fair cav behavior on battle servers

[kinngrimm]

I never thought that angle nerf to be a good one, i wanted small changes like awlpike usable with shield ... but no they didn't remove damage from the awlpike polestagger shotgun, they removed the "can be used with shield" awesome!!! Wow that was one of your worst decissions ever Balancing team!!! well that and ruining sidesword wait that was not a team but Fassadar ...

In the end we are down from bamboo spear 200 "not anymore sheatable" to Awlpike 165 "not usable anymore with shield" to War Spear "for now still usable with shield and sheatable but wait for it" perhaps when we only can us a shortspear or a freakin disgusting looking fork people will notice that this is heading into the wrong direction and yes it has to do with cav, because if they would see more threads out there and the game would be tougher on you guys then only those who are really into the play style and not only the kill grinders would stay playing this class.

[dynamike]

The real fair cav behavior (for lance cav):

Bring a lance only.

If you get dehorsed fight on foot with the lance only and give these poor infantry peasants a chance. I do it all the time, really fun and adds a special kind of challenge 

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Even more satisfactory: if you get the hang of it and can actually beat infantry with your lance on foot. Rage guaranteed! 

[Miracle]

The real fair cav behavior (for lance cav):

Bring a lance only.

If you get dehorsed fight on foot with the lance only and give these poor infantry peasants a chance. I do it all the time, really fun and adds a special kind of challenge 

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Even more satisfactory: if you get the hang of it and can actually beat infantry with your lance on foot. Rage guaranteed! 

I was actually better at fighting on foot with a lance than being on horseback.

[Kafein]

the pic represents the very first stage of the battle where cav get kill hungry and kills afk stragglers. It wasnt the first round, it happened every round. then later kerrigan went "oh why does everyone hate us?"

Now I think you will never get this but I'll try again anyway :

No it doesn't "represents the very first stage of the battle where cav get kill hungry and kills afk stragglers."

That pic means nothing. Nothing. Going that way and being there soon after the round started is one of the very few options for cav on that map. What are we supposed to do exactly ? Wait somewhere ? Do nothing ? Dismount ?

I might ask you why are all infantry being killhungry bastards, rushing to the city, but I wont because I know that's the best option no matter what one wants to do as inf there.

[Idzo]

I would like my fellow horse-lovers to consider a few things I have decided for myself in the last months.  many of these suggestions are easy to follow,  and it would help a lot to up the fun for everyone on the server:

-stop killing people that havent moved on their spawn.  dont matter if afk or what ever,  if they havent moved yet,  just let them be.

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because there are a lot of things that can make one not move for the first few seconds of the game.  the second said person than decides to move,  he is dead.  the cav man on the other hand didnt do anything challenging,  but only made his epeen grow.  which makes him a stupid fuck and he should die a painful death.

-stop rushing into melee fights where u are not needed.

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if 2 or 3 of your inf are banging 1 enemy,  dont go in there,  tk one of youre own by accident,  bump down the other and than get youre horse slashed and your self killed by the real enemy.  you stupid fuck.  aint any better than some gay ranged (archer/xbower/thrower)  shooting away in said situation)

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fuck you too btw : D

-be foreseeing also to the actions of youre fellow cavmen.   

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if you see 2 or three cavs charging one enemy,  dont decide to go in there aswell.  you will get in eachothers way,  hurt eachothers horses or make them rear and therefor easy prey for the enemy

-DO NOT RUN THROUGH TEAMMATES WHEN SPAWNING.

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yes,  it always will happen.  some inf changes direction while you are carefully maneuvering through the masses.  no problem.  but if you just run over every fuckin dude that is between you and youre destination,  you are what?

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a stupid fuck. thats right.

in the end,  it comes down to one thing:  respect.  respect your fellow crpg players,  go around killing and slaying,  dieing and beeing shot,  dehorsed and raped.  but dont be a dick.




one last thing to our wonderful non mounted friends:  there are situations when u will get bumped.  there are situations when u will get tked.  i can assure you that the cavs are just as sorry for this as you guys are when u teamslash,  teamhit and shoot and whatnot.

