About helping inf teammates :
When your friends are clearly outnumbered, usually a simple couched lance flyby will net you a clean kill and make things a little easier for the team
When the fight is pretty much even, usually 1v1 fights, you can try to bump or lance the enemy, depending on the cases. The last strategy also works very well :
When your team outnumbers the enemy, you can add a lot of pressure on the enemy by simply standing there, slowly riding around the enemy with your lance prepared, ready to rush. You will probably not attack at all but it will confuse the enemy and make things easier for your team. This also works in even fights and is the least risky of all tactics.
You can even use the time you circle around the mob to analyse the battlefield and seek opportunities elsewhere.
In siege, when infantry are hacking down a door and there's no enemy around, dont charge into them with your horse, take a slash from back swing or whatever, and then "M" them for the damage your stupidity just caused.(click to show/hide)
I often just stand still at spawn for the first minute of the first round of a map.We did this as ninjas a lot back when you could still sheath pikes, ahh the memories.
Priceless.
If it were up to me I'd just remove kills from the scoreboard altogether and have only a website scoreboard of kills/deaths etc, but I know that wouldn't happen because there are too many players who want to flash their e-peen around on servers.
I would like my fellow horse-lovers to consider a few things I have decided for myself in the last months. many of these suggestions are easy to follow, and it would help a lot to up the fun for everyone on the server:
-stop killing people that havent moved on their spawn. dont matter if afk or what ever, if they havent moved yet, just let them be.(click to show/hide)
lol, no. This is like 30% of all my kills(spawn killing that is, not just afk dudes). Also I want to win rounds, this helps my team. Also I risk my neck every time I go for enemy spawn. First I have to get through enemy cav, then archers and when I reach the spawn half the time the "afk" inf is just playing afk so he can get easy cav kills.
-stop rushing into melee fights where u are not needed.(click to show/hide)
lol, no. This is 50% of all my kills. The challenging part is to approach from right angle and avoid harming teammates(it is actually quite hard because they never teamplay=if friendly cav is around inf should backpedal while blocking instead of running around the enemy in circles).
-be foreseeing also to the actions of youre fellow cavmen.(click to show/hide)
Everyone getting in each others way happens in melee combat also and I don't see why this is giving cav a bad rep among inf players.
-DO NOT RUN THROUGH TEAMMATES WHEN SPAWNING.in the end, it comes down to one thing: respect. respect your fellow crpg players, go around killing and slaying, dieing and beeing shot, dehorsed and raped. but dont be a dick.(click to show/hide)
The spawns are a mess in many maps so sometimes it is hard to avoid if you want to move at the beginning of the round like everyone else. Inf doesn't get damaged from a small bump anyway so while I get what you are saying about respect, I don't think this is a big deal unless you have a huge ego or you are in a bad mood and start raging easily.
one last thing to our wonderful non mounted friends: there are situations when u will get bumped. there are situations when u will get tked. i can assure you that the cavs are just as sorry for this as you guys are when u teamslash, teamhit and shoot and whatnot.(click to show/hide)
This is sooo annoying, happens way too often also.
please, anybody who wants something in this post, i am glad to edit it. i am just spittballing here.
lol, no. This is 50% of all my kills. The challenging part is to approach from right angle and avoid harming teammates(it is actually quite hard because they never teamplay=if friendly cav is around inf should backpedal while blocking instead of running around the enemy in circles).
lol, no. This is like 30% of all my kills(spawn killing that is, not just afk dudes). Also I want to win rounds, this helps my team. Also I risk my neck every time I go for enemy spawn. First I have to get through enemy cav, then archers and when I reach the spawn half the time the "afk" inf is just playing afk so he can get easy cav kills.You're a my old friend
lol, no. This is 50% of all my kills. The challenging part is to approach from right angle and avoid harming teammates(it is actually quite hard because they never teamplay=if friendly cav is around inf should backpedal while blocking instead of running around the enemy in circles).Oh, yes, of course we want you to kill the enemy we've been fighting for the last minute.
All good suggestions except not killing afk at the enemy spawn. Honestly if they are still afk when the enemy gets there, they deserve to get lanced.
l I try to apologize every time it happens.
You mean sometimes you "fail" to apologize in those cases ? :rolleyes:
Get out masasa, NAO !
YoOften times it means I get ~3 kills during the first 30seconds of a round and then die, since going for enemy spawn at the start is risky, but I do it instead of waiting around for the inf to engage since I find boring compared to the former playstyle.Is your playstyle (aka spawn attacking, no matter if i die, if i live i do the same till i die) bannable Masasa ? I don't know it myself. But the features tend to look similar. :shock:
Oh, i forgot to add a little comment :idea: :
-you know how suicide attacks are bannable.
-you know that attacking spawns results, in 50% of the cases, in your death in less than 1min
No wonder masasa as time to go on the forum :
Edit : My bad Torben, i'm sorry. But if i see someone defending it without any thought behind it, in order to have a "balanced" discussion, it's normal for some people to sacrifice their well-being and attack them, without any thought behind it. I thought i was reasonable though, sorry if i crossed the line. I'll be more careful in your topic, wich i find very "true".
Is your playstyle (aka spawn attacking, no matter if i die, if i live i do the same till i die) bannable Masasa ? I don't know it myself. But the features tend to look similar. :shock:
i tend to attack group of enemy cav in the beggining of the round, when i die early in such scenario is it bannable ?
And come on, what's this nonsense "having the balls to defend..."', i have the balls to attack his playstyle too, don't I ?!
But cav is still lacking way behind, when it comes to this. Same goes for all the archers shooting into melee fights.... because hey ? why not, they might just end up with another kill. :rolleyes:
i tend to disagree. i do a lot of melee fighting lately and get teamstuned and than killed by enemies regularely. I would say that every class has its new players, and its ok that they make mistakes, have to get used to the game etc. i just want to encourage everyone to play with caution regarding the rights of their fellow gamers
i tend to attack group of enemy cav in the beggining of the round, when i die early in such scenario is it bannable ?
