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 Refugees "flooding" Europe are (2 votes max)

Huge problem in my eurocountry
Small problem in my eurocountry
Not relevant problem in my eurocountry
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Help as many of them as possible
Help only a few of them (aka "non muslims" only etc.)
Send them all home
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I'm from Murica
I just want to click somewhere

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« Reply #1290 on: April 07, 2017, 03:47:05 am »
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But that isn't what fascism means...

Fascism doesn't refer to the indoctrination it refers to a political ideology which pursues ultra-nationalist goals, normally focusing upon Anti Libralism and Anti Communism.  Fascist ideology by its nature is against any form of egalitarianism (a core principle of both socialism and communism) placing the national / ethnic identity above all others and promotes violence as the means towards achieving most of its aims.

Actually the Naazis did favor egalitarianism on an Ultra Nationalist party level, the SS and other radical party members being favored over the traditional Prussian military families is a good example of this and actually caused quite alot of friction. National socialist policies opened the door for many Germans who could not have otherwise seeked higher up positions in the old Prussian order.

Ultra-National socialist labor policies also required everyone work and guaranteed employment to those who otherwise would not have it, this is as socialist as it gets.
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« Reply #1291 on: April 07, 2017, 11:23:49 am »
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Actually the Naazis did favor egalitarianism on an Ultra Nationalist party level, the SS and other radical party members being favored over the traditional Prussian military families is a good example of this and actually caused quite alot of friction

are u saying the US is socialist cause anyone can rise in military rank? 

or are you saying favoring partymembers over non party members is egalitarian,  while in fact it is the opposite?

Ultra-National socialist labor policies also required everyone work and guaranteed employment to those who otherwise would not have it, this is as socialist as it gets.

elimination of labor unions,  forced labor...  arent socialist traits. 

dude, gryt.  you started off so well,  made a few really good points.  but you are going batshit crazy the further this discussion runs.  get a hold of yourself.
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« Reply #1292 on: April 07, 2017, 12:32:35 pm »
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or are you saying favoring partymembers over non party members is egalitarian,  while in fact it is the opposite?

Comparatively to Imperialist Germany and the Prussian military aristocracy... yes



elimination of labor unions,  forced labor...  arent socialist traits. 

I already mentioned earlier that they replaced labor unions with a socialist state labor organization.

Fascism dictated their behavior and treatment of others.. which was awful indeed.. but that still does not change the fact that they were ....crazy socialists.....
 

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« Reply #1293 on: April 07, 2017, 01:37:08 pm »
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That's not egalitarianism that is Anti Conservatism, anything relating to National Renewal and 'Changing of the old guard' is typical of a fascist ideologue.  This is also seen in Italy during the build up to war and particularly after Abyssinia and in Japan to a limited extent. The fact that you used as evidence, that they promoted members of the party, members of the SS and ultra-nationalist radicals, shows that its not egalitarianism at all but motivated by a wholly different factor.

Also simply having a labour union doesn't make them socialist, the purpose of the union is what makes it socialist.  The mandated unions of Fascist regimes were not used to protect workers right or as a security for workers, they were used as a form of control over both industry and the workforce by the regime in order to penalise both for anything which was not in the 'national interest' (e.g. high productivity low cost).

Simply because fascist ideology shared some elements with socialist thought does not make them Socialists.
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« Reply #1294 on: April 07, 2017, 03:04:09 pm »
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As stated earlier,  I think that we just have totally different definitions of socialism in our head,  and thereby cannot discuss this with a chance of finding common ground. 

There are a hand full of people with way more knowledge on this than any of us,  who seem to have similar problems in defining what national socialism is,  so I aint even sad about it.  its just totally mind boggling o0

and shows how important it is to have clear definitions.

specially cause we have different definitions of a bunch of words. hm.

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« Reply #1295 on: April 07, 2017, 03:48:31 pm »
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« Reply #1296 on: April 07, 2017, 04:00:06 pm »
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« Reply #1297 on: April 07, 2017, 04:08:26 pm »
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« Reply #1298 on: April 07, 2017, 05:00:21 pm »
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Several gunmen spotted in differenct locations in downtown Stockholm. A reporter says he saw atleast five dead bodies.

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« Reply #1299 on: April 07, 2017, 05:21:35 pm »
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Several gunmen spotted in differenct locations in downtown Stockholm. A reporter says he saw atleast five dead bodies.

Jesus is this true? Multiple gunmen?

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« Reply #1300 on: April 07, 2017, 05:38:58 pm »
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Yes. One recently arrested.

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« Reply #1301 on: April 07, 2017, 06:11:41 pm »
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Yes. One recently arrested.

https://www.facebook.com/daniel.unver/posts/10155082038535429

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Thank god the male officers arrest him. We all saw on youtube what happens when female officers 'try' to arrest someone...
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« Reply #1302 on: April 07, 2017, 06:12:29 pm »
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Thank god the male officers arrest him. We all saw on youtube what happens when female officers 'try' to arrest someone...

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« Reply #1303 on: April 07, 2017, 06:45:32 pm »
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so this is how you turn the most peace loving open minded country sooner or later into a fachist shithole :/
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« Reply #1304 on: April 07, 2017, 06:50:03 pm »
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