so basically you want to screw over everyone with alts because you can't stop respeccing or make an alt :rolleyes:
merc mod is a pile of trash. if you want to be lots of different classes play STF. As for unbalanced remember the global respec and the tons of high lvl ranged that turned up?
so basically you want to screw over everyone with alts because you can't stop respeccing or make an alt :rolleyes:
so basically you want to screw over everyone with alts because you can't stop respeccing or make an alt :rolleyes: 1)
merc mod is a pile of trash. if you want to be lots of different classes play STF.2) As for unbalanced remember the global respec and the tons of high lvl ranged that turned up?3)
I'd be ok with it, if it was still fairly expensive. 150 - 200k which a new player wont get until they sell a lp anyways.What the hell man, most level 30 builds suck balls given the competition of all the highlevel players on the servers. And you wanna see at level 20 if your build is good or not? Good luck...
If you make it too cheap then the significance of planning your build loses all meaning. And it does feel good when you get it right.
When i was new I didn't mind losing half my xp. I'd say that's fair anyhow.
As long as you keep trying shit below level 20 it doesn't take long before you're back where you were.
I'd be ok with it, if it was still fairly expensive. 150 - 200k which a new player wont get until they sell a lp anyways.
If you make it too cheap then the significance of planning your build loses all meaning. And it does feel good when you get it right.
When i was new I didn't mind losing half my xp. I'd say that's fair anyhow.
As long as you keep trying shit below level 20 it doesn't take long before you're back where you were.
whereby training lessons were available to all players whenever they choose to "retrain" but the price being consistently between 100 and 150k. This way everyone knows where they stand, clans can come together to help their friends afford the price.
why stop there, If you cant compete at level 30 you clearly cant compete without full set of looms. Why not free loom respecs too!
If there gets to be free respecs then how do you expect all who bought training lessons to feel?I am not impressed. You had the chance to complain just as we are doing now, and there are so many easymode builds, kiting Longbow is just one of them.
Also if this gets implemented I'm going level 35 longbow that can kite because FU.
If there gets to be free respecs then how do you expect all who bought training lessons to feel?
Also if this gets implemented I'm going level 35 longbow that can kite because FU.
I don't know. giving free respect to everyone kinda destroys the fun part of this game.
but srsly : i'd rather see gen 1-3 given free respecs than lvl 36 veterans.
the new player problem is the only valid point in my opinion.
maybe a dynamic respec/cost system would be a good solution - the higher your level and gen, the more you pay.
meaning that new players can respec at any time without having to pay while high level chars are given a little penalty which might counter troll- and exploiting motivated respecs.
also i like the 1 free respec per month idea.
why stop there, If you cant compete at level 30 you clearly cant compete without full set of looms. Why not free loom respecs too!
As for alts i have my main at level 32, A gen 4 alt lvl 30. A gen 2 lvl 30 a Gen 2 lvl 29 and a lvl 28 (i respec my alts pretty often) If i didnt need alts my main would just be level 35 and whatever class i wanted :D How would that help new players?
They could cap the levels at 30 and give everyone over lvl 30 an equivalent amount of loompoints. Then people will still retire for looms or they stay at 30. They could make levelling much faster too up to mid 20's. Also can get rid of STF then, or change it+1 both for drama and fairness
By doing that we will have a much fairer game and people will still get into the levelling treadmil for looms if they want to, without being too underpowered compared to people who stay at a higher level. If high level guys can respec whenever we will get shit tonnes of melee/ranged hybrids because you don't really sacrifice anything at such high level in either ranged or melee. You can have a xbow and still be better than a pure melee guy in melee
They could cap the levels at 30 and give everyone over lvl 30 an equivalent amount of loompoints. Then people will still retire for looms or they stay at 30. They could make levelling much faster too up to mid 20's. Also can get rid of STF then, or change it
By doing that we will have a much fairer game and people will still get into the levelling treadmil for looms if they want to, without being too underpowered compared to people who stay at a higher level. If high level guys can respec whenever we will get shit tonnes of melee/ranged hybrids because you don't really sacrifice anything at such high level in either ranged or melee. You can have a xbow and still be better than a pure melee guy in melee
What the hell man, most level 30 builds suck balls given the competition of all the highlevel players on the servers. And you wanna see at level 20 if your build is good or not? Good luck...
neegro please, my lvl 30 build is consistently top of the board. You just dont have the skillz.In NA everyone is lvl 30 because life > cRPG
In NA everyone is lvl 30 because life > cRPG
In EU life = cRPG
Oh and I forgot, you are probably neither archer, nor some hybrid
I went to EU once(1time) on my level 29 alt and got 11 kills then left because EU is honestly only good with ranged. If you implement this I guarantee EU1 will become XoXoXCoD no scope snipah skill serverXoXoX
If there gets to be free respecs then how do you expect all who bought training lessons to feel?
it's a good idea yes but if a class or a weapon will get a nerf everyone just pays some gold and respecs to play the class that was buffed and is OP at the moment..
If there gets to be free respecs then how do you expect all who bought training lessons to feel?Then I will respec to 15/27 LeoKing archer-chaser and you won't escape :P
Also if this gets implemented I'm going level 35 longbow that can kite because FU.
Letting players be free to respec would kill the use of alt´s, note that i dont have any alt´s, besides my STF so im not biased in this case.I'd prefer 1 character that can be any class than all those alts with their solid but unchangeable builds. Also ye, STFs need a buff.
On the other hand, i would understand if some people tend to quit cause they get sick of their builds an cant be brothered the sick grind once more :D
Maybe make STF´s able to be lvl 32, an increase the timer for when you can respec em once a month.
