As a pure polearm player.
NO, not polestagger!
Polearms are inferior to 2handers.I was about to write "Don't bring polestagger back or Panos would have to stop bitching about 2h"... but then I read his post :D
Slower, same damage, the lolstab can outreach swings, ghostrange, never bounce, histslashes.
I agree, with Gunri, polestagger was a total bullshit, but for mother of god, NERF 2HANDERS a bit.
Why? Elaborate pls :P
I was about to write "Don't bring polestagger back or Panos would have to stop bitching about 2h"... but then I read his post :D
2h is easier simply because they barely get weapon stunned and when they do their recovery is incredibly fast.Polearms gain a large weight bonus when blocking a hit, so they will undoubtedly be getting weapon stunned far less often.
If 2h is so extremely superior why are u playing poles? goes both for Idzo and Panos, stop being so righteous and stop playing victims instead respec and join the master race.
Regards,
2h my old friend Prpavi
Don`t nerf 2h swords, just give polethrust to all greatswords. Plain simpleLongsword and HBS are equally or even more OP. (Yes, that's why I am using one myself. :mrgreen:)
If 2h is so extremely superior why are u playing poles? goes both for Idzo and Panos
both lolstab and pole stab are equally broken and i find it quite amusing seeing this thread come from "pike the sky then drag it down for a HS with a pike" Izdo.
I play 2h Danish atm but i switch it up and ye i abuse lolstabmostly against annoying cav and have no bad feelings about it.
If 2h is so extremely superior why are u playing poles? goes both for Idzo and Panos, stop being so righteous and stop playing victims instead respec and join the master race.
If 2h is so extremely superior why are u playing poles? goes both for Idzo and Panos, stop being so righteous and stop playing victims instead respec and join the master race.
Polearms vs 2h is fine imo, but regardless off balance I completely agree with Gurni that polestagger was the most bullshit mechanics ever and they should not bring it back ever.
I really don't get why people are so annoyed with 2h's; they're the easiest class to fight :?
some great long axe spammers like tor (Not saying he is a bad player,
i find it quite amusing seeing this thread come from "pike the sky then drag it down for a HS with a pike" Izdo.
Tor
Definitely not a great player in my book.
There are minor issues with 2h I agree, but its nothing serius. I often get the feeling that Panos is over-dramatizing every time there is a discussion about 2h. He's always going into "PLEASE, SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!" mode. Its the animations that makes it the babies first c-rpg class. But its definately not as bad as it used to be. I am still very pleased with that patch that buffed 1h some time ago. It was needed and the difference is quite noticable imo.
But polearms? I dunno, I use the most usual polearm ever with my alt and I do alright. Not every class is ment for dueling people. Time to get over that "everyclassmustbeequalineverysinglewayever" understanding.
Once again balancing an entire class based on greatswords its dumb. Not all 2h are over powered by any stretch of the imagination.
Don`t nerf 2h swords, just give polethrust to all greatswords. Plain simple
Look at all those "great" players, all of them, have something to abuse, either lolstab, either hitslash, either ghostrange, and the list can go on and on.
Once again balancing an entire class based on greatswords its dumb. Not all 2h are over powered by any stretch of the imagination.
I consider myself average player,
I`m better than 90% of your clanmates.
Including you.
and I really find it annoying everytime a lower skilled player kills me, just because he is using a 2h.
Are you implying that there's nothing to shamelessly exploit about polearms ?
Are you going to tell me how fucked up glaive is ??
If yes, well done sherlock.
Glaive is shunned amongst polearmers, thats why u rarely see it on the battlefield.
I consider myself average player, and I really find it annoying everytime a lower skilled player kills me, just because he is using a 2h.What am I? Pro? Not even close. What getting killed by lowbies 1vs1? Or by getting ganked, in which case it is perfectly normal that someone with the longest pointy end gets the kill? Personally I dont share your experience. I appear to be getting killed by the same players I always do, nomatter what weapon they use. I have seen how some noobs to pick up 2hs, in which case I dont let it bother me and their arse still gets mounted on my noobplayertrophywall. Could it be that at those times you encounter le wild noob with 2h you just loose your cool and do stupid mistakes. Also some people with certain huge vendetta against 2h, will remember only those times they get killed by 2h, so they could use it later to fuel their hatespeeches.
