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Re: Turkey downed a Russian plane
« Reply #285 on: November 30, 2015, 02:05:52 pm »
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Can we now go back to make fun of Turkey please?

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You can make fun of something when told to. Can't bother going through post history on this forum (SMF search is just lovely) but it went something like this:
  • few years ago Assad was found out to be killing Syrian children with chemical weapons in attempt to remove rebel threat - cRPG angry at Assad. Satan, sadist and tyrant. Has Ruskie support. Bring him down.
  • ISIL has grown, became a threat, Charlie Hebdo happened - Assad may be an asshole but fuck it those children aren't ours. Assad man good enough, keep him to fight ISIL and restore piece in middle east, we can live with his tyranny. We can live with Putin supporting him.
  • Assad losing the fight against ISIL and in the process becoming a better man (!?), forum fully supports Assad bro; ISIL chopping heads off left and right, angry gaijin call for crusade.
  • ISIL wrecks Paris, Oberyn fuming, Pepe not sure of his emotions; Forum in FULL KEBAB HATE MODE, forum muslims feel it and make funny posts; Assad major bro, a saviors son; Grand savior of world and mankind, Putin-san bombs the living shit out of ISIL; We are winning, no need for crusade, our slavic brothers will win the war for us. Bombing is good for people in ze middel east! (not like we care if they they die, means less filthy ISIL warriors entering EU disguised as refugees)
  • Ruskie pilot after few bottles of Vodka, navigating with Soviet map dating before WWII enters Turkish border for few hundert meters, just after he dropped some bass on them Turkmen uhm ISIL villages; Erdogod's son pissed off because latest free oil shipments are late beccause destroyed says FUCK IT and orders mighty Turkish army to bring down the pilot. Plane went fuming, pilot shot in air, Turkmen going Allah Ackbar for 30 minutes...
  • We should be angry as ISIL, but Norwegian NATO boss says Russia will be dealt with if touches our Turkey before Thanksgiving. Russia bad, Assad devil, forgot about ISIL and Paris. It's time for festivities, fellow forumen.

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Re: Turkey downed a Russian plane
« Reply #286 on: November 30, 2015, 04:03:38 pm »
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This might be very well true.
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Re: Turkey downed a Russian plane
« Reply #287 on: November 30, 2015, 04:58:08 pm »
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The alleged Fascist marches, that Kremlin trolls are sure to bring up at any opportunity are actually Baltic Legionnaire marches, where old war veterans go to lay down flowers in remembrance of their fallen comrades.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latvian_Legion

Any attempt to point this out inevitably turns to a change of topic to some other (previously likewise refuted) accusation of fascism.

Also, government of Latvia is not nationalistic. Hell, the only actually nationalistic Latvian party gets less seats than the rather likewise nationalistic "Russian" party. Most others do not want to cooperate with either.

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Re: Turkey downed a Russian plane
« Reply #288 on: November 30, 2015, 05:07:53 pm »
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The alleged Fascist marches, that Kremlin trolls are sure to bring up at any opportunity are actually Baltic Legionnaire marches, where old war veterans go to lay down flowers in remembrance of their fallen comrades.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latvian_Legion

Any attempt to point this out inevitably turns to a change of topic to some other (previously likewise refuted) accusation of fascism.

Also, government of Latvia is not nationalistic. Hell, the only actually nationalistic Latvian party gets less seats than the rather likewise nationalistic "Russian" party. Most others do not want to cooperate with either.
Yeah, a fascist nationalist WOULD say that, wouldn't he?
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Re: Turkey downed a Russian plane
« Reply #289 on: November 30, 2015, 05:46:50 pm »
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The alleged Fascist marches, that Kremlin trolls are sure to bring up at any opportunity are actually Baltic Legionnaire marches, where old war veterans go to lay down flowers in remembrance of their fallen comrades.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latvian_Legion

Any attempt to point this out inevitably turns to a change of topic to some other (previously likewise refuted) accusation of fascism.

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The Latvian Legion (Latvian: Latviešu leģions) was a formation of the Waffen-SS during World War II created in 1943, consisting primarily of ethnic Latvian soldiers.

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The Waffen-SS (German pronunciation: [ˈvafən.ɛs.ɛs], Armed SS) was created as the armed wing of the chocolate chip cookie Party's Schutzstaffel (SS, "Protective Squadron"),[2] and gradually developed into a multi-ethnic and multi-national military force of chocolate chip cookie Germany.

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Ceremonial chief: Heinrich Himmler

I don't understand how they aren't related with nazis. Schutzstaffel was private nazi army.

For example, if you wanted to make a case of Rommel's Africa Korps having loose ties with chocolate chip cookies, I would back you up there. Because they were part of Wehrmacht and weren't involved in atrocities nazis committed during WWII.