Same goes for all the archers shooting into melee fights.... because hey ? why not, they might just end up with another kill. :rolleyes:
-stop rushing into melee fights where u are not needed.
as an archer i often shoot into melee fights if i see the outcome of the fight being 50/50 for both player or if i think the enemy has a higher chance of winning than my teammate. Why? because there is a bigger chance of me (if you are a decent archer, that is) hitting the enemy than the teammate, so in the long run, shooting into fights like those helps your team. Ofc it goes wrong very often, but if it goes right just a tiny bit more, it is worth it. If my teammate has the largest chance of winning the fight, i wouldnt dream about shooting into it - why risk getting your teammate kileld when he can easily win?
For me, this game is about having your team win, so if shooting into a melee fight works out more often than not, it will increase my team's chance of winning more often than it decreases the chance, which will make my team win more in the long run - so that is exactly what i will do; shoot into melee.
Show some respect man.
No, this is flawed thinking.
Loosing a fight because you messed up - nps.
Loosing a fight because some dumb archer hit you in the back and got you stunned = sux balls.
That 2h fighting in front of you is actually a human being, not some robot calculating win percentage.
Show some respect man.
Interesting points. Most I agree with. Except the afk at spawn one. There is no real excuse for being afk at spawn. If you clicked spawn then realised you needed the loo or got a phone call or something, then chances are they will just end up delaying the round at the end anyway. And even if they do come back half way through, if it helps the team, I'll do it. There's no real excuse in my opinion for being afk at spawn.
..that or give us option to disable it. So many time i wanted a screen from that last kill, because it looked awesome, but no, the f... scoreboard is in the way.
In fact, they should remove scoreboards completely.
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that or give us option to disable it. So many time i wanted a screen from that last kill, because it looked awesome, but no, the f... scoreboard is in the way.
There is also certain "Loose horse within the first 40-50 seconds and respawn with fresh horse", "Horse Sharing" abuses that will lead to Essay bans. (GK you are warned)
to all those complaining about GK, would you rather have us on the other team? :P
Edit Edit : to all those complaining about GK, would you rather have us on the other team? :P
Yes, I'd very much like to have your oversized ego's on the other team.
Yes, I'd very much like to have your oversized ego's on the other team.
i also hate it when i collide with a friendly cav which rears my horse and gets me killed.
Here is a protip, ALWAYS GO RIGHT. if we can all agree to this, such unsightly collisions will be a thing of the past.
Careless trampling of teammates at spawn however.. We'll prepare for a small or severe ban from me if I see it. The more excessive the harder the ban. Could be 30 mins or 2 days depending on severity. This kind of jackass behaviour can ruin the day for many players. We come to play here to escape from the rotten RL out there, trying to have some fun, and some careless troll may ruin it all.
There is also certain "Loose horse within the first 40-50 seconds and respawn with fresh horse", "Horse Sharing" abuses that will lead to Essay bans. (GK you are warned)
Yes, I'd very much like to have your oversized ego's on the other team.
as an archer i often shoot into melee fights if i see the outcome of the fight being 50/50 for both player or if i think the enemy has a higher chance of winning than my teammate. Why? because there is a bigger chance of me (if you are a decent archer, that is) hitting the enemy than the teammate, so in the long run, shooting into fights like those helps your team. Ofc it goes wrong very often, but if it goes right just a tiny bit more, it is worth it. If my teammate has the largest chance of winning the fight, i wouldnt dream about shooting into it - why risk getting your teammate kileld when he can easily win?
For me, this game is about having your team win, so if shooting into a melee fight works out more often than not, it will increase my team's chance of winning more often than it decreases the chance, which will make my team win more in the long run - so that is exactly what i will do; shoot into melee.
When your team outnumbers the enemy, you can add a lot of pressure on the enemy by simply standing there, slowly riding around the enemy with your lance prepared, ready to rush. You will probably not attack at all but it will confuse the enemy and make things easier for your team. This also works in even fights and is the least risky of all tactics.
You can even use the time you circle around the mob to analyse the battlefield and seek opportunities elsewhere.
This suggestion is a great one. Occasionally I'll do this to confuse a plated guy or whomever from getting cocky in a fight against 4 of my allies. Usually the distraction works and sometimes I can even get a bump or non-moving lance shot in there.
There is also certain "Loose horse within the first 40-50 seconds and respawn with fresh horse", "Horse Sharing" abuses that will lead to Essay bans. (GK you are warned)
Pretty sure you can't ban for bumping a few team mates on spawn. Certainly not if it's just careless. Deliberately yes. But not if it's just carelessness. And how does receiving a slight knock on spawn ruin your day?
Again...stop making up stuff about GK.
Are you serious there Overdriven ? Can't you READ PROPERLY what Thomek wrote ?
Since you seem having problems, i'd like to help you out and enlighten you :
-Horse sharing is bannable, aka spawning on a horse at 6:58, dismounting, joining specs, joining again a faction, on a horse.
-I find Thomek to be a reasonable admin, and if he says "Gk, you are warned", then there's obviously data behind it. He's no nuffen, so he gives a warning, so don't just do as if nothing happened.
-I find you VERY rude evading Thomek's point, and telling him to stop making stuff up, since he didn't do that at all. I wouldn't mind you be muted for disrespecting admin's warning AND admins in general.
Cavs reputation are ALSO dependant on forum, sadly. And seeing Overdriven lobbyism and "i can't read properly" posts, there's little wonder a lot of people find Gks irritating. Luckily, they (Gk) have some very good members (aka Kerrigan, Elmer, Chagan_Arslan) who makes the clan forgivable.(click to show/hide)
Edit : Since Overdriven won't post anymore, i won't either, so i'll edit. xD
I don't see HOW you can be "pretty sure admins can't ban because of bumping", he's the admin, he knows the rules, usually. And "because of careless" IS a good reason for banning : i can't care less about my teammates, i'll just bump all thoses in my way. Then again, i'm sure you just used a wrong wrong, cause i know Gk don't bump at all (or very uncommon) at spawn, because they're being carfull.
