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Re: Turkey downed a Russian plane
« Reply #330 on: December 02, 2015, 08:59:59 pm »
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Re: Turkey downed a Russian plane
« Reply #332 on: December 02, 2015, 09:24:08 pm »
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Holy shit. Western manipulated media is always one thing, that kinda shoots single rounds at what it aims, but the Russian propagandamachine is always a true magnificent piece of art to behold, that bazookas it. It just literally pounds that which it aims to the absolute ground, claiming almost everything imaginable. The word subtle is also another word that doesn't translate to russian well. :lol:

Its quite fun to watch Ergodan sweat and forced to be grounded for once, by someone similarly biased as him. Slim chance he might actually turn out as a normal person after this shitstorm.
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Re: Turkey downed a Russian plane
« Reply #333 on: December 02, 2015, 11:27:36 pm »
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Holy shit. Western manipulated media is always one thing, that kinda shoots single rounds at what it aims, but the Russian propagandamachine is always a true magnificent piece of art to behold, that bazookas it. It just literally pounds that which it aims to the absolute ground, claiming almost everything imaginable. The word subtle is also another word that doesn't translate to russian well. :lol:

Its quite fun to watch Ergodan sweat and forced to be grounded for once, by someone similarly biased as him. Slim chance he might actually turn out as a normal person after this shitstorm.

You got to pray that this mean the beginning of a Ukrainian-like "revolution" in the near future  :P

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Re: Turkey downed a Russian plane
« Reply #334 on: December 03, 2015, 12:22:07 am »
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http://www.mediaite.com/online/turkish-court-hires-lord-of-the-rings-experts-to-decide-if-gollum-insults-the-president/

Turkey:

Doctor Bilgin Ciftci was fired from his job and could face two years in prison after he reportedly shared an online meme comparing President Recep Tayyip Erdogan to the faces of the iconic J. R. R. Tolkien character.
"Since the chief judge of Ciftci’s trial had neither read the books, nor seen the film franchise, the court appointed experts and asked them to determine whether the comparison is indeed an insult. The group will include two academics, two behavioral psychologists, and a cinema and television productions expert."

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We should have jumped at the chance to kick Turkey out of Nato.   :?
Muslim countries r crazy.

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Re: Turkey downed a Russian plane
« Reply #335 on: December 03, 2015, 12:33:33 am »
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Like it or not there are tons of reasons why the West needs Turkey on its side. Russia now politically harassing Turkey is pretty much a godsend. The West cant(as in can try, but really should not) influence Turkey and its retard president to do anything for, again tons of reasons.  Russia cant(as in can try, but really cant) either, but it can atleast scare him and call it names. That counts for something.

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Re: Turkey downed a Russian plane
« Reply #336 on: December 03, 2015, 02:27:25 am »
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I understand U.S. doesn't want to lose access to Turkey military airbases for doing airstrikes in Syria... but we don't really need those airbases. We have aircraft carriers which can fill that role. I'm sure there are more reasons than that, but not that I'm aware of.

Also there are plenty of countries we are allied with and cooperate with militarily which aren't in Nato. Kicking them out of nato wouldn't be the same as ending all military cooperation.
Afghanistan, Argentina, Bahrain, Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Kuwait, Morocco, and Pakistan for example.

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Re: Turkey downed a Russian plane
« Reply #337 on: December 03, 2015, 02:35:10 am »
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I understand U.S. doesn't want to lose access to Turkey military airbases for doing airstrikes in Syria... but we don't really need those airbases. We have aircraft carriers which can fill that role. I'm sure there are more reasons than that, but not that I'm aware of.

Also there are plenty of countries we are allied with and cooperate with militarily which aren't in Nato. Kicking them out of nato wouldn't be the same as ending all military cooperation.
Afghanistan, Argentina, Bahrain, Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Kuwait, Morocco, and Pakistan for example.

Russia should just join NATO and no more problems

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Re: Turkey downed a Russian plane
« Reply #338 on: December 03, 2015, 03:38:10 am »
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Russia should make their own Nato alliance with China, Iran, Syria, North Korea, Palestine and start recruiting others into the fold... Prep up those weapons of war for WW3.
Finally America will get to use it's F-22 Raptors in a combat mission.

Apparently nato just invited Monteblack in spanish into the alliance... Drawing the expected ire of Russia.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/03/world/europe/kerry-nato-syria-russia.html?_r=0
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/324312-west-russia-nato-monteblack in spanish/

Really it just seems like the west is provoking Russia with this invitation... Monteblack in spanish a country of about 600k with virtually no military doesn't add much to the table in terms of benefits other than expanding Nato territory/airspace.

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Re: Turkey downed a Russian plane
« Reply #339 on: December 03, 2015, 05:52:39 am »
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The thing with the black people hill tribe is that half of them are actually pro-russian and mad as fuck about this.

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Re: Turkey downed a Russian plane
« Reply #340 on: December 03, 2015, 06:07:02 am »
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I just have to throw in some facts here.

Russia, in the eyes of the Baltics, and most of the west, is an absolute shithole. You have absolute corruption poisoning the society, basically making it very dysfunctional, extreme poverty and extremely rich thieves. All of this is exactly true.

