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Re: Turkey downed a Russian plane
« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2015, 02:05:40 pm »
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Re: Turkey downed a Russian plane
« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2015, 02:12:00 pm »
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About time. Russia's favorite pastime is invading other countries airspace. They've done this repeatedly to all their neighbors, and to Turkey as well multiple times recently. Maybe they'll start respecting Turkey's airspace from now on.

Russia breaks airspace with all of its neighbours all the time with bombers...infact. Not to mention their battleships always get lost in someone elses waters too. And than Kremlin has the balls to yell at someone elses face when their tiny fishingboat or passgenger plane gets legimately lost in their borders once a year. Finally someone did something about it.

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Re: Turkey downed a Russian plane
« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2015, 02:14:40 pm »
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Russia breaks airspace with all of its neighbours all the time with bombers...infact. Not to mention their battleships always get lost in someone elses waters too. And than Kremlin has the balls to yell at someone elses face when their tiny fishingboat or passgenger plane gets legimately lost in their borders once a year. Finally someone did something about it.
Not just ships and airplanes, their special forces sometimes get lost 50km into Ukraine on exercises... someone really oughta teach the Russian military how maps work.
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Re: Turkey downed a Russian plane
« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2015, 02:24:31 pm »
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Turkey (Erdogan) supports the terrorists, as well as trains them and gets a nice discount on oil. But sure, fuck Russia for intervening and bombing a rapidly spreading terrorist self-proclaimed state that declared Jihad on anyone who's not  into stoning. I swear to God, some people have such hatred for Russia that it just clouds their judgement. Thankfully not everyone is like you, even the comments for the youtube video below show it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9UJcX_UVB0

P.S. apparently i suck at inserting YT videos , but whatever

I don't care debating about Putin bombing terrorists. Just saying it's nothing new under the sun to hear about a Russian military plane violating airspaces. I mean wtf.. Seriously...
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Re: Turkey downed a Russian plane
« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2015, 02:28:10 pm »
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"Turkey vehemently opposes the Syrian regime of Bashar al-Assad. Russia is propping up the Assad regime."

"This kind of incident might ultimately have been inevitable, given the number of countries involved either directly or indirectly in the Syrian war. Currently, the United States, Russia, France, the Gulf states, Turkey and Israel are involved in one way or another in military activity in Syria."

""It's very much the last thing that's needed right now, especially in the aftermath of the Paris attacks, when there was hope that Russia could form an alliance with France and with the United States against ISIS," Gohel said. "This is going to complicate things. This is going to add unnecessary tensions that really weren't required at this critical juncture.""

"This is a situation that unfortunately was almost inevitable at some point, because Turkey has long been accusing Russia of interfering in their airspace," Gohel said. "They've threatened them in the past. And even though economic relations between the two countries are strong -- politically, there have been tensions recently.""

"In March of 2014, Turkey shot down a Syrian fighter jet after the warplane strayed into its airspace, according to then-Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Erdogan is now the country's president.

"Our F-16s went up in the air and shot that plane down. Why? Because if you violate my airspace, then from now on, our slap will be hard," Erdogan told supporters at a campaign rally in 2014.

But state-run media in Syria called it an act of "blatant aggression" and said the downed plane was over northern Syria at the time."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/24/middleeast/warplane-crashes-near-syria-turkey-border/
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To me judging by this picture (if it can be assumed that it is legitimate) it doesn't seem like the bomber would be over turkish airspace even long enough for them to issue 10 warnings and then scramble fighters and hit the russian warplane... I hope Russia retrieves it's pilots soon before crazy islam get their hands on them.

The U.S. Needs to let turkey know that this is not ok, but what Obama will probably do is try his hardest not to get involved, indirectly giving turkey the greenlight to do it again and giving Russia the impression that we are ok with this and not on their side if conflict between russia and turkey breaks out.

Turkey is a nato country though so they will probably get a gift basket from the U.S.
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Re: Turkey downed a Russian plane
« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2015, 02:32:21 pm »
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As if all other parties of the Syrian conflict had been playing by the book so far, some people are ignorant enough to blabber about air field violations. The hypocrisy is off the charts.

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Re: Turkey downed a Russian plane
« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2015, 02:41:16 pm »
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If Russia and Turkey duke it out, US has to come regardless, due to prior Alliance treaty.
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Re: Turkey downed a Russian plane
« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2015, 02:45:16 pm »
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If Russia and Turkey duke it out, US has to come regardless, due to prior Alliance treaty.

Yep and probably all Nato countries will side with Turkey, it's perfect for the U.S. and Turkey.

Take pot shots at Russian Military because Russia won't help in destabilizing Syria by elminating the Assad Regime.

Just when France was agreeing that ISIS should be the main focus and not supporting Syrian Rebel Factions against Assad as a primary focus...

Nobody like Assad, but you take him and his regime out of the equation and it isn't going to be sunshine and rainbows... It will be just like Iraq after Saddam regime was eliminated (country in turmoil, birth of ISIS)... After toppling Assad I will bet good money that ISIS numbers will swell.

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Re: Turkey downed a Russian plane
« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2015, 03:15:16 pm »
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Conspiracy theory: Ukraine revolution and middle east crisis are NWO plot to force Russia into military conflict they will lose, which will give NWO access to natural resources in Syberia.

I might be making a joke but thing is, university professors from my country will say this on national television. Those times when random citizens know better than people who have PhD. We're doomed anyway, mainly because stupid people are on the rise.

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Re: Turkey downed a Russian plane
« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2015, 03:24:02 pm »
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Well, now it's clear who's side erdogan is on.

""It's very much the last thing that's needed right now, especially in the aftermath of the Paris attacks, when there was hope that Russia could form an alliance with France and with the United States against ISIS," Gohel said. "This is going to complicate things. This is going to add unnecessary tensions that really weren't required at this critical juncture.""
I think it's no coincidence that it's just when Russia was about to form an alliance with the west that Trukey prefers to spread more tensions, they would have no benefits in Russia and Europe being more close together.

Sure Russia violated the airspace but that happens almsot everytime you make a war plane fly. Turkey was already dicks for not letting Russia fly over its territory, if their real purpose (Turkey) was to fight ISIS. But also Russia got what they asked for with playing with fire.

ps: better?

Also Russia attacked by another country defending its minority living abroad...kind of ironic ^^
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Re: Turkey downed a Russian plane
« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2015, 03:27:02 pm »
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Sure Russia violated the airspace but that happens almsot everytime you make a jet fly.
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Re: Turkey downed a Russian plane
« Reply #26 on: November 24, 2015, 03:28:41 pm »
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Russia is trying hard to get along with Europe and just when major European forces (like Germany or France) start thinking how being an ally with Russia is a good idea, USA intervenes and breaks that bond. Though luck Ruskies, learn to play this game a bit better.

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Re: Turkey downed a Russian plane
« Reply #27 on: November 24, 2015, 03:32:47 pm »
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Sure Russia violated the airspace but that happens almsot everytime you make a war plane fly

ps: better?

No it's not better, it's just as utter nonsense as it was before. How about some sources for "it's inevitable for ""war planes"" to violate airspace"?
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Re: Turkey downed a Russian plane
« Reply #28 on: November 24, 2015, 03:36:06 pm »
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Thing is, Russia still believe they are big bad Soviets and are on par with USA. As we all know, American aircrafts are allowed everywhere on this planet, so Ruskies think they can do the same. Turns out they can't. Now they can launch them nukes and hope they hit the target or make an angry face while retreating back to their cave.

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