What next?
Russia confirmed to destroy Erdogan + Turkey and split Turkey between Greece (Byzantine Empire), Armenia and Kurds (Kurdistan)
Russians are slow learners when it comes to not violating the airspace of another country :rolleyes:Turkey (Erdogan) supports the terrorists, as well as trains them and gets a nice discount on oil. But sure, fuck Russia for intervening and bombing a rapidly spreading terrorist self-proclaimed state that declared Jihad on anyone who's not into stoning. I swear to God, some people have such hatred for Russia that it just clouds their judgement. Thankfully not everyone is like you, even the comments for the youtube video below show it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPmmtrMJyHsdat old video and syrian pilot
fking savages
it could be fake/ old video ofc
dat old video and syrian pilotyeah but still
P.S. apparently i suck at inserting YT videos , but whatever
Turkey (Erdogan) supports the terrorists, as well as trains them and gets a nice discount on oil. But sure, fuck Russia for intervening and bombing a rapidly spreading terrorist self-proclaimed state that declared Jihad on anyone who's not into stoning. I swear to God, some people have such hatred for Russia that it just clouds their judgement. Thankfully not everyone is like you, even the comments for the youtube video below show it.Yes, because Russia needs to invade Turkey's airspace to bomb the terrorists that are nowhere near Turkey's borders, right? Not to mention that whether Russia is bombing "terrorists" or not is highly debatable, many sources say they're not very interested in ISIS...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9UJcX_UVB0
P.S. apparently i suck at inserting YT videos , but whatever
About time. Russia's favorite pastime is invading other countries airspace. They've done this repeatedly to all their neighbors, and to Turkey as well multiple times recently. Maybe they'll start respecting Turkey's airspace from now on.
Russia breaks airspace with all of its neighbours all the time with bombers...infact. Not to mention their battleships always get lost in someone elses waters too. And than Kremlin has the balls to yell at someone elses face when their tiny fishingboat or passgenger plane gets legimately lost in their borders once a year. Finally someone did something about it.Not just ships and airplanes, their special forces sometimes get lost 50km into Ukraine on exercises... someone really oughta teach the Russian military how maps work.
Turkey (Erdogan) supports the terrorists, as well as trains them and gets a nice discount on oil. But sure, fuck Russia for intervening and bombing a rapidly spreading terrorist self-proclaimed state that declared Jihad on anyone who's not into stoning. I swear to God, some people have such hatred for Russia that it just clouds their judgement. Thankfully not everyone is like you, even the comments for the youtube video below show it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9UJcX_UVB0
P.S. apparently i suck at inserting YT videos , but whatever
If Russia and Turkey duke it out, US has to come regardless, due to prior Alliance treaty.
""It's very much the last thing that's needed right now, especially in the aftermath of the Paris attacks, when there was hope that Russia could form an alliance with France and with the United States against ISIS," Gohel said. "This is going to complicate things. This is going to add unnecessary tensions that really weren't required at this critical juncture.""I think it's no coincidence that it's just when Russia was about to form an alliance with the west that Trukey prefers to spread more tensions, they would have no benefits in Russia and Europe being more close together.
Sure Russia violated the airspace but that happens almsot everytime you make a jet fly.Wat?
Sure Russia violated the airspace but that happens almsot everytime you make a war plane fly
ps: better?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPmmtrMJyHswhat a fool to believe that Turks are arabs..Looks like you are not the only one. Appears from the comments..
fking savages
it could be fake/ old video ofc
what a fool to believe that Turks are arabs..Looks like you are not the only one. Appears from the comments..Turks are arabs.
gg wp tho
Lets hope that the Pilots are safe atleast
Overall, modern Turks are most related to neighbouring West Asian populations.
Turks are arabs.
Wikipedia . Ok .Truth hurts, doesn't it? :)
Truth hurts, doesn't it? :)Once you get involved with science and history you will see how nobody will take you seriously when you say your source is wikipedia . You will be kicked out immidiately
There's also NATO to consider. Turkey is a member after all.
"NATO Vows Military Support If Turkey Goes To War With Russia"
Not some PR guy either, but NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/12/us-mideast-crisis-turkey-nato-idUSKCN0S61DU20151012
http://www.mintpressnews.com/nato-vows-military-support-if-turkey-goes-to-war-with-russia/210311/
Coming soon, to a Turkey near you:Thought you could try harder. Looks like that is it from you.
Thought you could try harder. Looks like that is it from you.Mad because I proved Turks are Arabs? It's ok, everyone else thought Wikipedia was really unreliable 15 years ago too... you're only that much behind the times!
Why so many Ruskies visit Turkey? I get why those "Germans" visit, they are Turks after all...Cheap flights and resorts. Always disliked these Arabs, they want Crimea back!
Mad because I proved Turks are Arabs? It's ok, everyone else thought Wikipedia was really unreliable 15 years ago too... you're only that much behind the times!I can only laugh at this comment of yours .
Why so many Ruskies visit Turkey? I get why those "Germans" visit, they are Turks after all...Cheap Holiday
Why so many Ruskies visit Turkey? I get why those "Germans" visit, they are Turks after all...
Cheap HolidayArabs have always provided cheap holidays, yes.
After the russian plane explosion in Egypt... I guess no one wants russian tourists anymore :cry:
Russia is trying hard to get along with Europe and just when major European forces (like Germany or France) start thinking how being an ally with Russia is a good idea, USA intervenes and breaks that bond. Though luck Ruskies, learn to play this game a bit better.
Turkey (Erdogan) supports the terrorists, as well as trains them and gets a nice discount on oil. But sure, fuck Russia for intervening and bombing a rapidly spreading terrorist self-proclaimed state that declared Jihad on anyone who's not into stoning. I swear to God, some people have such hatred for Russia that it just clouds their judgement. Thankfully not everyone is like you, even the comments for the youtube video below show it.remove the s from https
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9UJcX_UVB0
P.S. apparently i suck at inserting YT videos , but whatever
Now we know what happened to the Russian Pilots...
You can clearly see at least one is alive while he descends to the ground.
Fucking muslims.
US officials say that the plane was only in Turkey for "seconds" so idk what that means. However when the missle was launched the plane was .62 miles inside the border. Shooting down a plane is more or less an act of war because plane violate different countries airspaces all the time. Turkey did it over 2000 times in 2014 to Greece. US forces will not support Turkey either so lets all hope that Constantinople is retaken.How about some sources for these various claims?
on the other video the russian pilots had white parachutes, this guy has red one. is it really him/them?
They shot down the rescue helicopter searching for the downed pilots too?
They shot down the rescue helicopter searching for the downed pilots too?not turkey but rebels, it was empty already
They shot down the rescue helicopter searching for the downed pilots too?
Looks like the FSA blew up russian rescue helicopter which already was landed on the ground... Using a TOW Missile build and delivered to FSA rebels by Obama.yep 1 died and all others retuned to base https://twitter.com/Ibra_Joudeh/status/669207777420668928/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
https://www.rt.com/news/323306-video-russia-helicopter-syria/
Russia should send tons of boots on the ground and blitzkrieg the rebels and ISIS and then martial law the whole country and Gestapo the fuck out of every house.
Looks like the FSA blew up russian rescue helicopter which already was landed on the ground... Using a TOW Missile built and delivered to FSA rebels by Obama Administration.At 0:38 in the video... that symbol on the control panel...
https://www.rt.com/news/323306-video-russia-helicopter-syria/
This is the muslim scum the U.S. has been arming, training and supporting in hopes of toppling Assad regime.
I see no difference between them an ISIS other than the fact they wear different fatigues.
At least now the whole world will start to see the U.S. has a warped goal in arming FSA rebels rather than treating them for what they are... More islamic extremists that share many of the same goals as ISIS.
Now we know what happened to the Russian Pilots...
You can clearly see at least one is alive while he descends to the ground.
Fucking muslims.
dat old video and syrian pilot
Just send a nuke to mecca every year during the pilgrimage.
The nasty thing is that they died because of Turkey basically... They were already lucky to have survived the missile strike, but then this.They died because of Turkey? No?! Say it ain't so! Usually shooting missiles at people only has good consequences!
How about some sources for these various claims?http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/24/middleeast/warplane-crashes-near-syria-turkey-border/index.html
Turkey has warned Russia it has every right to retaliate and take necessary measures in the event its border security is threatened as a result of the Russian military’s operations targeting civilian Turkmen Syrians on the Turkish-Syrian border.
The warning was conveyed to Russian Ambassador to Turkey Andrei Karlov on Nov. 19, as he was summoned to the Foreign Ministry in reaction to Russian air strikes on Turkmen villages in northwestern Syria only a few kilometers from the Turkish border, daily Hürriyet has learned from reliable sources.
Assad in efforts to open a corridor to Idlib
In response to Turkey’s statements, Russian diplomatic and military sources argued the targets of their operations were terrorist groups and they did not conduct attacks on Turkmens.
However, according to assessments by counties in the U.S.-led coalition, Russia and Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s regime were trying to open a corridor to Idlib, a northern city under the control of a coalition of opposition forces. Attacks being carried out around Jisr al-Shughur, a northern Syrian town only 20 kilometers from the Turkish border, aimed to take control of this very strategic spot to reach Idlib, the assessments indicated.
The Moscow-Damascus duo was trying to increase the area under their influence before the ceasefire to be implemented on Jan 1, 2016, according to the coalition countries. They believed al-Assad is trying to strengthen his authority in areas under his control and at the same establish a buffer zone around the enclave he is ruling.
This is the muslim scum the U.S. has been arming, training and supporting in hopes of toppling Assad regime.
I see no difference between them an ISIS other than the fact they wear different fatigues.
At least now the whole world will start to see the U.S. has a warped goal in arming FSA rebels rather than treating them for what they are... More islamic extremists that share many of the same goals as ISIS.