I do admit your post wasn't clear, since you quoted all of Thomek's posts, to speak about the ban without saying wich one you were refering to "bumpity bump" or "sharing". Since the "bumpity bump" didn't concern Gk, imo, i thought it was the second point. My bad there. Not having english as a main language doesn't help. :rolleyes:
Yeah, but this doesnt help your team very much, you cant see in the future, how the melee fight will happen. And the allies is most likely to have their back towards u= bigger area to hit. And a good infantry will use the teammate as cover from the archer= even smaller area for the archer to hit the enemy. So if the fight is 50/50 and you want to try and help your teammate, yours chances of hitting is prob only 40% on enemy and 60% on the friendly.
And yeah very very good archers might be able to do it some of the times, but many archers either dont give a fuck, or think that they are better than they actually are. So many of them end up shooting into melee.
Many archers also just shoots into melee combat, no matter who the are + many players dont know their teammates by just looking at gear, but they still shot into the melee fight instead of finding another target.
Not true - if the two players are equally good, my teammate will also try to get the enemies back towards me - and even thoguh i cant predict their way of moving, i can come with a qualified guess. If you are a decent arcehr, yur odds of hitting the enemy is bigger than thse of hitting the friend in a 50%50 fight, simply because thats what you're aiming for... and even if it was, like you said, 60/40 for hitting the guy i DONT aim for, i would just aim for my teammate and have 60/40 for hitting the enemy, eh?
MASTER CAV TACTICS
Use champion Large War Horse (you buffed it again i think? its imbalanced, christ) or Champion Cataphract and MW Heavy Lance
Out lance scrub cav on way to enemy spawn, ignore good cav
Couch anyone running out of spawn with tunnel vision
Circle around spawn with cav bros one guy bumping other couching for 30 seconds or so until enemy cav actually comes back, immediately flee
Loop around some more couching people by themselves and especially murdering exposed arcehrs
Charge into some 1vs1 melee fights knocking over your teammate and kill stealing the guy he's dueling
Notice top player on enemy team in full plate murdering your teammates, lol welp you just couched him halfway into the round GG
Outlance bad cav and 1 handed cav at whim in between killing everyone else
Lolcharge into masses of infantry when you pass by them fighting your teammates as long as no aware pikes are on flank
Ignore anyone else whining or complaining about cav
Always go for peasants first
5x forever
You dont get it do you ? You can come with a qualified guess, yeah. But you still have no clue how the fight will turn out. Its hard to see how the fight will turn out as a melee fighting him. So plz dont act like u know nearly whats gonna happen.
And your argument towards my 40/60 % chance is that you will for sure hit the right one, because thats what your aiming for ? They are walking around each other, trying to outsmart eachother. So they will move and change places constantly ( if they are any good)
Btw.... so you dont give a shit to melee do u ? 2 guys equally skilled, and their lives rely on your little guess. If we get shot we die.
I think it is you who dont get it... let's assume i close my eyes and shoot - i will ahve 50/50 chance of hitting the right guy if we assume i hit something. If i open my eyes and come with a qualified guess on how it will turn out, aim the best i can, and shoot - i will have a larger chance of hitting the enemy than if i close my eyes, yes? That means i have more than 50% chance of hitting the enemy, which makes it worth it to take the shot. I encourage arcehrs to do this even thoguh i am melee myself.
im not argue anymore, its not gonna help anyway :P
I would like my fellow horse-lovers to consider a few things I have decided for myself in the last months. many of these suggestions are easy to follow, and it would help a lot to up the fun for everyone on the server:
-stop killing people that havent moved on their spawn. dont matter if afk or what ever, if they havent moved yet, just let them be.(click to show/hide)
-stop rushing into melee fights where u are not needed.(click to show/hide)
-be foreseeing also to the actions of youre fellow cavmen.(click to show/hide)
-DO NOT RUN THROUGH TEAMMATES WHEN SPAWNING.(click to show/hide)
in the end, it comes down to one thing: respect. respect your fellow crpg players, go around killing and slaying, dieing and beeing shot, dehorsed and raped. but dont be a dick.
one last thing to our wonderful non mounted friends: there are situations when u will get bumped. there are situations when u will get tked. i can assure you that the cavs are just as sorry for this as you guys are when u teamslash, teamhit and shoot and whatnot.(click to show/hide)
please, anybody who wants something in this post, i am glad to edit it. i am just spittballing here.
as this seems to mutate into somekind of guide, i will quote one of the replies for anyone who wants to know about teamwork:
Easy rules if you play vanilla, communist crpg cav with a 190 weapon length lance and courser.Play 1 month with a short sword like langes messer then come back and write somethings about spawn kills and so on.
thread unlocked. cause the cav on the battlefield are greater douchbags than the guys postin here ; )
Archers should also stop shooting at people without shields, and people using long polearms should not attack cav because it's just NOT FAIR.
and for any inf that never tried riding horses: there is some weird given thing, from time to time cav looses control overr there horses, sliding and glitching and moving about uncontrollably for quite some time. so if you see a cav crashing through enemies ad friendlies alike, running into trees and walls, weildly blocking and hitting and whatever, you can be sure this poor soul is not in control. dont hate on him.Ohhh, is that what that is. I had that happen and lost control for a good 8 seconds. Luckily I had a good vector heading out of town when it occurred and didn't squash anyone.
Ohhh, is that what that is. I had that happen and lost control for a good 8 seconds. Luckily I had a good vector heading out of town when it occurred and didn't squash anyone.
It had the feeling of server lag, or client-server desynch. After a few seconds it "caught up" or whatever and I was back in control. Very odd glitch.