They could cap the levels at 30 and give everyone over lvl 30 an equivalent amount of loompoints. Then people will still retire for looms or they stay at 30.Lvl 30 is boring, I'd rather make everyone 34 and cap it at 34-35 and make leveling to 34 take as much time as leveling to current 30-31. You have more combinations with higher levels however it would be easiest to balance it at 30, just as you suggested.
The real reason most of the free respec supporters want free respecs is that they are levelcrutching puuties who want to be level 35 with zero downsides and never not have a level advantage. If you're level 35, you deserve to pay an arm and a leg if you want to change class/build while magically retaining an advantage based on nothing but being an autistic grindwhore.Then make everyone lvl 35 just let us freely respec characters. In last ~3 weeks I already wanted to roleplay and respec but then very soon after that I completely changed my mind and wanted to roleplay something else. I don't like being limited to lvl 30 with 'simple builds' nor I like creating new alt that leveling takes longer than the actual time I'm going to play it unless I get onto another of my roleplay rides.
As for new players (lol, all 3 of them), give them unlimited respecs level 29 and under for the first 3 gens or something.
NO free respecs, that's dumb. mains and alt characters especially, don't want everyone switching classes right before a battle in strategus.
That, and arguing and pleading it wont change the fact that its a dumb idea.
If you want free respecs anytime, that's what skip the fun is for. if you have a main or alternate character, and don't know what build you want to make, then tough shit, use a character plan. there are plenty of guides and resources. in the event that you mess up on a build, respec will take you down half xp. levels don't scale evenly, they scale in tiers, so respeccing at level 30 would only lose you about 3-4 levels. if it takes you till level 30 to figure out you need to respec.... tough shit, should have thought about that 2 million xp ago.
No personal disrespect here, but if you like mercenaries, play that game and let us play our game. CRPG is unique in that it IS unforgiving. CRPG is like dark souls, mercenaries is like elder scrolls. any game that lets you win when you want to is no fun to me, and im sure many people will agree with that. i dont want a game that holds my hand and forgives my fuck ups.
if you look through my post history, you'd find that i was among a large list of people that were in favor of allowing respecs. there is a purpose for it, but frankly, it should be used sparingly, and with caution, and the system set in place facilitates that.
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Beyond that, you have no one to blame but yourself.
200-300k gold for a respec would be fair. Because it would still be quite expensive for most of us but still a possibility.
I suggest the following system:
Respecs within the same class cost you 300k. A shielder who wants to stay a shielder can pay 5% exp and 200k to sacrifice some agility for additional strength, for instance.
Respecs from hybrid builds to pure builds cost you 450k. Same with respecs from pure builds to hybrid builds. A hybrid is any character with at least 50 wpf in two different categories. However, you are not allowed to respec from 2hand crossbow to 1hand this way. You must get a pure build either in 2hand or crossbow. Also, you are not allowed to convert a shielder into a polearm/2hand hybrid. It must be a shielder + something different.
Respecs within the same meta class cost you 600k. You can convert a melee char of one class into a melee char of another class. You can convert ranged into another ranged, and cavalry into another cavalry.
All other respecs cost 750k.
CRPG is unique in that it IS unforgiving. CRPG is like dark souls, mercenaries is like elder scrolls. any game that lets you win when you want to is no fun to me, and im sure many people will agree with that. i dont want a game that holds my hand and forgives my fuck ups.Ye because I felt that I fucked up when I leveled up my most minmaxed character with 21/21... I didn't fuck up there. I just feel that I need a change as I got bored or just want to roleplay... Please, don't treat calling for respecs like it's a support for fuckups.
The grind? It's still helluva lot faster than Elder Scrolls! And it's kinda part of what the game is. You seriously have to think about your decisions and what you want to do.
I fully support the notion to make respecs free, let's say once a month but...I just wonder what is this most OP strat character that everyone will respec to. AFAIK you need all classes in decent ratios and with some builds variety to get optimal results. 1 respec per month wouldn't unbalance strat imho.
you seem to forget the game is not balanced for Battle or Siege but for Strat, so I think the main argument you'll hear about the subject is it would make Strat unbalanced so I'm not entirely convinced that will ever happen
nostrat2014! :mrgreen:
I just wonder what is this most OP strat character that everyone will respec to. AFAIK you need all classes in decent ratios and with some builds variety to get optimal results. 1 respec per month wouldn't unbalance strat imho.
I agree with you but not sure the main Donkeys agree with us
In my opinion, it would be great if they had a respec feature where you paid per skill/attribute point removed. Instead of adding a point to each stat or skill, you remove it. Then, you simply do whatever you want with it... convert an attribute to 2 skill, or vice versa, or simply reassign them to a different skill or attribute. For example with my build I currently have some shield skill, but at a super high level I would ideally wish to convert that and a couple points of ironflesh into more attribute points, and thus more athletics or WM. I would have to remove a total of 5-6 skill points, I believe. If it cost maybe 100k per skill and 200k per attribute point you wish to reassign, respeccing would actually be feasible for minor build tweaks. However, if you want to go from being a level 36 cav to a level 36 foot-based archer, well... that might be a bit more costly, as it rightfully should, in my opinion. Converting my 4 shield and 2 ironflesh into more agility, and thus athletics and/or WM is a relatively minor tweak, and would cost 6-700k, which is pretty reasonable, I would argue. This method would also really help anyone who has ever fucked up a build by clicking + in the wrong skill or attribute. I just recently ruined my planned 21-15 build by not really paying attention and hitting + in front of the agility when I already had 15. I realized my mistake within the hour, and really could have used either an undo button or a mini 1-point respec... now I'm just gonna stick with this build until I retire, since respeccing isn't really worth it at level 30.
