NA Strategus Server Poll

[LLJK]

  Goddammit, I want to join a hate group that sets fires to peoples property and otherwise harrasses and terrorizes the public at random so badly that I'm going to pay for the priviledge!  But hey, don't hate me guys!  I'm different!  I'm a nice guy!"     *

hahah because playing video games is like destroying pepole's property. you're good man.

[Duster]

this thread is dildos

[Slantedfloors]

There's thousands of gaming clans out there.  So very many of them are multi-game clans as well.  Yet you specifically joined the Goons for what reason exactly?  So you could be part of a clan that upholds high moral standards and sportsmanship?  A group that treats everyone well and with common courtesy and respect? 

Right, you joined a group that basically lives to metaphorically shit on everyone else on the planet and is famous for trying to do exactly that.  Sorry, nothing about your defense makes any logical sense.

Well for one, I didn't join SA to be in a gaming clan. I doubt any LLJK did. Doing so is frowned upon, and outright bannable in a lot of cases. SA isn't a "gaming clan", that's just one of the many many subcultures it's developed over the years.

I joined SA because I wanted to be part of community that consistently created some of the funniest material on the internet. I wanted to join a group that donated body armour to dozens of under-equipped US troops stationed in Iraq, and raised so much money for Hurricane Katrina victims that it was flagged by PayPal as a possible front for money-laundering. And I especially wanted to participate in an internet forum that was heavily moderated and had rules against "LOL FIRST POST BUMPIN' DIS THREAD HAMSTER PANCAKE HAT LOL".

All I've been trying to do in this thread is be reasonable and allay some of the fears people had. You guys can keep posting about how we're KKK bundle of sticks chocolate chip cookies who want to burn down the Lincoln Memorial or whatever, but I'm done trying to talk to brick walls.

[LLJK]

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[Gorath]

hahah because playing video games is like destroying pepole's property. you're good man.

Actually it is.

Property is a product of peoples:
time
money
effort

Or some combination thereof.  A person's progress in these video games that you destroy is the product of said person's:
time
money (sometimes continuously if there's monthly fees)
effort

So in the end, when you get down to it, the principle of the matter is the same.

I spend 100's of hours of my TIME working (EFFORT), 1000's of dollars of my MONEY to buy a car and then you vandalize it.
I spend 100's of hours of my TIME grinding/practicing (EFFORT), on a game I purchased to play a mod on a server I donated to (MONEY) and then you ruin it (griefing, trolling, exploiting, cheating, deleting characters, harrassing, etc).

In the end the moral principle behind both are exactly the same.  Your argument is the same as saying that stealing candy from children is ok because it's not stealing money from a bank.  Stealing is stealing is stealing.

[LLJK]

haha man i love you

[Gildiss]

I spend 100's of hours of my TIME working (EFFORT), 1000's of dollars of my MONEY to buy a car and then you vandalize it.
I spend 100's of hours of my TIME grinding/practicing (EFFORT), on a game I purchased to play a mod on a server I donated to (MONEY) and then you ruin it (griefing, trolling, exploiting, cheating, deleting characters, harrassing, etc).

I didn't think we could pull it off but you did it, another car analogy.
Blast fax kudos all around.

[Gorath]

I joined SA because I wanted to be part of community that consistently created some of the funniest material on the internet.

You mean /4chan, SASS and those other gems?  Yep... comedy gold.  Oh, you mean all the insulting of everyone going on?  Yeah, that's funny shit too.  owait.  Have you read the SA forums?

I wanted to join a group that donated body armour to dozens of under-equipped US troops stationed in Iraq

USO, Soldier's Angels, Operation Gratitude, Operation Helmet, Vest for Life, etc and so on.

and raised so much money for Hurricane Katrina victims that it was flagged by PayPal as a possible front for money-laundering.

Hurricane Katrina Relief, Red Cross, Network for Good, etc etc etc

And I especially wanted to participate in an internet forum that was heavily moderated and had rules against "LOL FIRST POST BUMPIN' DIS THREAD HAMSTER PANCAKE HAT LOL".

You're joking right?  SA forums are a cesspool of rampant insults and attacks on anyone and everyone that has ever been noticed in any way (gaming, forums, news).  In fact the only people that ever show any sense of morality, resposibility or even just the slightest sense of "Hey, maybe we shouldn't be COMPLETE fuckwads to everyone all the time." get attacked and rage-hate-spewed on until they either leave or give up.  Case in point that YLCA guy you guys all jumped on and harrangued for posting "Perhaps we shouldn't compete for biggest asshole on the internet ALL the time and we wouldn't be hated so much?"

NO!  RABBLE RABBLE, VILE, VOMIT, RAGE, FOAM, SPEW, ATTTTTAAAAACK!

It's sad.

[chadz]

I guess this will be locked soon. It really surves no other purpose than flaming between two clans, which, ironically enough, is the reason for this thread in the first place.

Stop the flaming.

[Varric]

Way to prove a point gais.

Everything that could have or needed to be said were already done on the first page, these extra 23 pages are just reposts and spam.

[rustyspoon]

Just wanted to throw in before this gets locked...

I don't really have a problem with LLJK. Generally when they are being retarded, they are just doing it to each other on their own server. Most of the guys don't do anything wrong. I play on the LLJK server a lot and have never had a problem with anyone there.

Do I trust Zealot? No, because of what he did in the past. However, I think he deserves a chance anyway. Growing the community in any way is a good thing and I think having official servers would help with that. Also, Zealot would have to be a special kind of retard to pull anything at this point and I don't think he's that stupid. So hey, maybe he has seen the error of his ways and he's trying to do something good for a group he REALLY pissed off. Give him a chance.

You guys also need to stop raging at Ecko. He does what he does because he truly cares about the community. It's not because he wants to be supreme overlord of anything. He just wants to see the community grow. If he sees something that he thinks will hurt the community, he says something. And believe you me, even though we're in the same clan, we get a lot of shit from Ecko if we do something stupid. He's a good guy, so lay off.

No matter what anyone thinks though, this plan is moving forward. So how about we all relax and just see what happens?

[Alex_C]

Last I heard, NA players weren't going to be allowed to participate in Strategus at all.

[hotcobbler]

I disagree that nothing of value has been said; rather, it has been glossed over, dismissed, and generally ignored in the 20+ pages of back and forth bickering and spin.

I've said it twice before in this thread, and only one other person has acknowledged it, so I feel the need to post it again (quoting myself):

The simplest way to end the controversy would be what I suggested earlier: Have a paypal account that goes to chadz, and HE pays for the server directly. Why limit financial input to one person, regardless of who they are? I would put up cash to help fund the new server if given a chance, and I'm sure others would too.

[Classical]

I disagree that nothing of value has been said; rather, it has been glossed over, dismissed, and generally ignored in the 20+ pages of back and forth bickering and spin.

I've said it twice before in this thread, and only one other person has acknowledged it, so I feel the need to post it again (quoting myself):

<Zealot__> I'm not donating money as it is, I'm donating a server. I'm on billing to handle bandwidth overtures, freak payments, and any other bills that come to me and are responsible to me.

The reason why this thread is trash, is because it's turned into two clans flaming each other and bickering, sometimes not even arguing about the merits of me giving my money to a server provider. Whatever logical point you tried to convey, the thread turned into a flame war between ATS and co. and LLJK.

[Delro]

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