Polearms vs Two handers

[Panos]

If 2h is so extremely superior why are u playing poles? goes both for Idzo and Panos, stop being so righteous and stop playing victims instead respec and join the master race.

Regards,

2h my old friend Prpavi

Because there are some people who, still play the mod to have fun.

Don`t nerf 2h swords, just give polethrust to all greatswords. Plain simple

[Lange]

Don`t nerf 2h swords, just give polethrust to all greatswords. Plain simple

Longsword and HBS are equally or even more OP. (Yes, that's why I am using one myself. )

[Michael]

If 2h is so extremely superior why are u playing poles? goes both for Idzo and Panos

Good question.


Not sure about Idzo, but Panos plays polearm because he is seeking a challenge.

Did you ever have the chance to watch him on Nditions and witness how skilled he is?
I had.

On topic, I am not very familiar with 2h or polearm.
In native I always play shield warrior or archer and 1h if melee is unavoidable.
But even without good armour, 2h and pole seems to be easier than 1h in crpg. Not sure about Strategus, havent played it since the very first era.

EDIT: Ah Panos is online all day.

[Gurnisson]

both lolstab and pole stab are equally broken and i find it quite amusing seeing this thread come from "pike the sky then drag it down for a HS with a pike" Izdo.

I play 2h Danish atm but i switch it up and ye i abuse lolstabmostly against annoying cav and have no bad feelings about it.

If 2h is so extremely superior why are u playing poles? goes both for Idzo and Panos, stop being so righteous and stop playing victims instead respec and join the master race.

Greatswords have 3 other great directions, and their stab is better up close, and not too far behind in length compared to hoplites, 2d polearms and long spear. Polestab is inferior to 2h stab, no doubt about it, but that doesn't mean that polestagger should come back. I have played as a piker a lot of my cRPG time, and playing with a german greatsword didn't limit me that much in mass melee while severely increasing my 1v1 capabilities. Having used bill, halberd, ranseur, long awlpike and spetum in my time, there's pretty much no gain compared to a german greatsword, and I find that quite sad considering you lose 50 % of your attacking directions.

[Dezilagel]

Polearms vs 2h is fine imo, but regardless off balance I completely agree with Gurni that polestagger was the most bullshit mechanics ever and they should not bring it back ever.

I really don't get why people are so annoyed with 2h's; they're the easiest class to fight 

[Tyr_]

2hers, especially greatswords and bastardsword are excellent dueling and skirmishing weapons. Winning a 1v3 is much easier with them than with any other weapon class.

What makes 2hers very strong especially on eu1 is that there is no teamplay, so a 2h hero wont have to face big groups but can backstab and get many easy kills, while in strat he cant flank without getting shot or bumped, and in close combat you will get the shit piked out of you.
But once you get into a proper, coordinated battle they lose much of their advantage. If there would be only strat i would immediatly take 1her or polearm over my great sword, if you work together in large groups the are much better than 2hers, its easier to survive in formation fight and you are more useful to your team using 1h or pole.

[Idzo]

If 2h is so extremely superior why are u playing poles? goes both for Idzo and Panos, stop being so righteous and stop playing victims instead respec and join the master race.

Why? Cause i prefer big axes. Simple. For same reason i wear Coat of Plates cuz i don't like any other armor.
If i want to get most out of my build and axe i would use completely different gear.

I wasn't righteous neither was playing victim, I was just asking for community's opinion. That's all.
I don't want any buffs nerfs or whatever. Not even polestagger. Just opinion. Cigane

[Panos]

Polearms vs 2h is fine imo, but regardless off balance I completely agree with Gurni that polestagger was the most bullshit mechanics ever and they should not bring it back ever.

I really don't get why people are so annoyed with 2h's; they're the easiest class to fight 

Sorry Dezi, not all polearmers like to spam a war spear.

[korppis]

By 2h you mean greatswords, right?

- Both can be spammed with some footwork.
- Higher tier polearms are a bit heavier than greatswords which makes GS lolstab easier. In return that weight gives better chance to stun others.
- Polearms seem a bit more versatile, with many of them having secondary mode, making them better against shielders.
- Polearms also got that unique ability to stop horses.
- Polearms have better variety of weapons overall (from very long to short, all damage types). Then again 2h have more CT weapons.

So... hard to say which is "better". They both shine in different situations.

[oohillac]

Polearms are very versatile, whereas two-handed weapons have superior animations.  Go ask a new player to fight with a 2h and a spear/GLA/whatever and see which he finds more comfortable.

Also the 2h stab is ridiculous.  Change the animation to something with less reach or crazy hit allowance and I bet there would be far fewer 2h heroes.  Sure, polestabs are out of whack too, but not to that extent.

[Macropus]

Also what I like about polearms is that while 1h and 2h animations look like fancy fencing, polearm animations look like beating the shit out of your enemy with that long stick 

[IR_Kuoin]

Wish my Katana didn't have the stab animation for 2hand, its annoying and makes me stagger when I use it by accident.

[betard_lulz]

nerf 2h

[Kafein]

I'm not trying to be exhaustive but a few points :

• 2h got better knockdown weapons
• 2h got better crushthrough weapons (the GM anyway)
• The 2h stab has bloody long reach
• Stabs and overhead animations are deceptive because they last long
• Weapon models are relatively short, but the way they are handled makes them comparable in length to polearms so you move faster without losing reach
• Usually shorter and lighter than the polearm equivalent, you get better turn speeds
• Animations are more fluid, which helps some feinting styles
• Thrust/rightswing feints still probably the strongest feint in the game
• Easier stabglance feints
• Generally better speed ratings, so you get slightly more responsive blocking

• Polearms have broken animations and are almost impossible to chamberblock for that reason
• Also this helps with holding and wiggling swings
• The pole stab is much easier to use up close. Up to weapons with 150 reach, you can facehug stab without any fear of glancing
• Easier hiltslashing
• Top tier polearms have the axe bonus against shields (and arguably knockdown too if you use a poleaxe)
• Horse rearing (although can't 2h do that with halfswording ?)
• Polestagger is gone (prahs cmp) but polearms still stop your movement when you get hit, which makes them vastly superior in clusterfucks
• Spare 4 skill points and voila you can be hoplite
• Spare 5 skill points and you can be cav
• A wider selection of weapons, especially in the 2D category
• If you want better raw damage, you get it without losing much speed
• Most good polearms should be unbalanced but they aren't, not really a comparative argument though

I'd say 2h are better if you don't work with teammates a lot.

[Falka]

some great long axe spammers like tor (Not saying he is a bad player,

spammer Tor, not a bad player... Ye, I do agree, maybe he wasn't noob, but definitely mediocre player... 

i find it quite amusing seeing this thread come from "pike the sky then drag it down for a HS with a pike" Izdo.

ye, pike abuser crying about 2h lolstab.

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