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Islam and Judaism are different takes on the abrahamic God, which should be a factual, non-offensive statement,
and Buddhism and Hinduism actually are similar in alot of ways, but they are different.
But Christianity isn't a 'different take' on the God of Abraham? If you're classing Islam and Judaism as Abrahamic religions, then Christianity should be in the same group too.
... but i think its a good thing for people to see the people that they are playing with.That is one of the many reasons why I strongly dislike most religions. That statement is assuming that you don't know a person unless you know his religion.
But Christianity isn't a 'different take' on the God of Abraham? If you're classing Islam and Judaism as Abrahamic religions, then Christianity should be in the same group too.
But Christianity isn't a 'different take' on the God of Abraham? If you're classing Islam and Judaism as Abrahamic religions, then Christianity should be in the same group too.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.
Never, not even ONCE has someone stood up and yelled "I DECLARE WAR IN THE NAME OF NO GOD!"Urss? Revolutionary France? North Vietnam?
Never, not even ONCE has someone stood up and yelled "I DECLARE WAR IN THE NAME OF NO GOD!"
False
In Soviet Russia, in particular, humanism and secular belief was one of the defining characteristics of the peoples revolution. The abolition of religion as a state mandate helped to further this goal. It only led to repression, and the black market smuggling of religious materials as well as secret undergroud churches. They also imprisoned people for outward religious beliefs, and publicly persecuted them all in the name of "no God"
read your world history again. this was only one example. there are many.
When a state is defined BY ITS PEOPLE, and one of its very founding tenets was humanism and the repression of religion, that is a people standing up and declaring war in the name of "no god". The very people who pushed for revolution followed this to its extreem. This is exactly what you have said has never happened. and a revolution IS war on the current system.
No mate, the people who pushed for revolution in Russia where all killed or sent to Syberia within 6 months of the Tsar being removed from power. The Soviet Republic was a brutal regime to live under exactly BECAUSE those who wanted to improve things were removed, sometimes as simply as a icepick to the head, as in the end of Trotsky. The USSR was a ugly, horrible parody of socialism and its ideals. Blindly yelling "FOR STALIN" and killing people, thats the same as yelling "For God!".You forgot that the urss also formally declared war on a shitloads of countries, in the name of an atheist ideology.
My point stands, be your god a man, or a deity; blindly following someone is an act of faith. So when a person is subjugated to the will of another, because "God" said so, or because "Stalin" said so, its the same, its a war based on faith, NOT based on improving the standing of those being subjugated, which is the ONLY truly altruistic case for war.
The allies in WW2 is the closest anyone has ever come to fighting a war for good reasons in someone elses country. The majority of soldiers IN that war fought because what einstein was doing to europe was WRONG, and they all saw it, and they stood up and said "NO more", and they went to Berlin to shoot him. So, short of THAT case, there is NO case where someone can invade another with good cause. So, they have bad causes, and while thruout history the VAST majority of wars, EVEN the crusades, where realistically ONLY for financiall betterment of those organising them, unfortunatly for religions, they tend to be used as the excuse.
Anyway, I have gone off on a tangent: Faith in a man, or a god, is used as an excuse for many wars, but never has someone invaded another country to try propulgate Atheism.
Btw for your information.. Religion is the biggest hypocritical organization since the dawn of time. They say non-religious people are wrong and bad and that we should pray to the lord almighty for forgiveness (now donate or you go to hell.)? Hah no... Matter of fact 90% of the time it's religion hating on science.
When someone tells me they are very religious, all that goes through my head is, "Ok, guess I'm smarter than you..." Humans came up with the idea of a God or gods to explain things we didn't understand, a "god of the gaps". As science and understanding have spread, religion has naturally retreated.
Also the modern Atheist trend is weird too. Why jumping on religion all the freaking time?
I also think the options are a bit wonky. But put me down for Evangelical Historic Pre-Millennial Continuationist 3-point Calvinist (TIP) Christian.
What goes through my head when I read someone equating religious belief with stupidity is, "Ok, guess you need a better education...".
Especially when they go on to make a claim ('Humans came up with the idea of a God or gods to explain things we didn't understand') that implies that they think they can provide an answer to a question that has remained unanswered for thousands of years, despite the best efforts of some of the greatest thinkers of human history. Its amazing that you can provide such an answer after thinking about the subject for all of 10 minutes.
Perhaps you should write to the various heads of the world religions and share your unique and well thought out insight with them, and they can all go home and stop believing in God(s)? Its marvellous that we finally have the question of religion answered. I see a Nobel prize coming your way!
Did the flame shield work?
Yep, guess I'm smarter than you... :P
Are muslims praying with head to the east in Pakistan too?most muslims pray towards the city of Mecca in Saudi Arabia.
When I was very young I asked my mother once "What religion am I?". She looked somewhat stunned and said that I could say Protestant Christian.
Perhaps you should write to the various heads of the world religions and share your unique and well thought out insight with them, and they can all go home and stop believing in God(s)? Its marvellous that we finally have the question of religion answered. I see a Nobel prize coming your way!
Did the flame shield work?
Yep, guess I'm smarter than you... :P
A few questions I asked myself/thought about when I was a kid was why religions are so based on geography/culture. So I like asking these questions:
my answer to E was atheism. Of course, results may vary.
Long live the chadz!
You don't see Jews bombing anyone or forcing anything down anyone's throat.
*ahem*
*points at Israel.
Agreed. Anyone ever heard of Palestine?
People so shrouded in bliss and ignorance. Watch the news! (Not fox-news)
Lol, I wish someone would. We might all get a bit of peace, for a short while at least. :P
It would be nice to have people not blow shit up and kill for the sake of a difference of religious opinion for a change.
People kill each other because of psychological and sociological reasons, not because of religion. Blaming religious belief is just a very easy answer to a very complex problem.
3) God has a plan for the world, and it runs according to that plan (which makes d impossible)Well of course this cannot be assumed. That ideas would have to come from somewhere. When you think about a subject, you cant just start in the middle. Tabula rasa!