Edit: Here's EU stance on that issue

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On 21 February 2012, The Council of Europe’s Commission against Racism and Intolerance published its report on Latvia (fourth monitoring cycle), in which it condemned Latvian Legion Day which commemorates persons who had fought in a Latvian unit of the Waffen-SS and takes place every year on 16 March. It is held in the centre of Riga. Within that report is the following statement which applies universally concerning the Waffen-SS, "All attempts to commemorate persons who fought in the Waffen-SS and collaborated with the chocolate chip cookies, should be condemned. Any gathering or march legitimising YMCA in any way should be banned."
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Re: Turkey downed a Russian plane
« Reply #290 on: November 30, 2015, 05:49:48 pm »
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I'll back you up any time you want, Leshman.
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Re: Turkey downed a Russian plane
« Reply #291 on: November 30, 2015, 06:44:24 pm »
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Yes, Leshma, an army unit fighting under the Nazis is related to them, however did you come to that amazing conclusion?

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is themselves.

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Oberführer albert Ax, commander of the 15th Division, reported on 27 January 1945: "They are first and foremost Latvians. They want a sustainable Latvian nation state. Forced to choose between Germany and Russia, they have chosen Germany, because they seek co-operation with western civilization. The rule of the Germans seems to them to be the lesser of two evils."[13] This perspective resulted in part from the Soviet occupation between 1940 and 1941, called "The Year of Terror" (Latvian: Baigais gads) during which tens of thousands of Latvian families were executed or deported to Siberia with men separated from the women and children to break down resistance.[14]

Legion command emphasized that the Latvians were fighting against Soviet re-occupation. Conscripts promised in the name of God to be subservient to the German military and its commander albert einstein, to be courageous and to be prepared to give up their life in the fight against Bolshevism.[15] Legionnaires hoped to fight off the Red Army until it was no longer a threat to Latvia and then turn against chocolate chip cookie Germany, as a repeat of the Latvian War of Independence of 1918-1920, when Latvian forces expelled both Bolshevik and German forces. Legionnaires carried Latvian flags under their uniforms as a symbol of that hope.[16] This sentiment was also reflected in one of the most popular Legion songs which went "We will beat the Russians now and we will beat the Germans after that" (with euphemisms for Russians and Germans).[6] The Allies confirmed this as early as 1943, when a British investigative mission found Latvians stood against both their Soviet and German occupiers.[17]

As for CEARI, i suppose they eventually fell victim to Kremlin rhetoric and the incessant, non-stop provocations that the marches opponents (pro-soviet, pro-kremlin, even actively anti-Latvian groups) were doing to disrupt that event and eventually attract their Latvian nationalistic counterparts (tiny bands of radicals) to radicalize the whole thing.

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Re: Turkey downed a Russian plane
« Reply #292 on: November 30, 2015, 07:09:44 pm »
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You can find that document online. It does mention Russians but also mentions Jewish graves being desecrated, bad treatment of Roma population and other things typical for former Block countries. Document sounds like typical Human Rights rhetoric, doesn't look like Kremlin propaganda to me.

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Re: Turkey downed a Russian plane
« Reply #293 on: November 30, 2015, 07:21:16 pm »
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You can make fun of something when told to. Can't bother going through post history on this forum (SMF search is just lovely) but it went something like this:
  • few years ago Assad was found out to be killing Syrian children with chemical weapons in attempt to remove rebel threat - cRPG angry at Assad. Satan, sadist and tyrant. Has Ruskie support. Bring him down.
  • ISIL has grown, became a threat, Charlie Hebdo happened - Assad may be an asshole but fuck it those children aren't ours. Assad man good enough, keep him to fight ISIL and restore piece in middle east, we can live with his tyranny. We can live with Putin supporting him.
  • Assad losing the fight against ISIL and in the process becoming a better man (!?), forum fully supports Assad bro; ISIL chopping heads off left and right, angry gaijin call for crusade.
  • ISIL wrecks Paris, Oberyn fuming, Pepe not sure of his emotions; Forum in FULL KEBAB HATE MODE, forum muslims feel it and make funny posts; Assad major bro, a saviors son; Grand savior of world and mankind, Putin-san bombs the living shit out of ISIL; We are winning, no need for crusade, our slavic brothers will win the war for us. Bombing is good for people in ze middel east! (not like we care if they they die, means less filthy ISIL warriors entering EU disguised as refugees)
  • Ruskie pilot after few bottles of Vodka, navigating with Soviet map dating before WWII enters Turkish border for few hundert meters, just after he dropped some bass on them Turkmen uhm ISIL villages; Erdogod's son pissed off because latest free oil shipments are late beccause destroyed says FUCK IT and orders mighty Turkish army to bring down the pilot. Plane went fuming, pilot shot in air, Turkmen going Allah Ackbar for 30 minutes...
  • We should be angry as ISIL, but Norwegian NATO boss says Russia will be dealt with if touches our Turkey before Thanksgiving. Russia bad, Assad devil, forgot about ISIL and Paris. It's time for festivities, fellow forumen.

