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Title: Guns, Guns, and more Guns, Hosted by Inbred Redneck AntiBlitz Ameritrash
Post by: AntiBlitz on October 02, 2013, 05:41:55 pm
Welcome to my world, it includes ALOT of guns, if you grow weak at the knees at the sight of a metal or polymer object, i ask you to avert your eyes now. 

As you all know, especially Benkei, i suffer from being a "Inbred Redneck", and according to my sources, this causes large masses of weapons to stockpile themselves in the deepest regions of my basement compound.  It also causes severe narrow mindedness, giving me the thought that all that's needed to live, is 12 tons of dehydrated food in sealed tubs in a underground storage room dug into the back yard. 

Now that you understand my disease, i can begin to show you the effects.  Again these are highly realistic photos, viewer discretion is advised.

Assault Rifles
Colt AR-15 A2 Government Carbine 5.56NATO
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Maadi Egyptian AK-47 7.62x39
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Smith & Wesson M&P-15 5.45x39
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High Point 9mm Carbine
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Shotguns
Mossberg Model 88 Pump Shotgun 12ga.
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Mossberg Model 88 Pump Shotgun w/ Shorter barrel,heatshield, extra shell holder 12ga.
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Mossberg Model 835 Slugster Pump Shotgun w/ 24 in. barrel, camo paint, and top mounted Picatinny rail 12ga.
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Winchester Model 1300 Pump Shotgun 12ga.
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Franchi Brescia Italian made Semi-Auto Shotgun(meant for duck hunting) 12ga.
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Rich Bush Arms Co. Single Shot Shotgun 12.ga
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Ithaca Gun Co. M-66 SuperSingle Single Shot w/ lever Shotgun 12ga.
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Winchester Model 37A Full choke Single Shot Shotgun 12ga.
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Rifles
Single Shot Rifle converted from a old ball musket rifle(it has no name, and only 1 serial number, was an inheritance)
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Traditions Sport Mag 209 In Line Black Powder Rifle 50cal.
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Winchester APEX Black Powder Muzzleloader w/ camo paint 45cal.
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Remington Woodsmaster Model 742 Semi-Auto w/ 5round magazine 30-06SPRG.(pronounced "30" "Ott" "6")
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Remington Gamemaster Model 760 Carbine Pump Action w/ 5 round magazine 30-06SPRG.
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Marlin Firearms Model 30AS Lever Action 30/30 Win.
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Marlin Firearms Model 30AS Lever Action 30/30 Win.
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Winchester Model 94 Lever Action 30/30 Win.(the epitome of old western shooter guns)
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Old Rifles
German Mauser Model 98 S/42 Made in 1936 Russian Capture Bolt Action Rifle 8mm Mauser
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German Mauser Model 98 42 Made in 1938 Russian Capture Bolt Action Rifle 8mm Mauser
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Winchester M1 U.S Carbine made During war time 30cal.(all original, collectors item)
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British Rifle No 5 Mk I .303british (aka Lee-Enfield No 5 Mk I, aka Lee-Enfield Jungle Carbine)
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Sidearms
FN Herstal FiveSeven Semi Auto 20 Round Magazine OD green 5.7x28(Made in Belgium, known as Fabrique Nationale d'Herstal)
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Smith & Wesson M&P 40 15 round magazine 40S&W
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Star BM Spanish Police/Military Pistol 9mm( Star Bonifacio Echeverria, S.A.)
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Taurus PT-92 C 9mm(Made in Brazil)
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Smith & Wesson M&P 357C Compact Pistol .357Sig
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First Firearms
Daisy Buck Lever Action BB Gun
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Daisy Red Ryder 2000 Millennium Edition Lever Action BB gun
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So im sure someone thinks im this, since you also linked this photo to me at one point in a thread:
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I dont think this guy is shit in comparison to me.
But really im this:
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( i forgot i had the star, which is why it isnt in the photo  :rolleyes:)

proof of ownership
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In total this is 31 firearms with a few at my grandfathers as well which currently are not with me(probably making it just short of 40), i started with that simple BB gun as young as 7 y/o and graduated to hunting by age 13, killing my first dear at 14 with the 30/30 Marlin rifle.  I'll post a pic of that as well, if you would want to see that.  In total this took me 3 1/2 hours to arrange, load, and make this thread.

