Refugees "flooding" Europe !NEW POLL!

[Grytviken]

There are a few things at play here. First off, the Nazi regime was socialist, but in the very specific sense that the state controlled most of the economy. Second, isn't Shik another Tumblrspawn? In the US at large racism still means what it means. Nevertheless, cup457 obviously has no idea what right and left actually mean in politics, and it's symptomatic of the Republican tradition to try and collapse the authoritarian/libertarian issue into the left/right spectrum.

The Chocolate chip cookies and Communists have been far left conspiracy theorists since their inception, using superstition and the distribution of wealth to gain a large following. Here's a nice quote from Albert to make you all feel at home.

"The peoples of Islam will always be closer to us than, for example, France" - Albert

[Lt_Anders]

The Chocolate chip cookies and Communists have been far left conspiracy theorists since their inception, using superstition and the distribution of wealth to gain a large following. Here's a nice quote from Albert to make you all feel at home.

"The peoples of Islam will always be closer to us than, for example, France" - Albert

Just FYI.
 Put a PHPBB code between Hitler to allow the word to not get censored

Quote my post to see what I mean.

[Grytviken]

Just FYI.
 Put a PHPBB code between Hitler to allow the word to not get censored

Quote my post to see what I mean.

I like using the phrases Albert and Chocolate Chip Cookies though, it reminds me that the politically correct weirdos have to replace reality with parental guided safety nets so they can avoid any kind of debate that forces them to leave their make believe comfort zone.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/mar/06/germany.armedforces

[Lt_Anders]

I like using the phrases Albert and Chocolate Chip Cookies though, it reminds me that the politically correct weirdos have to replace reality with parental guided safety nets so they can avoid any kind of debate that forces them to leave their make believe comfort zone.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/mar/06/germany.armedforces

FYI, the guys who own this site are Austrian. I believe they have similar laws to Germany in regards to those words.

[Leshma]

Only thing that stopped me going to places Hitler visited and taking a picture while doing nazi salute. Wanted to avoid being arrested. Damn Austrians, they don't have a sense of humour.

[Grytviken]

Where is the poll option for "Europe will be culturally enriched", this poll is racist 

[Angantyr]

It's true the allies bombed commercial and industry areas populated by civilians to win the war, Germany and Japan had started this horrible trend by introducing these tactics to every country they attacked purposely targeting civilians over military targets.

Yes the Japanese also had an army of over a million troops still in China and all around the south pacific, they wanted to negotiate a separate peace with the USSR and USA which would leave them in possession of all their newly conquered territories which was not acceptable.

Hoover was not a factor for the US during ww2 he was president from 1921-28 and a member of the Republican party, so it's fitting that the communist author would take select quotes from him as the end all of answers to support his strange conspiracy theory. Of course in a war of that scale civilians are unfortunately killed, but the US was the most humane of all parties involved when it came to avoiding civilian casualties and you can't argue against the the statistics. The Japanese acted barbaric and savage and got little sympathy from the small price they paid for the massive amount of needless killing they orchestrated, the Japanese killed more civilians than Albert did during their Imperial conquests.

That being said Japan is a wonderful country now and nothing like they were in the past, so of course we feel sympathetic with what happened, an unfortunate but necessary use of force was needed to stop their savagery.

Concerning Hoover, then the article I'm referring to has quotes from some of the most important people on the US side (General Eisenhover, Admiral Leahy, General MacArthur, Assistant Secretary of War John McLoy, Under Secretary of the Navy Ralph Bird, General Curtis LeMay, Vice Chairman of the U.S. Bombing Survey Paul Nitze, Deputy Director of the Office of Naval Intelligence Ellis Zacharias, Commander in Chief of the U.S. Fleet and Chief of Naval Operations, Ernest J. King etc.).

What Hoover and many others are referring to can be one or more of the following Japanese surrender overtures:

The Japanese had sent peace feelers out as early as September 1944 and China had been approached regarding surrender in December 1944. In mid-April 1945, the US Joint Intelligence Committee reported that Japanese leaders were looking for options in surrender terms to end the war. The State Department was at this time convinced that Emperor was actively seeking a way to stop the fighting (Alperovitz, Gar. 'Atomic Diplomacy: Hiroshima and Potsdam'. 1965.)
The Kido memorandum to the Emperor proposed mediation by a third party to settle the war on terms that Japan may give up its overseas conquests and some form of disarmament, but retaining its old order (R.B. Frank. Ending the Pacific War: Harry Truman and the Decision To Drop the Bomb. 2009).
The Allan Dulles contact in Tokoyo (who may have been lacking support) desired surrender if Japan could retain the Emperor as a basis for maintaining discipline and order (Dulles, Allan. The Secret Surrender. 1966).