4) People follow different religions because of some aspect of the Divine Plan, which is beyond human understanding
Atheism is just as much a belief system as any given religion is. And its just as culturally influenced, too.That is also, by definition not true. "Not playing tennis" is not a sport, "being bald" is no haircolour and "not having sex" is not satisfying.
Edit: I feel I have the right to attack religions, I was forced to be scared from god when I was a child and then put into an totally elite catholic church school where people were molested left and right of me from priests, thank god I was lucky enough to skip the experience first hand :P
Also the violent spread of marxist communism, national socialism were marked by the massacre of religious people
To say atheism never caused war or genocide is denying Marx his legacy of genocides committed by tyrants the world over(in the name of Socialist Revolution ) that would have never happened had his philosophy never existed
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Agreed. Anyone ever heard of Palestine?The news you watch is incredibly onesided. Although Israel does a lot wrong, I think their behaviour is nothing more than reasonable, because they are surrounded by countries that, qouting Ahmadinejad, want to blow Israel into the sea.
People so shrouded in bliss and ignorance. Watch the news! (Not fox-news)
The news you watch is incredibly onesided. Although Israel does a lot wrong, I think their behaviour is nothing more than reasonable, because they are surrounded by countries that, qouting Ahmadinejad, want to blow Israel into the sea.
Follower of the CoS
I think its sad that there are people, who belief in nothing.
After reading your wikipedia page, how do you destroy someone when he bothers you and doesnt stop? Do you rain fire from the sky?
Not just religious people, anybody suspected of dissent. So were these religious people killed because they were religious, or were they killed because they were dissenters?
(From dictionary.com)
Atheism:
1. the doctrine or belief that there is no god.
2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.
Firstly, I take issue with sense 1. Sense 2 is the true - and most literal - meaning of atheism. Regardless, there is nothing in either about genocide, and there is nothing there about Karl Marx. Don't conflate Stalinism (which is not even Marxism) with atheism. Atheism, unlike ALL religions has no creed. You do not have to do anything, there is no network of interdependent beliefs, there are no rites or rituals and there are no holy books, prophets, divine messengers, beings or devils or demons whose messages can be interpreted or misinterpreted. Atheism is just disbelief. How you get from a disbelief in deities to genocides - I do not know.
And all those deaths had nothing to do with Socialism, they were the result of tyrants wanting absolute authority over the people they ruled. But let's not digress - this isn't a topic about Socialism.
9. Do not harm little children.for instance.
10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
Atheism is just as bad imo as religion: They're both a rigid belief without virtue of proof (lack of proof otherwise is not the same thing as valid proof of your theory, sorry) and unwilling to bend, change or otherwise alter that belief because something doesn't fit it's dogmatic mold.
omg this thread is sigh worthy.And that's why I'm Nihilistic.
Well everyone has already covered the silliness of the major religions so far.
Satanism: Just as pointless and retarded as christianity itself. I talked to some members of the church of satan when I was a teen and going through my soul-searching period. It's a trite hypocritical dogma based on narcissism. For one thing how can you ever respect someone that calls himself a satanist and yet is against rape, murder, child abuse, etc. Sorry, this is satan here, if anything those act should be praised and celebrated by the church of SATAN on high. for instance.
What a crock of shit. Sorry.
Atheism is just as bad imo as religion: They're both a rigid belief without virtue of proof (lack of proof otherwise is not the same thing as valid proof of your theory, sorry) and unwilling to bend, change or otherwise alter that belief because something doesn't fit it's dogmatic mold.
This whole thing is silly, however props to the OP for the blatantly obvious troll-bait that has gone on this far. It never ceases to amaze me how well this classic works. Next will be the political discussion thread right? lol
Iam an spiritual Satanist. Follower of the CoS, founded by Anton Szandor Lavey.
Hails.
What? No. I have a hard time even understanding how you could believe something like that... do you think it's silly to believe that Santa Claus can't really fly? Are you unwilling to bend, change or otherwise alter that belief if you don't believe in him and his flying reindeer?You're arguing about something unrelated to what we're talking about: Atheism
You're arguing about something unrelated to what we're talking about: Atheism
Atheism is a dogmatic rigid belief that it is completely impossible that there is any kind of dietific power in the universe period. Any acknowledgment that there is even a possibility of what we in our limited understanding would classify as a supernatural power somewhere in the infinite is against the atheist belief system, no wiggle room. It's not a matter of "The christian god doesn't exist. Or muslim, or (insert specific dietific name/title here" but a rigid believe that the possibility for any deitific power in any form does not exist anywhere in any form. Which for all intents and purposes includes the possibility of alien beings/intercessions capable of feats (whether through technology or evolutionary capacity) dietific in appearance.
Atheism, in a broad sense, is the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities. Most inclusively, atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist. Atheism is contrasted with theism, which in its most general form is the belief that at least one deity exists and agnosticism which acknowledges the possibility that a diety could exist.
See, there are different definitions for atheism. I imagine most people here are talking about the Christian, Muslim and whatever gods when they say they're atheists.
Personally, I'm either an atheist or an agnostic, depending on the definition. Atheist as in I know as surely as I can that the god of bible/qoran is bullshit, and agnostic in the sense that I do not know if there is a "godlike" being out there.
In this day and age, how many people do you think are "in the closet" atheists?
I don't think their sexual orientation has much bearing on the subject at hand.
Well, except that most every religion persecutes them which would lead to a higher number of "in the closet" athiests I suppose.
get my point across :D
No, these are just the definitions of the words:
Theism: Diety(ies) exist [absolute]
Atheism: Diety(ies) do not exist [absolute]
Agnosticism: Diety(ies) could exist
Essentially there's only three real beliefs: Yes, no or maybe. Everything else is simply dogma (seperating into various "different" religions and so forth).
Atheism is just as much a belief system as any given religion is. And its just as culturally influenced, too.That is also, by definition not true. "Not playing tennis" is not a sport, "being bald" is no haircolour and "not having sex" is not satisfying.
That is also, by definition not true. "Not playing tennis" is not a sport, "being bald" is no haircolour and "not having sex" is not satisfying.
:lol: Well put!