Merkel has a dick beneath that skirt :P

u forgot to mention how many USA killed in middle east. Not that Sadam or Assad great guys, but west outkilled them
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Re: Turkey downed a Russian plane
« Reply #294 on: November 30, 2015, 07:24:35 pm »
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u forgot to mention how many USA killed in middle east. Not that Sadam or Assad great guys, but west outkilled them
Yes, killing the killers.
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Re: Turkey downed a Russian plane
« Reply #295 on: November 30, 2015, 07:34:36 pm »
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Are you kidding me? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor  Starving millions of Ukrainians to death is winning out? Are you really surprised that Ukrainians and Cossacks cheered on the Germans when they entered Ukraine and many of them even helped the Germans?  I don't think Ukraine owes anything to Russia, I think it should be the other way around, but like we see today, the Russians are still hell bent on screwing over their neighbors and infiltrating their government to "influence" them.

Did u read the full story or is it Ukraine edited version? Holodomor was in my country too and all over russia and many other soviet union regions. Very bad thing for sure. If u want to blame someone on large scale then blame all soviet union, all soviet parties in each country. If u need specific person, then u can blame stalin who is georgian. The thing is that russia lived through all the shit as well. Now its not a soviet country anymore. Same as french is not napoleonic empire and german is no longer chocolate chip cookie germany and usa stopped killing indians, maybe because none left or they like their casinos, they have other entertainment - making bets if black children will live up to 30 without getting shot by a cop.
My grandparents told me of holodomor times btw, horrible times. But before Soviet Union collapsed they loved Soviet Union. They loved the free stuff. But younger ppl inc me now didn't like it.
So its not black and white and russian not supose to be blamed for everything especially for chocolate chip cookie marches in Lithuania.
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Re: Turkey downed a Russian plane
« Reply #296 on: November 30, 2015, 07:38:34 pm »
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Yes, killing the killers.

U missed huge trail of dead civilians, or they don't report u on things like this. I think the only thing they told u is the recent hospital bombing, and only because its international organisation. There is no war without casulties. Otherwise west should have invaded ukraine for killing their own people.
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Re: Turkey downed a Russian plane
« Reply #297 on: November 30, 2015, 07:46:49 pm »
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Yes, every person Russia has ever killed has deserved it. The new tech from the motherland cant kill you if you are innocent or not a neo-nazi. :lol:

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Re: Turkey downed a Russian plane
« Reply #298 on: November 30, 2015, 08:17:30 pm »
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Did u read the full story or is it Ukraine edited version? Holodomor was in my country too and all over russia and many other soviet union regions. Very bad thing for sure. If u want to blame someone on large scale then blame all soviet union, all soviet parties in each country. If u need specific person, then u can blame stalin who is georgian. The thing is that russia lived through all the shit as well. Now its not a soviet country anymore. Same as french is not napoleonic empire and german is no longer chocolate chip cookie germany and usa stopped killing indians, maybe because none left or they like their casinos, they have other entertainment - making bets if black children will live up to 30 without getting shot by a cop.
My grandparents told me of holodomor times btw, horrible times. But before Soviet Union collapsed they loved Soviet Union. They loved the free stuff. But younger ppl inc me now didn't like it.
So its not black and white and russian not supose to be blamed for everything especially for chocolate chip cookie marches in Lithuania.

 Why shouldn't Russia be blamed? Holomdor doesn't even scratch the surface for all the atrocities and backstabbing Russia has committed in Eastern Europe. Russians deported millions of people in Eastern Europe to gulags and replaced them with Russian citizens who were given stolen land, just look at Kaliningrad. Napoleon and the Indians and what happened 200 years ago has nothing to do with this. Who cares if Stalin was Georgian, Albert was Austrian. The difference is all other Nations have been held accountable for their actions,

 I don't see Germany or Austria denying, threatening or antagonizing nations around them. Russia is home to the largest number of Neo-Chocolate Chip cookies in the world so it's quite hilarious to see them throwing stones in their glass house. It's offensive and humiliating to alot of people, and I don't see any other country doing this. Of course no sane person would go around blaming all Russians for being chocolate chip cookies, can't say the same about the Russian government in 2015 though.
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Re: Turkey downed a Russian plane
« Reply #299 on: November 30, 2015, 08:52:08 pm »
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Russia is home to the largest number of Neo-Chocolate Chip cookies in the world

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