If you have any questions or want more detailed photos, just ask, i will gladly answer back, it took so long taking pics that they had to be very simplistic and far away, or else i might have been here till 2 in the morning taking photos.  Please, please feel free to post your pics as well, i would love to see them in all their glory!

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Title: Re: Guns, Guns, and more Guns, Hosted by Inbred Redneck AntiBlitz Ameritrash
Post by: Xant on October 02, 2013, 05:46:15 pm
That AK-47 looks very nice. Would adopt.
Title: Re: Guns, Guns, and more Guns, Hosted by Inbred Redneck AntiBlitz Ameritrash
Post by: AntiBlitz on October 02, 2013, 05:48:45 pm
That AK-47 looks very nice. Would adopt.

thanks! i scrapped all the wood furniture and sporterized it, those are ATI parts, with a red dot scope on the rails.
Title: Re: Guns, Guns, and more Guns, Hosted by Inbred Redneck AntiBlitz Ameritrash
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on October 02, 2013, 05:50:07 pm
I don't understand how you derive pride or self worth from how many firearms you own.

Are you a short guy?  Small penis?  Afraid the world is out to get you?  Do drive a large vehicle and are you also religious?  Do you live in a war zone?  Do people regularly get murdered and assaulted where you live?

I get sport shooting, I get hunting, I get personal protection, but I don't understand people collecting firearms like their rocks. 
Title: Re: Guns, Guns, and more Guns, Hosted by Inbred Redneck AntiBlitz Ameritrash
Post by: Xant on October 02, 2013, 05:54:50 pm
I don't understand how you derive pride or self worth from how many firearms you own.

Are you a short guy?  Small penis?  Afraid the world is out to get you?  Do drive a large vehicle and are you also religious?  Do you live in a war zone?  Do people regularly get murdered and assaulted where you live?

I get sport shooting, I get hunting, I get personal protection, but I don't understand people collecting firearms like their rocks.
Protip: people don't buy 30+ guns because they're afraid or to defend themselves, you can only shoot one rifle at a time...

What's so odd about collecting firearms? Seems a lot more sensible than collecting stamps, for example. At least they do something and behave differently when shot.
Title: Re: Guns, Guns, and more Guns, Hosted by Inbred Redneck AntiBlitz Ameritrash
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on October 02, 2013, 05:56:34 pm
As you said, you can only shoot one firearm at a time.  I can understand someone having shotguns and rifles and hand guns and using them for different uses.  I don't understand having 31 firearms though.  What would possess someone to own so many, I don't get it. 
Title: Re: Guns, Guns, and more Guns, Hosted by Inbred Redneck AntiBlitz Ameritrash
Post by: AntiBlitz on October 02, 2013, 05:56:53 pm
I don't understand how you derive pride or self worth from how many firearms you own.

Are you a short guy?  Small penis?  Afraid the world is out to get you?  Do drive a large vehicle and are you also religious?  Do you live in a war zone?  Do people regularly get murdered and assaulted where you live?

I get sport shooting, I get hunting, I get personal protection, but I don't understand people collecting firearms like their rocks.

im 5'10
the ladies dont think so
well no?
i drive a 09 Lancer Evolution, i dont think its very large
religious, well i believe in something, just not in churches
Everytime you step foot outside your door, you step into a warzone, when i go to work, im in a warzone in your backyard, this is the warriors mindset, so yep.
murder is everywhere, assaults are as well, so well yes