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and for any inf that never tried riding horses:  there is some weird given thing,  from time to time cav looses control overr there horses,  sliding and glitching and moving about uncontrollably for quite some time.  so if you see a cav crashing through enemies ad friendlies alike,  running into trees and walls,  weildly blocking and hitting and whatever,  you can be sure this poor soul is not in control.  dont hate on him.

please,  anybody who wants something in this post,  i am glad to edit it.  i am just spittballing here.


as this seems to mutate into somekind of guide,  i will quote one of the replies for anyone who wants to know about teamwork:
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This!!
Respect Torben!

This proves my thoughts that you're one out of thousand...
I'm simply delighted with this move... no words that can describe this...  this is what I always insisted for when I was cav....

[BlindGuy]

I abuse now what exactly? And what anyone elses's style of play? You are either delusional or at best very unspecific.
Tbh no clue who you are anyway, but it seems you feel strongly about me sry that i can't give you back some love, you seem to need it clearly.

Kinn: For someone who doesnt know who I am, following me into my teamspeak after strat battles and then GTXting when you dont like being told what a useless cunt you are, you sure got a short memory.

You have no place to complain about anything. Ever.

4 days ago: Two polearmers slashing you infront, I stabbed you DIRECTLY in the back, hit your shield. You are abusive imho in that: You have spotted that shields are clearly still broken, catching hits and ranged attacks that are miles from them, so you maxed out shield skill, effectively nerfed your own STR by doing this (All this is not abusive, THIS is---->) and then complain when you are crushed and ridden over like the agi whore you are: YOU chose this life, it irritates me SO much when I see you run into a friends swing on strat and then complain when they 1hit teamkill you. YOU fucked up, not them, and you got 1hit cause you made a build so you can spam on pub battle. Those were YOUR choises man. You cannot have your cake, and eat it too.


CAV: I never play cavalry anymore, I think you guys have been nerfed a lot, and when you kill any aware guys without a gank, it seems like a miracle. I still enjoy shooting horses, and spearing them, but it feels like a turkey shoot and if there actually IS any cav hate group, its just noobs who have never learnt to play properly. I hope you will be buffed sometime soon, to balance the price.

[kinngrimm]

sry of topic
@BlindGuy

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Kinn: For someone who doesnt know who I am, following me into my teamspeak after strat battles and then GTXting when you dont like being told what a useless cunt you are, you sure got a short memory.

You have no place to complain about anything. Ever.

4 days ago: Two polearmers slashing you infront, I stabbed you DIRECTLY in the back, hit your shield. You are abusive imho in that: You have spotted that shields are clearly still broken, catching hits and ranged attacks that are miles from them, so you maxed out shield skill, effectively nerfed your own STR by doing this (All this is not abusive, THIS is---->) and then complain when you are crushed and ridden over like the agi whore you are: YOU chose this life, it irritates me SO much when I see you run into a friends swing on strat and then complain when they 1hit teamkill you. YOU fucked up, not them, and you got 1hit cause you made a build so you can spam on pub battle. Those were YOUR choises man. You cannot have your cake, and eat it too.

aaaaah i see  Templar_Guy/Yug/BlindGuy well at some point i will have all of your names heared(as it seems all of them have a crudge on me ^^) and all the name calling possible suffered.

The fact that i came to Templar TS to see how to make peace with someone who constantly trolled me on a  strat battle, a dude which i never had a word with before i admit that irritaded me. When i then remembered after your not stopping sensles ranting, that shortly before that Strat Battle i called out some dude on his bs on battle where he was trolling someone else constantly for no apparent reason(not me constantly, well i am target since then), who was called Yug not Guy as you are been referred on TS then i knew where your anger came from. Truth hurts, so i am not mad at you that you try to flame me here a 3rd time, i am more mad at myself getting the attention of someone like you. Those templars i spoke to about you made me feel sorry for you and going out of your way is not fleeing but just trying to have as less contact with a troubled mind as possible, i have enough troubles on my own so i don't need your bs to add to them.

ADMIN/DEVS PLEASE GIVE US CLIENTSIDE PERMAMUTE SO GUYS LIKE ME AND THAT GUY DON'T NEED TO LISTEN TO EACH OTHERS CRAP!(formost as ingame option meanwhile i think for this forum it would be nice to have to , i'll have to check for that)


that people don't hit me has to do with timing, spectate shielders more and see differences, i am not aware that would have to do with high shield skill, i just turn into attack direction before i got hit and i backbaddle in other cases so i don't need to cover that big of an angle. The high shield skill but has great effect onto the durability of my shield and if possible i am a worse manual blocker then you are ;) . That i am able to catch your arrows from miles away is the same fact why most cavs aren't able to backstab me on their own, i am more or less constantly in 360° zoom often even in midfight to check where my own guys as the enemies are.