The glaive is just the tip of the iceberg. All long 4D polearms are just as broken.
Can anyone explain what polestagger is please.
If all long 4d polearms are broken, pretty much all weapons in this game is broken.
Because there are some people who, still play the mod to have fun.
Don`t nerf 2h swords, just give polethrust to all greatswords. Plain simple
Why? Cause i prefer big axes. Simple. For same reason i wear Coat of Plates cuz i don't like any other armor.
If i want to get most out of my build and axe i would use completely different gear.
I wasn't righteous neither was playing victim, I was just asking for community's opinion. That's all.
I don't want any buffs nerfs or whatever. Not even polestagger. Just opinion. Cigane
Not sure about Idzo, but Panos plays polearm because he is seeking a challenge.
Did you ever have the chance to watch him on Nditions and witness how skilled he is?
I had.
On topic, I am not very familiar with 2h or polearm.
You also have 2h big axes but guess what they suck ass compared to axes in pole class and thats why u play polearms. right? so you still picked what is best for YOU and your style. get it?
The long stagger animation that sometimes happen when you get shot and lose control of your character for a longer period than usual. Was a 50 % chance to get staggered like that when you got hit by a polearm a (long) while back.
Nope. Not true. At least you know that... I spent shitload of time with you.
I'm gen 19, 15 of em i played as 2h. Last 2 i was cav and then pure poles till now where i added 3 shiled skill on lvl 34 so i can play hoplite.
I rly like poles more and thats why i played 2h all the time so i dont get bored on em soon.. for me takes ages to grind lvls..
Definitely not a great player in my book.Tor is one of the best players of this mod, he is right up there with Chase, Gurnisson and Blueberry Muffin. Sit down and show some respect.
Tor is one of the best players of this mod, he is right up there with Chase, Gurnisson and Blueberry Muffin. Sit down and show some respect.
@TeethI am not really whining though am I, I am just stating that: 1) Greatswords are versatile in battle, 2) Having access to a variety of weapon types is not a valid argument in a class balance thread, 3) 2h is very easy to use, 4) TOR!
polearm is a utility class.
you seem to be doing well with poles abusing stabs either as a hoplite or a piker. why whine?
2) Having access to a variety of weapon types is not a valid argument in a class balance thread
You use 1 weapon at a time, being able to use 12 different useful ones does not make a class any better at fighting a different class.
Of course it is, if we were talking about say poleaxe vs danish greatsword balance it would be a bad argument, but in a 2h vs polearm discussion you need to factor in everything about the classes. The fact that pole can effortlessly switch between the best cav, best support, best shield breakers and the best knockdown weapons is a huge factor in a class balance thread. Balance is not limited to 1 round of battle, balanced implies that overal the 2 weapon classes are equal.I simply disagree. So you think it is okay that a Danish is a better weapon than a Poleaxe (hypothetical scenario, calm your tits), because the Poleaxe user can spawn with a Long Spear next round? I think that is bullshit. Individually, weapons need to be balanced with eachother.
All you're saying is that versatility in weapon choice doesn't help you in a duel. cRPG isn't balanced around duels and as soon as there are more people involved versatility in weapon choice makes a huge impact.The duel was a mere illustration. All I am saying is that versatility in weapon choice does not matter for the individual player, because you can't take 14 polearms with you. You spawn with 1 polearm.
Of course it is, if we were talking about say poleaxe vs danish greatsword balance it would be a bad argument, but in a 2h vs polearm discussion you need to factor in everything about the classes. The fact that pole can effortlessly switch between the best cav, best support, best shield breakers and the best knockdown weapons is a huge factor in a class balance thread.Excuse me, but wtf are you smoking?
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Tor is one of the best players of this mod, he is right up there with Chase, Gurnisson and Blueberry Muffin. Sit down and show some respect.
Best support? Pikes or mauls are the main melee support weapons. Polearm got pikes, 2hs got mauls. Best support weapons title is evenly split between 2h and poles.
