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Title: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on January 13, 2014, 06:06:19 pm
Such as having certain weapons show up bright pink?  like so:

(click to show/hide)

Or making it so bushes and hay stacks lay flat on the ground (don't have an image for it).  It seems like it would also theoretically be possible to change other textures in the game, such as making things be more transparent (not sure if that's possible or not, but if you can edit other textures, why not the transparency?)

Would be nice if WSE checked certain textures you were using when you started the game, and didn't let you connect to servers if you had altered certain texture files. 

I personally consider it to be a form of cheating.  It would certainly make my life a lot easier if bushes or haystacks were flat on the ground, and people that thought they were hiding in them were clearly visible to me.  It would also make my life as cavalry a lot easier if every polearm that could rear horses was colored in as a neon bright pink texture.

***EDIT*** Got I got my answer:

Fun fact: there is already a system in place and working for a few months now that punishes client side modifications. Its effect is as hard to notice as are the advantages you gain when using such mods.

No, we will not discuss this system, and you will never hear anything else about it.

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Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Hecur on January 13, 2014, 06:12:34 pm
Insta perma ban!
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: HardRice on January 13, 2014, 06:13:34 pm
As it stands now, it's technically not cheating.

And if you were to do the checking of the textures, all texture mods would be reset.

Plus you can just not use WSE.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Grumbs on January 13, 2014, 06:14:33 pm
Anything you edit with the intention of gaining an advantage is cheating, yup. Don't think its against the rules though, and I remember a thread were chmpx had like the opposite view I thought they would have about it
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Kafein on January 13, 2014, 06:18:01 pm
Anything you edit with the intention of gaining an advantage is cheating, yup.

What
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: HardRice on January 13, 2014, 06:19:30 pm
What
Anything you edit with the intention of gaining an advantage is cheating, yup.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: pingpong on January 13, 2014, 06:24:21 pm
Getting rid of  bushes or making them more transparent should definetely count as cheating, i have been shot so many times while in perfect cover behind many bushes, atleast thats what i see on my screen. :?


pls tell us who this douchebag is so we can all call him names and hurt his feels
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: GRANDMOM on January 13, 2014, 06:30:05 pm
Who is he? Pro HINT #check a new ban thread :)
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on January 13, 2014, 06:30:19 pm
Getting rid of  bushes or making them more transparent should definetely count as cheating, i have been shot so many times while in perfect cover behind many bushes, atleast thats what i see on my screen. :?


pls tell us who this douchebag is so we can all call him names and hurt his feels

I know there's a decent amount of players who edit textures of weapons and projectiles to make them easier to see, it's not just one person.  That's borderline "cheating" in my opinion.  I think of the people who do that (edit colors of weapons/projectiles), there's very few who actually edit bushes and haystacks to be flat on the ground.  I like to think most people don't outright "cheat" (which editing of haystacks/bushes definitely are). 

I'm not suggesting the person who took the screenshot edits bushes/haystacks so they are flat on the ground.  I would give anyone the benefit of the doubt that they don't do that.

That being said, I wanted to bring this up to see what people think, and to see if dev's would be willing to prevent people from doing either editing of weapons/items, or editing of map objects (such as bushes and haystacks). 

They could certainly have an accepted list of texture changes, so people could still use things like the heirloom mods.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Nessaj on January 13, 2014, 06:32:08 pm
Sure, but personally I'd be more interested in being able to block Macros.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Oberyn on January 13, 2014, 06:46:09 pm
Def cheating from my perspective. Although I'd consider even lowering graphics to the level of scary mod to be a form of exploiting game engine as well, if you don't actually need it to run the game. With such simplified almost symbolic graphics it is a lot easier to pick out movement. If you were to use a mod that removes all colour for example, leaving everything shades of grey, black and white it would be a buff to your perception of movement by eliminating a lot of distractions.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on January 13, 2014, 06:51:35 pm
My god man, I can imagine it would be a huge advantage if my screen looked like this for ranged, and had a neon orange or green color for any polearm that could rear my horse.  I'd be a hell of a lot better than I am now on my lancer cav:

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: HardRice on January 13, 2014, 06:52:43 pm
It's hard to draw a concrete line on what is cheating and what isn't.

Would editing a sword texture to a darker shade of grey to make it more aesthetically pleasing be ban worthy?

What about people who changed the bolt's model back to the older, more easily traceable one?

And weapons in the heirloom pack that are more easily seen than others?

They'd all be in the same boat, if what you suggest was put in.

Getting rid of  bushes or making them more transparent should definetely count as cheating, i have been shot so many times while in perfect cover behind many bushes, atleast thats what i see on my screen. :?
As a ranged player, it's quite easy to see someone through a bush if they move. And depending on your graphics options, they might look different to other people.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on January 13, 2014, 07:05:15 pm
It's hard to draw a concrete line on what is cheating and what isn't.

Would editing a sword texture to a darker shade of grey to make it more aesthetically pleasing be ban worthy?

What about people who changed the bolt's model back to the older, more easily traceable one?

And weapons in the heirloom pack that are more easily seen than others?

They'd all be in the same boat, if what you suggest was put in.
As a ranged player, it's quite easy to see someone through a bush if they move. And depending on your graphics options, they might look different to other people.

I think there should be a list of approved modifications to textures (such as texture packs like the heirloom textures modifications).  It would be awesome if you could only change your textures to approved textures, not just whatever neon bright colored object you want.  Maybe I'm 4 years too late in this suggestion though, since people have been able to do this since forever.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Wingthor on January 13, 2014, 07:17:24 pm
Any modification of the client is cheating. End of discussion. There is no other option to ensure a fair competitive gameplay...

changing textures to make weapons more "noticecable" is hilarious.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: PsychoTwins on January 13, 2014, 07:17:50 pm
The main problem is all of the textures are client-side, so that means either the Devs dont care what you do with those files or it would be a pain for them to have on server-side.

Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Jack1 on January 13, 2014, 07:19:12 pm
Only the weak have to edit(cheat) the game like that.

The main problem is all of the textures are client-side, so that means either the Devs dont care what you do with those files or it would be a pain for them to have on server-side.



Or the problem is that people edit the files.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: PsychoTwins on January 13, 2014, 07:21:18 pm
Only the weak have to edit(cheat) the game like that.

Or the problem is that people edit the files.

I guess but if they don't want people to edit the files they wouldn't have them clientside and would say "Dont edit files" in rules

but that is what this thread is about, if that rule should be in
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Jack1 on January 13, 2014, 07:24:45 pm
I guess but if they don't want people to edit the files they wouldn't have them clientside and would say "Dont edit files" in rules

If that was the case we couldn't have awsome luxuries such as the heirloom pack. People just choose to take advantage of that and make problems occur.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Boerenlater on January 13, 2014, 07:32:30 pm
I have fog turned off. Not because it's easier to shoot people but because the fog is just really annoying.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Smithy on January 13, 2014, 07:34:25 pm
I must say, Bob (PsychoTwins) you lost some respect points for the pink projectiles. ("Flying Dildos")
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: PsychoTwins on January 13, 2014, 07:36:44 pm
I must say, Bob (PsychoTwins) you lost some respect points for the pink projectiles. ("Flying Dildos")

You of all people know how easily I die to ranged Smithy, but don't fret my pink arrows are nothing compared to what some of the archers I know have done to their files

Edit: Thought i'd share some of whats really out there. They use : No fog, Pink arrows, Tracers, Mil-Dots(like snipers so they can see arrow drop), semi-transparent buildings(so they can see the building and not run into it yet still see through it), larger arrows, Highlighted heads of enemies, sound effects for when they hit an enemy. Those are all I know of so far.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Macropus on January 13, 2014, 07:37:45 pm
Sure, but personally I'd be more interested in being able to block Macros.
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Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Smithy on January 13, 2014, 07:43:44 pm
You of all people know how easily I die to ranged Smithy, but don't fret my pink arrows are nothing compared to what some of the archers I know have done to their files

My horse on my cavalry alt gets 1 hit by stabby poles all the time.  I didn't modify pikes to be orange dildos.  Its not the reason you did / do it, its not the rationality, its the Principle. Its scummy, its poor sportsmanship.

I know there are other people that do it.  I would treat them the same way, well, probably worse because I actually like you as a player / bro.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: PsychoTwins on January 13, 2014, 07:46:09 pm
My horse on my cavalry alt gets 1 hit by stabby poles all the time.  I didn't modify pikes to be orange dildos.  Its not the reason you did / do it, its not the rationality, its the Principle. Its scummy, its poor sportsmanship.

I know there are other people that do it.  I would treat them the same way, well, probably worse because I actually like you as a player / bro.

Well sorry but you should realize it really doesnt help me much as far as dodging, the only real advantage i use with it is seeing which direction the archers are goin at the beginning of the round, also added in my earlier post of what is out there if you wanna see.

I could remove them and see the ranged just as well, its a matter of me being lazy.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Jack1 on January 13, 2014, 07:47:52 pm
It also destroys somebody's ability to hide in a bush with a crossbow and not be seen.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Carthan on January 13, 2014, 07:49:08 pm
Honestly things like this can be upsetting to most people. I mean bright pink weapons? seriously?
If I could say one thing about that it would be that
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Smithy on January 13, 2014, 07:56:25 pm
Well sorry but you should realize it really doesnt help me much as far as dodging, the only real advantage i use with it is seeing which direction the archers are goin at the beginning of the round, also added in my earlier post of what is out there if you wanna see.

I feel you're missing the point.. Its not how you use it, its not why you use it, its not whether or not its effective, its the fact that you do use this "exploit".  Its the Principle of the matter.  Though I feel our debate is a bit off topic.

On Topic:  I don't think modifying textures should be outlawed.  It would utterly ruin spectacular things such as Final Boss' "Loom Pack".  Not to mention it would throw away all the time he and other people have put into similar projects.  With that being said, I do believe that if someone is found guilty of this "exploit" the community should burn them at the stake and / or they should receive a bit of a ban.  Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on January 13, 2014, 08:03:34 pm
That's some sad shit...