To those of you saying that 6-700k isn't expensive enough to be a good gold sink, you should take a course in economics sometime. It is all about supply and demand. Currently, since demand is so high, and yet the supply is very small, it sells for a large amount once per week, which makes sense. However, if the quantity were increased, the price would then be lowered automatically. You might think that the lowering of the price is a bad thing, yet it is quite the opposite. Lower price allows for more buyers who were turned off before from the absurdly large pricetag. If you have 1 person losing 3.5 million per week, then the economy loses 3.5 million per week. But what if this was changed so that there are 15 people losing 400k per week? This would result in a loss of 6 million per week, nearly double what was being lost before. As I said before my relatively minor respec would cost me 600k at least, so odds are most people would be spending over 400k when respeccing. Now you might say that this might look good on paper, but it will only hold up for the short term, since once everyone gets the respec they want they will stop respeccing and then there is no gold sink left. Once more, not true.
With the reduced price people will respec more often as they wish to tweak their build to keep the game from getting stale. Currently if someone dislikes their high level build and they don't have nearly 4 million gold lying around, they can either respec and lose half of all their hard work, or they can retire, and be stuck as a weak peasant for a long while. Instead with the "pay what you want" styled respecs, people buy them much more often, and continually be able to tweak their build. Not only does this make for a larger gold sink, but it also keeps the game from getting stale for many players, and therefore helps keep the community alive. It's a win-win in my book. Honestly don't see why any of you would be opposed unless you have the "I had to pay 3.5 million so you should to" attitude, in which case grow up.
c-RPG is going to pretty much die when Bannerlord comes out, so I don't think it is even worth arguing about something so trivial. A large number of people will stop playing c-RPG, and we won't have to worry about "how new players feel" because there won't be any new players. New players will buy Bannerlord and play the mods that come out for it. c-RPG will die; let's just hope Aldo can make it to level 37 before the apocalypse.Crpg is immortal, this should be clear to everyone by now...
Crpg is immortal, this should be clear to everyone by now...with people like fips completely fucking up gamemodes, the apocalypse may happen sooner rather than later anyhow.
Training Lessons @ 3.91 million gold
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It's only going to increase, so I had to take up on it now (need it for strat!). Since double XP is still going on, people are able to play on an alt for a few days and sell the loompoint, then repeat. I predict that the Training Lessons auction will continue to increase gradually up until the new XP system is released and they turn off double XP (and who knows when that'll be).
No disrespect taken, but I was having a break from cRPG hence why I was playing mercenaries. For the record cRPG is my favourite module by far and always will be.
As to you arguments, while I of course see what you are getting at, I'm sure you, at least, do not agree with the total over price of training lessons as of now. I realise my opening post may have been misleading for some. So just to clarify I think Free respecs shouldn't be allowed whenever, but that said, if there was to be a 1 month cool down or at least for training lessons to brought down from inflationary rates I and many others I reckon would be happy. This is all about trying to improve what we have, this mod is still in Alpha stage for a reason, changes and improvements are meant to be added and tested (if they don't work they are taken out).
I am going to add a simple poll now to give the devs a better idea of how much support there is for thinking about some slight reforms with the current system.
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Any system would be better than what we have now.
3. Right now it costs around 2-3mil gold to get a full respec. This is shockingly brutal. It's been too long that we have accepted this, the price is just way too high for the average player and the frequency of training lessons means their price are completely inflated.
It is already too late, too many people have bought this scam for 2 mils and it would be unfair to them to make it free :lol: (me included)
If there gets to be free respecs then how do you expect all who bought training lessons to feel?
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San seemed okay with it.
I feel fine with this.(click to show/hide)
as it stands naow, some specific classes will never ever ever in their whole entire life be able to afford a respec.
sounds fair to ya?
You aren't forced to play such classes.
My opinion on the matter is that there should be more frequent respec auctions. The auctions work fine, very well in fact. A fixed price respec would not adapt to the market dynamics (inflation etc.) which would be bad.
as it stands naow, some specific classes will never ever ever in their whole entire life be able to afford a respec.
sounds fair to ya?
You aren't forced to play such classes.
Do what I do when I'm in a gold clutch. I start selling unnecessary stuff and if I've got nothing to sell, I hold my balls, pull on those tight peasant pants and tunic and go play peasant gear (armor and weapons) for a day or two. The gold starts building back up again. If you're the type who cares about your kdr, there is always siege. DTV is not an option if you're flat broke though, so keep that in mind.
You aren't forced to play such classes.
To put this into perspective:Bump because respecs are for people!
The last Training Lessons sold for 3.01 million (which was down from the previous two weeks' sales of 3.91 million and 4.295 million).
The absolute minimum amount of time needed to accumulate 3.00 million gold (without any marketplace trading) is 200 hours of solid x5. This also assumes you have an upkeep cost of 0.
lost the auction :( now gotta wait for another one to come up.
with people like fips completely fucking up gamemodes, the apocalypse may happen sooner rather than later anyhow.
I trust the mod. It will survive Fips.
Nothing will survive FipsWell, he does something for the mod and I don't believe that calling someone 'an idiot' is fair, just because you don't agree with his decisions. I'm not so much into DTV so I don't know them changes perfectly but c'mon, show some respect for someone who spends his free time trying to improve the mod.
The guy is an idiot
Plus respeccing now against the horde of lvl 35/36´s players is just nut an option, only reason why i stopped doing it Hah :lol:So the solution is making everyone stop leveling new builds and stick to one character. More level 35/36 people, yay!
So the solution is making everyone stop leveling new builds and stick to one character. More level 35/36 people, yay!The thing is that while you are roleplaying you most of the time do a self-nerf and if you change 'theme' often then you'd better play with STF but there is nothing worse than self-nerfing an already self-nerfed character in a world of high levels just because you want to pull some fun out of crpg, or want the game to feel fresh again... By playing without my naked chest I wouldn't even considered myself high level anymore. I die from 1 hit from time to time even though I have 7IF. Having fun doesn't pay off and is restricted by current respec system.
