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Re: Polearms vs Two handers
« Reply #45 on: May 16, 2013, 07:43:33 pm »
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ì say in general polearms are better, specially because eazyer hiltslash and animation, short 2handers better for duals thow, (longsword, heavy bastard).
also tor is bestes, he chambers kicks, hiltslashes, blocks, has great awareness , and is a boss in general
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Re: Polearms vs Two handers
« Reply #46 on: May 16, 2013, 07:44:56 pm »
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Realised it wouldn´t take long before Tor fanboys started showing up.
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Re: Polearms vs Two handers
« Reply #47 on: May 16, 2013, 08:03:27 pm »
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tbh, I can't say that 2h is that superior to polearms. Polearms give to their bearers much more advantages, features and diversity than you imagine. Polеstun was one of them, but stupid. As a masterwork whore I could afford myself any of polearms when I was playing a polearmer and it was great. Want to teamplay? Okay, I've got shield skill and ashwood pike = great hoplite. Want to camp ruins, protect archers from cav, make LOLWTF kills? I've got longspear, good class. Want to take part in clusterfuck and 1hit tincans? Bec de Corbin comes to save your day. Wanna get shielders? Poleaxe, okay. And so on.

Classes are not bad. Some items are just broken. In my opinion, all the bastard swords should be much weaker and be 1 slot, longsword has to be longer, much slower and not be a bastard sword.

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Re: Polearms vs Two handers
« Reply #48 on: May 16, 2013, 08:11:09 pm »
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I agree, poles are worse than 2H; but as you said polearms are versatile: hoplite, piker and pure polearm, while 2H doesn't have so many alternatives. This is good enough, as a polearm user i don't think they need any kind of buff, but 2H stab totally needs a nerf, that's what i think.
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Re: Polearms vs Two handers
« Reply #49 on: May 16, 2013, 08:30:50 pm »
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The glaive is just the tip of the iceberg. All long 4D polearms are just as broken.

If all long 4d polearms are broken, pretty much all weapons in this game is broken.

Can anyone explain what polestagger is please.

The long stagger animation that sometimes happen when you get shot and lose control of your character for a longer period than usual. Was a 50 % chance to get staggered like that when you got hit by a polearm a (long) while back.
I voted Gurnisson cause of his fucking bendy pike, I swear noone can roflcopter stab like he can.

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Re: Polearms vs Two handers
« Reply #50 on: May 16, 2013, 08:53:16 pm »
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If all long 4d polearms are broken, pretty much all weapons in this game is broken.

Long weapons are weird anyway because the game wasn't made counting that the tip of a longer weapon moves faster given the same speed rating. But what is really broken with long 4D polearms is the hiltslashing and the frame skipping in animations. I can chamberblock 1h and 2h just fine, even sometimes held swings and stabs if I have good ping. Polearms ? No way. And I'm not the only one. You never had a pole guy hold a (typically right) swing, then when he releases, swing and complete the animation basically instantly (we talking a handful of frames) ? This with any angle or weapon I should add. I can block "slow" 1h and 2h sideswings based on the moment they release, doing that with "slow" polearms most often just doesn't work, unless their angle is really really bad.

I wouldn't say this is more than a minor concern though, at least because not so many people use polearms to begin with.

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Re: Polearms vs Two handers
« Reply #51 on: May 16, 2013, 09:03:52 pm »
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Because there are some people who, still play the mod to have fun.

Don`t nerf 2h swords, just give polethrust to all greatswords. Plain simple


I have fun too. Fun is subjective though, you and I play melee classes and try to help your team by slaying as much people as possible. We play to win in the end, yes?
Some other players think fun is playing a HX and delaying the rounds. to me that is griefing to them it's lolz...

I think the problem is you want 2h and polearm to be equal. Yet they never were and never will be. 2h is a main slayer class of this game and will always be due to the nature of Greatswords and the animations. Period. but that is all 2h is good at at the moment duels, not even clusterfucks as before but it still does well there.

Polearm class is so much more veristile, when balancing this class you need to consider: pikers, hoplites, poleaxe, axe users. When you say 2h you only think of Greatswords and Bastard swords, you used to have maulers too but guess what that class is unplayable (i guess because they buffed 2h) and it's so much easier to play hoplite/1h shielder without crushtrough now. blunt/crushtrough 2h are crap. your only choice is to take a sword and slay. you should try different weapons and appreciate the diversitiy ur class gives you.

Bottom line, why do u use ur Bardiche, im sure it's not because the weapon sucks, it has it's advantages and at the end of the day u play to kill as much players as possible like i do and get that multi. If you want a hero class play 2h, if you want to duel well take bec/glaive/lhb, don't be stubborn with ur bardiche if it ain't doing the trick.