It's so refreshing to have someone actualy make sense for a change on these forums.
Atheism is NOT a religion. Quite the opposite: it's the absence of it. No 'leaps of faith' required. Thank god.
Taoism: Who gives a shit. :mrgreen:
"It is better to remain silent and be thought of fool that to open one's mouth and remove all doubt."
-Abraham Lincoln
With the high volume of 'non-believers' here, Agnostic and Atheism should be seperated... They're very different :|
Irony. :mrgreen: We established it was a troll thread long ago. Now we're discussing word definitions and ManOfWars closet and point.
Irony? Are you insulting me, good sir?
You don't see the Irony in using a quote by lincoln in a thread discussing religion? He discussed it quite often, with sometimes conflicting views.
In case of attack by religious zealots however I shield myself as a follower of Cthulu.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.
For one thing how can you ever respect someone that calls himself a satanist and yet is against rape, murder, child abuse, etc. Sorry, this is satan here, if anything those act should be praised and celebrated by the church of SATAN on high. for instance.
Your problem is:
You still believe the pathetic cliche of the christian religion which prejudices Satan as the evil in person- the pure opposite of the "good" God. You can be good or evil, but the Human nature who we Satanists call the personification "Satan" is hence not evil!
Thats just PURE cliche of the christians, because the beliefs in the Satanism are such different than theirs.
Respect our doings, not your belief what we do.
And one other thing:
Satanists are egocentric. Real responsible-minded Satanists never rape, murder or child abuse, because its bad for their esteem, familyharmony and conscience, because we hallow the nature and the living. Albeit the law resticts such bad things- as chriminals we couldnt live in satisfaction. Well unless you are a psychopath and would have fun at this.
Now im lost
Satan, Lucifer, Belial, Leviathan...its just a name. I speak of the thing behind the name- and thats the human nature.
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The problem is that "Satan" is a direct figure from christian religion. Taking said figure and title and rearranging things to suit your viewpoint isn't even legitimate or credible. Which only makes the whole thing even more laughable. If you're going to worship the lord of the fallen, then own up to it. Represent. Don't puss out in order to maintain some kind of moral defense. That's just pathetic imo. The way you, and other new age satanists describe it is like a bastardized form of wiccanism peppered with narcissistic celebration- Baltard would love it.
Satan is a title from christianity, so to use said title but rearrange the characteristics of said figure whimsically like you are is silly. It's like me saying I'm a Thor-ist (w/e) but changing Thor's mythos to that of Buddha. Or that I worship Cthulhu but saying that we believe he wishes to bring bunnies and rainbows to mankind. All credibility and integrity is lost. :rolleyes:
The way you describe him, Satan is a pussy.
Your problem is:
You still believe the pathetic cliche of the christian religion which prejudices Satan as the evil in person- the pure opposite of the "good" God. You can be good or evil, but the Human nature who we Satanists call the personification "Satan" is hence not evil!
Thats just PURE cliche of the christians, because the beliefs in the Satanism are such different than theirs.
Respect our doings, not your belief what we do.
And one other thing:
Satanists are egocentric. Real responsible-minded Satanists never rape, murder or child abuse, because its bad for their esteem, familyharmony and conscience, because we hallow the nature and the living. Albeit the law resticts such bad things- as chriminals we couldnt live in satisfaction. Well unless you are a psychopath and would have fun at this.
Edit: I feel I have the right to attack religions, I was forced to be scared from god when I was a child and then put into an totally elite catholic church school where people were molested left and right of me from priests, thank god I was lucky enough to skip the experience first hand
I lol'ed at this thread and didn't bother to read through 6 pages of internet dorks who think their opinion on the subject is worth a damn.
I'm an 'ex' muslim (Moroccan) - Alas, I've never believed in God and threw the fanatsy when I was 10 years old. Feels good man, seriously. Though, my parents are- especially Mum; She's super religious...
I don't say I'm an Atheist, I say I'm a human being, like my forefathers before me through thousands of years. They didn't need no gods when they were hunter and gatherer's and we don't need them now. It's pure made by the people, for the people... If you can't see it now...
Then you're fucking stupid.
We humans have an average life-span of 25 000 days, you can either spend it freely, or let a book made of ink and paper rules your life like a sheep.
Peace brothers.
@Thick: Why would you need to put faith in something? Trust is not needed. You won't come far, but it's possible.
Wildling just made my day.
It is not a science object: you can prove it exists so it's true; if you can't then it's false.
I don't say I'm an Atheist, I say I'm a human being, like my forefathers before me through thousands of years. They didn't need no gods when they were hunter and gatherer's and we don't need them now.
Then you're fucking stupid.
What? Regardless of whether you need gods or not, most of the historical and pre-historical evidence suggests that religion (in various forms) has always been around. Of course, so has atheism. Generally in the same proportion too - fewer atheists compared to religious people, as is the case today.
Circumcision is a horrible thing to do to a perfectly healthy baby. Have you seen parents piercing their baby's ears?Well in developed countries procedure doesn't hurt .
I understand if it's done for medical reasons or in adulthood... otherwise: no, no, no. :evil:
As for it's supposed preventive nature against STD's (like AIDS) I still don't think it's worth the procedure, especially in developed countries.
Science damn it! Why do you use such sacrilegious dishware? You have perfectly good tummies to eat from, and Science knows you shouldn't waste resources on dishware. In the name of Science, you are all infidels!
Non-Religious 61.1% We all gonna BURN in hell !!! :twisted:
Someone prove me that god exists. You cant because he doesnt! hahahaa..HAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
this is going to be interesting
Circumcision is a horrible thing to do to a perfectly healthy baby. Have you seen parents piercing their baby's ears?
I understand if it's done for medical reasons or in adulthood... otherwise: no, no, no. :evil:
As for it's supposed preventive nature against STD's (like AIDS) I still don't think it's worth the procedure, especially in developed countries.
Someone prove me that god exists. You cant because he doesnt! hahahaa..HAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
this is going to be interesting
Im wondering when people sit down and start to think "I will start a religion" and then writes a very long book, just saying.
Probably not, not even religious people will fall for that one.
