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Title: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Xant on April 04, 2014, 12:05:40 pm
http://rt.com/usa/james-boyd-killed-apd-965/


A brief summary: A homeless dude was "camping illegally", so a law enforcement fire-team with military spec gear arrives. The homeless guy starts to comply, they throw a flashbang at him bring a dog right next to him.. and when he turns around a bit, they shoot him with assault rifles. When the guy is down (probably dead), they shoot him with beanbag rounds, then send the dog on him.

Meanwhile in Europe, that guy would have gotten tazed max, and probably just manhandled to the ground by one or two officers and then cuffed. The funny thing is that the officers who shot that guy had a dog, they had beanbag rounds, they had tazers, they had OC, but they chose to shoot him with assault rifles and throw a flashbang.

BTW, this video was released by the police department to show that the shooting was "justified."
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Clockworkkiller on April 04, 2014, 12:13:23 pm
OH HURR DURR, AMERICAN POLICE SO BAD

LOLOLlLoLOLOLOl EU MASTUR RACE

Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: polkafranzi on April 04, 2014, 12:27:44 pm
It's ok, murder is upheld in the bible, so those cops just be doing gods work, right 76% of americans?
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Algarn on April 04, 2014, 12:29:20 pm
It's because of such retards that I see America as a country with 1/2 guy that got 60 IQ.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Molly on April 04, 2014, 12:29:38 pm
OH HURR DURR, AMERICAN POLICE SO BAD

LOLOLlLoLOLOLOl EU MASTUR RACE
Does this post mean that you agree with the way those officers handled the situation?
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Vibe on April 04, 2014, 12:31:19 pm
Does this post mean that you agree with the way those officers handled the situation?

no this just means he's dense, but everyone knew that already so the post is quite redundant
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Logen on April 04, 2014, 12:45:09 pm
How do they justify this shooting?
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 04, 2014, 12:59:12 pm
How do they justify this shooting?
I know, right? That dude did have two small knives, but he was walking away when they shot him. And he was complying, before the flashbang was thrown, and I'd assume that and the closing of the dog got him disoriented.

Their official justification, of course, is:

"With regards to this month’s incident, Chief Eden said Boyd posed a “direct threat” to his officers and cited Garner v. Tennessee, a Supreme Court of the United States decision that found that the police can use deadly force in certain circumstances."

Also, see the kind of equipment U.S police have. Suppressed assault rifles? Sure are necessary.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on April 04, 2014, 01:05:20 pm
Unleash a spec ops squad onto some homeless guy who doesn't even seem to be aggresive at all. Get him smoked, shot, attacked by the dog, which by the way is probably more human than its owners. Legit! Seems legit! Some nations around the world have obviously discovered the fact that psychos and mentally disturbed individuals make the best cops and enforcement officers.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Radament on April 04, 2014, 01:58:30 pm
this is another easy trigger situation , i know the pressure but jeesus , a trained cop didn't recognise a waliking stick and immediately shoot full magazine at a 70 y/o. i know , it's a difficult situation but all i can think is visitors can't see pics , please register or login


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Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Christo on April 04, 2014, 02:23:21 pm
What the fuck
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: LordBerenger on April 04, 2014, 02:28:30 pm
Of course it's showcased by RT. Ever seen them show anything bad in Russia? Fucking Kremlin biased news site worse than Fox News.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 04, 2014, 02:30:38 pm
Of course it's showcased by RT. Ever seen them show anything bad in Russia? Fucking Kremlin biased news site worse than Fox News.
this video was released by the police department to show that the shooting was "justified."
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Christo on April 04, 2014, 02:32:17 pm
Berenger man of course RT is going to get the jump on this, but that's not the topic right now.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Miwiw on April 04, 2014, 02:35:07 pm
I'd rather go to Saudi Arabia than to America. Got it!

I mean, I appreciate taking stuff they produce in America, especially electronic stuff as Games, hardware and shit. But that's it. Those guys obviously did a good job - for a movie.

Oh wait, is that guy black? Nah, no problem then.

Yup, you know what I mean Christo. ;)
Haha, just took Saudi Arabia, by thinking about that American Dad Episode.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Umbra on April 04, 2014, 02:37:28 pm
What the fuck? I got so many questions from this video. For instance, who in the right mind deploys automatic rifles for illegal camping? They say "get on the ground" and then they shoot him when he was clearly trying to comply? Why did they shoot lethal rounds first and why did they shoot the non lethal rounds after? Was that flashbang really necessary? They say "drop the knife" when the guys is half dead on the floor and then shoot him up some more, WTF?

A flashbang, a dog, 3 guys in tactical gear with kevlar vests and automatic rifles? I guess they just saw the homeless guy as an oportunity to test their gear out....
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Christo on April 04, 2014, 02:39:50 pm
I'd rather go to Saudi Arabia than to America. Got it!


I know it's sarcasm but wow. They jail for islam bashing on twitter :?


http://gadgets.ndtv.com/social-networking/news/saudi-arabia-sentences-man-to-eight-years-in-jail-for-twitter-protests-493739 (http://gadgets.ndtv.com/social-networking/news/saudi-arabia-sentences-man-to-eight-years-in-jail-for-twitter-protests-493739)

www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2014/03/31/saudi-arabia-doubles-down-on-atheism-new-laws-declares-it-equivalent-to-terrorism/ (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2014/03/31/saudi-arabia-doubles-down-on-atheism-new-laws-declares-it-equivalent-to-terrorism/)

Best country ever
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: LordBerenger on April 04, 2014, 03:16:14 pm


Know. Read that. But the point is..... RT covers this. RT covered the Wall Street protests. RT covers the Assange stuff. RT covers the Snowden leak. RT covers everything that's anti-US government. They're Kremlin biased dirty lovers.

Ever seen them go this hard at Russian government misdeeds etc? Anything bad about Comrade Putin?


I'd rather go to Saudi Arabia than to America. Got it!


Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates etc are quite beautiful places to visit (atleast big cities). As long as you're not a woman which none of you are.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Emotion on April 04, 2014, 03:25:42 pm
Lol, are you guys serious? Every round fired was non-lethal. Only one officer had lethal equipped, and the blood you see is from him hitting his head on the rock, which clearly couldn't have been planned. I'm definitely not saying that this was justified, but this is no where near as bad as other videos/photos posted from other countries, especially Russia. Again, not saying this is justified, but every country has the same issues that arise when some feel more empowered than others, and seem to have a right to enact on it.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: YnScN on April 04, 2014, 03:35:01 pm
God Bless America
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: AntiBlitz on April 04, 2014, 04:12:26 pm
well if you're only going to post half the story then of course you will have two pages of uninformed people saying "how dare they" or "why no use non lethal".

1) This event had been going on for around like 4 hours
2) The original call was dispatched to local law enforcement, whom responded, and then called for a crisis team because the man had clear issues and refused to respond while holding 2 knives
3) They talked to him, he refused to comply, they threw a flashbang and told him to comply, he refused, they sent a dog on him, he brandishes two knives and attempts to get the dog off him while wielding two knives then turns away to do who knows what, maybe get another weapon from his gear, maybe get a gun from his waist band, you really dont know till after the fact, and then at that point its okay for everyone to monday morning quarterback you.
4)while lying on the ground, he still refuses to drop the damn knives, yet says he cant move, but can move his legs and talk just fine.  They shoot beanbags at him, he still refuses to comply, they send the dog for assurance, then move to arrest him.  You really can never be to safe, who is to say when they approach he doesnt lunge out and stab someone, why take that chance? 

I cant really swing either way on this one, but you really have to question how much time and money can really be spent on issues like these.  I also dont see any problems with the use of the beanbags while he is laying on the ground, and dont forget, its all in the eyes of the person, if it looked like the dog was being struck at with a knife, well he is technically assaulting an officer with a weapon.  There is also this always ever present idea from people that you cant shoot people in the back, as if thats some sort of real thing.  Either way, and this is my personal opinion, its okay for people who have never been trained to over criticize law enforcement, but god forbid someone comes to your job and harasses the piss out of you on how you arent doing your job correctly, the shoe is never on the other foot, you never see in the news, "man pours concrete wrong way, doesnt smooth in circles" or "grocery bagger puts dairies with packaged meat, faces heavy criticism and may lose job because angry soccer mom hails manager".

Either way, im trying to be informative, and atleast have a fair discussion rather then the normal shock and awe that is the typical comments.
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Dont forget, he is wielding knives, im not sure of many people who would want to close the gap with a knife wielding man to put some pepper spray in his face, lol, you have to be so fucking close to people to spray them that at any point they could near reach out and fucking grab you.

The taser wont really work on heavy clothing, like sweaters or multiple layers of clothing, one would have to have the long probed version, which in New Mexico they might not even bother to purchase since its rather warm near year round.(if you ever want to be a taserless man, buy one of those puffy jackets, they are fucking impenetrable lol 
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What the fuck? I got so many questions from this video. For instance, who in the right mind deploys automatic rifles for illegal camping? They say "get on the ground" and then they shoot him when he was clearly trying to comply? Why did they shoot lethal rounds first and why did they shoot the non lethal rounds after? Was that flashbang really necessary? They say "drop the knife" when the guys is half dead on the floor and then shoot him up some more, WTF?

A flashbang, a dog, 3 guys in tactical gear with kevlar vests and automatic rifles? I guess they just saw the homeless guy as an oportunity to test their gear out....

has so many questions, i answer them, they dont comply with his attempted propaganda, minuses person, must be wrong........

1)they called their crisis teams out, this instead had been occurring and tying up resources for hours, those beat cops have to go back to their patrols and leave it to the teams to handle.
2)the response teams have assault rifles, thats a standard, they didnt send them to deal with an illegal camper you dult.
3)at what point was he complying? before the first 4 hours, or after the last 12 shouts to get on the ground, he then starts to walk away from them.  At no point was he complying
4)they shot non lethal rounds afterwards because why would you shoot him again? they arent trying to kill him, they are trying to disarm him
5)you bitch and moan about why they dont use non lethal weapons, then you ask if the flashbang was necessary......
6)they never shot him again after he was on the ground, they shot him with bean bag rounds

like i said, please go spread your misinformation and propaganda elsewhere.......
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Christo on April 04, 2014, 04:14:18 pm
What the fuck AntiBlitz.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: AntiBlitz on April 04, 2014, 04:20:57 pm
What the fuck AntiBlitz.

wat?

what the hell did i do know?


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Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Logen on April 04, 2014, 04:32:30 pm
So if someone refuses to comply you just shoot him dead? Why not use beanbags and taser first, leaving lethal rounds as the last resort?
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Jarold on April 04, 2014, 04:32:36 pm
WTF. Those cops better do some time. I still respect cops here in America though, just not the psychos who don't deserve the badge. But were they really lethal rounds, or just rubber?

Stop the gang bang on the American law enforcement already lol.

Let's not go and say how horrible all of Europes law enforcement is after watching a video of Ukranian riot police beating on down civilians.  :cry:
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: AntiBlitz on April 04, 2014, 04:38:40 pm
So if someone refuses to comply you just shoot him dead? Why not use beanbags and taser first, leaving lethal rounds as the last resort?

I said the taser wont work on sweaters and heavy clothing, and the barbs go in unpredictable goofy directions, so fat chance shooting someone in the calf with it.

idk i wasnt there, i dont really wanna monday morning quarterback the dudes.  but they used half the shit on the ol' batbelt, did they need to use the rest?  i guess they could have, though they didnt.  Like i said in my post, its all observation and the feelings of the officers, they had no idea what the guy had, whose to say he wasnt moving for a gun, or turning away so he could reach into his waistband without them seeing.  Though in the end, nothing of the sort was found, though would it have changed ur mind if he had a fucking bazooka in his bags to which he was moving towards?  They did what they did, and unfortunately watching it, it looks fucking terrible lol, i can even confide with that.  It looks so bad, but it must not be that bad when its been okayed by the court, and hasnt really hit the news in the U.S(only a few small sites and things, one day of coverage was about it).

you should give the guys a little bit of credit  :rolleyes:, they didnt dump clip on his ass lol, they gave him the ol' two tap.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Kafein on April 04, 2014, 04:43:07 pm
Every man is a potential maniac whose dream is to kill or wound cops, with most likely a nuclear warhead in their pocket. It's better to be safe and shoot them first because I don't known what proportional means.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: AntiBlitz on April 04, 2014, 04:46:05 pm
im trying to be a philosophical ass, yet i dont know what im talking about, my day job is sitting in an office, my night job is critiquing cops on youtube videos on a medieval game forum

Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Kafein on April 04, 2014, 04:52:40 pm
My theory is that the US is a Fallout-style wasteland populated by psychos.

If it wasn't so, why would law enforcement always act like it is ?
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Vibe on April 04, 2014, 05:12:33 pm
well if your only going to post half the story then

stopped reading there -1
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: AntiBlitz on April 04, 2014, 05:21:06 pm
My theory is that the US is a Fallout-style wasteland populated by psychos.

If it wasn't so, why would law enforcement always act like it is ?

lol its a good theory, but really just think about it, you never know what a person is armed with, so you always assume the man is armed.  Why put yourself at a disadvantage and at ease by believing he isnt.  The one time he does and decides to use it was the moment you werent ready.  Its a value that every leo has forced on him throughout his training.  I dont think its a stupid value, if anything its those things that may keep you alive.  Remember the entire country has access to firearms, so even a child could possess them, your only insurance to yourself is remembering that one simple value, believe everyone is armed until you know otherwise.  Thats unfortunately why we always get videos of cops shooting someone reaching into their pockets or lifting a t-shirt up, or something silly, and then we blast the cop because you saw what seemed obvious while what he saw seemed like it may take his life.  Of course in this instance its hard to believe this, as it just looks cold, and i am right with you if you believe that, it really does look like murder, or rather misuse of force, its all perception.(murder seems like too strong a word) 

Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on April 04, 2014, 05:59:53 pm
The militarization of our police forces is alarming.  The civil liberties being infringed upon for the past 15 years is alarming (not just the illegal spying and wiretapping, things like being able to execute American citizens, or that you can be detained without any right to face your accusers [referring to habeus corpus being able to be suspended]).  The 30+ year war on drugs is also very disturbing as it set in motion the direction we've been going in for quite some time.  We have a massive military industrial complex, as well as a massive prison industrial complex, and the two are meeting in the middle with the militarization of our police forces.

I think that police regularly use excessive force here, but at the same time, everyone in America knows you need to obey the police officers.  You don't argue with them, you can argue to a judge or jury if you want, but arguing with police officers is not going to get you anywhere.   

What the fuck? I got so many questions from this video. For instance, who in the right mind deploys automatic rifles for illegal camping? They say "get on the ground" and then they shoot him when he was clearly trying to comply?

Well at first I Thought he was getting down too, but it looks like he's trying to start running away when he turns, not go to the ground (not saying that justifies shooting him in the back with lethal rounds).
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Kafein on April 04, 2014, 06:06:01 pm
lol its a good theory, but really just think about it, you never know what a person is armed with, so you always assume the man is armed.  Why put yourself at a disadvantage and at ease by believing he isnt.  The one time he does and decides to use it was the moment you werent ready.  Its a value that every leo has forced on him throughout his training.  I dont think its a stupid value, if anything its those things that may keep you alive.  Remember the entire country has access to firearms, so even a child could possess them, your only insurance to yourself is remembering that one simple value, believe everyone is armed until you know otherwise.  Thats unfortunately why we always get videos of cops shooting someone reaching into their pockets or lifting a t-shirt up, or something silly, and then we blast the cop because you saw what seemed obvious while what he saw seemed like it may take his life.  Of course in this instance its hard to believe this, as it just looks cold, and i am right with you if you believe that, it really does look like murder, or rather misuse of force, its all perception.(murder seems like too strong a word)

We're back to the gun debate then. But to me there's a problem with the relation between the police and the citizens. As a police officer, you are protecting other people, not yourself. I don't see this here.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Tovi on April 04, 2014, 06:43:34 pm
Americans...champions of Freedom (to kill anybody).
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 04, 2014, 06:54:57 pm
well if you're only going to post half the story then of course you will have two pages of uninformed people saying "how dare they" or "why no use non lethal".
What? I posted everything that is relevant. The only thing that would've changed anything is if that guy had a suicide vest and the trigger to it was behind his back on the ground.

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1) This event had been going on for around like 4 hours
Damn, the cops hadn't had their doughnuts for 4 hours. Nevermind then, just shoot the guy dead.

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2) The original call was dispatched to local law enforcement, whom responded, and then called for a crisis team because the man had clear issues and refused to respond while holding 2 knives
Gasp! Better shoot the guy, he had two butter knives!

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3) They talked to him, he refused to comply, they threw a flashbang and told him to comply, he refused, they sent a dog on him, he brandishes two knives and attempts to get the dog off him while wielding two knives then turns away to do who knows what, maybe get another weapon from his gear, maybe get a gun from his waist band, you really dont know till after the fact, and then at that point its okay for everyone to monday morning quarterback you.
He was complying before they threw the flash bang, as is evident on the video. The dog never attacked the man, nor was it in range of his knives at any point. Are you legally blind? That's about the only excuse for the crap you're spouting. He was complying - they throw a flash bang and bring the dog closer - he waves his arms - he turns around to walk away - they shoot him dead.
"Monday morning quarterback", that's fucking rich. Maybe we shouldn't "Monday morning quarterback" school shootings either. The school shooter might've had a bad day, and hey, who knows, maybe he thought the kids had automatic weapons? Fuck, for all he knows, maybe the kids were "maybe reaching for weapons from their waistband."

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4)while lying on the ground, he still refuses to drop the damn knives, yet says he cant move, but can move his legs and talk just fine.  They shoot beanbags at him, he still refuses to comply, they send the dog for assurance, then move to arrest him.  You really can never be to safe, who is to say when they approach he doesnt lunge out and stab someone, why take that chance? 
Legally deaf too, I see.

For anyone interested, here is a good thread about it. Most of the posters have actually seen a lot of combat, and also has a lot of cops with Good Sense posting (as opposed to retards like AntiBlitz).
http://socnet.com/showthread.php?t=119726

And as you can see it's not most Americans who are like this, in fact, most of them are against the militarization of America's LE.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Tore on April 04, 2014, 07:04:49 pm
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Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: AntiBlitz on April 04, 2014, 07:16:27 pm
We're back to the gun debate then. But to me there's a problem with the relation between the police and the citizens. As a police officer, you are protecting other people, not yourself. I don't see this here.

yes both you and crazycracka are absolutely correct, different topics albeit.

The gun debate will forever be a never ending issue, but its one that the U.S is relatively stuck with.  Any public safety person will tell you there is a assignment that is placed upon everyone around you when shit hits the fan, and its always this: you, your partners, bystanders, badguy/patient(sorry patient, you are no better then the badguy).  I first learned this when i started as an emt, then as i furthered my career in other directions this same philosophy was used in every other aspect of public safety, from emergency care, firefighting, to law enforcement.  Thats just the way it goes, you arent good to anyone if you are dead and this applies to everyone, so i cant see me not being allowed to protect myself as a valid argument, though, in this particular video the only thing he is protecting himself from is the unknown in his eyes.

the militarization i believe has always been there, its just now that cameras and the news have really come full circle that people see it more and more.  Of course its taken incidents like the north hollywood bank robbery to really push for a national standard, and of course the "war on drugs" fueling the never ending court debate on what boundaries can be pushed legally.


What? I posted everything that is relevant. The only thing that would've changed anything is if that guy had a suicide vest and the trigger to it was behind his back on the ground.
Damn, the cops hadn't had their doughnuts for 4 hours. Nevermind then, just shoot the guy dead.
Gasp! Better shoot the guy, he had two butter knives!
He was complying before they threw the flash bang, as is evident on the video. The dog never attacked the man, nor was it in range of his knives at any point. Are you legally blind? That's about the only excuse for the crap you're spouting. He was complying - they throw a flash bang and bring the dog closer - he waves his arms - he turns around to walk away - they shoot him dead.
"Monday morning quarterback", that's fucking rich. Maybe we shouldn't "Monday morning quarterback" school shootings either. The school shooter might've had a bad day, and hey, who knows, maybe he thought the kids had automatic weapons? Fuck, for all he knows, maybe the kids were "maybe reaching for weapons from their waistband."
Legally deaf too, I see.

For anyone interested, here is a good thread about it. Most of the posters have actually seen a lot of combat, and also has a lot of cops with Good Sense posting (as opposed to retards like AntiBlitz).
http://socnet.com/showthread.php?t=119726

And as you can see it's not most Americans who are like this, in fact, most of them are against the militarization of America's LE.

nah you posted half the story and posted everything you could to fuel the fire, its typical really.  I shouldnt bother typing this, as i and everyone else knows, you are always right, never wrong.  This will turn into another 40 pages with you typing nonsense and trying to think deeply about an issue that is a non concern to you.  This whole thread is pointless really, the only reason you posted it and the feeble evidence you gave was to cause a forum stir. 

Its funny how you mentally break down at the sight of my posts, you begin to troll.  cant come up with anything worth a note, talks about donuts and cops, man how original you are.  Piss off Xant.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 04, 2014, 07:24:04 pm
Hahah, "the militarization has always been there." God, so many things wrong with that sentence. First, a "militarization" can't always have "been there." Because this is not how English works. Second, AntiBlitz is, supposedly, LE himself, yet he's completely unaware of how the militarization has happened? MRAPs and cops with suppressed M4s in camos haven't "always been there", nor have all the other hi-tech shit the current LE cowards need to get within 100 feet of a drunk. And they won't get closer, of course, before they've shot the drunk a few times. He might reach for something.

Feel free to post your opinions on socnet, Antiblitz. Really, I implore you. It'd be a pleasure to watch.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Tovi on April 04, 2014, 07:30:06 pm
In other countries they'd use drones.
Thousands of innocent victims killed : http://drones.pitchinteractive.com/


Next step : http://rt.com/usa/drone-strike-possible-citizen-401/

This country is out of (people) control.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: AntiBlitz on April 04, 2014, 07:31:14 pm
Hahah, "the militarization has always been there." God, so many things wrong with that sentence. First, a "militarization" can't always have "been there." Because this is not how English works. Second, AntiBlitz is, supposedly, LE himself, yet he's completely unaware of how the militarization has happened? MRAPs and cops with suppressed M4s in camos haven't "always been there", nor have all the other hi-tech shit the current LE cowards need to get within 100 feet of a drunk. And they won't get closer, of course, before they've shot the drunk a few times. He might reach for something.

yes, the government began selling surplus M16's to civilians and law enforcement some time after vietnam and up until now, though i guess that wasnt much of a problem back then. You're talking out of your ass, as if you know.  How are suppressors a military only accessory, anyone can own a suppressor, given they have the correct stamps, and the state law doesnt forbid it.  Painting a weapon with a can of spray paint doesnt increase its potency......

Law enforcement have had firearms that only the military have had access to for decades, all the way back and before weapons like the Thompson.  Though this weapon could be purchased by civilians for a costly price.  So yes, its always been there, however small, its always been there.  Just because they have come up to modern times with their equipment we must all of a sudden chastise the guys? okay........
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on April 04, 2014, 07:32:58 pm
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Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 04, 2014, 07:36:55 pm
yes, the government began selling surplus M16's to civilians and law enforcement some time after vietnam and up until now, though i guess that wasnt much of a problem back then. You're talking out of your ass, as if you know.  How are suppressors a military only accessory, anyone can own a suppressor, given they have the correct stamps, and the state law doesnt forbid it.  Painting a weapon with a can of spray paint doesnt increase its potency......

Law enforcement have had firearms that only the military have had access to for decades, all the way back and before weapons like the Thompson.  Though this weapon could be purchased by civilians for a costly price.  So yes, its always been there, however small, its always been there.  Just because they have come up to modern times with their equipment we must all of a sudden chastise the guys? okay........
Your reading comprehension is awful. I never claimed any of those things were a "military only accessory." You don't even know what militarization means, evidently.

Here, maybe you'll learn a thing or two (but probably not): http://socnet.com/showthread.php?t=116574
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: AntiBlitz on April 04, 2014, 07:44:27 pm
Your reading comprehension is awful. I never claimed any of those things were a "military only accessory." You don't even know what militarization means, evidently.

Here, maybe you'll learn a thing or two (but probably not): http://socnet.com/showthread.php?t=116574


your typical response is to pick apart ones sentence and belittle them.  You're a tool.

k Xant, have fun playing in this thread all alone, my work is done, enjoy.


Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 04, 2014, 07:49:20 pm
All alone? Seems to me that this thread is soon on page four and I've made what, four posts? Four posts does not four pages make, AntiBlitz-san. Having problems with math too? Not surprised.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Artyem on April 04, 2014, 07:52:42 pm
I'm glad people are playing the jump to conclusions game already.  I guess it's worth mentioning that James Boyd had a history of attacking people with knives, box cutters, and even broke a female officer's nose in 2010.  They flash banged him, shot him with bean bags, yet he still didn't comply and refused to go down.  I'm not saying lethal rounds were entirely necessary, but when somebody who has a history of being violent (especially towards cops) pulls two knives while within definite range of a police officer, they are allowed to engage.  Especially after the situation had gone on for four hours without a sign of compliance, what did you want them to do?  Leave him alone?  Try to hit him with a taser (read Antiblitz's post for why that wouldn't work)?

Also, if you think every cop in America is driving around in an MRAP and equipped with M4a1's and camouflage, you're insane.

 
My theory is that the US is a Fallout-style wasteland populated by psychos.

If it wasn't so, why would law enforcement always act like it is ?


Why are you under the impression that the law enforcement ALWAYS acts like this?  Have you ever been to the U.S?  You can't believe everything RT tells you.


I should say that I'm not trying to justify the actions made by these officers, just giving some background information that RT seems to have left out.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Butan on April 04, 2014, 07:58:49 pm
People would have felt better if he was holding a gun. Two knives aint impressive enough. Thats all they see.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 04, 2014, 08:00:37 pm
I'm glad people are playing the jump to conclusions game already.  I guess it's worth mentioning that James Boyd had a history of attacking people with knives, box cutters, and even broke a female officer's nose in 2010.  They flash banged him, shot him with bean bags, yet he still didn't comply and refused to go down.

No, they shot him with live ammunition. Not bean bags. They shot him with bean bags after they'd shot him with real ammo.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Artyem on April 04, 2014, 08:03:45 pm
Actually, yeah, they did shoot him with bean bags first.  They also attempted to use a flashbang on him as well as a trained police dog.

I'm sure the Government is backing these shootings 100%, Obama probably gave the order to shoot the guy.

oh wait, the Albuquerque Police Department is now under investigation by the Department of Justice because of these situations.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 04, 2014, 08:04:42 pm
Actually, yeah, they did shoot him with bean bags first.  They also attempted to use a flashbang on him as well as a trained police dog.
Actually, no, they did not shoot him with bean bags first. Yes, they used a flash bang after he was starting to do as told. And they did put a trained (does this detail add something?) police dog near him.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Artyem on April 04, 2014, 08:07:56 pm
"As Boyd is moving, officers then threw a flash bang and released a K9 which appears to bite Boyd in the hand. Chief Eden said officers also used a taser gun and bean bag rounds. Two officers, Dominque Perez and Keith Sandy then both fired three bullets each from their department issued rifles, causing Boyd to fall to the ground."

http://krqe.com/2014/03/21/apd-officer-involved-shooting-was-justified/

http://www.vice.com/read/albequerque-shooting-james-boyd

even Vice mentions the use of bean bags before the lethal shooting
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 04, 2014, 08:08:38 pm
.... Yes, they shot him with bean bag rounds. AFTER he was shot with live ammunition six times. Once again. Watch the video.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Artyem on April 04, 2014, 08:08:57 pm
He was shot with bean bags before the video was taken, do you even read?


quote from the Vice article

"Cops first used a flash-bang grenade and beanbags against Boyd, but they didn't incapacitate him, so the police shot an unknown number of live rounds at him, at least one of which struck him."
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 04, 2014, 08:11:50 pm
No, they did not engage him before the video. And the bean bags were shot after the live ammunition, which were shot after the flash bang was thrown.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Tovi on April 04, 2014, 08:16:06 pm
Quote
I'm sure the Government is backing these shootings 100%, Obama probably gave the order to shoot the guy.

Obama ? "killing innocent people, uh uh !"

Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 04, 2014, 08:20:22 pm
It's funny how Artyem treats one Vice article as The Ultimate and Final Truth when it's clearly written by someone misinformed. First, they don't even know the number of shots - six - and second, it's obvious they're just confused from the fact that a flash bang was indeed thrown, and bean bags were indeed shot, and live rounds were also shot, but not in the order they claim. It's not a big wonder they're confused, though, because the order it was done in makes no fucking sense, which is the point.

Now, if the Vice article was not misinformed, they would not say "Cops first used a flash-bang grenade and beanbags against Boyd, but they didn't incapacitate him, so the police shot an unknown number of live rounds at him." Why would they mention a flash bang grenade and bean bags from an "incident before" (did not happen, there were people present with cameras the whole time, even before the SWAT team arrived), but not the flash bang and bean bags that were thrown and shot on the video?

Anyone with IQ of >100 would easily deduce this from available information. And this is not even all, I could go on for an hour about why it's obvious.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on April 04, 2014, 08:22:34 pm
Why would anyone need a description?  Just watch the video...
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Osiris on April 04, 2014, 08:28:18 pm
4:05 best bit :P

Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on April 04, 2014, 08:33:09 pm
the feelings this video makes me have:

sad
mad
murderous
withdrawn
lol (they fucking flash-banged a homeless dude just standing there, i feel like im watching a tim and eric cs:go skit)
disgust
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Paul on April 04, 2014, 08:34:18 pm
This is how the German police handles knife guys:

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Kinda removes the need to pump a stabbist full of projectiles before getting near him. Too fun-hating for the US though.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 04, 2014, 08:35:27 pm
Add a crowbar and that'd be a very good kit.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Clockworkkiller on April 04, 2014, 08:37:44 pm
Well, looks like I was right, this thread is nothing more than EU circlejerk "lol lets make fun of Murica"
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 04, 2014, 08:48:14 pm
Well, looks like I was right, this thread is nothing more than EU circlejerk "lol lets make fun of Murica"
It's not about America, it's about law enforcement of America.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Radament on April 04, 2014, 08:58:45 pm

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Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Teeth on April 04, 2014, 09:03:26 pm
Well, looks like I was right, this thread is nothing more than EU circlejerk "lol lets make fun of Murica"
And rightfully so. This man would have been alive now if this would have been Dutch law enforcement, same goes for probably any other well developed country with a strong rule of law. Truth simply is, law enforcement in America is extremely messed up. Now don't get me wrong, incidents happen everywhere, but the fact that this video is used as a means to justify the behaviour of these cops, is just laughably fucked up. Can't believe this isn't in any way worrisome to you as a citizen of that country.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 04, 2014, 09:12:50 pm
And rightfully so. This man would have been alive now if this would have been Dutch law enforcement, same goes for probably any other well developed country with a strong rule of law. Truth simply is, law enforcement in America is extremely messed up. Now don't get me wrong, incidents happen everywhere, but the fact that this video is used as a means to justify the behaviour of these cops, is just laughably fucked up. Can't believe this isn't in any way worrisome to you as a citizen of that country.
It isn't any less worrisome to him, most likely, if he really thought about it. He's defending it because he sees it as a "us vs them" setting. He has to stand up for his team. His team being America, and the opposite team being evil Europeans.

In fact, here's some science behind it:

"Dr Drew Westen of Emory University (author of "The Political Brain") ran an interesting experiment where he took individuals -- who identified themselves as either liberal or conservative -- and put them into an MRI machine. The MRI was focused on their brains. Westen then proceeded to ask them political questions.

Interestingly enough, in both groups the part of the brain showed activity was NOT the rational, but rather the emotional parts (limbic system). There it was on the screen. That part of their brain is active, not the other part.

What is of equal interest is while these groups were diametrically opposed in political views, they both exhibited the same behavior patterns -- especially when it came to bias. For example they were extremely condemning of the opposition candidate for wrong doing and equally overly-forgiving when their candidate did the exact same thing. In neither case did the punishment fit the 'crime.'

Here's the real kicker. Despite the researchers looking at the physical proof that these people were being emotional, not logical, the participants ALL swore that they were being logical and reasonable in their 'thinking.' (News release)."
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: [ptx] on April 04, 2014, 09:23:04 pm
This is how the German police handles knife guys:

(click to show/hide)

Kinda removes the need to pump a stabbist full of projectiles before getting near him. Too fun-hating for the US though.
Is... is that chainmail? :o
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Clockworkkiller on April 04, 2014, 09:28:34 pm
Did I even once, mention anything about those police and their actions?
No, because I'm not trying to defend them. I'm commenting on the all the posts bashing the US and the fact that apparently the actions of 4 or so officers reflects on every other fucking cop in the country.

Yes, that shooting wasn't justified
Yes the situation coulda been handled better
Yes, there are a few rotten apples in the police

Does this incident represent how bad and fucked up the US is? No
Because it's just an incident
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on April 04, 2014, 09:36:17 pm
Well, looks like I was right, this thread is nothing more than EU circlejerk "lol lets make fun of Murica"

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Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.  If your country (or someone in your country) is doing something that is wrong, call them on it.  Trying to change your country for the better is much more patriotic than blindly ignoring things that are wrong and should be changed within your country. 
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Leshma on April 04, 2014, 09:48:15 pm
Is... is that chainmail? :o

Like you've never seen the butcher with maille gloves... just because it's not medieval age anymore doesn't mean mail lost its purpose.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on April 04, 2014, 09:50:28 pm
sounds like a pretty shitty butcher
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Butan on April 04, 2014, 09:53:39 pm
It all stems from "dont put yourself in a dangerous situation if you can avoid it, if you cant, protect your life at all cost" police mantra, which is sometimes applied liberally. Still, policemen need to be protected from criminals too.

The barrier is thin between protecting oneself and overreacting to the cost of someone else life. Thus we argue about whether or not it was legitimate to use deadly force.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 04, 2014, 10:23:32 pm
It isn't a thin barrier. Someone died here simply because of incompetency and cowardice. Even the shoot was fucked up, the guy with the helmet cam should not have shot from that angle even if he was against a real bad guy.

The "officer safety" mantra is ridiculous. If you're a pussy, find another job. And no, I'm not saying officer safety is bullshit, just that most of the times it's brought up it's bullshit. "Herrrrp that old guy we did a no-knock on was reaching for something... maybe... so we shot him. Officer safety comes first you know. Oh yeah, that guy was innocent, but hey, officer safety."
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Leshma on April 04, 2014, 10:42:36 pm
It all stems from "dont put yourself in a dangerous situation if you can avoid it, if you cant, protect your life at all cost" police mantra, which is sometimes applied liberally. Still, policemen need to be protected from criminals too.

The barrier is thin between protecting oneself and overreacting to the cost of someone else life. Thus we argue about whether or not it was legitimate to use deadly force.

From you postings I got the impression that you have close ties to law enforcement. If that's really the case, I don't understand how can you defend these "cops". They didn't need so much "force" to put down this guy, especially if they knew him from before (from previous reports it seems to me he's just homeless thug). It's plainly obvious this is the case of bored policemen living in a boring town who got new toys to play with... just like USA soldiers in Iraq who were so bored beyond belief so they had to "entertain" themselves with some innocent civilians while few miles from them their compatriots fought against the real deal...

I bet this rarely happens on the east coast of USA. They have real and dangerous criminals to deal with and they can't afford mistakes. Unlike these idiots on the video who would probably end up dead if they were facing a real threat, like some organized gang members.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Falka on April 04, 2014, 10:55:07 pm
The barrier is thin between protecting oneself and overreacting to the cost of someone else life.

Oh cmon, some homeless dude against 4 guys with guns and dog, sure, he was posing great danger for them  :rolleyes: I'm sure if these cops would play in crpg they'd be my old friendchers :P
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Leesin on April 04, 2014, 11:10:39 pm
Just like the Kelly Thomas case, unjustified murder that will also most likely end in little justice where the cops punishment is concerned, if any punishment at all. It seems like an unhealthy % of US cops have a hard on for bullying and even shooting people for little reason, land of the free right, lols.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Jarold on April 04, 2014, 11:29:23 pm
My sister was put in jail for a few days because of a DUI. As far as I know she was not shot and killed by a police officer so uuhhh how is this supposed to worry me as an American that 4 wackos killed a guy out of all the law enforcement agents we have? Every country has em right, and don't go off and say "yeh but murica haz way moar wackos" no it's because we're less strict so people can actually post or film these type of things without much back lash.

Yeah just another lol troll thread, not like it matters though this is the interwebz where we can act like we know how to handle political matters or ones pertaining to the law.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Kafein on April 04, 2014, 11:48:22 pm
Why are you under the impression that the law enforcement ALWAYS acts like this?  Have you ever been to the U.S?  You can't believe everything RT tells you.


I should say that I'm not trying to justify the actions made by these officers, just giving some background information that RT seems to have left out.

Even for the US, cases like this are extreme. Perhaps "always" wasn't the best wording. And yes you are absolutely right when you say RT will distort the truth as much as they can to show "American imperialist pigs". However even considering all the context, this use of lethal force is unjustified. We can point out the problems that occured here and I think that has been done already. But more importantly I think there's a more generalised problem with the attitude and culture of the law enforcement forces in the US. Acting as if the people they are supposed to "protect and serve" are enemies is not a good way to create goodwill and trust towards the authorities.

My sister was put in jail for a few days because of a DUI. As far as I know she was not shot and killed by a police officer so uuhhh how is this supposed to worry me as an American that 4 wackos killed a guy out of all the law enforcement agents we have? Every country has em right, and don't go off and say "yeh but murica haz way moar wackos" no it's because we're less strict so people can actually post or film these type of things without much back lash.

Yeah just another lol troll thread, not like it matters though this is the interwebz where we can act like we know how to handle political matters or ones pertaining to the law.

Your country has a real problem. In 2011, German police forces fired a total of 85 shots at people (including 49 warning shots). Yes that statistic is quite well known.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Butan on April 04, 2014, 11:57:59 pm
I'm sure if these cops would play in crpg they'd be my old friendchers :P

Actually a good comparison, if you're archer (gun) you should know by then that a melee (knife) can fuck your ass up if you get too close.

Your first reflex would be then: why dont they just fall back? He cant hit them with a knife from a distance (except if he's also a good thrower), just kite away then.
This is where the comparison with cRPG stops : police is called to resolve a case. They have the duty not to back off and leave the emotionaly disturbed person to wander around and potentially wound/kill himself or other persons. They have to get close and personal and take him into custody.

To this day we have invented no perfectly reliable tool to restrain someone that isnt complying from a distance, without getting dangerously close or wounding the suspect or both. There is some cool gadgets around that are definitely handy in some situations, but nothing comes close to lead.

Also, if the account of AntiBlitz and Artyem are rights (suspect has record of violence and the police confrontation was actually hours-long (video doesnt show the full background)), I believe they didnt pop the poor guy just because he was camping. Just by reading the title of the youtube video you can tell there is some proper misinformation going on, and its not only done by the police trying to cover their asses.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Leshma on April 05, 2014, 12:07:25 am
Good thrower... come on, dude's a fucking hobo. Those policemen in Miami had regular gear yet had no problem to put down that cannibal dude who was eating hobo's face...

This happened in New Mexico and I bet these clowns were given these rifles and wests to deal with members of drug cartel... not homeless old dudes.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Falka on April 05, 2014, 12:13:03 am
police is called to resolve a case. They have the duty not to back off and leave the emotionaly disturbed person to wander around and potentially wound/kill himself

Yup, better to shoot him down than let him kill himself :P

(suspect has record of violence and the police confrontation was actually hours-long (video doesnt show the full background)), I believe they didnt pop the poor guy just because he was camping.

Totally meaningless, he wasn't a threat for anyone, so there wass no need to use such unproportional means. POlice is allowed to use only as much force as it is necessary, no matter what's the history of this guy it's definitely not the case.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Lt_Anders on April 05, 2014, 12:17:51 am
Good thrower... come on, dude's a fucking hobo. Those policemen in Miami had regular gear yet had no problem to put down that cannibal dude who was eating hobo's face...

This happened in New Mexico and I bet these clowns were given these rifles and wests to deal with members of drug cartel... not homeless old dudes.

They did kill the cannibel dude then as well... with i think it was 5 shots before he actually went down.

After reading more, I must say, you EU's really do want to ignore facts to suit your view and belief in this situation.

Heh, they are trigger happy though:
Albuquerque officers have shot more people than the NYPD, a department serving a city 16-times larger, since 2010, according to ProgressNow.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/24/james-boyd-killed-by-cops_n_5021117.html
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Dezilagel on April 05, 2014, 12:41:26 am
Law Enforcement...

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But seriously, what the fuck-fuckedy-fuck-fuck?

They flashbanged  and then shot the guy ("armed" with two kitchen knives) with fucking assault rifles for "not complying" (walking around at a distance not being an immediate threat to anything). Then, while he's mortally wounded they sic the dog on him apparently just for lulz or something. "Get the knives out of his hands!" (before rigor mortis sets in...?) It's just sick.

For once I'm going to agree with Xant here. They have the tools, they know the guy. There's like six of them + a dog. Man the fuck up.

Also there's the usual case of people here seeing this as some kind of hit to their personal pride. (Why??)

It looks so bad, but it must not be that bad when its been okayed by the court, and hasnt really hit the news in the U.S(only a few small sites and things, one day of coverage was about it).

There is something seriously, SERIOUSLY wrong with this statement.

Distrust everyone, use guns for "protection", assume everyone is armed. Blindly trust the courts and the media, but for the love of god don't see what's right in front of you.

/rant
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Leshma on April 05, 2014, 12:51:13 am
After reading more, I must say, you EU's really do want to ignore facts to suit your view and belief in this situation.

You're fucked up dude, you know that. I nowhere said this is about USA, just said that policemen in question are idiots. And idiots don't live just in USA:

Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Butan on April 05, 2014, 12:52:44 am
Totally meaningless, he wasn't a threat for anyone, so there was no need to use such unproportional means.

Points taken, but hear those other points :
- not being a threat to anyone right now and ever is two different cases: A guy holding a knife here, can be holding a knife one hour later, somewhere else
- police record is here to provide background information on a person, if the guy you're trying to get a hold on is known for owning knives and not being shy about it, you use the information to protect yourself
- there is no capture of the hours long "interview" but if the police tried to make him comply for so long, I would say they didnt just go in guns blazing, they must have tried the peaceful course and failed
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Lt_Anders on April 05, 2014, 12:58:21 am
You're fucked up dude, you know that. I nowhere said this is about USA, just said that policemen in question are idiots. And idiots don't live just in USA:

And no where did I say anything about USA in my sentence. I just said you EU's are ignoring all facts to make this suit whatever you need.

Not one EU person in this thread has said anything except "STUPID COPS DIE," "AMERICA BAD," and other gross over exaggerations. I'm quite critical of cops, I do(did?) live in my state's "Murder Capital" and "Highest Police Shootings." Understanding the entire story is very important.

They, used 90% of their means of STOPPING this guy with non lethal means, and then shot him exhausting all other methods. Should they shoot him? No. But damn, the idiot was doing his hardest to NOT follow orders. Previous attacks on officers means he probably doesn't(didn't?) care to much to listen to what the hell they were saying.

Course, he could have been trying to do the old fashioned "death by cop" routine, but from what it seems, APD is way WAY to trigger happy and they need a severe fine and restriction.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Kafein on April 05, 2014, 01:09:00 am
Not one EU person in this thread has said anything except "STUPID COPS DIE," "AMERICA BAD," and other gross over exaggerations. I'm quite critical of cops, I do(did?) live in my state's "Murder Capital" and "Highest Police Shootings."

So... you are defending something you are "quite critical of", but we are not allowed to talk about it because we are smelly europeans ?

Next time we have football riots killing dozens I'll be sure to react the exact same way. Because how dare you criticize things that don't work properly in my country ?
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Logen on April 05, 2014, 01:16:22 am
Even the shoot was fucked up, the guy with the helmet cam should not have shot from that angle even if he was against a real bad guy.
Why? Was he too close to another officer or something?
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Lt_Anders on April 05, 2014, 01:21:09 am
So... you are defending something you are "quite critical of", but we are not allowed to talk about it because we are smelly europeans ?

Next time we have football riots killing dozens I'll be sure to react the exact same way. Because how dare you criticize things that don't work properly in my country ?

Have I defended it? Nope. Have I said EU's are making things suit what they want ignoring other facts? Yep.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Falka on April 05, 2014, 01:23:45 am
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For me it's really very clear; this poor hobo died, that means cops fucked up. I just don't buy it that the only way to disarm and incapacitate him was to shoot him to pieces. No matter how many knifes he had and how rich or long was his police record.

It looks so bad, but it must not be that bad when its been okayed by the court, and hasnt really hit the news in the U.S(only a few small sites and things, one day of coverage was about it).

That's even more scary cause it shows there's some kind of approval for such actions. When few years ago police in my country by mistake shot to death wrong guy (policemen were looking for some criminals, blocked the road, wrong guy didn't stop the car, they shot him down) it was top news in media for a few months and these policemen will end up in prison. You can read about it here: http://www.sn.pl/aktualnosci/SiteAssets/Lists/Komunikaty_o_sprawach/EditForm/V-KK-0099_12.pdf  :lol:
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Lt_Anders on April 05, 2014, 01:28:01 am

That's even more scary cause it shows there's some kind of approval for such actions. When few years ago police in my country by mistake shot to death wrong guy (policemen were looking for some criminals, blocked the road, wrong guy didn't stop the car, they shot him down) it was top news in media for a few months and these policemen will end up in prison. You can read about it here: http://www.sn.pl/aktualnosci/SiteAssets/Lists/Komunikaty_o_sprawach/EditForm/V-KK-0099_12.pdf  :lol: :lol:


That's even worse. I mean, how do you fucking run a road block? If you run a road block, of course I expect cops to act. Perhaps I should read the article beyond what you typed to make sure that I'm not wrong on this...

or not. Can't read...um ...moonspeak.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Falka on April 05, 2014, 01:51:50 am
NOt an article, it's a verdict of polish supreme court, the case is not finished, but court pointed out that all measures taken by police have to be minimized and without serious threat to human life or property deadly force can not be used if there're other options.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: AntiBlitz on April 05, 2014, 02:09:27 am
There is something seriously, SERIOUSLY wrong with this statement.
Distrust everyone, use guns for "protection", assume everyone is armed. Blindly trust the courts and the media, but for the love of god don't see what's right in front of you.