my collection could be compared to how you collect Bongs, why do you need so many, you only just smoke it, why have so many of them? whats the point, they all make you high.  btw i used to collect rocks, when i was younger.
Title: Re: Guns, Guns, and more Guns, Hosted by Inbred Redneck AntiBlitz Ameritrash
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on October 02, 2013, 05:58:07 pm
I don't smoke any more, and I had one smallish glass piece I'd smoke out of.  It seems like the mentality is one of being scared and frightened, that would make someone think they need to carry a firearm concealed wherever they go (which I'm not saying you do), or to stock pile so many weapons.
Title: Re: Guns, Guns, and more Guns, Hosted by Inbred Redneck AntiBlitz Ameritrash
Post by: Xant on October 02, 2013, 05:59:16 pm
As you said, you can only shoot one firearm at a time.  I can understand someone having shotguns and rifles and hand guns and using them for different uses.  I don't understand having 31 firearms though.  What would possess someone to own so many, I don't get it.
Because they are different. They look different and shooting them is different. People like collecting things in general. Books, stamps, cars, STDs, old games... and you can only drive one car at a time! Drive one car at a time! Play one game at a time! Why do you need more than one? I will concede that you can at least enjoy several STDs at a time.

Also, carrying a firearm is worlds apart from collecting firearms. And anyone who is allowed to carry concealed and doesn't is an idiot.
Title: Re: Guns, Guns, and more Guns, Hosted by Inbred Redneck AntiBlitz Ameritrash
Post by: AntiBlitz on October 02, 2013, 06:01:23 pm
I don't smoke any more, and I had one smallish glass piece I'd smoke out of.  It seems like the mentality is one of being scared and frightened, that would make someone think they need to carry a firearm concealed wherever they go (which I'm not saying you do), or to stock pile so many weapons.

i do conceal, because im allowed to, and yes it is for my protection, i truly cannot explain to you what someone in my line of work must go through daily and must think when they want to do something simple, like going to the store for groceries. 

Its not fear that drives this, thats an extreme view thats placed to try and make thought of why i collect, its just simply a hobby, i like them.  Some people do baseball cards, some people do dolls/action figures, i do things i believe are more practical.  I LIKE GUNS!  i also have 3 bows in the back ground, you cant see them, but i do archery as well!
Title: Re: Guns, Guns, and more Guns, Hosted by Inbred Redneck AntiBlitz Ameritrash
Post by: Xant on October 02, 2013, 06:03:05 pm
How much does that AK-47 weight, by the way? I like our military's AK-clone otherwise, but the weight and its distribution is horrible for urban environments where you have to keep your rifle aimed high all the time.
Title: Re: Guns, Guns, and more Guns, Hosted by Inbred Redneck AntiBlitz Ameritrash
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on October 02, 2013, 06:05:59 pm
Baseball cards don't protect you, stamps don't protect you.  Their sole purpose is not to kill.  So I don't think it's unreasonable to think someone who carries a firearm everywhere is a fearful person.  I think that's what it comes down to.  And that's what I've personally witnessed from friends and family who choose to carry a concealed weapon.  I personally have nothing to fear, and think that carrying around a firearm is going to potentially be more harmful than any possible random encounter I may experience.  I'm not afraid of the world, and I'm not afraid of walking down the street.  Should something happen, I'll deal with it without resorting to needing a weapon.   But then again, I don't put myself in those situations to begin with. 

I shoot for sport with my father in law (who's a lifer in the army and owns a few shotguns, rifles and hand guns), I would be open to hunting as well but it's just not my thing.  But stock piling weapons and ammo or carrying a gun around everywhere you go, I will never understand (unless it's the whole fearful thing as I suspect). 

Title: Re: Guns, Guns, and more Guns, Hosted by Inbred Redneck AntiBlitz Ameritrash
Post by: AntiBlitz on October 02, 2013, 06:06:21 pm
How much does that AK-47 weight, by the way? I like our military's AK-clone otherwise, but the weight and its distribution is horrible for urban environments where you have to keep your rifle aimed high all the time.

it is god awful heavy, with a full magazine it feels like you are shouldering a cinder block, in comparison to lighter weapons like, the AR for instance its heavy, but it doesnt feel so crude and clunky.  ill go weight it real quick and let you know!

ADDED WEIGHTS FOR YOU XANT
the AK weighs 10lbs loaded with 30 rounds, the weight of the AK seems to rest in your front hand.
the AR weighs 7lbs loaded with 30 rounds, the weight seems to rest down from the trigger, which kind of balances the weight into both hands.

