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[jtobiasm]

It allows for OP ranged with melee

sorry for off topic!

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You can still be as good at level 30 as an archer as you can be at 35
18/21 5ps 5athls 7wm 6 PD.

The only reason you think level 35 builds are OP is because there is a higher skills cap as ranged and ofc if you play a class for longer, you'll get better.

[Grumbs]

You can still be as good at level 30 as an archer as you can be at 35
18/21 5ps 5athls 7wm 6 PD.

The only reason you think level 35 builds are OP is because there is a higher skills cap as ranged and ofc if you play a class for longer, you'll get better.

Wrong on both points. If I wanted to play a one sided class with points & click FPS mechanics i'd take:

18/24:

4IF
6PS

This makes you as good as most lvl 30's in melee except for armour which has plus and - elements to it (speed or protection)

8 Athletics (kite or extra damage bonus in melee)
8 WM (high archer WPF and decent 1 or 2 hand WPF)
6 PD (all you need for any bow)

It lets you hybrid and be master of all trades. This kind of build compliments good players and makes bad players look mediocre or good. Optionally use a low PD bow, 1 stack of arrows, 2 hander and light/medium armour.

Or how about playing with a xbow and have something even more OP with the lack of skill requirements

[jtobiasm]

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Wrong on both points. If I wanted to play a one sided class with points & click FPS mechanics i'd take:

18/24:

4IF
6PS

This makes you as good as most lvl 30's in melee except for armour which has plus and - elements to it (speed or protection)

8 Athletics (kite or extra damage bonus in melee)
8 WM (high archer WPF and decent 1 or 2 hand WPF)
6 PD (all you need for any bow)

It lets you hybrid and be master of all trades. This kind of build compliments good players and makes bad players look mediocre or good. Optionally use a low PD bow, 1 stack of arrows, 2 hander and light/medium armour.

Or how about playing with a xbow and have something even more OP with the lack of skill requirements

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Well i know for a fact, I can top the scoreboard @ level 30 or level 33 and i know many other archers who can. Athletics and Power strike isn't needed if you're aware of what you're doing.

Archery is 80% awareness 20% aiming. Unless of course you can't aim for shit, but that's a different story ;D

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Having good melee to fall back on shouldn't be an option if you want good ranged ability

Most people who retire only spend 50% of their time with a lvl 30 build, the rest is spend going from 1-30 so they don't even have as good of a melee build for half the time

[Pawiu]

phew... Im already 35

[Tydeus]

Now when will you nerf high level Tydeus? Its way more OP than looms

Ideally, I'd like to do one o the following. Rescale XP level requirements such that level 33 or 34 only requires 8-10 mil xp total, but any levels past that point require roughly the same as what they require now. The other idea would be to stop giving attribute points after level 30/31, so that when you level up, you only get the one skill point. This I think, would be the most effective over time.

[Grumbs]

This is kind of derailing the thread so in spoiler:

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Maybe theres another way to do it.

Ideally we would have 3 different groups of equipment for each class - melee, ranged and cav. Being proficient in different types of melee equipment should be fine (like with splitting WPF between all 3). You can only use one melee weapon at a time more or less, your role doesn't deviate a huge amount. Being able to use throwing or a Xbow or a bow should be fine because again because your power stays exactly the same, you just have more options. You can't use a xbow at the same time as a bow. Being able to use any cav equipment should be fine by itself too (like now).

Problems come in when you get to hybrid effectively across the classes. Then lower level guys won't be competitive just by specialising because the high level hybrid will be just as good as what you specialise in. He is too versatile and strong in too many areas. Lack of weaknesses is where imbalance comes in

Best way to handle this is by using the slot system imo, and you should be able to lock people into a role for the round. So if you have a bow you can't really utilise high PS well because you're locked into using a weak 1 hander and you can't drop the bow so keep the same movement speed. You stay as ranged for the whole round and are limited. Its similar with melee already - you can't just pick up a bow and use it. Why should you drop a bow and negate the negative elements of the weapon and be melee?

[Kafein]

You just explained the Native class system.

[Man of Steel]

phew... Im already 35

Saxon and many others too!

[//saxon]

Ideally, I'd like to do one o the following. Rescale XP level requirements such that level 33 or 34 only requires 8-10 mil xp total, but any levels past that point require roughly the same as what they require now. The other idea would be to stop giving attribute points after level 30/31, so that when you level up, you only get the one skill point. This I think, would be the most effective over time.

these are very bold changes, atleast everyone will get a free respec huh?   

[Tydeus]

these are very bold changes, atleast everyone will get a free respec huh? 

Assuming I can get chadz on board and then harald willing to make the changes(or something along those lines). I doubt this will happen, but it certainly is something that I think needs to be done. Contrary to popular belief, cRPG does still get new players, I just don't believe many of them are "sticking with it." Why should they though? Not only will most people have a sizable level advantage, but they'll also have a loom advantage. Were it just one of them, it might be fine, but both is a little too much.

[Grumbs]

Assuming I can get chadz on board and then harald willing to make the changes(or something along those lines). I doubt this will happen, but it certainly is something that I think needs to be done. Contrary to popular belief, cRPG does still get new players, I just don't believe many of them are "sticking with it." Why should they though? Not only will most people have a sizable level advantage, but they'll also have a loom advantage. Were it just one of them, it might be fine, but both is a little too much.

Plus the player skill curve. Not many people who play now had to contend with fully loomed level 35's like now (who also have years of experience at the game), most people learned in a much fairer environment

Would be good if there were more incentives to retire rather than stay at a high level too. Some items should be able to be loomed more than 3 times but they would just get a different looking model maybe

[//saxon]

Plus the player skill curve. Not many people who play now had to contend with fully loomed level 35's like now (who also have years of experience at the game), most people learned in a much fairer environment

Would be good if there were more incentives to retire rather than stay at a high level too. Some items should be able to be loomed more than 3 times but they would just get a different looking model maybe

well what happened to EU_5? peasant server, just change that to a beginner server, and somehow make it balanced.

[Tydeus]

well what happened to EU_5? peasant server, just change that to a beginner server, and somehow make it balanced.

Sure, but you have to keep it populated or no one will join it.

[Tindel]

Grats saxon,  maybe you can afford boots now!

Tydeus messing with the "endgame" of crpg might kill the community entirely, since alot of players stay around to "progress".

Double exp is more than enough to let newcomers catch up.