That's even more scary cause it shows there's some kind of approval for such actions.

its misinterpretation, or that i typed out something that could be read in a manor other then what im attempting to point out, i apologize. 

What im saying is that, this took on about two days if that of media coverage, hit a few blogs and ended its story.  While the recent Fort Hood shooting and previous shootings have lasted weeks.  Hows about the cops who shot the unarmed guy in the square and hit a bystander, that shit was on the news for atleast 2 weeks minimum.  Of course not all of those entailed law enforcement to the same level as this shooting, but they hit the media like wildfire, while this has fallen short and been relatively quite, and for the most part seems to have been justified(not my opinion, but rather one im making as a general statement).

im not stating im for or against what happened, i was just bringing other facts or rather knowledge to the thread for others to discuss, take it upon your own to do what you will with it.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Gmnotutoo on April 05, 2014, 02:23:58 am
I had a conversation about our gun laws with an Australian co-worker over Fort Hood and basically I told him this:

"Yeah we get a lot of these gun rampage incidents and those would be less frequent if we removed guns from civilian hands, but I wouldn't want our country to do that. Our entire country of 313.9 million people is saturated with fire-arms and if we were to be invaded by a foreign aggressor think of how well that would go. 313 million people is a lot and we probably have enough guns to give each person at least 5 different kinds. "

Edit: We also train our kids young with violent fps games to get them ready.
"Son, it is just like call of duty. Aim for the head, hold down the trigger, and scream FAAAAAAAAGGG as loud as you can."
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Lt_Anders on April 05, 2014, 02:40:38 am
NOt an article, it's a verdict of polish supreme court, the case is not finished, but court pointed out that all measures taken by police have to be minimized and without serious threat to human life or property deadly force can not be used if there're other options.

Ah, well, perhaps that may be ideal, but I disagree with that in circumstances like that. It's a ROAD BLOCK. you don't just say: "Oh I missed it."

Personally, I'm against the "Prison-Industrial Society" that things like the war on Drugs has caused, but that is a tangent.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Butan on April 05, 2014, 03:35:01 am
What seems poorly done is that everything after "go" was planned and duly prepared, so why didnt they shoot a couple non-lethal pellets first and see if it would do the trick? Its hard not to fall on your knees when you get hit point blank by one of these, which could have been enough to proceed with the cuffing. They had the right to shoot but that could have been avoided, especially since they did have a gadget ready for the case.

I believe we cannot judge without looking back on everything that happened before the shooting took place, since the assault cam guy turned on just when shit hit the fan.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Christo on April 05, 2014, 04:26:49 am
He was an apparent homeless man(more than likely mentally ill) brandishing knives at police officers. I think they acted in accordance. You don't pull out a weapon when you are approached by police officers.

Its sad if he was mentally ill and didn't know better. But hey, in they end they made a judgement call.

So an old man hanging into some knife who is absolutely weak and could be easily disarmed or stunned whatever, instead he got flashbanged, attacked by a trained dog, shot, when on the ground, shot some more, then stepped on and later claimed dead.

All this done by three much younger people in serious gear that should be used against people who are a serious threat.

The fuck is wrong with you? "Judgement call?" My ass!
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 05, 2014, 05:40:59 am
He was an apparent homeless man(more than likely mentally ill) brandishing knives at police officers. I think they acted in accordance. You don't pull out a weapon when you are approached by police officers.

Its sad if he was mentally ill and didn't know better. But hey, in they end they made a judgement call.
Yeah, if you don't comply with the law enforcement, it's OK to just kill you.

Gestapo approves.

How about this, fire these pussies, give me their pay, and I promise I'll handle situations like that without firearms and without killing.


Why? Was he too close to another officer or something?

Yes, he was behind one of the officers.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 05, 2014, 06:16:26 am
In this case, complying meant putting down a weapon.

Are you allowed to just resist an arrest or something in Europe?
He was putting his shit down when they threw a flashbang and closed in.

And no, you're not. But you're not shot for trying to walk away from the cops....
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Life on April 05, 2014, 07:09:17 am
hey, from that video the nigga had knives, which could be thrown, boomerang around, slicing the heads off of all 5 officers and their dog in one attack.

completely justified, this man was obviously an ex-assassin / ninja and had mastered the ways of throwing knives.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 05, 2014, 08:38:06 am
Yes, and the whole turning around to go away thing was a trick, he was just gathering momentum for his boomerang throw.

Watching the video again, it's hilarious how those cowards are scared stiff even after shooting him six times.  :lol:

"Oh no, better not get within 15 meters of him even though we've got assault rifles at high ready trained on him"
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: bilwit on April 05, 2014, 09:12:18 am
He was an apparent homeless man(more than likely mentally ill) brandishing knives at police officers. I think they acted in accordance. You don't pull out a weapon when you are approached by police officers.

Watch the video. He already agreed to come down. Their K9+officer was only 8 feet away from him before they set off the flash grenade. It's only because they set off the grenade did he freak out and pull a knife. In any case, he turns and runs in the other direction before they gun him down with assault rifles. Fuck all cops.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Paul on April 05, 2014, 09:52:03 am
Without making any judgement myself here it seems that there is a big difference in mentalities between EU and NA. Many Americans are still stuck in the wild west "hang-the-horse-thief" mindset and are even proud of that. A criminal forfeits his life once he breaks the law - no matter the circumstances. A naked knife-wielding schizophreniac yelling on the street is gunned down there. In Germany they'd send in a maille-clad police thug armed with a baton to do the job. Proportionality has a higher importance over here. Also paper work for fired rounds is a bitch and a good beating once in a while is fun when not on the receiving end.

NAs are natural born ranged f4gs
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Jeade on April 05, 2014, 11:21:39 am
I won't argue whether or not the use of lethal ammunition was justified, but this was a suspect with a long history of violence towards police.
This ordeal had been going on for awhile when Boyd outright refused to cooperate by picking up his things and starting to turn.
He was then flashed, hit with beanbags (reportedly) and shot with a taser (reportedly).
To be totally fair, the officers were off camera when the flashbang hit, so who knows if they fired or not.
The only reason Boyd was shot was because he pulled two knives on the K9 officer who was unarmed and working with the dog.
Boyd was reportedly within eight feet of the K9 officer when deadly force was used by the APD officer wearing the helmet cam.
Eight feet is damn close. One step and a good stab would place a knife in the chest of the K9 officer... To be fair.

Perhaps it wasn't handled as well as it could have been. Perhaps the officer who used lethal force acted too quickly.
What's unfortunate is that this could happen to any well-meaning officer.
It's important to remember that the K9 officer could have also ended up dead too. We just don't know.
That's not to say we should excuse the officer in question of this shooting, but it is something to strongly consider.
We don't know what the intentions were of either the two men.

If anything, it's a cry for a better healthcare system in the US- one that can help the poor or homeless who are mentally ill.
These people often suffer the most from mental illness and any humanitarian society should be concerned for their well-being.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Christo on April 05, 2014, 11:23:35 am
It's a nice sign about them though.

If this is how they handle an old homeless man with a mental illness.. how do they handle a criminal or somebody speeding or doing something more extreme? Explosives?

Anyway those 'policemen' need to step the hell down, especially after I've read more about how trigger-happy this department is.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 05, 2014, 11:46:10 am
I won't argue whether or not the use of lethal ammunition was justified, but this was a suspect with a long history of violence towards police.
This ordeal had been going on for awhile when Boyd outright refused to cooperate by picking up his things and starting to turn.
He was then flashed, hit with beanbags (reportedly) and shot with a taser (reportedly).
To be totally fair, the officers were off camera when the flashbang hit, so who knows if they fired or not.
The only reason Boyd was shot was because he pulled two knives on the K9 officer who was unarmed and working with the dog.
Boyd was reportedly within eight feet of the K9 officer when deadly force was used by the APD officer wearing the helmet cam.
Eight feet is damn close. One step and a good stab would place a knife in the chest of the K9 officer... To be fair.

Perhaps it wasn't handled as well as it could have been. Perhaps the officer who used lethal force acted too quickly.
What's unfortunate is that this could happen to any well-meaning officer.
It's important to remember that the K9 officer could have also ended up dead too. We just don't know.
That's not to say we should excuse the officer in question of this shooting, but it is something to strongly consider.
We don't know what the intentions were of either the two men.

If anything, it's a cry for a better healthcare system in the US- one that can help the poor or homeless who are mentally ill.
These people often suffer the most from mental illness and any humanitarian society should be concerned for their well-being.
Did you watch the video...? It's like some people in this thread rather believe some written word over seeing with their own eyes.

Why do you need to read about how far the K9 officer was from him? You can see it on the video. And they used bean bags after he was shot with lethal rounds, as is shown... on the video.

They shot him when he turned away. Very threatening.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Molly on April 05, 2014, 01:00:59 pm
I am still baffled that supposedly trained officers can't handle a guy with tiny knives. Granted, it might not have been visually obvious to them how big those knives were but god damn it, those were professionals! Several of them! With a fucking dog! Versus a single fat man!

Who could they NOT resolve this w/o killing the guy?
Honestly, this happening in Germany and the officers involved would easily do time in prison for manslaughter.

Get a damn riot shield, a stab vest, a helmet, those lead-filled gloves and a baton and beat the shit out of him but shooting him? Just lol.
I had to deal with way more threatening situations when I used to work the door. Maybe less time on the shooting range and more training in hand2hand combat might have helped. Otherwise, I can't stop thinking that you're living in a freaking war zone over there.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: wayyyyyne on April 05, 2014, 01:12:45 pm
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Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: [ptx] on April 05, 2014, 01:21:20 pm
Lacks ":DDDDD"
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Jeade on April 05, 2014, 01:34:52 pm
Why do you need to read about how far the K9 officer was from him? You can see it on the video. And they used bean bags after he was shot with lethal rounds, as is shown... on the video.

Because the distance between the two is a crucial legal factor.

We all watched the video, but the point is, the moment when the LTL shots were supposedly fired, the officers handling those weapons were off camera, so we can't say for sure if it happened or not.
I do believe at 0:54 in the video (http://up.anv.bz/latest/anvload.html?key=eyJtIjoiTElOIiwicCI6ImRlZmF1bHQiLCJ2IjoiMjQzNjcxIn0=) you can hear the LTL shotgun cycle once (that's the taser).

My understanding and best guess is that the flash and taser failed to have any effect on Boyd, so the K9 officer attempted to pull back his dog.
This put him in very close range of Boyd, who then pulled the two knives on the unarmed K9 officer kneeling on the ground.
There was hesitation from the officer immediately next to the K9 officer who fired first and he was followed with shots by the officer wearing the camera.
That's my best educated guess, however shitty the APD has been in recent years.

I can't stop thinking that you're living in a freaking war zone over there.

heh. Nah, it's pretty relaxed here.
From experience, most police officers are good guys who just want to help the community.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Utrakil on April 05, 2014, 02:45:14 pm
Little reminder to the germans ( Paul, Molly) which think this would not happen in their contry:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x11csir_vollig-unverhaltnismabiger-einsatz-der-berliner-polizei-am-28-juni-2013-am-berliner-neptunbrunnen_news

the guy died and charges on the officer were dropped (selfdefence).https://www.berlin.de/aktuelles/berlin/3167542-958092-tod-im-neptunbrunnen-ermittlungen-gegen-.html
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Butan on April 05, 2014, 02:54:45 pm
It's only because they set off the grenade did he freak out and pull a knife.

So, if I'm "attacked" by cops I have the right to pull a weapon and kill them? Fuck logic. Or was he only trying to intimidate the cops? Once again, fuck logic.
You dont intimidate nor threaten armed police and think you can walk away with it. You're only going to get severely injured or killed if you do that.

"But he was weak old man who wanted to do no harm", pls. You dont need to be a master assassin in his prime to kill someone with a knife. If the cops werent wearing full chainmail over anti-stab vest/leggings and bulletproof mask, they were very much "in danger" even if they were 5 young guys against 1 old man. Or do you think it would have been "okay" if only one of the cops got killed body slamming the dude? This isnt a war, nor the WWE, there is no acceptable loss of good guys, those assault men are supposed to protect their own life at all cost, deemed the scenario allow them to use live ammo.

I dont know if you once tried to put a man down and restrain him, but if he hasnt been neutralized before, there is a high chance you're at least going to get an elbow to the face, and at worse a knife in the ribs, even if you pile up the 5 guys on him in quick succession.


Maybe they should have waited a tiny more for peaceful compliance (he accepted to leave, but to where? I remind you, they were here to arrest him at this point, not to make him stop camping), but I dont think 10 more seconds would have done the trick if they were negotiating with him for hours and the problem was still there.

Ok, it looks bad on the paper, but you gotta be more critical and not just stop at "he had knives, they had guns, it was unfair!" :rolleyes:  even if the guy only had a box-cutter in his hand, and was threatening people with it, and was unstoppable by anything else than lethal force, I wouldnt mind if they used a tactical nuke launched from space. Police isnt here to provide a "challenge" to dangerous persons.



Similar stuff going on in EU, it is managed differently, we are just less prone to use firearms and more to let guys flee the scene, which isnt a superior way of doing things IMO. Maybe there is a middle point to reach between US/EU modus operandi. Basically sending the most appropriate units against the proportionally equipped suspects; because its obvious that the homeless dude was fairly overwhelmed by both numbers and gear: it doesnt help when the public see this... But then, if you send police to a scene where they dont have the tools to protect themselves, they die. Sometimes its better to send the GIGN against a poor dude, than send the city police, if you dont know whats up.



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Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Leshma on April 05, 2014, 03:41:01 pm
No matter how hard you try to justify it, situation shown in video remind me of this (also mentally ill person got killed by retards):


If policeman can't take down the knife hobo alone without guns, then he's not worthy of his call or in other words incompetent. Maybe policemen watched Hobo with a shotgun shortly before this incident started...

Also if he was a known threat to society why he isn't behind bars or at least in mental institution? Something in not right in Albuquerque.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Teeth on April 05, 2014, 03:48:48 pm
Our entire country of 313.9 million people is saturated with fire-arms and if we were to be invaded by a foreign aggressor think of how well that would go.
This is just hilarious.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Butan on April 05, 2014, 03:53:02 pm
Watched that video before, dont worry I'm not going to say something in this was justified at all. I wish the black attacker and the white master to get shot to death camping illegally wielding plastic knives in their hands.

The difference between the two, is obviously that the "mentally ill with a police record dude" is in a case armed, in the other, unarmed. Also challenging a martial artist to a friendly duel is entirely different than challenging armed police.

If you had switched the two dudes (armed guy in the dojo, unarmed guy camping) I would agree that shooting the unarmed camping dude would be nuts.
And if the old homeless guy had intruded in a dojo with a knife in each hand threatening to kill everyone, I wouldnt mind if a civilian had stomped his head to death (still to be put in probation seeing the apparent maniacal bloodlust and lack of self restraint).


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Also if he was a known threat to society why he isn't behind bars or at least in mental institution? Something in not right in Albuquerque.

Putting mentally disturbed person behind bars or mental institution without proper legal route would be unjustified. Yes, if he had been put behind bars or in a mental institution, instead of dying stupidly, it would have been better, but the reality is different.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Kafein on April 05, 2014, 03:57:51 pm
This is just hilarious.

I chose to ignore it. But really...
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Havoco on April 05, 2014, 04:35:15 pm
This forum is getting boring. Where's panos ffs?
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 05, 2014, 04:40:52 pm
I am still baffled that supposedly trained officers can't handle a guy with tiny knives. Granted, it might not have been visually obvious to them how big those knives were but god damn it, those were professionals! Several of them! With a fucking dog! Versus a single fat man!
The worst part of this absurdity is that these people were the fucking SWAT team. They're the supposed bad asses who the normal cops call when they can't handle shit. A little girl would do their job better. Not only are they cowards, they are incompetent cowards, as is evident from the helmet-camera guy firing and their subsequent shouting and setting-the-dog-on-the-guy etc etc.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Tovi on April 05, 2014, 09:55:54 pm
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Prpavi on April 05, 2014, 11:02:37 pm
How ever NA members of the community try to justify this, the gun culture in America today is just terrifying and worrying.

Whats even worse I find it disturbing people still try to defend it and defend their "right to protect themselves" with firearms.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Jona on April 06, 2014, 02:31:26 am
Do I at all approve of what the cops did here? Hell no.

Do I think they should lose their jobs, be investigated, have charges pressed, etc? Yes.

Do I think you are all judging them slightly too harshly? Yes.

You have to realize, no matter how much training someone goes through, and no matter what nationality someone is, all people have the same fundamental instincts: staying alive being the top priority. Also, most people (hopefully all of you reading this) would argue that protecting those you care about should be right up there with it. In this situation, the K9 unit was close to a "dangerous" (due to his previous history) person, and his squadmates felt obliged to cover him. They approached the entire situation poorly, and did many things wrong, in my opinion, but that doesn't change the fact that when you are put out in these kind of tense situations, where your target could have a butter knife, a real knife, a pistol, hell, maybe even a fully automatic assault weapon in his bag (however unlikely that may be) you are going to assume the worst. You want to be prepared for the worst, and cops/military to are trained to do so. Heck, it is simply common sense to do so.

Do I think that the cops should have flash banged and sent a dog at this guy? No. But I will stand by their decision to act in a manner of self defense after the guy disobeyed orders and drew knives on them. They had a co-worker, a friend, within striking distance of a presumably mentally ill guy armed with knives. Just because the cops had 3 guns v 1 guy with knives doesn't simply mean they are guaranteed to be safe. They guy (especially if mentally unstable) could very well lunge at one of them and severely injure him before being gunned down. A lot of you feel that 'the odds were against the guy, he didn't stand a chance and couldn't harm any of them.' And well, that's simply bullshit. All it takes is fists to injure someone. And this guy had two knives. Would a sane man charge 3 cops armed with fucking assault rifles with only knives? No. But from what we know, this guy most likely wasn't entirely sane. And don't go saying he only had butter knives... how could you tell? When the camera got up real close and gave you a good look at them? Even then I wouldn't pass them off as butter knives... you can't tell how sharp a knife is until you have handled it. Sure when up close you can get a general idea, but from over 3 meters away? Hell no. A knife is a knife, its a weapon.

Basically, screw these cops, they are trigger-happy assholes, but still, in the end their ultimate decision was one based on instinct, and I would support them in that. However I would first prosecute them for the 1000 other utterly disgusting and dumbass shit they pulled beforehand, which ultimately led to the final decision.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Makatozi MB on April 06, 2014, 03:50:25 am
Having seen and treated the aftermath of someone trying to disarm an individual with a knife there no way I would even attempt to do it. There is just too much that can go wrong. Would I have shot? Probably not but I'm not trained as LE and I wasn't there.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Kalam on April 06, 2014, 04:19:58 am
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/09/us/teenagers-death-a-reminder-of-gun-replicas-dangers.html?pagewanted=all (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/09/us/teenagers-death-a-reminder-of-gun-replicas-dangers.html?pagewanted=all)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/10/us-usa-explosion-florida-idUSBREA0912520140110 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/10/us-usa-explosion-florida-idUSBREA0912520140110)
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Makatozi MB on April 06, 2014, 04:53:16 am
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/09/us/teenagers-death-a-reminder-of-gun-replicas-dangers.html?pagewanted=all

another awesome example of why you should probably listen to the cops telling you to drop it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/09/us/teenagers-death-a-reminder-of-gun-replicas-dangers.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

not sure wtf was going on there.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Tore on April 06, 2014, 04:55:57 am
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Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 06, 2014, 09:45:28 am
Do I at all approve of what the cops did here? Hell no.

Do I think they should lose their jobs, be investigated, have charges pressed, etc? Yes.

Do I think you are all judging them slightly too harshly? Yes.

You have to realize, no matter how much training someone goes through, and no matter what nationality someone is, all people have the same fundamental instincts: staying alive being the top priority. Also, most people (hopefully all of you reading this) would argue that protecting those you care about should be right up there with it. In this situation, the K9 unit was close to a "dangerous" (due to his previous history) person, and his squadmates felt obliged to cover him. They approached the entire situation poorly, and did many things wrong, in my opinion, but that doesn't change the fact that when you are put out in these kind of tense situations, where your target could have a butter knife, a real knife, a pistol, hell, maybe even a fully automatic assault weapon in his bag (however unlikely that may be) you are going to assume the worst. You want to be prepared for the worst, and cops/military to are trained to do so. Heck, it is simply common sense to do so.

Do I think that the cops should have flash banged and sent a dog at this guy? No. But I will stand by their decision to act in a manner of self defense after the guy disobeyed orders and drew knives on them. They had a co-worker, a friend, within striking distance of a presumably mentally ill guy armed with knives. Just because the cops had 3 guns v 1 guy with knives doesn't simply mean they are guaranteed to be safe. They guy (especially if mentally unstable) could very well lunge at one of them and severely injure him before being gunned down. A lot of you feel that 'the odds were against the guy, he didn't stand a chance and couldn't harm any of them.' And well, that's simply bullshit. All it takes is fists to injure someone. And this guy had two knives. Would a sane man charge 3 cops armed with fucking assault rifles with only knives? No. But from what we know, this guy most likely wasn't entirely sane. And don't go saying he only had butter knives... how could you tell? When the camera got up real close and gave you a good look at them? Even then I wouldn't pass them off as butter knives... you can't tell how sharp a knife is until you have handled it. Sure when up close you can get a general idea, but from over 3 meters away? Hell no. A knife is a knife, its a weapon.

Basically, screw these cops, they are trigger-happy assholes, but still, in the end their ultimate decision was one based on instinct, and I would support them in that. However I would first prosecute them for the 1000 other utterly disgusting and dumbass shit they pulled beforehand, which ultimately led to the final decision.

The "co-worker was in danger" is such bullshit, though. That's like sending in civilians to a hostage situation so you can then raid the building because "the civilians were in danger." The only reason anyone was in danger was because they went and put themselves in danger. How you deal with knife situations properly, the LE way, is to have lethal cover and then use your LTL ammo/OC/tazer. The guy they were dealing with was clearly not the most dexterous. And why were they all positioned downhill from him?

"Disobeying orders" is no reason whatsoever for cops to shoot. Not until you live in a police state.

And let's not forget that they weren't in any actual danger. If he had moved towards them? Sure. But he was moving away.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Jona on April 06, 2014, 10:29:50 am
And let's not forget that they weren't in any actual danger. If he had moved towards them? Sure. But he was moving away.

"They weren't in any danger." Yeah, okay. Next time you see a guy pull out two knives right next to you, lets see you just nonchalantly walk on past, not giving it a second thought. The time it takes someone to close the gap between you two is less than a second. Now, was the guy moving towards them during the video? No. Could he, at any moment, have decided to charge? Yes. Hence, they were in danger once he brought out his knives. I already said, all the shit they pulled before that moment is pretty retarded, but the fact is, they were in danger once he pulled out weapons on them, well within lunging range.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 06, 2014, 10:45:10 am
"They weren't in any danger." Yeah, okay. Next time you see a guy pull out two knives right next to you, lets see you just nonchalantly walk on past, not giving it a second thought. The time it takes someone to close the gap between you two is less than a second. Now, was the guy moving towards them during the video? No. Could he, at any moment, have decided to charge? Yes. Hence, they were in danger once he brought out his knives. I already said, all the shit they pulled before that moment is pretty retarded, but the fact is, they were in danger once he pulled out weapons on them, well within lunging range.
Yep, why would I not be nonchalant if someone pulls out two knives and walks in the opposite direction? I might follow him if I thought he was going to attack someone randomly, but I certainly wouldn't shoot him in the back for being a threat to me. It'd have taken that guy far more than a second to close the distance between himself and the cops. The terrain was uneven and the knife dude was fat and clearly not in good control of his body.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Prpavi on April 06, 2014, 12:13:18 pm
Yes, lets just get rid of everything in the Bill of Rights, it all sucks anyway.

you mean this: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

sounds to me like wild west law if anything, maybe the Bill of Rights could use some touching up after 150 years

reading further, the law seems to derive from English Bill of Rights of 1689 (!) which states: "That the Subjects which are Protestants may have Arms for their Defence suitable to their Conditions and as allowed by Law."

looks like religion shows it's ugly head again in the most unexpected place  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 06, 2014, 12:19:11 pm
The English Bill of Rights is very different. Keywords being "protestants" and "as allowed by Law."

In the U.S one it flat out says "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Of course, it is being infringed in most states even in America.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Butan on April 06, 2014, 12:47:01 pm
I thought you were a brutally efficient logic machine xant, I am le disapoint  :P
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: SixThumbs on April 06, 2014, 02:46:37 pm
What if they were dealing with this!?

Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Butan on April 06, 2014, 03:43:08 pm
American ninja: the last chapter.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 06, 2014, 03:51:11 pm
I thought you were a brutally efficient logic machine xant, I am le disapoint  :P
Show me where my logic has failed.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Prpavi on April 07, 2014, 08:47:18 am
I completely agree, only dumb cowboy rednecks wouldn't want all the guns in the hands of criminals and the government.

Yes because they are all after your head and it's completely necesarry for every human being on earth to carry a gun.

Cuz self-preservation yo!
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 07, 2014, 09:16:36 am
Well, it is pretty telling that pretty much all the mass shooting in U.S have happened in so-called Gun Free Zones...
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Christo on April 07, 2014, 09:27:30 am
Well, it is pretty telling that pretty much all the mass shooting in U.S have happened in so-called Gun Free Zones...

Poor muricans must have thought it means that you can freely use guns in there.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Kafein on April 07, 2014, 09:28:34 am
Well, it is pretty telling that pretty much all the mass shooting in U.S have happened in so-called Gun Free Zones...

There's a difference between happening in a gun free zone and happening because it's a gun free zone. Shootings usually happen in areas with lots of people, which incidentally happen to frequently be gun free zones. Besides, two guys with guns in a crowd is probably worse than one guy with guns in a crowd, or in a school.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 07, 2014, 09:43:35 am
There are lots of places with a lot of people that aren't Gun Free Zones.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Molly on April 07, 2014, 09:57:43 am
Making a connection between the harvest yield of apples in South America and the global oil price per barrel might be possible too when looking at the graphs, that doesn't mean they are actually connected to each other.
What was this verse you always pull out in this situations, Xant. Something about cats being animals but not every animal is a cat?

A popular place with a crowd becomes a gun free zone because it's crowded, I guess. Seems unlikely that they say "Here is a gun free zone now!" and everyone goes there to chill.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 07, 2014, 10:11:23 am
Yes, and they're unable to do anything about a shooter because they don't have guns...
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Molly on April 07, 2014, 10:18:12 am
That is hardly something that can be proved or disproved.

I can easily imagine several situations where more guns would do more harm then good in a mass panic shootout scenario.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 07, 2014, 10:20:32 am
I'm sure you can imagine them, can you provide any instances where that has been the case? Because people carrying have successfully stopped shooters in the past.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Molly on April 07, 2014, 10:24:12 am
I can not provide any sources or links but I do remember 1 or 2 times where others provided such information on instances where bystanders were shot by the "good" guys.
Probably in one of the many "US weapon laws suck"-threads we have around here :D
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Christo on April 07, 2014, 10:42:01 am
..Probably in one of the many "US weapon laws suck"-threads we have around here :D

http://forum.melee.org/general-off-topic/guns-guns-and-more-guns-hosted-by-inbred-redneck-antiblitz-ameritrash/msg873826/#msg873826 (http://forum.melee.org/general-off-topic/guns-guns-and-more-guns-hosted-by-inbred-redneck-antiblitz-ameritrash/msg873826/#msg873826)

Good times
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Prpavi on April 07, 2014, 10:46:44 am
Well, it is pretty telling that pretty much all the mass shooting in U.S have happened in so-called Gun Free Zones...

It's sad you MUST have armed officers on the streets but yes I guess in US (and other parts of the world) you do. But that's another topic altoghether

The problem are the officers themselves and recruitment policy, imo it needs to be way more strict than it currently is not in US only but everywhere especially in my corrupt little country where police officers are mostly scum and are not here to serve and protect but to opress and  take advantage the badge provides (ease of getting and dealing drugs, prostitution, extortion) not to mention they are not respected a bit in the community. Never had a cop help me, probably never will...
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Jeade on April 07, 2014, 12:01:11 pm
two guys with guns in a crowd is probably worse than one guy with guns in a crowd, or in a school.

Thank god someone else understands this.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 07, 2014, 01:07:50 pm
It's sad you MUST have armed officers on the streets but yes I guess in US (and other parts of the world) you do. But that's another topic altoghether

The problem are the officers themselves and recruitment policy, imo it needs to be way more strict than it currently is not in US only but everywhere especially in my corrupt little country where police officers are mostly scum and are not here to serve and protect but to opress and  take advantage the badge provides (ease of getting and dealing drugs, prostitution, extortion) not to mention they are not respected a bit in the community. Never had a cop help me, probably never will...
Yup, I think a 50% or so reduction in police officers with stricter standards and better pay would be good.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on April 07, 2014, 04:15:44 pm
Without making any judgement myself here it seems that there is a big difference in mentalities between EU and NA. Many Americans are still stuck in the wild west "hang-the-horse-thief" mindset and are even proud of that. A criminal forfeits his life once he breaks the law - no matter the circumstances. A naked knife-wielding schizophreniac yelling on the street is gunned down there. In Germany they'd send in a maille-clad police thug armed with a baton to do the job. Proportionality has a higher importance over here. Also paper work for fired rounds is a bitch and a good beating once in a while is fun when not on the receiving end.

NAs are natural born ranged f4gs

Most American citizens do not have that mentality.  Even the conservative minded folks mostly don't believe you should be killed for not complying with police officers.  It's the police officer's who have that mentality you're describing.  A lot of the stereotypes about police officers are true.  Usually one of the following is true for police officers:  They were bullied as kids, they were really terrible when it came to sports, they have a small penis, they had an abusive father.  And a good portion of them are ex-military and have some severe mental problems after serving tours of duty in war zones (basically acting as law enforcement in hostile cities and villages).  People in positions of power are there because they seek that power and control over others.  We're only starting to see more and more of these incidents with the digital age of cameras on everyone's phones.  The police are tasked with investigating their own when incidents like this happen, and they unsurprisingly side with the police officers most of the time.  Other police officers are unwilling to call out their fellow officers when they see them doing something morally (or legally) wrong as well, and that only adds to the "us vs them" dichotomy that both the police officers and citizens feel towards each other.

It is ridiculous in this instance that they gunned down someone who was turning to run away from them.  That is unacceptable.  However it is also unacceptable to wave around a weapon near police, and not follow their commands.  You are quite literally risking your life if you do that.  I don't expect the police officers to put their lives on the line trying to apprehend an unstable person with a knife who has had multiple chances to comply with their commands.  But there are better ways to disarm the suspect without going trigger happy and saying "BOOYAH" when you shoot a guy in the back in cold blood. 

Every kid in America is taught you obey the police officers, and never brandish a weapon (or even a look-alike) weapon in front of a cop, or you could very well get shot.  I don't expect a police officer to try and determine if the gun you are holding is real or fake, if you raise it up they are going to defend themselves.  It's not the movies, people don't hold guns pointed at each other and scream "Drop it", if you raise a weapon towards a police officer, they will take action to make sure they go home to their kids at the end of the day. 

It's sad you MUST have armed officers on the streets but yes I guess in US (and other parts of the world) you do. But that's another topic altoghether

The problem are the officers themselves and recruitment policy, imo it needs to be way more strict than it currently is not in US only but everywhere especially in my corrupt little country where police officers are mostly scum and are not here to serve and protect but to opress and  take advantage the badge provides (ease of getting and dealing drugs, prostitution, extortion) not to mention they are not respected a bit in the community. Never had a cop help me, probably never will...

This post reminded, me I forgot to mention if you score too high on the IQ test, you will fail the police recruitment exam.  They don't want people who are able to make informed and moral decisions.  They want blind obedient drones who will follow orders without asking questions or rocking the boat.  Add this to the previous statements I made about people who seek positions of authority (i.e. law enforcement) and the relatively low pay that they make, and it's really no surprise our law enforcement officers are a lot of the time, scraping the bottom of the talent pool/humanity barrel. 

Our law enforcement officers in this country are not tasked with going out and protecting the public and serving the public.  They are tasked with generating revenue for the cities and states they work for (by catching people speeding and hoping to find drugs or drunk drivers or warrants).  They are also tasked with responding to calls for assistance from the public and fellow officers.  They are a reactionary force used to generate revenue and to investigate crimes after they happen.  Our whole usage of police officers is wrong in this country.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Jona on April 07, 2014, 06:42:27 pm
This post reminded, me I forgot to mention if you score too high on the IQ test, you will fail the police recruitment exam.  They don't want people who are able to make informed and moral decisions.  They want blind obedient drones who will follow orders without asking questions or rocking the boat.  Add this to the previous statements I made about people who seek positions of authority (i.e. law enforcement) and the relatively low pay that they make, and it's really no surprise our law enforcement officers are a lot of the time, scraping the bottom of the talent pool/humanity barrel. 

The part in bold is actually not at all that true. Police officers (rightly so, in my opinion at least) get great benefits. Say what you want about them, fact is they DO put their lives on the line mostly every day (depending on their exact job, location, etc. No small town traffic cop should get the same benefits as a swat guy from NYC.  Perhaps they don't, but they probably would get comparable benefits if they are in the same area). Not only do they get great benefits while working, they get them for life... these guys are typically treated like war veterans half the time.

When I was briefly in RI I learned two things really fast: 1) The state is corrupt as shit and 2) there are infinite numbers of police officers on every single block. I'll skip over the first part since it isn't entirely relevant to this conversation, but the reason for there being so many cops is that in RI when you retire as a cop you continue to make 90-95% of your salary. That's right, you might have a pitiful income while you work... but then you still make that pitiful income all while sipping pina coladas on the beach, without a care in the world. Since the coppers of RI get such a great deal, everyone wants to be a cop, and for some reason pretty much everyone (uneducated, mindless drones included) actually get accepted to be cops. If cops actually had shit wages and shit benefits, then perhaps only the men who are actually dedicated to protecting their town would be wearing the badge, but unfortunately it is not so, and any guy who flunked out of college can decide to be a cop nowadays.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Rumblood on April 07, 2014, 10:10:33 pm
Fire burns. Don't fuck with it. And don't complain when your dick is burned off because you whipped it out to piss on the fire. Responsibility for this incident falls on both parties.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: SugarHoe on April 07, 2014, 10:52:57 pm
The part in bold is actually not at all that true. Police officers (rightly so, in my opinion at least) get great benefits. Say what you want about them, fact is they DO put their lives on the line mostly every day (depending on their exact job, location, etc. No small town traffic cop should get the same benefits as a swat guy from NYC.  Perhaps they don't, but they probably would get comparable benefits if they are in the same area). Not only do they get great benefits while working, they get them for life... these guys are typically treated like war veterans half the time.

When I was briefly in RI I learned two things really fast: 1) The state is corrupt as shit and 2) there are infinite numbers of police officers on every single block. I'll skip over the first part since it isn't entirely relevant to this conversation, but the reason for there being so many cops is that in RI when you retire as a cop you continue to make 90-95% of your salary. That's right, you might have a pitiful income while you work... but then you still make that pitiful income all while sipping pina coladas on the beach, without a care in the world. Since the coppers of RI get such a great deal, everyone wants to be a cop, and for some reason pretty much everyone (uneducated, mindless drones included) actually get accepted to be cops. If cops actually had shit wages and shit benefits, then perhaps only the men who are actually dedicated to protecting their town would be wearing the badge, but unfortunately it is not so, and any guy who flunked out of college can decide to be a cop nowadays.
don talk bout my roh dyelan like this
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Kafein on April 07, 2014, 11:22:47 pm
Fire burns. Don't fuck with it. And don't complain when your dick is burned off because you whipped it out to piss on the fire. Responsibility for this incident falls on both parties.

Well, duh... I assume that by that you mean that the cops here showed as much intelligence as the guy holding the knives ?
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Paul on April 08, 2014, 07:24:17 am
Many Americans are still stuck in the wild west "hang-the-horse-thief" mindset and are even proud of that. A criminal forfeits his life once he breaks the law - no matter the circumstances.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 08, 2014, 09:16:11 am
That guy was mentally ill. Obviously he acted stupid as fuck. Doesn't mean he should be killed for it...
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Teeth on April 08, 2014, 11:24:05 am
Fire burns. Don't fuck with it. And don't complain when your dick is burned off because you whipped it out to piss on the fire. Responsibility for this incident falls on both parties.
Most American citizens do not have that mentality.
I disagree, everytime there is a thread about police violence there are usually a few Americans displaying exactly that mentality, including this thread, Rumblood's response for example. This mentality still seems very present throughout American society. It's a mentality that I and many Europeans with me have trouble understanding, violence should always heed proportionality and human life should be valued higher than property.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Prpavi on April 08, 2014, 01:06:17 pm
Well a few posters on this forum don't represent the whole US community, I don't live there, neither have I been to the states but yes I do get the same feeling as Teeth :/
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Jeade on April 08, 2014, 01:47:18 pm
That guy was mentally ill. Obviously he acted stupid as fuck. Doesn't mean he should be killed for it...

You're not suggesting what I think you're suggesting... are you?
No one in this thread wanted to see the guy shot, and no American police officer or citizen would think differently.                                                                    unless they're a psychopath and I assure you there's very, very, very, very few of them
Unfortunately, when you threaten someone's life, you put that person in a tough situation where the blink of an eye could be the end of you.
It's sad, but welcome to reality; mental illness isn't an excuse in this case.

That's what I think is so fucking awful about this situation- the guy wasn't thinking clearly, and he put the police in a super tough spot.
I'll basically quote myself and say again that this video should be a cry for an improved healthcare system in the US.
Maybe with help Boyd could have avoided this fiasco and lived on.

Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: djavo on April 08, 2014, 02:11:34 pm
I understand US law enforcers. There is so much idiots with license for firearms. Shoot first, ask questions later.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 08, 2014, 02:57:47 pm
You're not suggesting what I think you're suggesting... are you?
No one in this thread wanted to see the guy shot, and no American police officer or citizen would think differently.                                                                    unless they're a psychopath and I assure you there's very, very, very, very few of them
Unfortunately, when you threaten someone's life, you put that person in a tough situation where the blink of an eye could be the end of you.
It's sad, but welcome to reality; mental illness isn't an excuse in this case.

That's what I think is so fucking awful about this situation- the guy wasn't thinking clearly, and he put the police in a super tough spot.
I'll basically quote myself and say again that this video should be a cry for an improved healthcare system in the US.
Maybe with help Boyd could have avoided this fiasco and lived on.
"Super tough spot." That situation might have been super tough for a couple of grade school girls, but police officers equipped like that? Nope.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Christo on April 08, 2014, 03:01:41 pm
mental illness isn't an excuse in this case.

Yes, it is
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: SixThumbs on April 08, 2014, 03:09:15 pm
I disagree, everytime there is a thread about police violence there are usually a few Americans displaying exactly that mentality, including this thread, Rumblood's response for example. This mentality still seems very present throughout American society. It's a mentality that I and many Europeans with me have trouble understanding, violence should always heed proportionality and human life should be valued higher than property.

I made a joke post because I was actually upset by what I saw in the video (and I wish Leshma would stop posting that other video and reminding me of it). And from the video alone the man was disturbed and more of a danger, or issue, to himself then anyone in polite society. The inflection in his speech, along with his raggedy clothes and composure, told you you were dealing with someone who wasn't in possession of all his faculties. He was maybe armed with knives but I highly doubt someone of his disposition is going to have a fire-arm.

Sadly, money and training aren't allocated to dealing with the mentally impaired and I've only ever seen one cop who seemed to be living by "protect and serve" in my area. Situations that extreme haven't happened here that I know of but it's definitely "guilty until proven innocent".

I don't know what it's like in Europe but if you watch the news here it also seems like the media is constantly inundating the general public with fear-porn which, on top of all the other issues with law enforcement, doesn't help the situation at all.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 08, 2014, 03:48:51 pm
I guess it's to be expected in a video gaming forum, but all these "wow, what a tough spot", "man, them officers were one blink away from death" posts are pretty amazing.

Bouncers, people working in hospitals or as paramedics, beat cops, etc., etc all deal with similar situations a lot and they get through them without shooting anyone with suppressed M4s.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Molly on April 08, 2014, 03:52:10 pm
I know from experience that most bouncers go into "breaking-bones mode" when knives get involved, no matter the mental condition.
Those bones normally heal tho :D
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on April 08, 2014, 04:12:13 pm
Must be a very stressful and physiologically hard job - to be a police officer in the USA... Easy access to firearms etc.
 
Denmark has only 5 million citizens, so it might not be comparable with other country's statistics, but here is murder statistics for recent years:
 
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Yes, only 40-50 people get murdered every year. Not sure how many of them were committed using a firearm, but i suspect very few... As you can imagine, police is very chilled here. I have been stopped by police only once in 13 years, because i was drinking a bottled beer on a central train station, and it was not allowed. They politely asked my to step out from the station, and enjoy my beverage under the open sky. That's it!
 
I trust local police completely, and therefor it's hard for me to criticize their work, even when they "take it too far"... Most of the times i hear about victims of police brutality, i think - "They deserved it! May be not that much, but they had it coming!". Idk... just sharing my personal opinion :D
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Falka on April 08, 2014, 05:42:30 pm
That's what I think is so fucking awful about this situation- the guy wasn't thinking clearly, and he put the police in a super tough spot.

Even if it was "super tough spot" someone could think that 1 bullet was more than sufficient to overwhelm him... and this "put your hands up" screams when the guy lays in a pool of blood  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Jeade on April 09, 2014, 03:19:31 am
"Super tough spot." That situation might have been super tough for a couple of grade school girls, but police officers equipped like that? Nope.

Rational, non-emotional, thoughtful argument.

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Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Paul on April 09, 2014, 06:34:32 am
It's the insufferable Xant.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Eugen on April 09, 2014, 07:45:05 am
What a cool place to camp. What a pitty camping is not allowed there.

Still that camper must be in a psychopathic state of mind  to cling to his knives when confronted by "special forces".  Its not the first and will not be the last desperate or mentaly ill person who dies (or is severly injured) in conflict with law enforcement sadly.

I am not very shocked becouse the squad did use nonlethal methods. I fully understand why those guys didnt close in to an armed person who is desperate or mental ill and therfore unpredictable.

Maybe it was not that necessary to call in this special forces squad at all and the local officer should just have dropped the card of some social service to the camper... but thats a would have been, what do I know what happened first hand thing.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 09, 2014, 09:27:23 am
Rational, non-emotional, thoughtful argument.

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Yup, it was. And it's been backed up more than your "wow, what a tough spot" argument.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Butan on April 09, 2014, 01:52:46 pm
I know from experience that most bouncers go into "breaking-bones mode" when knives get involved, no matter the mental condition.
Those bones normally heal tho :D

If stabbing/shooting inside a nightclub didnt kill the business, they would go "kill-you mode". Some nightclubs do, but then only criminals ever goes in, or unsuspecting people.

Not all bones heal, and being a bouncer is shit when you are in a honourable business and you have to deal with dangerous people, for the same reason than policemen... Except that its even shittier since you're only a citizen in a fucked up job.


What I could concede to Xant and Xant followers is that there is "braver" policemen out there that are ready to sacrifice themselves to save others, even armed people threatening them. But they are few and far between; those few have a shorter life expectancy, and the hierarchy doesnt support them for obvious reasons...
Still, the "normal" cops are not cowards, they are way braver than your run-of-the-mill citizen, who will 99% of the time just run back in their house and watch with googles when shit hit the fan, and then tweet about how such and such actions are intolerable, while they drink their pina colada... /thread
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on April 09, 2014, 03:24:04 pm
It is ridiculous in this instance that they gunned down someone who was turning to run away from them.  That is unacceptable.  However it is also unacceptable to wave around a weapon near police, and not follow their commands.  You are quite literally risking your life if you do that.  I don't expect the police officers to put their lives on the line trying to apprehend an unstable person with a knife who has had multiple chances to comply with their commands.  But there are better ways to disarm the suspect without going trigger happy and saying "BOOYAH" when you shoot a guy in the back in cold blood. 

Every kid in America is taught you obey the police officers, and never brandish a weapon (or even a look-alike) weapon in front of a cop, or you could very well get shot.  I don't expect a police officer to try and determine if the gun you are holding is real or fake, if you raise it up they are going to defend themselves.  It's not the movies, people don't hold guns pointed at each other and scream "Drop it", if you raise a weapon towards a police officer, they will take action to make sure they go home to their kids at the end of the day.   

I think this is most important if you want to look at the overall differences between USA and many EU countries. And even guys like cracka seems to find it justified that the police should immediately use deadly force as soon as there is the tiniest chance of a weapon involved. Like Rumblood confirmed with his supersmart statement many in US think this is some natural law, and everyone not obeying it should blame himself when he ends up dead.

However this all is again so much related with the well-known circumstance that you have a shitload of weapons and especially firerarms in general in USA. It is certainly not the only reason, but a big one. In the last ten years the german police shot between 30 and 50 rounds at people per year and killed around 7 People per year. That is insane if you compare it to estimated numbers in USA, but of course german police have it fucking easy when there are much less people carrying weapons around.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on April 09, 2014, 03:41:02 pm
I was using a gun as a comparison because there's no grey area like a knife.  One of the first, if not the first rule of firearm safety is to never aim a firearm at something you do not intend to kill.  If you raise a firearm at a police officer who has a gun himself, he's not going to try and determine if you're serious about shooting him, or if that is a real gun or a fake gun.  He's going to go with his instinct to survive and neutralize the threat.

I think what the cops did was wrong by shooting the guy in the back.  But at the same time, the person should not be waving around weapons in front of cops when he is given many chances to drop them and comply.   I think they could have went with other options for disarming the guy, and they should never shoot someone in the back who is trying to run away from them.  That is wrong by anyone's standards (even stringent gun nuts can't defend a cop shooting someone in the back, they will try and switch the focus to something else).  I'm not trying to blame him for the cops shooting him in the back, but he is partly to blame for not de-escalating the situation when he had many chances to do so.  The police are tasked with enforcing the laws of the country, you, as a citizen, don't get to decide if you want to comply with the cops or not, that is not one of your options.  As much as I am anti-fascism and anti-police state, that is just common sense (I'm a very progressive/liberal person on the political scale)
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Falka on April 09, 2014, 04:34:35 pm
he is partly to blame for not de-escalating the situation when he had many chances to do so. The police are tasked with enforcing the laws of the country, you, as a citizen, don't get to decide if you want to comply with the cops or not, that is not one of your options. 