Russias planes getting lost in some territory they shouldnt be, happens all the freaking time. NATO fighters near a base in my country keep flying almost weekly to escort another lost motherlands bomber. If I didnt know any better, they are doing it on purpose, to pretend like they have some moral high ground when their stupid ass plane actually ends up getting shot. Like now. Once again their drunk pilots just dont give a shit and fly randomly everywhere and now its everybody elses fault an actual accident happened this time. Bitch please. Who are they trying to convince that its not their fault? Belarussia?each of your new post does not bring anything new, I am sure you will die with the same words, without seeing the attack treacherous Russian
I quite often think about wtf are those russian pilots thinking back at their base. I mean, this shit happens so often, I get the impression they are playing the "dare" game and laughing about it loudly whenever they get back to base. "So comrad Igor, bottle of vodka, if you fly into NATO territory and not make WWIII". To which comrad Igor immediately puts on his helmet and flies away. Because their officials dont really give a crap and neither does Kremlin. Everything is fine, if Igor gets back to base and the motherlands jet is unharmed, even if it broke like 6 country borders.
each of your new post does not bring anything new, I am sure you will die with the same words, without seeing the attack treacherous Russian
Russias planes getting lost in some territory they shouldnt be, happens all the freaking time. NATO fighters near a base in my country keep flying almost weekly to escort another lost motherlands bomber. If I didnt know any better, they are doing it on purpose, to pretend like they have some moral high ground when their stupid ass plane actually ends up getting shot. Like now. Once again their drunk pilots just dont give a shit and fly randomly everywhere and now its everybody elses fault an actual accident happened this time. Bitch please. Who are they trying to convince that its not their fault? Belarussia?
I quite often think about wtf are those russian pilots thinking back at their base. I mean, this shit happens so often, I get the impression they are playing the "dare" game and laughing about it loudly whenever they get back to base. "So comrad Igor, bottle of vodka, if you fly into NATO territory and not make WWIII". To which comrad Igor immediately puts on his helmet and flies away. Because their officials dont really give a crap and neither does Kremlin. Everything is fine, if Igor gets back to base and the motherlands jet is unharmed, even if it broke like 6 country borders.
From another article about the buildup to this, Turkey warned Russia a few days ago about bombing Turkmen villages on their border:
Oh please... Turkey isn't doing this because of national defense of their borders...
They are doing it because of Russia recently started bombing all the oil going from ISIS into Turkey.
Now Turkey isn't getting the oil from ISIS and they are pissed because they are losing out on millions, potentially billions of dollars from the destruction of their ISIS muslim brothers.
I feel sorry for the Russian pilots. But this is what happens when you lie constantly, and then cover up it up with more lies. The Turkish government summoned the Russian ambassador in October and gave out a strict warning which was mostly laughed off by the Kremlin. Flying over and violating Turkish airspace undermines Turkey's credibility and makes Turkey appear weak, that's exactly why they do it.Cause, while you're busy fighting a very-well financed and large force that has a very catchy "allahu akhbar!" motto, it's extremely important to keep track of what's really urgent and waste money, fuel, time and resources just to make a certain country appear "weak". Lol come on, think.
each of your new post does not bring anything new, I am sure you will die with the same words, without seeing the attack treacherous Russian
Cause, while you're busy fighting a very-well financed and large force that has a very catchy "allahu akhbar!" motto, it's extremely important to keep track of what's really urgent and waste money, fuel, time and resources just to make a certain country appear "weak". Lol come on, think.
What this might be really about though is that Russia's been substantially disrupting the Isis-Turkey oil exchange, which allegedly is controlled by Erdogans beloved son.
But don't mind me, believe whatever you want. Those pesky daredevil Russian pilots got what they deserved for flying over Turkey (which, btw, isn't even a sure thing to claim, even Pentagon with their obvious bias are waiting on this before making any statements).
In any case, i actually tend to agree with Leshma on the topic of Russia's response. I think it won't be as obvious and dramatic in terms of publicity and media coverage. One of the more believable (to me, at least) ways to get back at Turkey for this might be that Russia will start supporting Kurds, either with providing them with weapons and finances or diplomatically, maybe both.
Russia is more interested in manipulating the Oil economy than the United States is. Russia is dependent on exporting oil, the United States is not. A pipeline through Syria into Turkey is bad business for Russian interests, but will have no effect on the US either way. I find it hilarious that these oil accusations come from a country who's economy is 90% dependent on manipulating the oil market to export oil to Europe at a higher cost, especially when the US has been bombing these oil depots, refineries and trucks for years.I'm glad we both can at least agree that your previous statement was nonsensical now that you're diverting to your views on global economy. Oh and where did i mention the U.S. ?
I'm glad we both can at least agree that your previous statement was nonsensical now that you're diverting to your views on global economy. Oh and where did i mention the U.S. ?
So what, proves absolutely nothing. The US Air Force destroyed over 300 ISIS oil trucks and a refinery last week. The only difference is we gave the truck drivers (who were probably forced to run the oil) a warning and a chance to run for their lives before we dropped the bombs.
Oh please... Turkey isn't doing this because of national defense of their borders...
They are doing it because of Russia recently started bombing all the oil going from ISIS into Turkey.
Now Turkey isn't getting the oil from ISIS and they are pissed because they are losing out on millions, potentially billions of dollars from the destruction of their ISIS muslim brothers.
On 23 March 2014, one MiG-23 was shot down by a Turkish Air Force F-16, when it allegedly entered Turkish air space during a ground attack mission against Al Qaeda-linked insurgents.[73] The pilot ejected and managed to return to a Syrian Army checkpoint and denies violating Turkish air space. The plane crashed one kilometer inside the Syrian side
On 16 May 2015, two Turkish F-16s shot down a Syrian Mohajer 4 UAV firing two AIM-9 missiles after it trespassed into Turkish airspace for 5 minutes. Witnesses on the ground reported seeing the target after being hit by the chasing F-16s breaking in three before crashing on the Syrian side of the border. Initially Turkey claimed it was an helicopter, but later confirmed it was an UAV.
Please source your facts that we destroyed 300 trucks in a week.
Also, Russia did the same thing dropping leaflets and telling all truck drivers to abandon vehicles and run... That's why you see in the video none of the trucks are mobile.
Maybe you read the articles about russia bombing oil trucks and assumed it was america?
Only bombing I heard US doing lately was on a single refinery which was repaired an in use in less than a month after they struck it... Which was shortly before russia started going after the oil tanker trucks.
russia gonna get some nice turkey for thanksgiving
Russia should send tons of boots on the ground and blitzkrieg the rebels and ISIS and then martial law the whole country and Gestapo the fuck out of every house.
https://www.rt.com/usa/322330-isis-oil-trucks-destroyed/
I mean the number of trucks destroyed is irrelevant. They run their territory like the mafia. I'm sure if you were one of the 8+ million people living under the ISIS caliphate you would smuggle oil across the border for them too. You'd also be praying some shady Turkish guy who doesn't give a shit where it came from bought it from you, so you can bring the money back so ISIS doesn't kill your family.
remove the s from https
It's a bloody desert, not worth it. Only Jews were desperate enough and blinded by their own religion to try turning desert into a decent place to live. They did mighty fine job, but don't see Russians or anybody else attempting the same. Why would they, when they have plenty of land that is far better than anything middle east has to offer?
Not even Turks want to live in them sand mountains, when they have those nice coastal cities and of course Istanbul.
I prefer deserts over cold, forresty land. Plus UAE is looking good.
I don't. Cold places tend to get a bit warmer during the year, you can grow some cultures and hunt wild animals. Desert is bunch of sand, devoid of farm animals with occasional pockets of green and water. Dead and dry terrain that is spreading, threatening to turn Earth into Mars one day.
UAE is fake shit. Once oil runs dry it will collapse.
So, do we know for how long that Russian plane was inside Turkey's airspace? To me it really sounds like Turkey was itching to shoot them down and jumped at the first excuse.
So, do we know for how long that Russian plane was inside Turkey's airspace? To me it really sounds like Turkey was itching to shoot them down and jumped at the first excuse.
Why the hate about shooting at parachuted pilots though? I can understand that this is a dick move, but try parachuting into your enemy's territory and talk me later about how shit went down.Because it's a warcrime. Shooting paratroopers is allowed, but shooting someone parachuting as a result of having their aircraft disabled/destroyed/malfunctioned is not.
Turkish version of the events:Turkey pilot "Allah akbar, allah akbar, allah akbar, allah akbar, allah akbar, allah akbar, allah akbar, allah akbar, allah akbar, allah akbar"
"Two aircraft whose nationalities were unknown had approached Turkish airspace near the town of Yayladagi in Hatay province.
The planes were warned 10 times over the space of five minutes via an "emergency" channel and asked to change direction.
Because it's a warcrime. Shooting paratroopers is allowed, but shooting someone parachuting as a result of having their aircraft disabled/destroyed/malfunctioned is not.
Because it's a warcrime. Shooting paratroopers is allowed, but shooting someone parachuting as a result of having their aircraft disabled/destroyed/malfunctioned is not.Whether it's morally wrong or not is another question. Say they'd been bombing targets ("infantry" or whatever you want to call the mob) on the ground, those targets have no way to fight back and just have to endure it. The pilots won't stop their attacks just because it's unfair and they're at no risk. Why then should they receive the courtesy of not being shot at when they're vulnerable and can't fight back?
Ofc, nobody expects arabs to follow any kind of laws, so it's not a surprise.
EDIT: Changed plane to aircraft.
Whether it's morally wrong or not is another question. Say they'd been bombing targets ("infantry" or whatever you want to call the mob) on the ground, those targets have no way to fight back and just have to endure it. The pilots won't stop their attacks just because it's unfair and they're at no risk. Why then should they receive the courtesy of not being shot at when they're vulnerable and can't fight back?
