One of the silliest things I've done, in hindsight (Realized almost instantly a half hour later by me and everyone), I should have went by a different name, etc. But at least now I can play ball with Ecko, freedom.
Time to bring the servers dowj.
If there's one external person that I'd first and foremost let the NA server run, it's Ecko. This is in no way an attempt to "overthrow" you or something.
But the NA community got weird lately. Lots of quarrels, lots of fighting, be it verbally or with actions. This is no good, not at all. So the offer to receive a totally neutral NA server was like the best thing that could happen. And I gladly accepted.
People claimed that we, the devs, didn't care for NA enough, and I think it was true. That's why we are looking forward to expanding our staff with NA admins and NA betatesters and whatnot.
Bottom line: it's better if strategus is run officially, than by a clan. Any clan.
The servers and their entirety will be run and moderated by chadz and his team of moderators, these servers are completely neutral, and I have no control over them whatsoever. Remember: they are run by chadz, not me.Someone missed this line.
I have said constantly that the NA Strategus server ban list will be reset when strat comes out. I also have tons of admins from various guilds beyond mine. My servers are run by me, with the whole NA community.I know I'm one of your admins Ecko, and this could be seen as not being grateful to you for giving me admin. But I really don't see an issue with having an actual OFFICIAL NA server. It's paid for by Zealot and ran completely by the dev team and who they choose. So what you have here is an unbiased group controlling a server in NA for once. I'm glad to see it. +1 for Zealot and +1 for the dev team imo.
since most of the problems people have with this (including me) is the owner.
Why not have the thing hosted on eckos machine, but with admins and stuff set up by devs.
Yes please.
What do we need 3 more NA servers for anyway? (Strat, Battle and Siege?) chadz, Ecko, can't we just make the ATS servers official instead? Most people already play there. Maybe make the Siege server into an unofficial ATS whatever (battle, siege or DTV, it can rotate) and the Battle and Strat become official?
chadz, my main worry if Zealot pays for the server is that he will then have access to the box. Not the admin password, but the actual server. I feel like he could have a field day messing with stuff in there. Some examples off the top of my head:
- Big LLJK Strat battle coming up. Its key that they win or they lose a city. An hour before the battle, Zealot calls the server host and has them disconnect it. Voila, LLJK doesn't lose its castle.
- Someone Zealot or a goon friend doesn't like is having a big battle... same thing
- Someone Zealot doesn't like gets mysteriously added to the ban list (editing server files.)
- The official servers are all renamed "C-RPG_Ecko_Is_Gay"
Zealot wont be in charge of the server. chadz wanted to run the official NA servers himself, and Zealot is generously providing and paying for the box himself and giving it entirely to chadz to control, to run as he sees fit. Neutrally with admins he selects. I see no problem with that other then that you are throwing a tantrum. This is chadz show and his decision.
since most of the problems people have with this (including me) is the owner.Because NA needs another Box. Another server box will cut down on the lag greatly. Expect to start seeing a huge influx of players now that strategus is live. The ATS servers already have lag issues.
Why not have the thing hosted on eckos machine, but with admins and stuff set up by devs.
Thing is, ATS restarted the Strategus server while losing a siege, ATS mass bans innocent clan members because they don't like one or two people, countless unwarranted permbans have been handed out to random pubbies and clan players alike because an admin doesn't like them. You just described all the problems people have with any clan owning a server, and since ATS owns the most servers they've most visibly harmed the community with actions like this. That's why these servers wont be ATS, LLJK, Hospitaller, anything like that where internet drama, pride, and personal goals would interfere with creating the best community possible for all players. What matters is that these are neutral and official. Zealot has stepped up to pay for them, that's all, don't be paranoid.
- Big ATS battle going on. Its key that they win or they lose a city. During the battle its clear that ATS is losing and mysteriously the server restarts.Ecko already did that once
If there's one external person that I'd first and foremost let the NA server run, it's Ecko. This is in no way an attempt to "overthrow" you or something.
But the NA community got weird lately. Lots of quarrels, lots of fighting, be it verbally or with actions. This is no good, not at all. So the offer to receive a totally neutral NA server was like the best thing that could happen. And I gladly accepted.
People claimed that we, the devs, didn't care for NA enough, and I think it was true. That's why we are looking forward to expanding our staff with NA admins and NA betatesters and whatnot.
Bottom line: it's better if strategus is run officially, than by a clan. Any clan.
I know this has been said many times but by having Zealot pay for the server he has complete access to it. Even if you say "Oh no its run by the devs its safe." He easily will have access to it and there are numerous damaging actions that he could do to you while you are playing on the server.
So official EU folks want to set up shop in NA finally?Some good points, but I'm not sure they all apply here. Sure it seems like NA has been treated poorly in the past. But what does that have to do with how they run a server in NA? What are they going to just ban everyone for even the slightest infractions? Doubtful. I don't really see how having a neutral official server would be affected by how chadz treats NA.
So to play Devil's Advocate, we want them to now run important servers on our side of the pond...
EU
- Does not use NA for Beta Testers.
- Has stated openly on numerous occasions that it does not and will not use NA for consideration on item balancing, only what EU does (So thank EU for fucking up your shit folks for the latest patch, as well as fixing what was broken and needed fixing, as it is all them and not us at all.).
- When the glitch was found that Skills above tne did not work, EU servers received the fix but NA servers had to "wait" for the next patch.
- Has ignored NA on everything but hooking up and disconnecting new servers.
- When the slot patch was implemented, mass banned 250 NA players right off the bat for "exploitation" on an impulse "fix" due to a few glitches found on a new game mode.
- Only in the last few days started helping NA such as hooking up Ecko's servers with the new Admin gadgets or offering to set up a new "officially run" server...
Why is EU having such a massive change of heart? What brought this on?
If we hand over our important Strategus server to the "Official" people, will we get the same amount of attention that was given to us for the past year or so, or will we get support?
We all know how EU operates their official servers, and they do a fine job of it, but when it comes to their attention to NA it has always been ... exceedingly lackluster. So, which side of the coin will it be if we get these new servers? EU attention like they treat EU, or EU attention like they always treat NA?
For all it's imperfections, we already know how Ecko runs his servers. We also know how EU has helped NA in the past for the entire history of c-RPG.
Abstaining from the vote until I can figure out how serious the Official EU is about taking over, or if this is a half-assed project that only involves Shik running things all by himself without help (not counting his "deputies" that he will be electing). On the other hand we could really use some new top-notch servers, and impartial is always a good thing. However, I am afraid that this new "impartial" server will be the usual "I don't care" kind of impartial that EU is famous for towards NA, and not the proper "impartial" attentiveness that EU gives itself.
EDIT: If I donate, will that money start going towards this "Official" NA server or will we have to specifically foot the bill via "unofficial" donations? Further more if I donate towards this "Official" server will it give NA folks the chance to still earn "heirloom loterry" tickets?
Now common people, way to get carried away. Why would Zealot pay a crap ton of money out of his own pocket, and give up all influence to chadz, only to do something like that and have it all taken down? It's not like chadz would allow that sort of thing to happen, and if it did, he certainly wouldn't allow it to continue.
Then what is he going to do, steal his own money?
Instead of stringing up Zealot, we should be thanking him for his generosity so that we can split the strain of the new players that will be coming back for strat, and also for giving us official servers for NA players, which we have gone without for ages.
I'd like to request that the poll be taken down and it does not reflect the truth and is only serving to spread discourse and misinformation on a subject that is actually simple and clear.
this is the problem with the ats servers. I wasnt around for this so called reset but have heard many accounts about it from various clans/people, and you must agree it sounds fishy as hell.
People also say lljk are bad will cheat etc etc. Ats servers have more than a few BADMINS. why can't lljk get a chance to do it too. Its fun to troll and cause chaos on others servers but give them a chance. you also cannot condemn a whole clan for the actions of a few. were that the case i would hate all ats members
Now common people, way to get carried away. Why would Zealot pay a crap ton of money out of his own pocket, and give up all influence to chadz, only to do something like that and have it all taken down? It's not like chadz would allow that sort of thing to happen, and if it did, he certainly wouldn't allow it to continue.
Then what is he going to do, steal his own money?
Instead of stringing up Zealot, we should be thanking him for his generosity so that we can split the strain of the new players that will be coming back for strat, and also for giving us official servers for NA players, which we have gone without for ages.
I'd like to request that the poll be taken down and it does not reflect the truth and is only serving to spread discourse and misinformation on a subject that is actually simple and clear.
Dude, have you ever played with LLJK? You sound like you're from a different world. I'm not even talking about this game exclusively; their clan is from somethingawful.com, the biggest bridge to ever spawn masses of trolls on the internet. THAT IS THE POINT OF THEIR CLAN.And if Zealot started making demands, the devs would be forced to meet them... why? He's the one doing them a favor, the dev team doesn't lose anything if the server shuts down.
You come off as extremely naive. I appreciate your sentement, but letting LLJK be involved in any part of this is like letting a cokehead run a daycare. I don't care what anyone says, money talks, bullshit walks. If you're in charge of the finances of a server, or anything in the real world for that matter, you are effectively in charge of that server. This is how the real world works, and the sooner we wise up to it the better off the community will be.