The police isn't - or at least shouldn't be - allowed to shoot someone just because he doesn't do what he's told to do.

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that is just common sense

Looks like we have different views on common sense.



Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Falka on April 09, 2014, 04:43:08 pm

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Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Molly on April 09, 2014, 05:07:50 pm
If stabbing/shooting inside a nightclub didnt kill the business, they would go "kill-you mode". Some nightclubs do, but then only criminals ever goes in, or unsuspecting people.

Not all bones heal, and being a bouncer is shit when you are in a honourable business and you have to deal with dangerous people, for the same reason than policemen... Except that its even shittier since you're only a citizen in a fucked up job.
I'd expect most European countries have similar laws which apply for bouncers. That means, there is no "kill"-mode cuz you're going to jail in any circumstance imaginable. Those "criminal clubs" you're mentioning usually don't have "random" bouncers but people from within their ranks. They don't count as bouncers in my book.
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Made a spoiler cuz it became a wall of text :?
Last time I worked a door was prolly 6 years ago but I still have contact to a lot of people working as bouncers.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on April 09, 2014, 05:29:51 pm
The police isn't - or at least shouldn't be - allowed to shoot someone just because he doesn't do what he's told to do.

Looks like we have different views on common sense.

No, the police shouldn't be allowed to shoot someone just because a suspect isn't doing what the police tell him to do.  I never said otherwise.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Butan on April 09, 2014, 05:40:22 pm
If you really have been at the door you know by then that when cracking the knuckles doesnt work and you have to up the ante, you're going to have to justify yourself even if you followed the rulebook, and possibly lose your job, if police/boss wants to fuck you.
The analogy is easy to follow  :wink:  otherwise, I respect your wisdom
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Leshma on April 09, 2014, 05:59:14 pm
New Mexico, Arizona... Wild West lives! Any similar case in New York state, perhaps?
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Teeth on April 09, 2014, 06:14:06 pm
Knives are messy. They are ugly and they are more dangerous than most people think but they are nothing you can't handle with a proper training. I'd expect every bouncer to have the proper training when working a club. Those who don't are stupid.
Bouncers are expected to deal with knife armed people while being unarmed? Sounds incredibly stupid and saying 'nothing you can't handle' seems to greatly overestimate anyone's ability to fight unarmed versus a knife.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Tovi on April 09, 2014, 06:16:29 pm
Eating shit all the time, pollution and violent images affect brain health.
What else ?
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Kafein on April 09, 2014, 06:18:28 pm
It's funny that they shoot bean bags at people then expect that those people will immediately do whatever they are supposed to do without reacting to the bean bags.

Bouncers are expected to deal with knife armed people while being unarmed? Sounds incredibly stupid and saying 'nothing you can't handle' seems to greatly overestimate anyone's ability to fight unarmed versus a knife.

We are talking about stupid angry drunk people with knives, not ninjas.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Teeth on April 09, 2014, 07:02:23 pm
We are talking about stupid angry drunk people with knives, not ninjas.
And we are talking about bouncers who got a few hours of 'knife defense' training, not ninjas. Stupid angry drunk with a knife versus a bouncer equipped with 'knife defense', I wouldn't bet my life on the bouncer. He shouldn't bet his life either.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 09, 2014, 07:11:17 pm
Bouncers are expected to deal with knife armed people while being unarmed? Sounds incredibly stupid and saying 'nothing you can't handle' seems to greatly overestimate anyone's ability to fight unarmed versus a knife.
99% of those are drunk people who show the knife before making an uncoordinated haymaker-knife attack, or use it just to threaten. Very different from a pro who walks by and then stabs you 10 times in the neck before you notice what's happening.

A weapon doesn't make a harmless person dangerous. People are dangerous, not weapons.

Most bouncers nowadays would use OC, though.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Butan on April 09, 2014, 07:32:49 pm
Good luck evading the most uncoordinated knife lunge and subsequent strikes, except if he's so drunk he misses you or does it in slow-mo or both. You're going to get cut 100% chance. Of course if you manage to make him run away after he pulls out his metal dick, you win, but if his intent is to strike you you better run the hell out of doge if you're not ready to take major damage to your own life. The same for those armed policemen.
"Knife defense training" doesnt teach to evade cuts, and drills wont save you. The 2 first things you learn if you're into a no bullshit school. Hollywood and piss poor teachers are killing more people than you can count, and this thread is a proof.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Molly on April 09, 2014, 07:45:23 pm
Bouncers are expected to deal with knife armed people while being unarmed? Sounds incredibly stupid and saying 'nothing you can't handle' seems to greatly overestimate anyone's ability to fight unarmed versus a knife.
We are talking about stupid angry drunk people with knives, not ninjas.
This. Should have pointed that out. My bad.
And you're never supposed to be alone. Always work in teams of two. Not to mention that me and most I know work with stab vest and lead-filled gloves. Those vest are actually pretty cheap to get when used and those gloves? Well, you can't cut or stab them. Simply can't. So combine the training and the equipment, knives still pose a significant threat, of course they do, but you can handle them.

And we are talking about bouncers who got a few hours of 'knife defense' training, not ninjas. Stupid angry drunk with a knife versus a bouncer equipped with 'knife defense', I wouldn't bet my life on the bouncer. He shouldn't bet his life either.
And as I pointed out, I would expect every bouncer to have proper training and that means way more than just a few hours of knife-counters. I know very few who carry a telescope bat for those purposes but they aren't legal. And pepper spray is problematic cuz that stuff tends to get to you as well and not just the guy it's aimed at. I never carried that stuff, seemed to dangerous to get caught in it myself.

And maybe I should mention that just holding the guy at bay with talking to him, keeping him busy and occupied till the cops arrive is just fine too. Ofc self-preservation is important. It's not like you rush head on in the guy.

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Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 09, 2014, 08:33:54 pm
Good luck evading the most uncoordinated knife lunge and subsequent strikes, except if he's so drunk he misses you or does it in slow-mo or both. You're going to get cut 100% chance. Of course if you manage to make him run away after he pulls out his metal dick, you win, but if his intent is to strike you you better run the hell out of doge if you're not ready to take major damage to your own life. The same for those armed policemen.
"Knife defense training" doesnt teach to evade cuts, and drills wont save you. The 2 first things you learn if you're into a no bullshit school. Hollywood and piss poor teachers are killing more people than you can count, and this thread is a proof.

Lolwut. So apparently a knife turns anyone into a superman that can't be stopped. Bro, it's just a small, sharp piece of metal. I know several bouncers who have each done 50+ successful knife disarms, and they definitely haven't gotten cut every time.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Artyem on April 09, 2014, 10:01:50 pm
Old man?  The guy was 38 years old.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on April 09, 2014, 10:07:48 pm
Old man?  The guy was 38 years old.

Old man detected.   8-)

/I'm getting there  :cry:
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: //saxon on April 09, 2014, 10:16:17 pm
just remember, god loves yers and he wants yers.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Christo on April 09, 2014, 10:18:45 pm
just remember, god loves yers and he wants yers.

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I never would've thought that god has an obsession of Soviet medium bombers.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Butan on April 09, 2014, 10:38:38 pm
Maybe they are just too cautious  :D
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: protox2k on April 09, 2014, 11:01:13 pm
idk how old this thread is but it's nice to see an ignorant EU base one situation and call it "Law Enforcement in America". EU and NA are both shit holes and i find it hilarious how nerds who haven't explored past a one mile radius around their comp act like they know shit. Suck an Obama nut and move on  8-)
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 09, 2014, 11:18:15 pm
idk how old this thread is but it's nice to see an ignorant EU base one situation and call it "Law Enforcement in America". EU and NA are both shit holes and i find it hilarious how nerds who haven't explored past a one mile radius around their comp act like they know shit. Suck an Obama nut and move on  8-)
There are news like this constantly in the U.S. Very, very rare in Europe.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: SixThumbs on April 09, 2014, 11:42:06 pm
I don't know what sort of impression you get of the U.S. but being poor is against the law here.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 09, 2014, 11:45:04 pm
I don't know what sort of impression you get of the U.S. but being poor is against the law here.
Occasionally it backfires. See Rambo 1 for proof.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Kafein on April 09, 2014, 11:55:38 pm
idk how old this thread is but it's nice to see an ignorant EU base one situation and call it "Law Enforcement in America". EU and NA are both shit holes and i find it hilarious how nerds who haven't explored past a one mile radius around their comp act like they know shit. Suck an Obama nut and move on  8-)

You have to admit getting into the USA is kind of hard if you are not a terrorist.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Jeade on April 10, 2014, 06:36:42 am
The police are tasked with enforcing the laws of the country, you, as a citizen, don't get to decide if you want to comply with the cops or not, that is not one of your options.

Correct! That's what the court proceedings are for.
It is possible that police will overstep or courts can be prejudiced and corrupt, but the one surefire way to end up either in jail or dead is to start fighting with police.
That will literally never work out too well for you.

A weapon doesn't make a harmless person dangerous. People are dangerous, not weapons.

I'd say you're very close to the truth here, but the one thing you're forgetting is that dangerous people with dangerous weapons is dangerous x2.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Oberyn on April 10, 2014, 07:41:27 am
How someone who is not a worthless paranoid pussy handles a "dangerous" knife wielder:
http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhh4OwNWPe6499J5j0
Wow, he didn't even need body armor  or years of training or 5 other guys on his side or a fucking attack dog, and most weird of all, he didn't even shoot him!!11!!. Truly he is a superman and expecting police literally trained to handle situations like these to not kill outright is obviously way too much to ask.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Lars on April 10, 2014, 09:05:27 am
99% of those are drunk people who show the knife before making an uncoordinated haymaker-knife attack, or use it just to threaten. Very different from a pro who walks by and then stabs you 10 times in the neck before you notice what's happening.

A weapon doesn't make a harmless person dangerous. People are dangerous, not weapons.

Most bouncers nowadays would use OC, though.


Pepper spray is a bitch, i got pepper sprayed some years ago, the eyes obviously burn a lot, but  the  worst thing imo was  that it was hard to breathe, a sensation similar like if you are choking, at least that was what i felt. I guess that it can be different from person to person,  depending how much and where you got pepper sprayed,  the concentration of the OC  etc...   
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Molly on April 10, 2014, 10:14:21 am
How someone who is not a worthless paranoid pussy handles a "dangerous" knife wielder:
http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhh4OwNWPe6499J5j0
Wow, he didn't even need body armor  or years of training or 5 other guys on his side or a fucking attack dog, and most weird of all, he didn't even shoot him!!11!!. Truly he is a superman and expecting police literally trained to handle situations like these to not kill outright is obviously way too much to ask.
He trained something. The trip could be school yard experience, though it looks practised, but the 2nd one, when the dude got up again, is not a standard use of kinetics :)
Most noticeable should be that he is not even hitting the guy at the beginning, when he had him by his hair.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 10, 2014, 11:35:50 am
That guy should've done a disarm way quicker. You really don't want to be fighting for the control of the knife hand for that long.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Oberyn on April 10, 2014, 11:37:30 am
Yeah ironically he was in much, much higher danger than any of the police on the OP video.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Butan on April 10, 2014, 12:57:16 pm
Ironically, that video shows exactly why the police shot first before getting closer.

If the guy on the vid had lost control of the knife hand for one second, his grin would have transformed into a expressionless bloody mask, and those stupid kids around would have started panicking a bit.



What people dont get is, if the last examples (bouncers, civilians, etc...) had guns at the ready and licence to use them, they would not get close and personal just for show. Except those that really want a show ofc, but those guys are either confident, or stupid, or both, and can still end up dead.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 10, 2014, 01:49:26 pm
You really are clueless. If that video shows anything, it shows that a knife doesn't transform anyone into an invincible killing machine. You have no way of knowing what would've happened if that guy had lost control of the knife hand. It's a pretty safe bet that the wet noodle who had the knife wouldn't have murdered everyone in his general vicinity even if his knife hand wasn't controlled for a second.

What you don't get, apparently, is that police officers aren't doing their job for themselves. Their job description is not "just stay safe, no matter how many civilians you have to kill." No, they're "protecting" and "serving." The whole point, in western societies, is to make sure civilians are safe. Yes, it's more dangerous for them if they don't shoot... so? Should they shoot everyone who breaks any law because it'd be more dangerous to get close? If someone is speeding and you stop them, they might be on drugs and pull out a gun... maybe it's just better to call in a drone strike on the car.

Many bouncers and civilians would indeed use guns if they had the right to do that against people with knives. Yet they don't. For a reason. And still they manage. Why should the police be allowed to shoot people dead if other people aren't allowed to do that (and still manage)?
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Butan on April 10, 2014, 01:58:35 pm
Many bouncers and civilians would indeed use guns if they had the right to do that against people with knives. Yet they don't. For a reason. And still they manage. Why should the police be allowed to... [...]

You stopped short of the reason, elaborate a bit more and you will find the answer.


Their job description is not "just stay safe, no matter how many civilians you have to kill." No, they're "protecting" and "serving."

"To protect and to serve" also include shooting down clueless dangerous armed people. If still alive, put in jail; if dead, case closed.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 10, 2014, 02:09:50 pm
You stopped short of the reason, elaborate a bit more and you will find the answer.
There is no reason for it.


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"To protect and to serve" also include shooting down clueless dangerous armed people. If still alive, put in jail; if dead, case closed.
Nope.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Turkhammer on April 10, 2014, 06:28:54 pm
civilians would indeed use guns if they had the right to do that against people with knives. Yet they don't. For a reason. And still they manage. Why should the police be allowed to shoot people dead if other people aren't allowed to do that (and still manage)?

I don't know where you are from but in my country, if a reasonable person (legal concept) has a reasonable expectation (another legal term) that he facing the threat of death or grievous bodily harm, then lethal force is permitted in self defense.   It has been established that a person with a knife can cover 21 feet and stab another person before that second person can draw a holstered pistol and fire.  A knife is a lethal weapon that can cause death in an instant.  Any civilian threatened with a knife and in close proximity to a knife wielder most certainly has the right to self defense up to and including the use of lethal force with a gun.  That's how it should be.  His actions will be scrutinized to the nth degree by the police and prosecutor and during a jury trial if he is charged with murder.

If a jurisdiction or a country has removed your right to defend your life or the lives of your family if and when you are faced with the gravest extreme, then they have taken away one of your most basic civil rights.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Falka on April 10, 2014, 06:41:01 pm
If a jurisdiction or a country has removed your right to defend your life or the lives of your family if and when you are faced with the gravest extreme, then they have taken away one of your most basic civil rights.

There's a difference between self defence against someone who's directly attacking you and shooting at guy standing 10 m away from you and doing nothing.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Turkhammer on April 10, 2014, 06:53:43 pm
There's a difference between self defence against someone who's directly attacking you and shooting at guy standing 10 m away from you and doing nothing.

Absolutely correct.  I was responding to the statement that civilians do not have the right to use a gun to defend themselves from a knife attack.  That's why in your example the first case is self defense and the second case is murder or manslaughter.

Quite obviously a person 10 meters away, doing nothing, does not put you in imminent danger of death or grievous harm.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Kafein on April 10, 2014, 07:09:51 pm
There's also the fact that if you hold someone at gunpoint he can travel an average of zero meters before you can react and shoot. Hence why neither persons in the videos posed a threat warranting the use of deadly force.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Falka on April 10, 2014, 08:02:04 pm
Absolutely correct. I was responding to the statement that civilians do not have the right to use a gun to defend themselves from a knife attack. That's why in your example the first case is self defense and the second case is murder or manslaughter.

Quite obviously a person 10 meters away, doing nothing, does not put you in imminent danger of death or grievous harm.

I was referring to the guy from the video who didn't put anyone in "imminent danger of death or grievous harm" :) I thought that you relate your statement to him as well, not only put it as a general rule.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 10, 2014, 08:56:23 pm
I don't know where you are from but in my country, if a reasonable person (legal concept) has a reasonable expectation (another legal term) that he facing the threat of death or grievous bodily harm, then lethal force is permitted in self defense.   It has been established that a person with a knife can cover 21 feet and stab another person before that second person can draw a holstered pistol and fire.  A knife is a lethal weapon that can cause death in an instant.  Any civilian threatened with a knife and in close proximity to a knife wielder most certainly has the right to self defense up to and including the use of lethal force with a gun.  That's how it should be.  His actions will be scrutinized to the nth degree by the police and prosecutor and during a jury trial if he is charged with murder.

If a jurisdiction or a country has removed your right to defend your life or the lives of your family if and when you are faced with the gravest extreme, then they have taken away one of your most basic civil rights.
Finland. Pretty sure the laws are more or less the same in all of Europe. While in theory you may be allowed to shoot someone with a knife (if you somehow get your hands on a gun -- unlikely), in practice it can be very different. Self-defense laws at least here are pretty fucked up. Or well, not the laws, but how they're handled in court - a lot of the time the "bad guy" sues the defender and wins, even if he's got nothing but a bruise. Witnesses, how much people in the court like the accuser and accusee, what was said in the police investigation, and perhaps most importantly, what the doctor said ("the description of the event matches the injuries" = conviction), etc.

If you killed a knife-wielding dude, 99.9% of the time you'd be the bad guy. Where do you live? If not in the US, I can almost guarantee it's the same in your country.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Molly on April 10, 2014, 09:09:03 pm
Yea, the handling of those cases lacks common sense a lot of times.
I have a nice example, happened like this in Germany:

Drunk guy threatens a young woman in a subway tunnel, later afternoon. He's holding a beer bottle, yells at the girl, pushing her against a wall.
At some point the drunk breaks the bottle on the wall and threatens the woman with a broken! bottle.
A young man comes along, sees it, and starts to intervene. He grabs the arm with the bottle and pulls on it, standing in the back of the drunk.
As drunk as he is, he falls down and unlucky onto his right arm which he was holding the bottle in. The arm breaks twice.
The young man escorts the woman a few meters away, ensures that she isn't cut anywhere and then calls the cops. After the call he went back to the drunk and fixated him on the ground to hold him there for the police to arrive.
They arrive and arrest the drunk.

8 months and a trial later the young man was convicted for breaking the drunks arm to 18 months on probation. That young fellow is now a convicted criminal. For saving that chick. It was said that he wasn't using proportional force since the other guy was obviously drunk and less pulling and pushing would have been the way to go. No joke. Spoken by a German court.
Imagining now that a guy comes with a knife at me and I shoot at him (just the thought of having a gun here is ridiculous but anyway), I am pretty sure that even if I just wounded him, I would do jail time.

Theory and praxis, I guess.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Prpavi on April 10, 2014, 09:11:48 pm
I was on probation and I'm not classified as a convicted criminal

He doesn't necesarry have a file on him if he's on probation especially if that was his first offense
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Havelle on April 10, 2014, 09:13:40 pm
Finland. Pretty sure the laws are more or less the same in all of Europe. While in theory you may be allowed to shoot someone with a knife (if you somehow get your hands on a gun -- unlikely), in practice it can be very different. Self-defense laws at least here are pretty fucked up. Or well, not the laws, but how they're handled in court - a lot of the time the "bad guy" sues the defender and wins, even if he's got nothing but a bruise. Witnesses, how much people in the court like the accuser and accusee, what was said in the police investigation, and perhaps most importantly, what the doctor said ("the description of the event matches the injuries" = conviction), etc.

If you killed a knife-wielding dude, 99.9% of the time you'd be the bad guy. Where do you live? If not in the US, I can almost guarantee it's the same in your country.

No, is pretty much the same way here. You can shoot someone who breaks into your house with a gun and still get sued and jail time. It might be a little different in states like Florida with a Stand Your Ground Law or whatever, though.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Tibe on April 10, 2014, 09:15:48 pm
I kinda agree on that one. Its not like the laws any better in this EU country aswell. Generally the person defending himself is the one going to jail. We just had a case here where some egyptian tourist and his wife got hassled by a group of assholes. The guy said stop and they beated the shit out of him. Out of desperation he pulled out a knife and stabbed those douchebags. Unfortunately the guy is going to jail now and the dickbags are probably getting fined, IF even that. I mean the law is severely fucked up here. If someone breaks into your house and you catch him stealing your shit, you have to very carefully subdue him. BY GOD, if he even gets a single bruise, you will go to jail! Its just better to lie down and cry if you get into a fight here and if someone breaks into your house just go back to sleep, call the police in the morning and start hoping for the best. I dont even....
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 10, 2014, 09:18:57 pm
#1 rule is to never call the cops, ever. Just leave. Worst case scenario, you're found later... but you've lost nothing. You have no obligation to give yourself up to the police and you can't be punished for not doing so.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Butan on April 10, 2014, 10:54:12 pm
Theory and praxis, I guess.

Yep, civilians are way more prone to be injustly pursued, similar cases occured in France and all the time it was deemed pretty stupid and sometimes if the press coverage was big enough there was local protest and creation of association to protect the civilians put on trial.

The question relative to the topic would be, why try to pull the same kind of bs on police? Stop trying to put them in jail each time they fire their gun.


There's also the fact that if you hold someone at gunpoint he can travel an average of zero meters before you can react and shoot. Hence why neither persons in the videos posed a threat warranting the use of deadly force.

Held at gunpoint and trigger ready is still about a few meters before actually being able to react to the threat.
Yes, they werent in the "you're gonna die if he chooses to" zone (judging the distance on the vid), so basing on the immediate threat is not enough to say that the guy should be gunned down.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Falka on April 10, 2014, 10:56:07 pm
From my experience what's said in the media about law cases and what really happened more often than not have very little if anything in common. As far as I know it's not that bad with the right to self defense as you describe it. At least in my country, but as was mentioned above legal systems are more or less the same in whole EU.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Miwiw on April 10, 2014, 11:10:13 pm
Absolutely correct.  I was responding to the statement that civilians do not have the right to use a gun to defend themselves from a knife attack.  That's why in your example the first case is self defense and the second case is murder or manslaughter.

Civilians do not have the right to use a gun because they do not own a gun. In a real country nowadays civilians should never get in contact with a gun. Ever.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Kafein on April 11, 2014, 01:54:03 am
Held at gunpoint and trigger ready is still about a few meters before actually being able to react to the threat.

wat

The question relative to the topic would be, why try to pull the same kind of bs on police? Stop trying to put them in jail each time they fire their gun.

Because it's obviously not the same thing. The cases here are not representative of "each time they fire their gun". Hopefully, anyway.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Butan on April 11, 2014, 03:53:21 am
wat

I will rephrase : even down the sight and fingers on the trigger, if you wait for the guy to move before shooting, your whole body totally relaxed and focused on doing that perfect non-lethal leg shot combo break 360° no scope, it will still translate into the guy being able to move a few meters before you are able to touch the trigger in reaction, and then you still have to actually hit the target,  and hit him bad enough to drop him before he slits your throat.
All this to explain it could be why they shot before he actually tried to use his shit on them actively. You know, to not die first, this sort of things. Or are you the kind of guy who profess that police should wait for susp to hit first before returning fire?


I think the more pages we get this thread on, the more everyone forget the full story : guy's a lunatic, violent police record, refused to comply for hours, threatened to kill everyone and their mothers before the shooting, held knives in the face of a K9 officer and the other policemen, even after getting flashbanged and aggressively approached by gung ho police shooters.
Whats debatable is why they began firing when they did, but in a tense armed confrontation like this even a wink can kill you.
And then, the threat he posed and will to use his weapons is impossible to deny, except if you're as mentally challenged as the dude.




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Because it's obviously not the same thing. The cases here are not representative of "each time they fire their gun". Hopefully, anyway.

Ok, you're right... noone ever moan each time a cop uses a gun... except there is always a whole lot of people (on the scene itself, going on rampages, or on the internet, like we do atm) overly debating the same similar cases each time it happens, whenever someone got killed by a cop, however the circumstances, everyone's distraught and trying to find what went wrong, because everytime someone dies, its bad and unjustified because life is precious yada yada yada this is as old as the universe itself

I understand people being distressed in the first few seconds/minutes on a crime scene, but once the shock wears off, if you're still here saying "cops are pigs", then you have a problem with the law enforcement, not the policemen.

Prove me wrong and analyze that footage:



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Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: SixThumbs on April 11, 2014, 03:06:44 pm
Even if you murder a man you're still put on trial before you're sentenced to execution (where applicable).
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Leshma on April 11, 2014, 03:13:49 pm
That's another major difference between EU and USA. There is no death penalty in EU.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on April 11, 2014, 04:09:54 pm
Not trying to argue for or against Butan or Heskey (or their respective arguments) since I haven't really given a shit about this thread for pages now, and haven't been reading most of what is being said... but have any of you talking about hand guns, actually fired a hand gun?  They are wildly inaccurate even if you are trying your damndest to hit a 1 foot by 1 foot window at more than say 5 meters while you are standing.  If you are not perfectly smooth when pulling the trigger your shot will go off the mark by a few feet (or more).  Now try doing that in an intense situation while someone is charging at you with a knife (also knives can be thrown). 
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Leshma on April 11, 2014, 04:26:09 pm
Why should be discussing handguns when cops in video are using M4A1?
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Ginosaji on April 11, 2014, 04:29:05 pm
I didn't read the whole thread, so maybe I'm just repeating what some other guy already said..

Now try doing that in an intense situation while someone is charging at you with a knife (also knives can be thrown).

Even Austrian policemen manage to kill an attacker with a knife... And even Austrian policemen are equiped with vests that protect them from being stabbed.
Here's a story for example: http://wien.orf.at/news/stories/2587621/
Short translation: 8 policemen fired 20 shots at a man armed with a knife at close range.

Such things happen quite often here (I can remember 4 cases in the last few years), the difference is that it's always a big topic and most people find it very disturbing.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on April 11, 2014, 05:35:17 pm
I agree...but people were talking hand guns.  I've already said the cops were not in danger when the man in the original video turned around and was trying to escape.  They had no reason to shoot him in the back with long rifles.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 11, 2014, 07:30:06 pm
I will rephrase : even down the sight and fingers on the trigger, if you wait for the guy to move before shooting, your whole body totally relaxed and focused on doing that perfect non-lethal leg shot combo break 360° no scope, it will still translate into the guy being able to move a few meters before you are able to touch the trigger in reaction, and then you still have to actually hit the target,  and hit him bad enough to drop him before he slits your throat.
Have you actually trained this? It sounds like you haven't.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Christo on April 11, 2014, 08:25:14 pm
Eric Holder wants gun owners to wear ‘smart gun’ bracelets (http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/07/eric-holder-wants-gun-owners-to-wear-tracking-bracelets)
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Kafein on April 11, 2014, 11:47:11 pm
Eric Holder wants gun owners to wear ‘smart gun’ bracelets (http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/07/eric-holder-wants-gun-owners-to-wear-tracking-bracelets)

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Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Leshma on April 12, 2014, 12:18:54 am
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Common sense has nothing to do with gun control.

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The gun owner has committed no crime by exercising his natural right to be armed.

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Brand 'em right in the middle of the forehead. ANy illegal found in this country with evidence of surgery to remove the brand is subject to summary execution. If they want to live here, do so legally.

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The summary execution is a little harsh, but you have the right idea. We need to do the same thing to people who cheat at the polls.

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I've often thought that these illegals need to be microchipped like they do dogs so once they are deported and try to come back, they will set off alarms.

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Those, this idiot would rather arm. The entire government these days is about doing the opposite of what the Constitution says, and what common sense dictates.

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Obama didn't get the Lar-of-the-Year award for having honor....and holder is just a whiney racist...those mean white people.

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The ONLY of gun control to which I subscribe is this: I keep a firm and steady hand on my gun.

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Gun control should involve four things: a two handed grip, frontsight, frontsight, and squeeze.

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Don't forget: hit what you aim at.

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leaving only one witness, that is you!

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Ever compare how many black children are killed compared to white? I haven't because I don't care but really can't understand when I see blacks in the projects say I knew He was going to be killed....why they don't get off the couch & raise their children instead of jerking them up!

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Christians and Jews, lets face it this admin is for Muslims and atheists, Exclusively.

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Are you kidding? Jews love gun control. Look at the USSR. They had some real fun there. Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, Yurovsky the list goes on and on.

Gun control is Communist policy NOT Nationalist. You have the two mixed up.

Panos went to USA and multiplied?
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Christo on April 12, 2014, 12:22:27 am
That comment section

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Was a perfect combination for a little snack.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Oberyn on April 12, 2014, 08:45:41 am
The real funny thing to me, personally, is how the 2nd amendment continues to be painted as some sort of barrier to government power, when it quite clearly isn't. But that's why you have morons holding self-contradictory statements, like "2nd amendment is used to protect against government!" and "This country is a fascist hivemind of opression!". Oh, so you mean the power granted to individuals in having weapons was OBVIOUSLY not a barrier to government expansion at all. The Fed apparently already does whatever the fuck it wants, having 300+ pound hambeasts masturbate to their assault rifles isn't something it fears at all, despite what those hambeasts keep saying to themselves.

I tend to side with those who approach it more as a right to personal safety from other individuals who may be criminals, in that police protection isn't perfect and always available at the drop of a hat. Especially in isolated rural areas, which in the US is the vast majority of the sparsely populated territory, and also tends to explain the difference between "red" and "blue" states on this issue. In a densely populated city, the nearest police patrol is usually not that far off, and proliferation of firearms creates more crime than it ever prevents. Whereas in sparsely populated areas the exact opposite is true.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Prpavi on April 12, 2014, 01:03:12 pm

I tend to side with those who approach it more as a right to personal safety from other individuals who may be criminals, in that police protection isn't perfect and always available at the drop of a hat. Especially in isolated rural areas, which in the US is the vast majority of the sparsely populated territory, and also tends to explain the difference between "red" and "blue" states on this issue. In a densely populated city, the nearest police patrol is usually not that far off, and proliferation of firearms creates more crime than it ever prevents. Whereas in sparsely populated areas the exact opposite is true.


I can agree with the statements about rural areas and lack of immidiate protection from law enforcement. But the problem is 2nd ammendment grants same rights to people living in urban areas as to people living in rural areas. More people=more guns=more problems, if the Wiki is to be trusted 250 million people in US live in urban areas covering 3% of the land, three quarters of the population is densly concentrated around big urban hubs and thats where gun related violence shines. Chicago had 416 murders last year, 516 the year befoe, that to me is frightening. Not sure allowing more people to carry guns for self protection could help the situation, quite the contrary.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Oberyn on April 12, 2014, 01:35:48 pm
Yeah, but then you look at how the electoral process is set up in the US, it is not based on proportional representation. Sparsely populated states have disproportionate voting power when compared to densely populated ones. But try to get most americans to agree that the electoral college is a fucking farce and they usually come back with something like "but, but mah founding fathers!!1!", as if they were some sort of godlike beings descended from heaven to deliver finely tuned justice and democracy.

Tbf, there is a lot of criticism of the electoral system too, although unsurprisingly from the "liberal" side of the two party system, because proportional representation would benefit them politically.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Prpavi on April 12, 2014, 02:57:26 pm
I'm not well informed about the US electoral process, could you just give me the tl;dr version. Also concerinig the red and the blue states (Republican) are in the centre of the country and south while blue ones are along the coastline or am I mistaken, is that the problems you are reffering to the republican more conservative states with lower pop. dictating the elections unfairly?
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Kafein on April 12, 2014, 03:16:21 pm
At election day, each state votes separately. The majority in each state gets all the electors of that state (with two exceptions). Each state has a number of electors loosely depending on the population of the state. However, it's not fair because say one elector in Iowa represents much fewer people than one elector in California. On top of that, this system strenghtens the bipartism of the US, because in order to get electors you need to be the first political force somewhere, instead of getting say 10% everywhere like a minor party could easily acheive.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Prpavi on April 12, 2014, 03:43:23 pm
Ah that's what I tought. Well they are States aren't they, you can't expect to have the same system as a country, maybe a smaller party from California or Texas would easily get into Parliment while parties from smaller states would never get in and thus small states wouldn't be represented equally unlike now wowo such democracy  :mrgreen:, that is a great argument to keep the system as it is, genious.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Lt_Anders on April 12, 2014, 04:46:12 pm
At election day, each state votes separately. The majority in each state gets all the electors of that state (with two exceptions). Each state has a number of electors loosely depending on the population of the state. However, it's not fair because say one elector in Iowa represents much fewer people than one elector in California. On top of that, this system strenghtens the bipartism of the US, because in order to get electors you need to be the first political force somewhere, instead of getting say 10% everywhere like a minor party could easily acheive.

Electoral College:
When you vote, the state that has a certain number of electors(or votes for president). To win this Votes, you must have the MAJORITY vote in that state. The votes in that states are proprotional to it's population(Or also equal to the amount of representatives each state has, they use the same number for both), excepting that all states have a minimum of 3 votes, and DC gets 3 votes even though it falls under no other category and is a special administration region.

Once you win a state, you get the votes. The person who has the most votes then wins president(which amounts to something like 216 I believe) Due to this system, Independent presidents almost never get elected, unless they are really famous (has happened in the past, not so much now).

Now, for small parties, they can(and most times do) occupy state legislators, and sometimes, national legislature, but they cannot take presidential election due to the bias towards 2 party system.

This whole system causes problems though because certain states(Like Florida, Ohio), are big votes(29,20 respectively) and depending on the candidates, can actively make or break the president. My state(Florida) is a purple state, meaning we went Bush twice, but then switch to Obama for 2 sections. But, even though the state is "purple" it's really more like this. North Florida is SOLID BLUE while South Florida is SOLID RED(rep, dem) and the center is pretty mixed.

http://www.ehdp.com/vitalnet/reps.htm
As you can see, there's 3/4 "big states" they are Cali, NY,Texas, Florida. Every election it's almost always Dem: Cali, NY Rep: Texas Swing: Florida. If you win those 4 states, you have practically won the presidency.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Kafein on April 12, 2014, 04:53:30 pm
This system also causes huge problems with gerrymandering and also the fact that if you live in a state that traditionally always votes blue or always votes red, your individual vote really is pointless.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Lt_Anders on April 12, 2014, 04:56:24 pm
This system also causes huge problems with gerrymandering and also the fact that if you live in a state that traditionally always votes blue or always votes red, your individual vote really is pointless.

Certain states(mine) have started to revoke the gerrymandering districts. (one of the reps, who had a Gerrymandered district to include practically all the blacks to stay elected every 2 years was campaigning hard against it)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida%27s_3rd_congressional_district#The_1993.E2.80.932012_black_majority_district

http://pjmedia.com/zombie/2010/11/11/the-top-ten-most-gerrymandered-congressional-districts-in-the-united-states/
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Swaggart on April 12, 2014, 05:24:13 pm
Certain states(mine) have started to revoke the gerrymandering districts. (one of the reps, who had a Gerrymandered district to include practically all the blacks to stay elected every 2 years was campaigning hard against it)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida%27s_3rd_congressional_district#The_1993.E2.80.932012_black_majority_district

http://pjmedia.com/zombie/2010/11/11/the-top-ten-most-gerrymandered-congressional-districts-in-the-united-states/

It's really amazing how you point to one fucking instance of gerrymandering, and it was about black people, conveniently ignoring that the majority of gerrymandered districts ended up as such specifically to disenfranchise black voters.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Lt_Anders on April 12, 2014, 05:33:13 pm
It's really amazing how you point to one fucking instance of gerrymandering, and it was about black people, conveniently ignoring that the majority of gerrymandered districts ended up as such specifically to disenfranchise black voters.

Can't help it. I don't live near the others, so I don't know about them. I do know about Corrine Brown and find her to be the most corrupt of our representatives but would never get unelected do to the distracting.

Also, you completely ignored the second link.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Kafein on April 12, 2014, 05:43:47 pm
It's really amazing how you point to one fucking instance of gerrymandering, and it was about black people, conveniently ignoring that the majority of gerrymandered districts ended up as such specifically to disenfranchise black voters.

I don't think that's the core of the issue here.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Turkhammer on April 12, 2014, 07:41:28 pm
No, is pretty much the same way here. You can shoot someone who breaks into your house with a gun and still get sued and jail time. It might be a little different in states like Florida with a Stand Your Ground Law or whatever, though.

In states that have the "Castle Doctrine" (most I believe) you do not have the duty to retreat from a someone that breaks into your house.  If your actions meet all the criteria for  self defense against an intruder you will not be prosecuted.  You may be sued because here anyone can sue for anything.

In states that have "Stand your ground doctrine" the Castle Doctrine is extended to any place that you have a legal right to be.  Therefore you do not have a legal duty to retreat from a threat even outside of your house.  In all states that don't have a Stand Your Ground law, the duty to retreat is predicated on being able to retreat from the threat with absolute safety.  Stand your ground laws came into being because of overzealous prosecutors coming up with creative theories of how people could have retreated in absolute safety from a deadly threat.  People were imprisoned that should not have been and those laws were in reaction to that.

In my state you are protected from civil suit under the stand your ground law.  That is if you commit justifiable homicide (killing in self defense) you have immunity from civil suit by the survivors of your attacker.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Turkhammer on April 12, 2014, 07:45:53 pm
#1 rule is to never call the cops, ever. Just leave. Worst case scenario, you're found later... but you've lost nothing. You have no obligation to give yourself up to the police and you can't be punished for not doing so.

Well in the US, leaving the scene and not calling the cops is tantamount to admitting guilt and is seen that way by the police and the courts.  Here self defense is a legal defense against a murder charge by a prosecutor.  If you flee and do not turn yourself in, a judge may disallow self defense as a defense against murder charges in your trial.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 12, 2014, 08:17:32 pm
Well in the US, leaving the scene and not calling the cops is tantamount to admitting guilt and is seen that way by the police and the courts.  Here self defense is a legal defense against a murder charge by a prosecutor.  If you flee and do not turn yourself in, a judge may disallow self defense as a defense against murder charges in your trial.
Source? It may "look bad", but it should have no real weight on anything. You should always have a story about being in shock etc as well.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Lt_Anders on April 12, 2014, 08:23:54 pm
Source? It may "look bad", but it should have no real weight on anything. You should always have a story about being in shock etc as well.

Naw, you will get arrested and tried for murder. You'd get tried if you "Stood your Ground" as well, but that's easier to prove if you're in your house rather than other locations. Zimmerman's trial was a good indication of how that law works in some cases, while the Micheal Dunn Case shows how it can be "abused" and proved wrong.

Leaving the Scene, regardless of why, will get you arrested, just for the mere fact of "leaving the scene" which is against the law. If it happens TOO you you gotta stay. (not as a witness though, you may get asked later)
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Christo on April 12, 2014, 08:26:23 pm
Leaving the Scene, regardless of why, will get you arrested, just for the mere fact of "leaving the scene" which is against the law.

Oh well, at least you don't get shot to shit if you would stay there.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Lt_Anders on April 12, 2014, 08:29:40 pm
Oh well, at least you don't get shot to shit if you would stay there.

The police won't just pull guns out on you and start shooting, unless there's already a gunfight going on(wild west, but I've never heard of this, usually the bads up an leave before cops pull up). If you DO leave the scene, you WILL have an officer approach you later to "take you in" for questioning.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 12, 2014, 08:55:37 pm
The police won't just pull guns out on you and start shooting, unless there's already a gunfight going on(wild west, but I've never heard of this, usually the bads up an leave before cops pull up). If you DO leave the scene, you WILL have an officer approach you later to "take you in" for questioning.
Well obviously you'll be questioned. You'll be questioned either way.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Turkhammer on April 13, 2014, 04:47:10 am
Source? It may "look bad", but it should have no real weight on anything. You should always have a story about being in shock etc as well.

Source?  Lawyers, books written by lawyers about self defense laws, accounts of jury trials written by defense counsels, legal precedents from case law.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Turkhammer on April 13, 2014, 04:52:21 am
The police won't just pull guns out on you and start shooting, unless there's already a gunfight going on(wild west, but I've never heard of this, usually the bads up an leave before cops pull up). If you DO leave the scene, you WILL have an officer approach you later to "take you in" for questioning.

Make sure you have your weapon holstered or put away before the police arrive.  They will be responding to "a man with a gun" call.  You don't want to be identified as the bad guy by the first cop to arrive with his gun drawn.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Smoothrich on April 13, 2014, 08:51:51 am
It's really amazing how you point to one fucking instance of gerrymandering, and it was about black people, conveniently ignoring that the majority of gerrymandered districts ended up as such specifically to disenfranchise black voters.

That's the point of putting all minorities into their own districts though. Shove all the blacks or hispanics into one little group, so they don't vote with white Democrats in a mixed geographic area and make a majority of districts competitive. Instead all the minorities elect 1 or 2 Democrats, and then 5-6 (for example) districts elect a Real American Republican and continue to control congress.

There is also an argument that having a majority of minority in a district allows them more equal representation, since its more likely they put someone of their own race/background into office. Of course I think a majority of Americans (who aren't batshit racists either way) would prefer someone who cares about their interests over the color of their skin though.

Also not reading this thread, but please don't equate American citizens with American police. There is a huge, and growing disconnect between the two. You don't have to tell an African-American about it, they've been on the forefront against corrupt police forces since the 60's with all-out race riots in many major cities. Nowadays, cops are growing more brazen and antagonistic against almost all American citizens, if they dare to not comply to their every whim.

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See this is why Europeans have a superiority complex when it comes to gun crime/control; 'internet Americans' give the impression that you're all sister-marrying red-necks who masturbate to images of guns on your wall, and then jizz right down the barrel of your nearest gun and say 'OH shit, Ma gun!!!' and haul your pants back up, take the gun apart and start tenderly cleaning it, then start to get a little bit excited in your pants again as you clean the inner workings of your gun, so whip your dick back out and start rubbing it up and down the outside of the barrel again.

Yeah. I love reading comment sections on all sorts of stories about American politics. Just keep in mind the majority of people posting are 70+ year old retired rednecks who spend all day "trolling libtards" over anything.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 13, 2014, 12:28:31 pm
Source?  Lawyers, books written by lawyers about self defense laws, accounts of jury trials written by defense counsels, legal precedents from case law.
Such as...........
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Prpavi on July 05, 2014, 08:45:29 pm


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Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Tovi on July 06, 2014, 01:57:17 pm
In UK too :


Welcome to the "free world".  8-)
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Osiris on July 06, 2014, 02:10:11 pm
yes that was so "brutal" tovi.... how dare they restrain someone for resisting arrest after breaking the law ^^
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on July 06, 2014, 03:10:52 pm
Oh my fucking god, in every video like that there's an annoying woman shouting.

And actually disproves Tovi's shit: how long do you think the Gestapo would have listened to a cunt shouting crap like that next to them? Would anyone even have dared? Probably not. In fact, I doubt the Russian OMON would listen to it either.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Clockworkkiller on July 06, 2014, 04:04:52 pm
Kill yourselves, all of you
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Joseph Porta on July 06, 2014, 09:05:16 pm
OH HURR DURR, AMERICAN POLICE SO BAD

LOLOLlLoLOLOLOl EU MASTUR RACE

Hah yes :D eu master race!!1
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Jeade on July 06, 2014, 10:27:25 pm
Kill yourselves, all of you

Damn, Clockwork, taking one for the team.

There's some hilariously brutal irony here in a thread about American law enforcement being edgy and forceful while an EU mod mutes someone with 98 pointer for being a "dumbass."


Anyway, carry on.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Chosen1 on July 06, 2014, 10:38:02 pm
i think ur just mad that in 240 years we built a bigger and stronger country than yours could in thousands

stay mad, europoors.

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Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Joseph Porta on July 06, 2014, 10:49:41 pm
Viva la Muriccaaaaa!
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on July 06, 2014, 10:50:40 pm
Damn, Clockwork, taking one for the team.

There's some hilariously brutal irony here in a thread about American law enforcement being edgy and forceful while an EU mod mutes someone with 98 pointer for being a "dumbass."


Anyway, carry on.
Wow, you're seriously comparing real life law enforcement (you know, which leads to deaths) to "EU forum mods" on a game forum  :lol: :lol: :lol:

The part you have in quotes applies here....
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Jeade on July 06, 2014, 10:57:35 pm
Wow, you're seriously comparing real life law enforcement (you know, which leads to deaths) to "EU forum mods" on a game forum  :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yeah, thought it was ironic on a point of principle.

I also thought it was a joke, but shit's so srs in here.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Tovi on July 07, 2014, 07:23:26 pm
The problem is the militarization of american police. They have millions dollars to equip them with tanks, Black Hawks, drones and dumdum bullets.
The sign of a more and more unequal society. After the "War on drugs", "war on terror", here is "war on poverty".
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: AntiBlitz on July 07, 2014, 08:33:42 pm
The problem is the militarization of american police. They have millions dollars to equip them with tanks, Black Hawks, drones and dumdum bullets.
The sign of a more and more unequal society. After the "War on drugs", "war on terror", here is "war on poverty".

black hawks and tanks, fuck me, which agency has those?
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Tovi on July 07, 2014, 09:20:39 pm
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Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Tovi on July 07, 2014, 09:23:13 pm
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Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Tovi on July 07, 2014, 09:25:50 pm
double post
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Tibe on July 07, 2014, 09:32:26 pm
Not a tank and thats a helicopter with armed dudes. So? Every countries policeforce has armored vehicles and helicopters.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: AntiBlitz on July 07, 2014, 09:36:51 pm
Not a tank and thats a helicopter with armed dudes. So? Every countries policeforce has armored vehicles and helicopters.

pretty much this, its an apc, and a transport helicopter, sorry, we dont have tanks with cannons and rocket pods on them, though you can think we do.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Smoothrich on July 07, 2014, 10:07:34 pm
pretty much this, its an apc, and a transport helicopter, sorry, we dont have tanks with cannons and rocket pods on them, though you can think we do.

Why are you defending bloated police budgets that are leading to every bumfuck town getting armored military vehicles and major cities having drone fleets. That shit should be considered insane by any American regardless of what your political views.

You realize SWAT teams, which function like fucking Mongolian raiders through property seizures, very often bust down the wrong house while using flashbangs, teargas, blinding lights, all sorts of shit to disorient the "druglords" inside. If you so much as reach for your constitutionally protected home-defense firearms that you always post about cuz you think you woke up in fucking Fallujah and need to protect your family, you will be executed on the spot. Even if you don't do anything they are videotaped regularly murdering people's dogs and shit.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: AntiBlitz on July 07, 2014, 11:13:34 pm
Why are you defending bloated police budgets that are leading to every bumfuck town getting armored military vehicles and major cities having drone fleets. That shit should be considered insane by any American regardless of what your political views.