Anyway the best way to make cav join torben move is to kill my old friends' horsies at the beggining of each round.
Nevertheless, the best is certainly when a friendly cav come and bump you during a fight (and because and it's a non-skilled player, he didn't manage to kill the guy you fought) is to kill his horse when he ll try again (yes, because when the almost kill you with the first bump but don't manage to kill the ennemie, the my old friendgie cav come back and bump you a second time) you just kill his horse.
After that, he will ask you why you killed his horse (and him at the same time), say some of the most stupid excuses that you can imagine, and wait for his reaction !
Seriously, just help yourself, when such a situation happen, we should respond in consequence and not wait for the guy to become a non-greedy-stupid player. Avenge yourself (discretly because those stupid players are never punished, but you will if you want to avenge yourself in front of everyone). Here is the solution !!!
In other words, the only way to make those poeple respecting others players is to make them understand that their actions can be punished.
Remember, when you re fighting an ennemie, you can do whatever you want, including killing a greedy teammate !
Anyway the best way to make cav join torben move is to kill my old friends' horsies at the beggining of each round.
Nevertheless, the best is certainly when a friendly cav come and bump you during a fight (and because and it's a non-skilled player, he didn't manage to kill the guy you fought) is to kill his horse when he ll try again (yes, because when the almost kill you with the first bump but don't manage to kill the ennemie, the my old friendgie cav come back and bump you a second time) you just kill his horse.
After that, he will ask you why you killed his horse (and him at the same time), say some of the most stupid excuses that you can imagine, and wait for his reaction !
Seriously, just help yourself, when such a situation happen, we should respond in consequence and not wait for the guy to become a non-greedy-stupid player. Avenge yourself (discretly because those stupid players are never punished, but you will if you want to avenge yourself in front of everyone). Here is the solution !!!
In other words, the only way to make those poeple respecting others players is to make them understand that their actions can be punished.
Remember, when you re fighting an ennemie, you can do whatever you want, including killing a greedy teammate !
Renegat have the big boys on horses been bullying you again? :P
hey bonze, you found a brother-in-sucking -.-
check this out: www.cavcankillwithoutbeingadipshit.com unless your a badplayer i guess
My defination of badplayer : play a easy, low risk cav build with a 190 length lance and start useless topics about cav . :mrgreen:
-stop killing people that havent moved on their spawn. dont matter if afk or what ever, if they havent moved yet, just let them be.(click to show/hide)
bumping this shit for all the haters
so you play easy mode lancer, horse stabbing.
There's nothing new or clever about that man it's just cheap.
Though I think a majority of players are too kill greedy to even think about doing stuff like this, alot of people are more worried about their posistion on the scoreboard. If it were up to me I'd just remove kills from the scoreboard altogether and have only a website scoreboard of kills/deaths etc, but I know that wouldn't happen because there are too many players who want to flash their e-peen around on servers.
THIS, A MILLION BAZILLION GORILLAGILLION TIMES THIS!!!!!
I am pole and usually catch stupid cavs on spawn as if I was afk. Hate cav.
I hate every class. :P
bump
hehe.
I had been working for 11 hours, was gonna play a few rounds of crpg before making some food and watching the wire. I spawned 30 seconds after everyone else on my team and got 11 cav on my ass. Even with a great weapon for fighting cav it was truly impossible, with that many guys just focusing you. That was my only round of crpg that day. :lol:
I had been working for 11 hours, was gonna play a few rounds of crpg before making some food and watching the wire. I spawned 30 seconds after everyone else on my team and got 11 cav on my ass. Even with a great weapon for fighting cav it was truly impossible, with that many guys just focusing you. That was my only round of crpg that day. :lol:+1 for watching the wire.
Maybe if cavs universally stop only targetting easy players and afks, cav will be buffed to have a serious combat role.
Maybe... ;_;
I always bump pesants, irrelevant of what team they belong to.
Their place is workiing in my fields, not clogging up my battlefield!
-DO NOT RUN THROUGH TEAMMATES WHEN SPAWNING.lmao, thats great (:(click to show/hide)
Can I get you to add one thing to your list, Torben?
In siege, when infantry are hacking down a door and there's no enemy around, dont charge into them with your horse, take a slash from back swing or whatever, and then "M" them for the damage your stupidity just caused.(click to show/hide)
If it were up to me I'd just remove kills from the scoreboard altogether and have only a website scoreboard of kills/deaths etc, but I know that wouldn't happen because there are too many players who want to flash their e-peen around on servers.
I know that wouldn't happen because there are too many players who want to flash their e-peen around on servers.
musashi doesnt help for cav reputation. i spawned, got couched
Can I get you to add one thing to your list, Torben?
In siege, when infantry are hacking down a door and there's no enemy around, dont charge into them with your horse, take a slash from back swing or whatever, and then "M" them for the damage your stupidity just caused.
About cav... sometimes I hate them, especially when there are plenty of them or when they are sneaking up to me in the huge battles (EU1) but sometimes I feel sorry for them cause I know the trick to dehorse every single one of them if they try to attack me one on one.does it work on maganda?
Not much people play Cav at siege to be honest, however i think i am really addicted to siege as a horseman :D
No one plays fair anymore, I see no reason why should cav.
No one plays fair anymore, I see no reason why should cav.
Half these advices aim to increase the effectiveness of cav. Particularly the one about 2/3 cavs charging the same guy.
complete an utter nonsense. Always attack anyone in spawn,if they are not ready they should not spawn.IF THEY ARE ENEMY ALWAYS ATTACK NO MATTER WHAT.
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reasons
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suck my balls. how about that.
That was a joke.
I appreciate your hard work on bringing back good reputation of Cavalry (as a whole)
Good that someone actually cares about such things.
It would be good to see some more end of round duels on NA instead of this unchivalrous murder everytime.