Attacking people parachuting from an aircraft in distress is a war crime under Protocol I in addition to the 1949 Geneva Conventions. However, it is not prohibited under this Protocol to open fire on airborne troops who are descending by parachutes, even if their aircraft is in distress.
And? Who cares if it's a war crime?
And? Who cares if it's a war crime?Russia most likely :P
Russia most likely :PYes, Russia is going to kill them twice, nay, thrice, more dead than it would have if they'd killed the pilots in a Gentlemanly And Noble Way In Accordance With The Geneva-Who-Cares-Convention.
Geneva convention is rubbish, no one is sticking to those rules of warfare. The only rule in war is there's no rules.Except it's not? While it's still too many countries ignoring specific parts and letting incidents go unpunished; it's a massive difference between post Geneva convention warfare and before.
Geneva convention is rubbish, no one is sticking to those rules of warfare. The only rule in war is there's no rules.Yes, anyone can look up how many people have actually gotten indicted. US, Israel, Russia etc don't even accept ICC jurisdiction over their nationals. It's a joke.
Except it's not? While it's still too many countries ignoring specific parts and letting incidents go unpunished; it's a massive difference between post Geneva convention warfare and before.There is a massive difference? Howso?
Like use of chemical weapons, to name the most obvious.Only because there are no reasons to use chemical weapons.
Geneva rules works as long as most people agree to them. Call it warfare peer pressure.
Except it's not? While it's still too many countries ignoring specific parts and letting incidents go unpunished; it's a massive difference between post Geneva convention warfare and before.
I doubt the Turkomen who shot the pilot have ever even heard of the Geneva convention. These are mostly former civilians who took up arms against their government and not professional soldiers. It's sad what happened to the Russian pilots but they're involved in a brutal war with every side committing atrocities.According to the Turkomen, they were bombed by those planes just prior to them being shot down. Why on Earth would a reasonable person expect them to hold fire when the pilot is parachuting considering that same pilot was fine bombing them (killing their friends, trying to kill them) from safety just moments ago?
Red cross/crescent for starters.What about Red cross?
Then we got PoW treatment, the requirements of uniform, interference by non-interested parties to prevent human suffering (bosnian war and shitting on the bosnian serbs), anything related to non-related countries citizens caught in the war zone.
And let's not forget how looting, raiding and pillaging is practically non-existant in modern war. (Yes, I know rebels/guerrillas still loot&raid, but going from "every soldier, everywhere, ever loots, at any possible opportunity" to "certain small, underfunded and desperate groups does it, when they can" is a fucking gigantic change)
The application of the Geneva Conventions to the 2014 conflict in the Ukraine (Crimea) is a troublesome problem because some of the personnel who engaged in combat against the Ukrainians were not identified by insignia, although they did wear military-style fatigues.[40] American pilots in Operation Southern Watch were documented to bear no insignia, so as to gain some illusory intelligence advantage.[40]
Red cross/crescent for starters.
Then we got PoW treatment, the requirements of uniform, interference by non-interested parties to prevent human suffering (bosnian war and shitting on the bosnian serbs), anything related to non-related countries citizens caught in the war zone.
And let's not forget how looting, raiding and pillaging is practically non-existant in modern war. (Yes, I know rebels/guerrillas still loot&raid, but going from "every soldier, everywhere, ever loots, at any possible opportunity" to "certain small, underfunded and desperate groups does it, when they can" is a fucking gigantic change)
Two options:
1) The Geneva convention changed NOTHING and affected the world NOT ONE BIT and EVERYTHING would be EXACTLY the same.
2) The Geneva convention changed the world in some way.
I know you're an intelligent man Xant, you know which one is true.
As to the DEGREE in which it changed, yeah it didn't make everything sunshine, roses and unicorn farts. I shouldn't have said it was a "massive" change, but a change it was.
And yes, ofc it gets broken all the time. But that's the thing. Parts of it gets broken, all over the place, by various factions. But the majority of it is followed by a majority of anyone fighting. The pro-russian insurgents in ukraine doesn't use uniforms? Doesn't mean that every nation (and a lot of paramilitary or rebel/guerrillas) now has official uniforms to mark them as combatants.
US troops torture prisoners? Yeah, they do, UNLIKE the vast majority of countries.
They made rules, some people break them. Most don't. And I don't know about you, but do you think there would be MORE or LESS actions done that we consider war crimes if we never had made any agreements on what is/isn't a war crime?
When they do this they turn off their transponders so they don't show up on radar and have had several near misses with commercial airlines when doing so. In this incident it's clear that they were utilizing Turkish airspace to conduct a bombing mission. There was no way to tell whether this was a Syrian or Russian aircraft with it's transponder turned off, and the aircraft had been firing into areas not controlled by ISIS on the Syrian side and had been warned multiple times not to roundabout through Turkish airspace to re-enter that area. This was clearly a case of the Russians saying fuck you, we do what we want gone wrong.prove it
prove it
There was nothing even indicating that the aircraft they downed was Russian. They probably thought it was a Syrian aircraft, and killed the pilot. His transponder was turned off, and Syrian aircraft have been shot down doing the same thing before, flying the same aircraft. Most countries don't let an unidentified aircraft fly into their territory so it can crash into a commercial airline or drop a bomb on their homeland by accident. 7 seconds is a long time when they are traveling 2000 mph.Good points, but why is this in response to me?
The world took the path of Geneva convention and more restrained warfare already in 1949. It's hard to argue in exactly what way the world would be different had it taken another path, mostly because it's a reality nobody ever experienced. The best we can do is imaginary "what if" scenarios.And then we also got the "these things improved, but is that because of Geneva convention, how warfare being fought changing, globalism, different ethics/morales etc. Too many variables
According to generational theory (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss%E2%80%93Howe_generational_theory) we're going to live through world crisis in next 20 years. Although it's controversial and not proven, the planet gets more and more fucked up with every piece of news.
There was nothing even indicating that the aircraft they downed was Russian. They probably thought it was a Syrian aircraft, and killed the pilot. His transponder was turned off, and Syrian aircraft have been shot down doing the same thing before, flying the same aircraft. Most countries don't let an unidentified aircraft fly into their territory so it can crash into a commercial airline or drop a bomb on their homeland by accident. 7 seconds is a long time when they are traveling 2000 mph.
If that was true then how did they warn the pilot a bunch of times that he was entering airpsace?
They warned him in Arabic because they thought it was a syrian aircraft?
Pretty sure they knew it was a russian aircraft, they probably track all aircraft in syria near their borders and could tell it was russian simply by its point of origin being a russian airbase within Syria.
And as has already been stated on this thread, Turkish aircraft have violated its neighbors airspace many of times and never got shot down...
What most countries do is they scramble fighter jets, the fighter jets attempt to hail the aircraft multiple times, if this does not work the scrambled jets fly on both sides of the intruding aircraft and either fire their machine guns off into the air or roll their aircraft back and fourth which is a universal signal that you are being intercepted and the intruding aircraft should then roll back and fourth to acknowledge this and usually signify that they are going to follow the intercept aircraft back to an aircraft landing... If after all this the intercepted aircraft does not respond and continues to fly deeper into a countries airspace then it is shot down.
When two countries aren't at war, they don't sit there with their fingers on the trigger ready to blow any plane out of the sky the moment they cross into their airspace. Of course Turkey is mad because Russia is bombing the FSA rebel scum they have been arming while also bombing ISIS.
What's an even bigger joke? The notion that there are "war crimes." As if war is like soccer, a game, with rules and punishments. As if it's a gentlemanly and reasonable affair. War is already the ultimate escalation and has the ultimate consequence, death, for its participants. It's like making up rules for murder; you're both implying murder is fine as long as you follow the rules and that the murderer will care about rules once they've decided to kill someone.
No it's dumb as fuck. ISIS doesn't have an airforce and he was flying at close to maximum altitude. They use encrypted modes to trick the ground IFF radar so they can't pinpoint their direction or route to avoid a lock on which is why they took him out with a onboard radar guided missile.
The russian bomber wasn't flying at even half of its maximum altitude of 17,500m...
You are just pulling this shit out of thin air.
The radar tracking the aircraft can either see the aircraft on radar or it can't there is no tricking it so you can't see it's direction. Only commercial aircraft tracking relies on transponders to visibly see an aircraft. Military radar does not rely on transponders, this is why militarys around the world develop stealth jets and helicopters by manipulating materials used and the angles/edges of the aircraft to reduce it's profile on radar. Turkey had the aircraft visible on it's radar, that's how they knew it was coming into their airspace... You note its location, wait 10 seconds and view its location again and you have a general bearing on the direction of the aircraft this is the utmost basic principle of navigation, this is especially easy to tell the direction of an aircraft when it continues to fly in a straight line for a long distance, as the russian bomber was doing before it crossed into turkish airspace for 17 seconds and was blown out of the sky.
It will be hilarious :lol:
USA would probably kick Greece from NATO, calling them Russian pawns or something like that. Beauchamp, being poor Czech hating on everything Greek and Russian would be happy I guess.
It will be hilarious :lol:
USA would probably kick Greece from NATO, calling them Russian pawns or something like that. Beauchamp, being poor Czech hating on everything Greek and Russian would be happy I guess.
Hahahahaha
[A]llah akbar
I'm guessing that's the area where the pilot was shot down. By now most of them are probably either relocated somewhere else or just crossed the border. In any case, good to know that they're scared shitless. Just make sure you shout "Allahu akbar" (and apparently they also love salami, well who doesn't) enough times before you get roasted, them virgins are waiting.