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Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Teeth on January 13, 2014, 08:20:26 pm
It would help me out loads if I coloured every long polearm bright pink when playing cav, the amount of times I don't spot a risky weapon or mistake it for something shorter, damn. You texture editing people are try-hard cheating dickwads.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Adamar on January 13, 2014, 08:23:16 pm
I thought the devs had some way to track this kind of stuff. The game is a lie.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Torost on January 13, 2014, 08:29:38 pm
I always figured the crossbowmen sticking their crossbows into buildings to see thru them as cheating ...

Prob someone has tried to make all proptextures 50% transparent by now.

Giving complete vision of everyone on the map.


Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: sF_Guardian on January 13, 2014, 08:35:58 pm
If you need editing for being able to play due to potato-pc (scary mod etc) its okay for me.
If you do that shit and ruin the looks of the game for gettin an advantage, you should eat your own d*** and die.
No mercy for cheaters, mercy for ppl with a bad pc.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: AntiBlitz on January 13, 2014, 08:37:57 pm
http://forum.melee.org/suggestions-corner/cheating-textures/

This was already talked about, and the developers statement is in the 7 pages of chat, you can find it yourselves.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: PsychoTwins on January 13, 2014, 08:45:40 pm
http://forum.melee.org/suggestions-corner/cheating-textures/

This was already talked about, and the developers statement is in the 7 pages of chat, you can find it yourselves.

And here is chadz' opinion from that thread(for those who dont wanna read it all)
 
I can't believe people are raging over the fact that tinkering with your models and textures client side should be restricted or overseen.

Now here is a suggestion. Some servers have the restriction on, some have it off, and you can decide where you want to play. And if you really want to play with your unicorn on the restricted servers, you put it into the review process.

Some people really find something rageworthy in every little thing...

yes
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: sF_Guardian on January 13, 2014, 08:47:28 pm
There will be validation in the future. Mods will need to be whitelisted by us or you won't be able to connect to official servers.

I guess with future he meant December 2010.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Templar_Steevee on January 13, 2014, 08:52:55 pm
So it's look like i'm cheating since about one year bacause I'm using hierloom pack??? :P
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on January 13, 2014, 08:59:59 pm
So it's look like i'm cheating since about one year bacause I'm using hierloom pack??? :P

There would be an easy way to have allowed textures in the game that are not default, and still not have people using neon pink textures for some weapons/projectiles, and still not let people use bushes/haystacks that are flat on the ground, or have them use transparent walls, or have them essentially turn off fog.  Just wish chadz and cmp implemented their suggestion (where you have to use approved textures, or play on servers that are unrestricted for textures):

I can't believe people are raging over the fact that tinkering with your models and textures client side should be restricted or overseen.

Now here is a suggestion. Some servers have the restriction on, some have it off, and you can decide where you want to play. And if you really want to play with your unicorn on the restricted servers, you put it into the review process.

Some people really find something rageworthy in every little thing...

yes

There will be validation in the future. Mods will need to be whitelisted by us or you won't be able to connect to official servers.

Wish they followed through on this
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Smithy on January 13, 2014, 09:03:38 pm
So it's look like i'm cheating since about one year bacause I'm using hierloom pack??? :P

You didn't read the thread.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Templar_Steevee on January 13, 2014, 09:07:33 pm
You didn't read the thread.  :rolleyes:

nor really, bu there were topics like this one already, and there is no sensce to read it all, i know  that problem, + and - of using other textures than default, that's why I voted for potato :D
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Smithy on January 13, 2014, 09:10:28 pm
nor really, bu there were topics like this one already, and there is no sensce to read it all, i know  that problem, + and - of using other textures than default, that's why I voted for potato :D

If you didn't read it then you don't truly know what its about, or the opinions involved.  In fact you've got it literally entirely backwards.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Templar_Steevee on January 13, 2014, 09:25:22 pm
I can say what's inside this thread.
There is a group of ppl changing textures into bright colors (mostly purple) to see better wepons and projectiles to get advantage of that.
Some ppl are more clever and changing models of bushes and hay stacks to become more flat, other ones are playing probably with transparency of some textures to see what is behing some covers.
Some ppl are changing textures to be able to run and play c-rpg on some kind of "wooden pc" (no offence here, i've got problem withh fps and others before i change my pc, i know it hurts)
There is also a group of ppl changing textures to their own to have a badass look of equipment or change a brightness or colors of some parts of their stuff to let it fit better to other parts of equipment. I'm in this group, because i love how longbow and bodkins looks on +3 with hierloom pack.

Some ppl are raging at it, some ppl are saying it's good, but under some conditions. IMO truth is somewhere in a middle :)
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on January 13, 2014, 09:35:57 pm
truth is somewhere in a middle :)

That's what most common sense would tell you, and that's what I'm saying as well.  There is certainly a big difference between having transparent walls, bushes that lay flat on the ground, and having pink projectiles.  They are not all equally as bad as each other.  And then there are things like Final Boss' loom pack, which are not "bad" at all in a cheating sense, they are very cool and people really enjoy using them. 

There's certainly a middle ground here, and I think that is what chadz and cmp said (read my quote of them from March 2013).  The answer would be to have an approved list of texture modifications, if you want to mod a texture, you'd have to get it submitted and approved before you can connect to a game server.  Seems like a no-brainer solution to me.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Smithy on January 13, 2014, 09:39:58 pm
@Steve: Ok good, that's the thread in a nutshell.  :)  I also agree with you.  As I stated on the previous page, modifying textures for good is cool, modifying them for evil is not.

No one said the Loom Pack is evil.  :)

@Huseby:  It would have been nice if the developers implemented a system like that, but it would take a bit of work.  I imagine they will have something similar in M:BG.  Especially considering the game and the Donkey Crew will be under quite a bit of public scrutiny, if its so easy to "wallhack".  RIP APB.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: zagibu on January 13, 2014, 10:06:13 pm
Fun fact: there is already a system in place and working for a few months now that punishes client side modifications. Its effect is as hard to notice as are the advantages you gain when using such mods.

No, we will not discuss this system, and you will never hear anything else about it.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Smithy on January 13, 2014, 10:10:17 pm
Fun fact: there is already a system in place and working for a few months now that punishes client side modifications. Its effect is as hard to notice as are the advantages you gain when using such mods.

No, we will not discuss this system, and you will never hear anything else about it.

You're an amazing man, Zagibu.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Bronto on January 13, 2014, 11:02:32 pm
No im not ranged so I dont need those invisible. I have the textures cuz its the only counter to range i can use


This is why it's bad and why I originally posted in that ban thread yesterday before the "melee gaming team" deleted that shit. I think it's a terrible choice, you know it gives you more of an advantage than just "seeing which way ranged goes from spawn". I say, it's a scumbag move and you sir are a scumbag. The end.

Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: pingpong on January 13, 2014, 11:21:00 pm
Fun fact: there is already a system in place and working for a few months now that punishes client side modifications. Its effect is as hard to notice as are the advantages you gain when using such mods.

No, we will not discuss this system, and you will never hear anything else about it.
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Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Kafein on January 13, 2014, 11:22:34 pm
Fun fact: there is already a system in place and working for a few months now that punishes client side modifications. Its effect is as hard to notice as are the advantages you gain when using such mods.

No, we will not discuss this system, and you will never hear anything else about it.

I have a comment, but I don't think it would be a good idea to state it
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: NejStark on January 13, 2014, 11:26:06 pm
If you can only do well by having enemies carry bright pink fucking bows then you would have been a shit hard as fuck medieval warrior hero.

 
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Rumblood on January 13, 2014, 11:31:17 pm
You of all people know how easily I die to ranged Smithy, but don't fret my pink arrows are nothing compared to what some of the archers I know have done to their files

Edit: Thought i'd share some of whats really out there. They use : No fog, Pink arrows, Tracers, Mil-Dots(like snipers so they can see arrow drop), semi-transparent buildings(so they can see the building and not run into it yet still see through it), larger arrows, Highlighted heads of enemies, sound effects for when they hit an enemy. Those are all I know of so far.

That pisses me off. No wonder archery gets nerfed so much and yet these nerds get on and brag about how they can get 20 kills every round no problem. Lameass cheating fucks. Whatever happened to perma-bans?
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on January 13, 2014, 11:32:13 pm
Fun fact: there is already a system in place and working for a few months now that punishes client side modifications. Its effect is as hard to notice as are the advantages you gain when using such mods.

No, we will not discuss this system, and you will never hear anything else about it.

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I have a comment, but I don't think it would be a good idea to state it

I suppose people wouldn't be calling for ranged nerfs as much either if some ranged players weren't sketchy cheating fucks.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Templar_Steevee on January 13, 2014, 11:32:31 pm
It's an advantage to see pink bows, but is it not gay a bit?

IMO pink projectiles still hurts XD
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Adamar on January 13, 2014, 11:36:26 pm
I think its meant to make archers look gay.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: San on January 13, 2014, 11:39:06 pm
I'm split on the issue when it comes to problems presented by the game's engine. For instance, things were made much easier for me when the devs introduced the FoV option. Don't know why projectiles (and pretty much everything) have to be so difficult to see a certain distance away. I tried throwing for a bit recently and it was quite difficult to see my weapons mid-flight and after landing (playing on somewhat low settings).

Making textures transparent and tools to improve your performance = lol. Can't have situations like chasing a thrower near the melee, following him around a siege shield only to get ninja'd by a wild Riran estoc stab coming out of a bush to the side (10athletics full speed into that = 1shot).
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Nightmare798 on January 13, 2014, 11:50:16 pm
Getting rid of  bushes or making them more transparent should definetely count as cheating, i have been shot so many times while in perfect cover behind many bushes, atleast thats what i see on my screen. :?


pls tell us who this douchebag is so we can all call him names and hurt his feels

Funny how are people capable of being so low as to make their game look shit only to gain an advantage...
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Rain on January 13, 2014, 11:53:27 pm
Definitely crafty, but definitely scumbag.  I feel like this falls under the category of exploitation.