You realize SWAT teams, which function like fucking Mongolian raiders through property seizures, very often bust down the wrong house while using flashbangs, teargas, blinding lights, all sorts of shit to disorient the "druglords" inside. If you so much as reach for your constitutionally protected home-defense firearms that you always post about cuz you think you woke up in fucking Fallujah and need to protect your family, you will be executed on the spot. Even if you don't do anything they are videotaped regularly murdering people's dogs and shit.

EDIT:
ya know what, never mind, you can have this conversation lol, i dont even want to begin in this thread, either way i support the "bloated budgets", "mongolian raiding", and "Fallujah" gun nuts.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Butan on July 07, 2014, 11:34:20 pm
When you rule out police errors and the justifiably armed but still shot dead denizens, there is only two scenarios left : invasion by foreign forces or civil war. And in both cases, except if you're really unlucky, you will be informed and prepared and there will be no confusion (except the inherent confusion of war).

I understand the hate on police when they use violence, even more when they use violence on the wrong people (meaning, innocent people), but it just happens. No sane mind will conclude that we need to disarm our police and let the thugs take control of our lives. Its already the case in parts of your country even with those bloated police budgets, and even taking inefficiency/corruption in the formula, I think it must mean that there is never enough money for the defense of one's soil.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Prpavi on July 08, 2014, 12:31:12 am
I also dont see a problem with seizing property which is purchased on the backs of drug money and gangbanging.   

You just described your goverments methods lel
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Angantyr on July 08, 2014, 12:38:22 am
Why are you defending bloated police budgets that are leading to every bumfuck town getting armored military vehicles and major cities having drone fleets. That shit should be considered insane by any American regardless of what your political views.

You realize SWAT teams, which function like fucking Mongolian raiders through property seizures, very often bust down the wrong house while using flashbangs, teargas, blinding lights, all sorts of shit to disorient the "druglords" inside. If you so much as reach for your constitutionally protected home-defense firearms that you always post about cuz you think you woke up in fucking Fallujah and need to protect your family, you will be executed on the spot. Even if you don't do anything they are videotaped regularly murdering people's dogs and shit.

I don't know if you guys caught it early in the thread, but this was a pretty illuminating article:

http://socnet.com/showthread.php?t=116574
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Jeade on July 08, 2014, 01:18:52 am
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Just a quick point- that's SWAT, not Highway Patrol.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Kafein on July 08, 2014, 12:44:58 pm
Oh, I finally understand why Americans need the right to use military grade weaponry : it's to defend from the SWAT assault teams when you forget to pay your parking ticket.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Vibe on July 08, 2014, 01:09:35 pm
Oh, I finally understand why Americans need the right to use military grade weaponry : it's to defend from the SWAT assault teams when you forget to pay your parking ticket.

lmfao, when you forget to pay your parking ticket they first send drones to your neighbours house and blind their children for life with flashbangs and kill their home pets then they come raid you with APCs as the dangerous criminal you are. god bless murica
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Butan on July 08, 2014, 02:01:11 pm
I don't know if you guys caught it early in the thread, but this was a pretty illuminating article: http://socnet.com/showthread.php?t=116574


I liked the article, but there is two problems with the OP logic:

He says that the police doesnt need to be heavily armed, because "less than one-eighth of 1% of homicides in the U.S. were committed with a military-grade weapon" (1991 study; 2002 and 2004 studies confirms). If he had chosen a study which analyzed the number of civilians using military-grade weapon (not necessarily killed, but just fired upon) AND in the cases of police raids (not just "in the U.S.") it would be related to the actual subject. Not to add that even handguns and rifles can kill a man. Blatant misuse of statistic.

To compare with the "improbability" of being killed by assaults rifles in the U.S., the OP then proceeds to illustrate by telling individual situations where the police use of force was disproportionnated and end up with "In my own research, I have collected over 50 examples in which innocent people were killed in raids". Over the course of fifty years since the creation of the "warrior cop", that is extremely low. Each cases are tragic, but if, as the OP said, the number of police raids increased from a few hundreds to 50,000 per year (2005 statistic), and there is not dozens hundreds of innocent bystanders killed for "nonviolent and consensual crimes" each year, I would say the police is doing a fine job.


For each death, there can be dozens of wounded/ransacked homes, this is already more of a problem.



TL;DR: not impressed by the arguments of the guy.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Tibe on July 08, 2014, 02:46:25 pm
Cops need heavy firearms to protect themselves from heavly armed criminals,
civilians need heavy firearms to protect themselves from heavly armed criminals and police,
criminals need heavy firearms to protect themselves from heavly armed civilians and police.

I still say its cause of their stupid gunlaws. Id be scared shitless of everything too if I was a US cop and was fully aware that every bloke including their cat was packing some serius heat in their basement. I dont honestly get their love for firearms. The statement "im using this to protect my family and criminals will get guns anyway" is utter bullshit and pretty much a made up practical reason to hide the fact that they just like to own guns.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Tovi on July 08, 2014, 09:15:40 pm
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Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Malaclypse on July 11, 2014, 11:59:33 pm
Been a number of no-knock raids fouled up in my neighboring city of St. Paul lately. One wound up with officers killing some dogs (even if they were charged, there are obviously other less violent options, mace, club) and cuffing some (young- under 10) year old children and having them lay next to the bodies. They wound up finding a single water-pipe and a small amount of marijuana, for which they issued the homeowner a $200 fine, the highest possible for the misdemeanor offense.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Vovka on September 15, 2014, 11:05:50 am
I bet those two policeman knocked first and then shot a suicidal guy  :twisted:
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Nehvar on September 15, 2014, 04:27:48 pm
Here's a couple more recent ones.

Police tase 8-year-old girl (http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/09/us/south-dakota-taser-lawsuit/)

Police throw a 10-year-old autistic boy on hot car to "cool off" (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/10-year-old-boy-autism-treated-police-state/)

What kind of useless piece of shit can't safely take a knife away from an 8yo girl and has to resort to a taser (flesh-barb taser, mind you)?  That one really bugs me.  What a coward.

I don't think the police image will be changing for the better any time soon.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Leshma on September 15, 2014, 04:46:00 pm
Opened the second link, seen the picture, went to read some comments... this has such racism based trololol potential but that's not my thing so I'll leave it to Xant to bait someone into "discussion".
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Butan on September 15, 2014, 04:52:57 pm
Police tase 8-year-old girl (http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/09/us/south-dakota-taser-lawsuit/)

Police throw a 10-year-old autistic boy on hot car to "cool off" (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/10-year-old-boy-autism-treated-police-state/)

Both links shows a situation where tantruming children could have potentially harmed themselves or others, police arrived, defused the situation, everyone is safe and no laws were broken, and there is something wrong?

  :?


INB4 harmless children dont have the strenght to cut with knives/scissors.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Molly on September 15, 2014, 08:53:39 pm
Guess the parents should be happy their kids are not dead :|
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Leshma on September 15, 2014, 09:10:09 pm
Second kid is autistic, would be no real loss there?  :wink: :wink:
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: brunoII on September 15, 2014, 09:20:15 pm
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: [ptx] on September 15, 2014, 09:26:07 pm
If someone still doesn't know, that video is fake and based off like a 100 year or so old anecdote. Come on.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lighthouse_and_naval_vessel_urban_legend#History
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: brunoII on September 15, 2014, 09:48:14 pm
I doubt he had come .....
should be on board the radar  :D
or the captain was blind ... or was masturbating or or .....
however, I found this video funny as sarcastically reflects the philosophy of American :D
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: sF_Guardian on September 15, 2014, 10:12:58 pm
Both links shows a situation where tantruming children could have potentially harmed themselves or others, police arrived, defused the situation, everyone is safe and no laws were broken, and there is something wrong?

  :?


INB4 harmless children dont have the strenght to cut with knives/scissors.

You must be a hard boy to be scared of 8 year old girls with knifes   :lol:
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: lombardsoup on September 15, 2014, 11:41:26 pm
Having experienced both corrupt cops and the gangbanger floatsam and jetsam of the US (I'm 10 miles away from a correctional facility), there's no real side to take.

The easy solution is to avoid any of the major 'murican cities, and thereby bypass the worst of the police, thugs, and Anon invalids.  Its as if this entire country is one big GTA parody
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Kalam on September 16, 2014, 12:45:58 am
While this particular skirmish (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/supreme_court_dispatches/2014/04/fourth_amendment_cellphone_cases_at_the_supreme_court_the_justices_are_tech.html) wasn't lost, it does suggest that many district attorneys don't care for fourth amendment rights. All it takes is enough money behind the next decision, and it'll probably end up similar to our right to propose election reform (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/03/us/politics/supreme-court-ruling-on-campaign-contributions.html).
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: lombardsoup on September 16, 2014, 01:02:02 am
While this particular skirmish (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/supreme_court_dispatches/2014/04/fourth_amendment_cellphone_cases_at_the_supreme_court_the_justices_are_tech.html) wasn't lost, it does suggest that many district attorneys don't care for fourth amendment rights. All it takes is enough money behind the next decision, and it'll probably end up similar to our right to propose election reform (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/03/us/politics/supreme-court-ruling-on-campaign-contributions.html).

Term limits for those black robed justices would be lovely.  Fuck life appointments
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Leshma on September 16, 2014, 02:20:11 am
While this particular skirmish (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/supreme_court_dispatches/2014/04/fourth_amendment_cellphone_cases_at_the_supreme_court_the_justices_are_tech.html) wasn't lost, it does suggest that many district attorneys don't care for fourth amendment rights. All it takes is enough money behind the next decision, and it'll probably end up similar to our right to propose election reform (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/03/us/politics/supreme-court-ruling-on-campaign-contributions.html).

Cellphones are easy way to track someone but not the scariest. Yes there are voice records, bunch of pictures, videos, other private documents. But using smartphone in such ways is like giving them the right to track you. Higher fidelity satellite images are what is really terrifying. Number of commercial satellites serving that very purpose is increasing every day and your government is issuing right to commercial businesses to use equipment that is capable of taking images of increasingly higher resolution. Right now I think the limit is at 50 cm for pixel size. If it stays that way, it won't be that much of a issues. But if it goes down, there might be a problem, big problem.

I'm not talking about typical conspiracy theory where USA government is tracking us, that is now taken for granted. I'm talking about having thousands of civilian companies having the same right. Soon we'll be able to see every fine detail on services on Google Street Maps and with computer technology growing by leaps and bounds in few decades those still images will be converted into real time 3D highly realistic interactive videos (practically something like video games). There will be virtually no place to hide, voluntary or not everybody will be tracked in every imaginable way by multiple parties at the same time. So far only Paypal has access to my bank account, in the future every single service provider (common term for IT companies of the future, because they will be providing various services) will have access to your bank account and not just that. Number of tracking sensors on "smart" technological units will increase and they all will be interconnected and companies will claim they won't use that data for their own gain (one huge lie). So far only smartphones are the massive thing. In the future smartwatches market will grow, smart home appliances will spread to less fortunate when they find a way to cut the prices. Augmented reality glasses and virtual reality headsets hand in hand will provide entertainment and take our privacy away, collect as much data as possible and send it to huge clusters of computers for further alysis. This is happening already, but it's going to become many order of magnitude bigger.

You think movies depicted future as scary. You know nothing. It will be million times worse. Good thing, I won't be alive for more then 50 years from now and probably won't live during the worst times that are bound to come.

After all, no one with power gives a fuck about your 200 years old fourth amendment. There are businesses to be taken care of and it doesn't matter at what cost they come.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Kalam on September 16, 2014, 02:51:10 am
Cellphones are easy way to track someone but not the scariest. Yes there are voice records, bunch of pictures, videos, other private documents. But using smartphone in such ways is like giving them the right to track you. Higher fidelity satellite images are what is really terrifying. Number of commercial satellites serving that very purpose is increasing every day and your government is issuing right to commercial businesses to use equipment that is capable of taking images of increasingly higher resolution. Right now I think the limit is at 50 cm for pixel size. If it stays that way, it won't be that much of a issues. But if it goes down, there might be a problem, big problem.

I'm not talking about typical conspiracy theory where USA government is tracking us, that is now taken for granted. I'm talking about having thousands of civilian companies having the same right. Soon we'll be able to see every fine detail on services on Google Street Maps and with computer technology growing by leaps and bounds in few decades those still images will be converted into real time 3D highly realistic interactive videos (practically something like video games). There will be virtually no place to hide, voluntary or not everybody will be tracked in every imaginable way by multiple parties at the same time. So far only Paypal has access to my bank account, in the future every single service provider (common term for IT companies of the future, because they will be providing various services) will have access to your bank account and not just that. Number of tracking sensors on "smart" technological units will increase and they all will be interconnected and companies will claim they won't use that data for their own gain (one huge lie). So far only smartphones are the massive thing. In the future smartwatches market will grow, smart home appliances will spread to less fortunate when they find a way to cut the prices. Augmented reality glasses and virtual reality headsets hand in hand will provide entertainment and take our privacy away, collect as much data as possible and send it to huge clusters of computers for further alysis. This is happening already, but it's going to become many order of magnitude bigger.

You think movies depicted future as scary. You know nothing. It will be million times worse. Good thing, I won't be alive for more then 50 years from now and probably won't live during the worst times that are bound to come.

After all, no one with power gives a fuck about your 200 years old fourth amendment. There are businesses to be taken care of and it doesn't matter at what cost they come.

I acknowledge that. It's just very depressing to ponder.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Prpavi on October 30, 2014, 12:00:38 pm

46 shots only, I'm sure you can do better than that!
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Bjord on October 30, 2014, 12:39:03 pm
Sure, Leshma, that's depressing to ponder indeed.

After all, what can we do? It's already happening.

We can simply embrace it, along with globalism, and live in a reality not much unlike the one in Atlas Cloud.

Humanity is eating away on itself.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Swaggart on October 30, 2014, 11:53:38 pm

46 shots only, I'm sure you can do better than that!

Piss poor training and discipline for cowards with guns. That's all this is.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on October 31, 2014, 12:18:52 am
Piss poor training and discipline for cowards with guns. That's all this is.
There's that, but there's a disproportionate amount of incidents like this in the U.S. The issue has to stem from a more general LE mentality in the US. Their mindset seems very, very different from European cops.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Swaggart on October 31, 2014, 12:25:32 am
There's that, but there's a disproportionate amount of incidents like this in the U.S. The issue has to stem from a more general LE mentality in the US. Their mindset seems very, very different from European cops.

There's no doubt about that.

But you also have to realize that a lot of areas have literally volunteers acting as sheriffs and deputies. These people receive little in terms of training and will seek to escalate the situation because they have no training to fall back on instead of a lot of practice firing their guns. Not to mention that many veterans end up being cops, and they retain the military mentality. When you spend your formative years in a environment where being trigger happy is a survival method it's hard to get rid of it.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on October 31, 2014, 01:07:57 am
There's no doubt about that.

But you also have to realize that a lot of areas have literally volunteers acting as sheriffs and deputies. These people receive little in terms of training and will seek to escalate the situation because they have no training to fall back on instead of a lot of practice firing their guns. Not to mention that many veterans end up being cops, and they retain the military mentality. When you spend your formative years in a environment where being trigger happy is a survival method it's hard to get rid of it.
Yeah, maybe. A lot of the former (and current) military guys I've seen speak about it tend to be very condescending towards the current generation of America's cops, though. I doubt they learn the poor trigger discipline in the military, especially since the US hasn't really been in an all out shooting war for what, ten years? From what I hear, the service members are held to very high standards abroad, and would get a lot of shit for acting like those cops.

Not sure if this was posted yet, but pretty funny. Dat training.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP0f00_JMak
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Swaggart on October 31, 2014, 02:11:16 am
Yeah, maybe. A lot of the former (and current) military guys I've seen speak about it tend to be very condescending towards the current generation of America's cops, though. I doubt they learn the poor trigger discipline in the military, especially since the US hasn't really been in an all out shooting war for what, ten years? From what I hear, the service members are held to very high standards abroad, and would get a lot of shit for acting like those cops.

Not sure if this was posted yet, but pretty funny. Dat training.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP0f00_JMak

All out shooting wars are one thing, being an occupying force is another experience altogether. It's one thing to go out on patrol and expect to see a uniformed enemy and have a shooting war - you're expecting to meet an enemy and have a proper battle. It's a whole other experience to run checkpoints in an occupied country where any car coming up to you could be loaded with explosives. It's this uncertainty that leads to frayed nerves, and sometimes really bad shit happens when you put nervous people with guns in a country with an insurgency.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Smoothrich on October 31, 2014, 08:46:16 am
All out shooting wars are one thing, being an occupying force is another experience altogether. It's one thing to go out on patrol and expect to see a uniformed enemy and have a shooting war - you're expecting to meet an enemy and have a proper battle. It's a whole other experience to run checkpoints in an occupied country where any car coming up to you could be loaded with explosives. It's this uncertainty that leads to frayed nerves, and sometimes really bad shit happens when you put nervous people with guns in a country with an insurgency.

I'm sure some inner city cops have seen more urban warfare than some returning war veterans.

I think a big issue is that being an antisocial really mean probably raging alcoholic shithead who doesn't do your job right and inappropriately escalates situations kind of guy will get you fired from just about any job, especially if you are interacting with lots of people in stressful situations daily.

But cops who fuck up and do their jobs wrong end up being "internally investigated" instead of simply fired and if laws are broken, immediately charged with crimes. Fuck you bet some shit company like Wal Mart will file charges if some employee steals or physically assaults troublesome customers.

American police forces are run like a network of decentralized paramilitaries that are accountable to no one and effectively operate outside the law, believing they simply are instruments of the law instead of citizens who should be real scared of breaking them.

Civilian led federally funded oversight committees with the power to order anyone including the chief of police to resign and face charges in court with a and a mass-culling of shitheads to nuke out destructive "cop cultures" are kinds of reform I'd like to see, but lol at that..
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Bjord on October 31, 2014, 09:42:15 am
Wrong country for that, Smooth, wrong country.

The gardai (police on Ireland) are only armed in Limerick and high crime-rate areas.

In Dublin they don't even carry guns around.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on October 31, 2014, 12:16:28 pm
Wrong country for that, Smooth, wrong country.

The gardai (police on Ireland) are only armed in Limerick and high crime-rate areas.

In Dublin they don't even carry guns around.
Guns have little to do with it. Most of the police forces in Europe are armed, yet incidents like this are rare, almost non-existent.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Bjord on October 31, 2014, 12:53:10 pm
Guns have little to do with it. Most of the police forces in Europe are armed, yet incidents like this are rare, almost non-existent.

Naturally, our social welfare bubbles are very cozy and bigger ripples are created when the Police goes trigger happy.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: protox2k on January 27, 2015, 09:25:05 am
Obama has protected us for a long time
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Tovi on March 06, 2015, 02:11:48 pm
No money, no life

Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: AntiBlitz on March 06, 2015, 03:42:09 pm
No money, no life


fuck off tovi

dont grab an officers gun /endofstory
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on March 07, 2015, 06:07:27 am
Muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuthafucka.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 12, 2015, 08:43:14 am


Some recent goodies.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: SixThumbs on April 12, 2015, 04:12:08 pm
The European Convention on Human Rights
 (http://www.hri.org/docs/ECHR50.html#C.Art2)
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SECTION I
ARTICLE 2

    Everyone's right to life shall be protected by law. No one shall be deprived of his life intentionally save in the execution of a sentence of a court following his conviction of a crime for which this penalty is provided by law.
    Deprivation of life shall not be regarded as inflicted in contravention of this article when it results from the use of force which is no more than absolutely necessary:
        (a) in defence of any person from unlawful violence;
        (b) in order to effect a lawful arrest or to prevent escape of a person lawfully detained;
        (c) in action lawfully taken for the purpose of quelling a riot or insurrection.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 12, 2015, 04:40:30 pm
And?
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: pogosan on April 12, 2015, 05:10:12 pm
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: SixThumbs on April 12, 2015, 06:01:45 pm
And?

And it's fucked up that things like that happen in the U.S. but it looks like it could be argued "deprivation of life" was legal in Walter Scott's case if it were Europe. From the little I gathered, and  uncharacteristically of the justice system in the US, that officer was also charged.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 12, 2015, 06:07:44 pm
And it's fucked up that things like that happen in the U.S. but it looks like it could be argued "deprivation of life" was legal in Walter Scott's case if it were Europe. From the little I gathered, and  uncharacteristically of the justice system in the US, that officer was also charged.
No, it couldn't be argued in Europe. What you quoted isn't law.

Also, yes, he was fired and arrested and will probably be charged for murder or homicide. But the scary part is to think what would have happened if there was no video footage. The officer's story of "stolen taser" and "afraid for his life" would very likely have been believed. And how many times has something like this happened before for the guy?
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: AntiBlitz on April 13, 2015, 01:39:04 am
he had the right idea, he just didnt reanalyze the situation and understand that it had evolved, he kept it at an escalated state when it was no longer there, cost two men their lives, which is a shame for all. 
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Siiem on April 13, 2015, 02:23:53 am
I still remember this shit, "exchanging" fire, however no gun was found in the boat.

Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on April 13, 2015, 11:24:03 am
I still remember this shit, "exchanging" fire, however no gun was found in the boat.

Hahahah, their accuracy was truly something extraordinary. I don't remember the details, but they had a very low hit percentage even on the boat and the suspect(s) inside didn't get hit, I think.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: ecorcheur_brokar on April 13, 2015, 12:51:01 pm
And it's fucked up that things like that happen in the U.S. but it looks like it could be argued "deprivation of life" was legal in Walter Scott's case if it were Europe. From the little I gathered, and  uncharacteristically of the justice system in the US, that officer was also charged.
Laws in the countries composing Europe can be more restrictive than The European Convention on Human Rights. Most of the countries in Europe have a law about proportionate usage of force depending on the situation. Shooting hobos would most likely not be considerate proportional in Europe.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Utrakil on April 13, 2015, 12:55:53 pm
next case
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Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Prpavi on June 09, 2015, 11:23:14 am
https://youtu.be/R46-XTqXkzE

land of the free and the home of the brave. god what a shithole
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: [ptx] on June 09, 2015, 12:01:55 pm
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Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Siiem on June 09, 2015, 08:12:46 pm
Y'know what. NVM, shoot em' all Murica.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/man-banned-libraries-earth-article-1.1289988
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Doom_Carrot on June 10, 2015, 02:33:41 am
It's ok, murder is upheld in the bible, so those cops just be doing gods work, right 76% of americans?

I do not agree with what these cops did; it was cruel and very unnecessary. If he was following christian principles, I DOUBT he would have done this. But I wouldn't mind if they did that to some scumbag full of shit like you.

1. Where does the Bible condone murder? Ever? Fucking idiot. I bet you'll be looking it up in the psalms palms lol.

2. Whether you, me, or anybody else likes it or not, christian principles are what made America the greatest nation on Earth. Doesn't mean you gotta like them, or be a christian, but its the truth. Maybe you should go back and take 1st grade history.

3. I see people like you attacking christians and beating them into the dirt, but not muslims, or Buddists, or anything else. Maybe its because most christians don't snap back and blow people up who make dirty jokes about Jesus. Its this thing called christian values. Thats why I'm defending them.

4. I don't see why there is so much hate for christians. Because they are hypocrites? Because they are right? Because they are just better people then you? What have christians ever DONE to you? And please don't give me bullcrap about crusaders or mormons or some cult. Thats like comparing Germans to Naz!s.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Prpavi on June 10, 2015, 02:39:49 am
I do not agree with what these cops did; it was cruel and very unnecessary. But I wouldn't mind if they did that to some scumbag full of shit like you.

1. Where does the Bible condone murder? Ever? Fucking idiot. I bet you'll be looking it up in the psalms palms lol.

2. Whether you, me, or anybody else likes it or not, christian principles are what made America the greatest nation on Earth. Doesn't mean you gotta like them, or be a christian, but its the truth. Maybe you should go back and take 1st grade history.

3. I see people like you attacking christians and beating them into the dirt, but not muslims, or Buddists, or anything else. Maybe its because most christians don't snap back and blow people up who make dirty jokes about Jesus. Its this thing called christian values. Thats why I'm defending them.

4. I don't see why there is so much hate for christians. Because they are hypocrites? Because they are right? Because they are just better people then you? What have christians ever DONE to you? And please don't give me bullcrap about crusaders or mormons or some cult. Thats like comparing Germans to Naz!s.

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Post by: Doom_Carrot on June 10, 2015, 02:45:37 am
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Hmm, thats new, can you please reference the verse in which it says that God hates my old friends?
And I'm not quite sure what you're argument is... Besides creating a straw man argument and saying that since God apparently hates homosexuals, that makes my comment incorrect.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Casul on June 10, 2015, 02:59:15 am
First of all, the Bibel is not a history book.  It is a book about christian values/morals and about interpreting it right, which is simply very very hard.

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I do not agree with what these (american) cops did; it was cruel and very unnecessary.

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christian principles are what made America the greatest nation on Earth



impl.: Obviously Polkafranzi is a legendary troll on a lvl you cant even imagine.


sec:
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I see people like you attacking christians and beating them into the dirt, but not muslims, or Buddists, or anything else. Maybe its because most christians don't snap back and blow people up who make dirty jokes about Jesus. Its this thing called christian values. Thats why I'm defending them.

I promise you, he says that to everyone, and its okay because he is a good guy. I know that. promised.


> christan values hu?  Okay, lets clarify this: I am no atheist, but I cant say I am christan nor muslim or whatever. Also no agnostic.

values.... read the bible first with a brain before you talk like this.  As far as I understood it, the new testament aka. christian values teaches us: "forgivness of sins".
So you declare yourself as "defender of your religion" while saying
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But I wouldn't mind if they did that to some scumbag full of shit like you.

third: 50k offered to first one who finds a mistake her
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Clockworkkiller on June 10, 2015, 03:12:24 am
Fuck friends
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Doom_Carrot on June 10, 2015, 03:36:58 am
First of all, the Bibel is not a history book.  It is a book about christian values/morals and about interpreting it right, which is simply very very hard.
 


impl.: Obviously Polkafranzi is a legendary troll on a lvl you cant even imagine.


sec:
I promise you, he says that to everyone, and its okay because he is a good guy. I know that. promised.


> christan values hu?  Okay, lets clarify this: I am no atheist, but I cant say I am christan nor muslim or whatever. Also no agnostic.

values.... read the bible first with a brain before you talk like this.  As far as I understood it, the new testament aka. christian values teaches us: "forgivness of sins".
So you declare yourself as "defender of your religion" while saying
third: 50k offered to first one who finds a mistake her
I am not defending my religion, I am defending another religion that is being attacked.

I'm not an atheist, but I also wouldn't call myself any religion. So I'm not being hypocritical because I do not hold myself to strict christian morals. I'm sure if I did I would be a better person, but then who would defend them from trolls like that -_-
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Clockworkkiller on June 10, 2015, 06:49:37 am
this is meleegaming, where if your not a fedora wearing level atheist, prepare your anus for endless flaming
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on June 10, 2015, 07:45:16 am
By "fedora wearing level" do you mean "level where you don't believe in Santa Claus or other supernatural beings"?
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Utrakil on June 10, 2015, 02:26:14 pm
[...] America the greatest nation on Earth.[...]
With this you showed your narrow mindset.

what about Bhutan for example. they are not fighting any war. they do not exploit other countries. they made the happiness of their people a stategoal.

or what about switzerland? they where able to stay out of any armed conflicts even when everything around them was on fire.

what about your northern neighbours. they have the same freedom but a much lower homocide rate.

fuck there are so many countries you could consider greater unless your definition of great is only landmass and military power.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Doom_Carrot on June 10, 2015, 03:59:06 pm
With this you showed your narrow mindset.

what about Bhutan for example. they are not fighting any war. they do not exploit other countries. they made the happiness of their people a stategoal.

or what about switzerland? they where able to stay out of any armed conflicts even when everything around them was on fire.

what about your northern neighbours. they have the same freedom but a much lower homocide rate.

fuck there are so many countries you could consider greater unless your definition of great is only landmass and military power.

They are nice Countries and all, But where would the world be without the existence of America today? Would we be ruled by the 3rd Reich of Naz! Germany? Would Islamic radicals have taken over the world and forced woman and anyone who isn't "them" into submission and fear? Would Communists rule every country with an Iron fist? Would The U.S.S.R iron curtain ever be lifted? Would people still be shot died trying to climb the Berlin wall for a better life? Would Latino Americans have anywhere to run to for hope of civilization and a better life for them and their children?

Granted, America has commited some atrocities like slaughtering Indians, being Imperialistic (throughout the 1700s-1900), etc. But what nation does not have any issues? The only perfect nation would be a nation without people, and thus without human nature.

I do not question whether Switz is a great nation and all, but sometimes the ONLY way to stop evil is with strength and resolve. And so far only a few nations have shown that in recent decades against evils that could not have been stopped through smiles and sweet talking. Communism spread unchecked until Reagan finally stepped up in his famous quote: "Mister Gorbachev, Tear down this wall!" H!itler fueled the flames of a dying and dispirited nation into a facist juggernaut which seemed unstoppable, and ALL the sweet talks, and peaceful negotiations, and treaty pacts, and agreements could not stop his hungry rush for power.

America has the strength to stand up for whats right, (had) once upon the time the morals to know what was right, and (was) generous and prosperous enough to help other nations, not just their own. America has been the place of making impossible dreams possible, and it has many a time been a beacon of hope in a dark world. However, to be fair and honest, Americans no longer possess many of these qualities, and thus I do not think I can honestly say that America is STILL the greatest nation on Earth. But its not too late to turn things around for the better.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Admerius on June 10, 2015, 04:20:23 pm
USA born on the fourth of July which makes its star sign...
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Do we need anymore evidence?
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Dezilagel on June 10, 2015, 04:25:24 pm
They are nice Countries and all, But where would the world be without the existence of America today? Would we be ruled by the 3rd Reich of Naz! Germany? Would Islamic radicals have taken over the world and forced woman and anyone who isn't "them" into submission and fear? Would Communists rule every country with an Iron fist? Would The U.S.S.R iron curtain ever be lifted? Would people still be shot died trying to climb the Berlin wall for a better life? Would Latino Americans have anywhere to run to for hope of civilization and a better life for them and their children?

Granted, America has commited some atrocities like slaughtering Indians, being Imperialistic (throughout the 1700s-1900), etc. But what nation does not have any issues? The only perfect nation would be a nation without people, and thus without human nature.

I do not question whether Switz is a great nation and all, but sometimes the ONLY way to stop evil is with strength and resolve. And so far only a few nations have shown that in recent decades against evils that could not have been stopped through smiles and sweet talking. Communism spread unchecked until Reagan finally stepped up in his famous quote: "Mister Gorbachev, Tear down this wall!" H!itler fueled the flames of a dying and dispirited nation into a facist juggernaut which seemed unstoppable, and ALL the sweet talks, and peaceful negotiations, and treaty pacts, and agreements could not stop his hungry rush for power.

America has the strength to stand up for whats right, (had) once upon the time the morals to know what was right, and (was) generous and prosperous enough to help other nations, not just their own. America has been the place of making impossible dreams possible, and it has many a time been a beacon of hope in a dark world. However, to be fair and honest, Americans no longer possess many of these qualities, and thus I do not think I can honestly say that America is STILL the greatest nation on Earth. But its not too late to turn things around for the better.

:shock:

For real?  :lol:
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Teeth on June 10, 2015, 06:30:33 pm
Hmm, thats new, can you please reference the verse in which it says that God hates my old friends?
Really? Nobody who has ever bothered to read the bible has any doubt whether god is a homophobe. The bible is crystal clear about this, but since you asked:

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There's more but this should be enough. You can check these in any translation you like here, but it won't matter.

https://www.biblegateway.com
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Admerius on June 10, 2015, 07:13:59 pm
You have not studied/familiarized yourself with Hermeneutics (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hermeneutics), It's the most important tool and concept to use when studying any science that is not based on math. Let me demonstrate:

Leviticus 18:22
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

Technically this is impossible anyway, the conceptualized "ideal" man and woman doesn't possess the same identity, therefore basic logic makes this passage utterly pointless. However it should be interpreted in its context which means: If you decide to "lay with a man" you should not do it in the same way as if he was a woman. It basically says: treat a man like a man when having intimate physcial relations with him.

This passage has nothing to do with homosexuality, it has to do with respecting the gender identity of your partner, it is "an abomination" to not accept and relate to their gender identity.


Leviticus 20:13
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

Again, if you don't respect the gender identity then "they shall surely be put to death". It doesn't say that it is right to kill or execute them, it just says that: "If someone disrespects their partners gender identity, they must be put to death"
This passage has no value Judgement on the act of putting someone to death so it is still wrong, it's just a necessary evil.


1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

"not men who practice homosexuality" This simply says that you are beyond god's grace when "practicing homosexuality" it says nothing about before or after the act has been performed. It ties in to shunning non-pro-creative sex, you are simply indulging in the primal driving force that was given to us to populate the earth, and by so doing will TEMPORARILY lose your favor with god. This is simply corrected if you regret doing it or try to resist it, god is after all forgiving.

Romans 1:26-28 and 32
For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done... ...
Though they know God's decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

This is one of the easiest passages to dismiss. "they deserve" to die. It doesn't say "They must be killed and it is a good deed". The one who kills someone here will surely give them what they "deserve" but will in his or her place "deserve" death for killing someone, as the ten commandments says. This passage seems to have been taken out of context as well.

Jude 1:7
Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

Sexual immorality and unnatural desires, you surely understand that they didn't know that homosexuality is perfectly natural, animals do it too!
The unnatural desires part id even easier to deal with, everything happens within nature, therefore there are no "unnatural" desires. There are of course a few exceptaions such as lusting after known supernatural entities: God, Jesus, Angels, Demons, Satan etc. I believe you understand what I mean here.

The Bible is not against homosexuality!


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Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Molly on June 10, 2015, 08:18:45 pm
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I was about to start a rant and insulting your intelligence until I opened the spoiler! You got me, good one :lol:

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And this is probably the highest grade historical delusion I've come across in this forum ever. It's up there with all the funny russians in the Ukraine-thread and Master Tovi... :lol:
Made me chuckle and shiver at the same time.

:shock:

For real?  :lol:
I would like to see that question answered tbh :D
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Doom_Carrot on June 10, 2015, 08:48:51 pm
I was about to start a rant and insulting your intelligence until I opened the spoiler! You got me, good one :lol:
And this is probably the highest grade historical delusion I've come across in this forum ever. It's up there with all the funny russians in the Ukraine-thread and Master Tovi... :lol:
Made me chuckle and shiver at the same time.
I would like to see that question answered tbh :D

I cannot determine if this is a compliment or an insult... And it would be interesting to see what the world would be like without the existence of a certain people. Probably very different then it is today.... But now we are getting into those multi dimension theory stuff so just no lets not go there
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: AntiBlitz on June 11, 2015, 01:19:08 am
Mr. Doom Carrot, as the best American on these forums, im going to have to ask you to stop your frantic posting on these forums, youre getting nowhere.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Angantyr on June 11, 2015, 02:59:08 am
christian principles are what made America the greatest nation on Earth
I thought that was WWII laying waste to all the other great nations, leaving the US, the late comer to the war with unprecedented geographical security, with half the world's wealth by 1945.

Concerning limiting, as you do, US imperialism to only Monroe Doctrine sphere of influence, how do you categorize US foreign policies since '47 and the Truman Doctrine, as it mopped up the remains of the British Empire? And during the Cold War? The Reagan Doctrine? After '89? The Bush Doctrine? US presence in the Middle-East?

Yes, the US has really been a light in the darkness. Let me just mention a few highlights in its illustrious history:

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And yes, nation states always try to sell their power politics as altruism or try to argue for the flawed logic of motive consequentialism, US isn't the first nor the last, in fact everyone does it, though few match the Anglo-American hypocrisy of the Victorian British and post-WWII USA. International affairs follow jungle law, not ethics. America is not the worst offender but neither can it claim historical exceptionalism by a long shot.

To sum it up, in the words of U.S Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler, perhaps the single most active military officer in the Banana Wars, who saw action in Honduras in 1903, served in Nicaragua enforcing American policy from 1909–1912, was awarded the Medal of Honor for his role in Veracruz in 1914, and a second Medal of Honor for bravery while 'crushing the Caco resistance' in Haiti in 1915.

Butler wrote in his famous book War Is a Racket:

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    I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Doom_Carrot on June 11, 2015, 03:14:27 am
Hahahahahah HAHAHAHA. No really I actually did chuckle reading that.

The Philippines, as well as many other islands like cuba actually became America's possesions after the Spanish American War, which was declared after an innocent cruiser was sunk by a Spanish mine off the coast of Cuba. Most of the Spanish Islands like cuba and the philippines were 3rd world shitholes, because they were ruled under the concept of MERCANTILISM-a concept that "The said country exists ONLY for the purpose of the mother country." So in other words the spanish were basically turning the islands into "slave" islands, so that the country back at home could get all the wealth from their work, and the poor cubans and others lived in misery.

This issue, along with the sinking of the U.S.S Maine, outraged Americans and the american people cried out for other country's freedom. Thus, the war began, and ended with American possession of basically all of Spain's islands. Instead of being dicks like the Spanish, America HELPED cuba, Philippines, etc establish their own government, and basically taught them to support themselves. After a few years of helping them get on their feet as INDEPENDENT countries, America let them go with their new democratic governments. Eventually, Cuba obviously eventually fell to communism, and the Philippines to Guerillas.

This is 100% historically accurate-literally just basically copy pasted this out of a world history textbook, because I wasn't clear on all the facts.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Clockworkkiller on June 11, 2015, 03:23:05 am
What happened to the love
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Angantyr on June 11, 2015, 03:26:51 am
What I write is from the official record, none of it is controversial. The US kept its economic stranglehold on the country after its supposed 'self-determination' rhetoric. That was the realpolitik imperative of the Monroe Doctrine.

I recommend reading more sources and more details about the invasion and US influence in Latin America, your attitude level exceeds your information level.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Doom_Carrot on June 11, 2015, 03:31:35 am
What I write is from the official record, nothing of it is controversial. The US kept it's economic stranglehold on the country after its supposed 'self-determination' rhetoric. That was the realpolitik imperative of the Monroe Doctrine.

I recommend reading more sources and more details about the invasion and US influence in Latin America, if you're interested.

 I can't take this ignorant crap anymore. Now Americans invaded Latin America as well? You're going way to far. You're making America out to be some demonic war machine that stomps on everybody's freedom and just wants to destroy everybody. 

America was built on free enterprise, its always been about free enterprise. The ignorance here is just too much now.  :mad: You can party now, I'm out.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Angantyr on June 11, 2015, 03:44:09 am
Yes, as a simple search would have told you, the US has invaded Latin America many times.
http://faculty.chass.ncsu.edu/griffin/ps543/Timeline%20of%20US-Latin%20American%20Relations%20since%201823.htm (NC University)

I urge you to check the sources on any of the facts stated in my original post.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Angantyr on June 11, 2015, 04:48:37 am
double post please delete
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: BlindGuy on June 11, 2015, 05:51:39 am
Yes, as a simple search would have told you, the US has invaded Latin America many times.
http://faculty.chass.ncsu.edu/griffin/ps543/Timeline%20of%20US-Latin%20American%20Relations%20since%201823.htm (NC University)

I urge you to check the sources on any of the facts stated in my original post.

Dude are you retarded? You are trying to teach a product of the US school system about actual historical events and situations. You might aswell tell Christians about the futility of following the mandates of a book written by people who needed a guide to know that killing each other is bad.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Teeth on June 11, 2015, 09:11:51 am
What I write is from the official record, none of it is controversial.
Well, he's got a point that the Philippines were not a French colony as you wrote, but a Spanish one. Though perhaps it was just a typo on your part.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Siiem on June 11, 2015, 10:37:00 am
a product of the US school system

 :lol:
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Dezilagel on June 11, 2015, 01:00:36 pm


Btw Doom_Carrot: Do you know what a carrot injected with 'doom' actually is?
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Doom_Carrot on June 11, 2015, 01:23:59 pm
Btw Doom_Carrot: Do you know what a carrot injected with 'doom' actually is?

Probably something phallic.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: ecorcheur_brokar on June 11, 2015, 02:14:18 pm

I do not question whether Switz is a great nation and all, but sometimes the ONLY way to stop evil is with strength and resolve. And so far only a few nations have shown that in recent decades against evils that could not have been stopped through smiles and sweet talking. Communism spread unchecked until Reagan finally stepped up in his famous quote: "Mister Gorbachev, Tear down this wall!" H!itler fueled the flames of a dying and dispirited nation into a facist juggernaut which seemed unstoppable, and ALL the sweet talks, and peaceful negotiations, and treaty pacts, and agreements could not stop his hungry rush for power.

America has the strength to stand up for whats right, (had) once upon the time the morals to know what was right, and (was) generous and prosperous enough to help other nations, not just their own. America has been the place of making impossible dreams possible, and it has many a time been a beacon of hope in a dark world. However, to be fair and honest, Americans no longer possess many of these qualities, and thus I do not think I can honestly say that America is STILL the greatest nation on Earth. But its not too late to turn things around for the better.
Hehe it's funny the two thing great things that america has done you listed, america was taking part in it but was not the major cause. chocolate chip cookie Germany fell thanks to USSR, america interviened in the war when Germany was already loosing to USSR. And USSR and berlin wall did not fall thanks to america but thanks to Gorbatchev and the people of Germany and Russia.
I must admit it could have been worse if another nation was the most powerfull, but it could also be really better (see argantyr post). If a less interventionist state (India or Germany) was the most powerfull country, the world would be in a much better state imo. The only good thing America has brought to the world would be its powerfull justice system that is working pretty well compared to others.

@Argantyr: Under Suharto, the suppression of politcal oposition killed even more than the ethnic cleansing of timor-east. More than 500'000 people were killed across indonesia with the support of US gouvernement.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Angantyr on June 11, 2015, 03:22:48 pm
Well, he's got a point that the Philippines were not a French colony as you wrote, but a Spanish one. Though perhaps it was just a typo on your part.
Ah yes, didn't even notice, was getting late. I've corrected it.



For anyone interested in the period I can recommend Dan Carlin's podcast on the Spanish-American war and its aftermath: http://www.dancarlin.com/product/hardcore-history-49-the-american-peril/

The 'liberation' of the Philippines was brutal, destruction of villages, mass-slaughter, concentration camps and torture to such a degree it led to Senate hearings on U.S activities there.


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American soldiers pose after the massacre of Moro men, women and children.



@Argantyr: Under Suharto, the suppression of politcal oposition killed even more than the ethnic cleansing of timor-east. More than 500'000 people were killed across indonesia with the support of US gouvernement.
Yes, Suharto was an absolutely brutal dictator, who got British and Australian support aswell. The British even gave him aircraft during the invasion.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Dezilagel on June 11, 2015, 04:09:04 pm
Probably something phallic.

It's just a regular vegetable. Only slightly more dense.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Siiem on June 12, 2015, 10:07:26 pm
https://www.facebook.com/robdenbleyker/posts/10152652349504998
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Doom_Carrot on June 12, 2015, 10:11:37 pm
Ah yes, didn't even notice, was getting late. I've corrected it.



For anyone interested in the period I can recommend Dan Carlin's podcast on the Spanish-American war and its aftermath: http://www.dancarlin.com/product/hardcore-history-49-the-american-peril/

The 'liberation' of the Philippines was brutal, destruction of villages, mass-slaughter, concentration camps and torture to such a degree it led to Senate hearings on U.S activities there.


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American soldiers pose after the massacre of Moro men, women and children.


Yes, Suharto was an absolutely brutal dictator, who got British and Australian support aswell. The British even gave him aircraft during the invasion.

Dude, those pictures are not proof of anything. They are black and white, so it is impossible to prove those are Americans. And everybody knows that people from the Philippines are evil.  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philistines
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Siiem on June 12, 2015, 10:45:12 pm
They are black and white, so it is impossible to prove those are Americans

Wat...
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on June 12, 2015, 11:16:10 pm
Wat...
What didn't you understand, motherfucker? Don't you know what black and white means?
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Doom_Carrot on June 12, 2015, 11:17:51 pm
Wat...

The picture. Its black. And its white. Its kinda like interracial porn.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Siiem on June 12, 2015, 11:51:31 pm
The picture. Its black. And its white. Its kinda like interracial porn.

Does this mean americans can't tell the difference between ethnicities if the pictures are in nig... black and normal?
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on June 13, 2015, 12:01:47 am
Does this mean americans can't tell the difference between ethnicities if the pictures are in nig... black and normal?
Yes, obviously, do you literally not know anything?
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Doom_Carrot on June 13, 2015, 03:08:38 am
Does this mean americans can't tell the difference between ethnicities if the pictures are in nig... black and normal?

Obviously, thats why we have color pictures now, so people can complain about racism.

If the pool party cop video was in black and white no one would have known any better and nothing would have happened. This is like 3rd grade photography dude.

Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Leshma on June 13, 2015, 03:25:08 am
US school system sux

What have you got against homeschooling? Isn't Tim Tebow living proof that it works?

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Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: AntiBlitz on June 13, 2015, 02:44:39 pm
I worked with a dude who was homeschooled once.

The first time I met him, went on to inform me that he was in fact properly socialized, so me and him should get along fine.

But seriously, fuck that guy. Don't homeschool your kids.

the fact he had to tell you that was a clear indication of his social abilities.  I grew up with some neighbors who homeschooled their children, 3 of them, and they were indeed the most awkward people to be around.  The youngest of the three eventually asked to be put in the public high school once she was of age, and honestly, i felt kind of bad for her at first, but those 4 years opened her up quite a lot.  Her older siblings did that weird socialization club shit for homeschooled children and they were still fucking weird.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Tibe on June 13, 2015, 03:16:17 pm
Homeschooling should be illegal in US kinda like it is in most of Europe. Its not about acing the state exams, theres a fuckton of other merits aswell. I read the statistics a bit and the main reason is that the parents are scared of the schoolenvironment. Now thats a legit fear, yeah, but the schoolenvironment is a lot safer than the real world. What happens when you one day stop homeschooling and the poor isolated bastards have to cope with the hardships they never had to encounter before. Like social rejection for example.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on June 13, 2015, 03:22:54 pm
I've also heard from Americans that the homeschooled people they know are really frigging weird, so it seems like no coincidence..
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Doom_Carrot on June 13, 2015, 04:35:02 pm
Being homeschooled, I feel like I must tell you that everything just said is not true. Many of my friends are homeschooled, many are not.