Now, let's get to the part where we suggest a reasonable solution. Why not allow all of those who would like to contribute to a new server do so. Hell, Zealot can even put forward the first year's worth if he's so magnanimous. However, this would go to chadz, he would purchase the server, and run it himself with those he deems fit to help. This way everyone can contribute, the burden of cost is split among many so there is not one controlling interest, and everyone benefits from a truly neutral server/s. Please tell me why this is not the best solution.
Dude, have you ever played with LLJK? You sound like you're from a different world. I'm not even talking about this game exclusively; their clan is from somethingawful.com, the biggest bridge to ever spawn masses of trolls on the internet. THAT IS THE POINT OF THEIR CLAN.
You come off as extremely naive. I appreciate your sentement, but letting LLJK be involved in any part of this is like letting a cokehead run a daycare. I don't care what anyone says, money talks, bullshit walks. If you're in charge of the finances of a server, or anything in the real world for that matter, you are effectively in charge of that server. This is how the real world works, and the sooner we wise up to it the better off the community will be.
Now, let's get to the part where we suggest a reasonable solution. Why not allow all of those who would like to contribute to a new server do so. Hell, Zealot can even put forward the first year's worth if he's so magnanimous. However, this would go to chadz, he would purchase the server, and run it himself with those he deems fit to help. This way everyone can contribute, the burden of cost is split among many so there is not one controlling interest, and everyone benefits from a truly neutral server/s. Please tell me why this is not the best solution.
If there's one external person that I'd first and foremost let the NA server run, it's Ecko. This is in no way an attempt to "overthrow" you or something.
But the NA community got weird lately. Lots of quarrels, lots of fighting, be it verbally or with actions. This is no good, not at all. So the offer to receive a totally neutral NA server was like the best thing that could happen. And I gladly accepted.
People claimed that we, the devs, didn't care for NA enough, and I think it was true. That's why we are looking forward to expanding our staff with NA admins and NA betatesters and whatnot.
Bottom line: it's better if strategus is run officially, than by a clan. Any clan.
I find it interesting how so many LLJK members have come in here to support Zealot.
I find it interesting how so many LLJK members have come in here to support Zealot.Just as interesting as Ecko going server to server using admin chat to ask for support? What's your point here?
I find it interesting how so many LLJK members have come in here to support Zealot.
And to address the hate towards Zealot, please keep in mind that Ecko's server's admin password got leaked because he gave it to anyone who would put his dick in their mouth.
I find it interesting how so many Northern Empire members have come in here to support Ecko.
I find it interesting how so many LLJK members have come in here to support Zealot.I find it interesting how LLJK and ATS members can not for once in their lives shut the fuck up about each other.
Shall we look at the LLJK server and how some of their admins operate? Did you remove Goat yet from Admin, or no?
The question is,What happens when anyone stops paying? How is this an issue, it applies to ALL servers.
What happens if he stops paying?
The question is,
What happens if he stops paying?
Shall we look at the LLJK server and how some of their admins operate? Did you remove Goat yet from Admin, or no?
The question is,
What happens if he stops paying?
AND NOT EVEN chadz CAN STOP HIM.:lol:.
Ecko's server still run and he hardly, never plays. He stated this several times that he is solely community manager, not a player.
Shall we look at the LLJK server and how some of their admins operate? Did you remove Goat yet from Admin, or no?I find it interesting how LLJK and ATS members can not for once in their lives shut the fuck up about each other.Goatee has never been an admin on the LLJK server.
IF ZEALOT PAYS FOR THE SERVER HE HAS ACCESS TO THE SERVER.AND IF HE FUCKS AROUND THE SERVER WILL BE IMMEDIATELY DISCONNECTED, AND ZEALOT WILL BE LEFT HOLDING THE BAG FOR A BUNCH OF USELESS SERVERS.
HE CAN FUCK WITH IT IF HE WANTS TO, AND NOT EVEN chadz CAN STOP HIM.
YOU'RE STILL ATS AND YOU'RE DEFENDING THEM, YOU'RE OPINION MEANS NOTHING.
THIS IS BIASED AT ITS BEST!
I don't mean to be defending anyone. I'm saying that anyone would be better than a known, proven troll. Hell, let Lady_GaGa set it up; at least he's proven himself responsible in the past.
I just don't want the guy who dicks around constantly and has not only griefed but gone on drunken banning sprees to a server he wasn't supposed to be admin on, to have any sort of control whatsoever over any server. ESPECIALLY not an official one.
Dig? :mrgreen:
AND IF HE FUCKS AROUND THE SERVER WILL BE IMMEDIATELY DISCONNECTED, AND ZEALOT WILL BE LEFT HOLDING THE BAG FOR A BUNCH OF USELESS SERVERS.
CAN WE PLEASE STOP YELLING AND ACT LIKE ADULTS?
Hell, let Lady_GaGa set it up; at least he's proven himself responsible in the past.HAHAHAHAHA
LULLLZ i voted yes, SHIT STORMS ARE AWESOMEWHERE THE FUCK IS THE YES VOTE? WHAT AM I MISSING?
I find it interesting how LLJK and ATS members can not for once in their lives shut the fuck up about each other.
i'm glad clan neutral servers didn't kill the NA drama
best part of this game imo
I like the miswording :/
Its not zealot who is going to manage the servers players.
All he is gonna do is station it on his home, he is not gonna do anything with the community...
You say that like its a fact. How do you know that? If he pays for the server he's got access to it.AND chadz WON'T BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT IF HE DOES ANYTHING TO IT.
You say that like its a fact. How do you know that? If he pays for the server he's got access to it.Alright, he's got access to it, but if he does anything in bad faith the servers will be almost certainly be unlinked, and us North Americans are stuck back where we are now.
AND chadz WON'T BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT IF HE DOES ANYTHING TO IT.
Am I rite?
AND chadz WON'T BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT IF HE DOES ANYTHING TO IT.
Am I rite?
You say that like its a fact. How do you know that? If he pays for the server he's got access to it.
AND chadz WON'T BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT IF HE DOES ANYTHING TO IT.
Am I rite?
Disagree.
chadz can set up an account(say paypal) and use the funds transfered to that to pay for the server without Zealot being able to touch the server. In this day and age, one can get around hurdles like that.
Just saying.
Why not give it a try. It'd be REAL cool to have 2 NA strat servers. It'd reduce the load for NA based battles(though the poor EU's would have to do the wait queues.)
Holy hell 5 replys made....
Alright. You win, I relent. Still, I'll leave you with this parting thought:
Zealot = known troll
chadz = known troll
Alright. You win, I relent. Still, I'll leave you with this parting thought:
Zealot = known troll
chadz = known troll
Who cares if the servers disconnect, if he's already got his trophy forum thread on the goon boards?Do you honestly think a "trophy forum thread" (which doesn't exist, and is against SA rules for the most part) is worth a couple hundred to a couple thousand dollars? Do you actually think our Private Forums threads are just so we can plan the next big grief (spearheaded by our most retarded members)?
really makes you think
Maybe chadz and zealot should have a baby..... oh wait where have I heard this before, Something about tears and destiny, hmmm. Either way that baby would be one crazy fucking troll.
I suggest Tears_of_Destiny and chadz make a baby together with all the ability to mod and all the right ideas rolled into one supremely-adorable being.
I'm all for someone else owning and running an NA strategus server. So long as its not zealot.
EU
- Does not use NA for Beta Testers.
That would change when we could get an official NA server. That's why a NA server would be good.- Has stated openly on numerous occasions that it does not and will not use NA for consideration on item balancing, only what EU does (So thank EU for fucking up your shit folks for the latest patch, as well as fixing what was broken and needed fixing, as it is all them and not us at all.).
because we have no NA beta testers- When the glitch was found that Skills above tne did not work, EU servers received the fix but NA servers had to "wait" for the next patch.
and why is that? because we don't have control of an official NA server- Has ignored NA on everything but hooking up and disconnecting new servers.
like every other server except the official EU server? That's why an NA server would be good.- When the slot patch was implemented, mass banned 250 NA players right off the bat for "exploitation" on an impulse "fix" due to a few glitches found on a new game mode.
Who the hell came up with that rumor. Accounts were frozen so I could investigate what the fuck happened without having newer stuff changing the image. The only other way would have been a 16 hour rollback. And this wasn't because the players are from NA, it was because all players of the happening servers were NA.- Only in the last few days started helping NA such as hooking up Ecko's servers with the new Admin gadgets or offering to set up a new "officially run" server...
Just responding to this, because nearly everything in this is just..wrong, or the reason why it would be good for us to have official servers.
Please, take my servers and admin them. I only do it cause no one else will.
Just responding to this, because nearly everything in this is just..wrong, or the reason why it would be good for us to have official servers.
All in all, I hate all this nationalistic shit. I'm probably the last person that thinks one country, one nation, one continent is better than another one.
Fact is: we treated NA like every other server out there, because we wanted to allow every server owner to do as he pleases, as long as it's within the rules.
Just responding to this, because nearly everything in this is just..wrong, or the reason why it would be good for us to have official servers.