"I am the penis in youre clusterfuck"
your*
Solution for spawn rape:
Create an area just like we have (had) in rageball after goal is scored. I'm talking about free kick area. Make it last for a minute so GKs can't spawn rape late spawners.
and while your at it, make it so that while typing you are invurnable to being lanced
being killed while typing have to stop
That wouldn't be abusable at all..
and while your at it, make it so that while typing you are invurnable to being lanced
being killed while typing have to stop
So if I see a lancer coming onto me, I press T and am secure? Think again.Not sure if not any sense of sarcasm, or troll..
and while your at it, make it so that while typing you are invurnable to being lanced
being killed while typing have to stop
Torben I must tell that I've sinned with Miralay.. I gave up to the fleshly desires at the spawn. We broke the first rule intentionally one evening. Plz forgive me! Miralay is one of Satan's little helpers in this matter and tricked me to do that bad thing with him :(.
: ) mate no worries, haha.We were riding in a fog and wondered what to do. Then Miralay suggested that we go do some spawnrape and I just said "why not Torben is not here". Then we laughed and slaughtered some peasants :mrgreen:. I think they all were moving though but still near the spawn area or in spawn. I however usually try not to do that. Ofc I kill everyone who I see running away from the spawn alone, they should be fully aware of the danger approaching and have been consious for several moments :lol:. Late spawners are most likely to go alone somewhere so I can catch them later too so I have no hurry to fly near their spawn anyway.
because there are a lot of things that can make one not move for the first few seconds of the game.Don't spawn then.
Don't spawn then.
I would certainly not like having teamates causing a round loss by being nice to leechers. Stupid suggestion.
you misinterpret if you think i am suggesting that.
-stop killing people that havent moved on their spawn. dont matter if afk or what ever, if they havent moved yet, just let them be.(click to show/hide)
-stop rushing into melee fights where u are not needed.(click to show/hide)
-be foreseeing also to the actions of youre fellow cavmen.(click to show/hide)
-DO NOT RUN THROUGH TEAMMATES WHEN SPAWNING.(click to show/hide)
So pretty much your telling cavalry to not be cavalry
So pretty much your telling cavalry to not be cavalry
as long asGKcav does this, it will always have bad reputation(click to show/hide)
oh yea i dont know where i read this from a GK, but killing stragglers and late spawners isnt a valid tactic is just a dishonorable way to take advantage of people that didnt manage to spawn as fast as you.
as long asGKcav does this, it will always have bad reputation(click to show/hide)
I would like to have everyone being invulnerable after spawning during the time you can spawn on the server (1st 59 seconds or what was it?) + 30 seconds more to be able to walk safely towards his teammates without being ganked by cav. If you leave a certain area this time of invulnerability is set to 0, to prevent spawnrusher cav or benefiting from this.what if they add a rageball kind of area where enemy cant enter up to minute 6?
It's sad that I think such a suggestion would make sense with the current state of matters on the servers, but I want to point out that it is not only meant to protect people who needed to download the map, or with different good reasons for spawning lately, it's mainly because I grudge cav those easy kills. I think everyone should work for his kills, and picking off AFKers and ganking people who spawned lately with 3+ cav is definitely something wrong.
Or make everyone spawn at the same time. Cav spawning a bit later wouldn't hurt, imho.
what if they add a rageball kind of area where enemy cant enter up to minute 6?
then the invisible wall vanishes and it is free for all.
Some people wonder why cav have bad reputation, kerrigan even said last night on eu1 why does everyone hate gk?
Spawnrape. It ruins every other's gaming experience, except their own. I still remember that one day I came home after 11 hours of work, joined the nords on EU 1, spawned right before the limit, got bumped by a gk 2 seconds after spawning, bumped again by another before being able to move, bumped again before being able to move and couched while on the ground by the last GK. I didn't touch Warband for a while after that.
Man are you playing game or not? If you are afk just go to spectator if not then spawn when rest of the team spawn and play.
I understand that you will lose multi,but then don't complain about when someone kill you.
I usualy don't spawn rape,but if i see some good player like chase or some other dude afk at spawn i will for shure kill him because it is better to kill him then let him live and slay half of my team.
It is totaly valid tactic because it is easier for your team to win if other team have less players.
Spawnrape. It ruins every other's gaming experience, except their own. I still remember that one day I came home after 11 hours of work, joined the nords on EU 1, spawned right before the limit, got bumped by a gk 2 seconds after spawning, bumped again by another before being able to move, bumped again before being able to move and couched while on the ground by the last GK. I didn't touch Warband for a while after that.
edit 2: doesnt mean gk dont make me rage. Leed and I had long conversations about how much we hate them. often they followed us, shooting down our horses and than leaving us stranded in the middle of no where.
not fun, but effective. and their team had to thank them for it, as back than we usually took down 10-20 enemies every round.
for example, if they have cornered a good player, you will see them circling him, until they regrouped and go in for the kill.
they work like a pack of carnivores, and I love watching them do their thing, even when i am at the receiving end (i have a thing for fighting against great odds though).
edit 2: doesnt mean gk dont make me rage. Leed and I had long conversations about how much we hate them. often they followed us, shooting down our horses and than leaving us stranded in the middle of no where.Haha, Leed always dehorsed me aswell. Had some fun duels with him. He won most of the time. Nice guy. But yeah back then when we saw good cav players like you or Leed we would coordinate an attack on you because you were important for the opposing team. But the same happens to me still, getting dehorsed by either cav or ranged. These days I'm not sure anymore who actually dehorses and who goes for the rider (talking about lancers, one handers just try to make your horse stagger and then kill your horse). With the old lance angle it was possible to kill the rider even if he went for a dehorse. So now I'm kind of forced to go for a dehorse(when doing frontal charge) because that will make my chances of surviving a lot bigger.
not fun, but effective. and their team had to thank them for it, as back than we usually took down 10-20 enemies every round.
mleke, have you read all the ther posts?
