This thread has encouraged me to instead of warning on TS, giving kicks, and eventually banning LLJK trolls (Zealot, Bear) I will 3 day ban you on sight at first offense, as if you were a bunch of Goatees. Enjoy :D
This thread has encouraged me to instead of warning on TS, giving kicks, and eventually banning LLJK trolls (Zealot, Bear) I will 3 day ban you on sight at first offense, as if you were a bunch of Goatees. Enjoy :D
Terrible admin... decided to turn off friendly banners for "better immersion" and TKed like 5 people in two rounds...
Tis a rather convenient excuse. How does one turn off banners?
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ugh dude, protip, please use spaces and stuff, your posts are absolutely awful to read, and its much harder to get people's attention to help you with anything if you write everything in giant walls of text.Nice decision.
anyways since you're just a noob I'll lift your ban. I banned you because I did in fact warn you, twice, about the long spear, and everyone on the server started getting pretty mad at you, as you merrily respawned repeatedly to go long spear lance people on horseback, which yes, is considered exploiting.
please don't do it again
Worst admin I've ever seen, an LLJK is naked and running over the whole team every round, he refuses to do anything. I shoot the TKer as hes riding me over and he bans me.
I said report team wounding or griefing with I chat, but you didn't do that, so I didn't know there was a problem.
This did not happen.
I chatted multiple times they were griefing, like i said above, you did absolutely nothing for a multitude of rounds.
This did not happen.
I chatted multiple times they were griefing, like i said above, you did absolutely nothing for a multitude of rounds.
19:23:27 - *DEAD* [Silveredge] Theres only a problem when some people attack a horse, but theres no problem for armored horses to run over the entire team AMIRITE? I never attacked a horse btw.
19:23:56 - *DEAD* [Silveredge] thats what i thought
Worst admin I've ever seen, an LLJK is naked and running over the whole team every round, he refuses to do anything. I shoot the TKer as hes riding me over and he bans me.
Here is all chat that involved you or your name on that day, knock yourself out.
My point btw. wasn't to proof that the cav bumping did not happen but to make sure everyone is aware that this:
Is just a lie as this was the only thing i could find you saying about this thing at all:
Well besides the thing you said after you tked the guy i guess :mrgreen:
20:33:03 - [Fallen_Homey] he shot teamcav that was riding directly at him to run him over AGAIN
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,24935.0.html
I saw goretooth playing a day after this.
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,24935.0.htmlYou know who why would you post in the right one? a 5 day ban for a few tks. Not that i play much. How you all been enjoying strat btw?
I saw goretooth playing a day after this. Who unbanned him? Not saying your a bad admin or anything i just want to know who unbanned him and why. He clearly stated "I thought it was funny" which sure as hell isn't learning his lesson. If I missed something I am sorry. I don't know where else to post this other than the admin who banned him and likely unbanned him's thread if im in the wrong spot just delete the comment and pm me.
His buddy BADPLAYER tramples and shoots me with a crossbow. Then says "Im not even sorry". I TK him, and get perma banned by Smooth. How many people did your friend TK to finish the map with 2/6 as a crossbow calv? Your friend acts like a child, and you foolishly defend him. Double standards are garbage too. If im banned for TKing, you should have banned him too. Would of been 100% avoided if he didnt talk shit after nearly killing me. You are a terrible admin, your polls support the notion too.
His buddy BADPLAYER tramples and shoots me with a crossbow. Then says "Im not even sorry". I TK him, and get perma banned by Smooth. How many people did your friend TK to finish the map with 2/6 as a crossbow calv? Your friend acts like a child, and you foolishly defend him. Double standards are garbage too. If im banned for TKing, you should have banned him too. Would of been 100% avoided if he didnt talk shit after nearly killing me. You are a terrible admin, your polls support the notion too.
Pubtrash..... Who was in a 1v1 that got ran over by a teamate and killed? That would be me. Who ran me over? That would be you, pubtrash. I think you are confused about what trash means(you are xbow cav scoring 2/6, lol). Second, no where what so ever did I deny killing you. In fact, it blantantly says I did if you could evaluate what you read. Guessing you are indeed retarded.
I have 0 problem with team bumps and kills, even when im having a 1v1. But when you are the sole reason I die AND you run your mouth afterwards I have a big problem with it.
And yes....badplayer forgot how to use temp ban......how many people have you banned? How long have you been playing? Right...
You are both trash and cant deal with losing.
no you died because you got in the way of my horse when I went to bump the enemy, it was completely your fault because you are Bad At This Game, maybe you should play some single player it seems more to your skill level. pubtrash.
Where are the senior admins?
please cite me some examples of this favouritism behaviour
shrug
Glad to see you still have such strong, dare I say, sanctimonious, opinions about this kind of stuff Tears.
He has a name.
- Unbanned someone for a strat battle.
I was not aware that I worded such things in a strong manner, nor did I say any word of having a superior position. That was certainly not my intention nor my line of thinking. Thank you for the two paragraph response though, very in depth and detailed.
Why do you have a plastic lawn chair in your room?
Removed
I find it remarkable that you managed to find those ancient photos of me of when I was... 19?Stop lying about the lawn chair, you can clearly see it in the second picture with you in it. No wonder you lost admin.
Also, that is not my room.
Stop lying about the lawn chair, you can clearly see it in the second picture with you in it. No wonder you lost admin.
I am not denying the existence of the lawn chair, I am denying that it is my room, or even the room that I am in right now.Until you show me photographic evidence of you in your new room with no lawn chair in sight, you shall be labeled as an idiot for bringing your lawn chairs inside to sit on. As bear said in his post, and I quote:
It was not my lawn chair, it was not my room.
Notice every time I said "The room I am in" not "The room I was in" thus referring to the present and not the past for if there are any lawn chairs in the room that i am in this very split second.
There is a clear distinction between a chair and a room, should you care to look that up.
TL:DR
There was a lawn chair in the room that I was in for that photo. There is no lawn chair in the room I am currently in (nor has there ever been). The photo taken displays a lawn chair that is not mine, and is taken in a room that was not mine. English is hard?
now tell us why you have lawnchairs inside of your "living space", those are for the lawn, not inside
Fine, don't trust me and just assume that in the 5 or more years since that was taken, I have not moved an inch, and that everything in the background of every photo that I am in belongs to me and is my property.
Flimsy argument to obtain a picture of me. :lol:
I shall just enjoy the attention that so many LLJK give me. Your obsession with me, while mildly creepy, is also lightly flattering. Thank you kindly.
So you still have the lawn chairs but in a different room now?
I am not denying the existence of the lawn chair, I am denying that it is my room, or even the room that I am in right now.
It was not my lawn chair, it was not my room.
Notice every time I said "The room I am in" not "The room I was in" thus referring to the present and not the past for if there are any lawn chairs in the room that i am in this very split second.
There is a clear distinction between a chair and a room, should you care to look that up.
TL:DR
There was a lawn chair in the room that I was in for that photo. There is no lawn chair in the room I am currently in (nor has there ever been). The photo taken displays a lawn chair that is not mine, and is taken in a room that was not mine. English is hard?
I just witnessed this admin ban Inviti_Zaren for "poll abuse". Allers, being the troll that he is, was spamming chat. Zaren put up a poll to ban him. AFTER the poll was put up, Shadowren muted Allers. It was too late to cancel the poll. The poll went through, and Smoothrich banned Zaren for ONE DAY for "poll abuse" This is complete and utter bullshit and abuse, Smoothrich does not deserve to have admin if he behaves like this. I even saw some members from the other team agree that Allers deserved the 30 minute ban.Apparently you're incorrect and he submitted three(3) ban polls without contacting admins prior to doing so.
SMOOTHRICH = BADMIN
I have 50 people in this teamspeak that agree with me.
Smooth is good admin
Apparently you're incorrect and he submitted three(3) ban polls without contacting admins prior to doing so.
Apparently you're incorrect and he submitted three(3) ban polls without contacting admins prior to doing so.it was 1 poll and it passed with 59%. Not my fault people on his team 1nd it. Whoever gave you that info is blind or an idiot.
I am merely commenting based on what information I've received(click to show/hide)
it was 1 poll and it passed with 59%. Not my fault people on his team 1nd it. Whoever gave you that info is blind or an idiot.Have you ever thought that maybe I'm the idiot?
Have you ever thought that maybe I'm the idiot?
Don't set yourself up like that...Simple truth is simple truth tears. I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed.
You had like 55% of the population in the server.nope was 59%
nope was 59%
Did i say the poll passed with 59%? Or did i say you had 55% of the players in the server! Your team had majority rule in the server! Of course the opposite team will hit one. so it was a no win situation for allers.
and i'm the troll
i dare u
Sad, smooth. I am sorry, but the Admin you are WILL be seen by the majority of players soon enough. If you have to come onto the forums to DEFEND yourself majority of the time, you are doing something wrong. Eventually the community will see this, and I think you are afraid of that. Have a good day.
Simple truth is simple truth tears. I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed.
another dude called out on explaining with the logic and rationality that i use in all my decisions to explain their opinions, and unsurprisingly another dude who backs down
get on my level
You're right Dark, it's unfortunate we all don't have this game linked through steam or have Fraps going all the time.
Anyway, I just find it interesting. If so many people find him a bad admin (going by his poll votes), then why can't they provide hard evidence or at least decent elaboration. Smoothrich has made a wrong call her or there; I have, others have, most of us admins have. I just don't think that makes him a bad admin. If you all feel differently, it is up to you to prove or show why you feel that way.
I don't know, yesterday night he was watching a massive tk fest then revenge tked someone. Had to ask like 1239812931 times for him to do something. A generally effective admin, but takes advantage of his admin status. On the fence.
Hmmm, I don't know Dark, maybe actually take a look at the posts in this thread and maybe actually click on the URL links, and read. Funny thing is if you click on the link it AUTOMATICALLY takes you to it. Crazy... right? Quit it with your empty posts, do some research if you want to be involved.You must be talking about the ban request thread where Smooth ended up getting your friend, the OP, banned for his vigilante behavior.
You must be talking about the ban request thread where Smooth ended up getting your friend, the OP, banned for his vigilante behavior.
Your friend's thought process:
Oh yeah, I don't like this guy, I'ma go break the rules. WHAAAT HE JUST TK'D ME ?!?! BAN HE!!!!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Hmmm, I don't know Dark, maybe actually take a look at the posts in this thread and maybe actually click on the URL links, and read. Funny thing is if you click on the link it AUTOMATICALLY takes you to it. Crazy... right? Quit it with your empty posts, do some research if you want to be involved.