All in all, I hate all this nationalistic shit. I'm probably the last person that thinks one country, one nation, one continent is better than another one.
Fact is: we treated NA like every other server out there, because we wanted to allow every server owner to do as he pleases, as long as it's within the rules.
People claimed that we, the devs, didn't care for NA enough, and I think it was true. That's why we are looking forward to expanding our staff with NA admins and NA betatesters and whatnot.When people like even you say things like this, of course NA goes up in arms with suspicion.
I've always supported NA official servers. Find the team to manage it, the admins, and i'll be game. Less hassle for me. But i stand by my comments on zealot. You'd be a fool to work with him.
When people like even you say things like this, of course NA goes up in arms with suspicion.
Vote or Die 7/14/2011
Currently, chadz has made the decision to no longer let me run the NA strategus servers.
Please click HERE to vote on who you would like to run the new servers.
If you don't trust Zealot trust the guy who made crpg.
Zealot = known troll
chadz = known troll
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Please, take my servers and admin them. I only do it cause no one else will.Actually in this case, someone is willing to do it. It's chadz.
Please, take my servers and admin them. I only do it cause no one else will.
Please, take my servers and admin them. I only do it cause no one else will.
Do you honestly think a "trophy forum thread" (which doesn't exist, and is against SA rules for the most part) is worth a couple hundred to a couple thousand dollars? Do you actually think our Private Forums threads are just so we can plan the next big grief (spearheaded by our most retarded members)?
For the most part, all we do is argue about how effective arrows should be and call Damug "Badug"
You are suspicious that chadz has admitted to something and has committed himself to changing things for the better? I know he likes to troll but common man that's a weird reason to get worked up and suspicious.
Do you honestly think a "trophy forum thread" (which doesn't exist, and is against SA rules for the most part) is worth a couple hundred to a couple thousand dollars? Do you actually think our Private Forums threads are just so we can plan the next big grief (spearheaded by our most retarded members)?
For the most part, all we do is argue about how effective arrows should be and call Damug "Badug"
Please, nobody its buying the tired excuses of lljk. The clan's nature is well known. Does Carl Rove write your spin?Listen man, I'm not trying to convince you of anything. This is a thing that is happening. Barring Zealot undergoing a massive heart attack that prevents him from typing his Credit Card details into a payment form, he'll have bought server space for the NA Strategus community at his own expense and to chadz thanks.
1. The poll choice made me laugh. If you want your poll to have any importance, make it unbiaised.
2. If chadz say something, i don't think it's up to a player to post a topic asking what should be done, when it's already decided by the mod developer.
3. Why not give it a chance ?
So if i punch you in the face slantedfloors then the next day ask you for money and your car, you would give it to me?
This is the dumbest fucking idea i ever heared, and if it is not a huge troll then this whole idea is fail
So if i punch you in the face slantedfloors then the next day ask you for money and your car, you would give it to me?I'm not even sure what you are trying to compare your example to. It's completely unrecognizable as a parallel scenario to current events.
This is the dumbest fucking idea i ever heared, and if it is not a huge troll then this whole idea is fail
Weak analogy.
Zealot is paying and offering the car after punching the guy.
Yeah, but once you drive off with it he's gonna blow that fucker up
Yeah, but once you drive off with it he's gonna blow that fucker up
I too destroy things that I spend hundreds of dollars on, it's just so funny when you lose a large investment :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
I'm not even sure what you are trying to compare your example to. It's completely unrecognizable as a parallel scenario to current events.ok look rtard, he will pay(i bet with the goons backing) and he will have the power to fuck with all the na team
ok look rtard, he will pay(i bet with the goons backing) and he will have the power to fuck with all the na teamNo, this is still not a good comparison. Try again. I believe in you.
so i punch you in the face
the next day i offer to pay for gas(the strat box) if u let me use the car, then you give it to me
anyway u trie to spin this, this is fail
No, this is still not a good comparison. Try again.I'm sorry you can only think at a 3rd grade lvl, go back to school and try again.
ok look rtard, he will pay(i bet with the goons backing) and he will have the power to fuck with all the na team
so i punch you in the face
the next day i offer to pay for gas(the strat box) if u let me use the car, then you give it to me
anyway u spin this, this is fail
ok look rtard, he will pay(i bet with the goons backing) and he will have the power to fuck with all the na team
so i punch you in the face
the next day i offer to pay for gas(the strat box) if u let me use the car, then you give it to me
anyway u spin this, this is fail
I am starting to understand why Classical punched you in the face to begin with... Or maybe he hit too hard... is that the problem?I don't know, either. Why is there even a car in this scenario? What is the point of the "car" when the "money" is also on the line?
ugh kid, think if your in the car at all you will hear/ get shit. you can fuck over the driver, you can find out shit and mess with the radio....
ok look rtard, he will pay(i bet with the goons backing) and he will have the power to fuck with all the na team
so i punch you in the face
the next day i offer to pay for gas(the strat box) if u let me use the car, then you give it to me
anyway u spin this, this is fail
Why is there even a car in this scenario? What is the point of the "car" when the "money" is also on the line?again go back to school, or dont... we always need people like you for the jobs most of the world dont want to do
Am I the car? Is that what's going on?
this is the problem with the ats servers. I wasnt around for this so called reset but have heard many accounts about it from various clans/people, and you must agree it sounds fishy as hell.Let me set the record straight about the "reset" by the nefarious ATS clan...
People also say lljk are bad will cheat etc etc. Ats servers have more than a few BADMINS. why can't lljk get a chance to do it too. Its fun to troll and cause chaos on others servers but give them a chance. you also cannot condemn a whole clan for the actions of a few. were that the case i would hate all ats members
again go back to school, or dont... we always need people like you for the jobs most of the world dont want to doIs this still part of the analogy? Am I a car going to school?
I want to be the school.Maybe the school is God.
your mothers a bus,
and your a car
I challenge ANYONE who was in the battle to contradict me. NOTHING improper happened. If you are going to make accusations, bring some reliable players forward, or offer up video/screenshots. Otherwise, sit down and stop spreading rumors.
He will have the same abilities as any other player. He will not have access to the server box nor the server itself, he is merely having access to "Where chadz says to pay."
Do you get it yet? Or do we want to continue your fascination with Classical going Mad Max and blowing up cars?
sorry, who owns the server? you say he wont have access? that's poor business right there. WHY CANT HE JUST DONATE TO chadz AND HAVE chadz RENT A SERVERAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH~~~~~~!!!!!!
sorry, who owns the server? you say he wont have access? that's poor business right there. WHY CANT HE JUST DONATE TO chadz AND HAVE chadz RENT A SERVER
Keep at least the spam down or I'll call the intercontinental moderator group.Can we continue trying to piece out Native_ATS's analogy though? This thing will be the Voynich Manual of the 21st century.
I think that is what Zealot is effectively doing.You Think? so you dont know? This is way you fail
"hey chadz, if I give you a shitton more money then you normally get, every month, consistently, will you be super cool and use it for this specific purpose?"
And then chadz was all like "Lulz lets do this and troll"
And then we were all like "THE SKY IS FUCKING FALLING but it's ok, I have a fucking lollipop and i'm a car but your mother is a bus and god is school..."
sorry, who owns the server? you say he wont have access? that's poor business right there. WHY CANT HE JUST DONATE TO chadz AND HAVE chadz RENT A SERVER
You Think? so you dont know? This is way you fail
And then we were all like "THE SKY IS FUCKING FALLING but it's ok, I have a fucking lollipop and i'm a car but your mother is a bus and god is school..."
At least I understand that Zealot is doing "charity" unlike Ecko who is calling it "Business" nor am I babbling about punching people in the face that so far not a single person understands the analogy of why the car is going from person B to A instead of the other way around....You dont understand at all, you just think you do. You just said I think that is what Zealot is effectively doing.
But it's ok... I finally understand your avatar... I thought it was a community warning against trolls not that you were the troll in question.
Also the poll seems to speak volumes about the way the NA players who mainly use the NA strat server feel. The Vast majority of NA players like the Strat server as it is and feel it is fair.I agree, a biased poll made in the middle of the working day that was locked after it's originator went to every single Teamspeak he could and riled people up with divisive language is clearly indicative of the prevailing attitudes of the NA community.
You dont understand at all, you just think you do. You just said I think that is what Zealot is effectively doing.
your backing a known troll, and a power abuser with out knowing for sure.
Official North American ServersRead below for more information..
So chadz asked me to post here to announce something to you guys, since you brought this thread up yourself.
For the last couple weeks I've been in talks with chadz to organize a set of servers for both, Battle, Siege, and Strategus that are officially endorsed by chadz, and his entire staff of official admins. This was only being discussed due to the fact there were no "official" servers for North America, unlike the European servers, which are official.
So long story short: I'm going to be throwing up a well-specced box (I'm a little too lazy to use multiple ones, deal with it) and paying for it, off this box the official North American servers will be hosted on it. The new official North American servers will be a..
Battle Server, Siege Server, and the official Strategus Server, slots for each of these servers is still being decided.
