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Re: Law enforcement in America.
« Reply #180 on: April 09, 2014, 06:18:28 pm »
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It's funny that they shoot bean bags at people then expect that those people will immediately do whatever they are supposed to do without reacting to the bean bags.

Bouncers are expected to deal with knife armed people while being unarmed? Sounds incredibly stupid and saying 'nothing you can't handle' seems to greatly overestimate anyone's ability to fight unarmed versus a knife.

We are talking about stupid angry drunk people with knives, not ninjas.

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Re: Law enforcement in America.
« Reply #181 on: April 09, 2014, 07:02:23 pm »
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We are talking about stupid angry drunk people with knives, not ninjas.
And we are talking about bouncers who got a few hours of 'knife defense' training, not ninjas. Stupid angry drunk with a knife versus a bouncer equipped with 'knife defense', I wouldn't bet my life on the bouncer. He shouldn't bet his life either.

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Re: Law enforcement in America.
« Reply #182 on: April 09, 2014, 07:11:17 pm »
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Bouncers are expected to deal with knife armed people while being unarmed? Sounds incredibly stupid and saying 'nothing you can't handle' seems to greatly overestimate anyone's ability to fight unarmed versus a knife.
99% of those are drunk people who show the knife before making an uncoordinated haymaker-knife attack, or use it just to threaten. Very different from a pro who walks by and then stabs you 10 times in the neck before you notice what's happening.

A weapon doesn't make a harmless person dangerous. People are dangerous, not weapons.

Most bouncers nowadays would use OC, though.
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Re: Law enforcement in America.
« Reply #183 on: April 09, 2014, 07:32:49 pm »
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Good luck evading the most uncoordinated knife lunge and subsequent strikes, except if he's so drunk he misses you or does it in slow-mo or both. You're going to get cut 100% chance. Of course if you manage to make him run away after he pulls out his metal dick, you win, but if his intent is to strike you you better run the hell out of doge if you're not ready to take major damage to your own life. The same for those armed policemen.
"Knife defense training" doesnt teach to evade cuts, and drills wont save you. The 2 first things you learn if you're into a no bullshit school. Hollywood and piss poor teachers are killing more people than you can count, and this thread is a proof.

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Re: Law enforcement in America.
« Reply #184 on: April 09, 2014, 07:45:23 pm »
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Bouncers are expected to deal with knife armed people while being unarmed? Sounds incredibly stupid and saying 'nothing you can't handle' seems to greatly overestimate anyone's ability to fight unarmed versus a knife.
We are talking about stupid angry drunk people with knives, not ninjas.
This. Should have pointed that out. My bad.
And you're never supposed to be alone. Always work in teams of two. Not to mention that me and most I know work with stab vest and lead-filled gloves. Those vest are actually pretty cheap to get when used and those gloves? Well, you can't cut or stab them. Simply can't. So combine the training and the equipment, knives still pose a significant threat, of course they do, but you can handle them.

And we are talking about bouncers who got a few hours of 'knife defense' training, not ninjas. Stupid angry drunk with a knife versus a bouncer equipped with 'knife defense', I wouldn't bet my life on the bouncer. He shouldn't bet his life either.
And as I pointed out, I would expect every bouncer to have proper training and that means way more than just a few hours of knife-counters. I know very few who carry a telescope bat for those purposes but they aren't legal. And pepper spray is problematic cuz that stuff tends to get to you as well and not just the guy it's aimed at. I never carried that stuff, seemed to dangerous to get caught in it myself.

And maybe I should mention that just holding the guy at bay with talking to him, keeping him busy and occupied till the cops arrive is just fine too. Ofc self-preservation is important. It's not like you rush head on in the guy.

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Re: Law enforcement in America.
« Reply #185 on: April 09, 2014, 08:33:54 pm »
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Good luck evading the most uncoordinated knife lunge and subsequent strikes, except if he's so drunk he misses you or does it in slow-mo or both. You're going to get cut 100% chance. Of course if you manage to make him run away after he pulls out his metal dick, you win, but if his intent is to strike you you better run the hell out of doge if you're not ready to take major damage to your own life. The same for those armed policemen.
"Knife defense training" doesnt teach to evade cuts, and drills wont save you. The 2 first things you learn if you're into a no bullshit school. Hollywood and piss poor teachers are killing more people than you can count, and this thread is a proof.

Lolwut. So apparently a knife turns anyone into a superman that can't be stopped. Bro, it's just a small, sharp piece of metal. I know several bouncers who have each done 50+ successful knife disarms, and they definitely haven't gotten cut every time.
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Re: Law enforcement in America.
« Reply #186 on: April 09, 2014, 10:01:50 pm »
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Old man?  The guy was 38 years old.
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Re: Law enforcement in America.
« Reply #187 on: April 09, 2014, 10:07:48 pm »
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Old man?  The guy was 38 years old.

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Re: Law enforcement in America.
« Reply #188 on: April 09, 2014, 10:16:17 pm »
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Re: Law enforcement in America.
« Reply #189 on: April 09, 2014, 10:18:45 pm »
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Re: Law enforcement in America.
« Reply #190 on: April 09, 2014, 10:38:38 pm »
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Maybe they are just too cautious  :D

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Re: Law enforcement in America.
« Reply #191 on: April 09, 2014, 11:01:13 pm »
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idk how old this thread is but it's nice to see an ignorant EU base one situation and call it "Law Enforcement in America". EU and NA are both shit holes and i find it hilarious how nerds who haven't explored past a one mile radius around their comp act like they know shit. Suck an Obama nut and move on  8-)

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Re: Law enforcement in America.
« Reply #192 on: April 09, 2014, 11:18:15 pm »
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idk how old this thread is but it's nice to see an ignorant EU base one situation and call it "Law Enforcement in America". EU and NA are both shit holes and i find it hilarious how nerds who haven't explored past a one mile radius around their comp act like they know shit. Suck an Obama nut and move on  8-)
There are news like this constantly in the U.S. Very, very rare in Europe.
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Re: Law enforcement in America.
« Reply #193 on: April 09, 2014, 11:42:06 pm »
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I don't know what sort of impression you get of the U.S. but being poor is against the law here.
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Re: Law enforcement in America.
« Reply #194 on: April 09, 2014, 11:45:04 pm »
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I don't know what sort of impression you get of the U.S. but being poor is against the law here.
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