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[Nebun]

Dyadkin estimated that the USSR suffered 56 to 62 million "unnatural deaths" during that period, with 34 to 49 million directly linked to Stalin. In “Europe A History,” British historian Norman Davies counted 50 million killed between 1924-53, excluding wartime casualties.Mar 5, 2013

You don't find anything disturbing about Russia glorifying the Soviet Union in spite of millions of their own people murdered and unaccounted for?

Its all about timing, some people liked living in it closer to end of soviet union. At the beginning they hated. Russia has only win over chocolate chip cookie germany parade. They don't have Vlasov/chocolate chip cookies parades or holodomor parades etc or revolution parades or stalin parades.

[Butan]

Soviet Union = Russia+protectorates, let's not mince words here.

Russia itself = Russian oblasts + tons of republics/semi-independant/autonomous regions.

[Macropus]

Russia itself = Russian oblasts + tons of republics/semi-independant/autonomous regions.

Agree, there are significant areas in Russia where the amount of actual Russians is negligible, and where most Russians would never consider travelling for any reason.

[Grytviken]

Its all about timing, some people liked living in it closer to end of soviet union.

  This timing was built on half a century of barbarity and ignorance. Holomdor, The Katyn Massacre, Kulak massacres, mass deportations, slave labor, kangaroo court executions of intellectuals and ex politicians, land theft and the destruction of all social institutions and universities, this was not worth a barely acceptable low quality lifestyle.

 Why should the Russian government skirt their way out of paying reparations to Eastern Europe when Germany didn't? Russia killed far more people than the fascists did, and their foreign policy as of lately just adds insult to injury, calling the Ukrainians chocolate chip cookies and stealing their territory, I wonder who the real chocolate chip cookies are here, still too proud of the USSR to resort to diplomacy with these Ukrainians? I think everyone knows the reality is that Russia couldn't afford to pay reparations even if they wanted to, but I think it's the thought that counts.

[Butan]

land theft and the destruction of all social institutions and universities, this was not worth a barely acceptable low quality lifestyle.

This part is questionnable.
"land theft and the destruction of all social institutions and universities" is what most of the bourgeois must have said, but for most of the pleb it was quite the opposite.
And "barely acceptable low quality lifestyle" does not really cut it. Could be replaced by transforming the whole country from a medieval country to a first modern power (speaking of Russia here). Wasnt done with love, people suffered even at the base of the pyramid, but it sure was better than before the soviet revolution, which lasted for basically quite a long time really. Cant deny that.

[Grytviken]

This part is questionnable.
"land theft and the destruction of all social institutions and universities" is what most of the bourgeois must have said, but for most of the pleb it was quite the opposite.
And "barely acceptable low quality lifestyle" does not really cut it. Could be replaced by transforming the whole country from a medieval country to a first modern power (speaking of Russia here). Wasnt done with love, people suffered even at the base of the pyramid, but it sure was better than before the soviet revolution, which lasted for basically quite a long time really. Cant deny that.

Mainly in Eastern Europe, Russia tried to destroy all remnants of national identity from the countries they occupied. It was a well planned transition to eliminate their nationalities to ensure they couldn't regain independence to make way for their puppets. The NKVD would get into the town and city registrars and arrest/deport/execute/blackmail anyone with an education or position of authority, military, politicians and ex politicians etc along with their families.

[Nebun]

  This timing was built on half a century of barbarity and ignorance. Holomdor, The Katyn Massacre, Kulak massacres, mass deportations, slave labor, kangaroo court executions of intellectuals and ex politicians, land theft and the destruction of all social institutions and universities, this was not worth a barely acceptable low quality lifestyle.

 Why should the Russian government skirt their way out of paying reparations to Eastern Europe when Germany didn't? Russia killed far more people than the fascists did, and their foreign policy as of lately just adds insult to injury, calling the Ukrainians chocolate chip cookies and stealing their territory, I wonder who the real chocolate chip cookies are here, still too proud of the USSR to resort to diplomacy with these Ukrainians? I think everyone knows the reality is that Russia couldn't afford to pay reparations even if they wanted to, but I think it's the thought that counts.

and germans burned jews alive, if its all about numbers then not all repressed was killed, at first was civil war, most died in civil war. Death sentence was to about 800k, 2mil + got jail, some deported, some relocated. Other things for other circumstances. Shit but don't twist it to even worse russian population suffered more then any other. Stupid ideology coming from Germany! that crippled great empire. Couldn't win wars in normal way so sent an idiot with ideology to do it for u. And when everyone thought this will fuck up russia forever - it turned up to become even stronger. But i'd prefer it to stay and empire then soviet union to start with and avoid all this shit. Well i'd prefer for germany not to become chocolate chip cookie germany and killed so many ppl too, but can't change the past Now again why is the hate again? Maybe when u look at the size of russia u ding dongs go very tiny?