Best knockdown weapons? Considering knockdown chance is maxed at 30% and pretty much all knockdown weapons reaches that limit: there really is no way to designate a "best" knockdown weapon. Sure, the LONGEST knockdown weapons are polearm (Quarter Staff and Long Hafted Spiked Mace at 137&138
I simply disagree. So you think it is okay that a Danish is a better weapon than a Poleaxe (hypothetical scenario, calm your tits), because the Poleaxe user can spawn with a Long Spear next round? I think that is bullshit. Individually, weapons need to be balanced with eachother. The duel was a mere illustration. All I am saying is that versatility in weapon choice does not matter for the individual player, because you can't take 14 polearms with you. You spawn with 1 polearm.
Your 100 rounds of battle scenario is flawed. Imagine 1 player playing a 10000 rounds each with every (top tier) polearm, then the same player playing a 10000 rounds each with every (top tier) 2h. If within the class the results are equal = internal balance achieved, if polearm compared to 2h have equal results = class balance achieved. Having a wide variety of polearms to pick from does not affect the class balance here, and it doesn't in reality either.
Excuse me, but wtf are you smoking?
...And why aren't you sharing?
Best support? Pikes or mauls are the main melee support weapons. Polearm got pikes, 2hs got mauls. Best support weapons title is evenly split between 2h and poles.
Best shield breakers? That was true before, but with the massive buff to 2h axes 2h is just as good as polearms when it comes to shieldbreaking. More damage for only slightly shorter reach. Only time you want a polearm shieldbreaker over a 2h is if you want the really long, but really slow, ones like GLB. Also take note of the morningstar. A 2-slot shieldbreaker that is also the most damaging pierce weapon in the game. Not something to underestimate. 2h axes are also usable from horse, something polearm axes are not.
Best knockdown weapons? Considering knockdown chance is maxed at 30% and pretty much all knockdown weapons reaches that limit: there really is no way to designate a "best" knockdown weapon. Sure, the LONGEST knockdown weapons are polearm (Quarter Staff and Long Hafted Spiked Mace at 137&138), but the goedendag is pretty close after with it's 117 length and 2h animation bonus reach. You could also argue that 1h got the best knockdown weapons because they arefaster(scratch that, staffs are the fastest) and can be used with a shield. Then again, the biggest benefit with knockdown is the free hit, so the knockdown weapon with the most damage would also make sense to consider the "best" knockdown weapon, and the maul&mallet wins there.
I simply disagree. So you think it is okay that a Danish is a better weapon than a Poleaxe (hypothetical scenario, calm your tits), because the Poleaxe user can spawn with a Long Spear next round? I think that is bullshit. Individually, weapons need to be balanced with eachother.
The duel was a mere illustration. All I am saying is that versatility in weapon choice does not matter for the individual player, because you can't take 14 polearms with you. You spawn with 1 polearm.
Your 100 rounds of battle scenario is flawed. Imagine 1 player playing a 10000 rounds each with every (top tier) polearm, then the same player playing a 10000 rounds each with every (top tier) 2h. If within the class the results are equal = internal balance achieved, if polearm compared to 2h have equal results = class balance achieved. Having a wide variety of polearms to pick from does not affect the class balance here, and it doesn't in reality either.
Yes, 2h wins in an individual situation. Pole has a huge advantage in a group situation (the ones were the game is actually balanced around).
Also, polearms doesn't have access to the best cavalry weapons, that's the 1h class. 1h cavalry is better than lance cavalry.
Is it really that huge? The stab of the greatswords are a bit worse off compared to the dedicated support polearms in a mass melee scenario, while being a lot better for small 1v1 or when outnumbered. A greatsword is a much better weapon for group combat than say a poleaxe, just because of the ridiculousness of the 2h stab. Having been a pikeman for a long time, I've also found the urge to try out 2h in mass melee too, and the superiority of polearms is way exaggerated.
Also, polearms doesn't have access to the best cavalry weapons, that's the 1h class. 1h cavalry is better than lance cavalry.
I am not really whining though am I, I am just stating that: 1) Greatswords are versatile in battle, 2) Having access to a variety of weapon types is not a valid argument in a class balance thread, 3) 2h is very easy to use, 4) TOR!