Glitching is allowed, being an asshat isn't
OK: hiding (e.g. in the hay)
NOT OK: hiding when last man standing (i.e. delaying)
NOT OK: using a siege shield to reach a roof that can't be reached normally
NOT OK: camping unreachable places
NOT OK: exploiting invisible barriers
NOT OK: going out of map bounds (if you can see unfinished parts of the map, then you should not be there)
NOT OK: ladderpulting

Taken straight from the rules

Just seems like a grey area solved by a quick change of the rules.  If you are caught then there will be necessary repercussions.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Grumbs on January 13, 2014, 11:55:39 pm
I have a comment, but I don't think it would be a good idea to state it

The gist being that you know it doesn't work and people can cheat?
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Johammeth on January 13, 2014, 11:56:26 pm
Worse in principle than in effect.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: pingpong on January 14, 2014, 12:03:32 am
You of all people know how easily I die to ranged Smithy, but don't fret my pink arrows are nothing compared to what some of the archers I know have done to their files

Edit: Thought i'd share some of whats really out there. They use : No fog, Pink arrows, Tracers, Mil-Dots(like snipers so they can see arrow drop), semi-transparent buildings(so they can see the building and not run into it yet still see through it), larger arrows, Highlighted heads of enemies, sound effects for when they hit an enemy. Those are all I know of so far.
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Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Jeade on January 14, 2014, 12:30:54 am
Just seems like a grey area solved by a quick change of the rules.  If you are caught then there will be necessary repercussions.

I'd agree. However, if the rules were changed, it wouldn't solve this scenario as the screenshots (the evidence) was taken before the rule change.

Maybe it's just because I've played as an archer for my whole cRPG existence, but I see this as cheating, or at least deep, deep into the grey area.
Adding tracers to arrows and bolts? I'd say that's crossing the line if it hadn't already.

Also have tracers on arrows and bolts
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: sF_Guardian on January 14, 2014, 12:33:45 am
Funny how you can loose all the respect for one guy (FarmerBob) in one thread.
Do you really ruin your whole game experience by using some badly made ugly pink textures just to have an advantage over other players?
Don't you feel like you're able to compete with even chances?
I just want to shout out a big FUCK YOU, im sorry but I can't say it in any different way.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: kinngrimm on January 14, 2014, 01:39:08 am
You of all people know how easily I die to ranged Smithy, but don't fret my pink arrows are nothing compared to what some of the archers I know have done to their files

Edit: Thought i'd share some of whats really out there. They use :
No fog,
3 month ban
Pink arrows,
3 month ban
Tracers,
perma ban
Mil-Dots(like snipers so they can see arrow drop),
perma ban
semi-transparent buildings(so they can see the building and not run into it yet still see through it),
perma ban
larger arrows,
who gieves a fuck
Highlighted heads of enemies,
3 month ban
sound effects for when they hit an enemy.
3 month ban
Those are all I know of so far.
People who use more then one of those, permaban, this shouldnt even be a debate.
Whoever tries to rectify this, your moral compass is far of and i predict lots of trouble for you in life.


...No wonder archery gets nerfed so much and yet these nerds get on and brag about how they can get 20 kills every round no problem. Lameass cheating fucks. Whatever happened to perma-bans?
surly not the only reason :wink: ,but yes a complette class is being dragged into the dirt by such actions.

@devs
When you got your new game going, please no holding back, just ban every cheating fuck, no matter how much effect those cheats would have, make the community understand not to fuck with you! There seems also be a need for a regular reminder, the newcomers may not know what happened 1-3 years before. In the medival times we have had a "Pranger", a place in the center of the village, where wrongdoers had been put onto display. How about a Website which lists all perma banned and why they had been banned, easily accessible and with some nice medival graphics  :twisted:
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: LordBerenger on January 14, 2014, 01:52:47 am
if you could only change your textures to approved textures, not just whatever neon bright colored object you want.  Maybe I'm 4 years too late in this suggestion though, since people have been able to do this since forever.

Let people change the colors of the weapons/armor/how they look into whatever the hell they want to. It doesn't affect/show up for other players anyhow so i don't see the problem. If they want to edit their armor to look like robocop or have swords that looks like lightsabers then let them do it.


As long as it doesn't give one an advantage. No need to go all Stalin about it.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Novamere on January 14, 2014, 02:08:34 am
I know of 5+ people that use this shit and it should be punished its tampering with your game just like autoblocking and that earns you a perma-ban!

3 of those 5+ have been playing since release so that is going to be rough haha
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: owens on January 14, 2014, 02:13:39 am
So this subtle punishment method.


No one has noticed it
People are still cheating
Could be that its not working mate...
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Nightingale on January 14, 2014, 03:05:34 am
Alternating textures to gain benefits is cheating in my book and should be punishable.

alternating textures like heirloom pack should be fine, as you don't really gain anything from having it installed.

This is just my opinion.

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Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: LordBerenger on January 14, 2014, 03:13:11 am
I know of 5+ people that use this shit and it should be punished its tampering with your game just like autoblocking and that earns you a perma-ban!

3 of those 5+ have been playing since release so that is going to be rough haha


1 is a Russian archer, 1 is a Turkish archer,  1 is a FCC archer, 1 is another swedish archer and 1 is a brit archer.

Did i nail it?
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Lt_Anders on January 14, 2014, 03:16:35 am
Alternating textures to gain benefits is cheating in my book and should be punishable.

alternating textures like heirloom pack should be fine, as you don't really gain anything from having it installed.

This is just my opinion.

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As the devil's advocate, technically the Heirloom pack gives benefits to the user in that the person having it can see when an enemy is using a loomed, or not loomed weapon(and I believe armor, I only used it when it was mostly just weapons). Thus, you can tell who you need to watch for and the weapons that they use. While this isn't a direct benefit, you do know when a loomed weapon is in use against you versus someone who does not have it.  Loomed weapons, in all instances, are better than non-loomed weapons, be it damage, missile speed, weight, weapon speed or health/armor or any combinations.

So, while I don't mind the heirloom pack, don't get on the high horse when you use it, because it is, in effect, the same vein as purple arrows.

How many people use native arrows or bolts? That's also a technical form of cheating too. Even though it's the games shipped with settings, based on how we define this rather ambiguous "gains benefits" then using the anything "native" is just as much cheating. You can't just define it based on "benefit gained" because all texture mods, in some way shape or form, give a benefit to the user over the non user in every instance.

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Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Novamere on January 14, 2014, 03:30:56 am

1 is a Russian archer, 1 is a Turkish archer,  1 is a FCC archer, 1 is another swedish archer and 1 is a brit archer.

Did i nail it?

Completely! But i dont think they will do anything since people have been using this for years, i know guys who have used it for the past 3 years its no new thing its just now raising an alarm though!
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: HappyPhantom on January 14, 2014, 05:02:25 am
Edit: Thought i'd share some of whats really out there. They use : No fog, Pink arrows, Tracers, Mil-Dots(like snipers so they can see arrow drop), semi-transparent buildings(so they can see the building and not run into it yet still see through it), larger arrows, Highlighted heads of enemies, sound effects for when they hit an enemy. Those are all I know of so far.

How do I do this? Someone send me links!!

200 ping must nullify all cheating!

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Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Sir_Wonka on January 14, 2014, 05:37:35 am
Quick fix, force everybody to repair mod every time they try to launch. Ideas for the year 2014. Devs can get off their asses and fully implement heirloom pack and it's awesomeness :D
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: PsychoTwins on January 14, 2014, 05:58:05 am
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If the devs decide that changing client-side files for a "benefit" is the most important thing that needs to be fixed I will gladly remove the files, could do it right now but im sure people will believe I didn't remove them, and take a ban if they deem necessary. If this is more important than HA's delaying rounds and killing late night servers or the ranged influx in EU, dont know it that well only from what i've heard from EU's, then so be it.
Quick fix, force everybody to repair mod every time they try to launch. Ideas for the year 2014. Devs can get off their asses and fully implement heirloom pack and it's awesomeness :D
It would be a very simple fix for the devs to do by doing this but chadz has already stated how he feels about all this,
 
I can't believe people are raging over the fact that tinkering with your models and textures client side should be restricted or overseen.

Now here is a suggestion. Some servers have the restriction on, some have it off, and you can decide where you want to play. And if you really want to play with your unicorn on the restricted servers, you put it into the review process.

Some people really find something rageworthy in every little thing...

yes
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Huscarlton_Banks on January 14, 2014, 06:25:14 am
The heirloom pack does give an advantage as far as knowing what arrows/bolts/weapons to pick up from a distance, and knowing whether or not an enemy has a loomed weapon.

Plus some of them are quite a bit more visible from a distance, just from the ornate coloring (lol red arrow fletchings).

Should probably remove the tracers/alternate crosshairs/louder horse sounds from the mods compatible with crpg sticky if those are considered cheats.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Jeade on January 14, 2014, 07:24:29 am
If the devs decide that changing client-side files for a "benefit" is the most important thing that needs to be fixed I will gladly remove the files, could do it right now but im sure people will believe I didn't remove them, and take a ban if they deem necessary. If this is more important than HA's delaying rounds and killing late night servers or the ranged influx in EU, dont know it that well only from what i've heard from EU's, then so be it. It would be a very simple fix for the devs to do by doing this but chadz has already stated how he feels about all this,

I think you're subconsciously admitting to realizing this is a bit of a bullshit mod if you're stressing what should be weighted the most on the minds of the devs, not about what's acceptable or not.
I also have to say, I don't see chadz responding to neon pink weapon textures and tracers in that quote, but potentially something less damaging client-side, like changing longswords into huge dildos.
It's possible you just didn't quote enough of it, and I'm ready to be shot down in that regard. I have no idea where that quote came from.

In another light, changing the rules to prevent this sort of modification would at least prevent you from posting 5 ban requests a week as you'd have to remove the modifications before screenshotting.
This may actually be a valid way to keep you from using the texture mods if you continue to post ban requests at the alarming rate you have been.