All restirictions in respec just takes more players away from this mod. I mean who really cares about grinding after you played over 2-years? I have to make tons of alts just to try every class, cuz i'm tired of my main, but still i don't wanna retire him. There is nothing i would gain out of retiring, since i have already max generation bonuses and so on.. Being a peasant once again doesn't really fancy old dogs, so pls devs do something about this.^
No one can cry about class balance after you make free respecs. Also it doesn't have to be daily basis respec, heck make it once a month if you feel bad otherwise.
Yes
137 (84.6%)
No
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137 says yes, 23 bought the auction respec and 2 people have an opinion Huehuehue
Don't got any gold, but will keep bumping this thread because players deserve some respecs.fixed
ye just put up a bimonthly respec for two million option. would be a bigger gold sink then the auctions now, and would give everyone a chanceso I buy ONCE for 2M and a free respec gets available each 2 weeks till the end of my crpg days? Something like that ?
so I buy ONCE for 2M and a free respec gets available each 2 weeks till the end of my crpg days? Something like that ?
It works in Diablo3, love how your able to fully customize your character as your feel like :wink:Imho it takes away your own feeling of uniqueness, but I didn't like perma&limited-choices of D2 too. Imho something between those solutions would be best. You'd have to pay at least a little attention to your build so it doesn't turn out a terrible disaster for next 2-3 weeks but you'd be able to make it more unique/strange/uncommon and not feel afraid of the perma-consequences that may cost you 3-4 millions, instead you'd be able to try different things or just play the class that draws your attention the most atm.
ah and it has to prevent the bandwagon hoping, dont want to see everyone always changing to the newest hype of build. thats gay, mkayIf a player is gay then no build is going to change one's playstyle or behaviour, bro. Also I personally don't see any hype builds recently. I only see ranged everywhere though :mrgreen:
In my opinien they should change the trainigslesson system. Why they dont make a price for example 2mio gold and you can change your build if you want. So they get there fucking gold like the auction and you dont have to wait so long for the respec. Make the respec as auction is bullshit. There are so many players who have more then 10mio gold and you have no chance to get one. Bring the fun back for every player and give respecs fo everyone not only for guys with a lot of gold. Why we need an auction to get a trainingslesson?
Sorry for my bad english. I hate the language ;-)
There is an idea to keep bumping chadz about the respec-change via IRC chat. Starting today, I'm going to keep bumping him daily about it. The more of you join me the bigger chances something will be done about it.
Honestly can't tell if you are trolling or not.
Also anyone who cares that much about this is basically an entitled manchild, demanding that devs alter their game so you don't feel like you've wasted hundreds of hours of your life when you lose half the XP on that level 35 character. Guess what? You did, your time and XP are worthless, just respec and go down 1 level with a more optimized build and stop posting.
My build is optimised, the problem is that I'd be respeccing every few weeks because the game starts to be boring. I have great build but it doesn't mean that I wouldn't like to try different ones. Has NA side seen such a boost in the amount of players when there was WPF patch and a free respec? EU players were like back in action. Game needs to stay fresh and I'm sure there are many players who'd like to try other things as well but don't feel arsed to level it up.
Also stop being disrespectful and maybe reread the last 10 pages so you actually finally understand why I'm bumping this topic. 1 free respec doesn't cut it as you may change your mind when it comes to what you want to play. If one told me that I have to decide what class and what build I'm going to play for next 3 years, I wouldn't probably take him seriously...
Just make it free and without a cooldown. Lets call it respec.There must be cooldown cuz of strategus.
This current type of rigid game structure is like games were in the 90's.+1
The year is 2014, ever other game has respecs built into their games, and most without and cost or penalty.
Because people like to try things out.
There must be cooldown cuz of strategus.
+1
The problem with respec vs. retiring is simple. There are a ton ofshitlordshigh level builds out there currently because people don't want to retire. Instead they want to redo their stats at the cost of little to nothing, when all you have to do is retire and redo your build. Back when I started 31 was about the highest anyone ever went because of loom points, except for a few people who were already high level. Now 33 is the new 31 and most people don't even retire or want to retire their main because of the superior build it has over every person below them on the battle field. My advice, quit being cunts and retire or respec your character. Hell start a new character. The last thing we need are more people with maxed out builds that can change them at any given time because they simply feel like it.
Why must there be a cooldown because of strategus?For castle-defences cav players would respec to infantry or other stuff and people would cry about it.
I like the idea i saw earlier in the thread about making the respec a shop purchase. Make it so that its not costing u an arm and a leg, making it available to everyone but still making it something the average player will think twice about.
maybe a price range of anywhere from 250,000-750,000?
also maybe make it possible for cheaper partial respecs (wpf, skill points, ect)
idk if this would be a solution but it would be nice just so that u dont ahve to play a gen with a fucked build
I like the idea i saw earlier in the thread about making the respec a shop purchase. Make it so that its not costing u an arm and a leg, making it available to everyone but still making it something the average player will think twice about.
maybe a price range of anywhere from 250,000-750,000?
also maybe make it possible for cheaper partial respecs (wpf, skill points, ect)
I feel that there is already a lot of freedom with skip the fun characters. Level 30 builds are still very playable and fun.
Things dont always have to stay the same.
I think a good move would be to allow players free respecs.
What harm can it do really? It will encourage people to mess around more and make things more fun in my opinion.
They already did/do that with STF, they invaded NA1 once with full heavy cav bannerstack till the population quit from frustration lol, the only difference between that and a free respec is that the respec is still *your* character, can still get exp, can still level, all without losing hours of gameplay/grinding.STF is less powerful than high level so I don't think it'd be good if you could treat your high level char just like STF, so there MUST be some barrier and imho cooldown>price, 1st because equality, 2nd because it is a more friendly approach towards players.