I don't know, yesterday night he was watching a massive tk fest then revenge tked someone. Had to ask like 1239812931 times for him to do something. A generally effective admin, but takes advantage of his admin status. On the fence.
4 threads about a guy who posted a ban request, i fulfilled his ban request then asked him what he did to provoke the tk, and him and this guy flipped his shit for 2 days spamming threads and complaining that i was biased, even after I already banned the guy they wanted banned, was just asking for clarification
and i'm the troll
go ahead emotion make a post right now explaining how my handling of the crazyi ban request thread was biased or abusive, i dare u
shut up nerd
no1 cares, locking
Well I'll ban you both for 24 hours then, he has the chance to unban request, you've had the opportunity to apologize for griefing teammates but you refused to take it so you don't! Unless you'd like to explain why he was stopping you from kicking someone, which you still havent?Is this you fulfilling it first? hm.....I think your bias makes you so blind you have lost touch with reality. You should re-read that thread, because you sure as hell didnt approach it that way or I wouldn't of argued. Anyways this is my last post on the forums because of quality members and leadership.
My complaint now is.. I ban too slowly!
Wait... Smoothrich revenge tk'd someone Gricks?
Yeah, last night on siege. A guy named Illuminawti or something similar tked him. It was the 5th report so he got kicked, but right when he logged back in and spawned- Smoothrich tked him. Illuminawti was obviously twing on purpose so I suppose he did that instead of a ban.Heh, wow... good adminship there. So what happens now? We need a third party admin in here to solve this? Do not quote me but I am pretty sure that results in a 24 hour ban.
Use of the N word in any context is not allowed around me. I was feeling generous so I muted you instead of giving you a short vacation.
"How in the n***** did his stab go through my block?" Not insult nor racist, just a random curse word like when people say "How in the fuck" or "How in the shitballs." There is no way this violates the rules.
Seriously, just because Ganner (and seemingly the majority of people) are afraid of the word does not make the use of it racist. The admin should be taking the context and intentions into account. My intention was not to be racist nor insulting, and I wasn't. He had no right to mute me according to their server rules.
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,8628.msg127335.html#msg127335
This is irrelevant i know, but I just had to comment.
LMFAO lady gaga u little whore you. Stop running your mouth u troll. you're annoying as shit. You came into ATS vent 6 days ago and tried recruiting ME, Noobie, and Damatacus. saying that if we joined it would only cost $10 paypal, and your name on a submission sheet, to get one months access. I've never seen a bigger troll in my life and that's why 3/4 of CRPG players cannot stand you. I don't care about this thread just wish you would disappear.
BTW, Ecko doesn't force us to do anything, we play where we want and what we want, in fact his main motto is, " once ATS, always ATS," stating that we can come and go as we please we never need to "re-join" unless we quit. And we do NOT have to donate unless we choose to.
Lady fuck face, it seems you're a little upset that ATS is better managed and well-ran, with better players, that trust our leader, and enjoy playing under ONE banner, while your cave troll so called "clan" seeks single opportunistic achievements that benefit solely the one individual that succeeds. Good luck in strategus you spear chucker.
BTW i laughed throughout typing this... at you.
Okay let me get this straight, this is my first, ban, warning, yelled at, etc... I have ever received and I'm banned for 72 hours? (hmm) makes sense right? No. And Voester (nothing against you man) is banned for 24 when he is clearly visible in the screenies. (he's chaos initiate/member/recruit/what ever you want to call him, im ATS so i get 72 on first offense ever.) I never brought siege shields or anything, I never have bought those ever or even used them, I followed Jar around and proceeded to have fun. I was level 13 I believe if not lower, and I was 4-3. Now define delaying... well mainly, forcing the round to take longer than need be. I DID NOT do that. Anyways this shit happens all the time in game, I never heard of anyone ever getting a 72 hour ban for this, or even a ban at all.
Sincerely, A victim of abuse, Noodles.
LMAO, was that like 8 months ago maybe longer, that was when I first joined ATS, you must have typed Noodles into the search bar lmao. Cute. Anyways, I didn't even know you were LLJK. I thought you were solo. Anyways it seems you have broke the rules in the game, and repricussions are on the way. (If what Gricks said is in fact true.) You are held to a higher standard, and if you broke the rules, i'm sure it will be serious.
Yeah, last night on siege. A guy named Illuminawti or something similar tked him. It was the 5th report so he got kicked, but right when he logged back in and spawned- Smoothrich tked him. Illuminawti was obviously twing on purpose so I suppose he did that instead of a ban.
much like all of germany voting 1 for the holocaust, meaning it was the right thing to do.. right?
The point is a poll passing doesn't mean it was right. A majority holding an opinion doesn't make it ethical or true. Just because Allers was poll banned it doesn't mean he needed to be poll banned and it does not make it a self-justified act. I used the Holocaust to present, in the strongest language possible, my argument.Shoulda used 9/11
Sad.
Why are you still posting in this again? You're not even leaving feedback anymore.
Neither do you, clearly. So why are you here forum police?Ban this emotional prick.
I'm emotional because Darkkarma comes in here to troll and only troll, and i'm the bad guy? Hop off his dick Kreczor.It feels nice in my bum.
I'm emotional,(?) because Darkkarma comes in here to troll and only troll, and i'm the bad guy? Hop off his dick Kreczor.
Actually it's not handled yet, but you would like to believe so. :D
Why does this even concern you?
Why are you here again? I'm legitimately leaving admin feedback in the correct thread like I was advised to do, and by doing so some people spoke up, hence the reason why I am monitoring it. How about you?Defending an admin's choice. From my perspective he did the right thing and so I will support my opinion of this hated admin.
I have never had any discussion with smoothrich outside of the forums, hence never in-game.
Excessive trolling will lead to warnings.
Defending an admin's choice. From my perspective he did the right thing and so I will support my opinion of this hated admin.
Given that you've never had interaction with this Admin on the server, you are approaching this line. The one incident you are fishing over has nothing to do with you and I've not seen a complaint or ban request from the player(s) involved.
You've had plenty of space to make your opinion known on interactions that you were not involved with. Time for you to find another thread.
Anyway you guys can get this Emotion guy to liven up my admin thread? :mrgreen:
Actually this is the admin feedback thread and I am actually leaving honest feedback and then defending my opinions to other posters that seem to question my credibility. Is there an honest reason why you are now getting involved? Did I offend you or something? There is NO reason for you to come in here swinging your e-peen. I have done nothing wrong in this thread and I was advised by Kalam to take it to this particular thread. Then you go on saying you have not seen a complaint, tread back a bit and read previous pages before you decide to skip to the last page, post and complain. If anything you have nothing to do with this and you should not be in here posting your thoughts that are irrelevant.
Why are you still posting in this again? You're not even leaving feedback anymore.
Neither are you, clearly. So why are you here; forum police?
Also, another reason why he is a terrible admin. According to Badplayer, he was INTENTIONALLY TK'd by Smoothrich.
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,28920.0.html (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,28920.0.html)
What more do you guys need, honestly? This is the second report of an intentional tk in two days.
Wait, there is an edit button???
Those three posts were legitimately seperated to answer or post about three seperate posts. Are you seriously coming here to troll me now. I have kept this civil the entire time.
Triple posts should be bannable.
Smoothrich has proven he is an unbiased admin by banning himself for 24hours.
Even great men make mistakes, and it is the mark of a great man like Smoothrich to punish himself for those mistakes.
that's community, not officialDerp, my bad xD. I forgot.
nice proof m8
I like smooth. I have never had a problem with any admins. Maybe I am doing something wrong?
PRO CLAN BEST NA CLAN
That said, I believe Smooth, Ganner, Muki, and Karma (if Karma still has admin) are among the very few selective NA admins I've seen that do their job, and really work to better this community by being there for all players and serving the NA servers with a good brand of adminship.
Screw you Tanken!
Lazy admin who gives immature, half assed responses to ban topics, without reading through them, and is essentially 50/50 at this point on doing his job incorrectly/correctly despite having clan behind him to pad those numbers in his favor.
Lazy admin who gives immature, half assed responses to ban topics, without reading through them, and is essentially 50/50 at this point on doing his job incorrectly/correctly despite having clan behind him to pad those numbers in his favor.
Smooth is a badass and an awesome admin.I will tell you where I live.
If I knew where he lived I would send him a 6-pack of beer.
（ ^_^）o自自o（^_^ ）
This is a terrible troll. If you are going to grief an admin by accusing them of abuse and breaking rules, don't admit to calling someone a my old friend repeatedly while spamming polls against them, which is two rules broken at once. Also, are you saying you tried to poll kick someone off the server because they were a cigarette?
LOL...
First of the poll wasn't started by me.
Second off I said my old friend in chat twice (as the logs will confirm) and not directed towards anyone. Furthermore let me define my old friend for you.
verb (used with object)
1.
to tire or weary by labor; exhaust (often followed by out ): The long climb my old friendged us out.
2.
British . to require (a younger public-school pupil) to do menial chores.
3.
Nautical . to fray or unlay the end of (a rope).
noun
6.
Slang . a cigarette.
7.
a my old friend end, as of cloth.
8.
a rough or defective spot in a woven fabric; blemish; flaw.
9.
Chiefly British . drudgery; toil.
10.
British Informal . a younger pupil in a British public school required to perform certain menial tasks for, and submit to the hazing of, an older pupil.
(Source Dictionary.com)
So again what rule have I broken and where is my apology?
I feel Jason bitches at any admin that kicks/mutes/band him.
I feel smoothrich should be removed as admin for several reasons.
I've said it before and i'll say it again.
*Leeching in A.I siege (mostly EU sieges, but going 2/5 after an entire match, only spouting shittalk shouldn't be ok. This is just one example :rolleyes:)
-You've said this before with absolutely no poof behind it.
*Biased decitions in pretty much all his admining.
-Or maybe you're biased. Everyone has a point of view and because you don't agree with his decision, he's totally biased.
*Involved in selling loompoints for money.
-He had nothing to do with selling loompoints for money
*Always shittalks on the forum, giving admins a bad reputation.
-Admins are still players. You're asking him to change his personality because he has a certain title. He's an admin, but he's got his own flavor.
*Not doing his job as an admin.
-Evidence?
*Not active anymore.
-Maybe he's busy? I remember dexxtaa getting admin somewhere in the fall of last year and barely started playing till a couple months ago. He was at school yet kept his title so what's the issue here?
*Because meow said so in a thread aswell, and chairman meow is always right. 8-)
-Although true, meow is an eu admin and it's known that eu hates na and vice versa
I feel smoothrich should be removed as admin for several reasons.