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Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: PsychoTwins on January 14, 2014, 07:29:50 am
I think you're subconsciously admitting to realizing this is a bit of a bullshit mod if you're stressing what should be weighted the most on the minds of the devs, not about what's acceptable or not.
I also have to say, I don't see chadz responding to neon pink weapon textures and tracers in that quote, but potentially something less damaging client-side, like changing longswords into huge dildos.
It's possible you just didn't quote enough of it, and I'm ready to be shot down in that regard. I have no idea where that quote came from.

In another light, changing the rules to prevent this sort of modification would at least prevent you from posting 5 ban requests a week as you'd have to remove the modifications before screenshotting.
This may actually be a valid way to keep you from using the texture mods if you continue to post ban requests at the alarming rate you have been.

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Yes chadz was talking about all of it in whole(including the transparent houses), and trust me the "tracers" are just arrows look longer, i can screenshot one in a second. Also yeah I am saying it is BS and will be willing to removed if necessary since no one will believe me if I just say I removed them.
Here is the tracer(sorry it look multiple tries to catch it)
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Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Macropus on January 14, 2014, 08:06:17 am
Well sorry but you should realize it really doesnt help me much as far as dodging, the only real advantage i use with it is seeing which direction the archers are goin at the beginning of the round, also added in my earlier post of what is out there if you wanna see.
The weird thing is that you state you don't get much advantage from this, yet you care enough to replace the game files with those ugly textures. Cheating for the sake of cheating itself, eh?
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: PsychoTwins on January 14, 2014, 08:10:57 am
The weird thing is that you state you don't get much advantage from this, yet you care enough to replace the game files with those ugly textures. Cheating for the sake of cheating itself, eh?

Nooooo, I got the textures for when I used snowflakes as I couldn't see them for shitall on the ground. I was too lazy to remove the files after selling my snowflakes and here we are now. From using it to actually see  the tiny snowflakes, to using them as a "broken/exploitation" way of seeing the other ranged
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Lord_Kitazawa_of_Voodoo on January 14, 2014, 08:54:03 am
Now I know why Bob has been able to circle around, find and kill me whenever he plays; I've literally been holding a giant pink bulls-eye.  Pathetic.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Utrakil on January 14, 2014, 08:57:57 am
Nooooo, I got the textures for when I used snowflakes as I couldn't see them for shitall on the ground. I was too lazy to remove the files after selling my snowflakes and here we are now. From using it to actually see  the tiny snowflakes, to using them as a "broken/exploitation" way of seeing the other ranged
Didn't you have to reinstall it after the last patch?
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: PsychoTwins on January 14, 2014, 09:01:23 am
Didn't you have to reinstall it after the last patch?

No I haven't had to for any patches. Im going to guess I didn't have to because it is client-side.

Incoming double post.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: PsychoTwins on January 14, 2014, 09:08:30 am
Now I know why Bob has been able to circle around, find and kill me whenever he plays; I've literally been holding a giant pink bulls-eye.  Pathetic.

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Thank god for the HUGE pink textures, I almost had to squint to see the people there. Pathetic is finding a reason to Q_Q about anything man. I couldn't see snowflakes for shitall when I was a thrower so I got this horrible pack that makes it so I can actually see the little snowflakes on the ground. I am a horrible cheating bastard for not removing it and using it to see the people I never would have been able to see before.

Some people really find something rageworthy in every little thing...

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I almost didn't see that xbow on his back, thank god for the pink on his side that made it so I could finally see.

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Oh damn is that an HA? Thank god for his pink bow there I would never have noticed.

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Damn I cant see any pink on my screen I guess they dont have any archers so I dont have to walk around the map.
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Oh look I know Sagittarius is an archer I can now go around  the map and backstab him. I guess we should remove the scoreboard as it puts a target on archers and lets me know they are on the other team.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Kafein on January 14, 2014, 10:31:14 am
I can't really say that modifying stuff making it easier to locate and avoid ranged is morally wrong given the current situation, it's merely "dealing with it". Moreover, feint macros and autoblockers are much worse. Transparent buildings and bushes is just plain cheating though.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: PsychoTwins on January 14, 2014, 10:34:11 am
I can't really say that modifying stuff making it easier to locate and avoid ranged is morally wrong given the current situation, it's merely "dealing with it". Moreover, feint macros and autoblockers are much worse. Transparent buildings and bushes is just plain cheating though.

What is your opinion on the No Fog thread? Do you think removing the fog is cheating?
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Kafein on January 14, 2014, 10:35:21 am
What is your opinion on the No Fog thread? Do you think removing the fog is cheating?

Yes
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: kinngrimm on January 14, 2014, 11:15:55 am
Fact remains, there are those who use these things, there are those who dont. From cRPG they are not included and while the Heirloom pact has teh work of an artist behind, who creates nice peaces of art, i couldn't make that distinction for either of the here mentioned modifications(cheats).

Also from a 'common sense' approach, the heirloom pact has a chance to get included officially into cRPG as it enriches the mod with as already mentioend work of art, while i would hardly come to believe 'pink arrows' or 'transparent walls' would give the mod a higher immersion or better game experience.

better != easier

How about any modifications, needs to be signed by the devs? First you would need to ask them, get their permission, then start creating the modification, when ready publicly posting them for all and then being signed by the devs. That all as a form of process how to get modifications not outlawed as cheats, but integrated in the community.

Still to the matter what had been posted here i refer to my first post, if you argue that making things easier for you, while others very likely haven't got the same advantage, is not cheating, then you are wrong. And yet again, even needing to tell people this, is more parental work as i had in mind in the first place.

Severity of the different types of modifications, wtf i am not hear to hold judgment over some dipshits indirectly ruining my game experience. You want to give them a free pass, because a 'pink arrow' is less sever then a transparent wall texture? Fuck that shit, in both cases it makes things easier, same crime. To some extent i can see that having the original meshes for arrows and bolts or bigger once for those of us who may have a bit of problem with eyesight is rectifyable, then again just dont play fucking ranged cunts in the first place where as in the real world if you havent got the eyesight of a hawk you are not worth jack shit. I dont always see the ranged targeting me, guess what i get shot a lot, as any infantry. You think with less ranged there also wouldnt be a need for these specialised cheating mods and ranged wouldnt be such big of a problem as it is now, but well i was told to deal with it, therefor i report every ranged teamhit and teamkill as a contribution to class balancing, sofar i can say at least from my own teams, i get shot a lot less  :lol:

In any case, get them identified and ban those cheating cunts, perhaps that even helps regualting ranged number counts on eu servers, i wouldnt mind loosing those bad apples.  :evil: at all!
If you want to be fair about it, consider the time since we started the discussion here, a fair warning and if you havent yet removed that shit, it is on you!
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Templar_Steevee on January 14, 2014, 11:20:40 am
Yes
+ for that. For every single class having no fog when others got it is huge advantage, especially when there is fog like milk.

Mostly benificated classes for having no fog are ranged. Enemies who are getting shots can predict where is an archer/x-bow only by checking how missile is sticking from their body.

Once have no fog and others have (i joined map when state was 1:1) and i 3 rounds I almost hit 30 kills (there were like 35 vs 35 players).
That's showing how having no fog is OP - read cheating :)
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Smithy on January 14, 2014, 12:01:53 pm

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Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: PsychoTwins on January 14, 2014, 12:22:36 pm
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Great now I have to be an asshole.

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Look at this, you see any snowflakes on the ground? When I squint I can see 2. Very difficult to see.
Now you wanna know what is horseshit?
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This is horseshit. I got the pink texture pack because using snowflakes was a pain in the ass. Imagine if those were spread out from you trying to hit an archer or horse. This is fucking retarded and that is why I got the pink textures. But of course the "real" reason everyone thinks I got the pack is because it makes it SOOOO easy to spot the ranged. Fuck that. That is 25 snowflakes right there and only 2 was seen in the first picture. Stop the damn QQ'ing about the pink textures and worry more about the transparent buildings and ranged spam in EU and NA that is really killing this mod.

Guess I should also state why I kept the textures after I stopped throwing. I am lazy as fuck. That is why I am always on crpg. All i had to do was hit the repair button but then I would have to wait 30 seconds for it and im just too damn lazy. I had stated before it barely helped me anyway on seeing ranged and its not like the archers have camoflage I would have seen them either way.

Edit: I have also already been asked by throwers for the pink textures because they cant see their thrown weapons for shitall either.

If you still think the pink texture thing is bs, then I suggest we also remove the option to remove particle effects, because if you can disable the rain that is an advantage as well and not everyone disables that. That is if of course we are doing a broad spread instead of choosy bullshit.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Teeth on January 14, 2014, 01:02:14 pm
Fuck you and your cheating FarmerBob, it's the only thing we can do against this bullshit so I hope you get to enjoy the bad rep for a long time. Perhaps if you would stop playing at 400 fps you could make the game look a little sharper and play fair like the rest of us.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Kafein on January 14, 2014, 01:03:20 pm
Fuck you and your cheating FarmerBob, it's the only thing we can do against this bullshit so I hope you get to enjoy the bad rep for a long time. Perhaps if you would stop playing at 400 fps you could make the game look a little sharper and play fair like the rest of us.

At 400 FPS I bet you can also fry eggs on your GPU


Also due to my partial colorblindness I'd rather have white or bright yellow bows than that pink that blends in. On that first picture I don't even see the bow
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: PsychoTwins on January 14, 2014, 01:07:22 pm
Fuck you and your cheating FarmerBob, it's the only thing we can do against this bullshit so I hope you get to enjoy the bad rep for a long time. Perhaps if you would stop playing at 400 fps you could make the game look a little sharper and play fair like the rest of us.

LOL 400 fps is cheating? All you have to do is raise your fps cap in the settings.....I have shit graphics tho because I am playing on a very old computer that was not even meant for gaming. My computer randomly crashes as well because the one time I tried adding in a new graphics card it fucked up my computer.