You cannot abuse a free respec any more than you can already abuse the 'stf' and 'hero change' mechanics, the difference is that it's more satisfying to keep getting exp from those builds.
Maybe more friendly for new players ye, but they get wrecked by the high levels who refuse to respec anyway so it's the same scenario. And asking anyone to grind more than one character to something like lvl 35 is just torture, most dont even get that far with 1 character (like me). If you've ground that much to that level i think you should be allowed something, maybe the option to create a single respec stf at 1/2 your current exp, you get the STF at a higher than usual level (but half your current exp) without losing the progress on your main.
As it is now many potential fun builds never get tried, so many ludicrous builds unexplored... getting to 45 Str was a labour of love, how many other people find sufficient motivation to grind that much for a lvl 34 lolbuild and spend hours getting there. (and i had benefit of end of strat exp battles, over 1mill exp each). I'd hate for crpg to fade away with so much left unexplored.
I wanted to respec to naked bardiche-user riding on plated charger but my roleplaying theme changed again. I know what you mean by funny builds but really, if it doesn't have cooldown, people will treat their builds too lightly and troll/abuse. 3 weeks cooldown would force you to pick a build that you actually want to play at least for a while and STF would be still a nice testing field as you can check either accuracy or speed and other stuff all thy time, so you can actually respec your build to something that you have an idea about.
Loompoints can be used as respec tokens.
Trade in a loompoint for a free, full respec.
Loompoints can be used as respec tokens.
Trade in a loompoint for a free, full respec.
Loompoints can be used as respec tokens.What about a combination of the ideas, like 3weeks long cooldown that you can reset to 0 instantly if you sacrifice 1 loompoint?
Trade in a loompoint for a free, full respec.
People are now getting scammed in public (unfair lotteries) because the training lessons are too expensive...
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Please finally do something, devs :(
That would be great if they could implement a semi-respec where you can take-off your attribute and skill points for a fixed price. For example each skill points withdrawn costs 50k and each attribute costs 100k, same goes for weapon points as well.The money/gold-farm would be even more intense...
The money/gold-farm would be even more intense...Bumping keeps the topic 'alive' and only way to have respecs changed is to be more stubborn than actual overlords...
@ lol at Warlord adding +1 at every post of Blueknight :D
Even "useless" one like " bump" or 'back to my pc" :lol:
FrenchKiss
Bumping keeps the topic 'alive' and only way to have respecs changed is to be more stubborn than actual overlords...You didn't get what i wanted say :)
Also I've explained what I mean a lot of times. No need to type anything 'useful' when I only intend to bump the topic.
You didn't get what i wanted say :)Stay manly and keep supporting!
I do not criticize what you write. (i even made some +1 for some of your ideas)
Of course bumping is uselfull.
I just smilled when i saw the +1 from Wardlord when you wrote "bump" or "back in front of pc" that's all mate.
FrenchKiss
Didnt read the whole thing. But you would use heirloom points for this. You want respect?, You waste a heirloom point in it. No gold. That way, "playing alts" makes also sense so you can get points for your main. Its true that the actual marketplace thing is very lame. Only very very rich bitches can pay for it.
I don't understand why it's not implemented yet.This. This way, new players (there are some), have a chance to catch up on older players. Dont force them to enslave theirselves to a class for some hundreds of millions xp....
Face it, we are playing this game for 4 years, you've done quiet epic things during this by developing brilliant features. I know grinding is a key to keep this mod survive but we retired too much and most of us already have what we need. There is no motive to retire anymore. I want to keep playing this game but I get bored easily by playing a specific class for too long. For instance, i just hit level 33 with my main 2 hander it takes 30-40 million for level 34 which will bring me extra 2 IF that won't make any difference so Im just playing this to have fun. Doing same thing over and over and over again is repetetive and boring why on earth i can't change my build entirely when i want ?
This community is old now. Some of us got married, some of us graduated college, some of us started college 4 years is not a short time, It's time to give people freedom by removing obstacles not adding new goals to achieve. We are tired of achieving goals :) Let us chill and enjoy the game as we want please.
I don't understand why it's not implemented yet.
Face it, we are playing this game for 4 years, you've done quiet epic things during this by developing brilliant features. I know grinding is a key to keep this mod survive but we retired too much and most of us already have what we need. There is no motive to retire anymore. I want to keep playing this game but I get bored easily by playing a specific class for too long. For instance, i just hit level 33 with my main 2 hander it takes 30-40 million for level 34 which will bring me extra 2 IF that won't make any difference so Im just playing this to have fun. Doing same thing over and over and over again is repetetive and boring why on earth i can't change my build entirely when i want ?
This community is old now. Some of us got married, some of us graduated college, some of us started college 4 years is not a short time, It's time to give people freedom by removing obstacles not adding new goals to achieve. We are tired of achieving goals :) Let us chill and enjoy the game as we want please.
Only reason we need respecs is because the levelling system is broken. Remove level 32-36 and we will have a functioning system againI'd rather play with everyone lvl 35 than everyone lvl 30. Just makes builds much more advanced and unique.
That would be great if they could implement a semi-respec where you can take-off your attribute and skill points for a fixed price. For example each skill points withdrawn costs 50k and each attribute costs 100k, same goes for weapon points as well.
I'd rather play with everyone lvl 35 than everyone lvl 30. Just makes builds much more advanced and unique.
If we were all level 35 it would be more of a ranged fest on the serversWhich wouldn't be any problem since we all could spare 3 points into shield skill.
If we were all level 35 it would be more of a ranged fest on the serversBut if we all were lvl 30, we would still get shot but die faster.
But if we all were lvl 30, we would still get shot but die faster.But ranged won't be as effective as they are now with shitty,unfinished builds.