Disagree on any of these points?
I don't think hoplite and piker are really the polearms we are discussing here, but for the record, ashwood pike is OP, longspear is balanced but is gay to play now, pike could use a considerable buff. I'd think we are rather comparing 4D polearms to two handers. 'Polearms are a utility class', well that is just bullshit. 4D polearms are general infantry weapons, just like 2h. I think the balance between these is quite okay, really. I'd just like to see that 2h would glance a little more when people do sloppy swings and not ignore buildings and teammates as much. So all the scrub mediocre 2h heroes wouldn't do as well as they do now because they play an easy mode class.
Is it really that huge? The stab of the greatswords are a bit worse off compared to the dedicated support polearms in a mass melee scenario, while being a lot better for small 1v1 or when outnumbered. A greatsword is a much better weapon for group combat than say a poleaxe, just because of the ridiculousness of the 2h stab. Having been a pikeman for a long time, I've also found the urge to try out 2h in mass melee too, and the superiority of polearms is way exaggerated.
Also, polearms doesn't have access to the best cavalry weapons, that's the 1h class. 1h cavalry is better than lance cavalry.
2h cav pisses all over inferior scrublord 1h cav.
I disagree, I'd say greatswords are a lot worse off. I'd rather face 2 greatswords users than a pikeman+any other melee. I think the greatswords vs poleaxes are more closely balanced. Greatswords have the ridiculous stab and slightly more range on slashes (I think), poleaxes have shieldbreaking or knockdown and more base damage (in cut mode, not sure what the secondary mode's stats are). Getting knocked down in group combat can be extremely deadly.
As to cav, I ignored 1hs because the thread said polearm vs 2h. Between those 2 there is no debate which has the beter cav weapons.
I agree that a group of 2her will get the shit beaten out of them by a group of polearmers.
Teamplaying with a poleaxe is one the hardest things to do, 1/2 of the time you are killing teamates, simply because the stab is useless on it compared to the greatsword. With this in mind you either have to side swing which is not ideal for group combat or use the overhead which makes you vulnerable.
Did you really just say that?
2h is a lot easier to use. Every strat battle I see people with morningstars run into a crowd and swing it around, sometimes getting like 5 kills. Then I decide to try it with my bec de corbin, glance, glance, glance, glance. 2h gets stuck less and 2h does not glance at shitty angles. Ever wondered why every mediocre player on siege uses a 2h? Because spamming LMB with it is oh so darn succesful.
Tor is one of the best players of this mod, he is right up there with Chase, Gurnisson and Blueberry Muffin. Sit down and show some respect.
Okay. You speak a lot about theory. Lets take last strat battle. Absolutely best KDs on their sides and both in top3 by kills. Guess what classes? Polearmers, if you want to specify - long spear users.
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Nothing to say that Strudog spent 1/3 of the battle inside of the village protecting spawn from cav.
pretty ballanced it seems :rolleyes:
Most people here said, that polearms are dominant on battles
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Dave, show the whole truth at least.
Mauwits, Burak and Phase, top the scoreboard.
In top 3 medium KD of a 2hander is 2.0, polearms 2.4. Also Burak was using Great Maul all the time, camping in the small breach killing charging enemies. My last 5 gens were 2 polearm gens, 1 2h gen, 2 shielder gens. Polearmer was so adorable. Why do you even play polearms if you don't like it or think its underpowered? All items definitely need tweaking but saying that some certain classes are underpowered - it's just wrong.
Because there are some people who, still play the mod to have fun.
Looks like you're not having much fun with your choice, maybe try switching it up :wink:
Indeed, maybe I should buy a kuyak and a 2h sword, and start abusing broken game mechanics endlessly , oh boy, that sounds like fun to me.
Don`t nerf 2h swords, just give polethrust to all greatswords. Plain simpleif you do this you should just remove them and place them into polearm WPF, plz think before you make stupid thoughts
if you do this you should just remove them and place them into polearm WPF, plz think before you make stupid thoughts
Moron, flamberge thrust doesnt require pole WPF.nope but if you remove 2H trust from greatswords why the hell would anyone want to be 2H cause then polearm is way better and the stab is what makes the difference
Indeed, maybe I should buy a kuyak and a 2h sword, and start abusing broken game mechanics endlessly , oh boy, that sounds like fun to me.
so u never abused a mechanic in this game? you didn't stunlock people and spammed the shit out of them before they removed the pole stun? bitch please...
