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[Grytviken]

NG was extremely efficient, they could do much more with fewer resources. Their technology was top notch. I'm not sure where UK was spending their budget, but if NG had time to properly focus on UK British Isles would become part of the history just like Atlantis. UK forces were hiding in bunkers most of the war, they didn't capitulate like French but were conquered almost just as much. They weren't force to reckon most of the WWII.

That is why people from Germany and Eastern Europe can't stand WWII movies that come from Anglo-Saxon lands. D-Day wasn't important at all, it happened when NG already colapsed yet you make as crucial point that tipped the tides of war on one side. Western front was a joke compared to Eastern Front, where true battle was fought. Without Eastern Front, Nazi would conquer the whole world in less than two years.

Well just by looking at the National Socialist GDP, you can see even as the war escalated to it's height the National Socialists still held back a large portion of their GDP for Socialist spending, development and expansion while the UK went all out. So it is a myth that they were just blatantly spending everything on military production. This is just more proof that they were strongly committed to their socialist ways.


There's an interesting theory that if the Soviets weren't so comfortable in their alliance with the Nazziis so many millions of them wouldn't have been killed and captured when Albert decided to betray Stalin. Losing more soldiers doesn't equate to military success.

[Leshma]

Redpilled af, I like it. Genuine question Leshma, what were your views like 5 years ago? I really have hope for the future.

I was born and raised in remnants of former communist society. My parents are role models for such society, hard working honest people, proper mother and father, three kids (two to keep population the same, third for growth as state suggested). I never suffered violence from their hands, my parents stopped smoking young and only reason they smoked because it was huge back in the day. They never were alcoholic. Not taking drugs or anything. Behaving normally.

As Oberyn would say, I was kinda raised in a walled garden. But that garden started to crumble when I was very young and is progressively getting worse, accelerating over time. True nature of the people is exactly as Fascist believed in, given bad enough circumstances they would truly eat you alive if that meant they get to live. No one would say, you know I won't do that because it is morally wrong and is clashing with my personal beliefs. That is very fragile in each of us and poverty brings true nature to the surface. Currently this country is very poor on many levels and people are barely able to keep things civil enough.

But I don't think we should live as animals, believe in balance because everything in this universe has to be balanced otherwise everything would fell apart. So yeah, it would be nice if we could work harder to attain goal of better future but that doesn't mean we have to forget our true nature. Problem with this liberal left or whatever is called, they want people to forget what being human really is about.

[Grytviken]

Gryt has a point. Fascism is an idea that was based on the works of Nietzsche, where someone obviously not intelligent enough misinterpreted what writer was saying in his books. Fascism is all about same things now alt-right stands for, that we're wild, free people who love and cherish violence and there should be no laws that stop us from fucking up each other as evolution intended. Stronger human wins, that law of nature should be upheld above everything else according to Fascism. Large majority of you support fascist ideas, not saying you are wrong for doing that just stating the facts.

When it comes to leading the state, Nazi used combination of capitalism and socialism. They have chosen parts of each ideologies according to their own belief in efficiency. They weren't wrong, whole world had to step up in order to stop one medium sized country.

We can act like morally upstanding individuals as much we like, but there is no logic in denying the fact that chocolate chip cookie Germany was extremely well working country. If not for huge sacrifice people from Soviet Union have taken, they would conquer Soviet Union much faster and United States wouldn't have the time to stop Germany from advancing. At that point it would be USA vs rest of the world which didn't seem doable back in early 1940s.

Fifty years from now, world is largely plagued by those who they branded as problematic species and tried to exterminate. What is the source of inequality? Modern economy based on banks. Who runs those banks? Jews, of course. Blackrock, Goldman Sachs, board of directors full of Jewish people. Who are the people who abuse socialism? Black people in United States, Muslim refugees in Europe. Biggest troublemakers are exactly those people Nazis branded as such.

I mean... you really let it out there. ppl are definitely going to get butthurt about what you wrote. They get butt-blasted at the mere thought that it is possible to be a fascist and a socialist at the same time, as if there's some sort of moral code of peace and love embedded into the framework of socialism that separates it from other ideologies.

My point was originally to avoid all the war talk and just strictly discuss the economic and socialist policies of the National Socialists and the similarities it shares with the European Union today like non democratic central planning and trading.

But yea i'm neither left nor right, I would be a "Centrist" n Euro-terms . Right wingers and conservatives tend to be more open minded in my experience than lefties surprisingly.

There is definitely alot of propaganda in Western media, but they are just playing by the same rules as everyone else, which is why I believe freedom of speech is important.

[Leshma]

Communist state was heavily relying on military, just like fascist Germany. Because communists knew only way for their plan to work is to conquer the whole world. Just like capitalism tried to eradicate communism, same was happening on the other side.

Capitalism will always win against communism in fair battle because it is relying on basic instincts while communism needs special circumstances to succeed. Communism can only work in vacuum, without other options or opinions present. It is ideology with clear goals, that resembles religion because it serves like life guide. Only freedom you get in communism ideally is freedom from oppression by higher class. You sacrifice all other freedoms for it. In the end you're still oppressed by higher class because our society, just like ant society is built around vertical hierarchy. There needs to be different kind of society for ideas like communism to work.

I think that somebody wrote that Lenin tried to make such society by giving power back to the people, so called decentralized government or no actual government where every group of people governed by themselves. It backfired of course, because as soon you do that people start oppressing each other on micro level, so called local Lords pop up (happens in every chaos like war in Ukraine for example).