We'd be relatively more vulnerable to ranged fire.
Yes 183 (79.9%)
No 41 (17.9%)
My opinion is (comment's on thread) 5 (2.2%)
Dat majority
Don't lock the thread though ! :rolleyes:
This and the Heavy armour difficulty rework are the 2 major popular community ideas/polls atm. I dont know what other things they're working on, but i would hope these 2 get a look-in since they've been campaigning for so long and getting such a majority
PRAISE HARALD, AND PRAISE THE SUN.
However, I don't know what is the "near" future ... 1 month, 2 weeks ?
It would be briliant if you can change attributes/skills anytime for specific, but quite high amount of gold.
For example, decreasing 1 attribute or skill point would cost 100k gold. Decreasing 1 weapon proficiency point would cost 10k.
So let's say you want to change 21/24 build:To 24/21 one:(click to show/hide)Firstly, you will have to decrease AGI by 3 attribute points, which will cost 300k. Then Weapon Master/Athetics/Two Handed weapon proficiency points will turn red (you can't have 8 WM/ATH and 184 2h WPP with 21 AGI), so you will have to take off 1 WM and 1 ATH point, which will cost additional 200k. Then you need to decrease Two Handed WPP from 184 to 170, which will cost 140k gold (14 WPP points x 10k gold = 140k gold). Then confirm button appears and you can make whole change for 640k gold - if you need just slight build adjustment, it's fair price imo.(click to show/hide)
Buying training lessons for 2+ mln just to change your build by 3 attribute points makes no sense atm, so it would be cool to have this kind of alternative.
This quick build change feature will be expensive enough to keep training lessons popular for full respec, just like they are now. This will also solve the problem of putting wrong attribute or skill point to your build - for the price of 100k you will be able to fix the build again (right now you have to stick with broken build).
The whole problem is, devs capable of implementing such ideas are making new game atm (Melee: Battlegrounds), so they don't care about crpg anymore.
Only changes you can count on are: new items (thanks to Zagibu), more broken animations (thanks to Tydeus), some DTV changes (thanks to Fips) and bad balance changes (I guess mainly Tydeus/Paul ideas?).
What I learned in last months, writing on this forum is waste of time. I'm trying to be as inactive as possible now.
Well guys we have accomplished our mission. I sent a pm to Harald and he said the devs haven't talked about it yet due to being very busy. However he did say they would probably look into it in the near future, so there is hope!
I wish i found that reassuring.
Don't say such a mean thing. This mod needs to live forever!+1
Depends, how long till they pull the plug on this mod?
Seriously, would it have been so hard to code a free respec while preparing a real formula for the next patch ?no because fuck crpg players... makes perfect sense... just as light horses overbuff and horses' stats randomization yolo-wise...
Having an armored pony should require more skills, but this has gone too far... , requirements should be lowered by one, since only 3 str got refunded.(click to show/hide)
Give free respecs, and make everyone happy, please...
Give free respecs, and make everyone happy, please...Well, not everyone actually, people who respeced recently are gonna be pissed. :wink:
Having an armored pony should require more skills, but this has gone too far... , requirements should be lowered by one, since only 3 str got refunded.(click to show/hide)
Give free respecs, and make everyone happy, please...
Well, not everyone actually, people who respeced recently are gonna be pissed. :wink:like me last 20 times :P
Introducing occasional tournament raffles with Training Lessons as top price is not a solution :cry:
Respec costs 2-3 millions?Outdated info, respecs go for 6M now...
I´m playing this game for 4 years now and I´ve never EVER reached the 1 million mark yet :mrgreen:
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Outdated info, respecs go for 6M now...
Not real buy the last for 3,8 mil muhahaha. but chadz when i get my money back?I remember that you lost the previous one and someone bought it for like 6M, right?
I have an better idea, how about having in the shop for like 1,5mio? That would be worth it.
Respec should be XP based or at least level based if it's gonna be something you can buy in the shop..........................................................
1,5m for respec at level 30 is not worth it and for level 35 it's way too cheap.
Hmn, after crippling all the cav players, we still don't get a free respec?? Touche...
Anyways, haven't played for 4 months, is the mod playable? or is it still a range fest?
I`m 24 years old, and I make 1000 euros per month, while the basic wage here is 402 euros.
Keep in mind that unemployment rate is 33% atm.
If I was in another country, like US or Sweden for example, I`d be rich.
or in prison
Respec should be XP based or at least level based if it's gonna be something you can buy in the shop.
1,5m for respec at level 30 is not worth it and for level 35 it's way too cheap.
Some people seem to forget that not everyone that plays this game has no life and has millions stashed away - Casual gamers get hit the worst by the crippling cost of respec then they stop playing.
Players report class X is OP because thehigh levelgood players of this class are OP.
Fixed.
Most players (no matter the class) are pretty bad compared to the best.
That is only natural and it will not change by for example setting everyone at the same level.
Whoa it's 235 yeses already :o
And %80 of the votes :Pover 80%* + some of those who "have an opinion" :lol:
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I suggest that a respec should have a one month cooldown on your account. The cost of gold will be (experience/40), with the result being rounded. This will reduce gold inflation and at the same time encourage respeccing more so than the current system!5 millions of gold in my case. Thank you very much :rolleyes:
Exception is if you are level 24 or below, respec is free with a 1 day cooldown.
to be completely honest if this was a thing, I would probably would have done this and would have still play the game regularly.
forcing me to retire at level 34 was the death of the mod for me, but this change would save you players in the long run I think. While it might skew balance between classes when patches hit over time it would balance back out and your population wouldn't be hit as hard every time you release a patch that changes builds on the large scale.
Just my two cents on this thread I just seen. Didn't read anything but the first post. :oops:
P.S. xbow is a dead class pls help.
just give us free respecs already like its a miracle we're even still playing this.