Longspears can kill people on point blank, isn't it broken game mechanic? Pretty much all polearms are using broken game mechanics because native warband wasn't made for long polearms (from which we have the majority) that's why you can deal shitloads of damage on point blank while you actually hit with a wooden part of your weapon. This game is just broken overall, you have to deal with it.
Also you have to deal with the fact that none of QQ threads had any success. If you want to change something - you go make a detailed plan how to fix it. Otherwise it's just a pile of whine with tears.
Stunlock was the only thing that could counter the lolstab, and it got removed like a year ago, while on the other hand, the lolstab is still here.
So you think it is okay that a Danish is a better weapon than a Poleaxe (hypothetical scenario, calm your tits)
yea because shield breaker knockdown hores rear 0.7(0.9 when loomed) weight more and 6 dmg more on stab dosen't matterFuck Bobby, I even said that it was a hypothetical scenario, because I knew something was going to derp about it, and still.
but hey you right because "2hender" can pick up greate axe or barmace next round(click to show/hide)
You're using individual examples to make your argument for class balance, that just doesn't work. Of course it's not ok that a danish is better than a poleaxe because a poleaxe user can spawn with a long spear next round. But that situation is absolutely meaningless, because actual servers have a wide array of different classes and different weapons. Then the situation becomes greatswords, great maul, longsword/hbs and whatever 2h cav prefers to use vs poleaxes, GLA, bec, glaive, pikes, long maul, all the hoplite weapons and the lances. AKA best dueling weapons, best crushthrough and crappy cav weapons vs some rather good dueling weapons, best support weapons (by far), far beter 1h/shield choice, second best crushthrough (isn't saying much, but still) and the best cav weapons.Balance is in fact based on what one individual can do with one weapon, this is weapon balance. Class balance is the same thing, but then bigger. I am just going to explain step by step how I think balancing is done and should be done and I wonder where I lose you.
Yes, 2h wins in an individual situation. Pole has a huge advantage in a group situation (the ones were the game is actually balanced around).
Care to explain why it is flawed? Your example is flawed, simply because you again assume cRPG is balanced around one person. It isn't. You can't talk about class balance and then use 1 person as an example. 1 person just isn't a good representative of the class! Class balance is about the balance of the class vs the rest of the classes. You can't just take 1 person from each class, see how they match up to each and call it balanced/unbalanced based on that.
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Dave, show the whole truth at least.
Mauwits, Burak and Phase, top the scoreboard.
Okay. You speak a lot about theory. Lets take last strat battle. Absolutely best KDs on their sides and both in top3 by kills. Guess what classes? Polearmers, if you want to specify - long spear users.Hah, classic. You want to be an item balancer and you take Strat battles as your reference?
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Nothing to say that Strudog spent 1/3 of the battle inside of the village protecting spawn from cav.
Polearms are inferior to 2handers.
Slower, same damage, the lolstab can outreach swings, ghostrange, never bounce, histslashes.
I agree, with Gunri, polestagger was a total bullshit, but for mother of god, NERF 2HANDERS a bit.
Hah, classic. You want to be an item balancer and you take Strat battles as your reference?
It is true, long stabby weapons, whether it's a Pike, Longspear or a hoplite weapon, are the undisputed kings of Strategus field and village battles. Why? Simple, they are the best support weapons and because of constant respawns, there is simply always someone to support, which allows you to use the weapon in an environment that maximizes its efficiency for one and a half hour straight. Ever tried playing an offensive ladder siege with a Longspear though, without actually gaining a foothold? They get outshined by far by Steel Picks, Morningstars and Great Mauls, and that is why you don't use Strategus scores as a balance argument.
Oh my god DaveUKR got 60-0 in Strat with an Arbalest, OP, nurf.
I´d really like to respec to 2h my old friend and you show how easy it is in duels and stuff ... but nope, i want something more challenging ;)Hoplite in transitional armour?