I've said it before and i'll say it again.
*Leeching in A.I siege (mostly EU sieges, but going 2/5 after an entire match, only spouting shittalk shouldn't be ok. This is just one example :rolleyes:)
*Biased decitions in pretty much all his admining.
*Involved in selling loompoints for money.
*Always shittalks on the forum, giving admins a bad reputation.
*Not doing his job as an admin.
*Not active anymore.
*Because meow said so in a thread aswell, and chairman meow is always right. 8-)
I have never talked to Aldogalus before in my life, and I think you are a good player, and have even name dropped you in good player lists because when I am cav I consider you one of the top threats to me and my team.Firing barely once a minute? lol stop making up stuff oh wait.
Like or dislike, none of that influences any posts or decisions I make as an admin
The admin who was on during all of this said you ran from a 1 vs 6 for several minutes, scrounging for ammo, firing barely once a minute while running away picking up new arrows, and the entire server was complaining in "i" chat and dead chat for a stop to the delaying. Thus we discussed if this is technically delaying or not on our admin board, and cmp eventually posted clarifying the rules, which I relayed to you and everyone involved before closing the thread with a warning and explanation.
I have never talked to Aldogalus before in my life, and I think you are a good player, and have even name dropped you in good player lists because when I am cav I consider you one of the top threats to me and my team.
Like or dislike, none of that influences any posts or decisions I make as an admin
The admin who was on during all of this said you ran from a 1 vs 6 for several minutes, scrounging for ammo, firing barely once a minute while running away picking up new arrows, and the entire server was complaining in "i" chat and dead chat for a stop to the delaying. Thus we discussed if this is technically delaying or not on our admin board, and cmp eventually posted clarifying the rules, which I relayed to you and everyone involved before closing the thread with a warning and explanation.
This admin offered me to 'Suck his dick' today...not sure how to responde o this.
This admin offered me to 'Suck his dick' today...not sure how to responde o this.
A professional is a person who is paid to undertake a specialized set of tasks and to complete them for a fee
Admins are supposed to be professionnals, like, having a formation and all?
From Wiki, take it like you want.
Admins aren't supposed to be professionnal, until someone pays them.
Don't talk shit to an entire server on a daily basis then run to admins (who you are very quick to insult as well) as soon as you get well deserved teamwounding and ban polls against you. Its hypocritical and shows a lack of integrity in your pub superstar persona who should simply be above the petty trolls inflicted on you by the unwashed masses.
I don't care about talking shit in game while you own people really, but playing forum cop with ban requests over trivial things just makes you look like a baby, a shit tier member of the community like Anders and Digglez.
And who do you really see yourself as, Spook? The well-educated, refined in skill, solo pub star who leads his team to multis on siege with funny and fast snaps back at people who try to insult ur achievements? Or a crybaby who can deal out shit talk all day and when they give it back wants the admins he himself calls incompetent to win his battles for him.
Its up for you to decide.
Also don't you dare insult my professionalism in cRPG forum posting etiquette. I know I staple my cRPG post history to my job resume for every application I hand in. I haven't had any calls back but at least I've had plenty of time to pad my resume further with posts like this, so its all looking up.
Also don't you dare insult my professionalism in cRPG forum posting etiquette. I know I staple my cRPG post history to my job resume for every application I hand in. I haven't had any calls back but at least I've had plenty of time to pad my resume further with posts like this, so its all looking up.
Maybe it's my Master's Degree in Business Administration talking, but this is not how professionals act in any way, shape, or form.
You are certainly a shining example of how to act professionally in cRPG.
like the time you applied to Chaos and immediately picked a fight with members..
er, I mean the time you pretended to be dead to get attention...shit
oh, how about the time you acted like your teams commander, barking orders and berating everyone like a mad child, every single round ever...ever...
god dammit
But you're right, how dare an unpaid admin be willing to dish it back out a little to someone who seems to treat everyone they play with like utter shit. Maybe if they were educated like you they'd know how to treat people.
Don't know who you are. Doesn't matter.
Admins aren't there to "dish it back." That's what somebody who has never been trained to handle real responsibility would do and think was a reasonable toward conducting themselves.
If you're going to launch ignorant, petty personal attacks at me, save it for the game.
Also, don't go around carrying all that anger and cynicism inside. It isn't healthy.
You have to be hands down one of the biggest bundle of stickss to ever have joined cRPG. Everything you say, and do is as already stated utter shit. You go into servers with the intention to rile everyone up and start some kind of shit storm or debate because is the type of person you are, a piece of shit.
Stop being so fucking annoying and maybe someone will actually like you. Try it sometime, you might be surprised at the results.
No idea who this person is either. Frankly, life's too short to pay attention to every angry person who tries to tear you down to build their own self-esteem up for whatever personal reasons they may have.
That's probably a big reason I don't get bogged down by little things; especially the things complete strangers say over the internet.
No point paying attention to it or giving it any credence.
You gave me attention by responding to me, so I'm not quite sure where you're going with that.
I mean, you can sit here and act like you don't act like a giant bundle of sticks in game, that's fine with me but I'm going to tell you up front whether you want to take it as a troll or not. Now my concern it if you ACTUALLY think you don't do anything wrong which would give me the assumption you're a troll or mentally ill.
I hope you don't get bogged down by what I say because that wasn't my goal. I'm trying to tell you if you didn't act like such a douche in game you might make some friends and enjoy yourself. Every time you're in the server you try to cause shit. Do you actually play the game or do you just play it to troll people? I don't really understand maybe you can help me out and care to explain.
That's probably a big reason I don't get bogged down by little things; especially the things complete strangers say over the internet.
No point paying attention to it or giving it any credence.
Quite a Catch-22 you have there; it's good advice, given by a stranger over the internet. If there is value in heeding it, then I by doing so will be violating its tenets.
Quite a Catch-22 you have there; it's good advice, given by a stranger over the internet. If there is value in heeding it, then I by doing so will be violating its tenets.I'm still a little baffled people think they are somehow doing themselves a favor by holding little balls of negativity and hate inside themselves for strangers; especially strangers who have no genuine idea of who they are or that they exist. Trust me, you'll do yourself a bigger favor by letting go of that negativity and hate.
You aren't hurting me. You're hurting yourself.
I think that's what a lot of people fail to realize.
I'm still a little baffled people think they are somehow doing themselves a favor by holding little balls of negativity and hate inside themselves for strangers; especially strangers who have no genuine idea of who they are or that they exist. Trust me, you'll do yourself a bigger favor by letting go of that negativity and hate.
You aren't hurting me. You're hurting yourself.
I think that's what a lot of people fail to realize.
No, it wasn't. You are a traitor revisionist and sympathizer, and thus a disgusting human being with no moral or ethic compass, a failed education, and are probably a racist.
Let us quote the famous "Cornerstone Speech" of the Vice-President of the traitor States of America, Alexander Stephens, laying out the true meaning of the Confederacy, a few weeks after the first states seceded.
"Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the black in spanish is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition."
And the brave traitor patriots who fought to preserve their freedom?
"The Twenty-Slave Law, passed by the traitor Congress on October 11, 1862, during the American Civil War (1861–1865), created an exemption to military conscription for the owners of twenty or more slaves. The law was controversial in much of the South, where it served to exacerbate certain social rifts and led to claims by drafted soldiers that they were fighting a "rich man's war.""
Also, the articles of the confederation outlawed any traitor states from ever seceding themselves. Because Big Government is only ruining liberty and freedom when its stopping you from whipping friends to death in your cotton fields as you get rich off generations of despair, in an entrenched aristocracy that would make even Russian or Chinese serfs of the era shake their heads at the backwards Americans.
More freedom for the traitors? How about the traitor Home Guard, the literal Gestapo of the south? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/traitor_Home_Guard They went around dragging off Real Americans who possibly didn't want to be sent to the front lines for suicidal human wave charges by brave General Lee after living an already impoverished life in order to maintain the status quo of an absurd inequality in wealth and power.
Do you know how West Virgina was formed? A region of poor, slaveless mountain farmers, part of the wealthiest, most slave owning state of the confederacy, realized that "Hey, we don't hate friends enough/get enough money from friends to be willing to be sent to die in human wave attacks for the next 5 years. Fuck you Confederacy, we are making our own state and joining the Union" Bless them.
I could go on, but you probably already have it ingrained in your mind, from your family, your uprbringing, your culture, your friends, and your seething hatred of the inferior black in spanish race, that the Confederacy was a popular movement founded in principles of freedom and liberty, unlatching themselves from an oppressive, overbearing federal government.
Well Tugboat. You're wrong.
Haha, like when you called Huey a 16 year old retard who doesn't realize that the GLORY of the south would or should empower California citizens to go lynch black in spanishs back in the 1860s? Don't worry, I'm sure whatever state you're from kept that tradition alive long into the 20th century!
I pretty much agree with him, the whole "it wasn't about slavery, it was about states rights" meme is pure historical revisionism.
Then again, I also agree with you that he shouldn't be an admin.
inb4 hurr i troled u, u mad, y no taek joke
Maybe not now but back in the day they were a frontier state who didn't want big government meddling in their business. If they had had a proper army and war infrastructure they might have.
If you look at history, democrats were actually the opposition party at the time. The republican party back then was the more progressive party.
You have to look at historic and cultural context.
I'm sorry but aren't you like 16 years old Huey? I'm not hating.. I'm just not sure you're the type of person with the insight or historical knowledge to be able to say whether or not California during the time of the civil war could have been swayed to be on the side of the South. It's a very complex issue, and I'm pretty sure no one here really knows all the ins and outs of it.
I merely said that California should be on the South side since New York is so stacked. California is also stacked, and a lot of the southern states are hurting for good dudes. California also has a lot of players so I think it'd be balanced.
I only gave it to you with such ferocity because you called Huey an uneducated, ignorant child because even though he is a minority living in California, he shouldn't DARE speak out against the glory of the CSA as seen in California's eyes. You said he didn't know enough about history to hold his arguments, so I went ahead and used cited, primary sources of the era to paint an example of the regional divides in Californian sentiment towards teh confederacy (they thought it was shit unless they owned slaves already) and just how generally bad the CSA was, because I agreed with Huey.
You went ahead and said "..it really wasn't about slavery.. it was states rights..". You deserve everything you get once you say that, for the sake of the 800,000 dead americans in the civil war, and the untold millions of blacks who have had their lives ruined for hundreds, hundreds of years because of the institution of slavery.