Baseball cards don't protect you, stamps don't protect you.  Their sole purpose is not to kill.  So I don't think it's unreasonable to think someone who carries a firearm everywhere is a fearful person.  I think that's what it comes down to.  And that's what I've personally witnessed from friends and family who choose to carry a concealed weapon.  I personally have nothing to fear, and think that carrying around a firearm is going to potentially be more harmful than any possible random encounter I may experience.  I'm not afraid of the world, and I'm not afraid of walking down the street.  Should something happen, I'll deal with it without resorting to needing a weapon.   But then again, I don't put myself in those situations to begin with. 

I shoot for sport with my father in law (who's a lifer in the army and owns a few shotguns, rifles and hand guns), I would be open to hunting as well but it's just not my thing.  But stock piling weapons and ammo or carrying a gun around everywhere you go, I will never understand (unless it's the whole fearful thing as I suspect).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_Enforcement_Officers_Safety_Act  (this is what i do)
im not going to be able to convince you really lol, but if we were standing next to one another in a coffee shop, or the local Royal farms and shit went south, id gladly protect you, because its what i do, and id hope that you would appreciate that.  Its not fear, its business, and its what i do, but on another topic, im sure there are plenty of citizens who wished they had a gun when they were attacked, because you dont have to put yourself into anything to become a victim

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poor feller got the shit beat out of him infront of his wife and child, im sure he wished he coulda protected himself and his family.
Title: Re: Guns, Guns, and more Guns, Hosted by Inbred Redneck AntiBlitz Ameritrash
Post by: AntiBlitz on October 02, 2013, 06:10:42 pm



Ah fuck, i meant to edit my post, not make another oh well  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Guns, Guns, and more Guns, Hosted by Inbred Redneck AntiBlitz Ameritrash
Post by: Kalam on October 02, 2013, 06:10:47 pm
There's a special dislike I reserve for the AR-15. Unless that thing has a piston operating system vs. a gas system, which is prohibitively expensive, so you might as well go with the AK anyway.

Gawd, I'm just mad that we have to use them.

Anyhoo, for those who don't understand why people like firearms (who aren't hunters, paranoid, etc.) - there's a visceral thrill you get from some of them. Not all of them, but some of them, and I assume this is different from different people. Kind of like how Arnold described lifting as 'cumming'. I'm not sure if it's the way it moves and the noise or something else, but fire a fully automatic weapon for half an hour and you'll come away grinning. At least, that's what happened to me, and I dislike firearms on principle.

 
Also, carrying a firearm is worlds apart from collecting firearms. And anyone who is allowed to carry concealed and doesn't is an idiot.

I was about to say something about spending money on videogames rather than firearms, but I realized that in the state I'm in, in the town I live in, all I would have to do is go to a pawn shop, pay the guy $50, register the weapon with the base, and that would be that.

Here's the real reason I don't carry: there's something about a firearm that's too...gay.

Fucking rangedmy old friends.
Title: Re: Guns, Guns, and more Guns, Hosted by Inbred Redneck AntiBlitz Ameritrash
Post by: Christo on October 02, 2013, 06:12:04 pm
MURICA

Damn, dat collection. I wouldn't want to be the burglar that decides to break in your home  :)

Mad jelly right now, hope you like
Title: Re: Guns, Guns, and more Guns, Hosted by Inbred Redneck AntiBlitz Ameritrash
Post by: Xant on October 02, 2013, 06:16:42 pm
I'm not afraid of the world, and I'm not afraid of walking down the street.  Should something happen, I'll deal with it without resorting to needing a weapon.   But then again, I don't put myself in those situations to begin with. 
You'll deal with it to the best of your ability, you mean. Which might not mean much if you're against someone/multiple someones who are armed. I'm not terribly concerned for myself either, though I'd prefer to be on equal footing, so I would still carry, but the reason I said anyone who could carry but doesn't is an idiot is because it's not just you that you protect by having a firearm.