If there were a god, would he wonder if there is someone above him - his own god?
If he does, that's hardly omnipotent.
If he doesn't, he's atheist.
If I were religious, that thought would worry me.
SillySunday question (somewhat serious, actually, because I was just thinking about this for some hours)
If there were a god, would he wonder if there is someone above him - his own god?
If he does, that's hardly omnipotent.
If he doesn't, he's atheist.
If I were religious, that thought would worry me.
Someone prove me that god exists. You cant because he doesnt! hahahaa..HAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA..this is going to be interestingcheck my sig ;)
Ah well, Jesus still existed and was a documented man that did live.
wow this thread is still kicking? lol!
because the time when religions were created, there were no governments to set up rules,
When your not face to face with a person, religion is always easy to talk about
No objective proof of god/gods = no reason to believe in god/gods. No, Bible nor Qu'ran nor Pali Canon nor Torah don't count. :V
Yes, I think Stephen Hawking has a respectable say in this for his scientific accomplishments. His quote about human consciousness as a sum of neurological connections and hormonal/electrical impulses is as far as we can get at this moment. Why make assumptions based on primite societies beliefs that were to satisfy human curiosity about the world?
If you didn't have a 'soul' before you were born why would you have one after death? Or do you now have to (Lord knows why...) rely on scientific knowledge about conception / psychology / whatever? :lol:
:shock:
What history did your professors teach?
Personally- agnostic atm, but I think really serious about chadzianity.
imo relligions are very good for communities- less murderers, rapers etc.
Atheism is only for mentally strong people, who don't need fictive friends and can handle the fact that we are nothing more than wiser monkeys- our lives don't mean more that lives of ants.
Or it's for people who like to take comfort in thinking that they have absolute control over their lives and enjoy the delusional "fact" that they are invincible and no one can possibly hurt them.
Yeh, if you think you have it all figured out, odds are you know nothing as you can't see past your own blind spots (assumptions), most of the atheists I've known make just as many assumptions as people believing in a faith, they really should be honest with themeselves and become agnostics and admit they don't know instead of saying they know for certain how the universe works from the extremely limited technolgical capabilities of science today that often leave more questions than answers. For all we know all religions could be correct, simply because we create our own gods with the collective consciousness of millions.
On another note:
Hail the rise of the Horned One, may his reign of terror last for 7 eternities..... jk
I say everyone should just follow the whirling dervishes of the sufi tradition, constantly singing poems about passionate love with God. Who wouldn't want a religion based on making love to God.
South Park Quote:
"but you boys sound like you REALLLLLY love Jesus."
I tend to follow a stoic philosophy as it pertains to religion; I don't know and I have no way of finding out, so stop worrying about it and just live your life the way you want to live it.
SillySunday question (somewhat serious, actually, because I was just thinking about this for some hours)
If there were a god, would he wonder if there is someone above him - his own god?
If he does, that's hardly omnipotent.
If he doesn't, he's atheist.
If I were religious, that thought would worry me.
Jedi.
:p
Jedi !
Your thinking is stuck in the box, you need to think outside of it. God wouldn't "wonder", think, or even know. These very terms are created by humans to help define our understanding. God is beyond these worldly definitions as he created knowledge himself. We as humans will never truly be able to define God as God is because we are bound by the laws that God created to govern our universe, laws like gravity.
Just as 2 dimensions can never truly interact with 3 dimensions, the painting with the painter, nor will we every truly interact with god, the created with the creator.
Why make assumptions based on primite societies beliefs that were to satisfy human curiosity about the world?
also, is it true the church or some religious authority declared a time where there are no longer Godly "divinitions" or messages from God? Like A.D 4453 to the present no more stuff like that?
THERE IS ONLY THE EMPEROR. HE IS OUR SHIELD AND PROTECTOR+1
THERE IS ONLY THE EMPEROR. HE IS OUR SHIELD AND PROTECTOR
: Everyone is a muslim, they just dont know it. - Safavid
So... everyone who is a muslim and admits it, does not know he is muslim. How does one then know you are muslim and how can you claim to be muslim if everyone is muslim without knowing it. I, I... I, hmm maybe I'm not muslim after all, or am I? Obviously I cannot know, but if I say I am I'd be lying cause no one knows. I'M CONFUSED.
Everyone is a Muslim, even without knowing it, because in Islam it's regarded as reverting...not converting. Everyone is considered born Muslim, they may just stray from the path a long the way. And if you are in another religion at some point, you revert, not convert.
Obviously if you are Muslim already, you know you are. That quote it more directed at the people who are atheists or of another religion.
Thought you'd know that :wink:
Science is the new religion and people follow it as blindly as they have followed its predecessors.
I miss safavid
Hahah yea i bet he would try to convert us by quoting the kuran or tell us how all other religions are inferion and shit, always funny :mrgreen:
I am a chadzianyeah, where is the chadzianity?
Don't think that Gnostic choice was there months ago when I voted Buddhist, but they're one in the same. Christianity tends toward the teaching of the Birth of the Soul, while Buddhism tends toward the teaching of the Death of the Ego. Science, Mysticism, Art, and Philosophy are the 4 pillars of human interest. I'm beating a dead horse here, but its worth saying again that things arent black and white in the world. Religion and spirituality have everything to do with physics, chemistry, endocrinology, anatomy and any other field of science we can think of, and vice versa. After internalizing and studying scripture for years on end, I honestly wish I balanced it with practical studies too. We should admire the people with all sorts of knowledge. We can theorize all day, but I don't even know how to change the oil in my car, and I throw like a girl. IRL I'm a 3/3 build, that's for sure.
.... oh, and circles are two dimensional.
I guess what it boils down to is if God exists, and he made everything, that would make us accountable to him. A notion that many can't accept. Just my personal belief.
The point being that the Bible simply stated the Earth was round at a time when most people thought it was flat, you cheeky little gnome. :wink:And my point is that circles are flat.(click to show/hide)
Khorin is right on that. A circle is no sphere.
The Bible doesn't state that the earth is flat, just to be clear.