The servers and their entirety will be run and moderated by chadz and his team of moderators, these servers are completely neutral, and I have no control over them whatsoever. Remember: they are run by chadz, not me.
Consider this my gift to the community.
The servers are estimated to go up sometime next week, we'll see if the payment goes through without complications, but I'm estimating it for sometime next week. Just stick to the fact, this is a reality, and it is coming when it comes, I'll try to be as speedy as possible.
Remember, these are official servers run by chadz and his moderation teams, not run by me.
Someone missed this line.
I just want to know why Ecko and Company hates chadz and Shik so much? The server will be run by them, and is better then Eckos box. I suspect all the people in favor of Ecko's server hates Freedom and America.
Zealot had to scrounge to sneak the NA server passwords.
I am a truck now.No no no, the car is the 1st-person perspective of the analogy's viewer. Other traffic on the road is either the European CRPG community or the disputed zone of Bure between Ethiopia and Eritrea.
Yes you were winning the siege, it may not have been "close" but considering you had already started with a significant advantage in troops and equipment, I'd say we were doing pretty good. But when the servers came back up, half the defenders did not return to the battle. You took significantly less losses in both equipment and troops the second time around, in addition to being able to perfect your strategy.Is this the best defence you can come up with? Okay, I really shouldn't even be replying to this as the facts are evident, but here goes...
The ideal thing to have done would have just moved the battle to the next day, to allow the defenders to rejoin the battle, since they were not on teamspeak and did not know to rejoin the battle.
The most important issue, is that the defenders were not notified to rejoin the battle, and instead of the original 60 players fighting against you, there were maybe 30, if that. That is why this is such a big issue, not that we were "winning" or anything like that.
If you want us to take you seriously, first take of the ATS tags, so we know you're not biased and second go to EU so you have no hard feelings to anyone, then we can take you seriously...
i'll never take the tags off, but i will suggest that if you don't trust me you go for anyone but zealotIt turns out that Wylker will be heavily involved too, so your wish is granted.
i'll never take the tags off, but i will suggest that if you don't trust me you go for anyone but zealot
Could we please set up the official server in central geography? (for example Texas, North Dakota?) It's good middle ground for the whole NA cRPG community.It's currently slated to be located in Chicago.
Official North American ServersRead below for more information..
So chadz asked me to post here to announce something to you guys, since you brought this thread up yourself.
For the last couple weeks I've been in talks with chadz to organize a set of servers for both, Battle, Siege, and Strategus that are officially endorsed by chadz, and his entire staff of official admins. This was only being discussed due to the fact there were no "official" servers for North America, unlike the European servers, which are official.
So long story short: I'm going to be throwing up a well-specced box (I'm a little too lazy to use multiple ones, deal with it) and paying for it, off this box the official North American servers will be hosted on it. The new official North American servers will be a..
Battle Server, Siege Server, and the official Strategus Server, slots for each of these servers is still being decided.
The servers and their entirety will be run and moderated by chadz and his team of moderators, these servers are completely neutral, and I have no control over them whatsoever. Remember: they are run by chadz, not me.
Consider this my gift to the community.
The servers are estimated to go up sometime next week, we'll see if the payment goes through without complications, but I'm estimating it for sometime next week. Just stick to the fact, this is a reality, and it is coming when it comes, I'll try to be as speedy as possible.
Remember, these are official servers run by chadz and his moderation teams, not run by me.
i stop playing this game.
A) Only chadz can change battle times, which he does rarely for any reason. Usually he effectively says "lulz deal with it."
B) People have brains: if they want to keep playing, they should rejoin on their own. It is the individual's fault if he doesn't come back, ATS has no blame in that. I always rejoin battles that crash as a merc. And I recall a lot more than 30 rejoining, more like 40-50.
C) We had no idea what would happen when the server crashed. personally I thought the battle would get bugged and ATS would lose everything (soldiers/equip). Fortunately that didn't happen and it went back to the start of the battle.
D) We did get a better strategy the second time around, simply because we had more experience attacking the castle. Throughout the battle we were getting more experience and getting better. The defenders should have done the same. Not our fault if they didn't take advantage of the opportunity.
Perhaps you just need to get in the car and ride, since the door is open and the driver has his license.
But who is controlling the radio and climate control?!I think the radio is the developmental difference between nature and nurture.
ats admin is why i stop playing this game.
Can we stop this, now?
You're all being retarded on various levels of it. It's a Strat server, something the Goons have been lazing about waiting for to come back so they can play again. They're not going to sabotage it. Further more, it's going to be better then Ecko's currently intended Strat server on the virtue of hardware and less actual individual servers on one box. (See; As I am aware, Ecko's server hosts all of them on the same box, this Strat will only have it on one.)
There are whispers and observations of ATS (And such) abusing their "power" in regards to the server as admins, some in regards to old Strat. Did these necessarily happen? Maybe. Does it really matter? No, the server is run by ATS - That's a bias. This movement means that the server will be managed by the very makers of the mod and selected people among the community as a whole. Not just, mostly, a clan. How is that worse?
Spoiler;(click to show/hide)
You all are speaking of Zealot being able to fuck with the server... Well, let's assume he will, for this argument's sake; chadz no doubt removes the official support of the server. Who else has Strat server stuff? Ecko. So Zealot wasted a fair amount of money and now Ecko is hosting the strat server, anyway. Wouldn't that be a good thing, then? The person you loathe for some reason or another gets damaged and in the end "you" still "win"?
There should be threads like this everyday.
i'll never take the tags off, but i will suggest that if you don't trust me you go for anyone but zealot
ToD doesn't like logic. Give him analogies. Cars ftw.
Me, me, go for me !
Ecko just gave me thy blessing ! I'll have Hardnesskiller to second me in this hard task, and i'll find 29 other buddies too, to be sure to be there at all time. Oh god, we're going to havefunwork.
Thanks for your blessing Ecko again. Thread can be close now, thanks.
What ? I'm EU ? And ? I'm "anyone".
ToD doesn't like logic. Give him analogies. Cars ftw.
Add one more idiot to the list for not noticing that there are alternative servers like Blackrose or Texas or Tunatown etc...
Can we stop this, now?
You're all being retarded on various levels of it. It's a Strat server, something the Goons have been lazing about waiting for to come back so they can play again. They're not going to sabotage it. Further more, it's going to be better then Ecko's currently intended Strat server on the virtue of hardware and less actual individual servers on one box. (See; As I am aware, Ecko's server hosts all of them on the same box, this Strat will only have it on one.)
There are whispers and observations of ATS (And such) abusing their "power" in regards to the server as admins, some in regards to old Strat. Did these necessarily happen? Maybe. Does it really matter? No, the server is run by ATS - That's a bias. This movement means that the server will be managed by the very makers of the mod and selected people among the community as a whole. Not just, mostly, a clan. How is that worse?
Spoiler;(click to show/hide)
You all are speaking of Zealot being able to fuck with the server... Well, let's assume he will, for this argument's sake; chadz no doubt removes the official support of the server. Who else has Strat server stuff? Ecko. So Zealot wasted a fair amount of money and now Ecko is hosting the strat server, anyway. Wouldn't that be a good thing, then? The person you loathe for some reason or another gets damaged and in the end "you" still "win"?
the problem isn't that its run by a clan. If any other clan ran it, I would be fine with that. Chaos, Blackrose, NA based GK, etc. etc. they're all good folks. The problem is with Zealot. He is quite literally the last person I would ever pick to own a strategus server. You claim that ATS is accused of abusing power nearly a year ago, well just a few weeks ago zealot did one of the biggest abuses of the admin control panel in the history of c-rpg, arguably in warband. The issue that this same goon is the one who will own the server and have access to the admin passwords and everything. That is what the uproar is about.
If you cannot see the reason for concern behind that, then you must have been dropped as a child.
Why did my mother drink when she was pregnant with me?
Ok guys.
I got it.
The server is a bus.
One day, Zealot got drunk, hijacked the bus, crashed the bus, and took a dump on the seats.
Then Zealot got kicked off the bus. He can't ride the bus.
Now Zealot is buying his own bus and letting everyone ride it for free.
He even hired some drivers and promised never to drive the bus again.
But you have to ask yourself:
Do I ride this bus?
Why would I want this guy around my bus?
If he's paying for the bus, do I trust that he won't try driving the bus at some point in the future?
Even though this is a new bus, will it smell like shit?
What's this dude's thing about buses anyway?(click to show/hide)
summed up your post quite well.
Owning the server= bending over for zealot with your pants around your ankles hoping he doesn't feel lonely. If you don't understand that, then just stop typing and do the world a favor and throw your computer out the second story window.
One day, Zealot got drunk, hijacked the bus, crashed the bus, and took a dump on the seats.
Then Zealot got kicked off the bus. He can't ride the bus.
Apparently letting Shik run the server is equivalent of being raped by zealot. You won me over, changing my vote now.
He didnt hijack the bus, he got the keys from one of the drivers (who are thereby responsible for his actions, legally)
The simplest way to end the controversy would be what I suggested earlier: Have a paypal account that goes to chadz, and HE pays for the server directly. Why limit financial input to one person, regardless of who they are? I would put up cash to help fund the new server if given a chance, and I'm sure others would too.