There is no record that any of the 'big six' policy makers in Japan would accept unconditional surrender prior to Hiroshima (but in fact their only condition by then was that the Emperor be spared), but in no way did they expect to hold on to any of the conquered territory or not face military occupation.
A 1945 article by the Chicago Tribune and the Washington Times-Herald - which had been withheld for seven months due to wartime censorship - disclosed how two days prior to the Yalta conference, President Roosevelt had received a 40-page memorandum from General Douglas MacArthur outlining five separate surrender overtures from high-level Japanese officials.

Herein, the Japanese offered surrender terms virtually identical to the ones the US ultimately accepted.
These included:
   
Complete surrender of all Japanese forces and arms, at home, on island possessions, and in occupied countries.
Occupation of Japan and its possessions by Allied troops under American direction.
Japanese relinquishment of all territory seized during the war, as well as Manchuria, Korea and Taiwan.
Regulation of Japanese industry to halt production of any weapons and other tools of war.
Release of all prisoners of war and internees.
Surrender of designated war criminals.
(http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/129964)

In April and May 1945, Japan made three attempts through neutral Sweden and Portugal to bring the war to a peaceful end, emphasizing that unconditional surrender was unacceptable, and that the Emperor could not be touched.
In June, Japan's Supreme War Council had charged Foreign Minister Shigenori Togo with approaching Soviet leaders with the aim of ending the war by September.
On June 22 the Emperor called a meeting of the Supreme War Council (including the Prime Minister, the Foreign Minister and the leading military figures), saying: We wish that you, leaders of Japan, will strive now to study the ways and the means to conclude the war. In doing so, try not to be bound by the decisions you have made in the past." (http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n3p-4_Weber.html)

Further reading: https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/kent-csi/vol9no3/html/v09i3a06p_0001.htm

[Armpit_Sweat]

Only thing that stopped me going to places Hitler visited and taking a picture while doing nazi salute. Wanted to avoid being arrested. Damn Austrians, they don't have a sense of humour.

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[djavo]

I will form National Socialist party for Balkan. Panos will be chairman.

[Grytviken]

Concerning Hoover, then the article I'm referring to has quotes from some of the most important people on the US side (General Eisenhover, Admiral Leahy, General MacArthur, Assistant Secretary of War John McLoy, Under Secretary of the Navy Ralph Bird, General Curtis LeMay, Vice Chairman of the U.S. Bombing Survey Paul Nitze, Deputy Director of the Office of Naval Intelligence Ellis Zacharias, Commander in Chief of the U.S. Fleet and Chief of Naval Operations, Ernest J. King etc.).

What Hoover and many others are referring to can be one or more of the following Japanese surrender overtures:

The Japanese had sent peace feelers out as early as September 1944 and China had been approached regarding surrender in December 1944. In mid-April 1945, the US Joint Intelligence Committee reported that Japanese leaders were looking for options in surrender terms to end the war. The State Department was at this time convinced that Emperor was actively seeking a way to stop the fighting (Alperovitz, Gar. 'Atomic Diplomacy: Hiroshima and Potsdam'. 1965.)
The Kido memorandum to the Emperor proposed mediation by a third party to settle the war on terms that Japan may give up its overseas conquests and some form of disarmament, but retaining its old order (R.B. Frank. Ending the Pacific War: Harry Truman and the Decision To Drop the Bomb. 2009).
The Allan Dulles contact in Tokoyo (who may have been lacking support) desired surrender if Japan could retain the Emperor as a basis for maintaining discipline and order (Dulles, Allan. The Secret Surrender. 1966).

There is no record that any of the 'big six' policy makers in Japan would accept unconditional surrender prior to Hiroshima (but in fact their only condition by then was that the Emperor be spared), but in no way did they expect to hold on to any of the conquered territory or not face military occupation.
A 1945 article by the Chicago Tribune and the Washington Times-Herald - which had been withheld for seven months due to wartime censorship - disclosed how two days prior to the Yalta conference, President Roosevelt had received a 40-page memorandum from General Douglas MacArthur outlining five separate surrender overtures from high-level Japanese officials.