Religion is baad, Mkaay?I guess it's "other cultural religion" or "magical discipline" :P
And i am truly offended that Asatro isnt on here, i believe in Tor and Oden!
I guess it's "other cultural religion" or "magical discipline" :P
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As the Lead Bleed of the Menstrual Monsoon [...]Stopped reading after that and kept laughing for the next 15 minutes :mrgreen:
Catholic
Catholic
Really? Or troll?
Yes really, ofc im not stupid to interpret the Bible literaly. It should be viewed metaphoricaly and in the light of the age it was written in
I am a Christian deist satanist agnostic atheist Buddhist who also participates and believes in Wiccan.
Ask me anything!
I am a Christian deist satanist agnostic atheist Buddhist who also participates and believes in Wiccan.
Ask me anything!
What is the meaning with life? Iyo
What's your sex life like?
Higgs particle has been found.
RELIGION IS DEAD.
Also, I believe in the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
Higgs particle has been found.
RELIGION IS DEAD.
Also, I believe in the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
I also believe in Higgism.No, believers state it is God himself. Scientists call it the 'god' particle because it gives things it's 'matter'.
It states that the particle actually IS god and we worship it.
Deal with it atheist scum.
No, believers state it is God himself. Scientists call it the 'god' particle because it gives things it's 'matter'.
I don't think this particle wrote the ten commandments or told Eve not to touch the apple. It's a particle, not a conscious being. So I'd say religion is fucked. But ofcourse believers will always try to convince themselves that it has to do with the oh so mighty god. (The allmighty God who never listens to any prayer and let's terrible things happen all over the world. But ofcourse, that is God's wrath for the sins of humans, right? It has a purpose! God wills it! And more shit like that)
No, religion has fucked human kind long enough, now it is time to fuck religion.
But you just keep praying to this God of yours.
@Kafein
Yes, well it isn't easy to understand. Hell, I don't even understand it all. But what I do understand is that this so called god particle is very important and can change the universe as we know it. Which is great, don't you think? More clarity on our universe. It never stops to amaze me how much me we do not know yet.
I do not understand. Why are you trolling in such a super serious thread?
Your attempt of mocking me is futile.
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Odin is a fucking NORSE GOD and would rip Satan's head off with his bear hands!True story
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Lol Lucifer kills Odin in Supernatural season 5. That was unrealistic. Lucifer is only an angel. Odin is a fucking NORSE GOD and would rip Satan's head off with his bear hands! That is the truth.
I also believe in Higgism.
It states that the particle actually IS god and we worship it.
Deal with it atheist scum.
I am pastafarian.
yes i want this pastafarian option to plz, also i think its pretty damn ignorent and cuntish to put judaism and islam / hindu and buddist in same boxes, it blatently shows youre a brainwashed christian, and its by default insulting the other religions.
Lol Lucifer kills Odin in Supernatural season 5. That was unrealistic. Lucifer is only an angel. Odin is a fucking NORSE GOD and would rip Satan's head off with his bear hands! That is the truth.
Anyone who says there is or isn't a God/Gods is a fool.Anyone who says "anyone who says there is or isn't a God/Gods is a fool" is a fool.
Anyone who says there is or isn't a God/Gods is a fool.
Anyone who says "anyone who says there is or isn't a God/Gods is a fool" is a fool.
Are those vodoo guys serious`? or just trollvoting?
Oh god, my Christian vote from when I was 16 and years of indoctrination still got the better of my common sense.
Oh god, my Christian vote from when I was 16 and years of indoctrination still got the better of my common sense.
Wait, what do you mean?
You did not have a religious upbringing?
I would argue fervently that a religious upbringing does not consistently imply religious indoctrination.
You did not have a religious upbringing?
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DEUS VULT
You could just say "atheists" without the "freethinking" part.
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No Voodoo no zombies. Voodoo is cool mang. Especially Voodoo 2 in SLI.
I will never be able to express my convictions emically; the society I am a subset of does not have any outlets for it. If I could ever find a way to participate in a different society's nature worship that fits my beliefs, I would not be truly integrated. My experience would be partially if not totally etic. The pale observer, always left outside the innermost circle of participation.
So I just go out in the woods and have quiet time alone. I drag boulders into a stone circle. Make music that nobody else will ever hear. No matter what, there is always the awful truth clawing in the back of my mind. I am alone in my beliefs, they are intensely personal and nobody else will ever understand exactly what I feel. Nobody will ever join me to dance this dance.
Am I a special snowflake or what, eh? What a loser. Also there is some drug use in there. I felt these things before adding bad medicine to the mix, but those experiences have only cemented my beliefs.
Voodoo is the work of satan
My parents grew up with different Christian denominations (both Catholic), but when I was a kid we only went to church for weddings and funerals. Instead of going to church on Sunday, we went to the great outdoors. Picnics, hiking, camping. Forests, swamps, mountains, beaches. Somewhere without other people. This wasn't a replacement for church, Sunday was just Saturday #2. They didn't push hippy shit on me. I didn't have a religious experience at a backwoods altar in the wilderness. Being alone out there in the wild just felt special. There are places where the term "breathtaking view" isn't a metaphor. Your heart skips a beat. The chorus of birds, frogs, and insects. Flower blooms for which no painter could do justice. The faint scent of things on the wind...Everything is alive.That's some Pocahontas shit, fam.
As a teen I stumbled across the term Pantheism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism) and was like "yo that's it that's what i feel." After reading into it, I realized it wasn't quite the right thing. The awe of nature's beauty is there, but that's it. There is too much thought and deliberation. Nature has no need to be explained. There is no reason it exists. It should be experienced at all costs. No book, no film, no game, can match it. No mere moneyed art. I can't put it in words, all I can tell you is to get out there and see.
I'm also totally into mythology and anthropology, and over the years that has given me an intense craving to "practice" some form of worship. Ritual veneration of nature. The problem is, I have no proper way to express this need. Compare the ideas of "emic" and "etic" research in anthropology:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emic_and_etic
I will never be able to express my convictions emically; the society I am a subset of does not have any outlets for it. If I could ever find a way to participate in a different society's nature worship that fits my beliefs, I would not be truly integrated. My experience would be partially if not totally etic. The pale observer, always left outside the innermost circle of participation.