[A]llah akbar
I'm guessing that's the area where the pilot was shot down. By now most of them are probably either relocated somewhere else or just crossed the border. In any case, good to know that they're scared shitless. Just make sure you shout "Allahu akbar" (and apparently they also love salami, well who doesn't) enough times before you get roasted, them virgins are waiting.
it was reported by russian military that there was various terrorist groups searching for pilot and as soon as he was extracted, bombing and shelling of that area has begun, confirmed that most of the terrorists dead.Russia str0nk )))
C400 systems delivered by plane and deployed, we'll see if anyone will try to approach russian planes now. And i think that means that Kurds can no longer be bombed by Turkey, since this systems cover all of the syria and 200km into turkey territory.
If any of the terrorists from the video survived, they will be assassinated sooner or later no matter where they are. Like it happened in the past after chechen wars.
Now need some popcorn, a beer and some idiot trying to take on another russian bomber.
C400 systems delivered by plane and deployed, we'll see if anyone will try to approach russian planes now. And i think that means that Kurds can no longer be bombed by Turkey, since this systems cover all of the syria and 200km into turkey territory.
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So far I am actually very pleased with my governments patient reaction to this provocation commited by the turkish batshit crazy leadership with aspirations to restore the Osman Empire at the cost of destroying Syria. Russia won't do anything irrational, but it will continue the mission in Syria, but from now on, with "allies" (and we were allies in that region, this IS a backstab) like this, the bombers won't be flying without the fighters support + the s400 system.(click to show/hide)
The region filled with terrorists where our pilot was shot to death is already a nice piece of deep fried wasteland. On top of that, Russia will continue disrupting the ISIS-Turkey oil trade, as well destroying "humanitarian" convoys (already happening) crossing the border.
On top of that, we will most probably cancel the atomic power plant construction in Turkey (which, btw, Russia was doing at it's OWN expenses) and freeze the Turkey Stream gas project.
This just in - lmao, as soon as Russia announced that the aforementioned projects are being canceled, that son of a dog Erdogan did a complete 180 and NOW he wants to meet with Putin, even though earlier he stated that he's not gonna apologize and that Turkey did no wrong. No surprise there, he made a hysterical decision, poked at Russia in order to try and escalate a conflict and ran away to Nato, but his allies had enough of his shit and said "it's between you and Russia, we want nothing to do with this".
I know that many turkish citizens are euphoric right now, cause you think "WE SHOWED THEM", "Turkey stronk, Russia weak" etc, I know many of you cherish the idea of a restored Turkish Empire just like your leadership does, but you're in for a rude awakening. There will be no war, but there will be retaliation.
[...]Russia won't do anything irrational[...]
[...]Russia won't do anything irrational[...]
[...]Russia won't do anything irrational[...]
[...]Russia won't do anything irrational[...]After Crimea, Russia is the god damn definition of irrational, dude :lol:
The Russians want to label everyone who opposes Assad as ISIS. If we went on a killing rampage in the region killing everyone who snackbars there wouldn't be anything left. Those Syrian Turkmen might be snackbarring but they aren't snackbarring for ISIS. Erdogan doesn't want another 8 million Syrian refugees and I don't blame him.Bwahahahaahaha you are delusional. Turkey makes a huge profit by literally blackmailing Europe, Turkish mafia controls the refugee flow into Europe. Remember those what, 3.5 billion bucks Europe gave Turkey to build camps AND on top of that gave Turkey visa benefits? And Erdogan, like the bandit he is, keeps blackmailing Europe and asking for more, threatening (he is sugarcoating it of course) to increase the flow. I know i'm preaching to the wrong choir here, but get some facts straight, come on.
Russia can never be humble and admit they messed up, instead they have to escalate the situation with threats and further useless deployments.
Bwahahahaahaha you are delusional. Turkey makes a huge profit by literally blackmailing Europe, Turkish mafia controls the refugee flow into Europe. Remember those what, 3.5 billion bucks Europe gave Turkey to build camps AND on top of that give Turkey visa benefits? And Erdogan, like a bandit he is, keeps blackmailing Europe and ask for more, threatening (he is sugarcoating it of course) to increase the flow. I know i'm preaching to the wrong choir here, but get some facts straight, come on.
So far I am actually very pleased with my governments patient reaction to this provocation commited by the turkish batshit crazy leadership with aspirations to restore the Osman Empire at the cost of destroying Syria.That's the funny part -- one country with batshit crazy leadership with aspirations to restore the Osman Empire and another country with crazy leadership with aspirations to restore the Soviet Union.
So far I am actually very pleased with my governments patient reaction to this provocation commited by the turkish batshit crazy leadership with aspirations to restore the Osman Empire at the cost of destroying Syria. Russia won't do anything irrational, but it will continue the mission in Syria, but from now on, with "allies" (and we were allies in that region, this IS a backstab) like this, the bombers won't be flying without the fighters support + the s400 system.(click to show/hide)
The region filled with terrorists where our pilot was shot to death is already a nice piece of deep fried wasteland. On top of that, Russia will continue disrupting the ISIS-Turkey oil trade, as well destroying "humanitarian" convoys (already happening) crossing the border.
On top of that, we will most probably cancel the atomic power plant construction in Turkey (which, btw, Russia was doing at it's OWN expenses) and freeze the Turkey Stream gas project.
This just in - lmao, as soon as Russia announced that the aforementioned projects are being canceled, that son of a dog Erdogan did a complete 180 and NOW he wants to meet with Putin, even though earlier he stated that he's not gonna apologize and that Turkey did no wrong. No surprise there, he made a hysterical decision, poked at Russia in order to try and escalate a conflict and ran away to Nato, but his allies had enough of his shit and said "it's between you and Russia, we want nothing to do with this".
I know that many turkish citizens are euphoric right now, cause you think "WE SHOWED THEM", "Turkey stronk, Russia weak" etc, I know many of you cherish the idea of a restored Turkish Empire just like your leadership does, but you're in for a rude awakening. There will be no war, but there will be retaliation.
Just accept that Putin isn't the macho man he made himself out to be, he is just a 5'5 man-midget with a inferiority complex. Erdogan has already said he will continue to shoot down any aircraft violating Turkish airspace. :lol:
That's the funny part -- one country with batshit crazy leadership with aspirations to restore the Osman Empire and another country with crazy leadership with aspirations to restore the Soviet Union.A popular opinion. Surprisingly, it's more popular outside of Russia than here. I could try going into details and explain the difference between spheres of interests and crazy imperial aspirations, but i guess there's no point.
After Crimea, Russia is the god damn definition of irrational, dude :lol:
In the end it comes down to this: Russia is crawling forward, if slowly, in its evolution towards a civilized country. Turkey, on the other hand, is trying its best to go back to the 11th century. So if it comes to war, I know which side I'll be cheering for.I can agree with that.
What do you think NATO (USA) will do if Russia really strike Turkish bombers from Mediterranean, would that be enough for them to intervene and potentially start WWIII? Or we'll see similar scenario like in Ukraine, sanctions and threats but no real actions?
A popular opinion. Surprisingly, it's more popular outside of Russia than here. I could try going into details and explain the difference between spheres of interests and crazy imperial aspirations, but i guess there's no point.
Is Grytviken actually trolling with the 'USA USA' shit or is he serious? I can't tell anymore. He's doing a pretty good job.
Usually when a dictator or authoritarian figure starts killing their own people in cold blood you stop supporting himRegrettably it's usually the opposite. US foreign policy since 1945 is a good example, supporting one brutal, hated dictator after the other.
Regrettably it's usually the opposite. US foreign policy since 1945 is a good example, supporting one brutal, hated dictator after the other.
Regrettably it's usually the opposite. US foreign policy since 1945 is a good example, supporting one brutal, hated dictator after the other.
In the end it comes down to this: Russia is crawling forward, if slowly, in its evolution towards a civilized country. Turkey, on the other hand, is trying its best to go back to the 11th century. So if it comes to war, I know which side I'll be cheering for.
like this http://www.globalresearch.ca/a-timeline-of-cia-atrocities/5348804
))) USA and Canada took a lot of banderas and other run away fascists in their countries right after ww2. I guess they had their purpose.
BTW if u think this is all fictional, even obama stated recently that it was a bad idea to remove ELECTED democratic leader from Iran in the past.
In my country moldova they changed government by sending just one rich man :) They didn't even fucking send Nuland, they mistreated us.
And recently due to leaders of the coalition in power in moldova stealing 1 bil dollars from national bank and almost collapsing whats left of economy. In parlament they pushed and won vote for re-election, to get rid of our shit president! And then US ambassador in moldova said that its a bad idea for president to change and that US government not supportive of that. In public. It was all over local news :))))
How the fuck is that possible that ambassador of another country is involved in internal affairs of another country. Ah yes Ukraine. ))
And the guy who made that website https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Chossudovsky#Criticism also thinks that Slobodan Milošević was framed by the CIA. lmao. Let's see him write a list of KGB atrocities, I bet you'd need more than one page for that. You somehow think that the USA's shortcomings give credibility to Russia, one thing has nothing to do with the other.
After destroying the entire economy of Eastern Europe I find it hilarious how anyone can look to Russia for inspiration. Canada has less than 1/10th the population of Russia and has a much stronger economy and GDP, how does that work?
This is just one of the websites, he didn't write it probably. + this is just sums up some of the things. Read this if u want
https://uglyrumors.wordpress.com/2014/05/11/ukraine-nightingale-and-mockingbird/
but i don't recommend to u because it seams like u have a bag on ur head.
I would be interested of your view of the situation as an insider.
Certainly Russia is very anxious to regain it's former status as a great power.
I wager a return to the past economic system doesn't sound sweet to those who remember how it was though.
Regrettably it's usually the opposite. US foreign policy since 1945 is a good example, supporting one brutal, hated dictator after the other.