I will literally put my money where my mouth is on this one. Set up a fund for chadz, let him purchase and fully control the server. That way nobody controls it directly through finances/physical ownership, and everyone wins.
Nobody has yet refuted why this solution is not rational and neutral. I would just like us all to get along so we can all kill each other in a game.
Are you as retarded in real life as you play out to be here? <--- I'm seriously asking this by the way, its not rhetorical.
Zealot owning the server= bad idea. If someone comes in and shits all over the place, you don't reward him by giving him one of the most crucial parts of strategus. It does not matter if shik runs the server, if Zealot owns it, there will be trouble. Let someone else run it who does not have a long history of griefing.
He didnt hijack the bus, he got the keys from one of the drivers (who are thereby responsible for his actions, legally)
Are you as retarded in real life as you play out to be here? <--- I'm seriously asking this by the way, its not rhetorical.
If I steal your car keys, jump in the car and realize your baby is strapped in the back seat, throw him from the window at high speeds, and then abandon the car on the side of the road, you can be sure as shit I'm going to jail for a long time.
I just wanted to get in on the metaphor.
I knew you sounded like you were mentally handicapped when you spoke, just gave you the benefit of the doubt until now, Gaga
I didnt realised that Zealot killed anyone IRL.
Thats almost it. Except the first part. The first bus was owned by Ecko Inc, and one of his drivers gave the keys to Zealot.
Everyone calm down and shut up for a while, unless you're going to further analyze the car analogy. Stop pretending your opinions matter, and read this thread. It is long, it is glorious, and above all it says that there is literally NO DOWNSIDE to this. NONE. Everything will be better in every way with a dedicated new and better box devoted to strat with chadz COMPLETELY in control 100% with NO risk to you at all, instead of having Eckos server box groan as it accepts the sweaty heft of stategus, followed by Ecko saddling up and a grabbing hold of the crop whip. The only one who stands to lose anything if this doesn't work out is Zealot, and he is generously accepting that risk to benefit us all greatly.
having Eckos server box groan as it accepts the sweaty heft of stategus
Thats almost it. Except the first part. The first bus was owned by Ecko Inc, and one of his drivers gave the keys to Zealot.
I didnt realised that Zealot killed anyone IRL.
Almost. One of Ecko's drivers left the keys on the dashboard while he went to use the restroom. A random passenger on the bus used his quik-key mold kit to make a duplicate set of keys and kept it for himself. Ecko's driver, having returned to the bus from the restroom, proceeded to drive on and everyone was happy.
A few months later, the random passenger boarded the bus again, and sat next to Zealot. They befriended each other and then the random passenger, grateful for having someone actually talk to and like him, gave Zealot the set of duplicate keys as a token of friendship.
Late at night, after the normal bus schedule, Zealot went to where the bus was parked, and using the set of duplicate keys he proceeded to take it for a joy ride.
Zealot was banned permanently. The random passenger was banned for a week. Ecko's oblivious driver had his bus keys taken away.
Here is a 17 min audio clip of Ecko and Gaga having it out in CHAOS Team Speak .. ahaha
http://www.filefactory.com/file/cc5801a/n/eckoVsgaga.wav
And the thread slows to a halt to download and listen to the clip.
Here is a 17 min audio clip of Ecko and Gaga having it out in CHAOS Team Speak .. ahaha
http://www.filefactory.com/file/cc5801a/n/eckoVsgaga.wav
Just listen to it all. You missed out some of the shit in the beginning and at the end, but it got the gist of Ecko yelling at me.
Just listen to it all. You missed out some of the shit in the beginning and at the end, but it got the gist of Ecko yelling at me.
So the rumor started in Hospitaller!
DUN Dun dun.... :lol:
But seriously guys, someone needs to make a c-RPG webcomic or sitcom based off of this drama we have every week!
Why? You can't write better stuff.
Just imagine this drama though with cartoons/comics to match along, visual help! Just rip the stuff wholesale but add "visual appeal" is what I am saying.
There was a fellow that was making EU drama comics back on the TW forums, no idea what happened to them here. :|
Dang, must hunt that fella down.
FUCK I voted for zealot instead. +1 to ecko. Wish I could switch votes...
He was 22nd...since the entire cRPG part of the TW forum was taken down I don't' remember his name.
The poll does not matter.
To the members of LLJK - Shut the fuck up, stop posting please god!
To the members of LLJK - Shut the fuck up, stop posting please god!
The poll doesn't matter? See and here I thought the community's opinion always mattered.
Derp?
If there's one external person that I'd first and foremost let the NA server run, it's Ecko. This is in no way an attempt to "overthrow" you or something.
But the NA community got weird lately. Lots of quarrels, lots of fighting, be it verbally or with actions. This is no good, not at all. So the offer to receive a totally neutral NA server was like the best thing that could happen. And I gladly accepted.
People claimed that we, the devs, didn't care for NA enough, and I think it was true. That's why we are looking forward to expanding our staff with NA admins and NA betatesters and whatnot.
Bottom line: it's better if strategus is run officially, than by a clan. Any clan.
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50 posts per page = only 5 pages :p
the problem isn't that its run by a clan. If any other clan ran it, I would be fine with that. Chaos, Blackrose, NA based GK, etc. etc. they're all good folks. The problem is with Zealot. He is quite literally the last person I would ever pick to own a strategus server. You claim that ATS is accused of abusing power nearly a year ago, well just a few weeks ago zealot did one of the biggest abuses of the admin control panel in the history of c-rpg, arguably in warband. The issue that this same goon is the one who will own the server and have access to the admin passwords and everything. That is what the uproar is about.
If you cannot see the reason for concern behind that, then you must have been dropped as a child.
Here is a 17 min audio clip of Ecko and Gaga having it out in CHAOS Team Speak .. ahaha
http://www.filefactory.com/file/cc5801a/n/eckoVsgaga.wav
I just wanted to say that I was there that day when the server got reset during our strat battle. I can assure you it was just an accident, solanar reset all the servers to add new maps or something he was doing. He was not in the channel with us on vent, and he did not realize that we were in a strat battle. After it happened ecko got a hold of solanar, informed him of what had happened, and solanar came up into our channel and was very apologetic. Also, someone wrote earlier that this took place when we were losing, that is incorrect, we were never at any risk of losing, not before or after the reset.
As for the servers issue, I would not mind seeing a 2nd box for strat, and the idea of having it be official is good also. However, Ecko is a lot easier to get a hold of than chadz if something needs to be done with it. Since ecko is on very often, and always in contact with other clan leaders in the NA community. Also, I don't trust zealot at all, due to his history.
As for the servers issue, I would not mind seeing a 2nd box for strat, and the idea of having it be official is good also. to be done with it. Since ecko is on very often, and always in contact with other clan leaders in the NA community. Also, I don't trust zealot at all, due to his history.
I believe at this point, this image needs to posted for all those that oppose Shik running a server paid by Zealot.
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To the members of LLJK - Shut the fuck up, stop posting please god!
Seventeen pages.
It was a good run.Yep, see you on the battlefield.
As additional info:
Head Admin will most likely be Shik, who has a good knowledge of the NA community and will handpick a set of admins that are capable of keeping the server what it is supposed to be: a neutral and fair playing ground.
Blondin, its not about ATS admins, the issue is that as Zealot and chadz have described it, the server would be owned by zealot, which is a horrid idea considering his history.
Why even risk the hassle of all that? Just have the server owned by someone else.
If zealots wants to donate, great! But he is the furthest thing from a neutral party to own the server, which is what people are criticizing echo of.
Why even risk the hassle of all that? Just have the server owned by someone else.
If zealots wants to donate, great! But he is the furthest thing from a neutral party to own the server, which is what people are criticizing echo of.
zealot is paying for the server, not moderating the server. I guess if he wants he could like shut it down wants but at any time chadz could totally cut it off and it would go to ecko anyway. ecko is actively involved in server moderation.
By your own logic, Ecko shouldn't own much less admin a Strategus server then. Not a neutral party is he?
I was there too. True ATS was going to win the siege but.... they had sustained very heavy casualties and lost a lot of gear prior to the reset. The reset may have been a mistake but some horrible abuses did happen that day.We did not mean to exploit that reset, its just that in vent someone said that the server was back up so we all came back in, and the other team consisting mostly of pubs trickled in more slowly. As for repressing it, we did that cause chadz was getting upset about the level of drama caused by the incident.
1st. ATS exploited the mistake: By the time the defenders of the NPC castle figured out what had happened and logged back in the defenders spawn was already being camped by ATS players. ATS never secured the spawn prior to the reset. This turned a costly victory into flawless one.
2nd Worst of all: ATS muzzled the communities response to this error. Anyone who brought it up on an ATS server(which at the time was the only NA cRPG server) was kicked, and posts in the forums in regards to this topic were removed.
When Ecko got there and found out that 1 person was messing around, he banned over 100 people, and held them hostage while he demanded to know where Zealot got the password. It turns out he didn't need to do that because Zealot took responsibility and gave Ecko the info he was looking for.It was the guy that made the copy of the key that came forward, not zealot.