So I just go out in the woods and have quiet time alone. I drag boulders into a stone circle. Make music that nobody else will ever hear. No matter what, there is always the awful truth clawing in the back of my mind. I am alone in my beliefs, they are intensely personal and nobody else will ever understand exactly what I feel. Nobody will ever join me to dance this dance.
Am I a special snowflake or what, eh? What a loser. Also there is some drug use in there. I felt these things before adding bad medicine to the mix, but those experiences have only cemented my beliefs.
You wanna say Mr Satan is a black person? That all black skinned fellows are inherently evil, is that what you want to say?
It's good to know I'm not "alone" in this matter.
lets start a cult
lets start a cult
USA needs Ted Cruz
lets start a cult
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Agnostics and Atheists should not be grouped together under the same category. That shit irks me!
Atheists are just as ridiculous as fundamental christians! :wink:
Agnostics are pompous asses who want to pretend like they are somehow the reasonable middle ground. First of all, you are either a carpenter or not a carpenter, if you are not a theist, then you are an atheist. Agnostics and atheists believe the exact same shit, namely, they are not theists based on what they know now. Agnostics just lie the burden of proof on the wrong end. If a god came cruising down from the sky on a golden cloud for all to see, I am pretty sure virtually all atheists would believe in him, save a few loonies of course. Does that make them agnostic now?
Actual certainty in any held belief is a pretty high bar, and it is pretty stupid to form a separate category on the lack thereof.
Agnostics and Atheists should not be grouped together under the same category. That shit irks me!Yeah, that's what all the kids who want to impress with their knowledge say after their first visit to Wikipedia page about atheism.
Atheists are just as ridiculous as fundamental christians! :wink:
But, to be fair, it really depends what brand of atheism and what brand of agnosticism we are talking about here. But there are definitely types that are in fact mutually exclusive.
Agnostics are pompous asses who want to pretend like they are somehow the reasonable middle ground. First of all, you are either a carpenter or not a carpenter, if you are not a theist, then you are an atheist. Agnostics and atheists believe the exact same shit, namely, they are not theists based on what they know now. Agnostics just lie the burden of proof on the wrong end. If a god came cruising down from the sky on a golden cloud for all to see, I am pretty sure virtually all atheists would believe in him, save a few loonies of course. Does that make them agnostic now?
Actual certainty in any held belief is a pretty high bar, and it is pretty stupid to form a separate category on the lack thereof.
Oh fuck off, Atheists hold a firm belief that there 100% is NO Gods what so ever
But in reality, who the fuck gives a shit? Nobody ACTUALLY knows if a God exists or not, it's pure speculation that a God exists in the first place, the only "evidence" we have is a book written by the so called son of God. And there are many more different versions of this for each religion. And overall, if a God/s did decide to show his/her face, what exactly would that change? It's not going to affect you much other than some people will be proved right, others wrong. Anything happening other than that is pure speculation, as we have absolutely no idea what God it would be, nor what it would do.
Oh fuck off, Atheists hold a firm belief that there 100% is NO Gods what so ever,No.
No, atheism is the absence of a belief in a deity. Nothing more. It's not a belief in and of itself.
I'm sure you don't go about it in that way concerning any other superstitious claims... "Do you believe that flying invisible unicorns float above your head when you sleep?" "I don't know..."
I would say "of course I don't believe such nonsense. Why would I?"
The question whether I can know it for a fact isn't important for me. The burden of proof is on the one making the positive claim.
As to what it would change if god proved himself existing: pretty much our whole understanding of the existence of the universe. Scientists would no longer look for natural reasons for stuff but could legitimately say "It was god". Hell, I would say anybody who would not be committing his whole life on worshipping that god would be out of his mind if the stuff they say about him is really true.
And btw: the bible wasn't written by Jesus if that's what you think. It's not even written by people who knew him.
You're an atheistKeep on saying that bud, doesn't change anything.
You all have a point, but what's the point of this discussion?Don't really know. Guess we all just have time to waste debating silly topics.
No need to be so pedantic, they're virtually the same thing absence of belief or belief that there isn't, they either way come down to the same base point, which is that "There are no Gods/Deities "You are being pedantic about the difference between agnostics and atheists. Not knowing whether there is a god and not having a belief in god comes down to the same base point, belief in a god is absent so you're an atheist.
No need to be so pedantic, they're virtually the same thing absence of belief or belief that there isn't, they either way come down to the same base point, which is that "There are no Gods/Deities "
but I do believe that we had to have come into this world somehow, and be it through the Big Bang or through creation of God, we'll never truly know, because we'll never know what caused the big bang. It could be a God, it could be something scientific.
You are being pedantic about the difference between agnostics and atheists. Not knowing whether there is a god and not having a belief in god comes down to the same base point, belief in a god is absent so you're an atheist.
Well, the one thing is the rejection of a claim while the other one is a claim of itself. I don't claim that there's no god, I just don't believe there is one.
Would I make the claim that there isn't one, then you would be right in accusing me of hypocricy.
Yes, and what I say to that is: I don't know. I have no idea to accept the notion of a supernatural origin as long as supernatural powers are not proven to exist in the first place.
I've come to terms with the fact that we will never know whether a God or Gods existed because each culture is so vast and has their own Gods, the Romans had their Gods, the Greeks had their Gods, Hinduism has their Gods. There are so many around that it will always be impossible to prove whether they exist without them showing their face/s.
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Well, we have a pretty good idea of how the Earth formed by natural means by now, so the God hypothesis isn't needed anymore. Creationists still invoke a god to have caused the Big Bang or created life because that's still a quite mysterious field for science for now.
I don't know why in this day and age you would even want to begin to think about an omnipotent, incredibly powerful and intelligent being to have created everything billions of years ago when there is no reason to expect that other than that humans in all of their history were used to the idea of things being created by them. It's just a projection and wishful thinking.
And of course nobody can satisfyingly say what created this god being in the first place. If the universe is too complex to have come about by naturalistic means wouldn't the same be true for an infinitely more complex god?