You protect everyone around you. I don't know about you, but if something went down and I couldn't stop it because I didn't have a firearm, I'd feel stupid as fuck, to put it lightly. This goes doubly for when I'm around family or those I care about. Failure to protect them isn't acceptable. But again, maybe you'd be cool with not taking responsibility for something you could've stopped if only you carried... but that wouldn't be much consolation to me if a family member was dead because of my inability.
Title: Re: Guns, Guns, and more Guns, Hosted by Inbred Redneck AntiBlitz Ameritrash
Post by: Kalam on October 02, 2013, 06:22:56 pm
You'll deal with it to the best of your ability, you mean. Which might not mean much if you're against someone/multiple someones who are armed. I'm not terribly concerned for myself either, though I'd prefer to be on equal footing, so I would still carry, but the reason I said anyone who could carry but doesn't is an idiot is because it's not just you that you protect by having a firearm.

You protect everyone around you. I don't know about you, but if something went down and I couldn't stop it because I didn't have a firearm, I'd feel stupid as fuck, to put it lightly. This goes doubly for when I'm around family or those I care about. Failure to protect them isn't acceptable. But again, maybe you'd be cool with not taking responsibility for something you could've stopped if only you carried... but that wouldn't be much consolation to me if a family member was dead because of my inability.

Personally, it's about probability. Looking at gun violence rates, I would definitely carry if I lived in Washington D.C. I would never really carry in Vermont. It's also a question of the neighborhoods you go to and the people in your area. If you know the violent crime rate sucks, carry. If it doesn't, why bother? Just get a good lawyer.

There's a tiny part of me that's scared every time I drive a car (which is way too much, at roughly three times) because I realize I could kill someone fairly easily with one.

The same part of me would think the same way with a firearm, I imagine. Or what if you're drunk and you happen to be carrying? Is that wise?

It's all about context, to me.

Title: Re: Guns, Guns, and more Guns, Hosted by Inbred Redneck AntiBlitz Ameritrash
Post by: Xant on October 02, 2013, 06:25:15 pm
It is about probability to some extent, but crying out to the Universe that "this is most improbable!" won't help if something happens.

If you're going to get drunk, that's another story, of course.

Actually, my earlier statement was an exaggeration. I wouldn't accept any excuses from me for not carrying, but I can easily see why majority of people shouldn't carry, especially if they're not sure they can even use the firearm when they need to...
Title: Re: Guns, Guns, and more Guns, Hosted by Inbred Redneck AntiBlitz Ameritrash
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on October 02, 2013, 06:28:33 pm
I'm sorry antiblitz, I'm being a douchebag here and it's unwarranted.

I'm ascribing beliefs and personalities of people I know to you and I don't know anything about you.  I don't know what you do for a living, I don't know the socio-economic's of where you live, I don't know if you've made enemies over the years who would do harm to you.

I know from my experience and from where I live, that 99% of the people I know who carry a concealed weapon, have no reason to.
Title: Re: Guns, Guns, and more Guns, Hosted by Inbred Redneck AntiBlitz Ameritrash
Post by: AntiBlitz on October 02, 2013, 06:31:07 pm
Personally, it's about probability. Looking at gun violence rates, I would definitely carry if I lived in Washington D.C. I would never really carry in Vermont. It's also a question of the neighborhoods you go to and the people in your area. If you know the violent crime rate sucks, carry. If it doesn't, why bother? Just get a good lawyer.

There's a tiny part of me that's scared every time I drive a car (which is way too much, at roughly three times) because I realize I could kill someone fairly easily with one.

The same part of me would think the same way with a firearm, I imagine. Or what if you're drunk and you happen to be carrying? Is that wise?

It's all about context, to me.

unfortunately i carry because the same shit head that i must work with, who is on the other side of my work is the same guy i buy gas from, packs my groceries, makes my food, serves my food, or is some other form of person that you must deal with while with family or friends.  I just want to make sure that if that person shows up to confront me while im out with my family that i have the means to bring control to the situation at hand, so i guess yes in a sense Huseby is right, there is a small chance of preparedness, because i refuse to use the word paranoia, i dont think im paranoid, im just planning to be safe ahead of time.

 Anyways, i dont want to go in to gun debate topics so much as just see what you have, see what you think, and hear about your gun collecting stories.  I hope you all like my collection, i admire them as well!  if you would like more photos of the firearms, ill gladly take better, closer ones.
I'm sorry antiblitz, I'm being a douchebag here and it's unwarranted.