If being AGAINST SLAVERY is reasons for me to be deadminned, then deadmin me. Everything I do, I do for my country and my people.
No masters, no regrets. Freedom of speech, of expression, and since the Union won the civil war, freedom of you know.. actually existing.
He is the kind of admin NA deserves to have.
He is the kind of admin NA deserves to have.
He is the kind of admin NA deserves to have.
these forums tend to be a breeding ground for hate mongering, enough that I have considered reporting threads to the Southern Poverty Law Center, and the American Civil Liberties Union on multiple occassions. I let Europeans wallow in their neo-YMCA until radical right wing parties inevitably sweep over the continent once the EU collapses.
If you want to read the full discussion you can check it on the NA Allstars thread pages 82 and 83. I proposed a fun north vs. south battle now that the votes were over and proposed that California could be on the side of the south to help balance things out since both New York and California had strong players. This sparks a very brief historical debate, where I agree that the leadership of California and the leadership of the south were at odds but what the average citizen wanted back then was the same and had nothing to do with slavery.
Smooth then goes off on a tirade where he personally insults me and drops racial slurs while at the same time calling me a racist.
Why is a troll who everyone pretty much unanimously agrees does a terrible job allowed to stay as an admin? He doesn't enforce rules and he posts racist shit and personal attacks on forums? What's the deal?
Edit: More racism and trolling from smooth in other forum
He is the kind of admin NA deserves to have.
...and I only mentioned Huey's age because HOW THE FUCK CAN A 17 YEAR OLD KID SPEAK FOR A BUNCH OF POOR PROSPECTORS AND FARMERS AND MERCHANTS FROM THE 1800S WHEN HE ISNT EVEN TWO DECADES OLD.
You need to have your admin powers revoked. You are a hapless troll and clearly have emotional problems of some fashion
Being an admin is a responsibility where it is important to be level headed and first and foremost follow the rules of the community.
He is the kind of admin NA deserves to have.
ok dude sorry for being mean i was just a dick cuz you acted like one to huey and only said racist terms to establish the character of the CSA (it was bad)
All I did was post my opinions and laid down historical fact and evidence about the CSA, and tried to clear up your misconception that there was popular appeal in the CSA for states rights and limited government. That idea you have was literally dreamt up in the early 20th century by southern apologists to try to change the historical narrative. It's a lie! I don't hate you or the south, but I hate a system that can distort the past and have it believed as fact by everyone generations to come.
And don't try to tell someone they aren't old or educated enough to talk to you on a subject when you disagree. You are just begging to get owned by somebody for sounding like an arrogant dick, doubly so when you are wrong in the first place.
Lastly, most of us here are Americans, and we should believe in 1 thing above all others. The Freedom of Speech. So what if we disagreed? THIS IS AMERICA. You are supposed to defend, with passion, with oratory, with facts, with the truth, to defend and persuade and sway public opinion, to make the country, or even just these forums, a better place. Its the principles our nation's democracy were founded on.
Ultimately my goal was simply to make some laugh, to make some cry, to make some feel good, to mourn those who died, to get tempers flared, to show why I care, and at the end of the day people can look back and say HEY MAYBE I LEARNED SOMETHING TODAY and wow that dude's right the CSA was not fucking okay!
I apologize to all who have been offended for my choice in words, and to Tugboat for insinuating he was a racist repeatedly. I just find it had to seperate the CSA with racism, much like chocolate chip cookie Germany and anti semitism (and everything elseism).
Thank you for the negative feedback votes in my thread, as always they are to me displays of affection. Take care.
I see you have refused to accept my apology with the honor and grace befitting of a southern gentlemen. I am left without a choice. I challenge you.. to a duel.
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Alright in all honesty, Smoothrich says some pretty hilarious but hurtful things at times. Even then, the most damning things ive seen him say are what was in that TS chat. Im not even going to fault him for that since as a former admin seeing and talking with many other admins in the past, I know much worse things have been said when speaking candidly or freely outside of these forums. He's highly opinionated and people's opinions can really suck at times, but hey, we are all entitled to them right? And I know people want to bring in that whole "Oh hes an admin and hes expected to adhere to a higher standard of conduct while setting a good example for everyone on these forums." I say bullshit to that. This isn't the blizzard administrative staff we are talking about here. This isn't even a paying job. Whats more, the admin position as a whole is already plagued with inactivity and indecisiveness and in some cases blatant favoritism. On top of that, while ive met plenty of cool people, this is still one of the shittiest communities ive been a part of in a long time. I dont think the turkish trolls are going to be any less unbearable if they have the shining beacon of immaculate admin conduct constantly showering down upon them. I don't think other shit posters are going to stop from posting gems like "shitty NA's being shitty, get owned, amerifats" or "heh daily NA drama thread :lol:" just because the in game moderators are always minding their P's and Q's. Maybe an admin's cool-headed response to the daily flood of idiotic complaints and tantrums from the average crpg player will cause said player to reflect upon their actions and straighten up and fly right? Maybe people on NA will stop saying shik is the reason for inconvenient server crashes during strat battles, thus making him the worst dev on the mod while shouting out "RETARD, THE SERVER" in IRC multiple times if he simply explains to them enough that it had nothing to do with him? Now, has smoothrich made some bad calls before? He certainly has, but I wouldn't say hes been any worse than some other, "good" admins. Just the other day Spookisland, a pretty infamous player was poll abused constantly in siege simply for being annoying in chat only to have an admin say "eh, if enough of the community agrees on it then it must be a valid reason for you to deserve it." This discussion went on in threads only to have the majority of the community telling spook to fuck off while supporting the admin. Meanwhile, a guy had has admin removed before he even knew what was happening simply because he capitalized on a noob's mistake in the marketplace, despite him actually being a pretty vigilant admin all because one guy who happened to be a clan mate of the victim bitched and moaned enough to cause the devs to agree to remove this players admin. The inconsistency on this forum is pretty disgusting. I know I certainly wouldn't ever list the crpg dev team as a reference if I ever wanted to apply as administrative staff in any other online game/community. Im not even trying to defend Smoothrich here, but come on; at least give valid reasons pertaining to in game/actual administrative conduct to back your campaign for trying to deadmin someone(trust me, they are out there.) Don't do it simply because they said something that hurt your feelings in a sub forum that has nothing to with being an admin what so ever. That's incredibly thin-skinned and part of the problem with this community. This is all opinion ofcourse!
I've never seen Smoothrich abuse admin powers or even come close to it.
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My apologies Smoothrich, I had no idea my report would be worth 40%
My apologies Smoothrich, I had no idea my report would be worth 40%
sorry, EU community is really awful in this game and very quick to abuse polls, troll, teamkill you, and all these other things. one of the main reasons new players don't stick with the game.
if you're stuck in EU and don't like having to play with the most insufferable people in any game ever, I suggest quitting cRPG now and playing a game without self-entitled, autistic, horrible people.
He posted this in a new players thread about an 'unfriendly community'. I replied with this:He doesn't play on EU because the moment he goes EU he gets banpolled, I've seen him like get banpolled like a 100 times on EU rageball.
"What a fucking ignorant comment. You don't play on EU so your opinion is ridiculously invalid. In addition, you are giving this new player a horrendously inaccurate view of the EU side, and what makes it worst is that he will look at your "Admin" title and believe every word you say."
Smooth is god -- Once you realize this, you'll stfu.
He also gets rage polled by EU, so he has a legitimate claim.
I appreciate you -1'ing my post simply because you like Smoothrich and not for the actually integrity of the post itself.No he didn't, he gets polled 'cause he's American and EUrs are jealous of his skills.
I don't see any other player besides Djavo get ragepolled frequently, so Smoothrich must be doing something wrong. I don't think there's a spontaneous global hate for the boy, and so must've done something to annoy people. He probably went on and just started flaming everyone in the EU side, but heres me assuming.
He posted this in a new players thread about an 'unfriendly community'. I replied with this:
"What a fucking ignorant comment. You don't play on EU so your opinion is ridiculously invalid. In addition, you are giving this new player a horrendously inaccurate view of the EU side, and what makes it worst is that he will look at your "Admin" title and believe every word you say."
That's shocking behaviour for an Admin, hopefully you reflect on that and apologize. Don't come out with "BUT ITS THE TRUTH--- IVE BEEN PLAYING FOR 4 YEARSSSSS" that's a load of shit and not a valid reason to justify why you said that.
I appreciate you -1'ing my post simply because you like Smoothrich and not for the actually integrity of the post itself.
I don't see any other player besides Djavo get ragepolled frequently, so Smoothrich must be doing something wrong. I don't think there's a spontaneous global hate for the boy, and so must've done something to annoy people. He probably went on and just started flaming everyone in the EU side, but heres me assuming.
So what you are saying is someone has a different opinion than yours and therefore you need to throw a fit like a baby over it? Just checking. I'm curious what action this relates to in-game? Oh wait, it doesn't relate to his actual admin duties. Stop being a baby because someone called EU servers something you didn't like.
I saw smooth in game and I had this overwhelming urge to raise my sword above my head and cleave him into two.
I don't know why I had this feeling and I can't tell if it was the fact that I am a good person that I didn't or because I would be banned faster then a left swing.
Other then that I haven't seen him be bias in his admin ship, a little bit of a dick in his posting but who read anyway.
On the EU side I have heard and read many times about EU polling constantly during games as opposed to the here where it is once a week maybe. And not EU is a nicer place because their version of spook got Essay banned.
He posted this in a new players thread about an 'unfriendly community'. I replied with this:
"What a fucking ignorant comment. You don't play on EU so your opinion is ridiculously invalid. In addition, you are giving this new player a horrendously inaccurate view of the EU side, and what makes it worst is that he will look at your "Admin" title and believe every word you say."
That's shocking behaviour for an Admin, hopefully you reflect on that and apologize. Don't come out with "BUT ITS THE TRUTH--- IVE BEEN PLAYING FOR 4 YEARSSSSS" that's a load of shit and not a valid reason to justify why you said that.
fsmoothrich is the admin EU deservesI disagree, he is the admin that NA deserves. Keep him out of EU and well inside of NA thank you very much, he fits in much better there and belongs there.
And yes, for a week or two I was unable to play EU Rageball, when I was enjoying the game mode a lot and only EU server would be full. Cuz a couple players ban polled me on sight, and it was a server I never spoke in, with players I didn't know. It was because I was an American. The same thing has happened to me and plenty of people I know on EU_Siege, being ban polled for American ping with good scores (this is why Tears is never polled, he sucks at the game)This, to both statements.
You are a terrible admin because you started a war with the hospitallers and you are losing...
