Refugees "flooding" Europe !NEW POLL!

[Oberyn]

Why?  Explain scientifically why that statement is true.

The next generation of workers must perforce be more numerous/work for longer/produce more wealth or a combination of all 3 to be able to feed both the State and the pensions of the previous generation. It's why the retirement age is edging further and further to make up the growing gap. Then there's the Baby Boomer contraction as they get older and exit the workforce as the main economic "arguement" (excuse) for why population replacement by immigrants is totally a beneficial thing. Lot's of future young "workers" (lol) to pay for our shit generation, you see. Oh, the future of the native youth? Who gives a fuck, what am I some sort of fascist chocolate chip cookie? Only a chocolate chip cookie would care about such a thing. The future of our pensions is much more important.

[Kalam]

I think it's time to create a separate thread on taxes.

Now, about refugees.

Oberyn wants to kick immigrants out of his beloved home.

Vovka: Lost in Trollation.

Angantyr thinks all refugees are plump.

cup457 posits that every extreme situation turns a majority of people into savages.

ecorcheur_brokar thinks Yeezus isn't a fully assimilated American.

Grytviken, possibly our only Limbaugh fan.

Devs: typical liberal programmer scum.

Heskeytime is possibly a scarecrow. He likes immigrants, okay?

Casimir...GLOBALIZATION, YEAH!

Leshma likes pretending like he doesn't care, just like his big brother Xant, but here he is, caring. It's alright. We all care, a little bit.

Xant is proving he's turning into a different person entirely, and then stops to remind you that he hasn't been replaced by some eldritch conspiracy.

Ppravi bets that not every male Syrian will become a rapist. I am willing to bet he is 100 percent right, with a single steam game of your choice, under $70, if enough proof can be provided. Come on, Ppravi, surely you can gamble more than that?

Kafein, you can't be the voice of reason. That mantle is taken by PEPE.

Gravoth, how very political of you. I see what you're doing, here.

Panos, making Oberyn look like an embracing mother to all immigrants.

[Oberyn]

Oberyn wants to kick immigrants out of his beloved home.

Quote me saying that I want to kick anyone out, thanks. Even when making jokes you can't help but misrepresent my statements as more "evil" than they already are in your eyes. Being against further indiscriminate mass immigration = deport all immigrants already here, apparently.

[Thomek]

US death tax is irrelevant to anyone that isnt in the top 2% because it onloy affect people whose estates are larger than 5m$.

And that's a fucking brilliant tax. Should do the same globally. Squash the tax havens. Then everyone else can pay less taxes, until u die (and are very rich) that is.

Anyway, back on topic, I read this comic on the background for the conflict in Syria:  http://www.upworthy.com/trying-to-follow-what-is-going-on-in-syria-and-why-this-comic-will-get-you-there-in-5-minutes

It seems a bit too "perfect" and politically harmless explanation for my tastes, especially the climate change thing. Could be just a normal unusual drought.. More likely however, I stumbled over a huge Turkish Dam project. Southeastern Anatolia Project:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Anatolia_Project

They are basically trying to irrigate large swaths of land and use as much water as they can.

Anyone know anything more about this? I read the turks are now using 50% of the water in the Tigris and Eufrat. And since the comic states that drought caused thousands of farmers to move into overcrowded cities, contributing to the instability in Syria, perhaps Turkey on some level is to blame for all this mess?

I made this picture describing my suspision. Especially Tigris seems rather fruitless the moment it crosses the Syrian border, but on Euphrat Turkey has a dam only 4km from the border...

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[Angantyr]

Angantyr thinks all refugees are plump.

I don' think anything, I reported what I observed when travelling with migrants going to Sweden every single day in train. I don't doubt there's plenty of hardship and human suffering but it's not starvation. An observation fully in line with official reports and hardly worth the comment.

[Oberyn]

Pfffff, zero mention of the massive historical ethnic divides and difference in the balance of power, alawites being the old "enforcer" for the colonial power in typical divide and conquer manner and thus the inheritors of political power (same as the sunni arab in Iraq), the sunni being the majority ruled by a sect they consider heretical (like the shia in Iraq), and a smaller minority of kurds hated all around (again, like Iraq, ignoring for now the assyrians and yazidi and other even smaller and more hated minorities), zero mention of iranian and arab gulf influence on these divisions, zero mention of influence from other powers beyond who have a clear interest in the region such as Turkey, the US, Russia, etc. I have absolutely no idea if Turkey would've deliberately starved the fertile crescent of water, but they're benefitting from Syria's civil war in a realpolitiks sort of way, and after the pathetic "strikes" against ISIS and the much more robust ones against PKK positions in Iraq and Syria, they have clearly chosen a side.
The global warming explanation is either deliberately dishonest or just from a person so completely consumed by it's importance that they are willing to see it's consequences even if it's a stupid fucking conclusion and Occam's Razor brings up dozens of more plausible ones. I'm leaning towards the first option, "lying for Jesus" style. "Lying for Al Gore"?

[Leshma]

Why?  Explain scientifically why that statement is true.

Only way we know to build stuff...

[ecorcheur_brokar]

US death tax is irrelevant to anyone that isnt in the top 2% because it onloy affect people whose estates are larger than 5m$. Socialism is not a permanently sustainable thing because as Bastiat says, " But the law is not a breast that fills itself with milk. Nor are the lacteal veins of the law supplied with milk from a source outside the society." Only a steadily growing society can support socialism which as we all know, the population would grow beyond what earth could sustain. Also the population has to be pyramid shaped. However this is off the topic of immigrants flooding europe

Only a steadily growing society could support capitalism, as the only way to reduce inequality in capitalism is if the growth benefits the poorer (thanks to the magic hand). But i don't see why socialism would need a forever expanding population.