Russia before Bolsheviks - Empire ruled by Romanov dynasty, strong national identity
Russia under Lenin - Russian national identity being purged by communists
Russia under Stalin - part of Soviet Union, national identity still repressed but not like it was during Lenin
Russia after Stalin - gradual strengthening of Russian national identity
Soviet Union collapse - Russia going through major changes, democracy and capitalism instead of communism and planned economy
Russia under Putin - going back to Tsarist roots, national identity going strong
Putin has no intention of going back to Soviet times, he wants to create modernized version of Russian Empire.
To protest turkey's actions in shooting down the russian bomber... I did not eat turkey this thanksgiving.Jive Turkey Jones thanks you brother.
#freedomfries #freedomtoast
Russia before Bolsheviks - Empire ruled by Romanov dynasty, strong national identity
Russia under Lenin - Russian national identity being purged by communists
Russia under Stalin - part of Soviet Union, national identity still repressed but not like it was during Lenin
Russia after Stalin - gradual strengthening of Russian national identity
Soviet Union collapse - Russia going through major changes, democracy and capitalism instead of communism and planned economy
Russia under Putin - going back to Tsarist roots, national identity going strong
Putin has no intention of going back to Soviet times, he wants to create modernized version of Russian Empire.
Putin has no intention of going back to Soviet times, he wants to create modernized version of Russian Empire.I.e., a country ruled by Scandinavians.
Case Slobodan Milosevic: Instrumental in fall of Yugoslavia, had strong ties with foreign intelligence agencies. When he finished his job, he was taken care of.Geneva convention is rubbish, no one is sticking to those rules of warfare. The only rule in war is there's no rules.
He actually does. Putins intentions, when it comes to his country are quite noble. In some ways the man is a statesman. Which is pretty good considering that Russias entire leadership for decades, from top to bottom consisted only of people who just endlessly stole from their own country. The big issue with Putin is however, that quite simply hes been a leader for too long now. He is exactly the kind of leader to properly pull a country like Russia out of the complete shitter. However, now that it is out of the shitter, Russia has reached the next stage, where it needs a bit of a different approach to "cleaning house" and fist waving. And Putin absolutely sucks at that.
Merkel was longer. Btw when u find a good leader u won't change it for shit one, because its stupid. I just hope that Putin and his group, have someone to replace him with when the time comes. Russia is always suffered in times between great leaders.
This is more than true. Whoever after Putin is going to be president, it is quite possible, he will be working in Putins shadow and if he turns out to be a retard, he will probably burn most of the planet to the ground. Putin is technically a leader who has gotten fame for waving his fists at everything and increasing the size of Russian territory. Its quite possible the next president might try to desperately do the same or even beat that to prove that he is a good leader and get his name in the history books. He might try to prove himself so hard that he will start more pointless wars with countries Russia probably should not fuck with, to the brink of actual nuclear war. Now, that, is a scary thought.
i have proof that germany is building an empire!
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Holly shit this thing is gross
I have an impression that someone else desperately want Russia to go with war with someone so they can step in and win that war after sides that were fighting exhaust each other.
Only thing Russia wants is to have some influence over eastern Europe and to do business with western Europe. Someone else doesn't want any of that to happen.
There must be some functionality behind it
Leshma, did you forget to get your prescription filled?
Putin is his own worst enemy. He let's his emotions get the best of him.
https://www.rt.com/business/iraq-russia-oil-plan-186/ Russia is not excluded from any economic ventures, they just pretend the system is rigged against them so they can politicize everything for publicity and propaganda, because like you said they want to economically "influence" others. The truth is Russia would be a very boring country without some kind of ideological enemy, they know as well as we do it would be mutual suicide and pointless to start a war. Whenever there is any kind of disagreement the media brings up Cold War stigmas on both sides for publicity, it's as simple as that.
Comparing the US going full vigilante on countries who don't play by the rules does not compare to the hypocrisy of Russia taking land from the Ukraine forcibly, with no negotiations, and then directly stepping in to the do the dirty work and protect the sovereignty of a dictator who has been proven to have committed warcrimes against his own. Every single example you gave on your list only tells one side of the story or is blatantly made up bullshit propaganda from Chumpsky.
For chronic cough?
Makes more sense than "Russia wants war, cause stronk". Russia can't afford going into major war against moderately strong country like Turkey. Not to mention that means opposing NATO, strongest military force on Earth. Believe me, if Russians were strong enough to take on NATO, they would do it long time ago.
Only people on this forum and common sheep believe that country leaders are being driven by emotions. You feel rage against muslims because of terrorist attacks in France/USA and demand a crusade. Elite sees that as an opportunity to make more money by showing off their new military tech, later to sell it to same people they bombed.
Putin is not stupid and he certainly isn't driven by emotions. I doubt he has any left. Dude's a former KGB spy, his actions are calculated as they get.
Fully agree that he is populist leader who created boogieman he's supposed to fight again and save his people. But isn't the same situation in USA? Isn't socialism your boogieman? You openly criticize Scandinavian countries because they implemented some socialist measures, even thought they are doing mighty fine. They picked the best from capitalism and socialism. But if you're American you can't even think about socialist measures, because that is a dirty word.
Now you have that clown Trump who is of same political mold as Putin, a populist scumbag. He's telling you it's about time to make America great again. Please enlighten me, when did America stopped being great? Maybe it has something with others catching up a bit, you know? Like in sport. Even Africans can play football these days. That doesn't mean Germany aren't the best at the game. But difference is smaller than ever.
Hmm... If this is not photoshopped, what's the deal with these helmets?.. Some sort of headphone-reserved space? There must be some functionality behind it, since it looks absolutely ridiculous.
I have an impression that someone else desperately want Russia to go with war with someone so they can step in and win that war after sides that were fighting exhaust each other.
Only thing Russia wants is to have some influence over eastern Europe and to do business with western Europe. Someone else doesn't want any of that to happen.
For chronic cough?
Makes more sense than "Russia wants war, cause stronk". Russia can't afford going into major war against moderately strong country like Turkey. Not to mention that means opposing NATO, strongest military force on Earth. Believe me, if Russians were strong enough to take on NATO, they would do it long time ago.
For chronic cough?Who is saying Russia wants to go to war? You're being stupid if you think this is going to become world war 3. You've created a false dichotomy. "Either this is an illuminati plot, or Russia wants war."
Makes more sense than "Russia wants war, cause stronk". Russia can't afford going into major war against moderately strong country like Turkey. Not to mention that means opposing NATO, strongest military force on Earth. Believe me, if Russians were strong enough to take on NATO, they would do it long time ago.
They had all the influence and possibilities in the late 90s to start fresh with Eastern-EU, a lot of ties exsisted between them and RussiaIs hate and resentment considered ties?
If we went full socialist like Scandinavia we would go under financially, our population is too big, New York City has a bigger population than the entire country of Norway for example. Also the election is a year away, nothing really matters atm, they can say whatever they want so don't take the candidates too seriously yet.USA also has the greatest BIP/per capita so with the right imposition, there would be no trouble. The same way social spending is proportional to the size of the population, state income are proportional to it too (combined with the wealth of the population, which is on average not so bad in US).
Is hate and resentment considered ties?
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USA also has the greatest BIP/per capita so with the right imposition, there would be no trouble. The same way social spending is proportional to the size of the population, state income are proportional to it too (combined with the wealth of the population, which is on average not so bad in US).
http://cyberwardesk.com/wikileaks-alleges-that-turkish-aircrafts-violated-greek-airspace-over-2000-times-in-2014/Uh... that means the Greeks are pussies.
The Turks are fucking pussies, for years they have been violating the Greek airspace, but we never said/done anything.
Uh... that means the Greeks are pussies.
If we went full socialist like Scandinavia we would go under financially, our population is too big, New York City has a bigger population than the entire country of Norway for example. Also the election is a year away, nothing really matters atm, they can say whatever they want so don't take the candidates too seriously yet.
Only people on this forum and common sheep believe that country leaders are being driven by emotions. You feel rage against muslims because of terrorist attacks in France/USA and demand a crusade. Elite sees that as an opportunity to make more money by showing off their new military tech, later to sell it to same people they bombed.
Putin is not stupid and he certainly isn't driven by emotions. I doubt he has any left. Dude's a former KGB spy, his actions are calculated as they get.
Bro, when your economy is bad you can`t do much.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/gr-budget.htm
One of the reasons Greece got itself into a terrible crisis is chronic excess in military spending.
http://cyberwardesk.com/wikileaks-alleges-that-turkish-aircrafts-violated-greek-airspace-over-2000-times-in-2014/
The Turks are fucking pussies, for years they have been violating the Greek airspace, but we never said/done anything.
Bro, when your economy is bad you can`t do much.
I have an impression that someone else desperately want Russia to go with war with someone so they can step in and win that war after sides that were fighting exhaust each other.
Only thing Russia wants is to have some influence over eastern Europe and to do business with western Europe. Someone else doesn't want any of that to happen.
Reading about his KGB Spy days, his job was to throw parties in East Germany and provide The Beer and The Brats lmao all the time. He got fat and seemingly sperged about The Perfect Ale and was known as "the fun guy" lol. He raged at the Soviet high command for Giving Up on East Germany and had to act like a hard ass to get Newly Freedom Loving German Mobs to not raze down his Party Planning + Propaganda Publishing HQ as the Evil Empire collapsed around him after the Polish Pope defeated Communism with the perfect Troll in Warsaw 10 years earlier (which was a good thing)I even know the author, who you read :P
People think the Communist Bloc people have no emotions when I was in the UIF teamspeak for all the battles where we all just laughed constantly at how shitty the mods, devs, and other factions were lol, and found the offsite Russian forums where people were normal, not Mute Order-Obeying Drones
Trust me, KGB training is not about losing emotions.. its about manipulating other people's emotions instead. Like yours Leshma, you stupid hairless ape lmao
Bro, when your economy is bad you can`t do much.
wow u close to the point. what not many understand that russia has more land and resources then anyone and it doesn't need or want to go to war with anyone. It only has to preserve itself and defend.You're joking, right?
