Turkey downed a Russian plane

[Rando]

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[Kafein]

So, do we know for how long that Russian plane was inside Turkey's airspace? To me it really sounds like Turkey was itching to shoot them down and jumped at the first excuse.

[Grytviken]

So, do we know for how long that Russian plane was inside Turkey's airspace? To me it really sounds like Turkey was itching to shoot them down and jumped at the first excuse.

5 seconds in their airspace, they knew he was there for 17 seconds. The active radar missile from the f-16 didn't need an active radar lock because it has it's own onboard radar device, so all they had to do was fire it in his direction when he entered their airspace. Instead of taking him prisoner the rebel turkmen or whoever they were in Syria murdered him, so I imagine they were not happy he was there.

 Seems like a spontaneous situation. The Turks don't want them utilizing their airspace to bomb their border area, and I think the Russian pilot wanted to make sure he bailed out of Turkish airspace which ended up getting him killed. Instead of choosing a different flight path to avoid that area of protruding airspace he flew through it.

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[Rhekimos]

Turkish version of the events:
"Two aircraft whose nationalities were unknown had approached Turkish airspace near the town of Yayladagi in Hatay province.
The planes were warned 10 times over the space of five minutes via an "emergency" channel and asked to change direction.
Both planes disregarded the warnings and then flew 2.19km (1.36 miles) and 1.85km (1.15 miles) into Turkey for 17 seconds from 09:24:05 (07:24:05 GMT).
"Following the violation, plane 1 left Turkish national airspace. Plane 2 was fired at while in Turkish national airspace by Turkish F-16s performing air combat patrolling in the area," Mr Cevik wrote. "Plane 2 crashed onto the Syria side of the Turkish-Syrian border.""

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No war at least yet, but the area will be a real hot zone:

"Breaking off military contacts with Turkey, Russia's defence ministry said a cruiser equipped with an air defence system would be deployed in the Mediterranean to destroy "any targets representing a potential danger" for Russian forces in Syria.
Russian bombers carrying out air strikes over Syria will now be escorted by fighters, the military said."
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34917485

They will also be sending the S-400 anti-aircraft missile system, the most advanced in Russia's arsenal.
https://www.rt.com/news/323379-s400-russia-syria-airbase/


Turkey appears to still have Nato backing:

"Nato Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg declared: "We stand in solidarity with Turkey and support the territorial integrity of our Nato ally."
"I look forward to further contacts between Ankara and Moscow and call for calm and de-escalation," he added."
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34912581

Also, one of the pilots survived.

[Daunt_Flockula]

So, do we know for how long that Russian plane was inside Turkey's airspace? To me it really sounds like Turkey was itching to shoot them down and jumped at the first excuse.

Obviously Tardogan had been growing desperate. His last resort were the Jihadist gangs in that region, the lowlifes who everyone has been claiming are innocent Turkmens. And now Russia is exterminating them. I initially thought this was a well-planned NATO move aimed at intimidation. However, it is clearly an act of desperation.

Clues can be found in yesterday's gathering where Tardogan addressed a roomful of teachers on the occasion of Teachers' Day. He tells the teachers about the hit (who the fuck talks to teachers about an international conflict on Teachers' Day?). Being the sheep they are, they applaud heartily. And then something unexpected happens. Tardogan stops them and says "it's not something to be cheerful about and he wishes it had never had to happen".

Tardogan simply loves being pampered and cheered for. The biggest hint that says he knows he is in deep shit appears at a very unexpected moment. GG Tardogan. Don't RQ on me now.

[LordBerenger]

One way to get even without invading Turkey and starting WW3 is bombing the fuck out of ISIS and those Turkmen villages in Syria.

[Paul]

"A short-term border violation can never be a pretext for an attack"
- Erdo-Khan, 2012

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-18598529

Time's flying, another never went by like nothing.

[Jarlek]

Why the hate about shooting at parachuted pilots though? I can understand that this is a dick move, but try parachuting into your enemy's territory and talk me later about how shit went down.

Because it's a warcrime. Shooting paratroopers is allowed, but shooting someone parachuting as a result of having their aircraft disabled/destroyed/malfunctioned is not.

Ofc, nobody expects arabs to follow any kind of laws, so it's not a surprise.

EDIT: Changed plane to aircraft.

[Vovka]

Turkish version of the events:
"Two aircraft whose nationalities were unknown had approached Turkish airspace near the town of Yayladagi in Hatay province.
The planes were warned 10 times over the space of five minutes via an "emergency" channel and asked to change direction.

Turkey pilot "Allah akbar, allah akbar, allah akbar, allah akbar, allah akbar, allah akbar, allah akbar, allah akbar, allah akbar, allah akbar"

[Butan]

Because it's a warcrime. Shooting paratroopers is allowed, but shooting someone parachuting as a result of having their aircraft disabled/destroyed/malfunctioned is not.

Didnt know that, thanks.

[Xant]

Because it's a warcrime. Shooting paratroopers is allowed, but shooting someone parachuting as a result of having their aircraft disabled/destroyed/malfunctioned is not.

Ofc, nobody expects arabs to follow any kind of laws, so it's not a surprise.

EDIT: Changed plane to aircraft.

Whether it's morally wrong or not is another question. Say they'd been bombing targets ("infantry" or whatever you want to call the mob) on the ground, those targets have no way to fight back and just have to endure it. The pilots won't stop their attacks just because it's unfair and they're at no risk. Why then should they receive the courtesy of not being shot at when they're vulnerable and can't fight back?

[Vovka]

http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2491068.html (rus)
 and google translate:
https://translate.google.ru/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fcolonelcassad.livejournal.com%2F2491068.html&edit-text=

[Beauchamp]

russians entered turkish airspace on multiple occasions before, they were warned multiple times before, they did it again, they were shot. where is the problem? if somebody repeatedly behaves like a retard, then sometimes only a retard like answer can be a solution to the problem.

[Molly]

Whether it's morally wrong or not is another question. Say they'd been bombing targets ("infantry" or whatever you want to call the mob) on the ground, those targets have no way to fight back and just have to endure it. The pilots won't stop their attacks just because it's unfair and they're at no risk. Why then should they receive the courtesy of not being shot at when they're vulnerable and can't fight back?

Attacking people parachuting from an aircraft in distress is a war crime under Protocol I in addition to the 1949 Geneva Conventions. However, it is not prohibited under this Protocol to open fire on airborne troops who are descending by parachutes, even if their aircraft is in distress.

[Xant]

And? Who cares if it's a war crime?