I can understand wanting us to grind to keep us interested but lets be real, at this point we ain't playing for the grind.
why don't u just play stf lol
..., but level 36 should be at least 5lps...
why don't u just play stf lolFor me playing STF is like waste of time.
Don't know how lp prices would be affected from this, but level 36 should be at least 5lps. The price could skyrocket up to 400-500k, but it would be less than the absurd price that it is now.
Not too big of a fan of lps since it won't really be removing gold from the market but rather devalue it even more, but lps could work.
lv 30 and below should get free respecs at any time or a small cooldown.
31 - 1
32 - 2
33 - 3
34 - 5
35 - 8
36 - 13
I still think the issue is simply that the game allows you to go to such a high level as 36. It unbalances the game, you can't test 35/36 builds and people would rather stop playing than retire when they get bored. Respecing easily at 35 will result in more OP high level builds as you will be able to specialise without worrying about getting bored of the build. People will jump from OP build to OP build rather than stick with something tooI don't think 5lps are going to be easy to acquire in an environment where they become much more valuable, but maybe 6 would be better for 36. LP prices will rise after the initial respec wave that will most likely occur. 6, 4, 3, 2, 1, and free sequentially for 36 and lower. Most people already create optimized builds or are forced into good hybridized builds once they reach that level regardless Most high levels won't be able to afford more than 1 in a reasonable time.
Top level should be around 31/32 and then refund people over that level in the form of loom points
I don't think 5lps are going to be easy to acquire in an environment where they become much more valuable, but maybe 6 would be better for 36. LP prices will rise after the initial respec wave that will most likely occur. 6, 4, 3, 2, 1, and free sequentially for 36 and lower. Most people already create optimized builds or are forced into good hybridized builds once they reach that level regardless Most high levels won't be able to afford more than 1 in a reasonable time.
Personally, I'm satisfied with stf. I think that not being able to test certain level 35/36 builds to be a poor excuse, especially since one can simply test individual components for what X ath, wpf, shield, etc. feels like. The only thing you will have to estimate is the increased damage from higher level builds, though, since you'll never be able to reach high PS/PD/PT + high wpf + high ath at the same time. Damage is invisible anyways, so most of the time it's simply perception that's changed.
Ideally, I'd like to do one o the following. Rescale XP level requirements such that level 33 or 34 only requires 8-10 mil xp total, but any levels past that point require roughly the same as what they require now. The other idea would be to stop giving attribute points after level 30/31, so that when you level up, you only get the one skill point. This I think, would be the most effective over time.
I like it but dont get me wrong ~ on lvl36 13lps are nearly as much worth it as the free respec auction ~ It should have some base value and a percantage increase of something per level
Personally, I'm satisfied with stf.
Well, took us a full year to get a couple more new admins in Siege back in my "pester the devs into orbit" days, let's hope it takes less with your petition.:lol: :lol:
Bump!!! Shame i havent seen this post earlier. If it was implemented it would give me (and probably alot of other people) a reason to come back to crpg. Please devs, hear the community's voice!but your a swiss knife, you can do anything on any class! believe in yourself Chan.
Bump!!! Shame i havent seen this post earlier. If it was implemented it would give me (and probably alot of other people) a reason to come back to crpg. Please devs, hear the community's voice!
but your a swiss knife, you can do anything on any class! believe in yourself Chan.
just don't go fucking horse archer again bitch, can i get an amen? :mrgreen:
but your a swiss knife, you can do anything on any class! believe in yourself Chan.Im actually a lvl 34 HA atm, 15/30 build :P I respecced a while ago thinking that HA will make me want to play again, but i was wrong and i regret it now :mad: (one more reason why im not coming back). So now im waiting for a change in the respec system or something, really hope the devs hear us on this.
just don't go fucking horse archer again bitch, can i get an amen? :mrgreen:
Hi10/10 would quote again
Its signed.
I can only approved!(click to show/hide)
Now is the part where devs ignore it forever
When it's an achievable form of ingame currency you get to pretend you arent paying for respec directly with wasted time, paying with exp removes that illusion - you are directly paying in hours you will never get back.I stand corrected, LPs aren't that easy to get your hands on, I would still prefer a 5% penalty if you pay 1LP, and 0% if you pay 2LP, that way the you have to pay up to not lose those mere 5%.
I know looms are arguably the same thing, but paying with one makes you want to give up and the other doesnt.
As someone who has retired three times this month alone after a relative slowdown in playing habits from previous months, I disagree with this proposal. The only time a free respec is actually a significant benefit versus the xp-cost respec is in the case of a character who is level 32 or higher. I do not think a single heirloom point comes close to the impact respeccing a high-level character has. This perspective is coming from a player who also has a character that is level 36, gen 1.
This isn't a proper way to address heirloom point inflation. This isn't the way the economy could be "fixed", if that ever becomes a goal the devs have. This isn't a reasonable way to deal with lower level respecs (the xp cost is not significant enough at lower levels to call for this). This is lobbying for an easy solution to try and min/max builds on characters at high levels. Maybe that should be a thing, and maybe it should be cheaper than what the going-rate for training lessons auctions currently are, but one heirloom point is not giving up nearly enough. How much do those even go for on the market, these days? The proposal here is to effectively lower the cost of xp-free respeccing by, what, ten times? There are too many high level characters already, allowing the optimization of each and every one of them is a bad idea. Play on your alts!
but still, some badmins helped their friends with free respec, even since it isn't allowed) sure i need that T.L. but i have no tons of gold for it.
but still, some badmins helped their friends with free respec, even since it isn't allowed)
Time to give some names
(but still, some badmins helped their friends with free respec, even since it isn't allowedSounds like bullshit. Say names or didn't happen.