I have friends from many areas of life, and honestly find myself to be very busy with all the social activities I do. I learn alot more than any public schoolers, because I don't text people on my phone all day while falling asleep to a monotone teacher's voice. I got the presidential gold volunteer award 3 years in a row, and am an active part of my community. I have seen many of my friends go from public school to homeschool, but never the other way around. Also it helps keep families closer. My mom read me bedtime stories before tucking me in to bed until I was 15, and my brothers and I spent alot of days playing board games together or taking walks around the block and talking about our life goals.

However, it can be weird too, I agree. Sometimes when in public I didn't know what to say to people. I always got made fun of for hiding in my house all day by the big kids down the block. I was on an airplane once and I was scared so I brought my stuffed frog with hearts on it (a valentine's day present) and I got a lot of mean looks and glares. So people can be stupid about it but homeschooling is good. I fully support it so knock it off.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on June 13, 2015, 04:47:01 pm
I learn alot
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Post by: Doom_Carrot on June 13, 2015, 05:17:02 pm
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And I got one of the highest scores possible on my PSAT and SAT and easily made it into the top 5 percentile.

You have no idea what you're talking about
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Tibe on June 13, 2015, 05:37:15 pm
To tell you the truth Carrot, we kinda noticed you being different quite fast. Like what ptx said, naive.

There is the actual massive flaw. Based on what you said. You were freaking lucky that you had such parents and friends. So basically however your child turns out is 100% dependent on the parents. Which, I think I dont have to tell you, why is bad. Because parents are hardly ever so wise and have enough time to fully pull it off even partially effectively. And sometimes parents who home school(even the best) are incapable of teaching their kids how to deal with assholes, schemers, peer pressure, bullies etc. It builds overall character. Yes, it might be a slightly hostile environment, but you will inevitably come across all that in later life. You think you could cope? I honestly dont.

Again to tell you the truth Carrot, you seem most likely from all of us to lose all your money in a pyramidscheme. :lol:
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Doom_Carrot on June 13, 2015, 05:44:09 pm
To tell you the truth Carrot, we kinda noticed you being different quite fast. Like what ptx said, naive.

There is the actual massive flaw. Based on what you said. You were freaking lucky that you had such parents and friends. So basically however your child turns out is 100% dependent on the parents. Which, I think I dont have to tell you, why is bad. Because parents are hardly ever so wise and have enough time to fully pull it off even partially effectively. And sometimes parents who home school(even the best) are incapable of teaching their kids how to deal with assholes, schemers, peer pressure, bullies etc. It builds overall character. Yes, it might be a slightly hostile environment, but you will inevitably come across all that in later life. You think you could cope? I honestly dont.

Again to tell you the truth Carrot, you seem most likely from all of us to lose all your money in a pyramidscheme. :lol:

Don't worry its ok, when bullies break into my house sometimes I smack them with my firepoker that I keep under my bed. I know how to deal with schemers and assholes and wurmples and wild bundle of stickss.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Leshma on June 13, 2015, 05:47:05 pm
To tell you the truth Carrot, we kinda noticed you being different quite fast. Like what ptx said, naive.

There is the actual massive flaw. Based on what you said. You were freaking lucky that you had such parents and friends. So basically however your child turns out is 100% dependent on the parents. Which, I think I dont have to tell you, why is bad. Because parents are hardly ever so wise and have enough time to fully pull it off even partially effectively. And sometimes parents who home school(even the best) are incapable of teaching their kids how to deal with assholes, schemers, peer pressure, bullies etc. It builds overall character. Yes, it might be a slightly hostile environment, but you will inevitably come across all that in later life. You think you could cope? I honestly dont.

Again to tell you the truth Carrot, you seem most likely from all of us to lose all your money in a pyramidscheme. :lol:

To me, Carrot dude seems like massive wannabe troll, but that must be because I'm searching for my own traits in other people.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Xant on June 13, 2015, 06:12:31 pm
And I got one of the highest scores possible on my PSAT and SAT and easily made it into the top 5 percentile.

You have no idea what you're talking about
What did I talk about? I thought it was a picture. Did they not teach you the difference in the school of homes?
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Vibe on June 13, 2015, 06:17:48 pm
Being homeschooled, I feel like I must tell you that everything just said is not true. Many of my friends are homeschooled, many are not.

I have friends from many areas of life, and honestly find myself to be very busy with all the social activities I do. I learn alot more than any public schoolers, because I don't text people on my phone all day while falling asleep to a monotone teacher's voice. I got the presidential gold volunteer award 3 years in a row, and am an active part of my community. I have seen many of my friends go from public school to homeschool, but never the other way around. Also it helps keep families closer. My mom read me bedtime stories before tucking me in to bed until I was 15, and my brothers and I spent alot of days playing board games together or taking walks around the block and talking about our life goals.

However, it can be weird too, I agree. Sometimes when in public I didn't know what to say to people. I always got made fun of for hiding in my house all day by the big kids down the block. I was on an airplane once and I was scared so I brought my stuffed frog with hearts on it (a valentine's day present) and I got a lot of mean looks and glares. So people can be stupid about it but homeschooling is good. I fully support it so knock it off.

Is this trolling? I can't tell
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Utrakil on June 13, 2015, 06:20:00 pm
pretty shure it is.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Tibe on June 13, 2015, 06:22:20 pm
I legit think he's not. People, this calls for another game of  troll or reals.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Utrakil on June 13, 2015, 06:24:15 pm
he's throwing bait all over the place.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Panos_ on June 13, 2015, 06:25:02 pm
Being homeschooled, I feel like I must tell you that everything just said is not true. Many of my friends are homeschooled, many are not.

I have friends from many areas of life, and honestly find myself to be very busy with all the social activities I do. I learn alot more than any public schoolers, because I don't text people on my phone all day while falling asleep to a monotone teacher's voice. I got the presidential gold volunteer award 3 years in a row, and am an active part of my community. I have seen many of my friends go from public school to homeschool, but never the other way around. Also it helps keep families closer. My mom read me bedtime stories before tucking me in to bed until I was 15, and my brothers and I spent alot of days playing board games together or taking walks around the block and talking about our life goals.

However, it can be weird too, I agree. Sometimes when in public I didn't know what to say to people. I always got made fun of for hiding in my house all day by the big kids down the block. I was on an airplane once and I was scared so I brought my stuffed frog with hearts on it (a valentine's day present) and I got a lot of mean looks and glares. So people can be stupid about it but homeschooling is good. I fully support it so knock it off.

What a yuppie.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Tibe on June 13, 2015, 07:01:14 pm
he's throwing bait all over the place.

We thought so about Nightmare too at first, but it turned out the man was actually retarded. No bait was used.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Doom_Carrot on June 13, 2015, 07:33:25 pm
he's throwing bait all over the place.

I'm a really good fisher actually, I catch large mouth bass all the time down at the lake, and I sometimes fish for crappie and perch. The crappie love the little hooks with the green eye on it if you put a little rubber grub on it. Then you grind up the fishes like sausages, and make balls out of them, put a little block of chedder in the middle, roll the fish balls in dough, and fry them in coconut oil. Its delicous.

But yeah the more bait you throw the more fish you catch, If you are sea fishing you normally have like 5 hooks on one line and you get like 3 fishes in one cast. Or if you can throw out some trolling lines behind the boat and just watch them for bites as your fishing. Then you real em in and they have no idea whats going on as they are pulled in a direction they didn't mean to go in.  :lol:
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Tibe on June 13, 2015, 07:41:05 pm
God fucking damn it Utrakil, you were right.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Kafein on June 15, 2015, 06:15:24 pm
Or maybe he's just a really self-aware retard.

By the way I almost decided to print Admerius's post on page 25 and frame it on my wall.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: WarLord on June 15, 2015, 06:25:29 pm
Is this trolling? I can't tell

Maybe it's telling. I can't troll
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Utrakil on June 15, 2015, 06:27:55 pm
I not only call troll, I call a returning veteran player with a new cd key since he became so active and vocal so suddenly from nowhere.
I had that very same thought but his appearance here started with a bunch of question about strat that would have been quite difficult to come up with for a veteran.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Leshma on July 04, 2015, 03:24:39 pm
Large Scale Hypocrisy: Leland Yee, Most Anti-Gun Senator in the US, Pleads Guilty to Gun Running (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/large-scale-hypocrisy-leland-yee-anti-gun-senator-us-pleads-guilty-gun-running/)

Known to be against violent video games.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: AntiBlitz on July 04, 2015, 04:38:49 pm
Large Scale Hypocrisy: Leland Yee, Most Anti-Gun Senator in the US, Pleads Guilty to Gun Running (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/large-scale-hypocrisy-leland-yee-anti-gun-senator-us-pleads-guilty-gun-running/)

Known to be against violent video games.

please keep swallowing all that anti-American cock, it does you well.

This has nothing to do with this thread, and thats a biased news source.
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Leshma on July 04, 2015, 04:56:10 pm
Of course it is biased news source. Could link Forbes, ABC, CNN, but I've purposely chosen this website just to annoy the like of you, homeschooled you know what :wink:

Doesn't have much to do with this particular topic but doesn't deserve separate topic so I put it in here. This thread should be renamed Meanwhile in USA.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Xant on July 04, 2015, 06:55:07 pm
Your command is my wish.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Leshma on July 04, 2015, 07:48:56 pm
Thank you, based Xant.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: LordBerenger on July 05, 2015, 07:58:15 pm
Meanwhile in USA....

Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Turkhammer on July 06, 2015, 04:11:43 am
USA WINS WORLD CUP BY A SCORE OF 5-2!
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Havelle on August 25, 2015, 08:39:03 pm
Why did the admins have to break Doom Carrot?
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Leshma on November 04, 2015, 04:45:49 pm
Hacktivist Group "Anonymous" Exposes US Senators as Alleged Members of the KKK (http://thepoliticus.com/content/hacktivist-group-anonymous-exposes-us-senators-alleged-members-kkk)
Title: Re: Law enforcement in America.
Post by: Clockworkkiller on November 04, 2015, 05:00:20 pm
Forbes, ABC, CNN

He thinks these ones arent biased :D
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Leshma on November 06, 2015, 02:54:40 pm
Question for you, dear Americans. Is there a single presidential candidate, political organization, force of nature interested in bringing the shackles of justice to huge American corporations of today who evade paying taxes big time? Or is that something you don't even consider, tell yourself its the commie way and is against the will of your God?

Your good neighbor UK seems to have a lot of trouble with the likes of Google, Amazon, Apple and other fine companies that do their business globally. They found loopholes in ancient laws that aren't ready for digital age, to evade paying taxes every other citizen is obliged to pay.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Leshma on November 06, 2015, 11:18:22 pm
US Tax Evasion Cases: Apple, GE Among American Companies Holding $2.1 Trillion In Offshore Accounts (http://www.ibtimes.com/us-tax-evasion-cases-apple-ge-among-american-companies-holding-21-trillion-offshore-2129580)

Panem et circenses.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Asheram on November 07, 2015, 01:13:17 am
happy fishing
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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Turkhammer on November 08, 2015, 05:10:59 am
US Tax Evasion Cases: Apple, GE Among American Companies Holding $2.1 Trillion In Offshore Accounts (http://www.ibtimes.com/us-tax-evasion-cases-apple-ge-among-american-companies-holding-21-trillion-offshore-2129580)

Panem et circenses.

As long as they keep paying me high dividends, I'm happy.

Carpe diem.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Molly on November 08, 2015, 10:16:27 am
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/06/us/louisiana-police-shooting-marksville.html?_r=0
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Butan on November 10, 2015, 01:31:16 pm
The first version of the police include, fleeing from a warrant, leading to a chase, and using his car to possibly harm policemen.
But I also read that this version has now changed, that footage was recovered, and that the dude was shot in his stopped car, hands up, and there was actually no warrant and it was a random encounter.
No words on the passenger boy, except as an accidental death.

So, good cop-bad situation or bad cop-power trip?

Any info on the background of the policemen and the man named Chris Few?
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Bronto on November 10, 2015, 02:51:00 pm
Accidental deaths are great, cos you get to ignore them when compiling the stats on homicides/shootings in your area.

Guns aren't the problem Heskeytime. They could've just as easily strangled them.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: cup457 on November 10, 2015, 03:59:07 pm
Do you all really think any of us honestly like police? Most polic/ sheriffs are complete assholes for no reason and its been this way for decades.
Title: Racism in Missouri, USA
Post by: Leshma on November 13, 2015, 02:56:08 pm
In order to protect free speech we must have a serious discussion on this subject. Who's willing to step up and start the conversation?
Title: Re: Racism in Missouri, USA
Post by: LordBerenger on November 13, 2015, 03:08:11 pm
In order to protect free speech we must have a serious discussion on this subject. Who's willing to step up and start the conversation?

A dead názi a day keeps the doctor away
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Clockworkkiller on November 13, 2015, 10:59:45 pm
do euros still squat in porcelain holes or have they finally upgraded to toliets
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Asheram on November 18, 2015, 04:04:14 am
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Grytviken on November 18, 2015, 09:56:57 am

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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Asheram on November 18, 2015, 06:13:18 pm
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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Utrakil on November 23, 2015, 02:14:49 pm
A Texas state legislator wants the U.S. to stop allowing Syrian refugees into the country. His reasoning: They might be able to buy guns in his state.
 :D So mighty logic :D
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/11/17/3722968/nra-texas-rep-no-syrians-gun-access/ (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/11/17/3722968/nra-texas-rep-no-syrians-gun-access/)
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Xant on November 23, 2015, 03:13:43 pm
A Texas state legislator wants the U.S. to stop allowing Syrian refugees into the country. His reasoning: They might be able to buy guns in his state.
 :D So mighty logic :D
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/11/17/3722968/nra-texas-rep-no-syrians-gun-access/ (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/11/17/3722968/nra-texas-rep-no-syrians-gun-access/)
And what, exactly, is wrong with his logic? I think you'll find the only one that has problems with logic is you.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Utrakil on November 24, 2015, 01:29:40 am
And what, exactly, is wrong with his logic? I think you'll find the only one that has problems with logic is you.
Try again :D
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Rhekimos on November 24, 2015, 12:32:54 pm
http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/11/with-160-billion-merger-pfizer-moves-to-ireland-and-dodges-taxes/

A small Dublin-based drug company will technically buy the US-based pharmaceutical behemoth Pfizer.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Sir_Hans on November 26, 2015, 09:00:52 am
A Texas state legislator wants the U.S. to stop allowing Syrian refugees into the country. His reasoning: They might be able to buy guns in his state.
 :D So mighty logic :D
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/11/17/3722968/nra-texas-rep-no-syrians-gun-access/ (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/11/17/3722968/nra-texas-rep-no-syrians-gun-access/)

31 State Governors don't want Syrian refugees in their states.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/16/world/paris-attacks-syrian-refugees-backlash/
Taking in about 25,000 muslim Refugees from the middle east alone each year is just asking for trouble... If they came from a stable country where we could get background checks on them and they had a good source of records on themselves that would be one thing... But letting someone in with little more than a birth certificate is just asking for trouble. What's stopping ISIS posing as refugees to send a terrorist strike team into their most hated enemy country of infidels the U.S.A.? They should at least submit every refugee to a polygraph test and ask them specific set of questions to weed out potential terrorists, and they should speak english, and they should be able to pay for their own transportation and settling costs and begin paying taxes immediately. In most cases they don't do any of this.

It's like the taxpayers are paying to settle these people within the united states and give them jobs at not only a financial cost but a cost to the security of citizens.

Even if only 1 in 10,000 refugees supports isis... that's about 7 ISIS supporters getting settled in the US per year.
Hell even if every single refugee is a peaceful follower of islam that would never commit any terrorist attacks or support terrorism... that doesn't mean their children who they will have in the future in the U.S. won't get bullied and excluded from the normal public because of their ethnicity and then form radical ideas and commit terrorist attacks in return. That's basically how the majority of the most violent gangs inside the U.S. were created... immigrant's children banding together because they got picked on and then fucking with everyone else... Nostra Familia, MS-13, Bloods and Crips.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Smoothrich on November 26, 2015, 09:36:57 am
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Sir_Hans on November 26, 2015, 09:58:43 am
CNN is biased or over-sensationalized, I'll give you that. But I wouldn't call their content fake...

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/these-are-the-states-refusing-to-take-syrian-refugees-2015-11-17
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/u-s-governors-dont-have-power-to-refuse-refugees-access-to-their-states/
http://abcnews.go.com/US/states-refuse-accept-syrian-refugees-wake/story?id=35231800
http://www.npr.org/2015/11/17/456336432/more-governors-oppose-u-s-resettlement-of-syrian-refugees
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Smoothrich on November 26, 2015, 10:06:08 am
I read CNN at least for headlines because they aren't slid under the Propagandist's Pen, but I subscribe to DC think tanks like CSIS Brookings etc on Youtube and BBC radio podcasts and watch PBS Frontline docs for honest analysis to not become retarded and think in memespeak.

I also read Salon.com daily for years for my Two Minutes Hate at the Communists like a Real American should lol
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Asheram on November 27, 2015, 11:13:59 pm
Wow, just wow lol.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: AntiBlitz on November 28, 2015, 02:30:45 pm
Wow, just wow lol.

has to be fake.  There is cooker pots all over the floor and she takes the one from a child, and then out of nowhere just starts pushing that lady.  There is no way that wasnt a setup.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Butan on November 28, 2015, 02:40:12 pm
Even if it was not fake, I dont see how this would be a USA issue, this happens in all first world countries with big sales and big open markets.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Angantyr on November 28, 2015, 03:00:35 pm
Do something similar really happen in other parts of Europe? I was, perhaps mistakenly, under the impression that this sort of sale frenzy (not the part with the kid particularly) was a predominantly American phenomenon. I've never seen anything like it here, everyone seems calm even on something like Black Friday.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Butan on November 28, 2015, 03:24:19 pm
Cant say this is more predominant in the USA or not, but I have definitely seen some comparable madness here in Europe. Going flat on the ground when hypermarket opens, and running to such or such aisle to get your toy first...
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Kafein on November 28, 2015, 03:44:13 pm
I think we had similar episodes on some console launch days.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Xant on November 28, 2015, 05:26:07 pm
Really goes to show how easily the thin veneer of civilization is stripped away.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Asheram on November 29, 2015, 01:21:47 am
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: WarLord on November 29, 2015, 10:19:59 am
I ordered something online on black friday, where's the problem?  :D
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Falka on November 29, 2015, 11:53:11 am
Aren't they ashamed of themselves? If it was free food and they were some sort of beggars... Well, maybe they are. Mental beggars, that's it.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Butan on November 29, 2015, 12:05:12 pm
Aren't they ashamed of themselves?

They probs are, but the crowd being a good way to not stand out...  :P
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Nebun on November 29, 2015, 12:14:25 pm
barbarians
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Sir_Hans on November 29, 2015, 07:35:25 pm
http://blackfridaydeathcount.com/

Highlights from previous years:

Death by stampede
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/worker-dies-li-wal-mart-stampede-article-1.334059

Man collapses and dies as shoppers ignore him and even step over him as he is dying on the ground.
Seems like there were a few good samaritans who attempted CPR and stayed with him til paramedics arrived though, according to the victim's widow.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/27/black-friday-target_n_1115372.html

black friday shopper pepper sprays other shoppers so she can get to the xbox consoles first :3
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/26/black-friday-pepper-spray-shopper-turns-self-in_n_1114486.html



These people have issues... I'd rather pay full price than devolve into a fucking ape to save 50% off some random bullshit I wont need or use in 5 years.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Grytviken on November 29, 2015, 07:40:47 pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber_Monday

better deals anyways.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Prpavi on November 30, 2015, 11:44:44 am
they may be ignorant gun wielding capitalist trash, but I'd take them over mother Russia any day, sry
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Falka on February 20, 2016, 07:10:14 pm
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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Turkhammer on February 21, 2016, 05:05:14 am
EU 18,460,646
US 17,419,000
CHN 10,360,105
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Xant on April 05, 2017, 12:45:10 pm
Bump
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Molly on April 05, 2017, 06:25:17 pm
Bump
You can't just bump this without feeding the fire...
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: njames89 on April 05, 2017, 06:54:17 pm
You can't just bump this without feeding the fire...

Americans North and South are better in every way than Europeons.

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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Asheram on April 05, 2017, 08:37:33 pm
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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Kadeth on April 06, 2017, 05:53:18 am
both 'muricans and europoors are trash tier and will be easily triggered by this fact
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Ikarus on April 06, 2017, 09:42:48 am
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underrated reaction  :lol:
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Xant on April 06, 2017, 01:49:38 pm
You can't just bump this without feeding the fire...
Oh yeah? Well, I just did. Whatchu gon' do about it... bitch?
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: njames89 on April 06, 2017, 01:51:54 pm
Whatchu gon' do about it... bitch?

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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Molly on April 06, 2017, 02:52:16 pm
Oh yeah? Well, I just did. Whatchu gon' do about it... bitch?
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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Jona on April 06, 2017, 04:29:53 pm
both 'muricans and europoors are trash tier and will be easily triggered by this fact

Your whole country is a prison.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Leshma on April 06, 2017, 10:12:52 pm
Oh yeah? Well, I just did. Whatchu gon' do about it... bitch?

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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Bronto on April 06, 2017, 10:21:06 pm
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Are they making a sequel to Powder where he joins fight club?

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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Kadeth on April 07, 2017, 12:50:38 am
Your whole country is a prison.

what did you just say, cheeseburger? i can't hear you over the school shooting in the background
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Leshma on April 07, 2017, 01:04:15 am
I always wondered why so few school shootings happen in land down under. Do you go to school?
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Kadeth on April 07, 2017, 01:37:45 am
I always wondered why so few school shootings happen in land down under. Do you go to school?

it's probably a combination of australian culture being very anti-gun, strict gun laws and punishment for naughty gun owners, and the fact that getting a gun license is painfully hard and takes months

and no we don't go to school, can't you tell by how autistic i am?
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Leshma on April 07, 2017, 03:02:10 am
Autistic? No.

Bogan? Kinda :P

I heard all about it from an aussie hipster named Garick.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Kadeth on April 07, 2017, 04:21:58 am
Bogan? Kinda :P

i've never been called a bogan before... you've taken this too far leshy. you win
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: njames89 on April 07, 2017, 12:58:15 pm
Trump has found the cruz missile button:
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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Gravoth_iii on April 07, 2017, 04:02:49 pm
No cassualties, come on Trump, isnt it the standard to at least kill 10 civilians per bomb?
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: njames89 on April 07, 2017, 05:10:16 pm
6 Casualties, no Russian casualties
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Gravoth_iii on April 07, 2017, 05:45:39 pm
6 Casualties, no Russian casualties

My bad, still slacking tho. The russian puppet would obviously not hit russians. The russians are behind all of this.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: njames89 on April 07, 2017, 06:36:59 pm
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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Turkhammer on April 07, 2017, 07:50:15 pm
No cassualties, come on Trump, isnt it the standard to at least kill 10 civilians per bomb?

Gotta use Sarin to assure that.  Talk to Putin.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Molly on April 08, 2017, 09:12:49 am
4 dead kids reported... tho I wonder why kids run around a military air base... but those count double, plus some other people...

T'is double digit alright.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Gravoth_iii on April 08, 2017, 03:22:37 pm

Surprised this is on CNN.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Gravoth_iii on April 10, 2017, 10:01:23 pm
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/San-Bernardino-North-Park-Elementary-School-Shooting-419054974.html

Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Asheram on April 10, 2017, 10:40:48 pm
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/San-Bernardino-North-Park-Elementary-School-Shooting-419054974.html
That wasn't a school shooting just to mindlessly kill people. The shooter knew the female teacher and apparently went there to murder her and commit suicide, 2 kids got caught by stray bullets.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: njames89 on April 11, 2017, 04:44:03 am
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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Gravoth_iii on April 11, 2017, 04:49:38 am
That wasn't a school shooting just to mindlessly kill people. The shooter knew the female teacher and apparently went there to murder her and commit suicide, 2 kids got caught by stray bullets.

Shouldnt have let him have a gun then, stray knife swings are less scary.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Asheram on April 11, 2017, 05:16:12 am
Shouldnt have let him have a truck then, stray knife swings are less scary.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Grytviken on April 11, 2017, 11:37:32 am
Shouldnt have let him have a gun then, stray knife swings are less scary.

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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Gravoth_iii on April 11, 2017, 04:29:10 pm
Shouldnt have let him have a truck then, stray knife swings are less scary.

Shouldnt have let in the immigrant to drive the truck, since he was denied living in sweden.

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Thats just malmö, no one gives a shit about that place, its too far gone.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Asheram on April 11, 2017, 09:22:12 pm
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: njames89 on April 11, 2017, 11:41:27 pm
Imagine what the cops would have done if he was black...

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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Asheram on April 11, 2017, 11:53:44 pm
"NBC News confirms that it has positively identified the man being removed from the plane as Dr. David Dao. Dao, who practices medicine in Elizabethtown, was randomly bumped from the flight. When he was asked to deboard the plane, he refused and the ensuing scuffle was captured on multiple cell phone cameras.

It's not the Doctor's first run-in with the media spotlight. Dao's license was briefly suspended while he was investigated and indicted on 98 drug charges. He was also convicted of trading prescriptions for sex in Jefferson County."

http://www.lex18.com/story/35123225/united-airlines-passenger-identified-as-troubled-elizabethtown-doctor

He probably should have just complied and got off of the plane now his dirty laundry is getting aired.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Grytviken on April 11, 2017, 11:56:35 pm
Imagine what the cops would have done if he was black...

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 it was the black security guard that fucked his face up.

"NBC News confirms that it has positively identified the man being removed from the plane as Dr. David Dao. Dao, who practices medicine in Elizabethtown, was randomly bumped from the flight. When he was asked to deboard the plane, he refused and the ensuing scuffle was captured on multiple cell phone cameras.

It's not the Doctor's first run-in with the media spotlight. Dao's license was briefly suspended while he was investigated and indicted on 98 drug charges. He was also convicted of trading prescriptions for sex in Jefferson County."

http://www.lex18.com/story/35123225/united-airlines-passenger-identified-as-troubled-elizabethtown-doctor

He probably should have just complied and got off of the plane now his dirty laundry is getting aired.

Airline shouldn't have waited till he already got on the plane to do this.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Xant on April 12, 2017, 11:18:24 am
"NBC News confirms that it has positively identified the man being removed from the plane as Dr. David Dao. Dao, who practices medicine in Elizabethtown, was randomly bumped from the flight. When he was asked to deboard the plane, he refused and the ensuing scuffle was captured on multiple cell phone cameras.

It's not the Doctor's first run-in with the media spotlight. Dao's license was briefly suspended while he was investigated and indicted on 98 drug charges. He was also convicted of trading prescriptions for sex in Jefferson County."

http://www.lex18.com/story/35123225/united-airlines-passenger-identified-as-troubled-elizabethtown-doctor

He probably should have just complied and got off of the plane now his dirty laundry is getting aired.
The media is being shady and fucked up as hell by airing this. What does any of this have to do with his forcible removal? Hope he sues and wins.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Asheram on April 20, 2017, 06:29:05 am
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/aaron-hernandez-agent-isnt-convinced-suicide-least-one-person-might-agree-142229813.html
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Falka on June 22, 2017, 01:03:51 pm

Wow.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Ikarus on June 22, 2017, 01:47:23 pm
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Wow.

well that was just straight up murder by a person with mental condition which happens to wear a police uniform
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Gravoth_iii on June 22, 2017, 05:54:27 pm
Hard to tell anything when we cant see into the car. And his girlfriend didnt seem very upset later on, it just seems kinda fake, pulling up the phone to tape it just like its her 3rd time having her BF murdered? Kid in the car too for even more dramatic effect? Hmm, if it is real though, shame on the cop if the guy was being cooperative.

Either way Trevor Noah has a very punchable face, god i hate that guy.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Grytviken on June 22, 2017, 07:49:09 pm
Hard to tell anything when we cant see into the car. And his girlfriend didnt seem very upset later on, it just seems kinda fake, pulling up the phone to tape it just like its her 3rd time having her BF murdered? Kid in the car too for even more dramatic effect? Hmm, if it is real though, shame on the cop if the guy was being cooperative.

Either way Trevor Noah has a very punchable face, god i hate that guy.

Jury found the officer innocent, multiple blacks on the Jury too so they can't say it was prejudice. When you inform an officer you have a firearm in your possession and don't tell him where it is and then proceed to reach around looking to grab something after being warned multiple times not to, you're probably going to get shot. The media keeps peddling more fake information so more people get shot because they continue to be ignorant of the correct protocol to follow if you legally carry a gun.

Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Drunken_sailor on June 22, 2017, 10:50:52 pm
did you see the live stream video?  It is traumatizing for me... I cant imagine the problems that little girl is going to have, I know there was a collection gathered to put his daughter through college but I have no doubt she will have trauma for the rest of her life. 

Some close friends of mine went to the protests at the governors mansion after it happened, they said all the trouble between protesters and cops was caused by anarchist types in bandanas and red/black flags who were using it to as another excuse to start shit with police when most of the other organizers were calling for nonviolent action.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Grytviken on June 22, 2017, 11:12:23 pm
did you see the live stream video?  It is traumatizing for me... I cant imagine the problems that little girl is going to have, I know there was a collection gathered to put his daughter through college but I have no doubt she will have trauma for the rest of her life. 

Some close friends of mine went to the protests at the governors mansion after it happened, they said all the trouble between protesters and cops was caused by anarchist types in bandanas and red/black flags who were using it to as another excuse to start shit with police when most of the other organizers were calling for nonviolent action.

Yea I saw the video and have also seen countless videos of officers being killed in the matter of seconds on routine stops. The cop should have immediately told him to keep his hands in clear view if he was that nervous about the weapon, the guy clearly did nothing wrong, but he didn't do everything right which was why the cop reacted like that. Whenever there is a weapon involved the situation is immediately escalated and if you don't 100% follow their instructions to specific detail you're putting yourself at risk.

I think it's a bad idea to gamble with the " I know my rights " stuff if you're ever in a situation like that and that's kind of narrative that the media is pushing that these people did nothing wrong, when it's not even about whether you did anything right or wrong it's about the immediate situation at hand and if you pose any % of risk to the officer, whether you intend to or not doesn't matter to the courts. You basically have no rights whatsoever during the immediate altercation because their discretion and assumptions temporarily override them.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Turkhammer on June 23, 2017, 05:36:16 pm
Yea I saw the video and have also seen countless videos of officers being killed in the matter of seconds on routine stops. The cop should have immediately told him to keep his hands in clear view if he was that nervous about the weapon, the guy clearly did nothing wrong, but he didn't do everything right which was why the cop reacted like that. Whenever there is a weapon involved the situation is immediately escalated and if you don't 100% follow their instructions to specific detail you're putting yourself at risk.

I think it's a bad idea to gamble with the " I know my rights " stuff if you're ever in a situation like that and that's kind of narrative that the media is pushing that these people did nothing wrong, when it's not even about whether you did anything right or wrong it's about the immediate situation at hand and if you pose any % of risk to the officer, whether you intend to or not doesn't matter to the courts. You basically have no rights whatsoever during the immediate altercation because their discretion and assumptions temporarily override them.

You can't say the driver clearly did nothing wrong, because there is no video available of his actions in the car.  From what I could see from the dash cam video is a cop who felt this could be a bank robber suspect that he was stopping.  He is alerted to the person carrying a gun and from his perception the man starts moving his hands out of plain view to who knows where for who knows what purpose.  The cop has to make a split second decision.  My first impression was he over reacted  Then I thought, could he really afford to wait until seeing a weapon?  That may have been too late for him, his partner, or even the passengers.  Something turned that encounter from a polite, businesslike affair into life and death in an instant.  The jurors had a lot more information than the public has and they came back with a not guilty verdict.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Asheram on June 23, 2017, 07:54:09 pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/minnesota-dashcam-aclu_us_594c33b3e4b0da2c731a77e4?ncid=edlinkushpmg00000313
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Drunken_sailor on June 24, 2017, 03:23:56 am
I'm just sick of having to have this conversation, what needs to happen so we don't have to hear about cops and civilians shooting each other every fucking week.

Also:  http://www.rochesterfirst.com/news/weird/woman-pulls-gun-after-being-shorted-chicken-nugget/748201357 

TLDR, woman shorted a Micky D's chicken tendie pulls gun on drive through worker.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Gravoth_iii on June 24, 2017, 03:50:00 am
Remove guns and weapons from the police like we do here in Sweden, of course that means that there are many situations where the cops are unable to handle situations at all. Also i guess its a bit of a different situation here.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Westwood on June 24, 2017, 05:11:25 am
like we do here in Sweden
lol no
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Drunken_sailor on June 24, 2017, 06:00:28 am
Yeah that would never happen despite how good it sounds.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Grytviken on June 24, 2017, 06:46:55 am
You can't say the driver clearly did nothing wrong, because there is no video available of his actions in the car.  From what I could see from the dash cam video is a cop who felt this could be a bank robber suspect that he was stopping.  He is alerted to the person carrying a gun and from his perception the man starts moving his hands out of plain view to who knows where for who knows what purpose.  The cop has to make a split second decision.  My first impression was he over reacted  Then I thought, could he really afford to wait until seeing a weapon?  That may have been too late for him, his partner, or even the passengers.  Something turned that encounter from a polite, businesslike affair into life and death in an instant.  The jurors had a lot more information than the public has and they came back with a not guilty verdict.

Disobeying a lawful order caused his death which is what mattered in the criminal court. Whether that lawful order was questionable is what they will determine when they sue the city in civil court for wrongful death and most likely win.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Gravoth_iii on June 24, 2017, 07:13:15 am
Yeah that would never happen despite how good it sounds.

Its good and all, but when it gets to the point of stuff like this happening you start to wonder if they couldnt at least be armed with a tazer.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Drunken_sailor on June 24, 2017, 09:33:39 am
Yeah thats true, with tasers each of those cops could gain at least 75 more Lbs and fit into American uniforms.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Xant on June 24, 2017, 09:58:32 am
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/minnesota-dashcam-aclu_us_594c33b3e4b0da2c731a77e4?ncid=edlinkushpmg00000313
Are you implying there's something wrong with this? The guy threatened the cop and then resisted being pulled from the car.

And Sweden is a good model to follow if you want sky-high rape statistics, Arab ghettos and hand grenade attacks.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Xant on June 24, 2017, 10:14:44 am
Its good and all, but when it gets to the point of stuff like this happening you start to wonder if they couldnt at least be armed with a tazer.
And the problem here isn't that they're not armed with a taser, the problem is that Swedish feminist cuck politics have convinced the population of the fantasy that women can do the same jobs as men.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: IR_Kuoin on June 24, 2017, 10:28:35 am
How low are the psychical entry exam for women in Sweden, compared to men or neighboring countries?
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Xant on June 24, 2017, 12:03:55 pm
What does it matter? Some of those women look bigger than the refugee, and I'm sure they'd do better than him in physical exams too. They're still women and have no business pretending they can hang with men when it comes to violence.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: IR_Kuoin on June 24, 2017, 12:44:47 pm
What does it matter? Some of those women look bigger than the refugee, and I'm sure they'd do better than him in physical exams too. They're still women and have no business pretending they can hang with men when it comes to violence.

True that, seeing footage where the police lady with a baton is afraid to use proper force with it, looks like a kid trying to hit a stationary baseball.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Westwood on June 24, 2017, 06:45:50 pm
Europe was a mistake.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Asheram on June 24, 2017, 07:39:37 pm
Are you implying there's something wrong with this? The guy threatened the cop and then resisted being pulled from the car.

And Sweden is a good model to follow if you want sky-high rape statistics, Arab ghettos and hand grenade attacks.
If you read the article it say the idiot kid had a road rage incident against an off duty cop, (off duty being the key word, if he was off duty how would anyone know he was a cop).
 
"The Minnesota Star Tribune reported Thursday that a criminal complaint alleges Promvongsa provoked a road-rage encounter the day of his arrest. The complaint, the newspaper said, accuses Promvongsa of “several aggressive acts toward the car of an off-duty Worthington police officer, including tailgating, swerving, making hand gestures out the window and closing in at a high rate of speed before stopping just short of the officer’s vehicle.”

So he never made contact, and cops seem to think they are immune to traffic laws how does anyone know if said off duty cop didnt cut him off or something.
Now all of this happened before what we are seeing in that video. In that video the kid pulled over for them when they lit him up and the plain clothes cop was out of his car screaming obscenities immediately and was on the kid before he even had a chance to get his seat belt off punched him 4 times drug him out of the car and threw him on the pavement , you could see his head hit, then was on top off him with his knee on the kids head while the two were cuffing him. At no point does it show the kid resisting or doing anything to warrant that treatment.
So you think that cop was professional or thug?
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Xant on June 24, 2017, 09:56:34 pm
If you read the article it say the idiot kid had a road rage incident against an off duty cop, (off duty being the key word, if he was off duty how would anyone know he was a cop).
 
"The Minnesota Star Tribune reported Thursday that a criminal complaint alleges Promvongsa provoked a road-rage encounter the day of his arrest. The complaint, the newspaper said, accuses Promvongsa of “several aggressive acts toward the car of an off-duty Worthington police officer, including tailgating, swerving, making hand gestures out the window and closing in at a high rate of speed before stopping just short of the officer’s vehicle.”

So he never made contact, and cops seem to think they are immune to traffic laws how does anyone know if said off duty cop didnt cut him off or something.
Now all of this happened before what we are seeing in that video. In that video the kid pulled over for them when they lit him up and the plain clothes cop was out of his car screaming obscenities immediately and was on the kid before he even had a chance to get his seat belt off punched him 4 times drug him out of the car and threw him on the pavement , you could see his head hit, then was on top off him with his knee on the kids head while the two were cuffing him. At no point does it show the kid resisting or doing anything to warrant that treatment.
So you think that cop was professional or thug?
Cops are professional thugs m8
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: dagu807 on June 25, 2017, 07:32:39 am
Europe was a mistake.
USA is worse.
Look at all the bullshit you export worldwide and what masters you truly obey. :v)
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Westwood on June 25, 2017, 07:42:44 am
USA is worse.
Look at all the bullshit you export worldwide and what masters you truly obey. :v)
Everything good that's ever happened to you happened because of America. :^)
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: dagu807 on June 25, 2017, 10:00:15 am
Everything good that's ever happened to you happened because of America. :^)
Define good.
I don't see the bullshit happening today as good, but an (((AMERICAN))) would.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: IR_Kuoin on June 25, 2017, 10:33:57 am
If you're an "ethnic" American and hating on Europe you're hating on your ancestors : ))
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Westwood on June 25, 2017, 01:46:51 pm
If you're an "ethnic" American and hating on Europe you're hating on your ancestors : ))
All people are individuals. Ancestry and heritage are of no consequence compared to culture, nationality, confession of faith, philosophy, etc.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Xant on June 25, 2017, 03:27:23 pm
USA is worse.
Look at all the bullshit you export worldwide and what masters you truly obey. :v)
Trump proves there are no secret shadowy illuminati cabals ruling the US.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Asheram on June 25, 2017, 11:08:07 pm
http://nypost.com/2017/06/25/couple-viciously-beats-restaurant-owner-her-teen-daughter-over-fast-food-order/
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Gravoth_iii on June 25, 2017, 11:27:59 pm
http://nypost.com/2017/06/25/couple-viciously-beats-restaurant-owner-her-teen-daughter-over-fast-food-order/

Dont mess with black peoples chicken, better serve it hot and with plenty of fries. I wouldve probably done something similar.. If someone served me cold meatballs i would think very mild thoughts of displeasure regarding them, and maybe not eat everything served. Better be on your guard, dont ever serve cold meatballs again.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Asheram on June 25, 2017, 11:52:24 pm
Dont mess with black peoples chicken, better serve it hot and with plenty of fries. I wouldve probably done something similar.. If someone served me cold meatballs i would think very mild thoughts of displeasure regarding them, and maybe not eat everything served. Better be on your guard, dont ever serve cold meatballs again.
You better not mess with Jimmy Jumps chicken bro he will f you up.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Turkhammer on June 26, 2017, 03:29:00 am
Disobeying a lawful order caused his death which is what mattered in the criminal court. Whether that lawful order was questionable is what they will determine when they sue the city in civil court for wrongful death and most likely win.
How do you know he disobeyed a lawful order?  We only have the cop and the woman's word for what transpired.  What mattered most in criminal court is that traditionally the law and juries are loath to question the polices' actions.  They have been given greater leeway than a citizen would be.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Turkhammer on June 26, 2017, 03:31:03 am
Dont mess with black peoples chicken, better serve it hot and with plenty of fries. I wouldve probably done something similar.. If someone served me cold meatballs i would think very mild thoughts of displeasure regarding them, and maybe not eat everything served. Better be on your guard, dont ever serve cold meatballs again.

I'll be on my guard with a 9mm in case you do anything more than think mild thoughts.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Paul on June 26, 2017, 08:39:01 am
I'll be on my guard with a 9mm in case you do anything more than think mild thoughts.

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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Asheram on December 31, 2017, 01:03:34 am
Wow really? Make sure if you know the cops are at your door to open it only after you strip down to your underwear and cuff yourself so they dont shoot you by mistake.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/la-man-arrested-over-swatting-incident-led-police-072205194--abc-news-topstories.html
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Drunken_sailor on December 31, 2017, 08:21:09 am
yeah but you can still get tits in any color here so thats good, right?  I mean, we live in a police state, but the tits are good right? 
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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: darmaster on January 17, 2018, 12:46:49 pm
https://www.facebook.com/unspeakablecrimes/videos/1621999801219803/?hc_ref=ARS2fxe8C0TMzE2ot3VCN4Eh7D7_JqaTvpNVzXtejJrwVQyL_1WH06ony6zse3MDnFQ&fref=gs&dti=1048470955198313&hc_location=group
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Drunken_sailor on January 20, 2018, 08:08:29 am
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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Hlin on January 20, 2018, 12:00:01 pm
USA is worse.
Look at all the bullshit you export worldwide and what masters you truly obey. :v)

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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Leshma on February 16, 2018, 02:04:12 am
Is this school shooting topic? Please revive thread, wanna talk about guns and freedom and bald eagles.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: IR_Kuoin on February 16, 2018, 06:56:30 am
Pistols, lever and bolt action rifles are the best, all other guns can suck it, maybe not pump action shotguns.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Drunken_sailor on February 16, 2018, 08:23:47 am
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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Xant on February 16, 2018, 12:14:42 pm
Ahh yes, this thread. The first pages are interesting, with AntiBlitz justifying the literal murder by wanna-be spec ops cops as always, and like 15 people upvoting him. And two guys insisting the cops used bean bag rounds, kinda like a kid asking his parents if a rabbit that got run over by a truck is alright who reply "oh yeah... he's just sleeping"
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Vibe on February 16, 2018, 12:43:45 pm
Is this school shooting topic? Please revive thread, wanna talk about guns and freedom and bald eagles.

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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: njames89 on February 16, 2018, 02:49:28 pm
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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: IR_Kuoin on February 16, 2018, 03:32:30 pm
If you got to around 90 years old and you'd still be able to shoot a gun, would you do something like this?
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: njames89 on February 16, 2018, 03:48:45 pm
If I got to 90 with a gun I'd Hunter S. Thompson myself.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on February 17, 2018, 09:32:13 am
Is this school shooting topic? Please revive thread, wanna talk about guns and freedom and bald eagles.

make it so

initial shot: for the most recent News Event (wonder whats getting shoved through Congress with stunning "bipartisanship"), i fully blame institutionalized compulsory primary education and the internal rot of the atomic family, itself mostly caused through hyper-consumptionist propaganda and group thought the likes of which drove poor Ted to bomb all those folk in airline and tech

(pls no v&)
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Butan on February 17, 2018, 09:40:01 am
I mainly blame those couple weirdos that started the US trend of mass shootings, and the lemmings that followed.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Westwood on February 17, 2018, 10:42:36 am
It was obviously an inside job to take our freedoms perpetrated by someone on the autism spectrum, also don't forget about black people being guns
Thoughts and prayers
Wow I didn't know Havelle was any number of braindead sluts I knew from college posting on Facebook about something they know nothing about, in the exact way that [your favorite television funnyman here] told them to, who would have thought? Or thot?

make it so

initial shot: for the most recent News Event (wonder whats getting shoved through Congress with stunning "bipartisanship"), i fully blame institutionalized compulsory primary education and the internal rot of the atomic family, itself mostly caused through hyper-consumptionist propaganda and group thought the likes of which drove poor Ted to bomb all those folk in airline and tech

(pls no v&)
Don't forget the 24-hour news cycle, fam
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on February 17, 2018, 11:05:30 am
Wow I didn't know Havelle was any number of braindead sluts I knew from college posting on Facebook about something they know nothing about, in the exact way that [your favorite television funnyman here] told them to, who would have thought? Or thot?
Don't forget the 24-hour news cycle, fam

ye, u rite.

also i always think its fucking hilarious when havelle has to act like HIS views are the ones that are embarrassing or controversial when stuff like this comes up in TS because he's a mainstream social democrat in a TS full of "can't tell if serious" nationalist types and lolbertarians
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: traxits on February 18, 2018, 01:19:15 am
personally i don't understand the southern hardcore republicans who keep arguing that their (nearly) military grade rifles are more important to them than the lives of students/innocent bystanders. to a canadian this is all fucked to me
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on February 18, 2018, 05:55:06 am
personally i don't understand the southern hardcore republicans who keep arguing that their (nearly) military grade rifles are more important to them than the lives of students/innocent bystanders. to a canadian this is all fucked to me

i am a southern minarchist on certain days, or complete voluntaryist on others, never voted for an R (pls dont make fun of me for voting R that 1 time). lets get into this, i'll spare u a roasting on twitter :^)

so firstly, your premise that there is a zero-sum equation stating that the citizenry of the U.S. can EITHER a) own semi-automatic rifles that bear strong resemblance to military hardware or b) experience a near-complete diminishment of "school shootings", gun violence, mass murder, et cetera is very flawed. in like 2010, there were 300+ million private firearms in the United States; some sort of manufacturing ban, purchase ban, extended tax stamp preventing middle/lower class from buying rifles, or any other measure would be ineffective at preventing your average citizen from obtaining a firearm and ammunition. the only somewhat effective measure would be a very strict clamp-down on ammunition purchasing and manufacturing, simultaneous restrictions on powder/reloading supplies, i would imagine. not THAT many people stockpile ammo, so completely disregarding political feasibility of such a measure, that'd be the only real way to even begin such a thing.

second, your premise implies that any individual located in the same nation as a murderer, also possessing a firearm(s) bears responsibility for the murderer's actions or at least partial responsibility for his capability. i find this implication (intentional or not) loathesome.

third, you've got the common "u just have to fix mental health!" or "just make some1 pass a mental health exam to buy a gun!!!" arguments that, as a pseudoscience major with a couple brain cells, makes me livid. the entire argument assumes that, in order for an individual to commit mass murder, they must be mentally ill. murderers are placed in prison all the time for their actions- only very occasionally are they subject to being labeled insane. why mass murderers? do people think its so implausible for a rare person to know EXACTLY what they are doing, be in full control of their faculties, not depressed, capable of empathy and not sociopathic- and still kill their peers en masse?

its easier to think of such inhumane monsters as crazy, of course. more natural, maybe. everyone is so emotional, crying for "someone" to "do something", they can't even fathom the logistics of the shit.

