Training lessons for 1 loom point: Official petition

[Rico]

why stop there, If you cant compete at level 30 you clearly cant compete without full set of looms. Why not free loom respecs too!

If I want to be shielder, I take my Arbalest +3 to the marketplace and offer it in exchange for Elite Cav Shield +3. Someone accepts it and I am happy. In case you didn't know, there is no marketplace where you can offer your 180 xbow wpf and get 150 1hand wpf and 1 shield skill in exchange bro.

If there gets to be free respecs then how do you expect all who bought training lessons to feel?

Also if this gets implemented I'm going level 35 longbow that can kite because FU.

I am not impressed. You had the chance to complain just as we are doing now, and there are so many easymode builds, kiting Longbow is just one of them.

[F i n]

I don't know. giving free respect to everyone kinda destroys the fun part of this game.

but srsly : i'd rather see gen 1-3 given free respecs than lvl 36 veterans.

the new player problem is the only valid point in my opinion.

maybe a dynamic respec/cost system would be a good solution - the higher your level and gen, the more you pay.

meaning that new players can respec at any time without having to pay while high level chars are given a little penalty which might counter troll- and exploiting motivated respecs.

also i like the 1 free respec per month idea.

[FleetFox]

If there gets to be free respecs then how do you expect all who bought training lessons to feel?

Also if this gets implemented I'm going level 35 longbow that can kite because FU.

Yes its going to hurt you guys, a lot... so perhaps we can come up with some kind of compensation. But from a utilitarian point of you, those players who have managed to buy training lessons in the past has been very few. The greater good (hate that phrase) needs to be thought through, but I totally get your angst. And yes you would have the right to be a lvl 35 archer, but you'd prbs get bored sooner or later ha.

I don't know. giving free respect to everyone kinda destroys the fun part of this game.

but srsly : i'd rather see gen 1-3 given free respecs than lvl 36 veterans.

the new player problem is the only valid point in my opinion.

maybe a dynamic respec/cost system would be a good solution - the higher your level and gen, the more you pay.

meaning that new players can respec at any time without having to pay while high level chars are given a little penalty which might counter troll- and exploiting motivated respecs.

also i like the 1 free respec per month idea.

I think you have really nailed it there Fin, if it is possible to create that dynamic system (as is done in Merc mod) this would definately be viable.

why stop there, If you cant compete at level 30 you clearly cant compete without full set of looms. Why not free loom respecs too!


As for alts i have my main at level 32, A gen 4 alt lvl 30. A gen 2 lvl 30 a Gen 2 lvl 29 and a lvl 28 (i respec my alts pretty often) If i didnt need alts my main would just be level 35 and whatever class i wanted How would that help new players?

heh I doubt you'd put that same amount of time to get to lvl 35 now anyway ^^. The amount of lvl 35 players is extremely low, so I don't reckon that would be much of a problem short term. Also newer players could be able to get to the higher lvl's quicker (lets say lvl 33) over the longer term in which case they could compete better. The difference betwene lvl 35 and 33 is minimal, the difference between 30 and 33 is definately noticeable. 

Edit: the loom system is fine just the way it is, they are already easy to get hold of with joining clans etc, imo character lvl comes before loomed items.

[Osiris]

You would be suprised. Last strat as wessex in my battles i had a lot of lvl 35s and 34s apply and even a few 36s. Strat pretty much makes lvl 33+ easy to reach if you play the battles

[Tzar]

I cant count the millions of xp ive lost on respec´s, cause i cant be borthered sticking with the same build 4 ever.....

But, that said, i still think the system should stay as it is. Like some people have mentioned grind up and alt or buy / compete for the respec auction.

Letting players be free to respec would kill the use of alt´s, note that i dont have any alt´s, besides my STF so im not biased in this case.

On the other hand, i would understand if some people tend to quit cause they get sick of their builds an cant be brothered the sick grind once more

Maybe make STF´s able to be lvl 32, an increase the timer for when you can respec em once a month.

Thoughts  :

[FleetFox]

OK from the good discussion thus far, (thank you all for your input) I'm going to alter the thread title as the proposed dynamic cost for training lessons seems to be the best solution right now.

[Grumbs]

They could cap the levels at 30 and give everyone over lvl 30 an equivalent amount of loompoints. Then people will still retire for looms or they stay at 30. They could make levelling much faster too up to mid 20's. Also can get rid of STF then, or change it

By doing that we will have a much fairer game and people will still get into the levelling treadmil for looms if they want to, without being too underpowered compared to people who stay at a higher level. If high level guys can respec whenever we will get shit tonnes of melee/ranged hybrids because you don't really sacrifice anything at such high level in either ranged or melee. You can have a xbow and still be better than a pure melee guy in melee

[Rico]

They could cap the levels at 30 and give everyone over lvl 30 an equivalent amount of loompoints. Then people will still retire for looms or they stay at 30. They could make levelling much faster too up to mid 20's. Also can get rid of STF then, or change it

By doing that we will have a much fairer game and people will still get into the levelling treadmil for looms if they want to, without being too underpowered compared to people who stay at a higher level. If high level guys can respec whenever we will get shit tonnes of melee/ranged hybrids because you don't really sacrifice anything at such high level in either ranged or melee. You can have a xbow and still be better than a pure melee guy in melee

+1 both for drama and fairness

[FleetFox]

They could cap the levels at 30 and give everyone over lvl 30 an equivalent amount of loompoints. Then people will still retire for looms or they stay at 30. They could make levelling much faster too up to mid 20's. Also can get rid of STF then, or change it

By doing that we will have a much fairer game and people will still get into the levelling treadmil for looms if they want to, without being too underpowered compared to people who stay at a higher level. If high level guys can respec whenever we will get shit tonnes of melee/ranged hybrids because you don't really sacrifice anything at such high level in either ranged or melee. You can have a xbow and still be better than a pure melee guy in melee

Very interesting ideas there Grumbs, even more radical than the idea I am proposing but I understand your concerns too. A period of testing of course would be needed to ensure optimum results.

[tisjester]

What the hell man, most level 30 builds suck balls given the competition of all the highlevel players on the servers. And you wanna see at level 20 if your build is good or not? Good luck...

neegro please, my lvl 30 build is consistently top of the board. You just dont have the skillz.

[Rico]

neegro please, my lvl 30 build is consistently top of the board. You just dont have the skillz.

In NA everyone is lvl 30 because life > cRPG

In EU life = cRPG

Oh and I forgot, you are probably neither archer, nor some hybrid

[Jack1]

In NA everyone is lvl 30 because life > cRPG

In EU life = cRPG

Oh and I forgot, you are probably neither archer, nor some hybrid

I went to EU once(1time) on my level 29 alt and got 11 kills then left because EU is honestly only good with ranged. If you implement this I guarantee EU1 will become XoXoXCoD no scope snipah skill serverXoXoX

[FleetFox]

I went to EU once(1time) on my level 29 alt and got 11 kills then left because EU is honestly only good with ranged. If you implement this I guarantee EU1 will become XoXoXCoD no scope snipah skill serverXoXoX

It's already like that, so it can't get much worse, not that it would anyway if the respec/ training lessons were changed.

[BASNAK]

Paying millions for a respec is stupid. You're forced to become a market-jew to be able to afford that. 200-300k gold for a respec would be fair. Because it would still be quite expensive for most of us but still a possibility.

[Zhyang]

it's a good idea yes but if  a class or a weapon will get a nerf everyone just pays some gold and respecs to play the class that was buffed and is OP at the moment..