Also look at what I found
Can't crutch camping spots anymore? Poor you. Hope you enjoy the other changes I made to other maps.

You removed stairs and such from maps because you hate ranged. If thats not scummy cheating shit i dont know what is.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Teeth on January 14, 2014, 01:28:49 pm
LOL 400 fps is cheating? All you have to do is raise your fps cap in the settings.....I have shit graphics tho because I am playing on a very old computer that was not even meant for gaming. My computer randomly crashes as well because the one time I tried adding in a new graphics card it fucked up my computer.
Not my point at all. You say you have a shit computer, you claim you have to use coloured textures because you can't spot things otherwise, and yet you have the game run at 400 fps. If you would play at 120 fps, I am pretty sure you could crank your settings up when your computer is apparently able to run the game at 400 fps.

You removed stairs and such from maps because you hate ranged. If thats not scummy cheating shit i dont know what is.
I have explained my stance on the matter repeatedly and stand by it, you might not agree with it, but frankly I don't care.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: PsychoTwins on January 14, 2014, 01:32:59 pm
Not my point at all. You say you have a shit computer, you claim you have to use coloured textures because you can't spot things otherwise, and yet you have the game run at 400 fps. If you would play at 120 fps, I am pretty sure you could crank your settings up when your computer is apparently able to run the game at 400 fps.

Well i guess ill explain how my comp is since you are not being a dickhead about it now. Yes i have a shit computer, yes i run with 400 fps with shit graphics. The reason I can is because my processor is fine, allowing the fps, but my graphics card like i said is horrible and crashing my computer. If I have the graphics low I dont crash as often as when I have them raised. I have also had friends try the same thing with snowflakes with their better quality and they also have trouble seeing the snowflakes. Ill add in the edit from my other post.

Edit: I have also already been asked by throwers for the pink textures because they cant see their thrown weapons for shitall either.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: kinngrimm on January 14, 2014, 01:42:06 pm
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You removed stairs and such from maps because you hate ranged. If thats not scummy cheating shit i dont know what is.
you are slightly deranged arent you?
He is a sceene editor, so to speak employed to do these things by the devs AND
the changes he does are automaticly available for all, all have the same circumstances guranteed with those changes Teeth is implementing. That is not cheating. If it is the case, he would do those changes out of despise of ranged, then it maybe biased and unprofessional, still not cheating. Please dont compare apples with oranges.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: PsychoTwins on January 14, 2014, 02:11:39 pm
cheat
verb
1.
act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, esp. in a game or examination.
then it maybe biased and unprofessional

But of course this thread isn't about what Teeth has done in scene editing.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Joker86 on January 14, 2014, 02:38:03 pm
cheat
verb
1.
act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, esp. in a game or examination.
But of course this thread isn't about what Teeth has done in scene editing.

Cheating means that one player has an advantage which other players do not have, and this advantage is NOT part of the game itself, it's added by you. Else the developers would have been cheating every time they nerfed or buffed something, rendering the word completely useless.

Don't misunderstand me, I indeed think the advantage you took from those pink textures, at least concerning enemy players, is close to nill, but it's a matter of principle. If you can't run a game properly you can't, and it's better to either get a new machine or stop playing the game than modifying it in a way that you move into a grey area.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: PsychoTwins on January 14, 2014, 02:40:51 pm
Cheating means that one player has an advantage which other players do not have, and this advantage is NOT part of the game itself, it's added by you. Else the developers would have been cheating every time they nerfed or buffed something, rendering the word completely useless.

Don't misunderstand me, I indeed think the advantage you took from those pink textures, at least concerning enemy players, is close to nill, but it's a matter of principle. If you can't run a game properly you can't, and it's better to either get a new machine or stop playing the game than modifying it in a way that you move into a grey area.

Yes i agree I was stating if he was being biased and unprofessional, like his friend stated, then it was cheating imo.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Joker86 on January 14, 2014, 02:50:58 pm
Yes i agree I was stating if he was being biased and unprofessional, like his friend stated, then it was cheating imo.

I... don't get this sentence  :?

All I want to say is: in my eyes Teeth is a bit overreacting on your person, but he is right in terms of seeing it as a general problem, with no "degrees" of acceptable and not.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: PsychoTwins on January 14, 2014, 03:09:30 pm
I... don't get this sentence  :?

All I want to say is: in my eyes Teeth is a bit overreacting on your person, but he is right in terms of seeing it as a general problem, with no "degrees" of acceptable and not.

Sorry you are EU and I was speaking broken Murican English. I am basically agreeing with you.

Sorry incoming another double post, I don't want Joker's + on the above to be confused with what im about to post.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: PsychoTwins on January 14, 2014, 03:19:30 pm
Not my point at all. You say you have a shit computer, you claim you have to use coloured textures because you can't spot things otherwise, and yet you have the game run at 400 fps. If you would play at 120 fps, I am pretty sure you could crank your settings up when your computer is apparently able to run the game at 400 fps.

So I decided to show it all to you myself since high quality makes snowflakes easier to see apparently.
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Wow look at that I CANT SEE ONE FUCKING SNOWFLAKE. Thank god my comp crashed so I can enjoy the high quality.
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Once again. This is horseshit.

Edit: ^There is 32 snowflakes in that second picture. See if you can find all.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: kinngrimm on January 14, 2014, 03:36:39 pm
cheat
verb
1.
act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, esp. in a game or examination.
But of course this thread isn't about what Teeth has done in scene editing.
Let me get this straight. You copied a definition from somewhere f.e. google search, what "cheat" means, to make a point here, that it would be the same or similar thing what had been done by Teeth? If so, i see myself corrected, not "slightly" derranged and not a "question mark" needed.

Besides different words, different meanings.

Quote
biased
adjective
1.
unfairly prejudiced for or against someone or something.
"we will not tolerate this biased media coverage"

Quote
unprofessional
adjective
1.
below or contrary to the standards expected in a particular profession.

By implying Teeth would cheat, by the way he conducts his work, which by definition is not even close to what a cheat would be, as the outcome of his work is available and therefor used by "All", not by a "view", automaticly by the servers made available and not with effort by and only to a view, by the intention to balance maps in comparison to the intention of making the game easier. On all these acounts and i guess a few more if i wait a little longer what else would spring to mind, nevertheless for now, by all these accounts, there is no similarity between the actions of those you described by using the mods mentioned in this thread, to the work Teeth does "for us all".


Btw i play a dedicated thrower on my alt, i tried using snowflakes years ago and i also had the problem not always be able to find them, solution was then not to use them anymore. There are things you can use and things you cant, things you get used to using the way you want to or you wont. That is part of the game, to find something what fits you. If you cant use snowflakes the way you like to, dont. Or do it as other snowflake users do, dont look for them once you fired them away.
I never saw Thomek chasing after snowflakes which missed his target  :rolleyes: .. i guess he cant find tehm either  :lol:

@Teeth
It is not my opinion you acted biased or unprofessional, i just wanted to make a point earlier on.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: PsychoTwins on January 14, 2014, 03:43:35 pm
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ok....so it seems Teeth and I overreacted lets get that outta this thread. On the snowflake part, the heirloom pack was made to make it visually pleasing and a cooler look at loomed weapons, so why not make snowflakes visually pleasing and better to use? Of course people don't like the pink but that is the only thing out there for people who want to be able to actually use that type of throwing or others.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Utrakil on January 14, 2014, 03:47:24 pm
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ok....so it seems Teeth and I overreacted lets get that outta this thread. On the snowflake part, the heirloom pack was made to make it visually pleasing and a cooler look at loomed weapons, so why not make snowflakes visually pleasing and better to use? Of course people don't like the pink but that is the only thing out there for people who want to be able to actually use that type of throwing or others.
Why can't you simply accept that snowflakes are small little throwing weapons and hard to find in high grass.
If you want to find them again only throw when there is a wall behind your target. everybody else has to deal with this feature of snowflakes as well. what makes you so special that you don't have to deal with it?
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: sF_Guardian on January 14, 2014, 03:51:43 pm
So I decided to show it all to you myself since high quality makes snowflakes easier to see apparently.
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Wow look at that I CANT SEE ONE FUCKING SNOWFLAKE. Thank god my comp crashed so I can enjoy the high quality.
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Once again. This is horseshit.

Edit: ^There is 32 snowflakes in that second picture. See if you can find all.

So you think if YOU are able to spot them and OTHER'S ain't it's fair?
If they are hard to spot it maybe meant to be like it and all having the same troubles is still better than one having an advantage.
Selfish mentality causes cheating, good job on that.
And the argument that you're cheating ain't that bad like other's is just plain stupid, it's like saying "I punched the guy just once"
or "An autoblocker is still better than an autoaim-user" because one is for defence and the other for killing.
All kind's of unfair advantages are horseshit, that's it.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: PsychoTwins on January 14, 2014, 03:54:17 pm
So you think if YOU are able to spot them and OTHER'S ain't it's fair?
If they are hard to spot it maybe meant to be like it and all having the same troubles is still better than one having an advantage.
Selfish mentality causes cheating, good job on that.
And the argument that you're cheating ain't that bad like other's is just plain stupid, it's like saying "I punched the guy just once"
or "An autoblocker is still better than an autoaim-user" because one is for defence and the other for killing.
All kind's of unfair advantages are horseshit, that's it.

Oh no I would love there to be a pack like the Heirloom one that makes them easier to see. I also have not said no to anyone who has already asked me for the pink textures.

I may also just make a thread like the Heirloom one and just have it be for those who wish to be able to see their small projectiles, and im sure some1 can tweak it to not have it show on bows and such if they really do care.