Ok, so now as a society we've decided that we will empower some new organization or give an existing organization the power to detain minors and adults with impunity- if they are determined to be "high risk" to their peers. That's what we're fucking talking about, you know. They gonna lock up every 16 year old that doodles some slavshit rifle because he's bored and talks about CSGO in class? They gonna stuff every kid that goes on imageboards and elsewhere and laughs at tragedy in a van?

And say that this exists- what the FUCK do you DO with a kid that has been detained for being a suspected future shooter? Detain him indefinately? Have a bunch of shrinks poke and prod his psyche, feed him psychotropic cocktails until they decide that he ain't gonna go blast folk? Yeah, right.

ok so thats basically why it would be ineffective at stopping mass murder scenarios in a rambling nutshell. now here's for the thing that'll really rake your leafs u canuck

Even if, hypothetically, it were magically insured that restricting access to firearms for the population would significantly reduce instances of mass murder (children or otherwise), I would still not support such measures. Firstly, I feel that the safety of one's self and one's family is that individual's responsibility; also the responsibility of kin, neighbors, community, etc. I cannot support our disarmament. Second, I feel that the public school system is babbies' very first institutionalization and generally harmful in many aspects..and more morbidly, these 4k population schools make target rich environments for scum. Third, any given non-murderous individual owning firearms bears NO moral responsibility for the actions of an unassociated individual. If the butcher's bill was 2x higher, 5x higher, 10x higher, my position would not change. Understand thats very odd, or even disturbing to others. More than happy to explain it in more detail anytime.

And anyway, children in this country are far more likely to be slaughtered by local security forces than by lone maniacs, islamofascists, white supremacists, or commies put together.

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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: traxits on February 18, 2018, 06:24:54 am
i am a southern minarchist on certain days, or complete voluntaryist on others, never voted for an R. lets get into this, i'll spare u a roasting on twitter :^)

so firstly, your premise that there is a zero-sum equation stating that the citizenry of the U.S. can EITHER a) own semi-automatic rifles that bear strong resemblance to military hardware or b) experience a near-complete diminishment of "school shootings", gun violence, mass murder, et cetera is very flawed. in like 2010, there were 300+ million private firearms in the United States; some sort of manufacturing ban, purchase ban, extended tax stamp preventing middle/lower class from buying rifles, or any other measure would be ineffective at preventing your average citizen from obtaining a firearm and ammunition. the only somewhat effective measure would be a very strict clamp-down on ammunition purchasing and manufacturing, simultaneous restrictions on powder/reloading supplies, i would imagine. not THAT many people stockpile ammo, so completely disregarding political feasibility of such a measure, that'd be the only real way to even begin such a thing.

second, your premise implies that any individual located in the same nation as a murderer, also possessing a firearm(s) bears responsibility for the murderer's actions or at least partial responsibility for his capability. i find this implication (intentional or not) loathesome.

third, you've got the common "u just have to fix mental health!" or "just make some1 pass a mental health exam to buy a gun!!!" arguments that, as a pseudoscience major with a couple brain cells, makes me livid. the entire argument assumes that, in order for an individual to commit mass murder, they must be mentally ill. murderers are placed in prison all the time for their actions- only very occasionally are they subject to being labeled insane. why mass murderers? do people think its so implausible for a rare person to know EXACTLY what they are doing, be in full control of their faculties, not depressed, capable of empathy and not sociopathic- and still kill their peers en masse?

its easier to think of such inhumane monsters as crazy, of course. more natural, maybe. everyone is so emotional, crying for "someone" to "do something", they can't even fathom the logistics of the shit.

Ok, so now as a society we've decided that we will empower some new organization or give an existing organization the power to detain minors and adults with impunity- if they are determined to be "high risk" to their peers. That's what we're fucking talking about, you know. They gonna lock up every 16 year old that doodles some slavshit rifle because he's bored and talks about CSGO in class? They gonna stuff every kid that goes on imageboards and elsewhere and laughs at tragedy in a van?

And say that this exists- what the FUCK do you DO with a kid that has been detained for being a suspected future shooter? Detain him indefinately? Have a bunch of shrinks poke and prod his psyche, feed him psychotropic cocktails until they decide that he ain't gonna go blast folk? Yeah, right.

ok so thats basically why it would be ineffective at stopping mass murder scenarios in a rambling nutshell. now here's for the thing that'll really rake your leafs u canuck

Even if, hypothetically, it were magically insured that restricting access to firearms for the population would significantly reduce instances of mass murder (children or otherwise), I would still not support such measures. Firstly, I feel that the safety of one's self and one's family is that individual's responsibility; also the responsibility of kin, neighbors, community, etc. I cannot support our disarmament. Second, I feel that the public school system is babbies' very first institutionalization and generally harmful in many aspects..and more morbidly, these 4k population schools make target rich environments for scum. Third, any given non-murderous individual owning firearms bears NO moral responsibility for the actions of an unassociated individual. If the butcher's bill was 2x higher, 5x higher, 10x higher, my position would not change. Understand thats very odd, or even disturbing to others. More than happy to explain it in more detail anytime.

And anyway, children in this country are far more likely to be slaughtered by local security forces than by lone maniacs, islamofascists, white supremacists, or commies put together.

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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on February 18, 2018, 06:52:18 am
youre such an asshole you know i read at a fourth grade level

i could probably format it a lot better and not shift in and out of using proper grammar, punctuation, capitalization like a fucking schizophrenic
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: IR_Kuoin on February 18, 2018, 09:07:58 am
Unabomber grammar for sure.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Westwood on February 18, 2018, 09:18:25 am
I didn't really have promiscuous, college educated women in mind, i was flippantly summing up the usual talking points in these threads that end up just being a far right echo chamber.
Right, I was saying it made you sound like a basic bitch trawling for Facebook likes in a cesspool of Washington Post article comments my dude.

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personally i don't understand the southern hardcore republicans who keep arguing that their (nearly) military grade rifles are more important to them than the lives of students/innocent bystanders. to a canadian this is all fucked to me
Hi, NORTHWESTERN hardcore Republican here. This is all fucked to you because you, a Canadian, don't know what you're looking at. It's not a question of how I value the lives of strangers in relation to my firearms, it's simply the law. Not just the law, but the highest law in America, to which all our other laws are subject. This highest law invokes the natural state of Man to ensure that certain liberties are not stripped of America's citizens by their government. This highest law says that the government shall not impede me if I wish to possess and train with "arms" (just as you could not possibly begrudge anyone in a state of nature an act of self-defense, or the preparation thereof). This being the highest law, all the other little laws must follow its lead, never going against it.

It is possible to change our highest law through a process detailed within it. Our Congress and the Senate must both approve a proposed "amendment" by two-thirds majorities, and then still the amendment must be ratified by three-fourths of State legislatures (all the little baby congresses and senates throughout the States). That means 38 out of 50 States.

Would you like to know what IS NOT an acceptable way to change our highest law, the written guarantor of the rights of American citizens from their government under God? Slowly eroding those rights over time, in increments of "common sense" legislation, until every one of those rights is meaningless because our highest law is not respected or followed, making every American a slave to the whims of his government. Do you understand, Canuck, why myself and other Americans might feel strongly about this?
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Butan on February 18, 2018, 11:55:54 am
Sanderson Jankins, you seem like a proper fellow.

Even though I dont live in the US and have not as much knowledge as people living there of how it all works in this nation, it is pretty obvious from where I stand that people are simply afraid, and want this to stop happening, and want a simple solution, while there is none.
I personally believe that there is no real way to stop people from doing mass murders.



Even if all guns/cars/knives were banned from existence, there are always ways to acquire such items or to create/modify some in the purpose of mass killing. Not to add that contrary to popular belief (at least in my country) you cant just go in a gun shop, drop money on the counter, and get out with a loaded gun. Maybe it was easier in the past, but not today.

On the subject of mental health, people do seem to think like people stroll about with a "mental health" bar on top of their head. Or that you just have to put money on the table, because 1000$ equals a sane person. To this day mental health is still very much a random science where the go-to solution is to take pills to chill the fuck down, see a shrink, be sent into prison isolation. Thats it.



If I wanted to commit a mass murder in France I could, and I'm pretty sure that its the same in every countries on earth.
The world is very harsh, its easy to understand that ~10-20 people every year end up doing mass murder. The definition of mental illness is so vague that its way way too easy to just say "well, they were mentally ill, so that explains".

Whatever is the reason that explains the USA has so many mass shootings compared to the total mass shootings on the planet, there is no simple answers, its a sum of things that also include stupid shit like copycats/fame/suicide per cop. Not to forget that there is a lot of mass shootings everywhere on earth and we are just too focused on the USA.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Xant on February 18, 2018, 06:13:50 pm
If only people still hit their kids...
Agreed, I was beat by my parents and grandparents and look how well I turned out.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Grytviken on February 18, 2018, 11:56:01 pm
Sanderson Jankins, you seem like a proper fellow.

Even though I dont live in the US and have not as much knowledge as people living there of how it all works in this nation, it is pretty obvious from where I stand that people are simply afraid, and want this to stop happening, and want a simple solution, while there is none.
I personally believe that there is no real way to stop people from doing mass murders.



Even if all guns/cars/knives were banned from existence, there are always ways to acquire such items or to create/modify some in the purpose of mass killing. Not to add that contrary to popular belief (at least in my country) you cant just go in a gun shop, drop money on the counter, and get out with a loaded gun. Maybe it was easier in the past, but not today.

On the subject of mental health, people do seem to think like people stroll about with a "mental health" bar on top of their head. Or that you just have to put money on the table, because 1000$ equals a sane person. To this day mental health is still very much a random science where the go-to solution is to take pills to chill the fuck down, see a shrink, be sent into prison isolation. Thats it.



If I wanted to commit a mass murder in France I could, and I'm pretty sure that its the same in every countries on earth.
The world is very harsh, its easy to understand that ~10-20 people every year end up doing mass murder. The definition of mental illness is so vague that its way way too easy to just say "well, they were mentally ill, so that explains".

Whatever is the reason that explains the USA has so many mass shootings compared to the total mass shootings on the planet, there is no simple answers, its a sum of things that also include stupid shit like copycats/fame/suicide per cop. Not to forget that there is a lot of mass shootings everywhere on earth and we are just too focused on the USA.

Glorification of violence and crime, easy access to military grade weapons, non-existent morals.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Grytviken on February 19, 2018, 12:10:27 am
If only people still hit their kids...

Agreed, I was beat by my parents and grandparents and look how well I turned out.

The turd doesn't fall far from the bundle of sticks's ass.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Paul on February 19, 2018, 05:05:16 am
When your kid's so bad that you have to take breaks beating it and ask your parents to help out.

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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Oberyn on February 19, 2018, 12:00:22 pm
I blame JFK and then Reagan governments for closing down all mental asylums because of "ethical" reasons. This bundle of sticks should've been tossed in the loony bin long before he could've perpetrated this attack. It's crazy that he was still allowed to go to a normal school after so many run-ins with police, not to mention being reported to the FBI for openly claiming he was going to shoot up a school.   
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Butan on February 19, 2018, 04:21:28 pm
Glorification of violence and crime, easy access to military grade weapons, non-existent morals.

How? - no - How ?
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: [ptx] on February 19, 2018, 05:30:04 pm
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Leshma on February 19, 2018, 06:32:44 pm
It is truly interesting how you can make death threats and suffer no consequences from society but as soon you give an opinion on certain matter online, that can affect your future in major ways. It's like when you're on the bottom, no one takes special attention to your actions until you do something truly remarkable like killing dozens of people in open daylight for no good reason. But as soon you try going up the ladder of success, window for making a mistake narrows with every step. I wouldn't say that is forgiving nature of our establishment towards those less fortunate but more an act of not giving a damn. So many those at the bottom in Muricca, can't give a fuck what they do in their daily lives can we? But as soon promising individual make tiniest mistake that differs from currently acceptable way of thinking, down the gutter he goes.

That can explain why things like this happen regularly and more frequently while nobody is trying to do anything to prevent it. America just doesn't give a shit about bottom dwelling denizens.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Grytviken on February 19, 2018, 06:45:03 pm

That can explain why things like this happen regularly and more frequently while nobody is trying to do anything to prevent it. America just doesn't give a shit about bottom dwelling denizens.

I've seen some pretty dumb shit while I was living in poverty. People spending all their money on cell phones and jewelry while their kids were wearing the same clothes everyday, people banging on their neighbor's door in the morning begging for eggs instead of walking their lazy fat ass to a store, idiots who refused to pay the very small fee of like 25 cents for trash removal, yet they had a brand new car they went into massive debt to buy while they lived like pigs and couldn't afford rent (shortly wrecked it later drunk driving).  People have some pretty unrealistic expectations and little to no common sense. No amount of easily exploitable charity or goodwill will fix those levels of stupidity.

Some good Samaritans took in the psychopath shooter, they also knew he was a basketcase who just got expelled from school, lost his parents and had a lengthy police record and thought it was OK that he also be allowed to bring his machine guns over. He was someone who couldn't afford a pot to piss in but still managed to own, license and maintain 10 expensive military grade assault rifles? No red flags there? The good Samaritans must have been just as crazy. 
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on February 19, 2018, 09:26:04 pm
I've seen some pretty dumb shit while I was living in poverty. People spending all their money on cell phones and jewelry while their kids were wearing the same clothes everyday, people banging on their neighbor's door in the morning begging for eggs instead of walking their lazy fat ass to a store, idiots who refused to pay the very small fee of like 25 cents for trash removal, yet they had a brand new car they went into massive debt to buy while they lived like pigs and couldn't afford rent (shortly wrecked it later drunk driving).  People have some pretty unrealistic expectations and little to no common sense. No amount of easily exploitable charity or goodwill will fix those levels of stupidity.

Some good Samaritans took in the psychopath shooter, they also knew he was a basketcase who just got expelled from school, lost his parents and had a lengthy police record and thought it was OK that he also be allowed to bring his machine guns over. He was someone who couldn't afford a pot to piss in but still managed to own, license and maintain 10 expensive military grade assault rifles? No red flags there? The good Samaritans must have been just as crazy.

a lot of folk are not well-equipped to thrive in a society awash with easy credit and inflationary fiat currency, both themselves discouraging any amount of saving within a segment of the population enamored with appearing wealthy regardless of their circumstances, income, work, etc. sort of infects every strata of society too, and not just the very poor. excluded are those rare people looking around wondering why everyone's so fucked

and you're totally right, especially in certain religious communities there seems to exist only extremes of trust and mistrust. generally in food-assistance programs put out by religious organizations, you're either gonna need to get all sorts of documentation that you aren't a scamming piece of shit or you're gonna need just a social security card proving you're not coming in multiple times. obviously these people are of the former variety. in the church i belong to, i have no doubt that even the majority of members would take in some street kid given the opportunity...

and they're also NOT gonna let the motherfucker haul his firearms into the house, they ain't gonna leave any family member, especially female, alone with the dude. and most of these people are themselves well-armed, blue-collar southerners not adverse to defensive action.

(apparently the two people took the murderer in at their son's request- know for a fact when one of my homies had to crash at our place for a little bit in HS my parents treated him with great caution just in case.)


Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: kasMVC on February 19, 2018, 10:42:08 pm
White people are violent by design its in the bible
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Xant on February 19, 2018, 10:46:10 pm
White people are violent by design its in the bible
True that, and violence is the only true power in the universe. That's why The Whites are the most powerful and will remain so.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Asheram on February 19, 2018, 10:51:13 pm
True that, and violence is the only true power in the universe. That's why The Wights are the most powerful and will remain so.
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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: kasMVC on February 19, 2018, 10:57:17 pm
most cops are white and kill most of the people in the USA
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Turkhammer on February 20, 2018, 05:28:53 am
If I got to 90 with a gun I'd Hunter S. Thompson myself.

No you won't James.  You'll want to live for just one more day.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Westwood on February 20, 2018, 07:32:19 am
At first I was thinking about how much I hate women who swear, but then I remembered that I hate all women anyway.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: njames89 on February 20, 2018, 02:22:30 pm
No you won't James.  You'll want to live for just one more day.

Probably tide pod myself tbh
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on February 20, 2018, 09:18:23 pm
At first I was thinking about how much I hate women who swear, but then I remembered that I hate all women anyway.

not to mention what an entry-level take, you know? basically 12 minutes of sophistry with the point of "hey more whites get shot by cops than blacks"
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Leshma on February 20, 2018, 11:08:25 pm
Dude lost his legs bellow the knee because he was too cheap to rent motel room for a night and instead decided to sleep over in his car wearing wet socks. I don't think I've ever heard such a story before, this is more interesting and frightening than any school shooting or public bombing. Would totally understand if this happened on top of a mountain but dude was near Chicago, IL.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Turkhammer on February 21, 2018, 01:36:24 am
Probably tide pod myself tbh

Oh man, if you ever do it, do it quick.  Tide pod can't be easy.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Turkhammer on February 21, 2018, 10:15:45 pm
But what about criminal sentencing disparity

What about it?
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Vibe on February 23, 2018, 03:00:16 pm
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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: SugarHoe on February 23, 2018, 09:12:02 pm
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god bless america
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Golem on February 23, 2018, 11:37:36 pm
Ok, but what about the nukes, where are the nukes, please bring the nukes thanks
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Drunken_sailor on February 24, 2018, 01:55:36 am
El prezidente said we are going back to moon as well.  Hopefully we can bring some guns and nukes up there too.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Oberyn on February 24, 2018, 04:17:23 am
I wish. Giving NASA an actual purpose again and reaching Mars was brought up a few times, but so far nothing of note has materialized on that front, that I've noticed.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Vibe on February 24, 2018, 01:49:26 pm
Why the moon though, so silly. Moon is a milestone, not something you go to regularly. It's just a rock
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Golem on February 24, 2018, 09:08:03 pm
It's just a rock

watch it, youre on thin ice Vibe
its not just a rock, its a bloody great rock that happens to orbit us
that has to be useful in some way we can exploit, right?
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Xant on February 24, 2018, 09:20:28 pm
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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Paul on February 24, 2018, 09:50:01 pm
Wtf? 2018 and still believing that smoking kills?
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Oberyn on February 24, 2018, 10:30:15 pm
watch it, youre on thin ice Vibe
its not just a rock, its a bloody great rock that happens to orbit us
that has to be useful in some way we can exploit, right?

No, it's pretty useless, the moon is just a chunk of the surface of Earth. There's no core, there's no tectonic activity, there's no useful minerals we can't much more easily find and exploit here, it's just a big piece of Earth that got separated and entered stable orbit. There's not even trace elements of water or atmosphere. Technically we haven't really achieved interplanetary travel.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: IR_Kuoin on February 24, 2018, 11:33:47 pm
Cheese mining on the moon will soon be a reality.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Bob_Ross on March 01, 2018, 03:30:24 pm
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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Paul on March 01, 2018, 03:32:26 pm
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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Bronto on March 01, 2018, 05:13:30 pm
No, it's pretty useless, the moon is just a chunk of the surface of Earth. There's no core, there's no tectonic activity, there's no useful minerals we can't much more easily find and exploit here, it's just a big piece of Earth that got separated and entered stable orbit. There's not even trace elements of water or atmosphere. Technically we haven't really achieved interplanetary travel.

Dude, just, dude.

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/07/water-moon-formed-volcanoes-glass-space-science/

https://www.sciencealert.com/ew-study-challenges-previous-conclusions-about-water-on-the-moon

If you don't find either source credible, that's fine, but just do some googling and you'll find tons of articles about the moon, stuff that's on it/in it, and what it could potentially mean/be used for. Space is awesome.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Asheram on March 01, 2018, 08:44:11 pm
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The moon is made of cheese, the Earth is flat like a plate now all that is needed are noodles for some mac and cheese.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Jona on March 01, 2018, 09:29:47 pm
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Did that guy really just try and rhyme quays with trees?

Edit: Apparently it can be pronounced both like "key" or "kway"... the more you know.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Asheram on March 01, 2018, 09:54:41 pm
Isn't that guy the author of treasure island?

Partial free verse poem?
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Golem on March 02, 2018, 02:40:39 am
You're mistaking rhyme for tempo.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Drunken_sailor on March 02, 2018, 05:28:13 pm
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Sometimes I can't help but love being from the USA, I want to go to a sanctuary church wedding.

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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Leshma on March 03, 2018, 07:47:12 pm
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2018/03/02/a-my-600-lb-life-participant-died-while-filming-his-fight-to-lose-weight/?utm_term=.7974ecb46e22

Sugar kills! Enter the supermarket, check product declarations, sugar is everywhere. Salami has sugar, ketchup has ton of sugar, cakes and chips and everything like that has sugar. Yogurt has sugar. Only stuff in the supermarket manufacturers don't add sugar to are raw fruit and raw meat. Everything else is cancer pill.

Being sugar free means you lose weight MUCH faster than while having elevated sugar levels in your bloodstream. Sooner or later that will become permanent thing and you'll earn diabetes. I say earn not get, because diabetes is something you earn by living unhealthy lifestyle. It's a badge for treating your body poorly.

First of all, say no to sodas. They add the most sugar to your body because we tend to consume shitload of those. Ketchup is known for having crazy high amounts of sugar. Add ketchup to all your food, that's one way train to becoming obese.

This is very important because it seems THIRD of your beloved country are obese individuals and percentage of kids is probably even higher.

I know about this shit very well because I've lost ton of weight just by kicking products from my diet which have ton of sugar. That means I normally don't consume processed food because processed food have ton of sugar in them. When I do I get fatter fast, like 3 kilos in less than a week just because I've started piling up complex sugars in my diet. I've got away from this issue but people around me haven't yet and I'm not sure how to help them. My struggle was personal and I sticked through it and WOULD NEVER EVER come back to being obese again.

We could talk about weed but since I've never smoke weed and know just theory about it, I'd rather not engage in such discussion. Would rather someone whose had issues from weed consumption speak about it. One thing is certain, weed may not fry your brain like stronger compounds will but weed is smoked and it is not healthy to inhale combustion products. Nicotine in cigarettes gets you addicted but it's not nicotine that kills, combustion products in smoke kills. Same goes for weed or anything else really, you could smoke dry grass it would be the same. In similar vein barbeque can be problematic just like eating any food that was scortched by heat. Thing is, weed wasn't a big thing globally but now everybody does it quite often and sooner than later it will lead to new wave of lung cancer patients whose got it from smoking weed. Be smart and put your desires and pleasures on hold a bit. Weed, alcohol, sugar, doesn't matter. Overindulge and you're going to end up like the dude from linked article.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Xant on March 03, 2018, 08:25:26 pm
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2018/03/02/a-my-600-lb-life-participant-died-while-filming-his-fight-to-lose-weight/?utm_term=.7974ecb46e22

Sugar kills! Enter the supermarket, check product declarations, sugar is everywhere. Salami has sugar, ketchup has ton of sugar, cakes and chips and everything like that has sugar. Yogurt has sugar. Only stuff in the supermarket manufacturers don't add sugar to are raw fruit and raw meat. Everything else is cancer pill.

Being sugar free means you lose weight MUCH faster than while having elevated sugar levels in your bloodstream. Sooner or later that will become permanent thing and you'll earn diabetes. I say earn not get, because diabetes is something you earn by living unhealthy lifestyle. It's a badge for treating your body poorly.

First of all, say no to sodas. They add the most sugar to your body because we tend to consume shitload of those. Ketchup is known for having crazy high amounts of sugar. Add ketchup to all your food, that's one way train to becoming obese.

This is very important because it seems THIRD of your beloved country are obese individuals and percentage of kids is probably even higher.

I know about this shit very well because I've lost ton of weight just by kicking products from my diet which have ton of sugar. That means I normally don't consume processed food because processed food have ton of sugar in them. When I do I get fatter fast, like 3 kilos in less than a week just because I've started piling up complex sugars in my diet. I've got away from this issue but people around me haven't yet and I'm not sure how to help them. My struggle was personal and I sticked through it and WOULD NEVER EVER come back to being obese again.

We could talk about weed but since I've never smoke weed and know just theory about it, I'd rather not engage in such discussion. Would rather someone whose had issues from weed consumption speak about it. One thing is certain, weed may not fry your brain like stronger compounds will but weed is smoked and it is not healthy to inhale combustion products. Nicotine in cigarettes gets you addicted but it's not nicotine that kills, combustion products in smoke kills. Same goes for weed or anything else really, you could smoke dry grass it would be the same. In similar vein barbeque can be problematic just like eating any food that was scortched by heat. Thing is, weed wasn't a big thing globally but now everybody does it quite often and sooner than later it will lead to new wave of lung cancer patients whose got it from smoking weed. Be smart and put your desires and pleasures on hold a bit. Weed, alcohol, sugar, doesn't matter. Overindulge and you're going to end up like the dude from linked article.
>never eat anything good
>starve yourself
>be smug
<die anyway
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Drunken_sailor on March 03, 2018, 08:49:40 pm
Fasting and ice baths are all the rage, self flagellation is making a comeback with the increase in authoritative rule, the neo dark ages are coming.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Asheram on March 03, 2018, 09:01:22 pm
the neo dark ages are coming.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Drunken_sailor on March 03, 2018, 09:15:44 pm
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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Leshma on March 04, 2018, 12:40:44 am
>never eat anything good
>starve yourself
>be smug
<die anyway

>everything you eat is good, you avoid crap food
>you feel hunger until you kick out poison from your system
>you're smug about being unemployed/useless to society, i just want to help people not die before their time
>everybody wants to live a moment longer, no matter how old they are, why help the nature to kill you when you can prolong your life?

By the way, aren't you on low carb diet? If you are, you should know well how hard is to get fat while eating fat and proteins. Eating fat doesn't make you fat, eating excess of sugar makes you fat. Besides, you can't eat as much fat or protein like you can sugar because neither fat or protein create addiction while sugar does. You can only eat so much protein or fat before you get sick, while it takes a ton of sugar to make you want to vommit and with time that amount is rising, because you develop higher tolerance to sugar.

Arteries getting clogged isn't because of eating fat. It's because of smoking, it fucks up with arterial walls then all the shit invades arteries and clog them. Food industry advocates lied to us for decade claiming how best possible food we have available is actually bad for us, the egg yolk. And that animal fat is also bad for us. But in reality fuckers couldn't produce enough animal specimen to feed the world, so they invented highly processed, almost syntethic replacements.

Today we're on a brink of being capable of creating meat without having raise living and breathing animals, to feed them, keep them in sheds, look after them. Why would we need to keep eating processed bullshit? I'd choose genetically modified meat over vegetable oil any time of the day. I'm not ignorant redneck to think they are trying to decimate population with GM meat, but not dumb enough not to realize they sold us shit food because they weren't able to produce enough good food for everybody.

90% of food you can buy at any supermarket is crap food. 90% of the food that is advertized everywhere is crap food. And since we are what we eat, that means 90% of people are crap people but I'm not entirely sure is that entirely their own fault or fault of the system throwing shit to them to ingest.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Xant on March 04, 2018, 12:42:31 am
>everything you eat is good, you avoid crap food
>you feel hunger until you kick out poison from your system
>you're smug about being unemployed/useless to society, i just want to help people not die before their time
>everybody wants to live a moment longer, no matter how old they are, why help the nature to kill you when you can prolong your life?

By the way, aren't you on low carb diet? If you are, you should know well how hard is to get fat while eating fat and proteins. Eating fat doesn't make you fat, eating excess of sugar makes you fat. Besides, you can't eat as much fat or protein like you can sugar because neither fat or protein create addiction while sugar does.

Arteries getting clogged isn't because of eating fat. It's because of smoking, it fucks up with arterial walls then all the shit invades arteries and clog them. Food industry advocates lied to us for decade claiming how best possible food we have available is actually bad for us, the egg yolk. And that animal fat is also bad for us. But in reality fuckers couldn't produce enough animal specimen to feed the world, so they invented highly processed, almost syntethic replacements.

Today we're on a brink of being capable of creating meat without having raise living and breathing animals, to feed them, keep them in sheds, look after them. Why would we need to keep eating processed bullshit? I'd choose genetically modified meat over vegetable oil any time of the day. I'm not ignorant redneck to think they are trying to decimate population with GM meat, but not dumb enough not to realize they sold us shit food because they weren't able to produce enough good food for everybody.

90% of food you can buy at any supermarket is crap food. 90% of the food that is advertized everywhere is crap food. And since we are what we eat, that means 90% of people are crap people but I'm not entirely sure is that entirely their own fault or fault of the system throwing shit to them to ingest.
I'm not on any diet. I'm an elite specimen, I don't gain fat no matter what I eat.

We aren't what we eat, we're star dust. Even the Black Science Man knows this.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Leshma on March 04, 2018, 12:44:28 am
No matter the genetics, that lasts only till you hit 29 or so. Then it hits you and hits you hard if you aren't taking care of yourself. We aren't perfect machines although we're very sophisticated and durable.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Vibe on March 09, 2018, 10:39:25 pm
video by the actual white house, thanks america

Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Leshma on March 09, 2018, 11:23:33 pm
Trump is not an idiot as everybody believed. He might be actually smart, a bit like Putin. Ban of video games would be incredibly beneficial for American youth. Because as things stand, average young American has poor education, is obese, and has zero ability for critical thinking and is usually playing dumb video games for many hours every day. Such citizens are making for extremely poor outcome for the country in the future. Importing world's elite to work for United States can only do so much, but can't fix the issue of raising millions practically useless people.

I liked some of the games they've shown (Manhunt for example) but objectively those videos games offer nothing of substance and some of them like every Call of Duty can only make you dumber person in the long run.

They can paint it as violence problem, school shooting problem, whatever, but they would be doing themselves a favor if they put this modern scourge under control.

I honestly think they should reverse marijuana laws and make it illegal again. Because they'll have as many lung cancer cases in few decades like they would have if they never tried to eradicate tobacco usage among general population. Average people are dumb, you can't expect them to have enough mental strength to figure out what is extremely bad for them, they will willingly poison themselves until they drop dead.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Tibes on March 09, 2018, 11:51:00 pm
In general yeah. The issue with video games isnt violence. Its just constant idless that provides zero to no substance. I doubt just a straight up ban would help that much thou. People will find new ways to just be idle, they did it before the popularity of video games and they will do it after. As far as ive seen in my country, id say the younger women here in general(a demographic that doesnt really game) are about as helpful and capable in the general society as your average male dedicated gamer whose been living at home most his life.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Asheram on March 10, 2018, 12:39:18 am
The same games are played in other countries that people dont go out and shoot-up the neighborhood or schools because they played a "violent" vidya game or watched a "violent" movie.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Leshma on March 10, 2018, 12:43:39 am
Evolution is a thing and it doesn't need millions of years to see gradual changes happen. Tibetans changed physically in less than 2000 years. I think that evolution is responsible for the way women think. In early days of humanity, physically stronger sex as nature dictates established dominance over the weaker sex. In humans males are stronger, just like mantis females are stronger sex. Throughout the course of history, with influence of religions, women minds were shaped in a certain way. I don't think it's biological thing from the get go, something they were predestined for. It's just how it happened given circumstances. Females can change and will probably change if things change in the future. Genetic engineering will erase the difference between males and females and equality will be widely accepted thing of life. That will probably affect civilization in various ways, maybe even lead to crumble of civilziation as we know it. Social interaction can change and become extremely weird from current point of view.

That's my theory why many females are just as useless like your average NEET male with no practical skills and lots of baggage (addictions, obesity, possible financial debt). But in my country I'm seeing more and more females being employed on previously male jobs and doing mostly fine. Not that I consider these jobs particularly useful in grand scheme of things, but in current social and economical climate these people are certainly respected and need for society to function.

Biggest issue human individual can have is inability to adapt, because adaptability is our best trait and reason why we're the dominant specie on this planet. We can adapt ourselves to our surroundings and vice versa, something other animals aren't capable of. Which is why I'm sad every time I see Oberyn or Angantyr rambling over muslim threat because it is out of their reach and they struggle to adapt to it. In the same way they can't adapt to womens changing, their role changing and their freedoms changing. And can't even imagine how different things may become in the future nor they want to think about it.

I'm usually trying to break the mold and keep one step ahead of current trends, because if I somehow succeed in that extremely difficult to achieve task, will put me in advantagous position compared to others and human life is mostly about competition and improvent which comes from it. Current mold and socially accepted status is gaming is a global thing, part of culture, mainstream. Used to be part of counter-culture and niche phenomenonand I was experiencing it in my country. Most people are conformist and see it as an attack against their person when someone speaks ill about problems with video gaming hobby, those same people would ridicule you just 30 years prior for standing up for gaming as a viable hobby. After more than two decades of experience with video games and countless hours spent on playing video games, I think I'm more than well equiped to talk about it. Most scientists analyze certain phenomena for shorter periods of time and claim their analysys have merit. Of course they use scientific method which helps standardize results and gives their higher probability of being correct but two decades of experience with anything is invaluable for any sort of analysis. Most younger people now entering gaming world aren't aware of the pitfalls they are about to face and how gaming and especially excessive gaming which is a thing nowadays due to phychology being huge part of game marketing, will shape their life and their future.

tl;dr gaming more bad than good and women being dumb isn't relevant to issues gaming creates in males, it's smart certain people are trying to regulate it and help millions people end up being better people in the future
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Leshma on March 10, 2018, 12:46:44 am
The same games are played in other countries that people dont go out and shoot-up the neighborhood or schools because they played a "violent" vidya game or watched a "violent" movie.

Due to wars, there is about 60% of mostly illegal firearms per capita in Serbia. But adults don't give those to children to play and children can't legally obtain firearms. But violence issues are there, there is more than ever brutal fights among elementary school students and many of those involve knives.

It's matter of availability when it comes to firearms. But that doesn't change the fact youth is more aggressive than few decades prior. Video games might not have anything to do with it but they aren't helping and might tangentially affect true reasons why youth is aggressive.

Put ban on firearms in USA and you'll see spike in knife attacks. Put ban on knives and they'll choose weapon of choice. But that won't make them less aggressive. In Europe that might not be the issue but they sure are being dumber than ever and I can vouch games are taking part in that.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Asheram on March 10, 2018, 12:53:35 am
Well I guess we all should stop playing crpg and native and not buy Bannerlord as you are riding around chopping people with swords and smashing with mauls and shooting them with bows and crossbows and throwing weapons. Shut it down shut it all down.


Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on March 10, 2018, 08:30:14 am
Average people are dumb, you can't expect them to have enough mental strength to figure out what is extremely bad for them

yes i can!

they will willingly poison themselves until they drop dead.

i cannot really imagine a large section of people that restrain themselves from consumption of psychotropic substances purely out of fear or respect of law/punishment. as you've said- average folk are not very intelligent by certain standards. not citing my shit, but seen plenty of survey studies of convicted criminals that suggests nearly ALL of them have absolutely no thought of the potential consequences of their actions. surely some few people have been dissuaded through propaganda campaigns of DARE and similar things I guess, but long story short, a motherfucker wants to smoke weed, smoke meth, bump heroin, or whatever the fuck under the sun, they'll do it, law or no.

do you really reckon that you'd see a significant portion of citizenry of the US begin to regularly take and become addicted to hard or soft drugs, if they were legalized? maybe my bias but through all of the folk I have met the only ones that fit this classification are people abstaining from weed because of employment (or judicial) drug tests.

Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Drunken_sailor on March 27, 2018, 06:40:11 pm
WWW.predictit.org  bored?  Gamble on political outcomes and help prove market models can forecast future events.

Trump being impeached by the end of 2018?  Yes selling for $0.13

Put your money where your mouth is.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Drunken_sailor on March 27, 2018, 07:12:43 pm
any EU's got the inside information on next italian prime minister?  could make some money on a underdog ballot win.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Leshma on March 27, 2018, 11:50:52 pm
any EU's got the inside information on next italian prime minister?  could make some money on a underdog ballot win.

Some Russian puppet, I guess. It's popular these days, president of strongest country in the world is Russian puppet as well. And Italians have had these kind of PMs in the past, Romano Prodi for example.

KGB on one side, Jewish secret cults on the other. May the most capable human win.

What is interesting, KGB was founded by Jews as Cheka but since then Jews were purged from KGB and Soviet Union.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Drunken_sailor on March 28, 2018, 12:17:20 am
https://www.predictit.org/Market/3895/Who-will-be-prime-minister-of-Italy-on-July-31

 Think Berlusconi still has a chance?  could make $800 if we go all in.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Leshma on March 28, 2018, 02:14:31 pm
He has a chance to die before they put him in jail. His time has passed.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Oberyn on March 28, 2018, 02:40:14 pm
Leshma has spoken, and as is tradition is probably 100% wrong. The odds of Berlusconi becoming prime minister of Italy again just skyrocketed from the simple fact the Leshman thinks it is not possible.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Xant on April 01, 2018, 02:43:22 am
https://medium.com/@bjcampbell/everybodys-lying-about-the-link-between-gun-ownership-and-homicide-1108ed400be5
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Asheram on April 03, 2018, 01:29:29 am
Some really messed up people in this world, well 2 less now. I feel bad for the kids that were stuck in this situation.
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/suvs-plunge-off-cliff-killed-california-family-may-054903013--abc-news-topstories.html
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Xant on April 04, 2018, 12:47:52 am
>female shooting
>0 dead
<laughs in white male
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Kadeth on April 04, 2018, 12:54:33 am
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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Leshma on April 04, 2018, 02:37:31 am
As much Americans hate communism, it did one thing well. Dealt efficiently with fringe groups of problematic individuals such as incels, religious nutcases, white power and rest of human scum. If USA was communist country, white power organizations, incels, gun fanatics, gays, trans etc. wouldn't present themselves in global media, they would be too busy breaking big rocks into smaller ones on some remote rocky island. Oberyns, Angantyrs, Xants, Leshmas of this forum would be inmates doing involuntary work for a long time for greater good of the free workers nation.

Communism tried to create the perfect image of ideal world, where all bad influences would be heavily supressed by state control apparatus. It would never allow internet to exist in this form. Dunno why I as sympathizer of communism still visit this shithole of a forum and read deranged opinion of moronic western European youth, fully immersed into activities that only harm human rationale in the long term.

One thing worth of notice, those same black people wielding guns, eating fried chicken would wear suits and behave rationaly under communist government. As a matter of fact, in period where some African nations were embracing communism they were acting uncharacteristically civilized by their standards. Same can be said for muslims, take Afghanistan under commies and under islamic clerics.

Seems to me that all the wrong shit in this world stems from one place and that one place never embraced communism.

You want well behaved and educated 20th century man, wearing suits, not looking like a junkie with tatoos all over his body. Only one ideology can help you there. The one that turned peasants into citizens. Farm based economy into heavy industry based economy. Employed everybody, provided free housing, worked on preservation of our specie, our health, living standard, product quality, long lasting commodities. Focus on quality not on marketing. You know where to look.

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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Asheram on April 04, 2018, 02:51:21 am
Well Kim jong Un making ties with South Korea, visiting China, China going to Russia to say hey look U.S. we support Russia...
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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Kadeth on April 04, 2018, 06:47:30 am
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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Xant on April 04, 2018, 07:51:12 am
As much Americans hate communism, it did one thing well. Dealt efficiently with fringe groups of problematic individuals such as incels, religious nutcases, white power and rest of human scum. If USA was communist country, white power organizations, incels, gun fanatics, gays, trans etc. wouldn't present themselves in global media, they would be too busy breaking big rocks into smaller ones on some remote rocky island. Oberyns, Angantyrs, Xants, Leshmas of this forum would be inmates doing involuntary work for a long time for greater good of the free workers nation.

Communism tried to create the perfect image of ideal world, where all bad influences would be heavily supressed by state control apparatus. It would never allow internet to exist in this form. Dunno why I as sympathizer of communism still visit this shithole of a forum and read deranged opinion of moronic western European youth, fully immersed into activities that only harm human rationale in the long term.

One thing worth of notice, those same black people wielding guns, eating fried chicken would wear suits and behave rationaly under communist government. As a matter of fact, in period where some African nations were embracing communism they were acting uncharacteristically civilized by their standards. Same can be said for muslims, take Afghanistan under commies and under islamic clerics.

Seems to me that all the wrong shit in this world stems from one place and that one place never embraced communism.

You want well behaved and educated 20th century man, wearing suits, not looking like a junkie with tatoos all over his body. Only one ideology can help you there. The one that turned peasants into citizens. Farm based economy into heavy industry based economy. Employed everybody, provided free housing, worked on preservation of our specie, our health, living standard, product quality, long lasting commodities. Focus on quality not on marketing. You know where to look.

*they were jews but good jews, not american jews which were purged from soviet russia because they sucked as people

You've been going on a lot of unhinged rants lately, are you ok?
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Vibe on April 04, 2018, 01:10:33 pm
As much Americans hate communism, it did one thing well. Dealt efficiently with fringe groups of problematic individuals such as incels, religious nutcases, white power and rest of human scum. If USA was communist country, white power organizations, incels, gun fanatics, gays, trans etc. wouldn't present themselves in global media, they would be too busy breaking big rocks into smaller ones on some remote rocky island. Oberyns, Angantyrs, Xants, Leshmas of this forum would be inmates doing involuntary work for a long time for greater good of the free workers nation.

Communism tried to create the perfect image of ideal world, where all bad influences would be heavily supressed by state control apparatus. It would never allow internet to exist in this form. Dunno why I as sympathizer of communism still visit this shithole of a forum and read deranged opinion of moronic western European youth, fully immersed into activities that only harm human rationale in the long term.

One thing worth of notice, those same black people wielding guns, eating fried chicken would wear suits and behave rationaly under communist government. As a matter of fact, in period where some African nations were embracing communism they were acting uncharacteristically civilized by their standards. Same can be said for muslims, take Afghanistan under commies and under islamic clerics.

Seems to me that all the wrong shit in this world stems from one place and that one place never embraced communism.

You want well behaved and educated 20th century man, wearing suits, not looking like a junkie with tatoos all over his body. Only one ideology can help you there. The one that turned peasants into citizens. Farm based economy into heavy industry based economy. Employed everybody, provided free housing, worked on preservation of our specie, our health, living standard, product quality, long lasting commodities. Focus on quality not on marketing. You know where to look.

Bitch you trippin

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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Tibes on April 04, 2018, 06:57:18 pm
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Seriuslly thou. You can build and adapt whatever political system you like, the meat grinder will always be there.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Tibes on April 04, 2018, 07:15:52 pm
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When you wanna create a fun little youth group, but your town has too much DnD, Yu-Gi-Oh, Harry Potter and Magic the Gathering groups already...
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Angantyr on April 04, 2018, 07:21:46 pm
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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Leshma on April 04, 2018, 11:52:33 pm
Exposing certain individuals as die hard nazis might be the only good thing that came of cRPG community.

Just like Mao, I keep tabs on public opinions. Never know when it might become useful.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Drunken_sailor on April 05, 2018, 12:39:26 am
Leshma when he gets declared president of CRPG forums (go to 1:25 for good bit)
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Oberyn on April 05, 2018, 02:06:23 pm
Leshma when he gets declared president of CRPG forums (go to 1:25 for good bit)

This but unironically.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Vibe on April 06, 2018, 11:24:34 am
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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Xant on April 06, 2018, 01:16:43 pm
The tipping culture in the US is one of the most retarded things ever
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: njames89 on April 06, 2018, 01:24:32 pm
Do people tip a lot in the US? I've never noticed that.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Ikarus on April 06, 2018, 01:29:43 pm
tipping is supposed to be a polite extra, not a requirement

Reminds me of something a buddy lately said: "Even yoghurt has more culture than the us"  :lol: :lol: :lol: (no offense NA buds luv u plznobully)

I almost always tip though, I've been working in the hospitality industry myself and I know that its tough shit. But bluntly asking for a tip is an absolute no-go here
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: njames89 on April 06, 2018, 01:46:49 pm
"Even yoghurt has more culture than the us"  :lol: :lol: :lol: (no offense NA buds luv u plznobully)

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I've never really tipped other than for service at restaurants in the US.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Gravoth_iii on April 06, 2018, 02:10:00 pm
Applauding is the best part. From what ive heard they applaud after a movie and after a plane lands. Such a funny concept to me. >he applauds   :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: njames89 on April 06, 2018, 02:10:31 pm
Applauding is the best part. From what ive heard they applaud after a movie and after a plane lands. Such a funny concept to me. >he applauds   :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Can confirm applauding after movies and planes landing.

"ayy bobby dat der pilot done landed and dint not even get us dead"
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Drunken_sailor on April 06, 2018, 04:20:15 pm
Do you tip strippers in other countries?  Or is that just us too.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Jona on April 06, 2018, 04:36:43 pm
Basically what Havelle said, waiters get paid below minimum wage most of the time and as a result if you don't tip you're basically ripping them off. Granted, no one can force you to tip so if the service really IS that bad, then no one will make you tip. I've personally never tipped anyone other than a waiter/bartender and my barber, and have only ever seen/heard of people tip the valet at a fancy restaurant, a delivery man who brought in a new couch and set it up for them, or people that fix stuff in the house, like a plumber/electrician (and for those guys it isn't so much like you give them a full 20% more or anything, but rather you slap an extra $5-10 in there an call it a day, which is usually peanuts compared to the overall bill). 99% of your tips will be at a restaurant, so I don't necessarily see how it is that out of hand (unless of course you've never tipped before and aren't used to it), with the other 1% being elsewhere in the service industry.

