Turkey downed a Russian plane

[Tibe]

Lithwania - my father goes there on business, they have chocolate chip cookie/FASCIST parades there. I didn't know about this things until recently. However he said even with lots of shittalking about russia in news all the time most people are calm and don't care.
Same for Litva, Estinoa - very nationalist government.
And now ukraine who sided with radical chocolate chip cookies in their civil war. They made bandera from ww2 a national hero, who was chocolate chip cookie and killed lots of civilians including polish/jews/russians/hungarians etc.
Obviously its not like population is like that, but some minorities that willing to take action and can control situation in country because regular ppl either don't care or can't do anything.
And in moldova as i said they also wanted to kick out gagauzi, who is like turkish/pecheneg origin can't remember check in wiki. they not russians but nationalists don't care, thats the point.

Actually I think they have that parade in Ltiva. It doesnt really mean anything. Its just old veterans who fought against the soviets basically. And define the word "nationalist" plz. I mean technically Russia is significantly more nationalist than all 3 combined. It would make sense that a government is nationalist. No? I think you mix up nationalism with fascism. They are not the same.

nice story but i don't see russia attacking lithuania, litva and estonia.

Because they cant. Thats technically nuclearwar.

[Latvian]

Actually I think they have that parade in Ltiva. It doesnt really mean anything. Its just old veterans who fought against the soviets basically. And define the word "nationalist" plz. I mean technically Russia is significantly more nationalist than all 3 combined. It would make sense that a government is nationalist. No? I think you mix up nationalism with fascism. They are not the same.

Because they cant. Thats technically nuclearwar.

they can take lithuania and nobody would care, hands off from Latvia and Estonia though

[Tibe]

Yeah, what Latvian said. You can annex the germanmade carthiefs and plungerexperts, we are fine with it, whatever floats your vodka. 

[Grytviken]

Lithwania - my father goes there on business, they have chocolate chip cookie/FASCIST parades there. I didn't know about this things until recently. However he said even with lots of shittalking about russia in news all the time most people are calm and don't care.
Same for Litva, Estinoa - very nationalist government.
And now ukraine who sided with radical chocolate chip cookies in their civil war. They made bandera from ww2 a national hero, who was chocolate chip cookie and killed lots of civilians including polish/jews/russians/hungarians etc..

Poor Russians don't feel welcome after destroying and turning the entire area into a 3rd world communist shithole, they don't belong there.



http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g274951-d284404-r248216066-KGB_Museum_Genocido_Auku_Muziejus-Vilnius_Vilnius_County.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainiai_massacre



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Soviet_War
I wonder why Stalin made a secret alliance with Albert Hitla to invade Poland

[Leshma]

Russians never considered Baltic countries as equal part of Soviet Union. They were fighting against them during the war. After the war they took them in just like some other countries who opposed them (Hungary for example) but they were more of slave countries. Turkey treated Balkan territories of Ottoman Empire pretty much the same. For lot longer period of time.

[Grytviken]

Russians never consider Baltic countries as equal part of Soviet Union. They were fighting against them during the war. After the war they took them in just like some other countries who opposed them (Hungary for example) but they were more of slave countries. Turkey treated Balkan territories of Ottoman Empire pretty much the same. For lot longer period of time.

No they just  tried to execute and deport all the intellectuals and politicians in these countries to gulags, tried to erase the Lithuanian and Polish languages and identity from history and demolished catholic churches and defiled gravestones and then illegally occupy them for 40+ years after ww2 while importing Russians and deporting the local populations to Russify them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_deportations_from_Lithuania

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_repressions_of_Polish_citizens_(1939%E2%80%9346)#Mass_deportations_to_the_East

[Leshma]

Except they didn't have much success at that. Just like Turks failed to wipe out native Balkan culture. Only country that managed to pull that off has to be United States of America.

Edit: Oh, why going full butthurt mode? We're just having casual discussion

[Butan]

I guess Nebun and Grytviken speech cancel each others out.

[Leshma]

Not trying to defend Russia here, I'm very well aware of their actions and opinions. Would also feel the same way Tibe and Latvian feel if I were in their boots. Russia has "special feelings" towards their country and they are so close to each other. If not for NATO, they would be in danger. But I also understand why Russia acted towards Ukraine in way they did. Ukraine is different from Baltics, it is place where Russian national identity started no matter what some smaller factions like Banderist believe. Ukraine and Russia are historically even closer than USA and Canada. Imagine if Russia turned Canada against USA, how would that end?

While they share some similarities, biggest difference between USA and other "superpowers" like Russia, China, Brazil is that they tend to mind their own business and deal with countries that have historical ties with them.

[Grytviken]

Except they didn't have much success at that. Just like Turks failed to wipe out native Balkan culture. Only country that managed to pull that off has to be United States of America.

Edit: Oh, why going full butthurt mode? We're just having casual discussion

Russians and their bootlickers complaining and pointing the finger calling others fascist when they openly allied with Hittlerr in ww2 to destroy their own slavic "brothers". They should worry about their own failure of an economy before trying to influence others, everything they touch turns to shit.

[Tibe]

Except they didn't have much success at that. Just like Turks failed to wipe out native Balkan culture. Only country that managed to pull that off has to be United States of America.

Edit: Oh, why going full butthurt mode? We're just having casual discussion

Yeah. Exept back than it wasnt the United States. It was kinda "the United Everybody Else" besides the natives, that did that.

[Leshma]

You're mixing them with conquistadors. United States of America existed and fought against native American tribes. They didn't perish before USA was founded (1776). Conflict between settlers and natives started earlier but USA forces defeated Indians, not European settlers.

[Grytviken]

You're mixing them with conquistadors. United States of America existed and fought against native American tribes. They didn't perish before USA was founded (1776). Conflict between settlers and natives started earlier but USA forces defeated Indians, not European settlers.

 The French and Spanish paid Natives to attack English settlers as early as the 1600's. During the US war of independence the British also hired many Native American and German mercenaries, this ruined relations between the colonists and many Native tribes. Native American tribes also warred with each other constantly since Europeans arrived.

[Leshma]

I fully understand the bad blood. Same with Russia and Baltic states. But where Russia and even einstein's Germany failed, USA succeed. Indian Removal Act sounds so much like Final Solution, doesn't it? Except some Jews survived and formed their own state, much like Armenians. I don't see Cherokee state today, do you? At least you've named a car after them, that's something I guess.

Indian Removal Act wasn't even supported by everybody. But it passed after much struggle. Probably one of the reasons why few decades after Civil War happened, among other things.

But let's go back to present day. Imagine Trump wins and Kebab Removal Act happens despite protests of various interest groups. USA as leading world country has every right to deal with backwards muslims, it's not like they will survive for much longer because they are constantly fighting among themselves... Isn't even that far fetched from reality at this point.

[Tibe]

Oh please, you assume that the natives ever had a shot to begin with? The moment the first outsider set foot on the New World they were fucked. You forget that entire Europe back than was at full imperial justice mode. The most the natives would have ever gotten would have been a small nation in the Americas. Thats just about it. South-America Indians are basically gone aswell. Yet the US never purged there.

I get that your in full US blame mode. Really, I do. But common? The indians? Really? Every major power at that time is to be blamed for that.