I dont care about afkers. But anyway it seems you play only for the win, some play for fun (true story)
and gurnisson pointed it out very well. It isnt fun to be cav spawned raped. And dont bullshit me, killing stragglers is no way a teamplay idea, its just a way to get easy kills for KDR.
Been there, done that
there was a question, there is the answer. Please dont act like a 3 year old plugging his ears with his fingers going "lalalalalacanthearyoulalalalala"
I do understand the "hate" for cav players.
I am one of the cavs that genuinely feel bad if I bump someone and, even worse, cause him to die because of it. I apologize immediately after, usually even if some people hit M because I cannot be sure if they saw my bump as intentional or not.
Cav for me has a support function in battles, at least considering the lack of teamwork among cavs. If cav would actually form up together and concentrate on targets, they could tear apart fighting lines and flank formations successfully.
Being it is as it is right now where every cav fights for itself, you need to rely on the right opportunities to strike. Often this consists of attacking an enemy that is already engaged in a fight from the side or rear or hunting down oblivious flankers or stragglers.
Where I really try to help is if I see a teammate that is segregated from the group being overwhelmed by multiple enemies. It provides me with great joy to try and get at least some of the attackers off of him to give him a fighting chance or even defeat them together. Unfortunately as often as it works, it also gets me killed or sometimes the friendly guy steps in the way if my charge at the wrong moment and gets bumped and killed.
I think most people appreciate the help, if they realize it for what it is. Some people won't realize the intent to help though, because they are preoccupied with defending their ass, so the best intentions sometimes get unrewarded and I get reported.
But hey, that is part of the game and these challenges are what makes you better as a cav player.
You and I got exactly the same mindset and i salute you for it.
Personally i do try to work with fellow cav players and any GK player will tell you the same. I often pick a GK or when there is none another cav player and be his wingman so to speak .
I like how "it helps your team" is used repeatedly as argument.
With this argumentation you can justify EVERYTHING. I don't know why doping is forbidden in sports, I mean, it helps you winning?
If I had a hack that would give me an infinite amount of throwing lances, so that I could throw over 200 lances a round, it would be okay, because it helps my team to win the round!
Yes, the goal of the game is winning rounds. But the goal of PLAYING this game is having fun. For EVERYONE. Develop a little bit more empathy, you egocentrics! :mad:
Kafein, you say you go for stragglers and not for afks. Shouldnt it be the other way round?
They leech on the serv, the stragglers are actually playing! Killing afks is cleaning the server!
Just look at the pics, there must be at least 6 cav. There was more coming from the other side.
Dont you see something wrong? You cant say anymore : derp derp why do wz have bad reputation derpy derpity derp
There aren't rules against this...
:rolleyes:
So you are argumenting that everything which is not forbidden is okay and to be liked?
I am just saying: the mere fact that killing AFKers and late spawners is helping your team, doesn't make killing them a good or nice thing.
Roofcamping never was forbidden, but finally ladders waren taken out of the game, ALTHOUGH there was no rule against roofcamping.
Rules change. I am simply highlighting that your examples have rules designed to stop them for obvious reasons.
But that's exactly my point!
Although this argumentation applied for my examples, you have rules preventing such behaviour. Which means, that "it helps my team" alone justifys crap.
start by less killing stragglers, and then the community will hate you less.
70 cav? I don't think I've ever counted that much. Most I've ever counted was 25-30 split between two teams and that was open plains. Most of the time there's 10 cav max per team on a 120 person server. I think someone exagerating kinngrimm :P
... It is pretty awesome to see 10 GK on one team focusing on targets.... I don't play enough to see it happen now though.Since around a month i play everyday 10-16hours again like a long time ago when i finished my gear set.
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What makes you think Byzantium is popular among "community"? Being popular in this game means people fear you, we're (GKs and Byzantiums) in the same boat actually. And I must say that playing as cav (especially 1H cav) isn't that easy which means that people on horses aren't necessarily noobs as many picture them.
At least GK and Byz aren't whiny bitches like Bandits (who's main strategy is "hide in some ruin until everyone is dead and then act like big boys").
there is only one thing that will change current state
if you dont want to see cav killing inf all the time, bring back old lance angle (uuuu cav lobby), no it will not make our scores 80-1, it will make cav duels more interesting again and instead cav focusing on inf it will focus on cav clash more, i used to be a all anti-cav cav player, and there were many more players like this
the irony is that infantry demanded that nerf at the time, and now they are dealing with the consequences
'it helps my team' alone justifies everything if it's within the rules...
Nice disguised buff.
Since around a month i play everyday 10-16hours again like a long time ago when i finished my gear set.
On a regular bases i count 20-30 on each team in a timespan of 7-8 hours daily.
Tops i counted around 70 cav overall. I am on the flanks with cav remember... i see you guys most of the times but i hope you don't see me always i try to make sure of it.
The only time I've gotten frustrated as cav, because of to much cav, was immediately following the archery nerf where there was a massive boom. But then it got buffed to a ridiculous level and it's at the same old normal levels.
If it wasn't for cav i would play battle all day and wouldn't loose a thought on siege. Whatever you imply to know about me is your own imagination not my motivation. Today over a period of 4-6 hours we had around 25 cav per team. But to be truely sure we would need the statistics of the devs.(click to show/hide)
...I abuse now what exactly? And what anyone elses's style of play? You are either delusional or at best very unspecific.
LOL! You abuse the fact that shields are broken to fuck and complain about anyone else's style of play? GET THE FUCK OUT.
If it wasn't for cav i would play battle all day and wouldn't loose a thought on siege. Whatever you imply to know is your own imagination not my motivation. Today over a period of 4-6 hours we had around 25 cav per team. But to be truely sure we would need the statistics of the devs.
I abuse now what exactly? And what anyone elses's style of play? You are either delusional or at best very unspecific.
