Cheating or not: editing game textures

[PsychoTwins]

So you think if YOU are able to spot them and OTHER'S ain't it's fair?
If they are hard to spot it maybe meant to be like it and all having the same troubles is still better than one having an advantage.
Selfish mentality causes cheating, good job on that.
And the argument that you're cheating ain't that bad like other's is just plain stupid, it's like saying "I punched the guy just once"
or "An autoblocker is still better than an autoaim-user" because one is for defence and the other for killing.
All kind's of unfair advantages are horseshit, that's it.

Oh no I would love there to be a pack like the Heirloom one that makes them easier to see. I also have not said no to anyone who has already asked me for the pink textures.

I may also just make a thread like the Heirloom one and just have it be for those who wish to be able to see their small projectiles, and im sure some1 can tweak it to not have it show on bows and such if they really do care.

Edit: Actually I think that it will be a wonderful idea, because then it is available to all and you can chose to have it or not. Just like the rain, thanks 

Here is the pack for everyone so that everyone has a chance to have it. http://forum.melee.org/suggestions-corner/projectile-pack/new/#new

[PsychoTwins]

Bumping to show this.
http://forum.melee.org/beginner's-help-and-guides/no-more-fog!/

It seems people didn't care much about the fog not too long ago and actually wanted it gone, but of course the color pink should definitely be banned 

[CrazyCracka420]

I personally don't care if people want pink equipment, that's very minor in my opinion (although very gamey).  I don't even think I would enjoy the game if I had pink weapons in the battlefield.  And anyone who saw me playing would call me a cheater as soon as they saw my computer monitor ("haha, are you cheating?").  Changing it so you have no fog, using transparent walls, having hay stacks and bushes that lay flat on the ground, those are a lot more serious to me. 

I think the whole thing can be easily fixed by having an official guide to what textures people can alter (and still be allowed to connect to the server with) and those they cannot (and will be punished for editing).  If you want your texture modification to be approved, you submit it and it gets looked at.  Seems pretty common sense to me.

[PsychoTwins]

I personally don't care if people want pink equipment, that's very minor in my opinion (although very gamey).  I don't even think I would enjoy the game if I had pink weapons in the battlefield.  And anyone who saw me playing would call me a cheater as soon as they saw my computer monitor ("haha, are you cheating?").  Changing it so you have no fog, using transparent walls, having hay stacks and bushes that lay flat on the ground, those are a lot more serious to me. 

I think the whole thing can be easily fixed by having an official guide to what textures people can alter (and still be allowed to connect to the server with) and those they cannot (and will be punished for editing).  If you want your texture modification to be approved, you submit it and it gets looked at.  Seems pretty common sense to me.

I wish I could upvote the shit outta this.

[Grumbs]

If one person can't see where his shots land and someone else can because he installed different textures then thats an obvious advantage. Why should one person see where things are and another not?

How about weapons being visible next to normal textures like poking out behind walls, in foliage etc? Obvious advantage

Blocking weapons? Highlighting certain weapons you consider to be higher threats? Making heads a different colour? Its not just gamey its cheating

Saying that though, its the devs responsibility to foster a good and fair environment. Their policies and attitude when people talk about this stuff gives people a good excuse to do it

[Prpavi]

If some tryhard nerd wants to ruin their game with pink bows and dildo swords let them, I really don't care.

p.s. Send dem links on my PM Berenger 

[Phantasmal]

Although I think it is extremely stupid to use pink textures, I cannot deny that the heirloom pack confers some advantages. I love the way the weapons look, but I do use it to size up an opponent before a fight based on the loom level of the weapon. I was told that it helps make projectiles easier to see (not that I really notice a difference), which is an advantage as well.

[Templar_Steevee]

That's true that loomed arrows are a bit more visible in the air, but for me is more estetical aspect
 

[Lt_Anders]

Although I think it is extremely stupid to use pink textures, I cannot deny that the heirloom pack confers some advantages. I love the way the weapons look, but I do use it to size up an opponent before a fight based on the loom level of the weapon. I was told that it helps make projectiles easier to see (not that I really notice a difference), which is an advantage as well.

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As the devil's advocate, technically the Heirloom pack gives benefits to the user in that the person having it can see when an enemy is using a loomed, or not loomed weapon(and I believe armor, I only used it when it was mostly just weapons). Thus, you can tell who you need to watch for and the weapons that they use. While this isn't a direct benefit, you do know when a loomed weapon is in use against you versus someone who does not have it.  Loomed weapons, in all instances, are better than non-loomed weapons, be it damage, missile speed, weight, weapon speed or health/armor or any combinations.

So, while I don't mind the heirloom pack, don't get on the high horse when you use it, because it is, in effect, the same vein as purple arrows.

How many people use native arrows or bolts? That's also a technical form of cheating too. Even though it's the games shipped with settings, based on how we define this rather ambiguous "gains benefits" then using the anything "native" is just as much cheating. You can't just define it based on "benefit gained" because all texture mods, in some way shape or form, give a benefit to the user over the non user in every instance.

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Now I hate it just as much as the next person(the pink textures) I do use native textures for my bolts/arrows. I'm to old to be squinting at my screen for that shit. I also use a "cut down" version of natives reticule, removing the outer circular part.

Personally, I think having a single dot for the reticule, while not showing the generally hit box area thing would be more interesting than what we have now. It would technically make archery hard as you have only 1 point as opposed to 3 for determining shot angles and arcs.

[zagibu]

I think there is only one solution to solve this: everyone is getting the cheat packs, they will be implemented in cRPG for all players. No more bushes, haystacks, opaque buildings, hard to see projectiles, difficult aiming. We are still debating whether to activate auto block on servers, too.

[pingpong]

I think there is only one solution to solve this: everyone is getting the cheat packs, they will be implemented in cRPG for all players. No more bushes, haystacks, opaque buildings, hard to see projectiles, difficult aiming. We are still debating whether to activate auto block on servers, too.

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[LordBerenger]

I think there is only one solution to solve this: everyone is getting the cheat packs, they will be implemented in cRPG for all players. No more bushes, haystacks, opaque buildings, hard to see projectiles, difficult aiming. We are still debating whether to activate auto block on servers, too.

When i used autoblock in Native i still sucked badly. Managed to defeat some guys in duels but u still gotta time your attacks right etc... I hate the crappy Warband melee system tbh that's why ranged and cavalry couching/lancing > Infantry Melee

[Templar_Steevee]

difficult aiming

Aiming is not dificult, it's hard to predict where target will be in some time.

We are still debating whether to activate auto block on servers, too.

NO for this one. this is a skill based game (hi lvls helps, but still can be beaten by normal player). Autoblock should be forbidden, and unable to use. If you will implement that, ranged will be able to block for whole round against single player without getting hits.

[CrazyCracka420]

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I agree

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[Jeade]

How about weapons being visible next to normal textures like poking out behind walls, in foliage etc? Obvious advantage

This is one of the reasons I switched to all green gear and stick to foliage as much as possible.
I realize it's not much for camouflage but it hopefully increases the chances I should be looked over or ignored.

If I have a massive pink bow and I'm shooting pink arrows with tracers, well...