I don't know if this has been said already or not, because I just came back, but isn't a bunch of clans paying for a server (and donations) kind of better than a single person (Zealot) paying it by himself?In most cases, yes. But getting people to cough up the dough every month is pretty hard. A lot of people like to say it should be run by donations, but they clam up when it's time to open the wallet.
In most cases, yes. But getting people to cough up the dough every month is pretty hard. A lot of people like to say it should be run by donations, but they clam up when it's time to open the wallet.
I think Zealot and chadz have said that donations will probably be accepted, but the server won't rely on them.
I don't think Zealot can pay for all the slots by himself, so tell me, who will?
Zealot and one other guy whose name I have forgotten will shoulder the entire burden, because they are just that nice.
I don't think Zealot can pay for all the slots by himself, so tell me, who will?And you're privy to Zealot's finances how?
Is this sarcasm? Wylker, by the way, nothing is for certain right now on that topic, we're still discussing it.
Anyway, once again: Shut the fuck up LLJK, just for good measure.
Not sarcasm... :/
Why even risk the hassle of all that? Just have the server owned by someone else.Why?
My concern is competence. I want people who deserve their responsibilities and can handle them.Unlike NA servers, Official servers actually have an application process of some sort. So your concerns about this can easily be put to rest. There is no better way to ensure competence than by first setting standards for your administrators.
Neutral Ownership
stopped reading right there. What on EARTH would make you think Zealot is neutral?
Something about Ecko being a clan leader and Zealot being... not a clan leader? I'd say that's a good place to start at. If Ecko had set up the same sort of server so that we could have an Official NA server that he paid for, I'd call that fairly neutral as well. The point, is that it's an official server and here we have a guy whose talking about paying for the entire thing by himself. I don't know about you, but most individuals don't spend $300+ a month on a mere videogame. This alone should give him some credibility.
stopped reading right there. What on EARTH would make you think Zealot is neutral?
I think hes referring to the fact that the admins will be crpg devs than the ownership of the box. I could be wrong though.Indeed. The fact that it is an Official C-RPG server means that there will be standards to hold the admins to. More importantly, administrators will be accountable for their actions. There's one thing that the NA admins have disgustingly never had to worry about.
Either way i have no issues with LLJK paying for a box for shik/chadz to admin on.
Something about Ecko being a clan leader and Zealot being... not a clan leader? I'd say that's a good place to start at. If Ecko had set up the same sort of server so that we could have an Official NA server that he paid for, I'd call that fairly neutral as well. The point, is that it's an official server and here we have a guy whose talking about paying for the entire thing by himself. I don't know about you, but most individuals don't spend $300+ a month on a mere videogame. This alone should give him some credibility.
Indeed. The fact that it is an Official C-RPG server means that there will be standards to hold the admins to. More importantly, administrators will be accountable for their actions. There's one thing that the NA admins have disgustingly never had to worry about.
Yet couldn't it be a big troll from Zealot saying he will pay for it? Who knows if he has that money?
Something about Ecko being a clan leader and Zealot being... not a clan leader? I'd say that's a good place to start at. If Ecko had set up the same sort of server so that we could have an Official NA server that he paid for, I'd call that fairly neutral as well. The point, is that it's an official server and here we have a guy whose talking about paying for the entire thing by himself. I don't know about you, but most individuals don't spend $300+ a month on a mere videogame. This alone should give him some credibility.
having money to burn is not an indication of a lack of bias/a lack to cause harm.
Yet couldn't it be a big troll from Zealot saying he will pay for it? Who knows if he has that money?
wouldn't put it past him
wouldn't put it past himYes, clearly Zealot's master plan is to go "HAHAHA I CAN'T AFFORD THE SERVER WHAT AN AUDACIOUS JOKE I HAVE PLAYED". This will be funny to him for some reason.
has he paid for a server before and then used it to troll? no? then shut up
Has he stolen admin password to troll and ban dozens of players? Yes. Yes he has.
Once a troll, always a troll.
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I disagree... to the bottom part!Miley, you prove the bottom part :rolleyes:
Has he stolen admin password to troll and ban dozens of players? Yes. Yes he has.
Once a troll, always a troll.
I'm flat out calling it right now: giving the only NA strategus server to Zealot is a terrible idea that will end badly.
Want to have a dev picked admin'd NA strategus server? Great. Don't give it to Zealot though. He is not trustworthy.
Miley, you prove the bottom part :rolleyes:
You literally have nothing to lose at all. Zero at risk. No one is asking you to empty your wallets into a strangers hands, or turn over your characters.
Honestly, Zealot can and is going to be fronting the bill, but I know for a fact and I and many other LLJK members have said they would willingly share the burden of cost. We like to troll, and have fun, but overall we aren't as deserving of a negative reputation as you would think. We enjoy the game a lot, and generous members are willing to go miles to do this for the community. Despite how much everyone struggles to twist our positive actions into sinister plots and bad intentions. LLJK are going to do a nice thing for all of you whether you like it or not.
Cheap shot, I've never had a problem with you, but LLJK deserves its reputation entirely. Hellowrold's hacking into peoples accounts? Zealot's stealing an admin password and banning everyone? I'm not even going to attempt to list the crap LLJK has done on other games.
Cheap shot, I've never had a problem with you, but LLJK deserves its reputation entirely. Hellowrold's hacking into peoples accounts? Zealot's stealing an admin password and banning everyone? I'm not even going to attempt to list the crap LLJK has done on other games.
zealot "stole" (aka heard) an admins password and proceeded to unleash a holocaust of a couple bans (reversed) and a server rename. sa does pull shit in other games but people take video games way too seriously
To the members of LLJK - Shut the fuck up, stop posting please god!
I'm not asking for any donations, not from LLJK, not from the community, not from anybody - let's not tread on this subject.
Cheap shot, I've never had a problem with you, but LLJK deserves its reputation entirely.
I'm not even going to attempt to list the crap LLJK has done on other games.
Zealot cannot pay for my server (the only one running cRPG in the whole world, btw), for he is a terrorist, as has been made evident by his past actions. Therefore, all of LLJK are terrorists, and should be subject to sweeping generalizations as to the content of their character whenever the topic comes up. Or is remotely hinted at, like if the letter "L" is aspied somewhere, doubtless up to trolling.
I'd continue being sarcastic and dicky, but many of the people in this thread have taken up the role of bundle of sticks (not the good kind, either), and would be unappreciative of my insightfull insight. I will, however, go to sleep tonight cuddling the comforting knowledge that this thread will be several pages longer when I wake up like a great, big, retarded teddy bear.
Cheap shot, I've never had a problem with you, but LLJK deserves its reputation entirely. Hellowrold's hacking into peoples accounts? Zealot's stealing an admin password and banning everyone? I'm not even going to attempt to list the crap LLJK has done on other games.Hellowrold A)Wasn't LLJK and B)Was immediately disowned by Goons because of just how stupid he was.
Let's make this easy:
- Zealot wanting to change his ways, giving something back to the community and offering to sponsor a server --> + 1
- Zealot not wanting control over the server and letting neutral devs pick the admins --> + 1
- Zealot still being mistrusted by the community and being the server OWNER who can, theoretically, mess around with our Strat fun --> - 1
- Zealot donating the money, letting somebody neutral BUY AND OWN the server and admin on it --> PROFIT
This way he can still give something to the community, improve his reputation and at the same time be completely out of doubt when something bad happens with the server.
Because let's face it: if Zealot owns the server, the most minor fuck-up will cost him his rep again.
Let's make this easy:
- Zealot donating the money, letting somebody neutral BUY AND OWN the server and admin on it --> PROFIT
Let's make this easy:
- Zealot wanting to change his ways, giving something back to the community and offering to sponsor a server --> + 1
- Zealot not wanting control over the server and letting neutral devs pick the admins --> + 1
- Zealot still being mistrusted by the community and being the server OWNER who can, theoretically, mess around with our Strat fun --> - 1
- Zealot donating the money, letting somebody neutral BUY AND OWN the server and admin on it --> PROFIT
This way he can still give something to the community, improve his reputation and at the same time be completely out of doubt when something bad happens with the server.
Because let's face it: if Zealot owns the server, the most minor fuck-up will cost him his rep again.
Honestly. If this random LLJK goon wants to spend his own money, on something that will benefit all of the NA community, while giving full control of the server over to a neutral dev-based team....What kind of idiot would say no to this?
I'm all for it. He wants to show good will, fine. He wants to repair his rep, fine. It benefits all of us, the players.
yup....
Take the deal ecko!
<Zealot__> I'm not donating money as it is, I'm donating a server. I'm on billing to handle bandwidth overtures, freak payments, and any other bills that come to me and are responsible to me.
Who pays 300$ a month to repair his reputation on a game he just started and knows nothing about?Zealot started three months ago, and has been actively playing since. He also already runs a CRPG server (LLJK_Duel). It's not like he's going into this blind.
Who pays 300$ a month to repair his reputation on a game he just started and knows nothing about?
Does it really matter how much/why/how he is paying? Just accept the gift and be thankful. Unless you want to play Strat on a shitty overtaxed server.