Agnostics are pompous asses who want to pretend like they are somehow the reasonable middle ground. First of all, you are either a carpenter or not a carpenter, if you are not a theist, then you are an atheist. Agnostics and atheists believe the exact same shit, namely, they are not theists based on what they know now. Agnostics just lie the burden of proof on the wrong end. If a god came cruising down from the sky on a golden cloud for all to see, I am pretty sure virtually all atheists would believe in him, save a few loonies of course. Does that make them agnostic now?
Actual certainty in any held belief is a pretty high bar, and it is pretty stupid to form a separate category on the lack thereof.
You are being pedantic about the difference between agnostics and atheists. Not knowing whether there is a god and not having a belief in god comes down to the same base point, belief in a god is absent so you're an atheist.
Show me one atheist who's not "agnostic."
Yeah, didn't think so. Pointless semantics debate.
This makes good sense imo. +1
No, agnostics just don't feel the need to go on about it, no desperate need for validation that there really is no God and that anyone who believes otherwise is deluded. Many atheists are pompous asses who have exactly that chronic need, the same insane desire to 'convert the masses' that extreme theists have.
I couln't care less about any religion as they just mean nothing to me.
Yeah, cause it's basically a quote from The god delusion by Richard Dawkins :wink: Still +1 :wink:
In case you being an atheist, will you convert/join religion when the time comes? To cover all options you know, in case bullshit they preach has any merit. Won't hurt you the slightest bit, if you really don't believe in God you know there's nothing after you die so being principal about things is stupid anyway. No one will care about your personal belief after you drop the bucket, you have only tiny chances to gain something. That's what smart person would do.
Only communists were brainwashed strong enough to be buried without them earning money for nothing robe wearing child molestors.
That prick will be first to take Jesus Savior into his heart on deathbed. Mark my words. Only communists were brainwashed strong enough to be buried without them earning money for nothing robe wearing child molestors.
An atheist can be considered agnostic if you force him to make proper logic reasoning, whereas he'll acknowledge that in fact you can't prove the existence or not of such entities. But in the end of the day his urge to deny such existence will always make of him an atheist, disregard the previous event, abandoning the mentioned logic train of thought.
Other than that, I believe it's pretty hypocritical to promptly deny the possibility of existence of such entities (atheism) with all the limitations we have to prove such, where the counterpart (theism), so far, is merely delusional, the perfect "scapegoat" when one cannot cope with reality and the fact that shit indeed tend to happen, there's a paraphernalia of events that can be triggered by chance, and this very definition scares the shit out of a "believer".
An atheist can be considered agnostic if you force him to make proper logic reasoning, whereas he'll acknowledge that in fact you can't prove the existence or not of such entities. But in the end of the day his urge to deny such existence will always make of him an atheist, disregard the previous event, abandoning the mentioned logic train of thought.Atheism: a lack of belief that god exists. No atheist "promptly denies the possibility of a godlike creature." Seriously, someone show me an atheist who does. I'm sure there'll be plenty of examples on the internet if they're not unicorns.
Other than that, I believe it's pretty hypocritical to promptly deny the possibility of existence of such entities (atheism) with all the limitations we have to prove such, where the counterpart (theism), so far, is merely delusional, the perfect "scapegoat" when one cannot cope with reality and the fact that shit indeed tend to happen, there's a paraphernalia of events that can be triggered by chance, and this very definition scares the shit out of a "believer".
Atheism: a lack of belief that god exists. No atheist "promptly denies the possibility of a godlike creature." Seriously, someone show me an atheist who does. I'm sure there'll be plenty of examples on the internet if they're not unicorns.
But there aren't any examples. It'd take a mentally ill person, and then that'd be the fault of that mental illness, not atheism.
I had a few friends who said that it's impossible for a god to exist. Other than that, I can't show you "examples on the internet" because I don't follow celebrities and other famous or well-known people.Why did they claim it was impossible?
Why did they claim it was impossible?One said that "before the beginning of the universe, there was no time for a god to exist". He was really smart, so I just left the topic or he'd start throwing even more smart words at my dull head.
One said that "before the beginning of the universe, there was no time for a god to exist". He was really smart, so I just left the topic or he'd start throwing even more smart words at my dull head.Neither of the things they said means they were the atheists I asked examples of. You didn't ask enough questions to find the true position of the first one, and the second says "there's no reason", not "it's impossible for anything godlike to exist", according to you.
The other one was your typical fedora atheist. He kept saying that there's absolutely no reason for anything supernatural to exist because, after all, such things are creations of mankind, not the other way around. But he was also raised by strict, catholic parents, so he might have been a little traumatized.
Rectum id bellum est coitus non.
An anus that hurts won't let a dick in.
-Socrates, 420 AD
I am pretty sure none of you agnostics use the methodology and standards you have used for the god hypothesis to decide your position on any other questions.Yes, because things would get real silly real fast if they did. "There is no money in my wallet, but I'm not necessarily saying that means the money doesn't exist, we just can't know that for sure, I keep an open mind, I'm prepared to face the fact that there is money in my wallet" and so on, ad infinitum. People just say "there's no money in my wallet", and yet there are no hipsters going "OMG BUT YOU CANT KNOW THAT FOR SURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IM WALLET MONEY AGNOSTIC!!!!!!!"
In case you being an atheist, will you convert/join religion when the time comes? To cover all options you know, in case bullshit they preach has any merit. Won't hurt you the slightest bit, if you really don't believe in God you know there's nothing after you die so being principal about things is stupid anyway. No one will care about your personal belief after you drop the bucket, you have only tiny chances to gain something. That's what smart person would do.
how do you convert an atheist to a religion?
you cause them brain damage with a sledgehammer to the face or something alike
You can open your wallet and have a look.You can look around the world and see there is no Abrahamic God. The 'hipster' can also look around the world and see that within the entirety of the world there is no Abrahamic God present.
Or remember opening your wallet and having a look recently. The 'hipster' can also lean over and see that within the entirety of your wallet there is no money present.
Not your best analogy.
No religions claim that the Abrahamic God is physically sitting somewhere on this planet for all to see.No peanuts claim they're made out of butter.