BTW dude, fuck you, making me waste my time for this stupid shit here.

[Torben]

This!!
Respect Torben!

This proves my thoughts that you're one out of thousand...
I'm simply delighted with this move... no words that can describe this...  this is what I always insisted for when I was cav....

actually someone still posting here concerning the cause and not flaming uselessly around,  NAIS

[Lactose_the_intolerant]

Now I think you will never get this but I'll try again anyway :

No it doesn't "represents the very first stage of the battle where cav get kill hungry and kills afk stragglers."

That pic means nothing. Nothing. Going that way and being there soon after the round started is one of the very few options for cav on that map. What are we supposed to do exactly ? Wait somewhere ? Do nothing ? Dismount ?

I might ask you why are all infantry being killhungry bastards, rushing to the city, but I wont because I know that's the best option no matter what one wants to do as inf there.

er what? do you really think the rush for stragglers and afks are only on this map? this pic could have been taken on many other maps!
what can you do instead? hunt the other cav that rush your spawn?

if we rushing the city, its to get to cover from all cav , staying outside is pure suicide 

ps : iv never seen so much GK hate tonight!!

[Oberyn]

hunt the other cav that rush your spawn?

Yes? My priority number one as cav is other cav. And ranged obviously. Once both of those groups are whittled down, the inf blob has a much easier time of it, and so do you.

[Kafein]

When I'm in the mood for cRPG roulette, I chase other cav. But I usually play for a longer time when I search for unaware enemies instead, and attack cav when I have the advantage (which also depends on lancing skills, and that probably explains why Oberyn actively attacks most cavs and succeeds).

For cav, moving close to the enemy mob at round start and encircling it is a valid strategy, as long as the enemy doesn't shoot down the horses. Just as much as staying close to your mob and protect it is. I often pass by very close to the enemy spawn in my way to the enemy team myself, that doesn't imply I kill the people which are afk at spawn.

For this reason, I do not believe all 6 of these horsemen where there to rush afk people.

[Lactose_the_intolerant]

Yes? My priority number one as cav is other cav. And ranged obviously. Once both of those groups are whittled down, the inf blob has a much easier time of it, and so do you.

well that is nice to see but sadly this isnt how 80% of cav act

I did this 1 cav build lately, still at level 20 i was riding this small rouncey. Going to enemy spawn i would cross 3 or 4 horsemen on the way and not one turned round to try and hunt me down even though i was an easy target. And this happened every round except once where a gk decided to hunt me down.

There's this kind of mutual agreement to not fight enemy cav until the hunting for afks stragglers is done.

[Torben]

well that is nice to see but sadly this isnt how 80% of cav act

I did this 1 cav build lately, still at level 20 i was riding this small rouncey. Going to enemy spawn i would cross 3 or 4 horsemen on the way and not one turned round to try and hunt me down even though i was an easy target. And this happened every round except once where a gk decided to hunt me down.

There's this kind of mutual agreement to not fight enemy cav until the hunting for afks stragglers is done.

not really.  HA always hunt cav first,  often supported by a lancer.  secondly you cant ask a guy on a heavy horse to try and hunt down a courser or an arab. 
Oberyn,  youre horse is perfect to hunt down other cav,  much more than a destrier and up could ever be.

[Oberyn]

There's this kind of mutual agreement to not fight enemy cav until the hunting for afks stragglers is done.

Are you serious? I've seen groups of cav engage other groups of cav first thing literally every round I've played lately.

[Torben]

there is a story about Ernst Udet,  chief of the german luftwaffe in the early nineteen forties,  visiting some infantry post at the eastern front.

a few russian planes managed to attack the ground units,  forcing him to jump face down into the dirt,  and inducing huge intolerant  bitching about his planes not doing their job,  making the other inf grin,  because they saw that he finally understands why they hate the stuck up luftwaffe pilots in there shiny machines with their hero attitudes.

ofc,  they where engaged in dogfights several km above.  but what does that help if ivan is making you eat dirt