Hoplite in transitional armour?
I´d really like to respec to 2h my old friend and you show how easy it is in duels and stuff ... but nope, i want something more challenging ;)
Wait don't you run around in lordly transitional armor and abuse awlpike lolstab? :P
hihi u polearmers are so hipster :mrgreen:
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Prpavi i think you are the only player that makes 2h look crap, oh and Harddrada too
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After you get on an higher level you automatically use better stuff cause you can survive their upkeep, and yes. But still 2h is fucking easy, everybody can handle it, and with some little tricks like abusing the animation, shaking/wiggling around abit .... spinning, stuff like that its very easy.
ezzzzzzzzzz brah ezzzzzzzzzzzzzz 1 direction insta stab way harder man
Just for battle :-D
This is weapon balance, although an ideal scenario that is impossible to even get close to, I know for a fact that this is how it is done.Just curious, but how do you know this? I always assumed the balance team worked more on gut feeling than anything else.
That coming from a Templar is adorable , let me adopt it! geez!
2hander haz the hardest blockstun on stab
Wut? Who are you and what are you saying?
Wut? Who are you and what are you saying?I said Templars are cute , and I want to adopt one.
I´d really like to respec to 2h my old friend and you show how easy it is in duels and stuff ... but nope, i want something more challenging ;)
Why so much hate against my post :-D?Congratulations on doing well in heavy armour and with a claymore in Siege , this definatly changes my mind . Yep 2handers are definatly way better than Polearms.(click to show/hide)
Congratulations on doing well in heavy armour and with a claymore in Siege , this definatly changes my mind . Yep 2handers are definatly way better than Polearms.
he used an awlpike...
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Just curious, but how do you know this? I always assumed the balance team worked more on gut feeling than anything else.Well, although the balancing is imperfect, they do in fact do very small tweaks to make sure that every class has different viable options, not just one weapon that is clearly the best. Like the things they did with 2h, I do not say that they were all good, but they seemed to be doing very small balance tweaks to balance strong weapons with other weapons. Imperfect as their efforts may be, the intention looks like tweaking to make every weapon comparably viable.
Just curious, but how do you know this? I always assumed the balance team worked more on gut feeling than anything else.Thanks for having read the wall of text attentively, appreciate it.
You make a persuasive argument teeth, but I'm still not completely convinced. I still disagree with talking about class balance from an individuals perspective. According to your scenario in a perfectly balanced cRPG the lances should perform equally well as the 2h cav weapons. In reality that just isn't the case, you'd presumably call this bad balance. I call this polearms having the advantage of weapon variety. Same thing with pikes/hoplites vs mauls. And that's why 2hs deserve the advantage of having the best dueling weapons. It's compensation for their lack of effectiveness in other areas. Sure that's doesn't help the guy with a poleaxe facing a greatsword, but that does help the class when it's not about an individual. As soon as you add more people to the equation it becomes balanced. 2hs have advantages in one area, polearms in others, averaging out to "balanced"
Your view of internal and class balance is certainly interesting and in a perfect world it might actually work. In reality it just has to many flaws to a be a practical approach to balancing. As an example how would you ever balance the lances vs 2h cav weapons? I can't see a way to ever achieve a good balance between those 2. In your view that's unbalanced, in my view it's fine as long as 2hs are compensated in some other area. It might be unbalanced from an individuals perspective, but not from a class (as in lot's of people) perspective.
Well, although the balancing is imperfect, they do in fact do very small tweaks to make sure that every class has different viable options, not just one weapon that is clearly the best. Like the things they did with 2h, I do not say that they were all good, but they seemed to be doing very small balance tweaks to balance strong weapons with other weapons. Imperfect as their efforts may be, the intention looks like tweaking to make every weapon comparably viable.Agree to disagree sounds funny.
Thanks for having read the wall of text attentively, appreciate it.
They way I described I think balance works is ideal which is not feasible to fully realise and there are actually exceptions, but I couldn't write that all out. I do indeed think that 2h should be as viable as lancer cav and so on. I disagree with you that when one class is strongest in a certain weapon type, it is okay because a different weapon type is weaker. I'd rather have all weapons to be equally viable. But I guess that is just a point we'll have to agree to disagree on.