You can look around the world and see there is no Abrahamic God. The 'hipster' can also look around the world and see that within the entirety of the world there is no Abrahamic God present.
Not your best attempt at refuting what I said.
That's not how gods work. They reveal themselves only to a very few select individuals, unseen and unheard by anyone else, and make those individuals write things down or tell to others. As omnipotent as they are, there is no need to waste too much energy on speaking to everyone on their specific level of comprehension, but rather whisper vague, abstract and often ridiculously irrelevant things in an ear of a chosen man. Women are rarely worth wasting time on. Gods are too busy building round rocks in space, and make them spin around each other.That could be how some monies works too. We just can't know. Maybe they're invisible to some people, but reveal themselves to others? That's why I'm a money agnostic. Monaygnostic, if you will.
That's not how gods work. They reveal themselves only to a very few select individuals, unseen and unheard by anyone else, and make those individuals write things down or tell to others.
Day 420xD69: I'm fairly certain that Earth is a flat surface, because nothing suggests otherwise.I've got some bad news, buddy- you might be retarded. The roundness of Earth is observable with the naked eye.
I've got some bad news, buddy- you might be retarded. The roundness of Earth is observable with the naked eye.idk it seems pretty flat to me
I am pretty sure none of you agnostics use the methodology and standards you have used for the god hypothesis to decide your position on any other questions.Are you an idiot? Of course we don't. We're talking about whether a higher being exists, not whether I have a shoe on or not.
idk it seems pretty flat to me
I've got some bad news, buddy- you might be retarded. The roundness of Earth is observable with the naked eye.
I do say, for Gurgumul's benefit.
You don't say
I find it very interesting that nearly everyone discussing (or arguing, I suppose) these matters have a different working definition of God than myself.Because Abrahamic religions claim God is omnipotent and omniscient?
Why is God obligated to be omnipotent and omniscient? Why is God obligated to be alone in his role?
To me, a God is not obligated to be any of these things. To me, a God is an entity of significantly higher order than ourselves; with far greater power for creation and destruction than we have. A God is far removed from human-kind, yet not omnipotent and not omniscient.
Maybe semantics stemming from long, relatively global domination of Abhramic faiths locks most of us into thinking about the question of the existence of God(s) as having two answers; a single omnipotent/omniscient being (almost always benevolent to boot, something Gods are not obligated to be either), or a complete lack of divine presence.
Because Abrahamic religions claim God is omnipotent and omniscient?
That's what everyone is discussing, because those are the religions that are on the table when people talk about atheists and theists.
There is absolutely nothing to talk about if you start going on about "possible potential god like being maybe existing."
I truthfully didn't go through every little bit of text in this thread (Christ, it's gone on for ages!), so maybe I missed some key shit on why exactly the validity Abrahamic tradition is specifically in question.Abrahamic religions make very clear (and silly) claims about how things are. They're very popular. That's why they're the ones debated about.
Don't misunderstand; I'm not about to get a boner out of using the "LOL U CANT DISPROVE ANYTHING I MIGHT BE RIGHT SO YOU DONT WIN LOL" type of fallacy. I'm not saying ""hey man, just open your miiind you know, there are SO MANY things that might be out there, trippy riiight?" Ya might be seeing that, but it ain't what I'm attempting to say.
I'm attempting to share my own definition of a God that seems to be discarded out-of-hand by most folk. I'm not very vindictive about that either. Based on appearances (and hell, maybe reality as well), my beliefs are eccentric for eccentricity's sake. Special snowflake syndrome, you dig? Although I fervently hold my faith and beliefs, I will concede that I'm effective enough at self-deception to form an illusion of devotion to myself and others, just to be different.
I don't reckon its like that, though.
Abrahamic religions make very clear (and silly) claims about how things are. They're very popular. That's why they're the ones debated about.
What's the point of discussing the possibility of a Godlike being existing, when you make no claims or assumptions? So you're saying that to you, God is not omnipotent or omniscient, just a superpowered human. Okay, and then? What has this God done? What do you think you know and how do you think you know it?
I still don't understand what you're really getting at. What is the salient point? You've loosely defined what you think God is. That's all. Where are you going with this? You need to open up a bit more about your beliefs if you wish to find others with the same point of view as yourself.
As is evident, this isn't going anywhere. Sorry about that.It makes it hard to respond to you when you're not using insults and being rude. I don't know what to do.
Due to the nature of my beliefs, I am unfortunately ambiguous when sharing to people I don't know intimately.
I'll gladly concede to you that you likely hold beliefs with greater intellectual validity to them than I do. I've just been very able to find people in real life willing to discuss these issues respectfully and calmly, but unable to find many willing to participate in discussion outside of the prevailing dichotomy of Jehovah/YWHW/The Great I Am and complete inexistence of divine entity. Well, those and the flightly new-age beliefs vaguely based upon Jung's collective unconscious theory.
Regardless, thank you for responding.
It makes it hard to respond to you when you're not using insults and being rude. I don't know what to do.
Are you an idiot? Of course we don't. We're talking about whether a higher being exists, not whether I have a shoe on or not.Dictionaries are reference books of the languages we use, not the absolute guardians of all that is logical and sound. Just because many people like to use agnosticism to describe a certain thing, that does not make it a sound concept. That said, the definitions you posted do not actually interfere with my point, though a few are pretty crappy. I'll use two of the better definitions to explain:
The reason this methodology works is BECAUSE of the fact that WE DO NOT HAVE an answer to the question "Does a higher being exist?". I'm guessing you didn't bother reading the list of definitions that I so kindly gave to you. Might want to go take a look ;)
Also most religious people don't even live by the values their religion promotes and are fuckin fakes anyways.
But where do you draw the line? You can pick pretty much any religion and if you follow the "rules" 100% you will be an austere social outcast, walking on eggshells wherever you go. Living any religion strictly by the books would demand you drop everything else in your life. You know, like monks. But even monks can't 100% follow all the rules all the time. To do so would be inhuman.In Christianity, this is kind of the loose premise behind that Jesus thing.
rly makes u think...
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