Wait what how does starting wars in strategus relate to admining?
Wait. They actually gave you a 40% warning for when I pointed out your Jihad statement? :shock:
People really care about + / - ?
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I wasn't even referring to myself, or NA players, being ban polled on EU, just how often they poll each other, almost always ban polls if they're enabled.
I obviously don't play on EU often, but I do a couple times a month. Which is even more telling that I see at least a dozen ban polls on any server at any given time. I don't think players would even argue that this doesn't happen.. EUs complain about the poll abuse constantly.
And yes, for a week or two I was unable to play EU Rageball, when I was enjoying the game mode a lot and only EU server would be full. Cuz a couple players ban polled me on sight, and it was a server I never spoke in, with players I didn't know. It was because I was an American. The same thing has happened to me and plenty of people I know on EU_Siege, being ban polled for American ping with good scores (this is why Tears is never polled, he sucks at the game)
And yes, the community can be pretty awful, but the game is good. That is what I was telling a new player, and almost every post in that thread agreed. If anything, your reaction here is just proving my point further. Quick to anger, no rationalization, blatantly biased towards my opinion becuase I'm American, no empathy, very rude. You are exactly what I'm talking about. Get out of my thread.
I'm not even talking about myself really, dude. Whenever I play EU there are ban polls flying off on everyone nonstop, and if you look at their ban request forum you see dozens of reports daily of teamkilling, griefing, all this other malicious stuff towards each other. Its a lot worse than NA, from my experience, or at least with more players means more trolls and griefers. The ban polling is just something I don't get though, but its funny.
What have you even seen with me on EU_2? I don't even grief or troll in game and hardly use chat. I think you're just another hater like all the rest, shootin blanks in my thread hoping for some quick +1's by the Tears of Destiny's of the world.
http://forum.meleegaming.com/na-%28official%29/temp-ban-on-spearyn/
shit admin
http://forum.meleegaming.com/na-%28official%29/temp-ban-on-spearyn/
shit admin
Team wounds someone 5-8 times, gets banned and he bitches. Smooth is obv out to get him since he is in hero party and aderyn is a hospi. Please remove smooths admin powers.
It's more about smooth not being able to figure out what happened.
Decious was blocking me by purposly standing infront and attacking me as seen in his own screenshot. Maybe it was overexcessive to protect myself but that doesn't change the fact he was blocking on purpose and "bro ruling" aka griefing everyone else on the team. If i'm banned why the hell isn't decious?
learn to hit ctrl+insert or F12. It's HIS WORD AND PROOF versus YOUR WORD AND A FEW WITNESSES. Granted, you had people back you up(not clan mates either) who attested to the "bro ruling" of decius. He should get a WARNING for it, but that's why Smooth has a bad rating on his admin feed back. 51% dislike him
learn to hit ctrl+insert or F12. It's HIS WORD AND PROOF versus YOUR WORD AND A FEW WITNESSES. Granted, you had people back you up(not clan mates either) who attested to the "bro ruling" of decius. He should get a WARNING for it, but that's why Smooth has a bad rating on his admin feed back. 51.5% dislike him 48.5% like.
Smooth has a bad rating for trolling people while being an admin, not for his actual admin skills.
he said decius was body blocking rohypnol, rohypnol died in the screenshot and aderyn teamwounded the poster 4 more times until he died after rohypnol was already dead
smoothrich is one of the best NA admins
The same thing has happened to me and plenty of people I know on EU_Siege, being ban polled for American ping with good scores (this is why Tears is never polled, he sucks at the game)Bragging about siege scores, rofl.
I can't believe no one else mentioned that.
can't believe noone notices the fact that decious was also teamwounding me after roh was dead.
You reported him only once in your SS. he reported you 3 times.
they're still on the market fyi. just pointing that out. its not like you HAVE to buy them. anyone could. just like anyone could be sending me more screenshots of you teamkilling right now. after all, you are now a repeat offender.
If i buy them can you make me a song?
So you are telling me you have the money now to pay me that 50K that you owe me?
Oh and um, Smoothrich is cool, and stuff.
they're still on the market fyi. just pointing that out. its not like you HAVE to buy them. anyone could. just like anyone could be sending me more screenshots of you teamkilling right now. after all, you are now a repeat offender.
I guess the c-rpg photographer in my has to come out once again then.
Terrible admin... decided to turn off friendly banners for "better immersion" and TKed like 5 people in two rounds...
Surely im not the only one who thinks that if you have to forum mute an ADMIN, then clearly he shouldn't be an admin?
Its like having to ban chadz, its not really something someone in his position should get
Is now actively ignoring i-chat reports. Not even a generic adminchat warning to make sure people are not TWing.
Remove this admin please.
He currently cannot read i-chat reports because his rank is lower than what is necessary to do so.lol, seriously? Fucking awesome.
Well he told me to "stop spamming ichat," so evidently he can.
He gets an error message every time someone types in it.10/10 good adminship canary by lowering his admin rank. Hilarious.
He currently cannot read i-chat reports because his rank is lower than what is necessary to do so.
Who's idea was this, and why?
What precisely can he do, then?
It should really say something when an admin has to have his powers lowered far enough that he can't even (supposedly) read I chat messages. If his trolling and inexcusable actions have had him get punished this severely, and there are several complaints about his (lack of) admin duties why even keep him as an admin?
I for one find it unfair and unjust that after all of the reports, complaints and punishments he still has the ability to flex his power over the poor innocent players of cRPG that want nothing but a fair and decisive moderator. The only people I see defending his position are his clan friends, and more than just his strategus enemies are against him.
Answers?
he genuinely believes he is some sort of behind the scenes CRPG superhero, out to save the world from the evil fallens and there plots to ban everyone in Crpg
I'm not sure what Fallen has to do with any of this. Besides being a group of griefers and shit talkers always trying to start trouble, much like I informed oohilac the other day when he was trying to get MB players banned for no reason. Basically like LLJK was but unfunny and somehow even less skilled.
[23:07] <Smoothrich> you are like a serial killer who has gotten away with it for so long he begins to have sex with his dead victims in public22:06] <Smoothrich> you just brazenly multiaccount in public
I'm sorry that "shooting through staircases" I'm not gonna go around banning people for during a Strat Battle, a random bullshit thing that people will do in any map they can. I've been in countless sieges against FCC or other clans who break walls but the wall prop still exists and people pike and shoot through it while not being visible. This is allowed. The stairs were hit with catapults and the scene prop was identical, it could be walked out on one side.Again, there you go with your shitty eye for an eye complex. WELL FCC DID IT SO WE CAN DO IT TOO, no, it makes you a horrible admin and a horrible player for stooping to that level and allowing it to happen. You're so blinded by this absurd feud you've cooked up with FCC that you'll ignore that you have a responsibility to stop shit like this from going on and even encourage it, to a certain extent.
If you think this stuff is broken, complain to the devs who changed the way catapults work. As far as I'm concerned that is all working as intended. Which is hardly working at all, but there you go.
Just rather funny to hear i chat flood with FCC people who whine about every possible fake or real exploit they see, when they are the most abusive of anyone. Thanks for the morality lesson though, brah.
Again, there you go with your shitty eye for an eye complex. WELL FCC DID IT SO WE CAN DO IT TOO, no, it makes you a horrible admin and a horrible player for stooping to that level and allowing it to happen. You're so blinded by this absurd feud you've cooked up with FCC that you'll ignore that you have a responsibility to stop shit like this from going on and even encourage it, to a certain extent.
There's no morality lesson, it's simple facts. You and Kesh are such crybabies that you'll go to any length to ruin everybody's fun on strat, as long as the repercussions go back to the opposite side and it's just fine to you. I'm not defending FCC, I'm not defending Kesh. This has gone far out of control if it starts to corrupt admins like this.
Again, there you go with your shitty eye for an eye complex. WELL FCC DID IT SO WE CAN DO IT TOO, no, it makes you a horrible admin and a horrible player for stooping to that level and allowing it to happen. You're so blinded by this absurd feud you've cooked up with FCC that you'll ignore that you have a responsibility to stop shit like this from going on and even encourage it, to a certain extent.
There's no morality lesson, it's simple facts. You and Kesh are such crybabies that you'll go to any length to ruin everybody's fun on strat, as long as the repercussions go back to the opposite side and it's just fine to you. I'm not defending FCC, I'm not defending Kesh. This has gone far out of control if it starts to corrupt admins like this.
...I'm not gonna go around banning people for during a Strat Battle, a random bullshit thing that people will do in any map they can...
I don't think you can really make an argument that smoothrich should have banned ~20-30% of the roster. Its the same logic when the cops bust a house party. They just tell everyone to leave, the don't start arresting everyone under 21 that is there.
Well, according to the poll you put up yourself Smoothrich you're not doing your job correctly as an admin. Time to change your behavior as an admin or maybe give up the job yourself.
I think you need to choose Smoothrich.
Either you can troll like you're used to or you can be an admin. Not both, you can't handle the responsibility of being an admin while trolling.
EDIT: Also, the poll doesn't make sense. Smoothrich can change the options so at to make it look like the "no" votes turn into "yes" votes and vice-versa. He's done it a couple of times to confuse the votes and make it appear as if more people prefer him as admin than the opposite.
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The bottom has always been NO until recently I guess. I watch all the admins Performance ratings, his was second worst behind Eyebeat(who had a worst one when I last checked).
For those wondering were the multi account BS/"Proof" is just start here:
http://forum.meleegaming.com/diplomacy/bounty-in-crpg-gold-for-any-eu-person-attacking-smoothrich/msg725609/#msg725609
I watch all the admins Performance ratings
Lol so he switched the options to make himself look better? Wow....that's low if true.
and I'm quite confident the truth will be leaked soon.
You are more right then you know.
Well, of course there are things that are not always seen unless it is right in front of us. The outcome doesn't look too good for you, but of course there may be things underlined that can be in your favor soon, as sort-of understood by your confidence. Best of luck to you.
Like the fact that no admin has come out and said it was an unjust ban?
Admins generally stick by admins... Kind of like the blue line of law enforcement. Christopher Dorner crossed that like, whether it was honest or not, and got kicked off the force. The brotherhood, blue line, admin line... is what matters to most people. Most everyone wouldn't cross it. I understand you are in the same clan as him and wish to stand by his side, even if the odds look weary. That's a friend if I've ever seen one. Time will tell, whether honest or not.
where are cmp/chadz? this whole situation is a disgrace for a now professional company.
where are cmp/chadz? this whole situation is a disgrace for a now professional company.