Sounds like bullshit. Say names or didn't happen.pfff u know me, i never bullshitin.
This is lobbying for an easy solution to try and min/max builds on characters at high levels. Maybe that should be a thing, and maybe it should be cheaper than what the going-rate for training lessons auctions currently are, but one heirloom point is not giving up nearly enough. How much do those even go for on the market, these days? The proposal here is to effectively lower the cost of xp-free respeccing by, what, ten times? There are too many high level characters already, allowing the optimization of each and every one of them is a bad idea. Play on your alts!
but still, some badmins helped their friends with free respec, even since it isn't allowed
If they really want respecs to be painful for high level characters, just make the cost to respec equal to the LP reward if you were to retire at your current level, i.e.:
<Lvl 31: Free respecs
Lvl 31: 1 LP
Lvl 32: 2LP
Lvl 33: 3LP
Lvl 34: 5LP
Lvl 35: 7LP?
etc.
Well guys we have accomplished our mission. I sent a pm to Harald and he said the devs haven't talked about it yet due to being very busy. However he did say they would probably look into it in the near future, so there is hope!
Don't worry guys, we have been in contact with Harald, this is on the list for the devs, so the 300 votes have not been in vain :) this thread was only about building awareness to the devs, which has worker ^^
Seriously, who is able to pay that (except the very rich players)? I play cRPG for 1,5 years and I wouldn't be able to get so many looms (I am level 34). I would have to sell several items if I did that. In that situation I would rather lose half of my xp than paying so much.
I wonder who is the "we're" in your sentence. I personally stopped waiting anything from devs, except another shitty strat round I won't play.
If this is ever passed, I will personally give out LPs just to make people respec to HA, and you will have to suffer for your own stupidity.
chadz :!: :!: :!: :!: GIVE IN!!! 346 says yes yes yes!!!
atleast have characters under lvl 30 a free respec, and above lvl 30 1 lp then, so newbies can change builds when they just start, and figured they fucked up :)I would wholeheartedly support free respecs below level 30.
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I am not even a level grinder like most of this thread's regulars, but I concur. Give these guys the chance to get a full respec for 1 loompoint. It still isn't a small fee to pay (well, at least not for everyone).and everyone under lvl 30 a free?
I am not even a level grinder like most of this thread's regulars, but I concur. Give these guys the chance to get a full respec for 1 loompoint. It still isn't a small fee to pay (well, at least not for everyone).
High level builds are one of the things most surely killing the mod, I think that not giving them respecs is the way to go. If they want to change their build they can already retire or respec normally. But no, they absolutely have to stay two or more levels above everyone else. Fuck those guys.Yes, I will retaire again and again and again at 31 and hoarding more and more loompoints. Hell no, sorry but both ways are equal, either stop retaire at some point or do it always. From the second side, you can play on many alts or only on your main and this is also equal.
Really looking forward to when the devs will implement this. it will finally change cRPG from a grind game into a fun game :)
personally i have lost around 80 mil exp due to respec and it did made me want to quit this game several times.
to me one lp is too cheap and devs will probably never add it for so few
make training lessons for 3 lp or one mw !
Canary, penitent and others were 100% correct. If it goes to the price of 1 LP then there will be nothing stopin the veteran players from using the flavor of the patch builds.
Yes, I will retaire again and again and again at 31 and hoarding more and more loompoints. Hell no, sorry but both ways are equal, either stop retaire at some point or do it always. From the second side, you can play on many alts or only on your main and this is also equal.
Canary, penitent and others were 100% correct. If it goes to the price of 1 LP then there will be nothing stopin the veteran players from using the flavor of the patch builds.
Some may argue that it's a good thing to be able to do that. I was fortunate to be able to optimize my build during the last free respec, but others are stuck with messed up builds. The question is how broken would it be to jump from one optimized build to the next. A cooldown of a week or 2+ is necessary to prevent mass respeccing for strat and server trolling. It invalidates STF if it's too easy and causes threads like this to exist when it's too inconvenient.
A large problem I had with training lessons wasn't just the price, but its accessibility. It was a pain trying to outbid someone and wait a week if you lost. I think it should cost enough to drain significant gold out of the system, but let it be freely accessible.
Except nobody cares about loompoints. One level is equivalent in power to at least 5 loompoints anyway, so there's really no good reason to not forget about looms and maximize your level. All the veterans have access to huge armories filled with +3. Even in Pixel Paladins, which is still a relatively modest clan, there are like 40 +3 items just sitting in the armory all day.
there is no difference for 80% players between 1lp or 3lp bro.
If they just set the price to 1 million gold (roughly the cost of a +3 item), then I think it is pricey enough so that you can't just do it on a whim whenever you want, yet it is still very accessible.Sounds reasonable.
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I always wondered what happens to the "..." when it is the end of sentence. What is the grammatical rules? Is it "..." includes a "." to end the sentence? or should we add a "." after the "..." to make i absolutly clear that it is the end of a sentence?
"..." vs. "...." vs. "... ."
Who knows?
btw how must does a respec currently cost? I´m so fed up with my main class and even thought about respec at 34 already (although I´d still be on 34 after the respec...)
Don't. Just don't, I respecced like 9 months ago, and I'm still butthurt about those 90Millions of experience I lost there. Just imagine yourself playing 45 big strat battles (2M xp each), and wasting it within seconds.
Don´t worry I wont. Still, I´d love to know how much a training lesson costs atmlike around 3 million right now i think
like around 3 million right now i thinkI'd say from 2.5 to 5.5 mln gold
Don't be hasty with the XP loss on respecs, chadz said we're getting a patch.
Can you share any information about being refunded exp loss due to respeccing in the last year or so?
Let's not be too greedy, now. :lol:
I think we can close this thread...