Edit: Actually I think that it will be a wonderful idea, because then it is available to all and you can chose to have it or not. Just like the rain, thanks  :mrgreen:

Here is the pack for everyone so that everyone has a chance to have it. http://forum.melee.org/suggestions-corner/projectile-pack/new/#new
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: PsychoTwins on January 14, 2014, 07:45:43 pm
Bumping to show this.
http://forum.melee.org/beginner's-help-and-guides/no-more-fog!/

It seems people didn't care much about the fog not too long ago and actually wanted it gone, but of course the color pink should definitely be banned  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on January 14, 2014, 07:49:12 pm
I personally don't care if people want pink equipment, that's very minor in my opinion (although very gamey).  I don't even think I would enjoy the game if I had pink weapons in the battlefield.  And anyone who saw me playing would call me a cheater as soon as they saw my computer monitor ("haha, are you cheating?").  Changing it so you have no fog, using transparent walls, having hay stacks and bushes that lay flat on the ground, those are a lot more serious to me. 

I think the whole thing can be easily fixed by having an official guide to what textures people can alter (and still be allowed to connect to the server with) and those they cannot (and will be punished for editing).  If you want your texture modification to be approved, you submit it and it gets looked at.  Seems pretty common sense to me.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: PsychoTwins on January 14, 2014, 07:54:16 pm
I personally don't care if people want pink equipment, that's very minor in my opinion (although very gamey).  I don't even think I would enjoy the game if I had pink weapons in the battlefield.  And anyone who saw me playing would call me a cheater as soon as they saw my computer monitor ("haha, are you cheating?").  Changing it so you have no fog, using transparent walls, having hay stacks and bushes that lay flat on the ground, those are a lot more serious to me. 

I think the whole thing can be easily fixed by having an official guide to what textures people can alter (and still be allowed to connect to the server with) and those they cannot (and will be punished for editing).  If you want your texture modification to be approved, you submit it and it gets looked at.  Seems pretty common sense to me.

I wish I could upvote the shit outta this.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Grumbs on January 14, 2014, 08:01:01 pm
If one person can't see where his shots land and someone else can because he installed different textures then thats an obvious advantage. Why should one person see where things are and another not?

How about weapons being visible next to normal textures like poking out behind walls, in foliage etc? Obvious advantage

Blocking weapons? Highlighting certain weapons you consider to be higher threats? Making heads a different colour? Its not just gamey its cheating

Saying that though, its the devs responsibility to foster a good and fair environment. Their policies and attitude when people talk about this stuff gives people a good excuse to do it
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Prpavi on January 14, 2014, 08:18:05 pm
If some tryhard nerd wants to ruin their game with pink bows and dildo swords let them, I really don't care.

p.s. Send dem links on my PM Berenger  :wink:
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Phantasmal on January 14, 2014, 08:40:28 pm
Although I think it is extremely stupid to use pink textures, I cannot deny that the heirloom pack confers some advantages. I love the way the weapons look, but I do use it to size up an opponent before a fight based on the loom level of the weapon. I was told that it helps make projectiles easier to see (not that I really notice a difference), which is an advantage as well.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Templar_Steevee on January 14, 2014, 09:20:58 pm
That's true that loomed arrows are a bit more visible in the air, but for me is more estetical aspect :)
 
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Lt_Anders on January 14, 2014, 10:11:29 pm
Although I think it is extremely stupid to use pink textures, I cannot deny that the heirloom pack confers some advantages. I love the way the weapons look, but I do use it to size up an opponent before a fight based on the loom level of the weapon. I was told that it helps make projectiles easier to see (not that I really notice a difference), which is an advantage as well.

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Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: zagibu on January 14, 2014, 10:28:54 pm
I think there is only one solution to solve this: everyone is getting the cheat packs, they will be implemented in cRPG for all players. No more bushes, haystacks, opaque buildings, hard to see projectiles, difficult aiming. We are still debating whether to activate auto block on servers, too.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: pingpong on January 14, 2014, 10:55:37 pm
I think there is only one solution to solve this: everyone is getting the cheat packs, they will be implemented in cRPG for all players. No more bushes, haystacks, opaque buildings, hard to see projectiles, difficult aiming. We are still debating whether to activate auto block on servers, too.
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Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: LordBerenger on January 14, 2014, 10:58:01 pm
I think there is only one solution to solve this: everyone is getting the cheat packs, they will be implemented in cRPG for all players. No more bushes, haystacks, opaque buildings, hard to see projectiles, difficult aiming. We are still debating whether to activate auto block on servers, too.

When i used autoblock in Native i still sucked badly. Managed to defeat some guys in duels but u still gotta time your attacks right etc... I hate the crappy Warband melee system tbh that's why ranged and cavalry couching/lancing > Infantry Melee
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Templar_Steevee on January 14, 2014, 11:09:46 pm
difficult aiming
Aiming is not dificult, it's hard to predict where target will be in some time.

We are still debating whether to activate auto block on servers, too.
NO for this one. this is a skill based game (hi lvls helps, but still can be beaten by normal player). Autoblock should be forbidden, and unable to use. If you will implement that, ranged will be able to block for whole round against single player without getting hits.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on January 14, 2014, 11:20:41 pm
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Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Jeade on January 14, 2014, 11:21:57 pm
How about weapons being visible next to normal textures like poking out behind walls, in foliage etc? Obvious advantage

This is one of the reasons I switched to all green gear and stick to foliage as much as possible.
I realize it's not much for camouflage but it hopefully increases the chances I should be looked over or ignored.

If I have a massive pink bow and I'm shooting pink arrows with tracers, well...
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Lord_Kitazawa_of_Voodoo on January 15, 2014, 12:28:43 am
Sadly, it seems like it's too much of an opinion between what textures are cheating (being used to gain an obvious advantage over someone) vs textures people download to make the game look awesome (heirloom pack, etc.). It seems that the only solution is to make people who use the "cheating" textures feel so bad about themselves that they quit cRPG. In this instance, I think the government would understand that cyberbullying was necessary (even if it resulted in suicide - as we all know, the only TRUE way to quit cRPG).
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Grumbs on January 15, 2014, 12:35:14 am
Sadly, it seems like it's too much of an opinion between what textures are cheating (being used to gain an obvious advantage over someone) vs textures people download to make the game look awesome (heirloom pack, etc.). It seems that the only solution is to make people who use the "cheating" textures feel so bad about themselves that they quit cRPG. In this instance, I think the government would understand that cyberbullying was necessary (even if it resulted in suicide - as we all know, the only TRUE way to quit cRPG).

They could just white list everything in the heirloom pack and disallow everything else. Then you submit stuff to someone like zagibu for approval on the white list. Thats kind of what chadz alluded to a while ago but don't think it happened. Now they probably need to have the hack details before blacklisting rather than the other way around
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: EyeBeat on January 15, 2014, 02:10:21 am
Why not adopt the Final Heirloom Textures as an official part of the mod.  Then punish anyone that does not use those textures?
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Sari on January 15, 2014, 02:13:58 am
Why not adopt the Final Heirloom Textures as an official part of the mod.  Then punish anyone that does not use those textures?

Those textures look stupid anyway
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: LordBerenger on January 15, 2014, 03:25:20 am
Why not adopt the Final Heirloom Textures as an official part of the mod.  Then punish anyone that does not use those textures?

F that. I love seeing all these 2h heroes who thinks they're all that and me having customized their swords to look like red and blue lightsabers and my awesome neon colored bows and arrows.

Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Kafein on January 15, 2014, 08:07:02 am
This is one of the reasons I switched to all green gear and stick to foliage as much as possible.
I realize it's not much for camouflage but it hopefully increases the chances I should be looked over or ignored.

If I have a massive pink bow and I'm shooting pink arrows with tracers, well...

Get a shield lol
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Smithy on January 15, 2014, 12:16:12 pm
Get a shield lol

I'm not sure I understand... Jeade is an archer.   :rolleyes:  He's simply saying his attempts at camouflaging himself are futile if he's holding a pink bow, shooting dildos, on some people's screen.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Grumbs on January 15, 2014, 02:42:00 pm
I think there is only one solution to solve this: everyone is getting the cheat packs, they will be implemented in cRPG for all players. No more bushes, haystacks, opaque buildings, hard to see projectiles, difficult aiming. We are still debating whether to activate auto block on servers, too.

Buffing shields rather than nerfing ranged kind of turns the game into autoblock melee
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Templar_Steevee on January 15, 2014, 05:01:41 pm
Shields got buffed a bit last patch, maybe minor changes, but still buff... :)

But it's still good, that i can put an arrow in anaware shielders back  :twisted:
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Sniger on January 15, 2014, 05:16:13 pm
dont give people option to custom their client, thats normal in any other game isnt it? its for a reason. if you want to custom play some singleplayer, this is a competitive FPS game and thus stuff like custom textures shouldnt be allowed whatsoever (IMO)

go play the sims if you want to dress ur doll
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Tayzzer on January 15, 2014, 05:19:48 pm
Cheating or not cheating are not the only two options for this subject, and a blanket statement on all texture editing would be erroneous. Cheating in this context centers around the idea of gaining an advantage ( an advantage in combat) .While it is true that some textures could give one an advantage like projectiles easier to see in flight, many are just for aesthetics. In a game with such a close knit community including our developers, even if we don't all get along it seems only fair and just that we help with the less important aspects such as aesthetics.

Do you all think me turning my Rus cavalry boots to a charcoal color and making the cavalry robe a faded blue gives me a tactical advantage?

Maybe we need a forum here on C-rpg for dds. & similar files that are edited by our community. Of course it would not stop those who are making an advantage for themselves stop. However it would allow us to share and monitor what we believe are improvements to the games visuals.

I am aware that tale worlds has such forums but however nasty or mean our community can get it does not hold a flame to the sort of abuse one would take if they god forbid made an error in the tale world modding forums.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Smithy on January 15, 2014, 06:31:02 pm
Yeah well since its not an official rule, just a matter of perspective I suppose (don't know what's going through your walnut brain if you think this shit is ok) I wish this community was more ruthless about shitting on people who use these texture packs as means of gaining an advantage over others.  Flying Dildos, wallhacks, flat bushes etc.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: darmaster on January 15, 2014, 06:45:55 pm
sorry i just wanted to ask this: why pink?
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: PsychoTwins on January 15, 2014, 06:50:09 pm
sorry i just wanted to ask this: why pink?

