Turkey downed a Russian plane

[cup457]

How about some sources for these various claims?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/24/middleeast/warplane-crashes-near-syria-turkey-border/index.html
http://www.businessinsider.com/turkish-and-greek-jets-engaged-in-dogfight-2015-7
my bad they only violate greeces airspace 10/17 times in 2014. RESPECTO UR AIRSPACE BUT WE WONT RESPECT YOURS -turkey

[Knute]

From another article about the buildup to this, Turkey warned Russia a few days ago about bombing Turkmen villages on their border:

Turkey has warned Russia it has every right to retaliate and take necessary measures in the event its border security is threatened as a result of the Russian military’s operations targeting civilian Turkmen Syrians on the Turkish-Syrian border.

The warning was conveyed to Russian Ambassador to Turkey Andrei Karlov on Nov. 19, as he was summoned to the Foreign Ministry in reaction to Russian air strikes on Turkmen villages in northwestern Syria only a few kilometers from the Turkish border, daily Hürriyet has learned from reliable sources.

Assad in efforts to open a corridor to Idlib

In response to Turkey’s statements, Russian diplomatic and military sources argued the targets of their operations were terrorist groups and they did not conduct attacks on Turkmens.

However, according to assessments by counties in the U.S.-led coalition, Russia and Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s regime were trying to open a corridor to Idlib, a northern city under the control of a coalition of opposition forces. Attacks being carried out around Jisr al-Shughur, a northern Syrian town only 20 kilometers from the Turkish border, aimed to take control of this very strategic spot to reach Idlib, the assessments indicated.

The Moscow-Damascus duo was trying to increase the area under their influence before the ceasefire to be implemented on Jan 1, 2016, according to the coalition countries. They believed al-Assad is trying to strengthen his authority in areas under his control and at the same establish a buffer zone around the enclave he is ruling.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-warns-russia-over-border-security.aspx?pageID=238&nID=91568&NewsCatID=510

[Grytviken]

This is the muslim scum the U.S. has been arming, training and supporting in hopes of toppling Assad regime.
I see no difference between them an ISIS other than the fact they wear different fatigues.

At least now the whole world will start to see the U.S. has a warped goal in arming FSA rebels rather than treating them for what they are... More islamic extremists that share many of the same goals as ISIS.

   Well this is the stance Russia wanted to take. Russia made it clear it will not distinguish between the FSA and ISIS. Assad and Russia have no ground forces in eastern Syria, which means there is no way of controlling the border with Turkey. Letting ISIS control that border is not an option especially when Europe has left the door wide open for these Islamic State "refugees".

[Vovka]

[Latvian]

i wonder who western world hates more,  russians or isis and why do kebabs keep yelling allahu akbar like retards, isnt 1 time enough?

[Tibe]

Russias planes getting lost in some territory they shouldnt be, happens all the freaking time. NATO fighters near a base in my country keep flying almost weekly to escort another lost motherlands bomber. If I didnt know any better, they are doing it on purpose, to pretend like they have some moral high ground when their stupid ass plane actually ends up getting shot. Like now. Once again their drunk pilots just dont give a shit and fly randomly everywhere and now its everybody elses fault an actual accident happened this time. Bitch please. Who are they trying to convince that its not their fault? Belarussia?

I quite often think about wtf are those russian pilots thinking back at their base. I mean, this shit happens so often, I get the impression they are playing the "dare" game and laughing about it loudly whenever they get back to base. "So comrad Igor, bottle of vodka, if you fly into NATO territory and not make WWIII". To which comrad Igor immediately puts on his helmet and flies away. Because their officials dont really give a crap and neither does Kremlin. Everything is fine, if Igor gets back to base and the motherlands jet is unharmed, even if it broke like 6 country borders.

[Vovka]

Russias planes getting lost in some territory they shouldnt be, happens all the freaking time. NATO fighters near a base in my country keep flying almost weekly to escort another lost motherlands bomber. If I didnt know any better, they are doing it on purpose, to pretend like they have some moral high ground when their stupid ass plane actually ends up getting shot. Like now. Once again their drunk pilots just dont give a shit and fly randomly everywhere and now its everybody elses fault an actual accident happened this time. Bitch please. Who are they trying to convince that its not their fault? Belarussia?

I quite often think about wtf are those russian pilots thinking back at their base. I mean, this shit happens so often, I get the impression they are playing the "dare" game and laughing about it loudly whenever they get back to base. "So comrad Igor, bottle of vodka, if you fly into NATO territory and not make WWIII". To which comrad Igor immediately puts on his helmet and flies away. Because their officials dont really give a crap and neither does Kremlin. Everything is fine, if Igor gets back to base and the motherlands jet is unharmed, even if it broke like 6 country borders.

each of your new post does not bring anything new, I am sure you will die with the same words, without seeing the attack treacherous Russian

[Christo]

each of your new post does not bring anything new, I am sure you will die with the same words, without seeing the attack treacherous Russian

shaddap and rash B suka blyat ))

[Grytviken]

Russias planes getting lost in some territory they shouldnt be, happens all the freaking time. NATO fighters near a base in my country keep flying almost weekly to escort another lost motherlands bomber. If I didnt know any better, they are doing it on purpose, to pretend like they have some moral high ground when their stupid ass plane actually ends up getting shot. Like now. Once again their drunk pilots just dont give a shit and fly randomly everywhere and now its everybody elses fault an actual accident happened this time. Bitch please. Who are they trying to convince that its not their fault? Belarussia?