You're joking, right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Russia#Russian_Federation_.281991.E2.80.93present.29
Have you read the link?I have read the link yes. Do you have a hard time understanding English?
If you remove civil war and insurgency war, Russia made only a handful of minor wars in the last 25 years. Gained Crimea and "liberated" small as fuck regions/countries.
Such warmongering.
wow u close to the point. what not many understand that russia has more land and resources then anyone and it doesn't need or want to go to war with anyone. It only has to preserve itself and defend.
So if a country makes one little war out of his borders in the last decade, it automatically means that its objective is not to preserve its land and defend?http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anyone
Autism much?
Nebun's statement about Russia's foreign stance can be right, even though it did the wars it did since 1991. For a country to be mostly defensive, it doesnt need to have 0 actual involvement in wars...
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anyone
Is reading comprehension REALLY that difficult for you?
Concede what point, you utter moron?
I guess thats the closest thing to "I concede the point" I will get from you :lol:
To the others: sorry for the inconvenience.
Concede what point, you utter moron?I've read the Ukraine thread and know that it's what you cool kids like to do here when you call Butan (and some other people) a moron among some other names, but it doesn't make your opinion right, or, at the very least, it doesn't make it the only right opinion, nor does it make you look smarter. Especially when you constantly back your points up with Wikipedia links, like it makes you a goddamn geopolitical expert. Hell, even if you look, with some actual understanding of the region, at your own silly link , you'd see that most of those wars were against INSURGENCY on Russia's own territory and destabilization of the country.
Nebun: Russia doesn't want or need to attack anyone
Xant: List of countries Russia has attacked
Butan: hurr durr but that doesn't mean russia is warmongering or doesn't need to attack people IN GENERAL!!!!111
I know this is probably still too hard for your little pea brain to understand, but what you're saying is completely fucking irrelevant and has nothing to do with anything.
You're joking, right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Russia#Russian_Federation_.281991.E2.80.93present.29
ON the list there is a war in my country - Transistria, which if fucking wrong name anyway because its Prednestrovie.
I remember those days when romanian and local nationalists wanted to kill or send away all who spoke russian. Made laws abandoning russian language and sent police/army etc to fight their battle and nobody of those who i ever talked to fighting against transistria - thinks that it was good idea!! Then after conflict thank god president was replaced with normal one and brought it all to balance!!! Transistria didn't join back, but trade was established and actions against russian speaking population stopped.
+ it was not just transistria, there is gagauzia who was also fighting at first. This guys some other ethnic group also not accepted by chocolate chip cookies government we had back then!!! while they lived there for hundreds of years.
Btw GEORGIA attacked in last war, they showed agression! After months of lies everyone admitted it in news in the west!
Chechen wars is more like what in Syria right now, other countries sponsored terrorists fight. I remember how west called them freedom fighters!
In Ukraine: Crimea and Donbas perfect examples. In Crimea no shoots fired, even west news agencies like forbes admit that to their polls 80+% of crimean population want to be in Russia. I think that russian mistake is that they didn't do the same with Donbas. They tried to protect their own people at the same time trying not to piss of other countries.
Since i doubt that west will ever be russians friend, they should have done it without caring what others would thing. Would save so many lives!
I've read the Ukraine thread and know that it's what you cool kids like to do here when you call Butan (and some other people) a moron among some other names, but it doesn't make your opinion right, or, at the very least, it doesn't make it the only right opinion, nor does it make you look smarter. Especially when you constantly back your points up with Wikipedia links, like it makes you a goddamn geopolitical expert. Hell, even if you look, with some actual understanding of the region, at your own silly link , you'd see that most of those wars were against INSURGENCY on Russia's own territory and destabilization of the country.I know it doesn't make my opinion right, when have I said it does? Exactly, I haven't. Here, go read this, perhaps you'll learn something: http://forum.melee.org/general-off-topic/ad-hominem-you-3-things-you'll-be-perplexed-and-amazed-by-on-a-forum/msg1174601/#msg1174601
Leshma (never thought i'd say it) is actually close. To make it short - Russia has it's sphere of interests. Whether the world and people like Xant (see, i made you look important?) like it or not, it's gonna protect that sphere of interests. No, no Soviet Union plans, relax your buttholes, haters. =)
Yeah. Exactly 80+% crimean and donbas people want to be russia. It is a perfect example of why nobody likes to have russian speaking minorities in their countries. Because than those people want to be russia too and than Russia comes and annexes it and says "thats what the people want, shut up". Saving lives? Sure it is I quess. But its a peaceful way of invading and annexing lands that dont really belong to you. Its basically nothing short of colonizing.
The problem is that russians is the most devided nation after the breaking up of soviet union a lot of russians live in different countries. And the problems start only when some nationalist fucks treat them harsh! For example even tho new government after sort of revolution in Moldova is nationalists, they moving things slowly! No more trying to kick out russian population or kill anyone, they slowly closing russian speaking schools and slowly making it more important to speak in Romanian language. Without any harsh moves! Now why couldn't they have done it in Ukraine.
chocolate chip cookies are harsh. In Lithuania russian speaking population and all those who got there after ww2 not considered citizens, basically treated badly!
:))) I'm sure that russian groups living in New York or London won't change anything there :) And i'm sure it wouldn't be used as excuse to invade them.
BTW so called transistria didn't become russian, nobody needs it except for moldova. It has 0 output in russian economy. But highest concentration of russian speaking there.
I don't see russians killing their natives or forcing them to give up their languages and traditions. Its county of many cultures/religions/races that manages to live in peace.
But when russians being attacked in ex soviet country - they all thriving for russia to help them, because no one else will.
I get what you're saying Nebun, but using the term nazi to treat every countries with anti-russian movements, substract from the legitimity of your posts.
Well thats just it. "Nationalist fucks treat them harshly" is extremely relative. At any time can the Kremlin claim that their people are being abused abroad. For example, for pretty much always, Kremlins report on the Baltic always claims how fascist nationalist scum we are who is threating the poor russian minorities horribly and terrorising them. Russians(neutral) who are not related to the Kremlin and done their own reports have actually come to the conclusion that its the russian nationalist fucks themselves that are treating the native population more harshly, which is absolutely different to what Russia claim. This is kinda why I dont trust a single word coming from the East. Forever has Kremlin claimed that the Baltics hails Hitler and shit and torment all russians, but there is barely even a single individual case about it. Let alone a claim that the entire government is fascist.nice story but i don't see russia attacking lithuania, litva and estonia.
I assume these completely unproven and false claims by the Kremlin are either just trolls or they are trying to cement the publics support by the time the window opens to annex the Baltics. Cause I see really no other reason to really lie this much with such agressive behaviour. I mean, yeah, sure, we sometimes poke the Bear. But god..."we all hail einstein?" dafuq.
Lithwania - my father goes there on business, they have chocolate chip cookie/FASCIST parades there. I didn't know about this things until recently. However he said even with lots of shittalking about russia in news all the time most people are calm and don't care.
Same for Litva, Estinoa - very nationalist government.
And now ukraine who sided with radical chocolate chip cookies in their civil war. They made bandera from ww2 a national hero, who was chocolate chip cookie and killed lots of civilians including polish/jews/russians/hungarians etc.
Obviously its not like population is like that, but some minorities that willing to take action and can control situation in country because regular ppl either don't care or can't do anything.
And in moldova as i said they also wanted to kick out gagauzi, who is like turkish/pecheneg origin can't remember check in wiki. they not russians but nationalists don't care, thats the point.
nice story but i don't see russia attacking lithuania, litva and estonia.
Actually I think they have that parade in Ltiva. It doesnt really mean anything. Its just old veterans who fought against the soviets basically. And define the word "nationalist" plz. I mean technically Russia is significantly more nationalist than all 3 combined. It would make sense that a government is nationalist. No? I think you mix up nationalism with fascism. They are not the same.they can take lithuania and nobody would care, hands off from Latvia and Estonia though
Because they cant. Thats technically nuclearwar.
Lithwania - my father goes there on business, they have chocolate chip cookie/FASCIST parades there. I didn't know about this things until recently. However he said even with lots of shittalking about russia in news all the time most people are calm and don't care.
Same for Litva, Estinoa - very nationalist government.
And now ukraine who sided with radical chocolate chip cookies in their civil war. They made bandera from ww2 a national hero, who was chocolate chip cookie and killed lots of civilians including polish/jews/russians/hungarians etc..
Russians never consider Baltic countries as equal part of Soviet Union. They were fighting against them during the war. After the war they took them in just like some other countries who opposed them (Hungary for example) but they were more of slave countries. Turkey treated Balkan territories of Ottoman Empire pretty much the same. For lot longer period of time.
Except they didn't have much success at that. Just like Turks failed to wipe out native Balkan culture. Only country that managed to pull that off has to be United States of America.
Edit: Oh, why going full butthurt mode? We're just having casual discussion :)
Except they didn't have much success at that. Just like Turks failed to wipe out native Balkan culture. Only country that managed to pull that off has to be United States of America.
Edit: Oh, why going full butthurt mode? We're just having casual discussion :)
You're mixing them with conquistadors. United States of America existed and fought against native American tribes. They didn't perish before USA was founded (1776). Conflict between settlers and natives started earlier but USA forces defeated Indians, not European settlers.
I fully understand the bad blood. Same with Russia and Baltic states. But where Russia and even einstein's Germany failed, USA succeed. Indian Removal Act sounds so much like Final Solution, doesn't it? Except some Jews survived and formed their own state, much like Armenians. I don't see Cherokee state today, do you? At least you've named a car after them, that's something I guess.
Indian Removal Act wasn't even supported by everybody. But it passed after much struggle. Probably one of the reasons why few decades after Civil War happened, among other things.