He can be trolling right? He could decide, "Hmm I don't feel like paying aymore." There goes our Strategus server.Then we switch back to the ATS servers. It's not like they are going anywhere. Besides, Ecko can be the savior of NA if that happens, receiving full "I was always right" brag-ability. :D I think he would like that.
So how much does it cost for a 200 slot server?
ManO you misunderstand: based on the current deal Zealot would be the OWNER of the server. This is what the community is... hesitant against.
My suggestion is for him to donate the money instead and not OWN the server himself. This would truly show goodwill.
It makes a lot more sense to have strategus servers be ran and controlled by c-rpg admins and not privately owned servers. Even Ecko should see that this is an improvement since Zealot won't have any control over the server.
But why leave it there with a reasonable argument when I can cause drama.
TOP 5 REASONS ATS SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY C-RPG SERVERS:
1. They reset the strategus server during their own battles when they start losing.
2. They hand out administration-ships for political gain.
3. They ban players during strategus battles for simply saying things they don't want to hear.
4. They had a policy of allowing hate-speech (and often use it) [I think I've been called a my old friend over 1000 times by ATS].
5. Did I mention they reset the server when they were losing a battle?
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Well, he is Fallen. I'm sure everyone on NA has called him a my old friend 10000 times.
It makes a lot more sense to have strategus servers be ran and controlled by c-rpg admins and not privately owned servers. Even Ecko should see that this is an improvement since Zealot won't have any control over the server.
But why leave it there with a reasonable argument when I can cause drama.
TOP 5 REASONS ATS SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY C-RPG SERVERS:
1. They reset the strategus server during their own battles when they start losing.
2. They hand out administration-ships for political gain.
3. They ban players during strategus battles for simply saying things they don't want to hear.
4. They had a policy of allowing hate-speech (and often use it) [I think I've been called a my old friend over 1000 times by ATS].
5. Did I mention they reset the server when they were losing a battle?
A Fallen Archer dumbass appears
That answers why you get called mean things by the other kids. Stop running away.
Bitch.
Stop meleeing in my Shooting.Touche
Bitch.
Touche
But why leave it there with a reasonable argument when I can cause drama.
Let me tell you a story:
Last October ATS finally decided to get up off their laurels and try to take a neutral castle with 8000 troops all in cherburg armor, winged helmets and becs. Against them were 4000 lightly armored AI equipped troops. Half an hour into the battle ATS was down to 4000 troops while the neutral castle still had 2500 troops. This was a huge embarrassment; throwing 4000 troops and millions of gold down the drain just for a simple neutral castle. Then, the server goes down, the players fighting for the neutral castle didn't know that Gorath (formerly ATS) had reset the strategus server. 20 minutes later neutral players start trickling back into the server only to find that ATS was now back to 8000 troops and had surrounded the spawns. Obviously people were absolutely livid that such a blatant abuse would take place. When people started calling them out for what they were, cheaters, the ATS admins started kicking and banning people from the server.
Let me tell you a story:
Last October ATS finally decided to get up off their laurels and try to take a neutral castle with 8000 troops all in cherburg armor, winged helmets and becs. Against them were 4000 lightly armored AI equipped troops. Half an hour into the battle ATS was down to 4000 troops while the neutral castle still had 2500 troops. This was a huge embarrassment; throwing 4000 troops and millions of gold down the drain just for a simple neutral castle. Then, the server goes down, the players fighting for the neutral castle didn't know that Gorath (formerly ATS) had reset the strategus server. 20 minutes later neutral players start trickling back into the server only to find that ATS was now back to 8000 troops and had surrounded the spawns. Obviously people were absolutely livid that such a blatant abuse would take place. When people started calling them out for what they were, cheaters, the ATS admins started kicking and banning people from the server.
Let me tell you a story:
Last October ATS finally decided to get up off their laurels and try to take a neutral castle with 8000 troops all in cherburg armor, winged helmets and becs. Against them were 4000 lightly armored AI equipped troops. Half an hour into the battle ATS was down to 4000 troops while the neutral castle still had 2500 troops. This was a huge embarrassment; throwing 4000 troops and millions of gold down the drain just for a simple neutral castle. Then, the server goes down, the players fighting for the neutral castle didn't know that Gorath (formerly ATS) had reset the strategus server. 20 minutes later neutral players start trickling back into the server only to find that ATS was now back to 8000 troops and had surrounded the spawns. Obviously people were absolutely livid that such a blatant abuse would take place. When people started calling them out for what they were, cheaters, the ATS admins started kicking and banning people from the server.
Hey Huey, just wanted to give my condolences to our dead class. RIP cav.
Yes please.^
What do we need 3 more NA servers for anyway? (Strat, Battle and Siege?) chadz, Ecko, can't we just make the ATS servers official instead? Most people already play there. Maybe make the Siege server into an unofficial ATS whatever (battle, siege or DTV, it can rotate) and the Battle and Strat become official?
chadz, my main worry if Zealot pays for the server is that he will then have access to the box. Not the admin password, but the actual server. I feel like he could have a field day messing with stuff in there. Some examples off the top of my head:
- Big LLJK Strat battle coming up. Its key that they win or they lose a city. An hour before the battle, Zealot calls the server host and has them disconnect it. Voila, LLJK doesn't lose its castle.
- Someone Zealot or a goon friend doesn't like is having a big battle... same thing
- Someone Zealot doesn't like gets mysteriously added to the ban list (editing server files.)
- The official servers are all renamed "C-RPG_Ecko_Is_Gay"
Honestly I'm not sure I trust him. Awesome if he wants to pay for the server, but unless he's sending you money via paypal and you or another dev is handling setting up everything and paying for the servers, I can't feel comfortable with this.
As for "what LLJK has done in other games", take a look at this:
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See that? 150,000 members. We're not the same people. We don't know what other games you're talking about. Yammering on about what "we" did in Darkfall or Rifts or WOW or whatever the fuck is the most retarded thing ever. We don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Haha Destiny, you would post useful information for me at 2:00 A.M. :twisted:
I can only think that he is genuinely helping out the NA community, or that he may have an elaborate plan...
Letting a goon have control over the "official" servers is like having einstein have host your bar mitzvah.
It's become clear that people like Gorath will never be satisfied.
I read up to page 13 thumbing down troll/ thoughtless comments then gave up...
Quote from Zealots post (which I couldn't find):(click to show/hide)
Anyways... It seems that Zealot not only gets Strat server, but ALL OF THE ATS NA servers? Or will the ATS servers still be run, with the exception of Strat? I don't think many problems will arise if he only handles Strat, but if he handles EVERY server... I am highly against this due to his past ideas.
This. Letting a goon have control over the "official" servers is like having einstein have host your bar mitzvah.
Let me tell you a story:Nice lies, go back and find my post where I answer this retarded claim (if you can find it in this e-drama filled thread). I'm getting sick of it tbh, and I wasn't even in ATS then (just joined recently cos my clan all left cRPG).
Last October ATS finally decided to get up off their laurels and try to take a neutral castle with 8000 troops all in cherburg armor, winged helmets and becs. Against them were 4000 lightly armored AI equipped troops. Half an hour into the battle ATS was down to 4000 troops while the neutral castle still had 2500 troops. This was a huge embarrassment; throwing 4000 troops and millions of gold down the drain just for a simple neutral castle. Then, the server goes down, the players fighting for the neutral castle didn't know that Gorath (formerly ATS) had reset the strategus server. 20 minutes later neutral players start trickling back into the server only to find that ATS was now back to 8000 troops and had surrounded the spawns. Obviously people were absolutely livid that such a blatant abuse would take place. When people started calling them out for what they were, cheaters, the ATS admins started kicking and banning people from the server.
There hasn't been a single game you guys have been in (goons) that you haven't exploited, hacked, cheated, griefed and trolled the shit out of.And again Gorath, the Something Awful community is over 150,000 people. We are not those same people. Period.
Zealot is also uninvolved mostly and is just buying and giving servers to chadzThis makes this:
It wont be a "Goon" server.false.
And yup, einstein comparisons. I try to find a proper comparison for a narcissistic and sociopathic person that went out of his way to harrass and treat other people like shit. You know, like the goon organization as a whole.So, would you say we're a community of Goraths? Cause that description is remarkably familiar.
And again Gorath, the Something Awful community is over 150,000 people. We are not those same people. Period.You PAID MONEY to join a community of bundle of stickss who try to grief, hack, troll, and abuse every game they play. That, my friend, makes you one of them. Guilty by association as it were, at the least. If you don't want to be associated with them, then leave the bloody organization, its not that hard. I'm getting tired of this lame defense of "oh I'm not a retarded douchebag even though I'm in a clan full of them, don't be mean to me." It won't fly, kid.
Also, for a guy throwing out einstein comparisons, you seem remarkably predisposed to judging and demeaning large groups of people due to their community of origin.