Tbh no clue who you are anyway, but it seems you feel strongly about me sry that i can't give you back some love, you seem to need it clearly.
back to topic:
If a cav player intervenes in a 4+(inf/ranged):1 and makes it a 5+:1, there is just no love possible. Not only are these cav players quite likely damaging their own team, but any effort one player with his own skills to get perhaps a kill out of this mess are neglected completly and i insinuate here it is not about skill at all anymore but about ganking and getting a kill at all cost.
Like infantry doesn't swarm-gank peeps. Not saying it is good or bad, just a observation. You can't blame cav alone for this. Its all over the place. :wink:i say it is mostly bad. And i mostly don't take part in these myself. 3-4 against 1 is the border where i disengage. Not only is it disgusting, but everything above is just stupid. The chances to hit each other. The manpower which is missing somewhere else on the battle field. The longer one dude occupies 3+ people, if he survives or not, the more likely he will get help or all others are just loosing because so many are occupied, so i would rather go and disturb those who would come to his help.
at this point i must say, that I rode with GK a few times, and they are highly skilled cav teamplayers, I havent ridden with any clan yet that refined cav teamwork like them. They really are like a coordinated swarm, which makes them so despiseable for their victims, because they are very efficient in what they do.Oh man, this is like you have been tripping on LSD. Organizated swarm?.... Really?. Coz all what i see is gks charging from all directions against a single guy, bumping team mates, killing their own horses and making an amazing horse clusterfuck in the process. Some Gks are good. Most are just average and reckless. And that coordination you say its imagination. They are just a big bunch. But ive seen them killing each other just for getting a poor peasant kill.
for example, if they have cornered a good player, you will see them circling him, until they regrouped and go in for the kill.
they work like a pack of carnivores, and I love watching them do their thing, even when i am at the receiving end (i have a thing for fighting against great odds though).
so please differentiate between your hate fighting against effective tactics (that dont see many counters) and your hate against actually game breaking behavior.
edit: and no, stragglers are in game, and they can actually act and fight back. Dont see it game breaking to attack them.
I do how ever usually not go for straggling peasants, as i there is no use in killing them and it only breaks their gaming experience. so again: play with reason, and everything is ok.
edit 2: doesnt mean gk dont make me rage. Leed and I had long conversations about how much we hate them. often they followed us, shooting down our horses and than leaving us stranded in the middle of no where.
not fun, but effective. and their team had to thank them for it, as back than we usually took down 10-20 enemies every round.
back to topic:
If a cav player intervenes in a 4+(inf/ranged):1 and makes it a 5+:1, there is just no love possible. Not only are these cav players quite likely damaging their own team, but any effort one player with his own skills to get perhaps a kill out of this mess are neglected completly and i insinuate here it is not about skill at all anymore but about ganking and getting a kill at all cost.
One thing i can't stand is spawn rapers, 30 seconds in though and i'll come up from behind the spawn, i see no problem with that...lets say with the end of the euipment/spawn phase of one minute.
The real fair cav behavior (for lance cav):
Bring a lance only.
If you get dehorsed fight on foot with the lance only and give these poor infantry peasants a chance. I do it all the time, really fun and adds a special kind of challenge :D(click to show/hide)
the pic represents the very first stage of the battle where cav get kill hungry and kills afk stragglers. It wasnt the first round, it happened every round. then later kerrigan went "oh why does everyone hate us?"
I would like my fellow horse-lovers to consider a few things I have decided for myself in the last months. many of these suggestions are easy to follow, and it would help a lot to up the fun for everyone on the server:
-stop killing people that havent moved on their spawn. dont matter if afk or what ever, if they havent moved yet, just let them be.(click to show/hide)
-stop rushing into melee fights where u are not needed.(click to show/hide)
-be foreseeing also to the actions of youre fellow cavmen.(click to show/hide)
-DO NOT RUN THROUGH TEAMMATES WHEN SPAWNING.(click to show/hide)
in the end, it comes down to one thing: respect. respect your fellow crpg players, go around killing and slaying, dieing and beeing shot, dehorsed and raped. but dont be a dick.
one last thing to our wonderful non mounted friends: there are situations when u will get bumped. there are situations when u will get tked. i can assure you that the cavs are just as sorry for this as you guys are when u teamslash, teamhit and shoot and whatnot.(click to show/hide)
please, anybody who wants something in this post, i am glad to edit it. i am just spittballing here.
as this seems to mutate into somekind of guide, i will quote one of the replies for anyone who wants to know about teamwork:
added on request:
I abuse now what exactly? And what anyone elses's style of play? You are either delusional or at best very unspecific.
Tbh no clue who you are anyway, but it seems you feel strongly about me sry that i can't give you back some love, you seem to need it clearly.
This!!
Respect Torben!
This proves my thoughts that you're one out of thousand...
I'm simply delighted with this move... no words that can describe this... this is what I always insisted for when I was cav....
Now I think you will never get this but I'll try again anyway :
No it doesn't "represents the very first stage of the battle where cav get kill hungry and kills afk stragglers."
That pic means nothing. Nothing. Going that way and being there soon after the round started is one of the very few options for cav on that map. What are we supposed to do exactly ? Wait somewhere ? Do nothing ? Dismount ?
I might ask you why are all infantry being killhungry bastards, rushing to the city, but I wont because I know that's the best option no matter what one wants to do as inf there.
hunt the other cav that rush your spawn?
Yes? My priority number one as cav is other cav. And ranged obviously. Once both of those groups are whittled down, the inf blob has a much easier time of it, and so do you.
well that is nice to see but sadly this isnt how 80% of cav act
I did this 1 cav build lately, still at level 20 i was riding this small rouncey. Going to enemy spawn i would cross 3 or 4 horsemen on the way and not one turned round to try and hunt me down even though i was an easy target. And this happened every round except once where a gk decided to hunt me down.
There's this kind of mutual agreement to not fight enemy cav until the hunting for afks stragglers is done.
There's this kind of mutual agreement to not fight enemy cav until the hunting for afks stragglers is done.