[Xant]

What are you talking about?

[Grytviken]

and germans burned jews alive, if its all about numbers then not all repressed was killed, at first was civil war, most died in civil war. Death sentence was to about 800k, 2mil + got jail, some deported, some relocated. Other things for other circumstances. Shit but don't twist it to even worse russian population suffered more then any other. Stupid ideology coming from Germany! that crippled great empire. Couldn't win wars in normal way so sent an idiot with ideology to do it for u. And when everyone thought this will fuck up russia forever - it turned up to become even stronger. But i'd prefer it to stay and empire then soviet union to start with and avoid all this shit. Well i'd prefer for germany not to become chocolate chip cookie germany and killed so many ppl too, but can't change the past Now again why is the hate again? Maybe when u look at the size of russia u ding dongs go very tiny?

  You're missing the point entirely, the Germans paid reparations for their crimes, Russia has not. I'm not saying blame all Russians and i'm not saying Russians didn't suffer equally bad or worse. What Germany did should not be used as an excuse for Russia to not take responsibility for their crimes in Eastern Europe, especially since they never liberated Eastern Europe, they annexed it. Germany shouldn't be the only one to pay reparations when the Soviets did far worse and lasting damages to Eastern Europe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact

This was a premeditated plan to steal territory, because the Russians got their ass kicked by Poland 20 years earlier and knew they couldn't take the territory without the Chocolate Chip Cookies, and we all know their expedition in Finland didn't go too well, partly because Stalin went on a rampage purging Russian Army officers.

  Instead of Russia helping Poland, they helped Germany invade in 1939 by attacking with 800,000 Soviet troops in coordination with the chocolate chip cookies who attacked from the West, then captured and sent all Polish POW's to gulags after executing 8000 officers (they lied and publicized that the Germans murdered them so they could recruit the Polish who were sent to gulags into the Red Army, they wanted to avenge their comrades) .

   Years later in the war they come back to "liberate" Poland, but not without first backstabbing the Polish Army and Government by refusing to advance until they were all eliminated by the Germans. They perversely stopped the advance of the Red Army and all assistance to the Polish Army they were previously coordinating with which marked the end. Russia would not let the Polish government return and broke off all communication and instead setup their own puppets, while arresting or killing the surviving Polish Army personnel and other civil authorities as they advanced through Poland.

[LordBerenger]

Europe belongs to Russia. By right.

[ecorcheur_brokar]

and germans burned jews alive, if its all about numbers then not all repressed was killed, at first was civil war, most died in civil war. Death sentence was to about 800k, 2mil + got jail, some deported, some relocated. Other things for other circumstances. Shit but don't twist it to even worse russian population suffered more then any other. Stupid ideology coming from Germany! that crippled great empire. Couldn't win wars in normal way so sent an idiot with ideology to do it for u. And when everyone thought this will fuck up russia forever - it turned up to become even stronger. But i'd prefer it to stay and empire then soviet union to start with and avoid all this shit. Well i'd prefer for germany not to become chocolate chip cookie germany and killed so many ppl too, but can't change the past Now again why is the hate again? Maybe when u look at the size of russia u ding dongs go very tiny?

What the fuck are you talking about? Is Lenin from Germany? Lenin twisted Marx ideology and Germany can not be blamed for it.

Was Christian orthodoxy born in Russia? Was even christianity born in Russia? Was this concept of Monarchy you like so much invented in Russia? Ideas don't stop at borders and you will have to deal with it and stop blaming everyone around for everything Russia has fucked by itself. Went to Moscow and when you see how they treat asians there, you realize russian border didn't block fascist ideology either.

Lol at Russian tsarist empire was so great...at least if it was the case, peasants like you wouldn't be able to type bullshit on the internet like you do

[Butan]

Mainly in Eastern Europe, Russia tried to destroy all remnants of national identity from the countries they occupied. It was a well planned transition to eliminate their nationalities to ensure they couldn't regain independence to make way for their puppets. The NKVD would get into the town and city registrars and arrest/deport/execute/blackmail anyone with an education or position of authority, military, politicians and ex politicians etc along with their families.

I do not deny these events, but to sum up the whole history of the Soviet Union by them? Nop.

[Xant]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34979249

[Rhekimos]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34979249

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