Considering im the one seen responsible for this ill tell you, because I have no idea who made the pack and I dont know how to edit files I was just given the file and said to replace it with the old one.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: LordBerenger on January 15, 2014, 06:52:12 pm
Considering im the one seen responsible for this ill tell you, because I have no idea who made the pack and I dont know how to edit files I was just given the file and said to replace it with the old one.

Get the open brf and edit them to look cooler with blue and other sexy neon colors. Mine looks so awesome and then the 2h swords that looks like lightsabers is just too much lol.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Kafein on January 15, 2014, 07:22:39 pm
I'm not sure I understand... Jeade is an archer.   :rolleyes:  He's simply saying his attempts at camouflaging himself are futile if he's holding a pink bow, shooting dildos, on some people's screen.

"Get a shield lol" is a snide remark that aims to reflect the emptyness of that said remark when thrown around without sarcasm as a pseudo argument in discussions about ranged, by using it in an unrelated context in which a shield would indeed offer similar help as when used for its intended purpose.

I hope that was clear but basically it's me telling Jeade to deal with it

Also I have trouble being empathetic of people that not only use ranged weaponry but on top of that choose their equipment to be harder to spot. I can't care less if his efforts at being an asshat are futile.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Smithy on January 15, 2014, 07:43:35 pm
"Get a shield lol" is a snide remark that aims to reflect the emptyness of that said remark when thrown around without sarcasm as a pseudo argument in discussions about ranged, by using it in an unrelated context in which a shield would indeed offer similar help as when used for its intended purpose.

I understand now.. And its actually kind of funny.  :)
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: wast on January 15, 2014, 08:39:58 pm
Can't stuff that's obnoxious and hard to see be made easier to see by default? I don't want to edit textures, but I don't want to go blind either.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: cup457 on January 15, 2014, 09:08:13 pm
So basically most of the scum that use this are ranged and those that kill ranged.... We should ban all the cheating ranged and the rest of the ranged will die get destroit by the rest of the cheaters. All joking aside I don't understand cheating in this shit game. No one who gives a fuck who's at the top of the scoreboard. I fucking and I would never cheat at this game. I sure all the cheaters have "good" arguments in favor of these cheats, but at the end of the day you are still scum who has to do everything to do well at some shit mod for a shitty game that came out forever ago and no one gives a fuck about you or your neckbeard.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: LordBerenger on January 15, 2014, 09:21:31 pm
So basically most of the scum that use this are ranged and those that kill ranged.... We should ban all the cheating ranged and the rest of the ranged will die get destroit by the rest of the cheaters. All joking aside I don't understand cheating in this shit game. No one who gives a fuck who's at the top of the scoreboard. I fucking and I would never cheat at this game. I sure all the cheaters have "good" arguments in favor of these cheats, but at the end of the day you are still scum who has to do everything to do well at some shit mod for a shitty game that came out forever ago and no one gives a fuck about you or your neckbeard.

It's not cheating. Fog is gay you can't deny it. Devs fault for not removing it. Native missiles were better. And i love being able to customize the color of whatever gear.

Of what Bob mentioned only transparent buildings (which seems like wallhack) and no bushes is borderline cheating.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: cup457 on January 15, 2014, 09:34:55 pm
Fog is not even a problem other than cheeto mist. Even max Fog is not a problem because the maps never change so i know where to go. NAtive missles are not better. They look like you are shooting javelins. Customizing Gear is different from changing the entire color of an item to bright pink or purple just so you can see them easier.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: LordBerenger on January 15, 2014, 09:43:54 pm
Fog is not even a problem other than cheeto mist. Even max Fog is not a problem because the maps never change so i know where to go. NAtive missles are not better. They look like you are shooting javelins. Customizing Gear is different from changing the entire color of an item to bright pink or purple just so you can see them easier.

Fog is annoying
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Templar_Steevee on January 15, 2014, 09:47:01 pm
Fog is annoying
True, but it's making new possibilities. You kan sneak to back of your enemies, and it's easier to trick someone. It's great for x-bow hide and shoot tactic.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on January 15, 2014, 09:49:09 pm
I'm not a fan of rain or night time, but fog is actually kind of cool.  It can take maps everybody knows, and throw a kink in them.  One time fog was so thick that people didn't even know they were playing on the map "Field by a river" for a few minutes into the round (some didn't know for multiple rounds if they died early).  It changes where people naturally flow on the maps, which is a good thing IMO. 

Only problem with weather like "fog" is that it's client side only, meaning you can join before or after and not get hit with fog.  It should be a server variable.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Spanish on January 15, 2014, 09:51:41 pm
This argument about weather being annoying and people wanting to remove it, like seriously weather can't be controlled and it should be the same for every player that way no one has an advantage of see through it. Playing cav or a ninja character in the fog can be a lot of fun when you get the drop on people with pikes or they get you but its different and allows more variety in the gameplay.

I love the damn heirloom pack it makes all the weapons look simply better to me though I will admit arrows are a lot easier to track than they were before simply because I can see them midair now. Though I still cant find snowflakes once thrown or daggers and most of the time I cant even find my damn war darts. And not gonna lie if i used that pink bow highlighter colors for arrows I would be so hard to shoot on my horse. As it is I've already gotten really good at predicting and dodging arrows, even on foot I can run up to most archers and proceed bash their faces in for shooting at me (except for kelden). Then to go further with it and add neon orange to pikes and other horse rearing weapons, damn the game probably wouldn't even be fun for me at that point it would be so easy to see and predict people coming at me. Because thats the fastest way i get dehorsed is misjudging a polearm for something else.

Honestly it doesn't affect me because it won't change the way I play or even make me less effective at this game at this point. It is garbage that people feel entitled that they deserve an edge in a game just so they can brag about how good they are for a hollow victory. Maybe I care too much about this game since I have a lot fun dueling and pummeling people in battle but whatever thats how I feel about this subject
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: PsychoTwins on January 15, 2014, 09:57:53 pm
Get the open brf and edit them to look cooler with blue and other sexy neon colors. Mine looks so awesome and then the 2h swords that looks like lightsabers is just too much lol.

Would you mind removing the pink bow part of the file then please  :mrgreen: then the archers dont have to worry about the bows being pink and no more QQ. Just send me the file and ill put it on the thread.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Templar_Steevee on January 15, 2014, 10:03:02 pm
Would you mind removing the pink bow part of the file then please  :mrgreen: then the archers dont have to worry about the bows being pink and no more QQ. Just send me the file and ill put it on the thread.

I don't care about pink objects, i'm just shooting everyone. I'm wondering how they feel when getting shot to death by flying pink dildo XD
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: PsychoTwins on January 15, 2014, 10:05:11 pm
I don't care about pink objects, i'm just shooting everyone. I'm wondering how they feel when getting shot to death by flying pink dildo XD

LOL would be exciting, but im talking about the pack has it so all the bows are pink too, not just the arrows, so people cant "hide" effectively and its just something I want berenger to remove if he can so people can "hide" again.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Smithy on January 15, 2014, 10:05:51 pm
I don't care about pink objects, i'm just shooting everyone. I'm wondering how they feel when getting shot to death by flying pink dildo XD

Probably no different than they normally do.  Gay.   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: LordBerenger on January 15, 2014, 10:10:37 pm
Would you mind removing the pink bow part of the file then please  :mrgreen: then the archers dont have to worry about the bows being pink and no more QQ. Just send me the file and ill put it on the thread.

So it's just the arrows being pink? Or any other color? Sure i'll send it.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: PsychoTwins on January 15, 2014, 10:11:34 pm
So it's just the arrows being pink? Or any other color? Sure i'll send it.

Not the arrows being pink, the bows are also pink for some reason, is there any way you can remove the pink bow part?
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Elio on January 15, 2014, 10:17:35 pm
From an old thread about it, there is many way to cheat and against every class:

Will you do something against this :

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Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: LordBerenger on January 15, 2014, 10:25:20 pm
Not the arrows being pink, the bows are also pink for some reason, is there any way you can remove the pink bow part?

Meant you just want the bows color changed or arrows too? And if so any specific onces or just back to vanilla? You can also just make if you want to throwing weapons to be colored and not only arrows and bolts as well.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: pingpong on January 15, 2014, 10:37:58 pm
From an old thread about it, there is many way to cheat and against every class:
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Srsly, how blind you have to be if  you cant spot a fucking long spear!?!
I guess this pretty much explains the astronomical amount of teambumping these handicapped cavtards do, although i cant really blame them since they would be useless as ranged or melee with eyesight that bad. :lol:
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on January 15, 2014, 10:51:18 pm
Srsly, how blind you have to be if  you cant spot a fucking long spear!?!
I guess this pretty much explains the astronomical amount of teambumping these handicapped cavtards do, although i cant really blame them since they would be useless as ranged or melee with eyesight that bad. :lol:

In the heat of battle when you're scanning the battle field (and moving much faster than you are on foot) it's actually pretty easy to miss a long spear, but more likely it's the shorter polearms (that still rear horses) that you will miss.  And it's not usually in a 1v1 situation like this where you're going to miss a rearing polearm, it's when you're attacking a group of players, especially if they are engaged with a group of your infantry players.  It's easy to miss a rearing polearm in that situation.  If all rearing polearms were neon pink it would be very obvious before you get near a group of 5 enemy players if one had a rearing polearm or not. 
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Spanish on January 16, 2014, 12:04:11 am
Most of the time I'll get dehorsed by the one guy with a war spear thats hiding in the middle of the group as I charge in thinking to lay waste to some unaware peasants. Another really common thing is not seeing the long spear or pike until you get closer to the group than you try and veer away from it just to have them poke the side of your horse and somehow still pull of the rearing animation. Its easier to run into spears than you think especially if you're being aggressive trying to rack up points. Thats the reason I don't have a Champ Courser anymore it was really hard to turn away from a charge on a group if they became aware of you.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: pingpong on January 16, 2014, 12:14:39 am
In the heat of battle when you're scanning the battle field (and moving much faster than you are on foot) it's actually pretty easy to miss a long spear, but more likely it's the shorter polearms (that still rear horses) that you will miss.  And it's not usually in a 1v1 situation like this where you're going to miss a rearing polearm, it's when you're attacking a group of players, especially if they are engaged with a group of your infantry players.  It's easy to miss a rearing polearm in that situation.  If all rearing polearms were neon pink it would be very obvious before you get near a group of 5 enemy players if one had a rearing polearm or not.
Thats why anyone who uses lame crap like this is just plain badsport and sucks at this game, i mean come on im fucking terrible in this game and i still get positive kdr and good score without any of this pinky tripping balls LSD-shite.