Actually before making that post about the poll results I took a screen shot of it :lol:
I think switching the poll option should be a reason to remove his admin rights, clearly he can't be trusted.(click to show/hide)
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He actually did change it around, what a scallywag! I obviously initially voted no, anyone who isn't silly knows that this man isn't a good admin- I mean you can't put it much simpler than that.
If this is the type of admin M:BG will have, I will advocate to get my money back!
Just out of curiousity, how do you know how good or bad Smoothrich's admining is if you are an EU player and he is an admin on NA? This can be directed at all the EUs posting here that don't play on NA.
1) Accusing someone of item bombing because they have 3000 crates is wrong. Our field armies have close to 500 crates and our Siege armies carry close to 2000. 3000 is therefore not unreasonable. If the items were later proved to be absolute crap instead of siege gear then possibly there would be a case however item bombing is not in any rule set I have seen to date.
3) Previous bans in this strat have been done in anonymous waves rather than by targeting individuals to maintain impartiality. We were assured that the Grey Order and Union bans from before xmas were done anonymously and by a systematic approach yet now we hear that Admins and Devs are targeting individuals in opposing strat factions for investigation. This makes a mockery of the previous investigations and brings into question whether the previous ban truly were impartial. Alternatively it suggests that there is one rule for EU strat and another for NA strat which is equally bad imo.
Yeah, most of the "anonymous ban waves" are a mockery of being impartial, because they are literally just targeting UIF players and just about no one else on purpose, because the people doing it are Fallen. Every Fallen posting here is full of shit, which shouldn't surprise most people who see how the game is run and the amount of BS they get away with while their enemies are permabanned or deadminned as they are trying here. Embarrassing and it is my opinion you should have no place as a dev in Strategus and have no input in these matters, because of your lack of impartiality and massive bias + prejudice against players over Strat politics.
Boy that's easy to say. And probably a lot more accurate with you!
1) Accusing someone of item bombing because they have 3000 crates is wrong. Our field armies have close to 500 crates and our Siege armies carry close to 2000. 3000 is therefore not unreasonable. If the items were later proved to be absolute crap instead of siege gear then possibly there would be a case however item bombing is not in any rule set I have seen to date.
Also, dbrookz only had 119 item types, the 3000 crates came from having 1000 ladders, over 1000 arrows, 400+ bolts, 31 csites, 700 cmaterial, and 75 siege shields and about 100 excess armorJust looked at composition of our armies. Fully equipped army(2-3 types of horses, 3 armors, different types of boots & hands, 3-5 types of each melee class, arbalests, horns,rus, crossbows, normal & bodkin arrows, 2-3 ladders, s.shields, c.sites & materials) has about 20-40(max) types of items. Thats 3-4 times less than this guys used to siege poor Ahmerrad.
@oprah_winfrey: I had it all written out but I simply cba with the drama, if you look through my previous posts and search "Smoothrich"- you'll see I made a post in here about how he insulted all of the EU players to a new player, inquiring about the community. He called all the EU players "autistic" and a bunch of other shit.
And I took a screen shot before you edited your post.
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Wow. I think this should be a reason to permaban you, clearly you can't be trusted.
If this is the type of admin M:BG will have, I will advocate to get my money back!(click to show/hide)
And I took a screen shot before you edited your post.
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Wow. I think this should be a reason to permaban you, clearly you can't be trusted.
So in other words, you have no experience with smoothrich as an admin. Funny how that works.
Remove Smoothrich as an admin but keep Kesh banned.
And segd im sorry we are not as organized as drz, but we had about 12-14 different 1handers, 8-9 different 2handers, 10 different polearms (people requested four way polearms in addition to the normal pikes, long spear, bamboo spears), crossbows +1 and +3, arbalests +1 and +3, horn bows and long bows +3, horn bows +1, +3 and +1 bodkin arrows, +3 arrows, +2 and +0 steel bolts, normal bolts, the siege gear, throwing axes, and 2 other throwing weapons i forget which ones, 6 different shields, and we had some heavier plate like armor, +3 and +2 cav robes, lamellar vest, +1 peltastos armor, and +1 ragged outfits, similar number of types of helmets,a nd 4-5 boots types, and 2 horses types - this is all just off memory. Anyone who has ever done a siege or organized gear for an attack - would this even remotely be considered what you would do to "item bomb" someone??
Not sure how he can ban me for something i didn't do myself, for a crime that was never actually committed and other admins don't come back and override him - its your job, its obvious he is not acting impartially and thats what an admin is supposed to do.
What it sounds like is usable gear fitted for fighting, not trash you'd throw away. I'd think if you were to item bomb you'd just grab a bunch of shit gear. This does not appear to be what is happening here. But yes, definite item bombing. :rolleyes:what about the broken hunting crossbows, normal hunting crossbows, broken hammers, broken rondel daggers, broken shortened military scythes, stacks of broken bolts and arrows, broken mauls, broken boar spears, broken two handed axes, 5+ different types of peasant body armors??? Anyone that played defense on these sieges saw all the crap your looking for. There is no secret why ranged or csites couldnt be used for half the battle. Anyone saying otherwise is a fool.
Well Kesh is obviously raging out hard on Smoothrich just because he was banned by him and he never liked him.It seems to me that it is Smooth who is spergin out hard. *shrugs*
The item bombing isn't even the main thing here, its just a sideshow, even though its pretty much anti-fun. FCC attacking within miliseconds of each attack ending so no gear can be managed, while bragging to mercs about making Ahmerrad item bombed, is just poor sportsmanship. Its the multitude of other charges that have been investigated that really seal the deal on Kesh here.Oh silly Smoothbabe, you can't ban off of bad sportsmanship!
what about the broken hunting crossbows, normal hunting crossbows, broken hammers, broken rondel daggers, broken shortened military scythes, stacks of broken bolts and arrows, broken mauls, broken boar spears, broken two handed axes, 5+ different types of peasant body armors??? Anyone that played defense on these sieges saw all the crap your looking for. There is no secret why ranged or csites couldnt be used for half the battle. Anyone saying otherwise is a fool.
And the devs have said "deal with it" every other time someone complains about getting item bombed. It's never been ban worthy, and bans issued for strat offenses have always been issued by the dev team.
2) The following is plain wrong from any admin but especially wrong from a head admin
03:27 <Shik> on topic
03:27 <Shik> i have 0 objections to a ban against kesh
03:27 <Shik> for real or imagined crimes
Either this was a genuine comment or it was a troll post but either way it was used as "Dev" approval for the ban on Kesh.
Well I've heard from multiple sources that a ton of the gear was old gear taken from Shik from previous battles they won, so that would explain that.Lol, why would shik have those items??? He had a 2k shiny army with plate not hunting xbows. I can understand a small amount of shit gear. But who is gonna trek across the map with that shit as part of a siege army?
This was from a non-public IRC channel. How Kesh got it is currently unknown, but it's not for public consumption. By that I mean not everything should be taken seriously, since admins are still discussing stuff before reaching decisions. So basically Kesh posted this because it makes Shik look bad, but really it means nothing.
What are you talking about?
I witnessed him trash-talking the entirety of the EU side to a new player to steer that player clear from playing on EU servers. Anyone with "Admin" as their title needs to be careful when they post, they can't talk/post like some typical troll when it comes to 'serious matters'. How can you not see that!? I'm genuinely shocked mate.
Not to mention, the countless other stuff he's done. If by Admin'ing you mean, his actions on the servers, you are right I don't have MUCH experience with that. To say that I can't amass an opinion of the way he Admins in general based on the stuff I read, is simply naive haha!
You can post feedback about any admin on any server but do not create multiple threads for the same admin.
Yes. Long live the just King Smoothrich
This was from a non-public IRC channel. How Kesh got it is currently unknown, but it's not for public consumption. By that I mean not everything should be taken seriously, since admins are still discussing stuff before reaching decisions. So basically Kesh posted this because it makes Shik look bad, but really it means nothing.
I won't post the logs but I will point you (since you have access) at the conversation involving Smoothrich beginning at 03:51 and specifically at Smoothrich's quotes at 03:54. You will note that clearly Smoothrich took Shik's words seriously enough to use them as proof of a "Dev decision" although when quoting he omitted the bit that makes Shik look bad.
As for who is leaking logs to Kesh. I don't know who it is and it shouldn't have happened however that doesn't make Shik and Smoothrich's actions right.
I will announce a grand compromise. I will resign as admin, as long as Kesh's account is escalated to a global ban, along with the accounts of Bangbros_Busty, Flying_Dildos, Texas_Obesity, and a full IP sweep is done of the other FCC members who are still questionable, along with finding out exactly how many accounts Kesh has accessed so they can all be globally banned.
I will sacrifice my privileges, my honor.. for justice. That's all this is about.
what about the broken hunting crossbows, normal hunting crossbows, broken hammers, broken rondel daggers, broken shortened military scythes, stacks of broken bolts and arrows, broken mauls, broken boar spears, broken two handed axes, 5+ different types of peasant body armors??? Anyone that played defense on these sieges saw all the crap your looking for. There is no secret why ranged or csites couldnt be used for half the battle. Anyone saying otherwise is a fool.
There is like 4000 hammers in the city, there is not nearly as many long and rus bows.
I will announce a grand compromise. I will resign as admin, as long as Kesh's account is escalated to a global ban, along with the accounts of Bangbros_Busty, Flying_Dildos, Texas_Obesity, and a full IP sweep is done of the other FCC members who are still questionable, along with finding out exactly how many accounts Kesh has accessed so they can all be globally banned.
I will sacrifice my privileges, my honor.. for justice. That's all this is about.
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Comments like this just prove how terrible of admin you have become. You're desperately bargaining now, because you realized you royally messed up. Man up, admit you let rage and hatred cloud your judgement. Maybe the Dev's will take pity on you.
I'm an admin and I'm doing that job by trying to keep the game free of cheating exploits abuses and other things that we don't allow.
A few people shot arrows out of a stairwell at some point I guess and I-chat was flooded with rage sayign EXPLOITS PLEASE BAN, while our side had 3/4 of our gear unable to be spawned the entire battle due to FCC exploits.
I'm sorry that "shooting through staircases" I'm not gonna go around banning people for during a Strat Battle, a random bullshit thing that people will do in any map they can.so your crooked idea of justice is appeasing anybody who is on your side of the battle, while ignoring the comments of everybody else who isn't on the side of those at fault?
... a full IP sweep is done of the other FCC members who are still questionable, along with finding out exactly how many accounts Kesh has accessed ...