I quite often think about wtf are those russian pilots thinking back at their base. I mean, this shit happens so often, I get the impression they are playing the "dare" game and laughing about it loudly whenever they get back to base. "So comrad Igor, bottle of vodka, if you fly into NATO territory and not make WWIII". To which comrad Igor immediately puts on his helmet and flies away. Because their officials dont really give a crap and neither does Kremlin. Everything is fine, if Igor gets back to base and the motherlands jet is unharmed, even if it broke like 6 country borders.

I feel sorry for the Russian pilots. But this is what happens when you lie constantly, and then cover up it up with more lies. The Turkish government summoned the Russian ambassador in October and gave out a strict warning which was mostly laughed off by the Kremlin. Flying over and violating Turkish airspace undermines Turkey's credibility and makes Turkey appear weak, that's exactly why they do it.

[Sir_Hans]

From another article about the buildup to this, Turkey warned Russia a few days ago about bombing Turkmen villages on their border:

Oh please... Turkey isn't doing this because of national defense of their borders...
They are doing it because of Russia recently started bombing all the oil going from ISIS into Turkey.
Now Turkey isn't getting the oil from ISIS and they are pissed because they are losing out on millions, potentially billions of dollars from the destruction of their ISIS muslim brothers.

[Grytviken]

Oh please... Turkey isn't doing this because of national defense of their borders...
They are doing it because of Russia recently started bombing all the oil going from ISIS into Turkey.
Now Turkey isn't getting the oil from ISIS and they are pissed because they are losing out on millions, potentially billions of dollars from the destruction of their ISIS muslim brothers.

 So what, proves absolutely nothing. The US Air Force destroyed over 300 ISIS oil trucks and a refinery last week. The only difference is we gave the truck drivers (who were probably forced to run the oil) a warning and a chance to run for their lives before we dropped the bombs.

[Ujin]

I feel sorry for the Russian pilots. But this is what happens when you lie constantly, and then cover up it up with more lies. The Turkish government summoned the Russian ambassador in October and gave out a strict warning which was mostly laughed off by the Kremlin. Flying over and violating Turkish airspace undermines Turkey's credibility and makes Turkey appear weak, that's exactly why they do it.

Cause, while you're busy fighting a very-well financed and large force that has a very catchy "allahu akhbar!" motto, it's extremely important to keep track of what's really urgent and waste money, fuel, time and resources just to make a certain country appear "weak". Lol come on, think.
What this might be really about though is that Russia's been substantially disrupting the Isis-Turkey oil exchange, which allegedly is controlled by Erdogans beloved son.

But don't mind me, believe whatever you want. Those pesky daredevil Russian pilots got what they deserved for flying over Turkey (which, btw, isn't even a sure thing to claim, even Pentagon with their obvious bias are waiting on this before making any statements).

In any case, i actually tend to agree with Leshma on the topic of Russia's response. I think it won't be as obvious and dramatic in terms of publicity and media coverage. One of the more believable (to me, at least) ways to get back at Turkey for this might be that Russia will start supporting  Kurds, either with providing them with weapons and finances or diplomatically, maybe both.

[Tibe]

each of your new post does not bring anything new, I am sure you will die with the same words, without seeing the attack treacherous Russian

I think so too. Im quite sure comrad Igor will never bomb me, but I think he still deserves to receive some shit for being a massive hypocrite, while he's the one accepting national relations related dares for years now.

[Grytviken]

Cause, while you're busy fighting a very-well financed and large force that has a very catchy "allahu akhbar!" motto, it's extremely important to keep track of what's really urgent and waste money, fuel, time and resources just to make a certain country appear "weak". Lol come on, think.
What this might be really about though is that Russia's been substantially disrupting the Isis-Turkey oil exchange, which allegedly is controlled by Erdogans beloved son.

But don't mind me, believe whatever you want. Those pesky daredevil Russian pilots got what they deserved for flying over Turkey (which, btw, isn't even a sure thing to claim, even Pentagon with their obvious bias are waiting on this before making any statements).

In any case, i actually tend to agree with Leshma on the topic of Russia's response. I think it won't be as obvious and dramatic in terms of publicity and media coverage. One of the more believable (to me, at least) ways to get back at Turkey for this might be that Russia will start supporting  Kurds, either with providing them with weapons and finances or diplomatically, maybe both.

 Russia is more interested in manipulating the Oil economy than the United States is. Russia is dependent on exporting oil, the United States is not. A pipeline through Syria into Turkey is bad business for Russian interests, but will have no effect on the US either way. I find it hilarious that these oil accusations come from a country who's economy is 90% dependent on manipulating the oil market to export oil to Europe at a higher cost, especially when the US has been bombing these oil depots, refineries and trucks for years.

[Ujin]

Russia is more interested in manipulating the Oil economy than the United States is. Russia is dependent on exporting oil, the United States is not. A pipeline through Syria into Turkey is bad business for Russian interests, but will have no effect on the US either way. I find it hilarious that these oil accusations come from a country who's economy is 90% dependent on manipulating the oil market to export oil to Europe at a higher cost, especially when the US has been bombing these oil depots, refineries and trucks for years.

I'm glad we both can at least agree that your previous statement was nonsensical  now that you're diverting to your views on global economy. Oh and where did i mention the U.S.  ?
Regardless of what you find hilarious, you've actually just reinforced my argument there. Russia may strongly depend on oil, but  where do you think all that oil from ISIS goes? And yeah, surely the famed US bombings of ISIS were really helpful...lol