So, would you say we're a community of Goraths? Cause that description is remarkably familiar.Yup, cause I've gone out of my way to:
Goddammit, I want to join a hate group that sets fires to peoples property and otherwise harrasses and terrorizes the public at random so badly that I'm going to pay for the priviledge! But hey, don't hate me guys! I'm different! I'm a nice guy!" :rolleyes: *
There's thousands of gaming clans out there. So very many of them are multi-game clans as well. Yet you specifically joined the Goons for what reason exactly? So you could be part of a clan that upholds high moral standards and sportsmanship? A group that treats everyone well and with common courtesy and respect?Well for one, I didn't join SA to be in a gaming clan. I doubt any LLJK did. Doing so is frowned upon, and outright bannable in a lot of cases. SA isn't a "gaming clan", that's just one of the many many subcultures it's developed over the years.
Right, you joined a group that basically lives to metaphorically shit on everyone else on the planet and is famous for trying to do exactly that. Sorry, nothing about your defense makes any logical sense.
hahah because playing video games is like destroying pepole's property. you're good man.
I spend 100's of hours of my TIME working (EFFORT), 1000's of dollars of my MONEY to buy a car and then you vandalize it.
I spend 100's of hours of my TIME grinding/practicing (EFFORT), on a game I purchased to play a mod on a server I donated to (MONEY) and then you ruin it (griefing, trolling, exploiting, cheating, deleting characters, harrassing, etc).
I joined SA because I wanted to be part of community that consistently created some of the funniest material on the internet.You mean /4chan, SASS and those other gems? Yep... comedy gold. Oh, you mean all the insulting of everyone going on? Yeah, that's funny shit too. owait. Have you read the SA forums?
I wanted to join a group that donated body armour to dozens of under-equipped US troops stationed in IraqUSO, Soldier's Angels, Operation Gratitude, Operation Helmet, Vest for Life, etc and so on.
and raised so much money for Hurricane Katrina victims that it was flagged by PayPal as a possible front for money-laundering.Hurricane Katrina Relief, Red Cross, Network for Good, etc etc etc
And I especially wanted to participate in an internet forum that was heavily moderated and had rules against "LOL FIRST POST BUMPIN' DIS THREAD HAMSTER PANCAKE HAT LOL".You're joking right? SA forums are a cesspool of rampant insults and attacks on anyone and everyone that has ever been noticed in any way (gaming, forums, news). In fact the only people that ever show any sense of morality, resposibility or even just the slightest sense of "Hey, maybe we shouldn't be COMPLETE fuckwads to everyone all the time." get attacked and rage-hate-spewed on until they either leave or give up. Case in point that YLCA guy you guys all jumped on and harrangued for posting "Perhaps we shouldn't compete for biggest asshole on the internet ALL the time and we wouldn't be hated so much?"
The simplest way to end the controversy would be what I suggested earlier: Have a paypal account that goes to chadz, and HE pays for the server directly. Why limit financial input to one person, regardless of who they are? I would put up cash to help fund the new server if given a chance, and I'm sure others would too.
I disagree that nothing of value has been said; rather, it has been glossed over, dismissed, and generally ignored in the 20+ pages of back and forth bickering and spin.
I've said it twice before in this thread, and only one other person has acknowledged it, so I feel the need to post it again (quoting myself):
<Zealot__> I'm not donating money as it is, I'm donating a server. I'm on billing to handle bandwidth overtures, freak payments, and any other bills that come to me and are responsible to me.
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I guess this will be locked soon. It really surves no other purpose than flaming between two clans, which, ironically enough, is the reason for this thread in the first place.
Stop the flaming.
Or we could leave it open and just rename the thread "Mosh Pit." I like this thread because I am no longer seeing any of the He-said She-said stuff spill over into other threads like it has been this last month or two, as it looks like they are focusing all of their efforts into just dirtying this one thread (for the most part). Kinda leaves the rest of the forums nice and shiny.
Locking this thread will just make them go back to the rest of the forums and start leaving dirt everywhere and creating new threads as usual. :/
Though then again, maybe this is a job for the Intercontinental Moderator Team!
This thread give a crapy pattern of NA community.
Its disappointing this turned into an ATS vs LLJK fight....i singled out Zealot, not all of LLJK. But i should have guessed that rather then look at the facts, things gotta get blurred with everything else.
When is this going to get locked?
In the past he has used server bans to be an asshole, either because it was someone he didn't like, or they posted something on the forums. Because he owns nearly all the populated NA servers, his bans could end an NA players ability to play the mod. Quite a few of his bans had nothing to do with in game behavior, therefore such people would not be banned on official servers.
He could also be angry because he realizes that as soon as there are servers in NA with impartial and fair admins, nobody will go to ATS servers anymore.
are you dumb?
Its not run by lljk its run by shik which is in official dev team...
As i said false argument on lljk but the problem is stupid mind ats.
Where did you learn this?
are you dumb?
Its not run by lljk its run by shik which is in official dev team...
As i said false argument on lljk but the problem is stupid mind ats.
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What this means, is that he will have physical access to the machine that not only hosts our game, but also has all of our CD key and personal IP information on it. Even if he does not have "admin" on the server, he has direct access to the files. This means that he doesn't NEED admin to screw with the server, steal CD keys, or generally cause chaos.
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you don't think someone could put a data sniffer on a server hardware or could access files if they could access the physical copy of their hard drive? Because if so, please mail me your hard drive :lol:
Regardless if the server is in Zealot's house or not (which to my knowledge, it would not be) he would have access to the server itself. Even if he does not have admin on the c-rpg server files, there is significant room for abuse because he has ownership and administrative rights of the physical server hardware.
Regardless if the server is in Zealot's house or not (which to my knowledge, it would not be) he would have access to the server itself. Even if he does not have admin on the c-rpg server files, there is significant room for abuse because he has ownership and administrative rights of the physical server hardware.If we're going down this road what's to stop chadz, or ecko or anyone else from taking your ip address calling your isp, finding your home address and sending you anthrax in the mail. Just because it's something that could in some bizarro world happen, doesn't mean it's necessarily within the realm of possibility.
If we're going down this road what's to stop chadz, or ecko or anyone else from taking your ip address calling your isp, finding your home address and sending you anthrax in the mail. Just because it's something that could in some bizarro world happen, doesn't mean it's necessarily within the realm of possibility.
In short, I respectfully disagree.
Zealot just a few weeks ago hijacked a server to ban and troll everyone online.
Ecko has a long history of hosting a stable running server and has been more than fair to everyone who played by the rules.If by stable you mean bogged down with ridiculous lag, and fair to everyone you mean everyone who is a sycophant to him then I agree wholeheartedly.
Zealot just a few weeks ago hijacked a server to ban and troll everyone online. That lies the difference.Hijacked? All he did was a prank that took less than 5 minutes to reverse because ecko had an incompetent administration team that leaked the admin password.
Besides, ISPs don't release your home address unless a court warrant is involved :wink:I thought we were throwing out crazy instances that would never happen. ISPs aren't going to release your password, but there is no legal obligation for them not to. Maybe someone at the ISP makes a mistake and releases it to them. Either way, it's neither here nor there because none of the situations anyone is concerned about are going to happen.
If by stable you mean bogged down with ridiculous lag, and fair to everyone you mean everyone who is a sycophant to him then I agree wholeheartedly.Hijacked? All he did was a prank that took less than 5 minutes to reverse because ecko had an incompetent administration team that leaked the admin password.I thought we were throwing out crazy instances that would never happen. ISPs aren't going to release your password, but there is no legal obligation for them not to. Maybe someone at the ISP makes a mistake and releases it to them. Either way, it's neither here nor there because none of the situations anyone is concerned about are going to happen.
I have a suggestion, why not Ecko set the server up and chadz/Dev team have full control over it.
Because if you cannot agree to that, this is purely a power struggle.
Its been suggested many times. chadz/LLJK oppose it vehemently for some reason.
Really? chadz/LLJK?
It won't be accessed by him. Nearly every person who says that "everyone doesn't like this idea" is in ATS. The fact is that ALOT of people like this idea because ALOT of people are sick and tired of Ecko and his incompetence. Please just make the new servers.
nearly 200 people have voted against Zealot owning the server. ATS doesn't have nearly those numbers. Maybe someone doesn't like Ecko for whatever their reasons might be. This isn't about Ecko. This is about having a well known troll own the only NA strategus server. 99% of the people would not mind the change if a dev-picked admin team official NA strategus server was owned by someone other than Zealot.You're kidding right? You are going to use that poll? That poll is completely biased and immature. A perfect example of why Ecko should have absolutely nothing to do with server ownership and management. That poll is not there to get the actual feelings of the community. That poll is there to give the answer that Ecko wants. The fact that you referred back to it is kind of pathetic in itself.
TL;DR most people simply want a more reputable person to own the server. Its not an unreasonable request.
Zealot lives in Canada. The server is in Texas*.
*Nevermind, from reading zealot's post it is under consideration at this point.
TL;DR most people simply want a more reputable person to own the server. Its not an unreasonable request.
Ats and others are pathetics trying to defend their interest....I hope this is a troll post, otherwise, I'll lol and facepalm.
How will you win a strat battle now if you can´t ban from server your enemy...? Lol
You are pathecics you come with argument against lljk but lljk is not the problem, you are the problem and you made to much biased bs.
This is only justice for na community.