I'm not desperate, I don't really care about Strategus, and I've never experienced rage over videogames in my life, except Call of Duty once or twice when I was much younger. I'm an admin and I'm doing that job by trying to keep the game free of cheating exploits abuses and other things that we don't allow. People just disagree because they are Strategus allies with the cheaters.
yeah the other thread is worthless when the admin being evaluated can manipulate it freely.What? I thought everyone did that... :(
I will sacrifice my privileges, my honor.. for justice. That's all this is about.
Wait, so an IP sweep is a process that reveals multiaccounting, that can and HAS NOT YET been done on Kesh? Then how the hell did you ban him for multiaccounting?
l sacrifice my privileges, my honor.. for justice. That's all this is about.
hey, wait, what?
everybody knows tomas is a nolifer tryhard, its smoothrich we are talking about
Hes a damn retard i always wanted to say that. Him and retards like him mercs, fcc, ready to go beyond standard game mechanics just to survive. I need to draw a picture where mercs shaking with pants full of their shit coming to chadz with the list of people they want banned. Or fallen thomas touching him on the knee saying he will do ANYTHING to make bans happen, just like he did with great economy fix. Duped gold by Anti Uif in last strat just wasn't enough.
Next time thomas and mercs use ur ass and maybe ur army will get flying carpets.
By admining, I mean the way he uses HIS ADMIN POWERS. Not the way he shit talks eu on the forums. Im sure you could see the difference m8.
Wat...
This coming from DRZ, who did how many abusive mechanics well beyond "standard game mechanics" back in the day when you were, many strats ago, beating on FCC, not even counting all the other "things" you've done beyond Standard Game Mechanics?
Remind me again how many DRZ were banned for exploitation and other such things?
Nebun, you are an adorable little bastard <3
Wait. So you think it's acceptable for an admin to shit talk the community to a new player by calling the community 'autistic', so long as he doesn't abuse his power of kicking or banning people?
Oh right, so you mean when he posts something and has the title "Admin", he is allowed to then lose his 'admin persona' (the mere fact that an admin needs to develop a persona is laughable)?
Someone who trolls like that should not have 'ADMIN POWERS' to abuse in the first place.
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ALSO, When a new player goes to any community and they see someone with an Admin title, they immediately assume "This guy knows what he is talking about- i'll listen to him".
Now lets say you were running a community, and one of your NA Admins tells a new EU player not to play on the EU servers because it is filled with 'autistic' players (and whatever else he said, it was pretty bad), you would condone that?
Your telling me you would think "Ahh it's fine, so long as he doesn't abuse his server powers."
I'm saying if I had the choice of someone who is going to be a nice guy on the forums and helpful to new players or good decisions on who to ban/unban/kick, I would prefer the later. Ideally you would want both, but admins aren't a paid position, so I'll take what I can get.
Take what you can get? There are a ton more people that play this game that would follow both lines and admin because they want to... not for pay.
Therefore invalid.
Didn't you scam clan mates out of cRPG and Strategus gold until they all left Remnants and the clan died? Pro plays there champ.
lol you're in no position to continue to attack people; and to be 100% honest, I have no idea what you're talking about, but please... continue this story.
If you can conjure some facts too please. heh.
These threads are just for discussion - zerging a thread telling how some admin is EVIL and MEAN does not mean that admin will get fired.
Yeah, the guy with the troll face avatar and the 1000 posts in ban sections and feedback threads saying "~~BADMINS!1" to every decision is the man holding all the cards here.
Point of order -
Furthermore, the polls here are optional and do not actually have a bearing on the admin in question's position. Harping on how the poll got changed or how "most people agree" on something one way or another will not serve anyone. If you want to contribute something to the discussion then choose a different subject.
Point of order -
Yeah, the guy with the troll face avatar and the 1000 posts in ban sections and feedback threads saying "~~BADMINS!1" to every decision is the man holding all the cards here.
So do you have any proof or what you just accused Emotion of? Or are you just going to avoid the subject and resort to some unrelated insult as usual? Like if you're going to accuse someone of something like that at least have SOMETHING to back it up. This is getting pathetic...... :rolleyes:
I'm saying if I had the choice of someone who is going to be a nice guy on the forums and helpful to new players or good decisions on who to ban/unban/kick, I would prefer the later. Ideally you would want both, but admins aren't a paid position, so I'll take what I can get.
Hey it's my thread. No one invited you all here.
If i had any more proof I'd be too toxic to drink.
If i had any more proof I'd be too toxic to drink.Mind sharing it then? This definitive proof?
Mind sharing it then? This definitive proof?
Point of order -Please correct me if I'm wrong but, does this mean that these "Feedback threads" are basically admin blogs?This board is for admin feedback. You can post feedback about any admin on any server but do not create multiple threads for the same admin. These threads are just for discussion - zerging a thread telling how some admin is EVIL and MEAN does not mean that admin will get fired.Furthermore, the polls here are optional and do not actually have a bearing on the admin in question's position. Harping on how the poll got changed or how "most people agree" on something one way or another will not serve anyone. If you want to contribute something to the discussion then choose a different subject.
Furthermore, the polls here are optional and do not actually have a bearing on the admin in question's position. Harping on how the poll got changed or how "most people agree" on something one way or another will not serve anyone. If you want to contribute something to the discussion then choose a different subject.
Please correct me if I'm wrong but, does this mean that these "Feedback threads" are basically admin blogs?
Furthermore, the polls here are optional and do not actually have a bearing on the admin in question's position. Harping on how the poll got changed or how "most people agree" on something one way or another will not serve anyone. If you want to contribute something to the discussion then choose a different subject.
Please correct me if I'm wrong but, does this mean that these "Feedback threads" are basically admin blogs?
No of course not. Your opinion on how ___ is a "baDMIn" is very important to us. Please give me another thousand views. If this thread keeps going at this rate I will get a sponsorship with Google ads.
No of course not. Your opinion on how ___ is a "baDMIn" is very important to us. Please give me another thousand views. If this thread keeps going at this rate I will get a sponsorship with Google ads.
You, and Canary through his recent comment, have go so far as to essentially tell everyone that these Admin threads are a formality and hold no weight. That's pretty unsettling - you signed up for this job, so please take it seriously.
Firstly, feel free to pay my my cRPG gold wages to make it a proper internet knights job. Secondly, going ahead with banning Kesh was me taking admin seriously, and look at the reaction it causes. People only rage at justified bans on their friends and allies, and only think "good job" when people they don't like are banned. Pretty much no one cares about right and wrong and the truth.i mean, we're calling you out on being a shitty admin, instead you're trying to be an unfunny internet hero, and when you do try and put a fragment of thought into it, you just blame it all on 'LOL THOSE WACKY FCC, PLS STOP GANGING UP ON HERO PARTY FCC SYMPATHIZER'
If you think everyone who posts in this thread is going to get a notarized response from the office of Smooth, Administrator Esquire™ then you need to help me find a cRPG desk secretary.
Firstly, feel free to pay my my cRPG gold wages to make it a proper internet knights job. Secondly, going ahead with banning Kesh was me taking admin seriously, and look at the reaction it causes. People only rage at justified bans on their friends and allies, and only think "good job" when people they don't like are banned. Pretty much no one cares about right and wrong and the truth.
If you think everyone who posts in this thread is going to get a notarized response from the office of Smooth, Administrator Esquire™ then you need to help me find a cRPG desk secretary.
Firstly, feel free to pay my my cRPG gold wages to make it a proper internet knights job. Secondly, going ahead with banning Kesh was me taking admin seriously, and look at the reaction it causes. People only rage at justified bans on their friends and allies, and only think "good job" when people they don't like are banned. Pretty much no one cares about right and wrong and the truth.
i mean, we're calling you out on being a shitty admin, instead you're trying to be an unfunny internet hero, and when you do try and put a fragment of thought into it, you just blame it all on 'LOL THOSE WACKY FCC, PLS STOP GANGING UP ON HERO PARTY FCC SYMPATHIZER'
THESE ADMIN THREADS LOL
Firstly, feel free to pay my my cRPG gold wages to make it a proper internet knights job. Secondly, going ahead with banning Kesh was me taking admin seriously, and look at the reaction it causes. People only rage at justified bans on their friends and allies, and only think "good job" when people they don't like are banned. Pretty much no one cares about right and wrong and the truth.I would like to be your cradle, master.
If you think everyone who posts in this thread is going to get a notarized response from the office of Smooth, Administrator Esquire™ then you need to help me find a cRPG desk secretary.
Please correct me if I'm wrong but, does this mean that these "Feedback threads" are basically admin blogs?
You, and Canary through his recent comment, have go so far as to essentially tell everyone that these Admin threads are a formality and hold no weight. That's pretty unsettling - ...
People only rage at justified bans on their friends and allies, and only think "good job" when people they don't like are banned.
Yeah man, you were all for that dastardly Plague getting permabanned, because you didn't like him and praised the admins. It happens to someone you like or feel ambivalent towards, and you rage and blame the admin(s). You're a hypocrite and shockingly pro-Cheating. I'm not trying to be a hero, just calling you out for being wrong.
Yeah man, you were all for that dastardly Plague getting permabanned, because you didn't like him and praised the admins. It happens to someone you like or feel ambivalent towards, and you rage and blame the admin(s). You're a hypocrite and shockingly pro-Cheating. I'm not trying to be a hero, just calling you out for being wrong.
You missed a spot
[15:07] <MrShine> [14:56] <Shik> Here's the plea deal: you tell us who leaked you the irc dev info and we'll shorten your ban [14:57] <Keshian> wow [14:57] <Keshian> you are sucha bad admin [14:57] <Shik> yep [14:57] <Elmokki> mod has been dead for ages already [14:57] <Keshian> we really need cmp and meow and chadz tos tep in at this point
[15:08] <MrShine> you aren't going to get help from cmp on that one kesh
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[15:08] <MrShine> it was his idea
(timezone difference obviously, this happened about 10 minutes later)
Now that cmp has global banned Kesh, does that make it more acceptable? Was that the proof you guys were looking for?
This still hasn't shown me any tangible, undeniable, proof. It shows me that, undeniably, no one likes Kesh, and I think we all already knew that. And still, Smooth was the one who executed cmp's idea, the magnitude of which we (the general public) do not know. If it was: "we need to global ban Kesh for multiaccounting" then yeah, it carries a lot of weight. But if it was more along the lines of "damn Kesh is such a sperglord, we should just ban him" then it doesn't mean shit, because everyone's said that at some point.