But let's go back to present day. Imagine Trump wins and Kebab Removal Act happens despite protests of various interest groups. USA as leading world country has every right to deal with backwards muslims, it's not like they will survive for much longer because they are constantly fighting among themselves... Isn't even that far fetched from reality at this point.
Is Russia ever going to pay reparations to the Baltic States, Lithuania, Poland and the indigenous ppl of Siberia and Kamchatka ? What about reparations to Finland for Karelia? Or do they still have the Imperial mindset that Europeans had 300 years ago?
Hah. Reparations? They cant even find it in their warm non-agressive sweet hearts, like they claim to have, that they might have been even the slightest bit wrong with all that. Oh noooooo. You get all kinds of stupid justifications even. "We were liberating". Is generally the most common claim. Infact they would rather rewrite history with false facts, rather than say that they might have been slightly wrong. Something even similar to an apology is probably lightyears away. The word reparations doesnt even translate to russian very well.
First of all about fascist parades, is there any in Germany or France or Italy, celebrating those great days when they lost a war but still killed lots of people?
Russians had their own fascist scum vlasov and his group who joined chocolate chip cookies in ww2. I don't see no parades in russia in their memory. It is a big deal. Maybe fascism or neo YMCA ok for u, but not for me.
Russians more like patriots - hard to call them nationalists because russia is home for many nations. If u getting confused when i use word nationalizm, then replace it with YMCA. I'm sure u understood me anyway.
Its very interesting about reparations and hate against russia. Is there still hate to germany from all EU countries for ww2? No u all getting along now.
And its nice for u to mention Stalin. Well u see how soviet union worked, every country had its own communist party and soviet union placed them in power, and those parties also repressed their own population!!! And all problems and shit things that happened in soviet union happened to all countries and most to russia itself starting from fucking revolution that nobody needed, lots of people murdered or fled the country. Stalin was Georgian, those guys also blame russia for all they've done to it under stalin. Hruscev was Ukrainian.
And to be honest most of everyone who won out of communism was ukrainians. Basically Lenin created ukraine after revolution, and when it was grabbed by soviet union over time it was provided with lots of land including crimea!!! If not for that ukraine wouldn't even exist and probably for the best. In my opinion. But i would give west ukraine back to poland, except for Kiev. I don't think russia needs crazy chocolate chip cookies in its country.
Don't you know that nazi gold is still hidden. How could they pillage Europe if there was nothing to be taken at that point? Every golden tooth, gold coin, silverware, anything of value is still stashed in airship, flying under Major's command.
Is Russia ever going to pay reparations to the Baltic States, Lithuania, Poland and the indigenous ppl of Siberia and Kamchatka ? What about reparations to Finland for Karelia? Or do they still have the Imperial mindset that Europeans had 300 years ago?nope we just leave them their lives and lands XD
First of all about fascist parades, is there any in Germany or France or Italy, celebrating those great days when they lost a war but still killed lots of people?
Russians had their own fascist scum vlasov and his group who joined chocolate chip cookies in ww2. I don't see no parades in russia in their memory. It is a big deal. Maybe fascism or neo YMCA ok for u, but not for me.
Russians more like patriots - hard to call them nationalists because russia is home for many nations. If u getting confused when i use word nationalizm, then replace it with YMCA. I'm sure u understood me anyway.
One day you russians have to wake up and realise fascism doesnt not exist anymore.
Russia is a dump and I feel blessed and happy about not being born there...me happy too :P
Can we now go back to make fun of Turkey please?
[...]This might be very well true.
Merkel has a dick beneath that skirt :P
The alleged Fascist marches, that Kremlin trolls are sure to bring up at any opportunity are actually Baltic Legionnaire marches, where old war veterans go to lay down flowers in remembrance of their fallen comrades.Yeah, a fascist nationalist WOULD say that, wouldn't he?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latvian_Legion
Any attempt to point this out inevitably turns to a change of topic to some other (previously likewise refuted) accusation of fascism.
Also, government of Latvia is not nationalistic. Hell, the only actually nationalistic Latvian party gets less seats than the rather likewise nationalistic "Russian" party. Most others do not want to cooperate with either.
The alleged Fascist marches, that Kremlin trolls are sure to bring up at any opportunity are actually Baltic Legionnaire marches, where old war veterans go to lay down flowers in remembrance of their fallen comrades.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latvian_Legion
Any attempt to point this out inevitably turns to a change of topic to some other (previously likewise refuted) accusation of fascism.
The Latvian Legion (Latvian: Latviešu leģions) was a formation of the Waffen-SS during World War II created in 1943, consisting primarily of ethnic Latvian soldiers.
The Waffen-SS (German pronunciation: [ˈvafən.ɛs.ɛs], Armed SS) was created as the armed wing of the chocolate chip cookie Party's Schutzstaffel (SS, "Protective Squadron"),[2] and gradually developed into a multi-ethnic and multi-national military force of chocolate chip cookie Germany.
Ceremonial chief: Heinrich Himmler
On 21 February 2012, The Council of Europe’s Commission against Racism and Intolerance published its report on Latvia (fourth monitoring cycle), in which it condemned Latvian Legion Day which commemorates persons who had fought in a Latvian unit of the Waffen-SS and takes place every year on 16 March. It is held in the centre of Riga. Within that report is the following statement which applies universally concerning the Waffen-SS, "All attempts to commemorate persons who fought in the Waffen-SS and collaborated with the chocolate chip cookies, should be condemned. Any gathering or march legitimising YMCA in any way should be banned."
Oberführer albert Ax, commander of the 15th Division, reported on 27 January 1945: "They are first and foremost Latvians. They want a sustainable Latvian nation state. Forced to choose between Germany and Russia, they have chosen Germany, because they seek co-operation with western civilization. The rule of the Germans seems to them to be the lesser of two evils."[13] This perspective resulted in part from the Soviet occupation between 1940 and 1941, called "The Year of Terror" (Latvian: Baigais gads) during which tens of thousands of Latvian families were executed or deported to Siberia with men separated from the women and children to break down resistance.[14]
Legion command emphasized that the Latvians were fighting against Soviet re-occupation. Conscripts promised in the name of God to be subservient to the German military and its commander albert einstein, to be courageous and to be prepared to give up their life in the fight against Bolshevism.[15] Legionnaires hoped to fight off the Red Army until it was no longer a threat to Latvia and then turn against chocolate chip cookie Germany, as a repeat of the Latvian War of Independence of 1918-1920, when Latvian forces expelled both Bolshevik and German forces. Legionnaires carried Latvian flags under their uniforms as a symbol of that hope.[16] This sentiment was also reflected in one of the most popular Legion songs which went "We will beat the Russians now and we will beat the Germans after that" (with euphemisms for Russians and Germans).[6] The Allies confirmed this as early as 1943, when a British investigative mission found Latvians stood against both their Soviet and German occupiers.[17]
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You can make fun of something when told to. Can't bother going through post history on this forum (SMF search is just lovely) but it went something like this:
- few years ago Assad was found out to be killing Syrian children with chemical weapons in attempt to remove rebel threat - cRPG angry at Assad. Satan, sadist and tyrant. Has Ruskie support. Bring him down.
- ISIL has grown, became a threat, Charlie Hebdo happened - Assad may be an asshole but fuck it those children aren't ours. Assad man good enough, keep him to fight ISIL and restore piece in middle east, we can live with his tyranny. We can live with Putin supporting him.
- Assad losing the fight against ISIL and in the process becoming a better man (!?), forum fully supports Assad bro; ISIL chopping heads off left and right, angry gaijin call for crusade.
- ISIL wrecks Paris, Oberyn fuming, Pepe not sure of his emotions; Forum in FULL KEBAB HATE MODE, forum muslims feel it and make funny posts; Assad major bro, a saviors son; Grand savior of world and mankind, Putin-san bombs the living shit out of ISIL; We are winning, no need for crusade, our slavic brothers will win the war for us. Bombing is good for people in ze middel east! (not like we care if they they die, means less filthy ISIL warriors entering EU disguised as refugees)
- Ruskie pilot after few bottles of Vodka, navigating with Soviet map dating before WWII enters Turkish border for few hundert meters, just after he dropped some bass on them Turkmen uhm ISIL villages; Erdogod's son pissed off because latest free oil shipments are late beccause destroyed says FUCK IT and orders mighty Turkish army to bring down the pilot. Plane went fuming, pilot shot in air, Turkmen going Allah Ackbar for 30 minutes...
- We should be angry as ISIL, but Norwegian NATO boss says Russia will be dealt with if touches our Turkey before Thanksgiving. Russia bad, Assad devil, forgot about ISIL and Paris. It's time for festivities, fellow forumen.
Merkel has a dick beneath that skirt :P
u forgot to mention how many USA killed in middle east. Not that Sadam or Assad great guys, but west outkilled themYes, killing the killers.
Are you kidding me? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor Starving millions of Ukrainians to death is winning out? Are you really surprised that Ukrainians and Cossacks cheered on the Germans when they entered Ukraine and many of them even helped the Germans? I don't think Ukraine owes anything to Russia, I think it should be the other way around, but like we see today, the Russians are still hell bent on screwing over their neighbors and infiltrating their government to "influence" them.
Yes, killing the killers.
Did u read the full story or is it Ukraine edited version? Holodomor was in my country too and all over russia and many other soviet union regions. Very bad thing for sure. If u want to blame someone on large scale then blame all soviet union, all soviet parties in each country. If u need specific person, then u can blame stalin who is georgian. The thing is that russia lived through all the shit as well. Now its not a soviet country anymore. Same as french is not napoleonic empire and german is no longer chocolate chip cookie germany and usa stopped killing indians, maybe because none left or they like their casinos, they have other entertainment - making bets if black children will live up to 30 without getting shot by a cop.
My grandparents told me of holodomor times btw, horrible times. But before Soviet Union collapsed they loved Soviet Union. They loved the free stuff. But younger ppl inc me now didn't like it.