As for clapping, can confirm that people (sometimes) clap at the movies, which I always found to be the dumbest thing. Luckily that trend is kinda dying down around here, and it really only happens opening night/weekend for big blockbusters i.e. star wars or marvel movies that have a huge fan base. If the theater is far from filled up or you're seeing a more indy movie, almost no one bothers to clap. And yes, people clap when they arrive safely on an airplane, luckily I can't say if they clap otherwise.  :lol:
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Vibe on April 06, 2018, 05:21:02 pm
I'm european and I almost always tip but that's because I'm well off and you gotta give some gold coins back to the peasants, otherwise they'll revolt or something
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: IR_Kuoin on April 06, 2018, 05:39:39 pm
Tipping is something a communist would do.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Drunken_sailor on April 06, 2018, 05:59:55 pm
Mmm I think it's the other way around in this case, tipping creates more deviation in social class and imbues a dependence on benevolent aristocrats.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Tibes on April 06, 2018, 06:30:29 pm
Whats the taxes and the rates common workers have to pay in US? I know its varied, but generalize.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Xant on April 06, 2018, 07:21:30 pm
I'm european and I almost always tip but that's because I'm well off and you gotta give some gold coins back to the peasants, otherwise they'll revolt or something
A man after my own taste
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Leshma on April 06, 2018, 08:19:54 pm
i don't believe in charity and tipping is form of charity so... i don't tip

charity is connected with aristocracy and we communists don't like bourgeoisie

basically, charity is way of insulting people with money

https://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/socialist-standard/1990s/1996/no-1097-january-1996/where-charity-begins-why-it-should-end
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Paul on April 06, 2018, 10:40:08 pm
i don't tip

dropped


As sad as it is, tipping is what keeps people with shit jobs from doing a shitty job. At least in theory. I tipped at the snipper and still got both ears.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Westwood on April 06, 2018, 11:38:22 pm
Whats the taxes and the rates common workers have to pay in US? I know its varied, but generalize.
Consider the following:
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Graphics like this might give you a general idea, but it really is a near impossible question to answer given all the data-obscuring issues we have like 45% of households paying no Federal income tax, dumb friends not knowing how to file, Social Security and Medicare revenues being misleading because you're actually paying double what's reported in the form of depressed wages, etc. The numbers that are arrived at by various averages don't necessarily exist in real life, and certainly don't hold true throughout the country; my own State is unusual in that it has no State income tax, for instance, though we pay much more in sales and property taxes (which vary further by county) than most other States.

If you take a look at that IRS form you'll note that there are a great number of lines that need to be checked, added, subtracted, forms attached, and so on. Your final tally (and whether you owe taxes or receive a refund) fluctuates wildly based on your marital status, whether you are a dependent or have/don't have your own dependents, various transfers you received from the government or other individuals that year, your capital, your business, interest on certain loans you've taken, certain kinds of insurance you've purchased, homeownership, what you pay in local taxes, and an assortment of other enjoyable exemptions and deductions.

Even if you look at IRS data and derive some kind of median that's just Federal income tax, there are still State taxes, local taxes and levies, excise taxes. And on top of that whatever median you get is still the product of tens of millions of people filing in different ways at different levels of income, tens of millions not filing at all, tens of millions paying more or less than they ought to be, and all while also having different State and local tax burdens.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Jona on April 06, 2018, 11:45:38 pm
my own State is unusual in that it has no State income tax, for instance, though we pay much more in sales and property taxes (which vary further by county) than most other States.

The American Dream:

Live in Hawaii, work in Washington, buy stuff in New Hampshire. Easily achieved once you invent a teleporter.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Drunken_sailor on April 07, 2018, 12:03:49 am
you can just buy stuff in Oregon
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Jona on April 07, 2018, 12:15:26 am
you can just buy stuff in Oregon

True, idk much about the west coast tbf. So really, I guess all you'd need is a really fast boat/airplane/underwater subway to commute back and forth between Hawaii and Washington.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Turkhammer on April 07, 2018, 12:54:56 am
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As sad as it is, tipping is what keeps people with shit jobs from doing a shitty job. At least in theory. I tipped at the snipper and still got both ears.

No tipping in Japan and no ears lost at the snippers.  Tipping is a scam.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Leshma on April 07, 2018, 01:34:43 am
In one corner you have honest communist who belives in equality and properly calculated cost of goods and services, who never tips (because tip is hidden cost of service). Other corner is occupied by mobster who generously tips because by doing that he's showing class difference between him and service provider, he's mainly generous because he stole the money from honest people. It is always easy to spend money you din't earn by working hard.

About people doing shitty jobs, serving others etc. Communism is all about technology, heavy industry, STEM jobs. As a communist you're not supposed to live in countryside and do manual labor, growing crops and selling them as single entity. You need to use technology and unite yourself with other farmers. But ideally you should live in large, grey concrete buildings and work at local plant, producing materials and goods that will push country forward greatness. Goods like nuclear warheads so you can bomb those filthy western capitalists who like maggots are trying to become wealthy but only less than 1% of them succeed.

If you've never been to former communist country, you have played Half Life 2 so you should have the idea what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on April 07, 2018, 06:26:46 am
Whats the taxes and the rates common workers have to pay in US? I know its varied, but generalize.

westwood gave you nuance, so i'll give you shit-tier anecdotal spoonfeeding

i am an embarrassing college poorfeg (take-home pay like 16k atm) residing in a state that is ranked around 23-25 in terms of some amalgamated tax burden measure that i am not gonna look up any methodology to

i see roughly 1/5 of my income every pay period snatched away and generally receive around 1.1k in "refund" once per year. in terms of gub'mint services that i draw upon (besides MUH ROADS), i receive a 220 shekel subsidy per month for healthcare so i can have something that doesn't suck dick while paying only 50ish/month myself. also receive maybe 1.5k tops subsidy from uncle sam for school twice a year. so i'm basically right there on the edge of not being a net taxpayer but i don't/haven't used emergency services and haven't caused any societal trouble. i am the very cream of the crop of the American Underclass

also i tip 20-25 percent despite being such an embarrassing poormy old friend but i also only rarely go out to eat. had that behavior drilled into me in the period of childhood in which i still felt my father was The Prime Human Being and could do no wrong, and he felt strongly about tipping well.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Golem on April 07, 2018, 09:04:22 am
But what if I am budhist monk that tips because he believes everyone to be enlightened and money has no value to him? So its not an insult but a joke, because I am giving you free pebbles.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Oberyn on April 07, 2018, 09:56:58 am
I used to know some US students who worked as waiters while also going to uni. As said above without tips the average waiter's salary is not a liveable wage. I tended to just mentally add about 15-20 percent to the listed price of food automatically, not unlike the way sales tax isn't displayed on US prices but you just get used to it.

This also apparently made for a lot of drama as waiters at each place had different ways of dealing with tips. An equal way split between all waiters during a certain shift, all out survival of the fittest anarchy and endless whining about how Jessie that total slut took that table of 12 even though we'd agreed the next big take would go to Pamela, that total bitch, etc. 
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Leshma on April 07, 2018, 01:00:09 pm
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The fees for the University of Helsinki Master’s Programmes are 13,000, 15,000 and 18,000 EUR per academic year, depending on the programme.

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Please note that there are no tuition fees for:
  • exchange students
  • PhD students
  • citizens of the European Union (EU), the European Economic Area (EEA) and Switzerland and those who have a permanent residence status within the EU and EEA.

https://www.helsinki.fi/en/studying/tuition-fees

If American, enter some public community college that cost next to nothing per year, enter exchange student programme and go to Finland. Finish studies and get a well paid job. As European citizen you have no obstacles of any kind. Yet many of them choose to sit on their asses and fake mental disability. Scum.

Just because USA is a terrible role model when it comes to most things doesn't mean there aren't countries that do things better.

Many of those waiters in USA are in Work and Travel programmes aka immigrants. Some of them earn minimum wage, some earn 15 USD per hour and both get double in tips. You may think you're boss by giving 15% on top of the bill but they earn their bread when wealthy group of drunkards leave them with 500 dollar bill as a tip after a rough night in a bar.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: SixThumbs on April 07, 2018, 03:29:10 pm
As a pleb being in the US I paid about 30% of my wages as an "independent contractor". Generally it's about 15% payed by the employee and the other 15% paid by the employer with some meager refund at the end of the year.

I also don't understand why it's a hard concept for some non-USers that waiters and waitresses get paid less than minimum wage here and it's being grubby to not tip. I thought it was part of some service fee in the EU so you could pay a baseline rate to the employees? Is it better or worse? That's probably up to the workers, I'm sure some enjoy it here. Depending on the location and based on the restaurant they could potentially go home with a lot of money.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Vibe on April 07, 2018, 05:36:14 pm
I also don't understand why it's a hard concept for some non-USers that waiters and waitresses get paid less than minimum wage here and it's being grubby to not tip. I thought it was part of some service fee in the EU so you could pay a baseline rate to the employees? Is it better or worse? That's probably up to the workers, I'm sure some enjoy it here. Depending on the location and based on the restaurant they could potentially go home with a lot of money.

It's just more secure in the EU. Legally they're required to pay you at least minimum wage, but tips aren't as high. So while a US waiter has the potential to go home with more money on a given day, in EU there's a guaranteed (debatably) decent income. Imagine how the US system of paying "below wage" would go for higher paying jobs such as software development, but then the manager would pay you only 50% of the wage in contract and tip you depending on your results and his whim and mood on a given day. So much potential for abuse.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: SixThumbs on April 08, 2018, 04:08:09 am
I get that, and the scummy practices here when managers expect waiters and waitresses to fulfill extra duties while not waiting tables. It's curious that it somehow became par for the course here but I don't think there's a parallel with non-service related jobs. Food service is the only career where tips are expected to be the main source of income where paying below the minimum is somehow lawful.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Tibes on April 08, 2018, 08:08:38 am
Theres also an issue with taking out larger loans. I doubt tips, being as stable of an income as they are, are counted in there during the process.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on April 08, 2018, 10:37:37 am
Theres also an issue with taking out larger loans. I doubt tips, being as stable of an income as they are, are counted in there during the process.

not playing devil's advocate because you're correct- although a secured credit card with deposit of $250 or so, making regular expense purchases on it and paying off balance monthly will do more to advance your credit score/potential for loans than a higher income will, to a certain degree.

but if one can manage to find the proper location, you can really bamboozle the IRS and make 3-4x your declared earnings. there's a country club/resort type of thing near me that snowbird Yanks and what passes for southern aristocracy in 2018 frequent. minimum wage at 7.25/hr but you've got real conspicuous consumers in there throwing around gigantic cash tips. boggles my mind, people banging out a 1-5k bill on liquor and tipping a few hundred to someone like it ain't shit. but that happens pretty frequently.

of course, not saying that essentially professionally sucking up to richcunts is particularly useful to the condition of humanity or likely to be "self-actualizing" but man, you can at least get hood rich off cash tips. most usefully, simply not declaring the large majority of your cash tips to daddy gub'mint.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Drunken_sailor on April 09, 2018, 11:05:58 pm
FBI raided the El chumpo's lawyers house, lol.

Luckily his jump suit will match his skin tone.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on April 09, 2018, 11:24:29 pm
FBI raided the El chumpo's lawyers house, lol.

Luckily his jump suit will match his skin tone.

they should have actually done something about Flynn being a literal anti-Gulenist Turkish agent on behalf of that watermelon-seller Erdogan

you're much more likely to see land war take place in Syria, Iran, elsewhere in the next two years than trump occupying a jail cell
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Drunken_sailor on April 09, 2018, 11:42:50 pm
TFW you will be too old for WWIII
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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Asheram on April 10, 2018, 02:01:51 am
Anyone want to join Eden's gate with me?
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Oberyn on April 10, 2018, 11:10:26 am
FBI raided the El chumpo's lawyers house, lol.

Luckily his jump suit will match his skin tone.

This is it! Drumpf is done! Impeachment any second now for the bad cheetoh orange man! How can he ever recover. Hahaha wow you truly are the most basic of retards. How closely related were your parents?
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Drunken_sailor on April 10, 2018, 03:19:38 pm
Jeez man, piss on a guy for dreaming why dont you?  I know he's going to be okay as long as the republicans control it all.  Im hopefull for the shift in control next election cycle.

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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Westwood on April 10, 2018, 08:02:49 pm
faint slurping noises
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Drink up
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Drunken_sailor on April 10, 2018, 08:22:27 pm
I'm more of a soylent-green man myself

also westwood on tv
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Drunken_sailor on April 14, 2018, 06:46:26 am
if you pay attention you can see how popular movies in the US get ruined by *most likley* CIA influence on hollywood.

example #1 alien vs aliens: alien.. no us miltary presence, aliens.. heavy us military presence

example #2 AlienvsPredator(AVP) vs AlienVsPredator Requeim(AVP requeim): AVP.. no us military, AVP reqeuiem.. heavy us military presence

example #3 28 days later vs 28 weeks later: 28 days later.. no us military presence (anti miltary aspects), 28 weeks later.. heavy military presence (pro military aspects)

example #4 pacific rim(PR) vs pacific rim 2(PR2):  PR.. anti authoritarian plot; just monster vs robots, PR2.. proauthoritarian plot, heavy us military presence.

I could go on, but why in a country where we are supposed to be free from our own governments propaghanda we have too deal with this kind of shit.

also feel free to add to the list.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on April 14, 2018, 09:34:04 am
if you pay attention you can see how popular movies in the US get ruined by *most likley* CIA influence on hollywood.

example #1 alien vs aliens: alien.. no us miltary presence, aliens.. heavy us military presence

example #2 AlienvsPredator(AVP) vs AlienVsPredator Requeim(AVP requeim): AVP.. no us military, AVP reqeuiem.. heavy us military presence

example #3 28 days later vs 28 weeks later: 28 days later.. no us military presence (anti miltary aspects), 28 weeks later.. heavy military presence (pro military aspects)

example #4 pacific rim(PR) vs pacific rim 2(PR2):  PR.. anti authoritarian plot; just monster vs robots, PR2.. proauthoritarian plot, heavy us military presence.

I could go on, but why in a country where we are supposed to be free from our own governments propaghanda we have too deal with this kind of shit.

also feel free to add to the list.

the very first time i've agreed with anything you've posted- Zero Dark Thirty is the most obvious example of mil-ind propaganda, but there are plenty. a guy from the UK does a whole lot of analysis on intelligence shops' influence on media like film. he's pretty great, although his topics of focus sometimes frustrate me as he's a really intelligent, driven guy that never got over his childhood James Bond fascination. he would nail a lot of shit in the terror war and other topics but he sticks to strictly proven or reasonably speculative spook shit, mostly. https://www.spyculture.com/podcast/
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Leshma on April 14, 2018, 02:01:04 pm
Syria is reciving more Freedom as we speak. Thank God for Freedom!

Edit: It's funny because I overslept this morning and had a dream about nasty alien invasion, some sort of shape shifters having enourmous physical power with rabbid dogs as their sidekicks. Bunch of alien planes on the sky, people running everywhere. Going to underworld tunnels, children being ripped by said dogs all over the place. Sureal dream, kinda like War of the Worlds set. Must be PTSD from previous events I've already encountered.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Gravoth_iii on April 14, 2018, 03:03:28 pm
Syria is reciving more Freedom as we speak. Thank God for Freedom!

Edit: It's funny because I overslept this morning and had a dream about nasty alien invasion, some sort of shape shifters having enourmous physical power with rabbid dogs as their sidekicks. Bunch of alien planes on the sky, people running everywhere. Going to underworld tunnels, children being ripped by said dogs all over the place. Sureal dream, kinda like War of the Worlds set. Must be PTSD from previous events I've already encountered.

I dreamt i gave birth through my asshole.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Bittersteel on April 14, 2018, 03:09:24 pm
I dreamt i gave birth through my asshole.

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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Westwood on April 14, 2018, 11:38:11 pm
zip zop
zoopity bop
But why does it matter? It's a given that our military will have some sort of PR apparatus, and in a cesspool culture that places inordinate value on entertainment flicks this PR scheme very likely includes partial funding of the odd media project that portrays the military in a positive light. Wasteful, perhaps, but hardly insidious. The vast majority of entertainment media still portrays the military negatively or at least without realism, if anything causing a vast net increase in the civil-military divide (possibly one of the biggest challenges facing our military this century tbh). If some glow-in-the-dark friend needs to visit the Shekelstein film studio and drop off some cash for the average mutt to learn what an MRAP is then I guess that's just the gay world we live in. Myself personally, I'm much more spooked by what the entertainment industry as a whole supposedly does for free than what our spooks allegedly pay it to do.

I'm not even sure if I'd call these alleged marketing efforts "propaganda" (though I've admittedly only seen Alien and Aliens out of all of those movies), but by the way http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/07/14/u-s-repeals-propaganda-ban-spreads-government-made-news-to-americans/ (http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/07/14/u-s-repeals-propaganda-ban-spreads-government-made-news-to-americans/)
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Drunken_sailor on April 15, 2018, 04:51:36 am
Mostly I'm mad becuase they ruin good movies.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Asheram on April 15, 2018, 05:01:59 am
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on April 15, 2018, 06:11:04 am
But why does it matter? It's a given that our military will have some sort of PR apparatus, and in a cesspool culture that places inordinate value on entertainment flicks this PR scheme very likely includes partial funding of the odd media project that portrays the military in a positive light. Wasteful, perhaps, but hardly insidious. The vast majority of entertainment media still portrays the military negatively or at least without realism, if anything causing a vast net increase in the civil-military divide (possibly one of the biggest challenges facing our military this century tbh). If some glow-in-the-dark friend needs to visit the Shekelstein film studio and drop off some cash for the average mutt to learn what an MRAP is then I guess that's just the gay world we live in. Myself personally, I'm much more spooked by what the entertainment industry as a whole supposedly does for free than what our spooks allegedly pay it to do.

I'm not even sure if I'd call these alleged marketing efforts "propaganda" (though I've admittedly only seen Alien and Aliens out of all of those movies), but by the way http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/07/14/u-s-repeals-propaganda-ban-spreads-government-made-news-to-americans/ (http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/07/14/u-s-repeals-propaganda-ban-spreads-government-made-news-to-americans/)

good points as always- and important to make distinction between fairly innocuous spook shit and REAL spook shit, u knawmean? i would do well to remember that.

a small counterexample: the film United 93 came out in 2005; the air traffic controller scenes weren't actually scripted per se. they were like, semi-improv with Pentagon bois sitting in and coaching the actors. the biggest discrepancy is the ATC guys in the movie being calm, cool, and collected but totally blindsided, ignorant, and helpless (and thusly absolved of all potential guilt or responsibility) when in reality there are several statements from .mil officers claiming that ATC was aware of the hi-jacked plane, and either was absolutely negligent (SOP for reporting a plane hijacking at that time was literally 1 minute delay if the frontline ATC guy can't "fix it") in reporting to NORAD.

for a much better and more fleshed-out analysis: https://www.spyculture.com/clandestime-080-united-93/

its only 25 mins or so, pretty interesting listen.

i don't agree that most media depicts the military poorly- could you give me some examples there?
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Westwood on April 15, 2018, 08:37:36 am
i don't agree that most media depicts the military poorly- could you give me some examples there?
Avatar, the highest grossing movie of all time, is a decent example off the top of my head. If you saw it you may recall the grizzled hardass villain trampling upon the poor indigenes and their quaint way of life in service to corporate greed. The (disabled) protagonist goes native and must defeat the militant, imperialistic, evil whites humans with the help of a diverse band of his fellow turncoats, scientists (I fcking love science btw), and tall blue niggas that probably smoke a lot of grass and get along really well with animals and shit. Our hero naturally faces additional adversity from the warrior class of tall blue niggas, who take umbrage at an outsider culturally enriching their princess like the bigoted jarheads they are. These are tropes you often see repeated, no? In science-fiction and fantasy, aren't military organizations usually depicted as backwards, incompetent, overreaching? War films sometimes glorify their subject matter but I can think of more that focus on depravity and pacifist messaging than otherwise. These are the depictions that people like Archibot enjoy, and by reinforcing them a movie studio can make something culturally relevant (maybe even woke) that talking heads will write about and encourage people to see. I have no problem* with any of this by the way, I don't watch movies often and even many of the few I like are decidedly anti-war or anti-military in tone, I just think media more often portrays military matters negatively than positively.

Entertainment media being such a huge part of the way people understand the world and conceptualize real-life situations is what I find unfortunate.

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Mostly I'm mad becuase they ruin good movies.
I think the last good movie I saw was No Country for Old Men tbh and that was a decade ago
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on April 15, 2018, 10:40:27 am
Avatar, the highest grossing movie of all time, is a decent example off the top of my head. If you saw it you may recall the grizzled hardass villain trampling upon the poor indigenes and their quaint way of life in service to corporate greed. The (disabled) protagonist goes native and must defeat the militant, imperialistic, evil whites humans with the help of a diverse band of his fellow turncoats, scientists (I fcking love science btw), and tall blue niggas that probably smoke a lot of grass and get along really well with animals and shit. Our hero naturally faces additional adversity from the warrior class of tall blue niggas, who take umbrage at an outsider culturally enriching their princess like the bigoted jarheads they are. These are tropes you often see repeated, no? In science-fiction and fantasy, aren't military organizations usually depicted as backwards, incompetent, overreaching? War films sometimes glorify their subject matter but I can think of more that focus on depravity and pacifist messaging than otherwise. These are the depictions that people like Archibot enjoy, and by reinforcing them a movie studio can make something culturally relevant (maybe even woke) that talking heads will write about and encourage people to see. I have no problem* with any of this by the way, I don't watch movies often and even many of the few I like are decidedly anti-war or anti-military in tone, I just think media more often portrays military matters negatively than positively.

Entertainment media being such a huge part of the way people understand the world and conceptualize real-life situations is what I find unfortunate.

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I think the last good movie I saw was No Country for Old Men tbh and that was a decade ago

ah, i getcha. point taken; makes me wonder if the script/plot was focus-grouped to tap into that cultural zeitgest in order to rake in those bucks or if they just decided to hatchet-job Pocahantas' tale because lol why not thats easy and HOLY SHIT LOOK AT THE MONEY WE ARE MAKING

off-topic, but you might really enjoy this book. if you've ever read Moon is a Harsh Mistress by Heinlein it is similar. a lot of realistic lampooning of "disability acceptance" and other social justice movements in addition to the lovely space ancap fever dream fantasy
https://www.amazon.com/Powers-Earth-Aristillus-Book-ebook/dp/B005JPPMS6

furthermore Sam Hyde is, as always, very prescient:

skip to 6:00 if you'd like. "The west’s sick addiction to fossil fuel ss going to make this planet uninhabitable for the future generations. Uhh. You’ll know what I’m talking about if you’ve seen the movie “An Inconvenient Truth”. It’s essentially what’s going on is we’re too selfish, and we’re driving our cars too much, and that’s getting nature out of the picture.

Now we looked at the data, we looked at the data, and what we found surprised us. What we found, right there, what we found was that culture is a sewer. We’ve got lewd media. We’ve got nasty bedroom things on TV. And they’re sexualizing young girls, and it’s getting to the point where even I have a problem with it. And that, it shouldn’t be that way.

Folks, we’re all world citizens. Is there another…? There we go. We’re all world citizens, living together, with one social contract, one economic future, we’re all tied together. There’s no more individual anymore, it’s just the hive. So we have to stick together. We have to stick together, and learn how to share. We have to learn how to share.

Now studies show that we work hard. It’s true. Everybody in this room’s a hard worker. You’re a hard worker, you’re a hard worker, you’re a hard worker. I know cuz you’re here, okay? But studies show that we don’t play hard enough. We gotta play harder! It’s, because "it’s that sense of childlike playing, ehh, that’s gonna save us in the end"- Albert Einstein.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: SixThumbs on April 15, 2018, 04:42:18 pm
Part of the civilian/military divide is because the military encourages looking down on "dirty, nasty, disgusting" civilians. Another part is the consequence of an endless war on terror which has come to a proxy war for resources and pipelines. I do agree on the smut that passes for mainstream entertainment but the military basically only lets you use their toys and equipment if you shed a positive light on the institution.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Drunken_sailor on April 15, 2018, 05:35:01 pm
I think the last good movie I saw was No Country for Old Men tbh and that was a decade ago

Dunkirik was good also pro military

Part of the civilian/military divide is because the military encourages looking down on "dirty, nasty, disgusting" civilians. Another part is the consequence of an endless

I disagree, the military does not encourage your to look down on civilians, they do try to convince you it easier to be in the military than to go back to being a civilian.  being enlisted is a very tight nit society, which can be mistaken for snobish eliteism.  The majority of military members eat-live-sleep-work-play ect with other military personel because of the demanding nature of the job.

Avatar was just a Dances with wolves rip off.  The movies are a much better medium for showing military as evil, the discipline and orginization can be visually intense and scare most people.  For realism in military you have to read books, they are much better at portraying the good and bad sides as well as the subtle balance between people who are in the military becuase it is a job and those who are there because they are intesley patriotic.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Leshma on April 15, 2018, 08:47:21 pm
Or can't find any other job. By far the dumbest people I've met belonged to military and police enforcement. Policemen are worse and sticking together is more prouncenced among them. They are also more corrupt than army officers.

I'm surrounded by former military types, because I live in a building which was intended for military personnel. Bunch of retired generals and colonels are my neighbours. There's atomic shelter beneath me as well, relic of previous cold war.

Avatar was popular because it was technically well done, nothing to do with storyline.

Military/police are just dumb people given power. They aren't necessary evil, their evil actions comes from their stupoidity. Truly evil people are politicians and those who join secret service. They are nasty folks. Half criminals, half politicians, think of Putin and you've got the picture.

At leasts how it works in (former) commie state.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: SixThumbs on April 15, 2018, 09:49:24 pm
Boot camp is literally about stripping away individuality to fit into a hierarchical structure and obeying orders from the top-down based mostly on time spent in the apparatus. The first thing they want out of your head is that you're not a dirty civilian anymore and their rules are no longer your rules. You don't need to be patriotic, mostly you need to have run out of options and opportunities elsewhere in society; serving the country, or at least Joe on the street, is probably the last thing you end up doing any good for.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Westwood on April 15, 2018, 10:20:52 pm
Part of the civilian/military divide is because the military encourages looking down on "dirty, nasty, disgusting" civilians. Another part is the consequence of an endless war on terror which has come to a proxy war for resources and pipelines. I do agree on the smut that passes for mainstream entertainment but the military basically only lets you use their toys and equipment if you shed a positive light on the institution.
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There's nothing wrong with wars for resources, they're an important part of the human experience and we've divided finite resources through them for millennia. Proxy wars are a natural consequence of the concentration of global power in two or more nations and always have been, but especially since the Peace of Westphalia, like everything else.

Or can't find any other job. By far the dumbest people I've met belonged to military and police enforcement.
Funny, the dumbest people I've met have been the software slaves that congregate around Jeff Bezos' giant balls. Materially knowledgeable and satisfied, but always like deer in headlights in any situation other than clickity-clack codewriting or Seattle Sounders games. Maybe that's just attributable to there being more of them where I live than where you live, eh?

furthermore Sam Hyde is, as always, very prescient
I still think that Ted talk bit is some of the best content he's put out, I hated that pretentious savior-complex shit. His lampooning of it was perfect.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Golem on April 15, 2018, 11:43:40 pm
Leshma you're a fucking idiot. Putin, or any other secret service, are the good guys. You wanna know who the truly evil people are? Medicine professionals. What person, can honestly and truthfuly swear to never intentionally cause any harm to a patient/other person? There are intentions, which you either cannot comprehend or cannot control. The Hippocratic Oath is a fitting name, because it's the hypocritical oath. Nice little pun there.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Westwood on April 16, 2018, 12:22:44 am
Why aren't you over there fighting again?
Possibly because I was 13 when the last American combat troops withdrew from Iraq and and when our withdrawal from Afghanistan was announced three years later I made the mistake of committing to a number of years of community college which my high school graduation would then be dependent on. Been working on remedying that mistake lately, been meeting with a recruiter the past few months. But that's more of my life than you really need to know about :^)
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Leshma on April 16, 2018, 03:42:06 am
Damn, another one. Last time it was @Bobthehero. Wonder if he ever got to enlist.

No need to waste words. It's always the best to learn from personal experience when it comes to war.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Drunken_sailor on April 16, 2018, 03:59:26 am
Join the air force and sit in a chair all-day
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Xant on April 16, 2018, 04:32:13 am
War......... war never changes.........
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Kadeth on April 16, 2018, 04:47:00 am
you tellin' me there are things of significance in the USA outside of guns, big tiddies and cheeseburgers ??
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Paul on April 16, 2018, 08:20:56 am
Can we make career suggestions for Westwood? Ordnance removal, heuristics specialist.

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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Vibe on April 16, 2018, 11:16:21 am
you tellin' me there are things of significance in the USA outside of guns, big tiddies and cheeseburgers ??

2d tiddies

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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Xant on April 16, 2018, 05:38:41 pm
@Westwood

What's your stance on Chemical Weapons?

A) Just 'big TNT'
B) Not all weapons are created equal

(this might be on the test)
So you think chemical weapons are worse than non-chemical weapons? Based on what logic? It's fine to kill people with normal explosives, like a civilized dictator, but god forbid you kill people with chemical weapons!
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Golem on April 16, 2018, 05:57:26 pm
So you think chemical weapons are worse than non-chemical weapons? Based on what logic? It's fine to kill people with normal explosives, like a civilized dictator, but god forbid you kill people with chemical weapons!

Because chemical weapons are double stage.
You throw a grenade, it explodes and kills a person.
You hook a grenade up in a tripwire and it kills a person 20 years after the conflict.

You use a chemical weapon, it kills a person, it poisons the environment and affects several generations after the conflict.
You lose a chemical weapon, it leaks, it poisons the environment and affects hundreds of generations after the conflict.

Yeah, Xant, I wonder which one is objectively shittier.

edit: It's like you don't read the AIR2.0 thread
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Drunken_sailor on April 16, 2018, 06:36:31 pm
Yeah EOD for sure, a lot of job openings and you get the spec ops title.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Xant on April 16, 2018, 07:29:46 pm
Because chemical weapons are double stage.
You throw a grenade, it explodes and kills a person.
You hook a grenade up in a tripwire and it kills a person 20 years after the conflict.

You use a chemical weapon, it kills a person, it poisons the environment and affects several generations after the conflict.
You lose a chemical weapon, it leaks, it poisons the environment and affects hundreds of generations after the conflict.

Yeah, Xant, I wonder which one is objectively shittier.

edit: It's like you don't read the AIR2.0 thread
Yes, I, too, wonder which one is objectively shittier. The conclusion I've come to is that the answer is, and must be, "neither."

If a CM kills 200 people, how is it better than a chemical weapon killing 20 now and 40 later? Logically speaking, it's not. Only someone thinking about it emotionally would be of the opinion that chemical weapons are some kind of a bogeyman while "conventional" weapons are fine.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Leshma on April 16, 2018, 07:39:17 pm
Stupid people are multiplying at such alarming rates that not even sending them to die in middle east can put a dent in their numbers. As we can see some are still eager to fight even tho USA have no plans for such a thing, this missile strike was presentation of new toys for potential buyers and also acting like tough guy on geopolitical scene. Bunch of liberals in USA crying, but those missiles cost more than fixing Flints water pipes. Yeah, but those fired missiles are representation cost, while fixing water pipes will not yield any profit.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Drunken_sailor on April 16, 2018, 09:20:07 pm
Believe me I wish people could stop killing each other, but if you think there is no difference I encourage you to go look up some pictures of the effects on people caused by chemical weapons, a bullet does seem civilized compared to these things.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Golem on April 16, 2018, 09:37:44 pm
If a CM kills 200 people, how is it better than a chemical weapon killing 20 now and 40 later?
200
20 + 40 = ?


When you make it disproportionate like that, obviously I'll have to agree with you. Or will I?
Would you rather have 0 out of 200 people, or 140 people some of which are mourning for their loved ones that they've lost, forty people that are terminally ill and that some of those hundred and forty people have to care for, as well as a good portion of those people being negatively affected by the chemicals - not to mention the number of birth defects of those seventy women(*) and even the cultural trauma of being attacked with chemical weapons?

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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Xant on April 16, 2018, 10:06:18 pm
Believe me I wish people could stop killing each other, but if you think there is no difference I encourage you to go look up some pictures of the effects on people caused by chemical weapons, a bullet does seem civilized compared to these things.
Oh, so it's just an aesthetics issue, then? That's an interesting theory of ethics, but I'll bite. Have you seen pictures of the effects on people caused by regular old bombs?
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Xant on April 16, 2018, 10:07:19 pm
even the cultural trauma of being attacked with chemical weapons?
LMAO
Title: Re: Meanwhile in Westwood
Post by: Westwood on April 16, 2018, 10:13:02 pm
These Heskey and Xant posts made me chuckle heartily. I enjoyed the use of the word "objective," especially. If you want a real answer I'm squarely in the big TNT™ camp. The concept of arms control itself is bizarre to me, but we are bound by various treaties and conventions I guess. Chemical weapons are great for drumming up normies but the real points of interest will remain the port of Tartus and assorted strategic pipelines.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Drunken_sailor on April 16, 2018, 10:29:36 pm
I know the Russians have a keen interest in xants mothers house.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Leshma on April 16, 2018, 10:36:36 pm
It's not just oil and gas pipelines, like I already said arms trade is very important. I'm sure Assad is throwing sarin on Daesh (so called rebel forces) every week but currently that matters because few weeks ago Putin announced anti-missile system that is capable of stopping any barrage of missiles, which is complete nonsense but Putin loving crowd bought into that. USA has spent billions of USD on R&D of new missiles so their competitor in arms race claiming their product isn't effective anymore is disastrous for business. Trump as leader of USA had to show the world that isn't the case, which will prompt dictators of third world countries to buy American missiles instead of Russian anti-missile systems.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Golem on April 16, 2018, 10:57:29 pm
LMAO

You laugh, but you dont know. You don't know, but I laugh.
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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Drunken_sailor on April 16, 2018, 11:02:50 pm
This is all the uzbek's fault.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Drunken_sailor on April 16, 2018, 11:32:18 pm
I have a ZTE phone, what can I research on it to freak out the Chinese guy collecting data from it?
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Golem on April 17, 2018, 12:28:59 am
"cheap organ transplant" "organ transplant monopoly" "organ transplant startup" "organCoin" "chinese brainwashing strategies" "toad toe cult" "asian baby psychosomatics 101"
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Xant on April 17, 2018, 02:21:11 am
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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Asheram on April 17, 2018, 02:37:09 am
So xant supports the use of chemical weapons.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: SixThumbs on April 17, 2018, 02:40:06 am
I think Xant's point is that the nitty-gritty of war is a dirty nightmarish thing no matter the tools used and it's only sanitized in media and treaties for optics to better sell it to the public at large.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Asheram on April 17, 2018, 02:47:29 am
I think Xant's point is that the nitty-gritty of war is a dirty nightmarish thing no matter the tools used and it's only sanitized in media and treaties for optics to better sell it to the public at large.
From reading a few of his earlier posts it seemed like to me he was justifying chemical weapons because of the use of conventional weapons.
But conventional weapons are not going to go away, at least not til the inhabitants of this planet decide to just nuke it back to the stoneage.

Trying to say the use chemical weapons is no worse than the use of conventional weapons isn't valid. So lets just validate nukes now too.

Unless you are trying to say chemical weapons were not used in this incident and the powers to be just embellished it so they could invade.

I don't think the treaties that were made after WW1 over the use of chemical weapons and there ban were agreed to for no reason.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Xant on April 17, 2018, 03:27:12 am
The only difference between "conventional weapons" and "chemical weapons" is semantics.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on April 17, 2018, 03:29:03 am
From reading a few of his earlier posts it seemed like to me he was justifying chemical weapons because of the use of conventional weapons.
But conventional weapons are not going to go away, at least not til the inhabitants of this planet decide to just nuke it back to the stoneage.

Trying to say the use chemical weapons is no worse than the use of conventional weapons isn't valid. So lets just validate nukes now too.

Unless you are trying to say chemical weapons were not used in this incident and the powers to be just embellished it so they could invade.

I don't think the treaties that were made after WW1 over the use of chemical weapons and there ban were agreed to for no reason.

hey sixthumbs i'll play xant defense force with you right quick. i'm pretty sure something similar to "what does a dead man care about his method of death?" is germane here.

besides, chemical weapons are not prohibited by international treaty solely because the death itself is horrifying, painful, brutal, or anything else like that. a larger part of it is the environmental impact. bit difficult to obtain proper statistics, but Agent Orange use in Vietnam (hurrrr its JUST a defoliant and its fiiiiine, how else we gonna get fire-lanes set up in the jungle??) has promoted a large increase in birth defects, cancers, miscarriage, et cetera. even if not using something thats gonna have an impact that far down the road, bio-chem weapons aren't exactly "precision"

of course, not that strikes termed "precision strikes" are very precise either but that probably has much more to do with shit-tier intel sourced from unvetted local tribal fucksticks.

your comment about nukes is silly; even compared to Sarin or hyper-botulism or whatever in Christ's name humans have cooked up that ain't straight up Captain Trips nuclear exchange is pretty much the worst thing for the whole world that can happen.

anyway HEY IS ___ ALLOWED TO GAS PEOPLE? WHOS GONNA STOP HIM? ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO *NOTHING*? is not important frankly

Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Xant on April 17, 2018, 03:34:40 am
Strip away the moralistic opposition to chemical weapons and you often find strategic self-interest lying underneath. Powerful countries like the United States cultivate a taboo against using WMD partly because they have a vast advantage in conventional arms. We want to draw stark lines around acceptable and unacceptable kinds of warfare because the terrain that we carve out is strategically favorable. Washington can defeat most enemy states in a few days — unless the adversary uses WMD to level the playing field.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/12/syrian-civilians-better-hope-they-die-in-the-right-way/265848/
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Golem on April 17, 2018, 03:35:30 am
The only difference between "conventional weapons" and "chemical weapons" is semantics.

It's anything but that. In the first, you are injuring people. In the latter case, you are injuring people as well as injuring their ability to heal.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Xant on April 17, 2018, 03:36:37 am
It's anything but that. In the first, you are injuring people. In the latter case, you are injuring people as well as injuring their ability to heal.

LMAO
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Golem on April 17, 2018, 03:38:58 am
LMAO

Obviously this assumes that you think about war as an event, something that happens between peace. If war is just an ending to you, then sure, lets nuke the planet. Semantics indeed.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Xant on April 17, 2018, 03:40:01 am
Obviously this assumes that you think about war as an event, something that happens between peace. If war is just an ending to you, then sure, lets nuke the planet. Semantics indeed.
Your posts are so unbelievably dumb I'm going to go ahead and assume you're trolling.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Leshma on April 17, 2018, 03:55:16 am
Sarin effects can be minimized if medical team threat patient in time. In case of good old bombing (conventional enough?), patient can lose limbs and lower torso. It's a good thing patients ability to heal is intact, everything is gonna be fine lol
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Golem on April 17, 2018, 03:57:38 am
Your posts are so unbelievably dumb I'm going to go ahead and assume you're trolling.

You haven't put up a sensible argument to any of them.

Quote
LMAO

Who's the troll here?

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so unbelievably dumb
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Xant on April 17, 2018, 03:58:58 am
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THANK GOD THEY DIDNT USE CHEMICAL WEAPONS AND TAKE AWAY MY ABILITY TO HEAL
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Golem on April 17, 2018, 04:04:00 am
You're welcome
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Asheram on April 17, 2018, 04:29:40 am
hey sixthumbs i'll play xant defense force with you right quick. i'm pretty sure something similar to "what does a dead man care about his method of death?" is germane here.

besides, chemical weapons are not prohibited by international treaty solely because the death itself is horrifying, painful, brutal, or anything else like that. a larger part of it is the environmental impact. bit difficult to obtain proper statistics, but Agent Orange use in Vietnam (hurrrr its JUST a defoliant and its fiiiiine, how else we gonna get fire-lanes set up in the jungle??) has promoted a large increase in birth defects, cancers, miscarriage, et cetera. even if not using something thats gonna have an impact that far down the road, bio-chem weapons aren't exactly "precision"

of course, not that strikes termed "precision strikes" are very precise either but that probably has much more to do with shit-tier intel sourced from unvetted local tribal fucksticks.

your comment about nukes is silly; even compared to Sarin or hyper-botulism or whatever in Christ's name humans have cooked up that ain't straight up Captain Trips nuclear exchange is pretty much the worst thing for the whole world that can happen.

anyway HEY IS ___ ALLOWED TO GAS PEOPLE? WHOS GONNA STOP HIM? ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO *NOTHING*? is not important frankly
Sorry I was only using nukes as a hypothetical situation because at this point that is the only thing that is going to stop conventional arms, but I am sure as the survivors leave the bunkers the cycle will start again. And if you start ignoring stuff like chemical weapons and such how long till nukes come into it.

And to the ones that think everyone should get rid off all their weapons because the other guy "said" they were going to get rid of theirs I think you are niave try to blame US all you want.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Westwood on April 17, 2018, 05:53:18 am
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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Golem on April 17, 2018, 01:17:47 pm
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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Drunken_sailor on April 17, 2018, 06:14:14 pm
Chemical weapons are bad, end of story.  If you want to die by inhalling chlorine gas be my guest, do it and do the world a favor.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Tibes on April 17, 2018, 06:25:37 pm
Bullets? Get that weak shit outta here. I have the ability to heal.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Xant on April 17, 2018, 07:53:02 pm
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Golem wakes up in a hospital bed, all his limbs amputated and both eyes gone. He asks the doctor if chemical weapons were involved. When the doctor says no, Golem lets out a whoop of joy. The doctor is confused. Golem asks how long it takes for humans to regrow limbs and eyes. The doctor is even more confused and says humans can't do that. Golem is also confused, didn't the doctor just say no chemical weapons were used? The doctor tells him that humans actually have a very limited ability to heal, even if chemical weapons weren't involved.
-excerpt from a short story called "Golem Learns Medicine"
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Drunken_sailor on April 17, 2018, 07:55:19 pm
We can build a better leg, we can't build a better nervous system.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Golem on April 17, 2018, 08:47:06 pm
yet
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Drunken_sailor on April 17, 2018, 09:49:03 pm
yet
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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Jona on April 17, 2018, 09:52:16 pm
Maybe we'll live to see a reminder in our own cities of why Chemical Weapons were banned in the first place.

"See? Chemical weapons aren't so bad... supposedly all of Finland is covered with a cloud of Chlorine gas, so no one can go outdoors anymore. But hey, I haven't noticed any difference." - Xant, 2020
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Xant on April 17, 2018, 10:11:55 pm
We can build a better leg, we can't build a better nervous system.
Star Wars isn't real life, alas. You probably shouldn't use it to figure out what science can do.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Golem on April 17, 2018, 10:47:10 pm
I recommend you watch this in its entirety for maximum effect
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Xant on April 17, 2018, 11:15:48 pm
Ah yes, look at that graceful "I'm 110 years old" gait. Truly, a better leg. I don't understand why everyone doesn't get amputated and get a pair of those.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Drunken_sailor on April 17, 2018, 11:22:05 pm
Or the runner banned from the Olympics for his prosthetic limbs.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/olympics/athletics/7141302.stm
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Golem on April 17, 2018, 11:32:33 pm
You're not helping, Xant. Thank you.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Xant on April 17, 2018, 11:41:20 pm
Or the runner banned from the Olympics for his prosthetic limbs.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/olympics/athletics/7141302.stm
Yes, wheelchairs also practically make you a cyborg, otherwise why wouldn't we see people in wheelchairs in the NFL?
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Tibes on April 18, 2018, 12:15:49 am
Ive been laughing at the words "muh ability to heal" all day.

The human body is a complete piece of shit. You could trip on a rock in a desert, break your leg and limp for the rest of your life. I dont know how many people I know irl, who cant do like half the exercises in the gym without immense pain, because of some long ago basic af accident. I cant even imagine the crap you end up with after getting shrapnel or a bullet up your arse.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Xant on April 18, 2018, 12:19:37 am
Ive been laughing at the words "muh ability to heal" all day.
It doesn't make any sense from any kind of angle, but there's no point in thinking too deeply about that, because like everything else Golem's said, it's completely retarded.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Golem on April 18, 2018, 12:53:06 am
who cant do like half the exercises in the gym without immense pain, because of some long ago basic af accident

People also feel their long gone stump'ove'leg hurting. It's all in your head.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Drunken_sailor on April 18, 2018, 01:21:06 am
Yes, wheelchairs also practically make you a cyborg, otherwise why wouldn't we see people in wheelchairs in the NFL?
The NFL is a hoax, like pro wrestling.  Regardless I don't think they will allow this bad boy anytime soon.
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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Golem on April 18, 2018, 01:22:28 am
China ahead of the curve as always

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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Leshma on April 18, 2018, 01:49:42 am
Depleted uranium is depleted of radioactivity and therefore not chemical weapon. You can ask Pentagon million times and this is the answer they'll always give you.

Imagine if they told you simple truth that depleted uranium is actual nuclear waste from nuclear powerplants which makes it extremely cheap plus it is very effective at breaking thick armor. Cheap and effective, better lie about it not being environmental hazard just like Ruskies lie about Sarin attacks in Syria. Because coating missile in radioactive waste isn't like spreading radioactive waste all over the place.

Please stop with chlorine gas nonsense, no one capable is using that shit, this isn't WWI anymore. Reasons being it stinks and is yellow-green color therefore kinda easy to spot. Sarin is 500 times more effective, odorless and colourless. I dunno why Assad ever used chlorine when he has access to Russian produced Sarin.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Asheram on April 18, 2018, 02:10:34 am
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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Drunken_sailor on April 18, 2018, 02:16:15 am
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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Algarn on April 18, 2018, 02:47:12 am
Hate to break it to you (those who defend the strikes), but bombing the syria because of their use of chemical weapons is just PR to me. If they really were serious human rights, they'd do something about Saudi Arabia using white phosphorus bombs, or in fact, stop fucking selling them weapons in the first place. It just amazes me that once a journalist asked the french defense minister about french weapons being used in Yemen by the saudis to commit war crimes, and she just answered that these same weapons weren't meant to be used. We westerners aren't the good guys, our governments are just there for the cash to be made, or for influence games.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Turkhammer on April 18, 2018, 02:53:27 am
Depleted uranium is depleted of radioactivity and therefore not chemical weapon. You can ask Pentagon million times and this is the answer they'll always give you.

Imagine if they told you simple truth that depleted uranium is actual nuclear waste from nuclear powerplants which makes it extremely cheap plus it is very effective at breaking thick armor. Cheap and effective, better lie about it not being environmental hazard just like Ruskies lie about Sarin attacks in Syria. Because coating missile in radioactive waste isn't like spreading radioactive waste all over the place.

Please stop with chlorine gas nonsense, no one capable is using that shit, this isn't WWI anymore. Reasons being it stinks and is yellow-green color therefore kinda easy to spot. Sarin is 500 times more effective, odorless and colourless. I dunno why Assad ever used chlorine when he has access to Russian produced Sarin.