Never played as melee cav, only as javalry but you still have to think and act fast when you try to charge a infranty mob, you can never be sure if theres a spearguy in that mob until its too late.
Using these cheats just removes the risk factor from cav or anyother class since you can see any potential hard counters to your class and their movement from the moment you spawn.


Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: PsychoTwins on January 16, 2014, 12:19:07 am
Meant you just want the bows color changed or arrows too? And if so any specific onces or just back to vanilla? You can also just make if you want to throwing weapons to be colored and not only arrows and bolts as well.

Sorry had a class. Bows, bolts, and arrows back to vanilla. Throwing weapons pink or another color that would be easy to spot you can decide  :D
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Jeade on January 16, 2014, 02:03:37 am
"Get a shield lol" is a snide remark that aims to reflect the emptyness of that said remark when thrown around without sarcasm as a pseudo argument in discussions about ranged, by using it in an unrelated context in which a shield would indeed offer similar help as when used for its intended purpose.

I hope that was clear but basically it's me telling Jeade to deal with it

Also I have trouble being empathetic of people that not only use ranged weaponry but on top of that choose their equipment to be harder to spot. I can't care less if his efforts at being an asshat are futile.

I was honestly totally confused by the "get a shield lol" comment, but I now understand.

All I have to say about the last part is I hope my blindingly neon pink arrows stuck in your eyesockets cause you only the greatest distress and turmoil in game. ;)

Edit:
You should switch colors. Try neon red arrows or purple (badass). Going with neon blue/purple atm.

This was assuming Kafein was using the pink mod.
I ain't using that shit. I am an upright, liberal man and refuse to partake in such things.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: LordBerenger on January 16, 2014, 02:12:50 am
I was honestly totally confused by the "get a shield lol" comment, but I now understand.

All I have to say about the last part is I hope my blindingly neon pink arrows stuck in your eyesockets cause you only the greatest distress and turmoil in game. ;)

You should switch colors. Try neon red arrows or purple (badass). Going with neon blue/purple atm.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: PsychoTwins on January 16, 2014, 03:40:54 am
Here is the updated files so there is no more pink bows. http://forum.melee.org/suggestions-corner/projectile-pack/

Now the throwers can see their shit and the archers can stop the QQ. Ty Berenger for taking the time to edit the file for me :D
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Lord_Kitazawa_of_Voodoo on January 16, 2014, 03:55:38 am
Here is the updated files so there is no more pink bows. http://forum.melee.org/suggestions-corner/projectile-pack/

Now the throwers can see their shit and the archers can stop the QQ. Ty Berenger for taking the time to edit the file for me :D

QQ......QQ.......QQQQ......QQ....QQQQQQ.......QQ!!!!!!
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: LordBerenger on January 16, 2014, 04:09:11 am
Here is the updated files so there is no more pink bows. http://forum.melee.org/suggestions-corner/projectile-pack/

Now the throwers can see their shit and the archers can stop the QQ. Ty Berenger for taking the time to edit the file for me :D

That's only throwing though. Can get bolts and arrows in as well. Personally i prefer colored bows as i know which enemies to prioritize easier from a distance a.ka ranged.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: PsychoTwins on January 16, 2014, 05:35:56 am
QQ......QQ.......QQQQ......QQ....QQQQQQ.......QQ!!!!!!

I......I can only upvote...  :P

<-----Check out dem hax in my prof pic. GG ranged fans cant see me now >:DDDDD
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: bilwit on January 16, 2014, 06:15:56 am
Good ole lambert hacks are as old as time. Doing it in this game is like doing it in an MMO, completely worthless.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Kafein on January 16, 2014, 09:47:17 am
I was honestly totally confused by the "get a shield lol" comment, but I now understand.

All I have to say about the last part is I hope my blindingly neon pink arrows stuck in your eyesockets cause you only the greatest distress and turmoil in game. ;)

Edit:
This was assuming Kafein was using the pink mod.
I ain't using that shit. I am an upright, liberal man and refuse to partake in such things.

I don't use any mod :(

not even my own http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/the-p-e-w-project/msg387795/#msg387795
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Bulzur on January 16, 2014, 11:23:57 am
Coloring sure may help (can't remember how many times i swear i threw a Jarid there, and i just can't find it... wasting 20sec searching for it, and then getting killed by a cav or range...)
But...
It's so ugly having neon colors.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: LordBerenger on January 16, 2014, 01:35:37 pm
Coloring sure may help (can't remember how many times i swear i threw a Jarid there, and i just can't find it... wasting 20sec searching for it, and then getting killed by a cav or range...)
But...
It's so ugly having neon colors.

You don't have to have neon colors tho lol. So many options and mixes to choose from.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: PsychoTwins on January 16, 2014, 04:34:20 pm
Coloring sure may help (can't remember how many times i swear i threw a Jarid there, and i just can't find it... wasting 20sec searching for it, and then getting killed by a cav or range...)
But...
It's so ugly having neon colors.

Berenger is right, the neon was just because no one really knew about the pack or how to edit it. Berenger was kind enough to figure it out and teach me

Here is a type of non neon you can have
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Snufalufagus on January 16, 2014, 06:02:52 pm
Bob supports this? You cunt!!!!!  Grumble Grumble.... Whats next opaque walls?
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Templar_Steevee on January 16, 2014, 09:24:12 pm
Good players don't need to use cheats, they will kill cheaters anyway.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: LordBerenger on January 16, 2014, 09:28:15 pm
Good players don't need to use cheats, they will kill cheaters anyway.

Im using some of these ''cheats'' (theyre not) and i absolutely suck.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: zagibu on January 16, 2014, 10:06:30 pm
Im using some of these ''cheats'' (theyre not) and i absolutely suck.

Of course they are cheats. The rule is: "Projectiles on the ground must be equally hard to find for everyone". You are breaking this rule, and rule breaking in games = cheating.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Kafein on January 16, 2014, 10:07:18 pm
Of course they are cheats. The rule is: "Projectiles on the ground must be equally hard to find for everyone". You are breaking this rule, and rule breaking in games = cheating.

Does the tree that cannot be heard falling hides the forest ?
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: PsychoTwins on January 16, 2014, 11:23:00 pm
Bob supports this? You cunt!!!!!  Grumble Grumble.... Whats next opaque walls?

Im sorry I just couldnt see all the snowflakes in yo face after making sweet love to it with them ;)

And I wanted to make myself look badass like so...
<-----------------

Doesn't mean I support transparent walls :P
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Jeade on January 16, 2014, 11:24:19 pm
Does the tree that cannot be heard falling hides the forest ?

You and your fucking riddles.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: LordBerenger on January 17, 2014, 12:34:50 am
Does the tree that cannot be heard falling hides the forest ?
Uwotm8?
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: sexthriller on January 17, 2014, 03:47:58 am
I feel that modding your textures to give yourself an advantage like large pink arrows, pink lances, ect is equivalent to auto blocking bundle of stickss. Seriously i just lost a ton of respect for you bob.

I run my game 1920x1080 maxed, a lot of screens on here make me sick at 620 x 480 or whatever and this dx7 crap is.

Shit rez = bad player
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: PsychoTwins on January 17, 2014, 06:14:11 am
I feel that modding your textures to give yourself an advantage like large pink arrows, pink lances, ect is equivalent to auto blocking bundle of stickss. Seriously i just lost a ton of respect for you bob.

I run my game 1920x1080 maxed, a lot of screens on here make me sick at 620 x 480 or whatever and this dx7 crap is.

Shit rez = bad player

(click to show/hide)

So cheat much hax wow
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Sagar on January 17, 2014, 09:47:54 am
Cheats! End of discussion.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Mae. on January 20, 2014, 02:58:34 pm
it doesnt have to be considered a cheat for me to say thats fucking sad, game is hard obviously.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Smithy on January 20, 2014, 03:08:08 pm
it doesnt have to be considered a cheat for me to say thats fucking sad, game is hard obviously.

You just now got around to reading this?  Little late to the party, but there were some ridiculous / hilarious debates in this thread.  Hope you enjoyed the quality of the shitposting that occurred.  :lol:
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: dynamike on January 20, 2014, 03:45:27 pm
it doesnt have to be considered a cheat for me to say thats fucking sad, game is hard obviously.
I miss you.

You just now got around to reading this?  Little late to the party, but there were some ridiculous / hilarious debates in this thread.  Hope you enjoyed the quality of the shitposting that occurred.  :lol:
And you.
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Mae. on January 20, 2014, 03:49:27 pm
down to change this to a sappy remnerd love thread

ps we'll be in ny on tuesday <3
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Smithy on January 20, 2014, 04:36:33 pm
Remn3rds best n3rds I'll have a PC / internet in ~2 weeks  :D just, Euro ping  :|
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: kinngrimm on January 20, 2014, 04:45:30 pm
Remn3rds best n3rds I'll have a PC / internet in ~2 weeks  :D just, Euro ping  :|
i am looking forward to it :)
Title: Re: Cheating or not: editing game textures
Post by: Smithy on January 20, 2014, 05:55:41 pm
i am looking forward to it :)

If not for some delays I'd have been able to play with you guys last week  :?  As long as nothing else fucks up I'll be ordering my PC this weekend  :)