The thing that makes it so painful to watch is that it's filled with relatively educated, modern human beings that live and die every day in this dysfunctional society. And they still don't see that it's their own people at fault! It's not about the west dominating or stealing anything from Russia, it's Russia looting itself. I saw it with my own eyes when I was in Svetlogorsk and Kaliningrad, supposedly one of the more modern parts of Russia. How the fuck can you guys stand it? I know it's not that easy to travel around, but ffs go and see with your own eyes. Go to Scandinavia, or even the Baltics or Poland. They've had huge huge progress since they joined EU. Poland now, and Poland 7 years ago (when I arrived) has developed immensely.

Nebun is the biggest mystery here. Moldova is the shittiest shithole of Europe, and inside it, an even shittier shithole, Transnitria, which basically is a country run on pensions and cheap gas! (Don't ask me how it works!)

This is what most of Ukraine, and the Baltics wanted to get the fuck far away from.

And OF COURSE Russian propaganda is trying to paint the west blacker than black. Really, yes there's neochocolate chip cookie demonstrations, now and then, here and there, because we are free societies where freak groups like that can actually exist legally. And It's true that when you count in Nashi and the like, you basically have russian version of hitlerjugend. It's not better, actually much worse since it's state supported.

Now about that plane.

I think its like this: Erdogan, the Assad, Kurd and Greece hater, nationalist to the extreme (like other nations with greater pasts..), is looking for an excuse to shoot down a Russian bomber screwing over the bullshit western fight against IS. West has little power over Turkey anyway, and has been letting them play their game in "their" neighbourhood, and Russia arrived to fuck it all over.

Putin doesn't mind at all. Great opportunity, he thinks, to undress the will-less helpless western fight against IS, and at the same time score enough points for the west to let him get away with Ukraine. Turkey and the west simply lost an excellent game of power politics played by Putin. (Who _can_ play such games because he's basically a dictator while the western powers has to meet and talk for ages and ages and ages..  )
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Re: Turkey downed a Russian plane
« Reply #341 on: December 03, 2015, 06:14:09 am »
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Russia should make their own Nato alliance with China, Iran, Syria, North Korea, Palestine and start recruiting others into the fold... Prep up those weapons of war for WW3.
Finally America will get to use it's F-22 Raptors in a combat mission.

Apparently nato just invited Monteblack in spanish into the alliance... Drawing the expected ire of Russia.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/03/world/europe/kerry-nato-syria-russia.html?_r=0
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/324312-west-russia-nato-monteblack in spanish/

Really it just seems like the west is provoking Russia with this invitation... Monteblack in spanish a country of about 600k with virtually no military doesn't add much to the table in terms of benefits other than expanding Nato territory/airspace.

With public rhetoric like this it doesn't surprise me they would want to join NATO.

“The continuing expansion of NATO and NATO’s military infrastructure to the East, of course, cannot but lead to response actions from the East, namely the Russian side,” Mr. Peskov said.

Dmitri S. Peskov, the Kremlin spokesman, said that a NATO expansion would be met with unspecified retaliatory measures from Russia.

Adm. Vladimir Komoyedov, chairman of the Duma’s defense committee, said, “They are ready to admit even the North Pole to NATO just for the sake of encircling Russia.” The invitation to Monteblack in spanish, he said, means that NATO “was and remains an adversary of Russia.”

 lol  10,000 km border with China and Mongolia, so encircled.

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Re: Turkey downed a Russian plane
« Reply #342 on: December 03, 2015, 08:01:43 am »
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Nebun is the biggest mystery here. Moldova is the shittiest shithole of Europe, and inside it, an even shittier shithole, Transnitria, which basically is a country run on pensions and cheap gas! (Don't ask me how it works!)

Not really that much of a mystery. As I understood he has that typical "the West is the reason why my country was poor in the first place" stance. And he kinda hates the EUs policy on Romania. Pretty sure if countries like Poland and other Eastern-EUs backed Russia instead of the West, theyd be still living in a mudpile. Its kinda funny how Kremlin doesnt really want to awknowledge the fact that its once occupied lands have so much higher livingstandards than its core. I call that a basic fail. Is it really a suprise USSR collapsed, when its provinces governments have proven to be so much more capable in running a country that Russia ever has, while also retaining significantly more of its autonomy, than the federations governments.

No suprise aswell that Ukraine made that desperate leap. Slightly late, but better late than never.
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Re: Turkey downed a Russian plane
« Reply #343 on: December 03, 2015, 08:46:38 am »
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Apparently nato just invited Monteblack in spanish into the alliance... Drawing the expected ire of Russia.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/03/world/europe/kerry-nato-syria-russia.html?_r=0
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/324312-west-russia-nato-monteblack in spanish/

Really it just seems like the west is provoking Russia with this invitation... Monteblack in spanish a country of about 600k with virtually no military doesn't add much to the table in terms of benefits other than expanding Nato territory/airspace.

Monteblack in spanish is not part of Russia and never has. Montenegrins can decide what they want for themselves. If Russia doesn't like the result then too bad.

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Re: Turkey downed a Russian plane
« Reply #344 on: December 03, 2015, 08:54:54 am »
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Montenegrins can decide what they want for themselves.
Sure but only if it corresponds the wishes of NATO and the US  :P Otherwise, this is propaganda and falsification of Communists
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