So its not black and white and russian not supose to be blamed for everything especially for chocolate chip cookie marches in Lithuania.
Russia is home to the largest number of Neo-Chocolate Chip cookies in the world
U missed huge trail of dead civilians, or they don't report u on things like this. I think the only thing they told u is the recent hospital bombing, and only because its international organisation. There is no war without casulties. Otherwise west should have invaded ukraine for killing their own people.So what? Of course civilians die, but the US is very good at avoiding civilian casualties. They kill less civilians than the native dictators did/do.
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Last year Russia (Putin) banned holocaust denial and joined countries where denying that holocaust happened is punishable by law. There isn't many countries where holocaust denial is considered as criminal act.
Last year Russia (Putin) banned holocaust denial and joined countries where denying that holocaust happened is punishable by law. There isn't many countries where holocaust denial is considered as criminal act.
I have doubts how they came up with that number of 50-70k neo-chocolate chip cookies though.
Russia is a dump and I feel blessed and happy about not being born there...Yeah it's unfortunate to be born here if you don't know Russian language, very uncomfortable.
Why shouldn't Russia be blamed? Holomdor doesn't even scratch the surface for all the atrocities and backstabbing Russia has committed in Eastern Europe. Russians deported millions of people in Eastern Europe to gulags and replaced them with Russian citizens who were given stolen land, just look at Kaliningrad. Napoleon and the Indians and what happened 200 years ago has nothing to do with this. Who cares if Stalin was Georgian, Albert was Austrian. The difference is all other Nations have been held accountable for their actions,
I don't see Germany or Austria denying, threatening or antagonizing nations around them. Russia is home to the largest number of Neo-Chocolate Chip cookies in the world so it's quite hilarious to see them throwing stones in their glass house. It's offensive and humiliating to alot of people, and I don't see any other country doing this. Of course no sane person would go around blaming all Russians for being chocolate chip cookies, can't say the same about the Russian government in 2015 though.
Wow replace word Russia with soviet union in ur speech. A lot of russians was also sent to gulag, and prior to that killed in revolution. Its still not a reason for FASCIST / NEO chocolate chip cookieS in countries around russia. That only tells me one thing they did a very bad job of not killing all of those. btw all this ideologies are products of the west :) communism, fascism, YMCA. Gets me thinking who helped/supported installing communism in russia. I don't know exactly how things would go if that didn't happen, but might have been a lot better, with soft transition to constitutional monarcy like in UK. And then Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia etc. and most baltic countries would still be in Russia :)))
Dyadkin estimated that the USSR suffered 56 to 62 million "unnatural deaths" during that period, with 34 to 49 million directly linked to Stalin. In “Europe A History,” British historian Norman Davies counted 50 million killed between 1924-53, excluding wartime casualties.Mar 5, 2013Soviet Union = Russia+protectorates, let's not mince words here.
You don't find anything disturbing about Russia glorifying the Soviet Union in spite of millions of their own people murdered and unaccounted for?
Soviet Union = Russia+protectorates, let's not mince words here.
Dyadkin estimated that the USSR suffered 56 to 62 million "unnatural deaths" during that period, with 34 to 49 million directly linked to Stalin. In “Europe A History,” British historian Norman Davies counted 50 million killed between 1924-53, excluding wartime casualties.Mar 5, 2013
You don't find anything disturbing about Russia glorifying the Soviet Union in spite of millions of their own people murdered and unaccounted for?
Soviet Union = Russia+protectorates, let's not mince words here.
Russia itself = Russian oblasts + tons of republics/semi-independant/autonomous regions.Agree, there are significant areas in Russia where the amount of actual Russians is negligible, and where most Russians would never consider travelling for any reason.
Its all about timing, some people liked living in it closer to end of soviet union.
land theft and the destruction of all social institutions and universities, this was not worth a barely acceptable low quality lifestyle.
This part is questionnable.
"land theft and the destruction of all social institutions and universities" is what most of the bourgeois must have said, but for most of the pleb it was quite the opposite.
And "barely acceptable low quality lifestyle" does not really cut it. Could be replaced by transforming the whole country from a medieval country to a first modern power (speaking of Russia here). Wasnt done with love, people suffered even at the base of the pyramid, but it sure was better than before the soviet revolution, which lasted for basically quite a long time really. Cant deny that.
This timing was built on half a century of barbarity and ignorance. Holomdor, The Katyn Massacre, Kulak massacres, mass deportations, slave labor, kangaroo court executions of intellectuals and ex politicians, land theft and the destruction of all social institutions and universities, this was not worth a barely acceptable low quality lifestyle.
Why should the Russian government skirt their way out of paying reparations to Eastern Europe when Germany didn't? Russia killed far more people than the fascists did, and their foreign policy as of lately just adds insult to injury, calling the Ukrainians chocolate chip cookies and stealing their territory, I wonder who the real chocolate chip cookies are here, still too proud of the USSR to resort to diplomacy with these Ukrainians? I think everyone knows the reality is that Russia couldn't afford to pay reparations even if they wanted to, but I think it's the thought that counts.
and germans burned jews alive, if its all about numbers then not all repressed was killed, at first was civil war, most died in civil war. Death sentence was to about 800k, 2mil + got jail, some deported, some relocated. Other things for other circumstances. Shit but don't twist it to even worse russian population suffered more then any other. Stupid ideology coming from Germany! that crippled great empire. Couldn't win wars in normal way so sent an idiot with ideology to do it for u. And when everyone thought this will fuck up russia forever - it turned up to become even stronger. But i'd prefer it to stay and empire then soviet union to start with and avoid all this shit. Well i'd prefer for germany not to become chocolate chip cookie germany and killed so many ppl too, but can't change the past :) Now again why is the hate again? Maybe when u look at the size of russia u ding dongs go very tiny?
and germans burned jews alive, if its all about numbers then not all repressed was killed, at first was civil war, most died in civil war. Death sentence was to about 800k, 2mil + got jail, some deported, some relocated. Other things for other circumstances. Shit but don't twist it to even worse russian population suffered more then any other. Stupid ideology coming from Germany! that crippled great empire. Couldn't win wars in normal way so sent an idiot with ideology to do it for u. And when everyone thought this will fuck up russia forever - it turned up to become even stronger. But i'd prefer it to stay and empire then soviet union to start with and avoid all this shit. Well i'd prefer for germany not to become chocolate chip cookie germany and killed so many ppl too, but can't change the past :) Now again why is the hate again? Maybe when u look at the size of russia u ding dongs go very tiny?What the fuck are you talking about? Is Lenin from Germany? Lenin twisted Marx ideology and Germany can not be blamed for it.
Mainly in Eastern Europe, Russia tried to destroy all remnants of national identity from the countries they occupied. It was a well planned transition to eliminate their nationalities to ensure they couldn't regain independence to make way for their puppets. The NKVD would get into the town and city registrars and arrest/deport/execute/blackmail anyone with an education or position of authority, military, politicians and ex politicians etc along with their families.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34979249
http://youtu.be/nMA4B2ZnQ2o?t=16m7s
Holy shit. Western manipulated media is always one thing, that kinda shoots single rounds at what it aims, but the Russian propagandamachine is always a true magnificent piece of art to behold, that bazookas it. It just literally pounds that which it aims to the absolute ground, claiming almost everything imaginable. The word subtle is also another word that doesn't translate to russian well. :lol:
Its quite fun to watch Ergodan sweat and forced to be grounded for once, by someone similarly biased as him. Slim chance he might actually turn out as a normal person after this shitstorm.
I understand U.S. doesn't want to lose access to Turkey military airbases for doing airstrikes in Syria... but we don't really need those airbases. We have aircraft carriers which can fill that role. I'm sure there are more reasons than that, but not that I'm aware of.
Also there are plenty of countries we are allied with and cooperate with militarily which aren't in Nato. Kicking them out of nato wouldn't be the same as ending all military cooperation.
Afghanistan, Argentina, Bahrain, Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Kuwait, Morocco, and Pakistan for example.
Russia should make their own Nato alliance with China, Iran, Syria, North Korea, Palestine and start recruiting others into the fold... Prep up those weapons of war for WW3.
Finally America will get to use it's F-22 Raptors in a combat mission.
Apparently nato just invited Monteblack in spanish into the alliance... Drawing the expected ire of Russia.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/03/world/europe/kerry-nato-syria-russia.html?_r=0
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/324312-west-russia-nato-monteblack in spanish/
Really it just seems like the west is provoking Russia with this invitation... Monteblack in spanish a country of about 600k with virtually no military doesn't add much to the table in terms of benefits other than expanding Nato territory/airspace.
Nebun is the biggest mystery here. Moldova is the shittiest shithole of Europe, and inside it, an even shittier shithole, Transnitria, which basically is a country run on pensions and cheap gas! (Don't ask me how it works!)
Apparently nato just invited Monteblack in spanish into the alliance... Drawing the expected ire of Russia.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/03/world/europe/kerry-nato-syria-russia.html?_r=0
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/324312-west-russia-nato-monteblack in spanish/
Really it just seems like the west is provoking Russia with this invitation... Monteblack in spanish a country of about 600k with virtually no military doesn't add much to the table in terms of benefits other than expanding Nato territory/airspace.
Montenegrins can decide what they want for themselves.Sure but only if it corresponds the wishes of NATO and the US :P Otherwise, this is propaganda and falsification of Communists
The thing with the black people hill tribe is that half of them are actually pro-russian and mad as fuck about this.
All of this is exactly true.
OK.
http://www.rferl.org/content/turkey-erdogan-proof-russian-islamic-state-oil/27404996.html(click to show/hide)
I even know the author, who you read :P
Sure but only if it corresponds the wishes of NATO and the US :P Otherwise, this is propaganda and falsification of Communists