Because it was the most fucked up mechanic ever. It still annoys me that ranged weapons have it, but it was worse on polearms. For almost every second hit you could get a free hit to boot, that was impossible for the enemy to defend. How is that not bullshit? I loved either making one-shots to the face with my old long awlpike or hitting them once to the body and getting a free face stab afterwards, pretty much always grabbing a kill every time I made a hit. However, I was one of the first to admit how broken it was and I wanted it gone. It was overpowered.+1
Quite a bit of failed reasoning going on in this thread. Here's a little hint though, 2h will practically always be the most used because it's the most popular outside of video games. Why weren't there lightsabers mimicking other fighting styles until the 4th star wars movie(in order of release)? Because Holywood.
lol what?
how did we get to Star Wars and Hollywood in a nerf 2h topic.
gotta love these forums!
Quite a bit of failed reasoning going on in this thread.Oh man the irony.
No i didnt oo" Look at the picture, i cant photoshop that good! :-Dpick up 2H make screen say you all did it with the 2H ....
Jarlek got mad at my pro lobbying skills.Name one.
Thanks 2h alt, doing more kills than the rest of my 20 man team :lol:
Also continuous x5 during 4 maps.
Do 1h cav instead. Constant x5 and easiest valour ever. The 7 ps 1h cav build (below) with a heavy horse is game-breaking! :D(click to show/hide)
Do 1h cav instead. Constant x5 and easiest valour ever. The 7 ps 1h cav build (below) with a heavy horse is game-breaking! :D(click to show/hide)
so if we go back to the actual topic...
2H stab beats polearm 4D weapons stab
polearm 2D/1D stab beats 2H stab
i gues balanced but he 2H OP right so why arguing ....
The thing is that 2h stab, outreaches polearm swings aswell, what`s the point of having a BIG POLEARM, if you get outreached by a stab??with good footwork and the right distance you can let the 2H get the stab stun and you can step in and swing
lolstab is clearly the most broken animation of this game.
with good footwork and the right distance you can let the 2H get the stab stun and you can step in and swing
got to say its easier to use the 2H stab then use the good footwork
or panos could stop saying nerf, fix or remove the lolstab... :wink:
or the devs could just fix the lolstab :rolleyes:
can you give a good solution for that or only give the polearm stab...
well the range should stay in my opinion but you shouldnt be able to stab at facehug distance aswel (same for longspear and hOPlite)
2H stab beats polearm 4D weapons stabNow I think balance is fine, but this reasoning is rather flawed in my opinion. You state that 2D/1D polearms beat 2h stabs. These weapons basically only have one good attack, their stab. Giving up the other attacks is what it takes to beat the 2h stab, while 2h has 3 other amazing 40c directions as well as having an awesome stab.
polearm 2D/1D stab beats 2H stab
i gues balanced
Now I think balance is fine, but this reasoning is rather flawed in my opinion. You state that 2D/1D polearms beat 2h stabs. These weapons basically only have one good attack, their stab. Giving up the other attacks is what it takes to beat the 2h stab, while 2h has 3 other amazing 40c directions as well as having an awesome stab.maybe but if you would give glaive a 2H stab range and those other long ones then there is no reason to use 2H cause polearm has the length on the swing and the stab the thing that makes the difference at this point is that 2H stab is longer and polearm swing is longer and you can decide wat you want and ofcourse you could use the longspear or pike to stab the 2H in da face
so actually just make it useless so polearm can be OP are you here for the balance or just to NERF 2H and make polearm OP?
increase the bounce chance A LOT , decrease the retarded speed bonus, even when you backpedal, you get speed bonus, and a small nerf to the damage.
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Have Tydeus to make new animatoons :lol:
maybe but if you would give glaive a 2H stab range and those other long ones then there is no reason to use 2H cause polearm has the length on the swing and the stab the thing that makes the difference at this point is that 2H stab is longer and polearm swing is longer and you can decide wat you want and ofcourse you could use the longspear or pike to stab the 2H in da face
oh nice logic there buddy, stop playing your favourite class, so you can counter a broken game mechanic.it aint broken you only listen if there is a NERF 2H NERF 2H retard
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it aint broken you only listen if there is a NERF 2H NERF 2H retard
well NERF 2H break the game i dont give a fuck
no buddy, this is where you are wrong.keep telling yourself that mate
Game is already broken due to the lobbyism made by 2handers.