Why? Cause i prefer big axes. Simple. For same reason i wear Coat of Plates cuz i don't like any other armor.
If i want to get most out of my build and axe i would use completely different gear.

I wasn't righteous neither was playing victim, I was just asking for community's opinion. That's all.
I don't want any buffs nerfs or whatever. Not even polestagger. Just opinion. Cigane

You also have 2h big axes but guess what they suck ass compared to axes in pole class and thats why u play polearms. right? so you still picked what is best for YOU and your style. get it?




Not sure about Idzo, but Panos plays polearm because he is seeking a challenge.

Did you ever have the chance to watch him on Nditions and witness how skilled he is?
I had.

On topic, I am not very familiar with 2h or polearm.

And who the fuck are you? the attorney of Panos? do u know him and I have been in a clan 2 years ago, duelled many times and yes i know very well his skill level. guess u don't but it feels goo to be a smartass don't it?

bolded part: why do u comment if you don't know the main subject of this topic? oh i forgot, you like to be a smartass.
And now he can't play because of "common sense" and he doesn't understand how this common sense works
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Re: Polearms vs Two handers
« Reply #52 on: May 16, 2013, 10:20:21 pm »
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You also have 2h big axes but guess what they suck ass compared to axes in pole class and thats why u play polearms. right? so you still picked what is best for YOU and your style. get it?


Nope. Not true. At least you know that... I spent shitload of time with you.
I'm gen 19, 15 of em i played as 2h. Last 2 i was cav and then pure poles till now where i added 3 shiled skill on lvl 34 so i can play hoplite.
I rly like poles more and thats why i played 2h all the time so i dont get bored on em soon.. for me takes ages to grind lvls..
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Re: Polearms vs Two handers
« Reply #53 on: May 16, 2013, 10:22:33 pm »
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The long stagger animation that sometimes happen when you get shot and lose control of your character for a longer period than usual. Was a 50 % chance to get staggered like that when you got hit by a polearm a (long) while back.

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Re: Polearms vs Two handers
« Reply #54 on: May 16, 2013, 10:23:36 pm »
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Re: Polearms vs Two handers
« Reply #55 on: May 16, 2013, 10:40:57 pm »
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Nope. Not true. At least you know that... I spent shitload of time with you.
I'm gen 19, 15 of em i played as 2h. Last 2 i was cav and then pure poles till now where i added 3 shiled skill on lvl 34 so i can play hoplite.
I rly like poles more and thats why i played 2h all the time so i dont get bored on em soon.. for me takes ages to grind lvls..

I seem to always remember you as polearm O.o (must be the weed  :mrgreen:)

And now he can't play because of "common sense" and he doesn't understand how this common sense works
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Re: Polearms vs Two handers
« Reply #56 on: May 16, 2013, 11:07:15 pm »
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What makes greatswords such good battle weapons is that aside from 40c swings you also get a stab the length of an awlpike for anti cav and support. Which makes it incredibly versatile.

I love how almost all of you use versatility as a balance argument for polearms instead. This is a fallacy, because what good does it do me that I can use a longspear, a poleaxe and lances when I meet a Danish user in the field with my trusty German Poleaxe. How does it in any way help me beat him? You use 1 weapon at a time, being able to use 12 different useful ones does not make a class any better at fighting a different class.

2h is a lot easier to use. Every strat battle I see people with morningstars run into a crowd and swing it around, sometimes getting like 5 kills. Then I decide to try it with my bec de corbin, glance, glance, glance, glance. 2h gets stuck less and 2h does not glance at shitty angles. Ever wondered why every mediocre player on siege uses a 2h? Because spamming LMB with it is oh so darn succesful.

Definitely not a great player in my book.
Tor is one of the best players of this mod, he is right up there with Chase, Gurnisson and Blueberry Muffin. Sit down and show some respect.
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Re: Polearms vs Two handers
« Reply #57 on: May 16, 2013, 11:14:19 pm »
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Simple, go one hander.

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Re: Polearms vs Two handers
« Reply #58 on: May 16, 2013, 11:14:29 pm »
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@Teeth

polearm is a utility class.

you seem to be doing well with poles abusing stabs either as a hoplite or a piker. why whine?
And now he can't play because of "common sense" and he doesn't understand how this common sense works
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Re: Polearms vs Two handers
« Reply #59 on: May 16, 2013, 11:23:22 pm »
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Tor is one of the best players of this mod, he is right up there with Chase, Gurnisson and Blueberry Muffin. Sit down and show some respect.

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