The next generation of workers must perforce be more numerous/work for longer/produce more wealth or a combination of all 3 to be able to feed both the State and the pensions of the previous generation. It's why the retirement age is edging further and further to make up the growing gap. Then there's the Baby Boomer contraction as they get older and exit the workforce as the main economic "arguement" (excuse) for why population replacement by immigrants is totally a beneficial thing. Lot's of future young "workers" (lol) to pay for our shit generation, you see. Oh, the future of the native youth? Who gives a fuck, what am I some sort of fascist chocolate chip cookie? Only a chocolate chip cookie would care about such a thing. The future of our pensions is much more important.

The fact is that workers nowadays produce more weatlh than before thanks to the improved means of production (machines, computer, etc), if we had a correct imposition, we would not need to extand the retirement age.

Now back on topic, http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/01/world/europe/russia-airstrikes-syria.html?&moduleDetail=top-news-0&action=click&contentCollection=undefined&region=Footer&module=TopNews&version=WhatsNext&contentID=WhatsNext&pgtype=Blogs

[Overdriven]

Anyone know anything more about this? I read the turks are now using 50% of the water in the Tigris and Eufrat. And since the comic states that drought caused thousands of farmers to move into overcrowded cities, contributing to the instability in Syria, perhaps Turkey on some level is to blame for all this mess?

I wrote a dissertation on rivers that span the borders of nations. Never looked at this case but mine focused on India and Bangladesh sharing the Ganges and a few others. In almost all cases the up river nation fucks things up for the one further down. In India's case they built the Farakka barrage which diverts huge flows of water to flush out sediment in Calcutta's harbour. The problem being that this ultimately reduced water flow to Bangaladesh and has had huge knock on effects in terms of soil quality, the ability of the river to flush out pollution and reduced ground water.

I can easily see how a similar situation in Turkey and below could add to the problems there.

[ecorcheur_brokar]

don't worry they have floods there from time to time to flush out their "trash"

Also:
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[Molly]

Pfff, not even in the list.

[Grytviken]

Now back on topic, http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/01/world/europe/russia-airstrikes-syria.html?&moduleDetail=top-news-0&action=click&contentCollection=undefined&region=Footer&module=TopNews&version=WhatsNext&contentID=WhatsNext&pgtype=Blogs

Lavrov doesn't want to end up like Nemstov with a bullet hole where his brain used to be. I think there's a logical reason why millions of refugees aren't flooding to Russia and Assad. It's not a two dimensional civil war, but Russia will turn it into one.

[Vovka]

Pentagon again made a statement based on information from open sources? such as forums and YouTube? 

[Kafein]

If EU is truly copying USA federal system then tax variety is going to stay. Which is a shame, I'm more for homogeneous approach and creation of true superstate. As for tax free havens, solution is very simple. Squash them like a bug

Amusingly enough that's all it would take. Boots on the ground in those virtually defenseless islands, integrate them into whatever country makes sense and we're done.

That's what I mean when I say the myth of the self-regulating market; there's no such thing as the entirely free market unless it's entirely on the theoretical level. But that's the 'under conditions of perfect liberty, markets will lead to perfect equality' Adam Smith quote, people get them mixed up.

I think it's misleading to call the self-regulating market a myth. The theory shows that in a perfect market you get a perfect balance. Even though no real world market is ever perfect, imperfect balancing is better than no market for a huge majority of all human activities.

I think it's time to create a separate thread on taxes.

Now, about refugees.

Oberyn wants to kick immigrants out of his beloved home.

Vovka: Lost in Trollation.

Angantyr thinks all refugees are plump.

cup457 posits that every extreme situation turns a majority of people into savages.

ecorcheur_brokar thinks Yeezus isn't a fully assimilated American.

Grytviken, possibly our only Limbaugh fan.

Devs: typical liberal programmer scum.

Heskeytime is possibly a scarecrow. He likes immigrants, okay?

Casimir...GLOBALIZATION, YEAH!

Leshma likes pretending like he doesn't care, just like his big brother Xant, but here he is, caring. It's alright. We all care, a little bit.

Xant is proving he's turning into a different person entirely, and then stops to remind you that he hasn't been replaced by some eldritch conspiracy.

Ppravi bets that not every male Syrian will become a rapist. I am willing to bet he is 100 percent right, with a single steam game of your choice, under $70, if enough proof can be provided. Come on, Ppravi, surely you can gamble more than that?

Kafein, you can't be the voice of reason. That mantle is taken by PEPE.

Gravoth, how very political of you. I see what you're doing, here.

Panos, making Oberyn look like an embracing mother to all immigrants.

#bestmeleegamingpost2015

Quote me saying that I want to kick anyone out, thanks. Even when making jokes you can't help but misrepresent my statements as more "evil" than they already are in your eyes. Being against further indiscriminate mass immigration = deport all immigrants already here, apparently.

People portray you much like the way you portray others, by abusing ridiculous hyperboles. Don't care about your fellow countryman = universalist hippie muslim-lover scum, apparently.

[Oberyn]

Pentagon again made a statement based on information from open sources? such as forums and YouTube? 

At least Russia isn't bombing the kurds. And US aren't the only to respond to this, Saudi Arabia has been whining about it as well, France and UK have confirmed that targets haven't primarily been daesh. If Saudi Arabia is complaining about it it can only be a good thing.