Herein, the Japanese offered surrender terms virtually identical to the ones the US ultimately accepted.
These included:
   
Complete surrender of all Japanese forces and arms, at home, on island possessions, and in occupied countries.
Occupation of Japan and its possessions by Allied troops under American direction.
Japanese relinquishment of all territory seized during the war, as well as Manchuria, Korea and Taiwan.
Regulation of Japanese industry to halt production of any weapons and other tools of war.
Release of all prisoners of war and internees.
Surrender of designated war criminals.
(http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/129964)

In April and May 1945, Japan made three attempts through neutral Sweden and Portugal to bring the war to a peaceful end, emphasizing that unconditional surrender was unacceptable, and that the Emperor could not be touched.
In June, Japan's Supreme War Council had charged Foreign Minister Shigenori Togo with approaching Soviet leaders with the aim of ending the war by September.
On June 22 the Emperor called a meeting of the Supreme War Council (including the Prime Minister, the Foreign Minister and the leading military figures), saying: We wish that you, leaders of Japan, will strive now to study the ways and the means to conclude the war. In doing so, try not to be bound by the decisions you have made in the past." (http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n3p-4_Weber.html)

Further reading: https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/kent-csi/vol9no3/html/v09i3a06p_0001.htm

While the Japanese were feeling out their diplomatic options several major battles and campaigns took place in the Pacific including Japanese offenses in mainland China, so how did the US know these surrender offers were not a ruse or delaying tactic? And where are the Japanese sources that prove they even existed or had any kind of authority backing them? The Japanese still held 1000's of British, American, Australian and Dutch prisoners, the Japanese also failed to ratify the Geneva convention and their lives were all at risk, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataan_Death_March
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Singapore#Alexandra_Hospital_massacre , not only did the savages bayonet the British officer carrying a white flag offering the surrender of the field hospital, they also proceeded to storm the hospital and bayonet all the wounded, the nurses and the doctors.


July 26 1945 is when the Potsdam Declaration was given, the Japanese had over a month to surrender under the terms given, so why did it take 2 atomic bombs for them to come to the table?

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those look like some well-treated Australian, Chinese and Dutch Prisoners. These pictures are mild compared to other photos the Japanese liked to take of their victims (chinese babies mounted on their bayonets marching through Nanking), they were sadistic savages as can be seen by the gleeful look on their soldiers faces as they committed these horrible atrocities all the while photographing the crimes to bring home to their families in Japan to show off their "deeds".

They would have never received two nuclear bombs had they accepted the Potsdam terms issued over a month before the bombs were dropped, or if they weren't disgusting savages that went on a killing spree that killed over 15 millions civilians, running to Sweden or Portugal to save face was some kind of round about way of trying to save their "honor"  and not be disgraced losing the war to the United States, we wanted to humiliate the savage's Emperor to bring the rest of Japan in line and to prove that they had been misled by a coward the entire time. They knew they had no chance of winning at this point and Germany had already surrendered, they just wanted to take as many people with them as they could. 

"I consider the Joint Proclamation a rehash of the Declaration at the Cairo Conference. As for the Government, it does not attach any important value to it at all. The only thing to do is just kill it with silence and contempt. We will do nothing but press on to the bitter end to bring about a successful completion of the war" -  Japanese official response to the Potsdam conference by Japanese Prime Minister Suzuki given to the Japanese public and Imperial Armed Forces after receiving the surrender ultimatum.

The articles you post represent the reality that the Japanese military commanders knew there was no way of defeating the United States at this point and that Americans had acknowledged this through military intelligence, and their efforts of trying to bypass the Emperor's authority by trying to bring about the end in some way or another, several German officers had tried to do the same thing in Europe when they realized all chances for victory had been exhausted, sadly their attempts were in vain as it's very difficult and risky to unofficially bring about an end to a conflict of this proportion, especially when dealing with such dictatorial powers.

[Leshma]

You realize that majority of people who died in nuclear bombings were innocent? Those who were responsible for savagery depicted in those pictures were never persecuted in most cases. USA granted amnesty to those who tortured people in the name science, because your government found them being a valuable asset.

