Polearms vs Two handers

[Idzo]

Last night I got dragged into discussion poles vs 2h and I was about to say why poles are better and then I realized that i don't have valid argument except length (was thinking about release,  animation, speed etc.) of some weapons and most of them are 1 directional or 2 directional attack weapons. I'm completely aware of versatility of poles but is it enough?
There are few pure polearm users. I'm not counting hoplites in this thread.

Guys, what do you think?

Which class is superior?

Polestagger was devastating in combination with proper footwork.
Is it time for return of polestagger since its only(?) advantage over 2h?
 

[Gurnisson]

As a pure polearm player.

NO, not polestagger!

[Panos]

Polearms are inferior to 2handers.

Slower, same damage, the lolstab can outreach swings, ghostrange, never bounce, histslashes.


I agree, with Gunri, polestagger was a total bullshit, but for mother of god, NERF 2HANDERS a bit.

[Idzo]

As a pure polearm player.

NO, not polestagger!

Why? Elaborate pls

[Molly]

Polearms are inferior to 2handers.

Slower, same damage, the lolstab can outreach swings, ghostrange, never bounce, histslashes.


I agree, with Gunri, polestagger was a total bullshit, but for mother of god, NERF 2HANDERS a bit.

I was about to write "Don't bring polestagger back or Panos would have to stop bitching about 2h"... but then I read his post

[Gurnisson]

Why? Elaborate pls

Because it was the most fucked up mechanic ever. It still annoys me that ranged weapons have it, but it was worse on polearms. For almost every second hit you could get a free hit to boot, that was impossible for the enemy to defend. How is that not bullshit? I loved either making one-shots to the face with my old long awlpike or hitting them once to the body and getting a free face stab afterwards, pretty much always grabbing a kill every time I made a hit. However, I was one of the first to admit how broken it was and I wanted it gone. It was overpowered.

[Panos]

I was about to write "Don't bring polestagger back or Panos would have to stop bitching about 2h"... but then I read his post

Telling the truth ain`t bitching.

[Molly]

Spamming the truth is bitching though

[Tydeus]

I think high tier polearm vs 2h is balanced fairly well(with a few exceptions such as the flamberge), but the lower-medium tier polearms have either always been bad or were devastated by the removal of polestagger which they so heavily relied. Even with the recent and upcoming buffs to polearms, I'm still don't believe the issue has been resolved.

[SMEGMAR]

2h is easier simply because they barely get weapon stunned and when they do their recovery is incredibly fast. Their stabs often outreach poles. The animations are super fluid and swings seem to connect faster than that of pole / 1h. Poles also gets stuck in walls / players way more frequently than 2hs do.

[Fips]

I remember some great long axe spammers like tor (Not saying he is a bad player, but that GLA spam was the worst) hitting me once and then just keep on hitting me without any chance of getting my block up. So yeah, if polestagger would get back into the game i would respecc to polearm with 21/24. =P
Only thing that needs to be balanced is 2h lolstab, other than that i find pole and 2h too be OP equally.

[Tore]

1h without shield masterrace

[Tydeus]

2h is easier simply because they barely get weapon stunned and when they do their recovery is incredibly fast.

Polearms gain a large weight bonus when blocking a hit, so they will undoubtedly be getting weapon stunned far less often.

[Grumbs]

Rather than polestagger i'd rather offset the negative aspect of having long weapons that you hold in the middle. You run slower and they get caught on players or even damage people behind you, without really reaching further to compensate. If not then a damage buff could be a possibility. I would rather not nerf 2 handers though particularly, since I think people would simply elect to be a shielder so they can still use swords. We already have too much incentive to use a shield, even for poking type players. So either buff poles (indirectly even with less glitchy attacks/ the slower run speed) or give a slight nerf to 2 hand stab, but don't shift the balance further towards shields imo. If you do then nerf ranged more so shields are less of a requirement. The whole game is dumbed down with shields being a prevalent play style imo.

Pole stagge ris not something worth having in the game though I think. It was pretty lame to get free hits or to completely disable a player for too long. Kind of like getting hit from ranged

[Prpavi]

both lolstab and pole stab are equally broken and i find it quite amusing seeing this thread come from "pike the sky then drag it down for a HS with a pike" Izdo.

I play 2h Danish atm but i switch it up and ye i abuse lolstabmostly against annoying cav and have no bad feelings about it.

If 2h is so extremely superior why are u playing poles? goes both for Idzo and Panos, stop being so righteous and stop playing victims instead respec and join the master race.

Regards,

2h my old friend Prpavi