It actually isn't spreading radioactivity all over the place.  The levels of U235 is much lower in DU than in naturally occuring uranium.  DUs radiation, alpha and beta particles, are blocked by skin and clothing.  The gamma radiation is very low.  DU external to the body does not present a hazard.  If it enters the body via metal slivers or inhalation of pulverized material, it may present a long term health hazard.  It has chemical toxicity in large doses but so does lead, tungsten and copper and many metals.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Westwood on April 18, 2018, 03:13:56 am
We westerners aren't the good guys, our governments are just there for the cash to be made, or for influence games.
These aren't mutually exclusive :^)
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Xant on April 18, 2018, 03:47:01 am
I dunno why Assad ever used chlorine when he has access to Russian produced Sarin.
Because he didn't. Why would he do a chemical strike when he knows what it'll lead to? It's a false flag op by his opposition, Assad isn't going to use chemical weapons for the lulz (he's been doing a good job of killing far more civilians in a civilized, conventional manner) when he knows he'll get his shit bombed by NATO -- for absolutely no benefit. Meanwhile for his enemies in the region, all they have to do is spill some chemicals to call down a few hundred cruise missiles on Assad.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: njames89 on April 18, 2018, 02:24:15 pm
lol heskey I bet you think those kids really got shot up at sandy hook and the frogs aren't turning gay. Get woke.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Bittersteel on April 18, 2018, 02:59:16 pm
nicely done arguing your own points heskey

another gem:

The minorities are ruining my life so much I had to shovel a rink on the lake and spend the weekend skating and drinking beer.

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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Oberyn on April 18, 2018, 03:23:18 pm
Heskey wholesale swallowing the basic neo-liberal worldview and "facts" pushed simultaneously by every regressive news outlet and now advocating for military action in Syria, IMAGINE MY SHOCK. Nice to see you're still the same easily manipulated retard as always. I remember you not caring terribly overmuch about the fanatical "rebels" and their murderous rampages in Syria, that have been happening for years, but Assad "gasses" (third time's the charm boys, not like this is the first time this Cassus Beli has been attempted) a few dozen people and here come the hypocritical morons going THINK OF TEH CHILRENS. Yeah, don't show the beheadings and crucifixions and literal genocides on minorities, that just emboldens and helps the ebil terrorists, but we must have elaborate descriptions of the effects of this GASP WMD and pictures of poow wittle children suffering plastered all over the place. Don't think about it too hard Heskey, I'm sure it's absolutely a massive coincidence and not deliberate.

When we're continuously flooded by millions of "refugees" from the world over that have nothing to do with Syria we'll have the same absolute fucking tards whining that we must own the responsability for it  and we deserve it, ebil ebil warmongering westerners that we are.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Oberyn on April 18, 2018, 05:01:23 pm
Our "leaders" in the West care about one thing and one thing only, removal of Assad, as has been made clear to anyone that's followed the situation in Syria for YEARS. All the whining about the morality and ethics of of the supposed "gassing" is nothing but surface level manipulation manufactured for retards. Again, it's not the first time this story is propagated by our media, but it's the first time the useful idiots seem to give a shit. Oh yeah chemical weapons oooooh such fearful WMD's, that totally explains our countries's geopolitical position and maneuvers in Syria, not anything else at all. You must be really exceptional to think France, the UK, the US and oh yeah ISRAEL have absolutely no interest beyond "empathy". We were sure super empathetic over the jihadist "rebels", to the point Israel openly admits to protecting and providing aid to Al-Qaeda proxies in the syrian civil war.

The "ebil warmongering west" was sarcasm, and you must be even dumber than I thought if you think the same soyboy morons now whining that we must do something for TEH CHILRENS won't be the same voices crying about muh compassion and muh poor martyred refugees when it comes times to, yet again, abuse the pathological empathy that is the baseline political state of the basic bitch apathetic navel-gazing westerner.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: SixThumbs on April 18, 2018, 05:15:09 pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timber_Sycamore

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...while the CIA program ultimately failed in its objective of removing Assad from power, it was hardly "bootless": "The program pumped many hundreds of millions of dollars to many dozens of militia groups. One knowledgeable official estimates that the CIA-backed fighters may have killed or wounded 100,000 Syrian soldiers and their allies over the past four years."

I like how the journalist somehow tries to portray giving "hundreds of millions of [tax] dollars" to questionable [moderate] "militias" was a good thing even though the main objective wasn't achieved.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Oberyn on April 18, 2018, 05:23:36 pm
No see it makes perfect sense, we have to strike against Assad because of his terrible military capabilities that may fall in the hands of the fanatical jihadists we've been funding to overthrow him. It would be horrible to think what these barbarians might do with such an arsenal! The perfect time to strike is now that the war is practically done and these dangerous "rebels" almost been eradicated by Assad's regime. 100% logic.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on April 18, 2018, 05:28:26 pm
Trump notoriously eager to be more deeply involved in Middle-Eastern conflicts, and equally-famous for being eager to worsen relations with Russia.

I dont agree with the conspiracy theorists on this one. For it to be faked by Syrian rebels you have to rely on France, UK and US intelligence all independently reaching the same wrong conclusion, for it to be faked by one of the western powers lying to the others that relies on the others not noticing or caring that they've been tricked into taking military action or being convinced enough by their own intelligence that it was genuine. And there's no benefit for the nations taking part. If the agenda was trying to oust Assad or change the course of the war the strikes were never going to achieve that.

So what's the agenda? What's the big hidden benefit for Trump, Macron and May to fire missiles at just a couple of sites in the territory of a Russian ally? The only bonus outcome I'm seeing is that Jeremy Corbyn's reaction is losing any vestiges of support from his party and the general public.

So there's that secret agenda, or the obvious fact that the entrenched militants in Douma surrendered within 24 hours of the chemical attack. Hmmm, why would Assad possibly use chemical weapons...

unsure if any other sources have come out, but the only primary source in the beginning was the White Helmets outfit, funded by USAID money and founded by an ex-MI6 cunt. 2013, 2014, and 2016 alleged chemical attacks from the regime have been debunked to my satisfaction, would be willing to track down the analysis i read if you'd like. even the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (literally one dude in the UK that hasn't been in Syria since 2010 btw) which generally comes down on the side of the opposition has said that all deaths were due to dust inhalation, suffocation, and crushing deaths.

Jaish-Al-Islam didn't want to be moved to Idlib terrorist governate because HTS (2018 al qaeda) would kick the SHIT out of them there and they know it.

doesn't bother me if you won't trust some random-ass uncredentialed dubiously-cited blog, but its the best collection of, say, "counter-narrative" stuff with intelligent albeit blood-sucking lib/socialist commenters. http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/04/syria-any-us-strike-will-lead-to-escalation.html#more
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Oberyn on April 18, 2018, 05:38:30 pm
@Oberyn Maybe you should stop following what the situation was 'for YEARS' then and follow what the situation is right now. The West has basically given up trying to remove Assad from power

lol

I do give a shit that an unstable country is producing and stockpiling these weapons. A country that nearly fell under full IS control. You dont need to be an edge-lord to know that's a bad thing.

Imagine how disconected from the reality of the situation someone must be to unironically make this arguement. The country we wilfully destabilized and plunged into a civil war is dangerous because it's unstable so must endeavour to openly move militarily against it, as if the blatant proxy wars fully backed by our wahhabist "allies" weren't obvious enough. Yeah I wonder why you'd want to only focus on the present situation and not the chain of events and context that led to it. Couldn't possibly be that it's because you're totally ignorant of it or anything, no, it's just the rational and pragmatic thing to do.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Oberyn on April 18, 2018, 05:41:25 pm
These weapons which are now magically THE red line (this of course being absolutely disconected from the concurrent emotional manipulation and pictures of wounded children and cries over how barbaric and awful this is in all the usual regressive media outlets) have been deployed before, repeatedly, and were proven to be gigantic hoaxes many times, you know, in that time period you personally determined is irrelevant.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Oberyn on April 18, 2018, 05:54:23 pm
He's a lying hypocrite, definitely. So you contend that Obama didn't intervene ENOUGH in Syria?
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Oberyn on April 18, 2018, 06:05:13 pm
Yeah because a Syria where Assad fell wouldn't just have been a beat for beat repeat of Iraq and Lybia, down to the continuing ethnic warfare and cleansing and a pathetically transparent attempt at "democracy" being drowned in a tidal wave of blood. This is totally worse. Kill yourself.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Drunken_sailor on April 18, 2018, 06:39:19 pm
Well that's fun, I just want to point out H.R. 5373 2018 got introduced last month.  Asheram you should write Scott Peters and tell him he is a good boy.

Ok, thanks for the interlude,  proceed with the squabbles.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Oberyn on April 18, 2018, 06:59:13 pm
It's mindblowing to me that the same soyboy leftist idiots pontificating on how deposing Saddam and Ghadaffi led to even more blood and instability (and that the onus of responsability for all the deaths and refugees created rests collectively on the shoulders of every single westerner, of course) unironically think Assad falling would lead to...what, exactly? A functional democracy? A peaceful interlude followed by prosperity? I'm sure all the militia rebel "commanders" that would've been at the peace table and the government afterwards are all humanist progressives with a deep commitment to multicultural democratic rule, lol. There was never anything remotely approaching a single unified rebel "authority", much less one palatable to a useful idiot western audience, and the removal of Assad would've lead to even more fragmentation and infighting.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Xant on April 18, 2018, 07:05:35 pm
I'm sure all the militia rebel "commanders" that would've been at the peace table and the government afterwards are all humanist progressives with a deep commitment to multicultural democratic rule, lol.
Well, obviously. The west wouldn't be backing them if the militia commanders hadn't passed the written democracy test with flying colors.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Oberyn on April 19, 2018, 10:35:59 am
The difference between Syria today and Syria without Assad would be the same as Iraq without Saddam or Lybia without Ghadaffi. It takes a real special sort of person to claim the country wouldn't devolve into even more ethnic cleansing than has already been caused by our own hands. You didn't follow Syria, you don't know shit about the situation, about the context, about the war that has been going for longer than WW2 did. And you most def don't know shit or care about the tribal/ethnic divisions that were exploited to create this situation in the first place, or even the barest inkling of how the situation would play out in the void left by Assad. 

Tell me, if you had the option to go back in time and decide whether the West should depose Ghadaffi with their retarded Muh bootiful Arab Spring democracy propaganda/simultaneously funding insanely extremist jihadist rebels, the exact same MO as was attempted in Syria, would you still do it? With your absolutely fucktarded perspective of ignoring both the past and future consequences and acting entirely on whatever stupid fucking slop you're forcefed? And then you have the nerve to pretend your point of view is the rational and logical one. Again, fucking kill yourself. You're too dumb to live and your death could only fractionally improve humanity as a whole.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Golem on April 19, 2018, 01:03:34 pm
In the end it's about the drug market. With a stable Syria, whatever the regime, drug production would have the neccessary resources and logistics to make Syria and ME in general enough money to buy out the West. Currently there's only enough money from drug production to buy weapons in order to kill each other. Just as the countries who's only prevalent natural resource is rock wants it.
We need more minerals!
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Paul on April 19, 2018, 01:18:44 pm
Ok, now I'm convinced that he's just roleplaying.

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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Golem on April 19, 2018, 01:39:16 pm
http://www.businessinsider.com/california-legalizing-weed-on-january-1-market-size-revenue-2017-12 (http://www.businessinsider.com/california-legalizing-weed-on-january-1-market-size-revenue-2017-12)
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Golem on April 19, 2018, 01:40:25 pm
Now imagine having the sortof environmental conditions to grow weed, opium etc as ME does.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Oberyn on April 19, 2018, 02:48:58 pm
When you spill milk do you grab a cloth or do you just stare gormlessly at the milk and muse on the historical context and chain of events that inevitably led to this mess, and all the different outcomes if you could only go back in time, as the milk slowly drips onto your lap?

Maybe you're also helpful if someone else tries to clean it up for you "Oh, oh how precious, you grab a cloth now but you didn't grab one whilst the milk was in the process of falling or whilst I was about to spill it", or "Oh you'll clean milk but you wont pay my rent for me! Also how can you be thinking about milk whilst MILLIONS of refugees are continuously entering Europe every single minute?!?!".


"President Trump, we have reports of a Chemical attack in Syria"
"I can't believe that the previous administration interfered in Syria trying to depose Assad!"
"... yeah... so about this attack?"
"Just think about all these different outcomes if only we could go back in time..."
"... are we going to do anything?"
"All these different outcomes..."

Yeah, you're really working for the betterment of mankind Oberyn xD Captain Hindsight over here. Help me out here, I'm hungry now what should I have had for breakfast last Tuesday?

It doesn't take a fucking oracle to realize removing Assad would plunge Syria into the EXACT SAME situation that always happens whenever you remove a strongman dictator in a middle eastern country. Just anyone who doesn't have their head up their own ass and the most cursory knowledge of very recent history. Captain Hindsight, lol. Yeah just like hundreds of people who warned exactly what was going to happen in Iraq and Lybia. GASP WE MUST REMOVE THIS EBIL DICTATOR WHO IS HURTING HIS OWN PEEPOS, TINK OF THE CHILRENS. How many times are you fucking idiots going to fall for the same thing? Every single time apparently. If you want a more accurate analogy, it's as if you are a fucking mongoloid pouring buckets of milk all over himself repeatedly and unable to understand this is why he's constantly soggy and covered in milk. UHR DUHR BUT SPILLING BUCKET IS RITE TING TO DO.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Asheram on April 19, 2018, 08:54:06 pm
Well that's fun, I just want to point out H.R. 5373 2018 got introduced last month.  Asheram you should write Scott Peters and tell him he is a good boy.

Ok, thanks for the interlude,  proceed with the squabbles.
http://www.nwherald.com/2015/04/30/holiday-hills-shooting-scott-peters-found-guilty-of-attempted-murder/awnt6ua/
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Drunken_sailor on April 20, 2018, 12:01:11 am
Yeah not who I meant but if you want to write him instead go ahead.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on April 20, 2018, 05:44:45 am
look, all I'm saying is that I sure am glad that Russia didn't launch KH-53 cruise missiles at Washington, DC on April 19th, 1993 when a total of 82 fundamentalist Seventh Day Adventists living in bumfuck, Texas were shot, burned, and in the case of several dozen women and children, l i t e r a l l y gassed to death by CS inhalation in an extremely enclosed non-ventilated space. feds pumped canister after canister of CS over 2 hours into that room- little bit more brutal than alleged chlorine disperal in an open area, don'tcha think?

anyway launching munitions at Assad for allegedly gassing his own folk is pretty damn close to Russia launching cruise missiles at Tacoma or Honalulu for the actions of the FBI, ATF, Combat Applications Group at Waco.

oh and also here's something to read about the gas shit if you want i guess http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/04/syria-who-holds-up-the-opcw-investigation-in-douma.html#more
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Grytviken on April 20, 2018, 06:45:30 am
ok changed my mind, guns should be banned

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/19/us/toddler-accidentally-shoots-mom-trnd/index.html
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Westwood on April 20, 2018, 08:34:33 am
I don't know much about spilled milk but for insight into what America's interests in Syria might be, along with other contextual information, consider the following (https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/perspectives/PE200/PE265/RAND_PE265.pdf) written last year. If you don't feel like reading 16 pages of summary assessment, then consider instead these important bits:

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The traditional definition of U.S. interests in the Middle East has centered on ensuring the free flow of natural resources and maintaining relationships with key allies and protecting them from external threats, in part to ensure access for U.S. military operations.
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The political arrangements of the Middle East look vastly different now than they did when President Barack Obama took office. Popular uprisings in Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Syria, Bahrain and Yemen, three of which evolved into civil wars, have altered the landscape. These have resulted in occasional opportunities... But more often, this tumult has strained relations between the United States and its partners. This is largely attributable to Middle Eastern allies’ reduced faith in the U.S. security commitment... In the eyes of Arab rulers, not intervening to save Egypt’s president Hosni Mubarak, chastising Bahrain for its crackdown on Pearl Square demonstrators, intervening in Libya’s 2011 civil war without a plan for postwar stabilization, allowing the chemical weapons red line in Syria to be crossed without going to war against the Assad regime, and ultimately concluding a nuclear deal with Iran are all evidence of the same sin: abandonment. It is hard to overstate how strained relations became with Ankara, Jerusalem, Cairo, and Riyadh in the second term of the Obama administration. Turkey alleged U.S. involvement in a coup against the government, felt betrayed by the United States partnering with Kurdish forces in Syria, and has now taken to coordinating its own cross-border operations with Russia. Israel publicly opposed the Iran nuclear deal... Riyadh mounted a military campaign in Yemen against U.S. urging and has prosecuted it in a way that Washington considers escalatory. And Egypt accused the previous American administration of cozying up to the Muslim Brotherhood while failing to recognize the legitimacy of the 2013 “corrective revolution.” These partnerships have always been rocky... But whether the state of relations between Washington and Middle Eastern capitals is at an exceptionally low point or not, it is objectively poor.
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The role of building partner capacity, while grinding and often uncelebrated, is crucial for addressing another key challenge: assuring American allies that the United States remains committed to their security. What the Saudi-led operation in Yemen, UAE involvement in Libya, and Turkish operations in Syria should teach us is that in the absence of American actions that signal a commitment to partner security, local actors will deploy their military forces in ways that will sometimes be escalatory and threaten to draw the United States into broader conflicts... investing in reassurance ...is about mitigating the potential for independent action that undermines U.S. interests ...avoiding substantial involvement in the region, however appealing, is not likely to be possible, and the U.S. military needs to be ready for such contingencies. In such cases, both past experience and ongoing changes in the strategic landscape of the region argue in favor of military interventions that are limited in scale and modest in ambition.

For additional context, let us also consider what a particular Neocon mouthpiece had to say (http://nationalinterest.org/print/feature/war-syria-americas-interest-18037) about Syrian intervention in late 2016. Important bits:

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The sad reality of international relations is that interests trump humanitarianism. The Security Council has deliberated, released statements and resolutions, and watched on as numerous cases of crimes against humanity came before it. Assad is not the first despot to inflict egregious crimes against his own people, and seemingly get away with it. When it serves the interest of a great power, morality is a footnote. And Russia is not the only party to the game—it is the standard conduct of all great powers.
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If it is solely for humanitarian purposes, the United States will abstain every day of the week. It is necessary, thus, to determine what America’s interests are in the Syrian civil war, which remain unclear. Obama’s failure is not in that he has refused to intervene, but that, after five years of war, he has yet to clearly articulate what America’s interests are in this war.

Foreign policy was never a focus of the Obama administration, let alone Middle East policy beyond trying as hard as possible to look like the anti-Bush for PR reasons. Not only did Obama pass up opportunities to pursue American interests in the region, his administration didn't even properly establish what those interests were. Across his two terms the situation in the Middle East changed dramatically, that is to say half the Muslim world collapsed; including the part we'd just finished near-stabilizing six+ years into a counterinsurgency after Paul Bremer and the rest of the State Department fumbled an astonishingly swift tactical victory. We do nearly nothing in response to all the upheaval of the past decade, we don't try to maintain the status quo, we don't even consider the situation and define any sort of desired outcomes in our interests. Who does? Who goes beyond defining goals and actually asserts their positions in the region? Our little friends and our big enemies. When we do nothing, Russia, taking advantage of a vacuum, acts on their interests; Israel, lacking faith in our leadership, acts on their interests; Turkroaches, feeling a little of both, act on their interests; Saudi Arabia, lacking faith in our leadership, acts on their interests; Iran, taking advantage of a vacuum, acts on their interests. Our inaction has spurred action by others with conflicting interests, who will now step on the toes of one another and, if the linear course the Middle East has been on for the past decade continues, will escalate the situation militarily. What we are to do now with a situation that is magnitudes more intricate and dangerous remains to be seen. Time after time our military requested two things from civilian authorities to deal with the Middle East problem, defined goals and the operational independence to pursue them. From the Obama administration it received the opposite of both. From the Trump administration we've seen much more willingness to let the rest of the chain of command exercise their best judgement, but goals remain elusive. Do we like Assad? No, he's not /ourguy/, he's Russia's. Was there ever a plan to replace Assad? No, and there probably won't be at this point of escalation in the Syrian conflict. The "Red Line" only served to show everyone else in the region that America under Obama was full of shit when we didn't follow through. The time for showing people we were not full of shit was then, years ago. Further alleged uses of chemical weapons by Assadists may very well have provided and will provide opportunities to "topple the regime," but there was no plan to do so and no will to carry it out if it did exist. Media coverage of these events is its own reward for media companies, things that trigger an emotional response in the average consumer of news media, like gassed children, generate interest, discussion, and ad revenue. The media doesn't need an ulterior motive, they'll pump up whatever story leads them to cash, and dead kids makes people click. They don't drive policy. Joe on the street sees the headlines and is concerned, but if only he knew how bad things really were. The situation is actually such that his life as a materialistic sheep might be legitimately threatened as the trend of escalation continues.

If you're dead set on your milk metaphors, then it is entirely accurate to say that this milk was spilled several years ago by a different President. Except the milk glass is bottomless and has been pumping milk into our dining room continuously all those years. Also the milk is actually piss. We are now up to our eyes in piss. It is at this moment that news media looks in the window and says my God! There's a puddle of piss on the dining room floor, won't someone think of the children? We grab an air-to-surface mop and begin to fruitlessly swish it about in our dining room full of piss.

tldr:
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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on April 20, 2018, 08:55:14 am
very good post redacted for sake of preventing eye-rape

agree with nearly all of it, but don't want to waste time and text stroking your throbbing intellectual member.

did you mean that there existed no solid plan for Syrian regime change under the Trump administration? or no solid plan under Obama?

also (and i actually dont remember) what was Bremmer's major fuckup? was it something to do with essentially cleansing Baghdad and surrounding area of its Sunni population in Iraq War 2.5 in an effort to empower the new Shi'a leadership even though a large stated goal was, as always since '79, limiting the influence of Iran? like holy fuck boys why would you support a bunch of Shi'a militias genocide against the local Sunni and expect the Sunni to be ok with it and also the Shi'a to bend over and be good puppets. ain't like Iran is the de-facto religious leadership of the Shi'a or anything nah, those Mullahs ain't shit right?
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Westwood on April 20, 2018, 09:12:24 am
did you mean that there existed no solid plan for Syrian regime change under the Trump administration? or no solid plan under Obama?
Both. There were certainly government officials and NGO talking heads saying "hey we should do this" but they had no plan beyond arming Syrian rebel groups. We couldn't even decide properly at the time who to arm, and it's far too late now.
also (and i actually dont remember) what was Bremmer's major fuckup? was it something to do with essentially cleansing Baghdad and surrounding area of its Sunni population in Iraq War 2.5 in an effort to empower the new Shi'a leadership even though a large stated goal was, as always since '79, limiting the influence of Iran? like holy fuck boys why would you support a bunch of Shi'a militias genocide against the local Sunni and expect the Sunni to be ok with it and also the Shi'a to bend over and be good puppets. ain't like Iran is the de-facto religious leadership of the Shi'a or anything nah, those Mullahs ain't shit right?
That's basically right, the process of "de-Ba'athification" that Bremer oversaw largely created the insurgency with the stroke of a pen. The Ba'athists were forced underground and took the Sunni community with them.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Xant on April 20, 2018, 10:07:47 am
Low quality Japanese thinking he knows better than Heskey. LMAO!
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Oberyn on April 20, 2018, 10:21:57 am
There are things living on the underside of shoes that know better than Heskey
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Xant on April 20, 2018, 11:50:46 am
Heskey is the foremost intellectual of these forums.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Oberyn on April 20, 2018, 01:00:25 pm
Media coverage of these events is its own reward for media companies, things that trigger an emotional response in the average consumer of news media, like gassed children, generate interest, discussion, and ad revenue. The media doesn't need an ulterior motive, they'll pump up whatever story leads them to cash, and dead kids makes people click.

Disagree there. There are dying kids and ethnic warfare the world over. Do you really think media focus in the West on Syria is completely divorced from geopolitical goals? Can't show "graphic content" of shit that happens daily even south of your own border, oh no, that would be wrong and offensive to the victims and embolden the perpetrators. Until you can use it in a blatantly emotionally manipulative way to justify Casus Belli, of course, then it needs to be plastered over every single mainstream news media outlet. Yeah just a massive (((coincidence))).

If you're dead set on your milk metaphors, then it is entirely accurate to say that this milk was spilled several years ago by a different President. Except the milk glass is bottomless and has been pumping milk into our dining room continuously all those years. Also the milk is actually piss. We are now up to our eyes in piss. It is at this moment that news media looks in the window and says my God! There's a puddle of piss on the dining room floor, won't someone think of the children? We grab an air-to-surface mop and begin to fruitlessly swish it about in our dining room full of piss.

There's spilt milk everywhere! Quickly, we must act now, without thought of context or consequence, those things are for bundle of stickss! I have the perfect solution!

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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on April 21, 2018, 07:45:27 am
If the crux of that post is to inform me that Trump wanted to show he'll follow through and actually take action, that's what I have been saying. I found it refreshing that for once words translated into action, we don't all subscribe to the school of though that just cos the old President wouldnt act the new one should never act and just watch the milk run. It's hardly a hidden ulterior motive, I'd even say fairly explicit in the action that was taken that this was a statement to the whole region or possibly wider. I'm glad you aren't in the camp of the chemical-weapon deniers, rebel-blamers or Oberyns trying to convince himself that Trump planned to replace Assad with strikes on a couple of facilities.

As your prize for being so much smarter than me I invite you to take up your rightful place on the underside of my shoe. It's where all the things that 'know better' than me are permitted to live.

takfiri-blamer and assad dindu nuffin advocate reporting in. well, actually assad and his pops was plenty happy to torture folk for the CIA before geopolitical aims changed. plenty happy that the SAA, Hezbollah is blowing apart daesh and assorted head-chopper shits in the sandbox but don't come close to falling for the internet Assadist cult-of-personality bullshit.

if you would care to take the time, you can read/listen to these

https://www.libertarianinstitute.org/articles/chemical-facility-hit-in-syria-strike-cleared-twice-by-inspectors-in-2017/

https://www.libertarianinstitute.org/scotthortonshow/4-10-18-rick-sterling-on-the-supposed-assad-chemical-attack-in-syria/

https://www.libertarianinstitute.org/scotthortonshow/4-14-18-gareth-porter-on-trumps-bombing-of-damascus/  (might be of more interest to you since you seem firmly committed to considering any narrative aside from Assad dropping chlorine and sarin 5 times over a few years as tinfoil conspiracy or imageboard racist LARPing)
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: [ptx] on April 21, 2018, 09:36:07 am
But, you see, the actual truth... http://pandyland.net/112
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Oberyn on April 21, 2018, 01:18:59 pm
Yeah, it is unconscionable to believe that western countries would ever lie or manufacture evidence about muh dangerous "WMD's" being used by ebil dictator against his own people for obvious geopolitical and strategic goals. Why, that could only happen in the mind of the most demented conspiracy theorists.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Oberyn on April 21, 2018, 01:32:34 pm
And conveniently the usual suspects online are pushing the pro-Russia narrative.

Yeah I fucking love Russia and Putin, just look at the Ukraine thread for some of my usual pro-Russia propaganda. Can't possibly be that I legitimately think Assad remaining in power is good for Syria and the region as a whole, no, I'm probably a russian Putin dick-sucking bot, eh Occam's Razor wins again. Meanwhile the "usual suspect" basic bitch normies suddenly turning warhawks when the entire media establishment tells them to through emotional manipulation is completely normal and logical.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Oberyn on April 21, 2018, 01:42:38 pm
It's like you truly can't understand that someone may have principles that go beyond superficial performance. Dat projection.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on April 21, 2018, 01:48:34 pm
I think I have a healthy amount of suspicion over conspiracy theories that would require the collaboration of multiple western nations and possibly UN for very little gain, where the alternative narrative would coincidentally be incredibly convenient for... only Russia + friends. And conveniently the usual suspects online are pushing the pro-Russia narrative.

I will read the articles, but I cba to check their sources right now. What I will say is that I'm coming into these articles about why the US shouldnt have interfered with the understanding that this site even describes itself with the following:
"Our goal is to unite the libertarian movement, and more importantly, to realign American politics — prioritizing opposition to the worst of state power: the permanent war state, the prison and police states, and corporate welfare, corrupt contracts, and bank bailouts that rig the economy for the political class. The Libertarian Institute’s mission is to prioritize these issues and work with other groups from across the political spectrum against the greatest of abuses by the State. The Libertarian Institute is a nonprofit, 501(c)(3) organization formed in association with Taxpayer Education Foundation."
I can't imagine then writing an article applauding Trump's military action, frankly under any circumstances.

Oh, you'd be absolutely right. They'd have lukewarm reception at best if Congress approved some sort of foreign intervention in a war declaration, and something that ain't the paper-thin HURR WE KILL TERRORISTS ANYWHERE AUMF of 2001. Anything else and they're buttmad. I am also buttmad.

I think its not proper to act as if nations are anthropomorphic here; "collaboration of several western nations". I don't think that collaboration of certain few intelligence officials, high military brass, and similar from as many as two or three allies is outlandish at all. I'm not claiming that Macron and Trump had any sort of foreknowledge of the White Helmets' video, the alleged gas attack, or anything like that. Now good Theresa....iunno, aheheheh.

Here's my reckoning: members of Jaysh-al-Islam in Douma had numerous civilian hostages and, at least in 2013-2014 chemical weapons originating from the opposition WERE found every now and again. OPCW says all Syria's chemical weapons were dismantled, precursors disposed of, facilities fucked in 2013.

Pretty fucking easy for some Jaysh-al-Islam members to set up the show, Takfiri achmed calls his White Helmet m8 to start filming the event. I am not claiming that the attack was sourced from the West, attempting to form causus belli for Syria-Iran. I am claiming that the Jaysh guys have a huge fucking conflict with HTS (2018 syrian al qaeda) that mostly occupies Idlib province. The Syrian government has been, in cases of surrender, moving militants to Idlib province; probably with high hopes that they'll all slaughter one another.

I think that the "incident" was an attempt by Jaysh-al-Islam to stall or prevent getting re-located to Idlib province.

Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Oberyn on April 21, 2018, 02:19:56 pm
Nah, I consider the potential agendas of both sides of the story and see that the West doesn't profit hugely in any way from attacking Syrian compounds whether a gas attack happened or not.

So you believe the missile strikes were supposed to accomplish what, exactly? It's beneficial to Assad if I believe our continuing moronic interventions in Syria are immoral? Fucking good, then it's detrimental to the hordes of salafist and wahhabist mongoloids we've funded to tear appart Syria.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Golem on April 21, 2018, 04:57:13 pm
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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Oberyn on April 22, 2018, 03:29:37 pm
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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Oberyn on April 23, 2018, 07:58:18 pm
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More reporters, photographers and cops there than actual KKK neo-chocolate chip cookie bundle of stickss. Sad, demand for scary hwhite supremacists far exceeds the supply.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on April 24, 2018, 01:03:46 am
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More reporters, photographers and cops there than actual KKK neo-chocolate chip cookie bundle of stickss. Sad, demand for scary hwhite supremacists far exceeds the supply.

hey i actually spent ages 3-6 in Newnan. neat. i bet the sw astika burners and NSDAP LARPers are at least half fucking feds, but most of the nu-confe derate LARPers are legit and generally possessing really low verbal IQ.

but yeah a lot of people were thinking it was gonna be a Charlottesville repeat but it was silly to expect that. just 35 actual vehement racists (probably at least octoroons themselves lmao), 5 feds, 10 cops, and a handful of angry libs as always
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Leshma on April 24, 2018, 01:18:13 am
I don't see friend hanging from the tree. Poor performance.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Golem on April 24, 2018, 12:57:54 pm
What's next, a cow can't sue a farmer for assault? http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-monkey-selfie-9th-circuit-20180423-story.html (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-monkey-selfie-9th-circuit-20180423-story.html)
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Drunken_sailor on April 24, 2018, 07:42:46 pm
Time to buy monkeys and force them into slave labor creating countless works of art day in and day out while I reap all the profit... Muahah stupid PETA can't stop me now.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Oberyn on April 24, 2018, 08:41:40 pm
Get a million of them with a million type-writers, and you could create the next Great American Novel. Eventually.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Asheram on April 24, 2018, 10:15:33 pm
Get a million of them with a million type-writers, and you could create the next Great American Novel. Eventually.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Westwood on April 25, 2018, 08:57:31 pm
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on May 08, 2018, 01:56:27 pm
is this the glow-in-the-dark thread? not really germane for the racism thread but here's something i really enjoyed watching


start at 145:00 unless you are just into this shit with nothing to do. also lol @ the opening text from vlad
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Leshma on May 08, 2018, 03:43:43 pm
Dude is double or tripple agent. At 2:25 he says how you need to  suppress capitalism to save the country from communism lmao
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on May 11, 2018, 06:20:20 am
Dude is double or tripple agent. At 2:25 he says how you need to  suppress capitalism to save the country from communism lmao

don't really recall that bit- from reading his three books and re-watching the two large lectures i try to keep in mind his perspective as a defector. he's clearly trying to portray to his audience, which are basically John Birch Society anti-commie TRUconservative types, that "Americanism" is the solution. he allegedly had rather little success with more "official" channels of politicians and interest groups, so i think he is playing up to the preconceptions of the folk inviting him to speak, in part.

were you talking about the parts where Yuri is speaking of hyperconsumption based largely upon personal debt and culture of conspicious flashy consumption? i didn't see that as anti-capitalist at all. he implies that large reduction in viewership of (mass) media and reduction in buying needless chink-shit is net-positive for the nation, and i think that is true
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Drunken_sailor on May 12, 2018, 05:42:35 pm
We are sending helicopters to Mars

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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Asheram on May 24, 2018, 01:01:33 am
https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/news/video/parents-30-year-son-court-move-55346884
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Xant on May 24, 2018, 02:00:27 am
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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: IR_Kuoin on May 28, 2018, 07:46:04 am
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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Westwood on June 04, 2018, 06:46:13 pm
https://www.npr.org/2018/06/04/605003519/supreme-court-decides-in-favor-of-baker-over-same-sex-couple-in-cake-shop-case

LMAO gay cakes btfo go find your confections elsewhere, fairies
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Tibes on June 04, 2018, 07:57:06 pm
In general the US, UK and Canada are going to be very interesting places for future social studies, when shit really hits the fan. Buzzfeedish type of media can feed its "gay transgender jew man marries a muslim transgender gay in man, while a christian priest sometimes partakes in a gay theesome, proof of world can peace" articles to the public as much as it wants. In the reality, these are conflicting ideals and mostly all the time they fight for supremacy. It would be pretty interesting to see the day when the evil whiteman actually vanishes and everyone sees that they were the only one in this entire fucking planet, that actually tried to put up an effort to uniting them, while everyone was setting them up as a patsies or somekind of obstacles. If nothing else, Oberyns can most definitely get the last laugh in their graves. Thats pretty certain.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: njames89 on June 04, 2018, 08:11:29 pm
gay cakes

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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Angantyr on June 04, 2018, 09:38:38 pm
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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Drunken_sailor on July 12, 2018, 12:50:34 am
GG freedom haters.


https://www.wired.com/story/a-landmark-legal-shift-opens-pandoras-box-for-diy-guns/
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Vibe on August 22, 2018, 11:41:15 am
wassup ni🅱️🅱️az

Some shit going down with all of Trumps peeps lately huh?

A couple of his closest (former associates) all pleading guilty or convicted:
National Security Advisor Michael Flynn - pleaded guilty.
President Trump's Personal Attorney Michael Cohen - pleaded guilty.
Foreign Policy Advisor George Papadopoulos - pleaded guilty.
Deputy Campaign Chairman Richard Gates - pleaded guilty.
Campaign Chairman Paul Manafort - convicted on 8 Federal counts.

The biggest one here being his former personal attorney Cohen, who is ready to spill all the beans on Trump to Mr. Mueller:
Quote
Lanny Davis, attorney for Michael Cohen, tells @maddow that his client has information that should be of interest to the special counsel and is "more than happy to tell the special counsel all that he knows.

This is better than House of Cards.

Discuss
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Nickleback on August 22, 2018, 01:27:53 pm
Woa,they are taking it down,

Btw ready to get banned
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: njames89 on August 22, 2018, 01:42:18 pm
Will be interesting to see what Cohen gives to mueller. Probably the best challenge to Trump yet. Cohen's Lawyer (lawyer lawyer, lawyerception) says that he has evidence of a crime directly related to trump he described as "something you would immediately call the FBI about)
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Sniger on August 22, 2018, 02:34:16 pm
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedies." - Ernest Benn
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: njames89 on August 22, 2018, 02:38:05 pm
more like poliDICKS amirite  :lol:
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Drunken_sailor on August 22, 2018, 07:46:17 pm
https://www.predictit.org/Contract/7419/Will-Donald-Trump-be-impeached-in-his-first-term#data

you could buy Yes he is going to be impeached in first term for $0.46 right now, could be good bet.  Might want to wait and see the the Dems get the house though.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Paul on August 23, 2018, 02:41:28 pm
wassup ni🅱️🅱️az

Some shit going down with all of Trumps peeps lately huh?

A couple of his closest (former associates) all pleading guilty or convicted:
National Security Advisor Michael Flynn - pleaded guilty.
President Trump's Personal Attorney Michael Cohen - pleaded guilty.
Foreign Policy Advisor George Papadopoulos - pleaded guilty.
Deputy Campaign Chairman Richard Gates - pleaded guilty.
Campaign Chairman Paul Manafort - convicted on 8 Federal counts.

The biggest one here being his former personal attorney Cohen, who is ready to spill all the beans on Trump to Mr. Mueller:
This is better than House of Cards.

Discuss

Nothingburger. Come back when you got footage of Trump shooting a bunch of not-too-brown kids.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on August 24, 2018, 05:47:00 am
wassup ni🅱️🅱️az

Some shit going down with all of Trumps peeps lately huh?

A couple of his closest (former associates) all pleading guilty or convicted:
National Security Advisor Michael Flynn - pleaded guilty.
President Trump's Personal Attorney Michael Cohen - pleaded guilty.
Foreign Policy Advisor George Papadopoulos - pleaded guilty.
Deputy Campaign Chairman Richard Gates - pleaded guilty.
Campaign Chairman Paul Manafort - convicted on 8 Federal counts.

The biggest one here being his former personal attorney Cohen, who is ready to spill all the beans on Trump to Mr. Mueller:
This is better than House of Cards.

Discuss

i think its funny that Flynn was a literal turkish agent (narrowly aborted a plot to fucking kidnap that Gulen cunt sitting up in Pennsylvania) and the only thing they got him on was shitty perjury charges.

cohen is really the big one there, manafort went down for tax evasion et al., he was into some really sketch shit in the Ukraine during Maidan too if i recall right.

this isn't really my area of interest, but as far as i understand, charges against Cohen and the plea deal are related to campaign finance n' shit with the pornstar payoff, right?
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Vibe on August 24, 2018, 08:51:28 am
this isn't really my area of interest, but as far as i understand, charges against Cohen and the plea deal are related to campaign finance n' shit with the pornstar payoff, right?

Yeah and Trump even admitted now to saying that he did order the payoffs, but it was from his own pocket not campaign funds, so no crime. It's still a negative public impact on Trump to anyone who watches beyond Fox News. The big deal however here is that Cohen said he has knowledge on Russian collusion and Russia-Trump deals (hacking, Trump tower meeting, etc.) and is willing to cooperate with Mueller.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Vibe on August 24, 2018, 09:40:38 pm
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/24/longtime-trump-organization-cfo-weisselberg-granted-immunity-in-cohen-probe-dj-citing-sources.html

Seems like more Trump people are ready to snitch
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on August 25, 2018, 05:43:12 am
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/24/longtime-trump-organization-cfo-weisselberg-granted-immunity-in-cohen-probe-dj-citing-sources.html

Seems like more Trump people are ready to snitch

Quote
"On Thursday, Trump friend David Pecker, chairman of publishing giant American Media Inc., received immunity as part of the Cohen investigation.

Pecker shared information with prosecutors about the payments to former Playboy model Karen McDougal and porn star Stormy Daniels in exchange for immunity, including details about the president's knowledge of the payments. The White House denies Trump had affairs with the women."

Quote
"On Thursday, Trump friend David Pecker

lmao david pecker
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Drunken_sailor on August 25, 2018, 06:27:55 am
https://www.predictit.org/Contract/7419/Will-Donald-Trump-be-impeached-in-his-first-term#data

He is getting impeached down 3 cents, buy in?
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Hlin on August 25, 2018, 08:46:43 pm
Man fired for farting at work.


https://mashable.com/2018/08/23/paul-flart-fart-videos-fired/#pOqBsP7PQOqm
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Gravoth_iii on August 26, 2018, 06:02:08 pm
Man fired for farting at work.


https://mashable.com/2018/08/23/paul-flart-fart-videos-fired/#pOqBsP7PQOqm

Seems like a cool guy though, passionate about passing gas.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Sniger on August 26, 2018, 06:48:43 pm
he speaks like Alicia Silverstone in Clueless

Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Vibe on September 14, 2018, 08:53:32 pm
"In a bombshell development, former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort is cooperating with the special counsel as part of the plea deal in his federal criminal trial.
The deal, announced in a D.C. courtroom Friday by federal prosecutor Andrew Weissman, included a “17 page cooperation agreement,” according to Washington Post reporter Spencer Hsu."


I find it hilarious how Trump was praising Manafort for not being a snitch (as opposed to Michael Cohen) just a few weeks ago. (https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1032256443985084417?lang=en)
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Drunken_sailor on September 15, 2018, 12:33:14 am
Manafort confesses, Pence goes down with the confession too, Pelosi is first female president, hahahaaa suck it Hillary you pickled twat.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Sniger on October 28, 2018, 10:37:04 am
if you think you are free just because you are allowed to carry firearms, you are fucking delusional. if it was written in the constitution that it is every americans right to stare into the sun for 2 hours, every single one of you would be blind. i bet your firetrucks is full of jet-fuel and not water. you believe in fighting fire with fire. years of manipulation and control have degraded your minds. you are perfect tools for the powers that be. you have become stupid.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on October 28, 2018, 11:57:33 am
if you think you are free just because you are allowed to carry firearms, you are fucking delusional. if it was written in the constitution that it is every americans right to stare into the sun for 2 hours, every single one of you would be blind. i bet your firetrucks is full of jet-fuel and not water. you believe in fighting fire with fire. years of manipulation and control have degraded your minds. you are perfect tools for the powers that be. you have become stupid.

the US Constitution is a nearly toothless document and has been trod upon ever since the first invocation of the Commerce Clause- only much more blatantly and using much more advanced technology in contemporary examples. the Federalists succeeded in their soft coup by meeting in secret to "amend the Articles" but instead produced a wholly new document signed by a fewscore elites of the day; claiming legitimacy upon that.

these fewscore muckity mucks have been dead for centuries, but somehow the omnipresent Social Contract empowers their cadavers and white-washed historical significance to bind us in a nonconsensual Union

(but yes, the United States is "more free" than many other nations with strict firearm control- for now, if only marginally.)
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Yeldur on October 28, 2018, 02:38:45 pm
if you think you are free just because you are allowed to carry firearms, you are fucking delusional. if it was written in the constitution that it is every americans right to stare into the sun for 2 hours, every single one of you would be blind. i bet your firetrucks is full of jet-fuel and not water. you believe in fighting fire with fire. years of manipulation and control have degraded your minds. you are perfect tools for the powers that be. you have become stupid.
jokes on u IDIOT cos jet fuel cant melt steel beams!!!!11111111111111111111111111111111111111111
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Gravoth_iii on May 31, 2020, 09:56:23 pm
?
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Leshma on June 02, 2020, 01:35:09 am
Black dudes getting killed by the police every day in the USA, this one is being used for the election campaign. In the USA, nothing is sacred.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Asheram on June 02, 2020, 02:09:55 am
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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Ikarus on June 03, 2020, 04:03:14 pm
Black dudes getting killed by the police every day in the USA, this one is being used for the election campaign. In the USA, nothing is sacred.

that would explain the random piles of bricks (always accompanied by at least two traffic cones) that somehow appear close to bigger riots, with no sign of a construction site nearby

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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Leshma on June 04, 2020, 03:44:56 am
lol wut
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Golem on June 04, 2020, 03:31:54 pm
shit is getting fucking grizzly over there

https://hoodsite.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/graphic-white-man-dies-trying-protect-business-looters-dallas.mp4?_=1 (https://hoodsite.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/graphic-white-man-dies-trying-protect-business-looters-dallas.mp4?_=1)
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Nickleback on June 04, 2020, 08:59:52 pm
that's why next time i met someone from US,i should not extend my conversation with them and get away from them as soon as possible.
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Asheram on June 04, 2020, 11:10:23 pm
that would explain the random piles of bricks (always accompanied by at least two traffic cones) that somehow appear close to bigger riots, with no sign of a construction site nearby

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lol yep and not just that also in those stackable recycling bins strategically placed on nyc corners.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1268187062001455111
But then again someone found that street corner which was no where near any of the rioting and also wondering where the surveillance footage is of those that put them there.
https://twitter.com/MattBinder/status/1268217783193567232
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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Ikarus on June 05, 2020, 02:53:59 pm
shit is getting fucking grizzly over there

https://hoodsite.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/graphic-white-man-dies-trying-protect-business-looters-dallas.mp4?_=1 (https://hoodsite.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/graphic-white-man-dies-trying-protect-business-looters-dallas.mp4?_=1)

He was going for hood people with a sword, what did he think would happen? To prove that prejudices are a hoax and they wouldn't stomp him to death?
Stereotypes exist for a reason, as sad as it sometimes is. And I don't see "trying to defend" here, that guy just keeps running for one squealer without backing up to any defensive place

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes, running towards a mob with a sword is one of em
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Golem on June 05, 2020, 06:20:48 pm
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes, running towards a mob with a sword is one of em

totally

sorta relevant
https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=583NNHDHRMA9 (https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=583NNHDHRMA9)
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Gurgumul on June 06, 2020, 12:29:18 am
haha broccolyn lol
Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Golem on June 11, 2020, 12:33:33 pm
https://dailyhive.com/seattle/seattle-capitol-hill-autonomous-zone (https://dailyhive.com/seattle/seattle-capitol-hill-autonomous-zone)


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Title: Re: Meanwhile in USA
Post by: Golem on June 11, 2020, 12:37:35 pm