Same proof that was presented when the drz/grey/union/autoblockers were banned. Slightly more actually.but you see, it's different because like, smoothrich is an admin who said some things that might have been a little bit weird so thats bad and BAN SMOOTHRICH BAN BANBNA BAN BAN
Same proof that was presented when the drz/grey/union/autoblockers were banned. Slightly more actually.
But for these the process of identifying who to ban was done anonymously to prevent bias. The crime was defined before hand and turned into a filter by the investigator and everybody caught by the filter was banned and given the same punishment.Be biased more.
In this case we are told that Kesh was individually targeted for investigation and then the results were reviewed and an action taken by people who are known to dislike him.
Kesh may or may not be guilty of Strat multi-accounting, however the only way he should have been banned for it is if his account was anonymously flagged in a proper ban wave. This is important because it not only protects players from biased admins but it also protects admins from biased player accusations.
But for these the process of identifying who to ban was done anonymously to prevent bias. The crime was defined before hand and turned into a filter by the investigator and everybody caught by the filter was banned and given the same punishment.
In this case we are told that Kesh was individually targeted for investigation and then the results were reviewed and an action taken by people who are known to dislike him.
Kesh may or may not be guilty of Strat multi-accounting, however the only way he should have been banned for it is if his account was anonymously flagged in a proper ban wave. This is important because it not only protects players from biased admins but it also protects admins from biased player accusations.
Where is the proof that they went through these steps?it was done by meow and the dev team. not by two admins that are known to be shitty and that are bff's
But for these the process of identifying who to ban was done anonymously to prevent bias. The crime was defined before hand and turned into a filter by the investigator and everybody caught by the filter was banned and given the same punishment.Ummm what? You realize how stupid this sounds right? In fact, if any moderator, admin or developer feels that someone is cheating they should investigate it fully. It doesn't matter who, or what they're suspected of. It's not bias, nor should the only way to be banned for multi-accounting be by anonymously flagging in a wave. I can't even form a proper argument against this because I can't see any sensible reason why you wouldn't, at times, do an individual investigation.
In this case we are told that Kesh was individually targeted for investigation and then the results were reviewed and an action taken by people who are known to dislike him.
Kesh may or may not be guilty of Strat multi-accounting, however the only way he should have been banned for it is if his account was anonymously flagged in a proper ban wave. This is important because it not only protects players from biased admins but it also protects admins from biased player accusations.
I would like to be your cradle, master.My poetry is better.
I will take the words of your peasants, and turn them into laws you can enforce back on them.
I will take the weapons of your criminals, and turn them into a hammer of justice.
I will take the wickedness of your enemies, and turn it into a fiery passion.
I will take the milk of your whores, and turn it into wine.
I am yours, if you will be mine.
Oh Lord, hear my prayers,
let the all powerful Smoothrich take the reins of his steed,
and ride upon the wails of his non-believers.
My poetry is better.it was more of explaining how much i like his attitude, and if he keeps doing shit like this im 100% behind him
You just made poetry suck, gg, it's like Smoothrich said, you kill everything you touch.
it was more of explaining how much i like his attitude, and if he keeps doing shit like this im 100% behind himWell ok then, I accept that, don't get to close though, don't kill Smoothrich, or poetry.
it was done by meow and the dev team. not by two admins that are known to be shitty and that are bff's
yeah you don't know much lolso not being NA makes me blind?
so not being NA makes me blind?Yeah, everyone knows Europe was invaded by eye eating aliens back in 1939, so yes.
Ummm what? You realize how stupid this sounds right? In fact, if any moderator, admin or developer feels that someone is cheating they should investigate it fully. It doesn't matter who, or what they're suspected of. It's not bias, nor should the only way to be banned for multi-accounting be by anonymously flagging in a wave. I can't even form a proper argument against this because I can't see any sensible reason why you wouldn't, at times, do an individual investigation.
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I know a bit more about this ban than others, and I'll say this.
Stop commenting and wait. Trust me. What we see here doesn't actually show what's going on in the background. Just because smooth did it doesn't mean it wasn't supported, but at the same time, an admin with the horse in the race shouldn't be the final judge, and these admins know that.
The admins here are far, far less inept than you people try to make it out to be.
Just sit back, and wait. You'll get your verdict on this out come pretty soon.
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it was done by meow and the dev team. not by two admins that are known to be shitty and that are bff's
The "anonymous" checking of accounts meant checking only UIF accounts.
5:25 PM <REDACTED> I'm pretty sure not just FCC is multi accounting
5:26 PM <REDACTED> my point is that the rules seem to have a lot of loopholes
5:26 PM <Meow> didn't check anyone else
(from a while ago but whatever)
If only UIF accounts were checked, why did people outside of the UIF like the FIDLGB guys (Pale horsemen mebe was what they were called then?) get banned? Oh why do I even bother asking this again considering every time it is ignored :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Multi-accounting is harder to check for, and is what many people in FCC and other clans do, but the problem is noone bothers to check for it because they are not UIF clans.Well:
Exceptions to the rule rather than the rule.
Plus its alot simpler to automatically check for account sharing which is what FIDLGB did.
Multi-accounting is harder to check for, and is what many people in FCC and other clans do, but the problem is noone bothers to check for it because they are not UIF clans.
Well, you said it yourself, account sharing is against the rules and is somewhat easy to check for. Multi-accounting is nearly impossible to check for, and using it as an excuse to ban someone is outrageous, especially when the evidence is nonexistent regardless of how difficult it is to detect.
Would agree if other people who got banned for it got unbanned too (some UIF dudes).
Either unban everyone, or enforce the rules on everyone. Don't just pick and choose who has to follow them.
Well, you said it yourself, account sharing is against the rules and is somewhat easy to check for. Multi-accounting is nearly impossible to check for, and using it as an excuse to ban someone is outrageous, especially when the evidence is nonexistent regardless of how difficult it is to detect.yes kesh constantly posting on his other account and then deleting those post means nothing we should all just forget he might be multi-accounting hey it's cool no reason to be fair.
Would agree if other people who got banned for it got unbanned too (some UIF dudes).
Either unban everyone, or enforce the rules on everyone. Don't just pick and choose who has to follow them.
yes kesh constantly posting on his other account and then deleting those post means nothing we should all just forget he might be multi-accounting hey it's cool no reason to be fair.
Would agree if other people who got banned for it got unbanned too (some UIF dudes).
Either unban everyone, or enforce the rules on everyone. Don't just pick and choose who has to follow them.
Drawing a relation between a systematic checking of accounts and the targeting of one individual by someone who clearly has a personal dislike of the accused is a little tenuous.
EU has a similar situation with Gingerpussy I believe, and I don't think Gingerpussy is banned, so why should Kesh be banned?
If by a higher standard you mean the fact that Smoothrich was already being probated for egregious bans (one against badplayer) and that he has since lost admin, then I'd say we're on track, here.
In case anyone is wondering what's going on.
- Smooth's been dead-minned. At least for now.
- NA admins are furiously debating Kesh's ban on NA admin forums and going over the evidence presented. cRPG admins are semi-autonomous, which means that we don't normally interfere with bans by other admins.
- Also trying to find who leaked admin chat logs, because the chat is meant to be a private place where admins can discuss things without having to worry about their public image, same goes for the admin forums, except the admin forums are usually more serious in tone and actually contains effort and actual opinions as opposed to admin chat. Also someone presenting admin chat logs as if they actually represented actual opinions and not just random trolling is trying to inflame the situation even more, without discussing this with the admins. It also contains some developer chat that the devs might not necessarily want to see leaked.
Usually the admins aren't that unwilling to express their views in the open afterwards. Though, one difference with EU and NA is that NA uses the admin forum more actively and tries to think of a solution together, while EU admins do their own thing and discuss things more in admin irc chat or in the public forums.
PS. Anyone views represented here are to be taken as my limited info on the topic. I haven't been on irc since yesterday, so I'm out of the loop most likely.
In case anyone is wondering what's going on.
- Smooth's been dead-minned. At least for now.
- NA admins are furiously debating Kesh's ban on NA admin forums and going over the evidence presented. cRPG admins are semi-autonomous, which means that we don't normally interfere with bans by other admins.
- Also trying to find who leaked admin chat logs, because the chat is meant to be a private place where admins can discuss things without having to worry about their public image, same goes for the admin forums, except the admin forums are usually more serious in tone and actually contains effort and actual opinions as opposed to admin chat. Also someone presenting admin chat logs as if they actually represented actual opinions and not just random trolling is trying to inflame the situation even more, without discussing this with the admins. It also contains some developer chat that the devs might not necessarily want to see leaked.
Usually the admins aren't that unwilling to express their views in the open afterwards. Though, one difference with EU and NA is that NA uses the admin forum more actively and tries to think of a solution together, while EU admins do their own thing and discuss things more in admin irc chat or in the public forums.
PS. Anyone views represented here are to be taken as my limited info on the topic. I haven't been on irc since yesterday, so I'm out of the loop most likely.
well to add some more fuel...
words words words
A bunch of admins have come forth to say that admin chat in IRC is a relaxed chat room, not a strict council. Shik was quoted out of context and the drama blew it way out of proportion. Don't push it as a point in your argument.
well to add some more fuel.
about 3 or so other people have since posted logs from the same chat, but since they were random "lol trolling" things no one cares. Double standard? I realize one shows how awful smoothrich is an admin and how apathetic shik is towards his role as headmin, where the others show obvious trolling but its the same "crime" of revealing private chat logs. Also, banning people because "we think maybe they leaked info" is pretty much the worst. especially when the person who they identified (or who smoothrich and shik identified) happens to be leading an army that might take smoothrich's city away... gee seeing as smooth is obviously a trustworthy guy it seems logical to ban someone he thinks might have leaked info, even if that person might take his strat city away... HMMM.
anyways, this whole mess is a bunch of bullshit. I still want to see how it plays out but so far all signs point to things getting far worse instead of even slightly better.
the thing is... they are trying to hunt down and lynch whoever leaked that "not important chat" even though multiple others have leaked random shit from it too. Also, I know shik, I talk to shik, I like shik and shik is apathetic towards his role. If you actually got shik to bother to come read this and ask him "would you like someone else to be headmin of NA?" I bet his answer is yes. shik would rather be trolling. He is a good guy but a bad headmin and I doubt he would disagree.
Smoothrich loses admin and Kesh gets banned? This is almost the best of all possible outcomes. Although Smoothrich eventually also getting banned seems inevitable, so there's hope yet.
Nah, if Digglez also got banned, then it would be perfect.
I heard the Star Wars MMO is free2play now..
It is, but it has terrible fucking restrictions. I wouldn't touch it unless you're willing to pay. Yes I'm serious.