So yeah, for communism to work we need to be optimal people with vast knowledge and 100% sane. But when (if) time comes when every adult human is like there would be no need for governments or ideologies. Communism is more like a path to that state than actual working government model.

Why people stand for it in such vast quantities? They want huge change because it gives them possibility for better life. Every massive change does that to society, nouveau riche pop up everywhere.

[Grytviken]

Communist state was heavily relying on military, just like fascist Germany. Because communists knew only way for their plan to work is to conquer the whole world. Just like capitalism tried to eradicate communism, same was happening on the other side.

Capitalism will always win against communism in fair battle because it is relying on basic instincts while communism needs special circumstances to succeed. Communism can only work in vacuum, without other options or opinions present. It is ideology with clear goals, that resembles religion because it serves like life guide. Only freedom you get in communism ideally is freedom from oppression by higher class. You sacrifice all other freedoms for it. In the end you're still oppressed by higher class because our society, just like ant society is built around vertical hierarchy. There needs to be different kind of society for ideas like communism to work.

I think that somebody wrote that Lenin tried to make such society by giving power back to the people, so called decentralized government or no actual government where every group of people governed by themselves. It backfired of course, because as soon you do that people start oppressing each other on micro level, so called local Lords pop up (happens in every chaos like war in Ukraine for example).

So yeah, for communism to work we need to be optimal people with vast knowledge and 100% sane. But when (if) time comes when every adult human is like there would be no need for governments or ideologies. Communism is more like a path to that state than actual working government model.

Why people stand for it in such vast quantities? They want huge change because it gives them possibility for better life. Every massive change does that to society, nouveau riche pop up everywhere.

Communism seems to work under extremities of hardship. China for example, imagine the struggle of trying to feed 1.4 billion people, that is no ordinary task. Even the first early settlers in the US practiced a form of communism forming communes of shared land and agriculture to survive the beginning years. I think China is slowly adapting their form of communism as the situation improves, maybe that is one of the many plights of communism is the failure to adapt.

[Leshma]

Thing about hardship is, as long you're alive it's not too hard

Life doesn't work that way tho, life always wants more, enough is never enough. If it was (now it is time for religious to close their eyes) life would never evolve from single cell organism, branching for millions of years into homo sapience.

[Paul]

So then what's the endgame of capitalism? What to do with the pleb if the owners don't need their workforce or military service anymore due technological advancement? Marx tried to show that the owners are not needed for value generation and should be cut out of the equation. Now it seems this could be inverted and the workers could be cut out in the future - starting with the unskilled ones. Fortunately engineers are among the last ones that would have to go. Still it's kinda terrifying.

[Grytviken]

So then what's the endgame of capitalism? What to do with the pleb if the owners don't need their workforce or military service anymore due technological advancement? Marx tried to show that the owners are not needed for value generation and should be cut out of the equation. Now it seems this could be inverted and the workers could be cut out in the future - starting with the unskilled ones. Fortunately engineers are among the last ones that would have to go. Still it's kinda terrifying.

Mass degeneracy, robotic communism, orgies, corruption and over consumption, the same as it was in Rome 2000 years ago. Plebs will be fine cus Republic.

[Xant]

"Refugees" "flooding" "Europe"

[Torben]

lol

[Xant]

So then what's the endgame of capitalism? What to do with the pleb if the owners don't need their workforce or military service anymore due technological advancement? Marx tried to show that the owners are not needed for value generation and should be cut out of the equation. Now it seems this could be inverted and the workers could be cut out in the future - starting with the unskilled ones. Fortunately engineers are among the last ones that would have to go. Still it's kinda terrifying.

Yes, it'd be terrifying to not be your job anymore. To do what you want with your life, instead of wasting more than one third of it slaving away for some CEO's profits.

[njames89]

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[Paul]

Yes, it'd be terrifying to not be your job anymore. To do what you want with your life, instead of wasting more than one third of it slaving away for some CEO's profits.

Well, my job is mostly fun. I'm one of two engineers in our company, the other being my "CEO". Today I was troubleshooting the firmware for a piece of electronics we developed, forgetting the time, but solving the problem at the end of the day. Believe it or not, that is for me far more satisfying than 24/7ning a game, a forum or whatever you do.

[Xant]

Well, my job is mostly fun. I'm one of two engineers in our company, the other being my "CEO". Today I was troubleshooting the firmware for a piece of electronics we developed, forgetting the time, but solving the problem at the end of the day. Believe it or not, that is for me far more satisfying than 24/7ning a game, a forum or whatever you do.

Believe it or not, most people aren't engineers that enjoy their jobs.

[Casimir]

Yes they were Fascist in the sense that they were heavily indoctrinated socialists. They allowed Private ownership because they had such a strong socialist party indoctrination that noone would dare oppose  it's socio economic plans.

You don't need to waste time officially nationalizing every single businesses if people know they will be labeled a traitor and killed for breaking the socialist economic policy

Fascism does not make them any less socialist, it only refers to the indoctrination, you could be fascist capitalists, communists, socialists.

But that isn't what fascism means...

Fascism doesn't refer to the indoctrination it refers to a political ideology which pursues ultra-nationalist goals, normally focusing upon Anti Libralism and Anti Communism.  Fascist ideology by its nature is against any form of egalitarianism (a core principle of both socialism and communism) placing the national / ethnic identity above all others and promotes violence as the means towards achieving most of its aims.