable of handling assault rifles correctly. Their impact on our laws and minds is much greater than the actual threat they represent. That's not to say they don't represent a threat at all to the general public or cannot apply pressure on specific targets (cartoonists among those), yet the media psychosis on the issue is positively more scary than the actual thing.

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Re: Refugees "flooding" Europe
« Reply #432 on: September 11, 2015, 12:57:15 am »
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You know, even the fact that you use the notion of "true bad guy" unironically in this context is laughable.

Whoever Turkey or the USA fight against must be a "true good guy", Panos logic.

Seriously though, who are you angry at here?


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Re: Refugees "flooding" Europe
« Reply #433 on: September 11, 2015, 01:50:17 am »
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« Reply #434 on: September 11, 2015, 02:19:00 am »
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Lol, calling the US peaceful? At the same time as you justify dropping city-killers on an urban population.

We didn't start the war, Japan lost a little over 3 million civilians casualties compared to China's 15-20 million.

I guess all those times the US tested the anticipated city-killers dont count, despite the scientific concern that detonating a single nuclear device could set the ozone layer on fire and end human life on the planet. But hey, that didnt happen in the end, so therefore it was a completely reasonable thing to do at the time when nobody knew.



And the Germans would only surrender if the allied forces landed at Normandy on 6 June 1944. If they landed on any other day or any other location we'd still be at war today, since that's what led to Germany surrendering therefore it's the only way Germany would have surrendered.

Given the context of the article we were talking about certain Generals and politicians, not scientists. The Germans fought to the bitter end, only after Albert was deceased did the Germans finally give up, the Japanese however did not.

Since the US never tried fighting the war to completion without nuking civilians i dont suppose we'll ever know any of the other scenarios in which Japan would have surrendered. The only way the Titanic could possibly have sunk is if an iceburg hit it, nothing else would have worked because history says so.

If you'd dropped nukes on Berlin in 1944, every snotty American in the world today would be talking about how it had been the only way to make Germany surrender and how it was a fair price for them to pay for attacking 'peaceful nations'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_prisoners_of_war_in_World_War_II
Given their ideology of committing mass suicide and taking all the locals with them as opposed to surrendering, it's not unreasonable to suspect they would have never surrendered without a horrendous amount of casualties on both sides. And like I said above the Russian Army and German civilian populace both suffered horrendous casualties once they reached the heartland of Germany and Berlin.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/primary-resources/truman-japanwarn/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes


It was a terrible tragedy that could have been avoided had Japan surrendered.
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