Throwing, Archery, Xbows, Polearms, Lancers
All of those classes got HUGE nerfs over the last patches, and yet, 2h class is the one who keeps getting away with murder everyday.
The katana has 27p (MW) on the stab
The only problem with the 2h stab as I see it is that the animation seems far longer active than the others, while being able to dish out good damage at any given point in the animation. The length is fine, damage is fine, but the fact that you can both instastab for full damage and hit someone while retracting your sword at the end of the animation for full damage as well is weird. Polestab and 1h stab is both less forgiving, with a much smaller window to make a successful stab.i totally agree
The length is what seperates it from the polearms and it shouldn't be made a polearm stab.
The only problem with the 2h stab as I see it is that the animation seems far longer active than the others, while being able to dish out good damage at any given point in the animation. The length is fine, damage is fine, but the fact that you can both instastab for full damage and hit someone while retracting your sword at the end of the animation for full damage as well is weird. Polestab and 1h stab is both less forgiving, with a much smaller window to make a successful stab.Exactly. Polearm stab used to be short but fast and 2h stab used to be long but slow. That was fine, but since they broke all the stabs in the game, 2h stabs can hit early in the animation as easy as polearms. Which makes the polearm stab short but fast and the 2h stab long and fast. This is a problem in my opinion. Then there is the extremely long active animation which you can walk into someone like it has 200 reach, which makes it gain enormous speed bonus as well and do a shit ton of damage.
The length is what seperates it from the polearms and it shouldn't be made a polearm stab.
I love when people cry about lobbyists while demanding nerfs for an entire class based one a single animation. Fix the stab animation and maybe that'll be the end of it.Yeah. Non-stab 2handers like miaodao really sucks. War cleaver, nodachi and barmace is also pretty bad. Same with morningstar, the bardiches and axes and the mauls.
The fact that this thread suggests a class wide imbalance while it ignores the fact that half of the 2h weapons don't have a stab shows that this lobbying is as narrow minded as any I've seen before.
Yeah. Non-stab 2handers like miaodao really sucks. War cleaver, nodachi and barmace is also pretty bad. Same with morningstar, the bardiches and axes and the mauls.yeah they are so pro they will kill all polearm players without any skill just swing cause they are longer and faster(click to show/hide)
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Ok ur correct now to solve ur problem...
...go play something else but then again u'll probably find something there that's OP :wink: :mrgreen:
This kinda reminds me of BF3 and the M16A3 story... :P
oh shut up already.No its not, its perfectly legit, now that I can stick my fist in their assholes while I hammer them with my butterknife. :twisted: All hail the mighty nudge!
You fucking 2h wankers get on my nervrs really.
lolstab is retarded, stop being in denial.
oh shut up already.
You fucking 2h wankers get on my nervrs really.
lolstab is retarded, stop being in denial.
The 2H v. Polearm debate can be summed up in these few minutes:Poles still don't have nudges.
can you give a good solution for that or only give the polearm stab...
well the range should stay in my opinion but you shouldnt be able to stab at facehug distance aswel (same for longspear and hOPlite)
bunch of fucking cry babies
wow really??
Since when you turned out to be such a douche..
I guess everyone changes.
wow really??
Since when you turned out to be such a douche..
I guess everyone changes.
this thread has the worst english skills in all of the forums, judging from the last 3 pages. that's 2hand balance talk for youwy ar yu beng so rute too uz :(
dear Panos i'm not a douche it's just i cant stand this shit, buff this nerf that, this class is op this class is for shit and so on, just relax and play the fucking game...how many times it happened to me that i thought i was a victim of a op retarded class or a really op weappon and all those archers that i hate so much and so on, but guess what i never cry on the forums because its retarded like some little girls i just play on or i quit its that simple.EYECANCER!!!
EYECANCER!!!