You took so many war criminals under your wing and they helped strengthen your security agencies. Don't play the moral card, because you have none. By default you guys are raised with one thing in mind and that is money and you'll go over corpses of many to achieve it.

[Grytviken]

You realize that majority of people who died in nuclear bombings were innocent? Those who were responsible for savagery depicted in those pictures were never persecuted in most cases. USA granted amnesty to those who tortured people in the name science, because your government found them being a valuable asset.

You took so many war criminals under your wing and they helped strengthen your security agencies. Don't play the moral card, because you have none. By default you guys are raised with one thing in mind and that is money and you'll go over corpses of many to achieve it.

Amnesty given to expose their war crimes to  their brainwashed populace who had no idea any of this was even going on (human experimentation on living prisoners and children ), spew more bs plz, and no, many of them were prosecuted, some unfortunately spared to expose and document those crimes as they refused to talk any other way. The Japanese were given very lenient terms compared to the atrocities they committed, and still refused to surrender until 2 bombs were dropped.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki casualties - 20,000 Japanese Imperial soldiers killed 120,000-250,000 civilians killed

Japanese War Crimes - 15,000,000  to 20,000,000 civilians killed

[Angantyr]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

Unit 731 (Japanese: 731部隊 Hepburn: Nana-san-ichi Butai?) was a covert biological and chemical warfare research and development unit of the Imperial Japanese Army that undertook lethal human experimentation during the Second Sino-Japanese War (1937–1945) of World War II. It was responsible for some of the most notorious war crimes carried out by Japan. Unit 731 was based at the Pingfang district of Harbin, the largest city in the Japanese puppet state of Manchukuo (now Northeast China).

Instead of being tried for war crimes, the researchers involved in Unit 731 were given immunity by the U.S. in exchange for their data on human experimentation.[10] Some were arrested by Soviet forces and tried at the Khabarovsk War Crime Trials in 1949. Americans did not try the researchers so that the information and experience gained in bio-weapons could be co-opted into the U.S. biological warfare program.[11] On 6 May 1947, Douglas MacArthur, as Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces, wrote to Washington that "additional data, possibly some statements from Ishii probably can be obtained by informing Japanese involved that information will be retained in intelligence channels and will not be employed as 'War Crimes' evidence."[10] Victim accounts were then largely ignored or dismissed in the West as Communist propaganda.

Also,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_raids_on_Japan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo

[Grytviken]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731
Also,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_raids_on_Japan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo

The air raids on industrial areas with civilian populaces by the Allies were a reaction to the Germans and Japanese introducing these tactics first, which resulted in the fast surrender of countries such as the Netherlands, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Belgium, France, Norway and Denmark even though their Army's were still intact, they surrendered to spare their civilians the agony of the of the Axis targeting civilians over military targets. The Japanese also aggressively bombed civilian targets in south-east Asia and China.

Again unfortunately with a conflict of such epic proportions many scumbags slipped through the cracks and avoided prosecution for various legal reasons with information probably never fully disclosed and left to the imagination, trying to get an entire brainwashed nation to reform it's savage ways sometimes you have to compromise for the benefit of the general majority.

[Angantyr]

Of course in a war of that scale civilians are unfortunately killed, but the US was the most humane of all parties involved when it came to avoiding civilian casualties and you can't argue against the the statistics.

Japan aside, those statistics are mainly because of the horrors of the eastern front, where the United States fortunately didn't fight. One cannot compare statistics like that, it would be similar to saying the Australians were the most humane because the statistics say they killed the fewest civilians, which wasn't due to some kind of arbitrary 'humanism' but because of other factors. Even the British who were happy to terror bomb civilian cities in Germany didn't reach the killing rates their US allies did against Japanese paper cities.

At this time of the war America wasn't trying to limit civilian casualties at all, on the contrary military leaders were trying to maximize destruction, same as everyone else, which is well-documented.

The air raids on industrial areas with civilian populaces by the Allies were a reaction to the Germans and Japanese introducing these tactics first, which resulted in the fast surrender of countries such as the Netherlands, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Belgium, France, Norway and Denmark even though their Army's were still intact, they surrendered to spare their civilians the agony of the of the Axis targeting civilians over military targets. The Japanese also aggressively bombed civilian targets in south-east Asia and China.

Yes, and so? No one here is talking about exceptionalism in any case except, it seems, you. One evil doesn't legitimize another, especially not against innocents.