I never thought that angle nerf to be a good one, i wanted small changes like awlpike usable with shield ... but no they didn't remove damage from the awlpike polestagger shotgun, they removed the "can be used with shield" awesome!!! Wow that was one of your worst decissions ever Balancing team!!! well that and ruining sidesword wait that was not a team but Fassadar ...
In the end we are down from bamboo spear 200 "not anymore sheatable" to Awlpike 165 "not usable anymore with shield" to War Spear "for now still usable with shield and sheatable but wait for it" perhaps when we only can us a shortspear or a freakin disgusting looking fork people will notice that this is heading into the wrong direction and yes it has to do with cav, because if they would see more threads out there and the game would be tougher on you guys then only those who are really into the play style and not only the kill grinders would stay playing this class.
lol are you qq because you cant be moving super anty cav spammy shield tank?Would you qq if you wouldn't be able to super sneaky cav backstabbing speedy gonzales bumping into crowds getting unhorsed but then polestagger your way through the crowds? Don't give me this qq shit, not from your high horse.
you wasnt abel to use alwpike with shield that weapon was to heavy and what about bambo spear???
not anymore sheatable because 200 lenght of that
thats not bad balancing by team thats making things proper
I don't know about you guys i can't choose who i will fight but i rather fight against 10 cav then 3 archer or 3 shield...
Btw. i think that there wouldn't be problems with cav if more guys would play supporting roles like pikes, long spears and shit like Crafty, Toms or Kriza are playing... We all want to be heroes... All watched too much of conan or robin hood etc....
Imo you cant play crpg and listen music cause you will get couched instantly...
Cav is not problem, problem is that there is no teamwork...
The elder has spoken!
If it's not a couch within the first 5 seconds of the round GK_Lungy ain't playing.
If it's not a couch every 10 seconds on Siege, etc.
hehe(click to show/hide)
you can also use ashwood pike with a shield kinngrimm
kingrim you cant have best anticav 1hpolearm shield and 1h weapon it wuld be opi don't and i wouldn't have with what i suggested(changes to Awlpike: less dmg, less speed, but usable with shield or introduce a new spear which is around 170, less dmg and slower then others with same range but is going with shield and sheatable)
I remember you runing around with sidesword bambospear huskral round shield andsuper op sidesword, that was easy mode.
lets say with the end of the euipment/spawn phase of one minute.
Since around a month i play everyday 10-16hours again like a long time ago when i finished my gear set.
On a regular bases i count 20-30 on each team in a timespan of 7-8 hours daily.
Tops i counted around 70 cav overall. I am on the flanks with cav remember... i see you guys most of the times but i hope you don't see me always i try to make sure of it.
we always see you, kinn :)
or won't kill many people.
I've tried both 1h and lancer cav. If you play fair you'll be either dead or won't kill many people.
I've tried both 1h and lancer cav. If you play fair you'll be either dead or won't kill many people.War ain't fair. This mod isn't fair. Native isn't fair. Nothing is if we just look at the problems and are not trying to counter/overcome them somehow.
Backstabs are fair, raping someone 2 seconds after they spawn is not. I never spawnraped as lancer and I could kill tons so I can't really agree with you.
after observing sick amounts of spawnraping, I felt compelled to bump this thread : )
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Pic is false, need more cav.
Spawn raping fucks me off something stupid, if you happen to spawn 30 seconds in then you're usually in trouble. If you don't spawn with a lance in your face, you're fighting for your life. One thing i love though, seeing the fuckers go down and being the first ones to die...I once spawned right infront of a lancer holding a longspear in my hand. :mrgreen:
Spawn raping fucks me off something stupid, if you happen to spawn 30 seconds in then you're usually in trouble. If you don't spawn with a lance in your face, you're fighting for your life. One thing i love though, seeing the fuckers go down and being the first ones to die...
Slaughter the peasants, burn the village,
carry off the women, and drink their tears.
Who said anything about rape you sick fuck?! I was going to have them do the dishes!
I literally meant cows. I could have said chicken as well. or, lamas.
I have to say, Torben, that it was quite strange to see you rushing for the enemy spawn, couching people on EU1 last night.
You were kind of contradicting your own thread by your actions there :mrgreen:
-stop killing people that havent moved on their spawn. dont matter if afk or what ever, if they havent moved yet, just let them be.
my first point does not seem to be clear to you -.-Well, there's a thin line there. So you do think it's okay to just rush spawn straight away and kill the ones that move? It's not against the server rules, that is true but I think that is what the majority of people are complaining about. Spawnraping in general, not just killing afk's. And I understand that infantry hates it. You spawn a bit late(maybe because of a shit pc or downloading the map, or even just because you were taking a poop) and you are surrounded by cav. But the person has moved; so for you, Torben, it would be fine to kill them because he moved. (Spawning late is not always the person's foult) However it is indeed the person's foult if they are unaware when spawning and running towards the main fight. It's a difficult thing to adress and I applaud you for trying to improve cav's reputation. If I happen to ride past enemy spawn at 6.10 and I see for example tin can Vincent_Ruth just spawning with his flamberge running unaware towards the infantry fight, then yeah I'm also like fuck I could just couch him and help my team a whole lot because he can kill a lot of my teammates. It's like the damn scene in Saving Private Ryan where they let the German go and later he pops up again to kill them. These days I like to stay around my team's spawn and defend late spawners. Cav do not expect much resistance at the enemy spawn. So that's fun.
its about not attacking people that aren't in game yet, no matter why. I did not attack motionless people at spawn. I do however, often pass the spawn, without attacking afks there though.
if they are on their way however, its of course up to them and their awareness.
dont see a contradiction.
Actually... this reply (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,16078.msg229053.html#msg229053) is way more interesting.
Kinda gives you an insight in the mind of a GK. Funny how the exact same behaviour is still on display every single day on EU1.
thread aint about accusations or hating, pls take that shit elsewhere