I'm ascribing beliefs and personalities of people I know to you and I don't know anything about you.  I don't know what you do for a living, I don't know the socio-economic's of where you live, I don't know if you've made enemies over the years who would do harm to you.

I know from my experience and from where I live, that 99% of the people I know who carry a concealed weapon, have no reason to.

its ok, im not mad lol, i dont mind your opinion at all, i truly understand what you mean, and i in a sense, feel the same way about people carrying whom really arent trained to do it.  Carrying it, and being trained to carry with it are two different things, and at times, people cant tell the right time to use it, because they werent trained in how to do so, there is a fine line between when it needs to be pulled and when it doesnt, and it shouldnt ever unless it comes down to no other alternative. 

 
Title: Re: Guns, Guns, and more Guns, Hosted by Inbred Redneck AntiBlitz Ameritrash
Post by: Xant on October 02, 2013, 06:33:03 pm
Which state do you live in, by the way? Any of that magazine-limit bullshit there? Because 30-round magazines kill people, but 15-round ones don't.
Title: Re: Guns, Guns, and more Guns, Hosted by Inbred Redneck AntiBlitz Ameritrash
Post by: AntiBlitz on October 02, 2013, 06:36:43 pm
Which state do you live in, by the way? Any of that magazine-limit bullshit there? Because 30-round magazines kill people, but 15-round ones don't.

Maryland, it has a law stating one cannot sell them within the state, however going into Pennsylvania you can purchase them(this is similar to the stupid firework laws we have, people from PA come to MD to buy and vice versa, and then drive back to their respective states).  The only law about magazine limits refer to the use of them during a crime, similar to body armor, you may own body armor, but wearing it during a crime is another offense.   

There's a special dislike I reserve for the AR-15. Unless that thing has a piston operating system vs. a gas system, which is prohibitively expensive, so you might as well go with the AK anyway.

mine is gas operated, id like a piston operate one, however i dont have the cash for that currently, and the sale of "assault" style weapons have just been banned within the state of Maryland, so you can no longer purchase them within the state if they have a "assault" look.  Kinda silly really, because you can just put a wood stock, and forgrip on it, and then sell it as a varmint rifle, then that same person can take the wood off and put the parts back on it after purchase.
Title: Re: Guns, Guns, and more Guns, Hosted by Inbred Redneck AntiBlitz Ameritrash
Post by: Molly on October 02, 2013, 06:41:00 pm
I like your car. Is it the X?
Title: Re: Guns, Guns, and more Guns, Hosted by Inbred Redneck AntiBlitz Ameritrash
Post by: Xant on October 02, 2013, 06:43:14 pm
Maryland, it has a law stating one cannot sell them within the state, however going into Pennsylvania you can purchase them(this is similar to the stupid firework laws we have, people from PA come to MD to buy and vice versa, and then drive back to their respective states).  The only law about magazine limits refer to the use of them during a crime, similar to body armor, you may own body armor, but wearing it during a crime is another offense.   

mine is gas operated, id like a piston operate one, however i dont have the cash for that currently, and the sale of "assault" style weapons have just been banned within the state of Maryland, so you can no longer purchase them within the state if they have a "assault" look.  Kinda silly really, because you can just put a wood stock, and forgrip on it, and then sell it as a varmint rifle, then that same person can take the wood off and put the parts back on it after purchase.
... What makes a rifle an "assault" style weapon? Those are some very interesting laws to be certain.
Title: Re: Guns, Guns, and more Guns, Hosted by Inbred Redneck AntiBlitz Ameritrash
Post by: AntiBlitz on October 02, 2013, 06:45:13 pm
I like your car. Is it the X?

well Hi Benkei, no it is not, i use the term Evolution, because people dont know the difference in trim lines, i actually drive a 2009 Lancer Ralliart, it looks nearly identical to the Evolution X, which is what most people have heard of(just easier to say that because people know what that is).  However my car is heavily modified so it no longer represents the stock image that you may get from google.

... What makes a rifle an "assault" style weapon? Those are some very interesting laws to be certain.

They use terms like, collapsible stock, the front sights, magazine size, and pistol grips.  Read this for some of the details on the laws if you are interested, kinda dumb really, but my firearms are safe, as i am grandfathered into owning them. 
http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2013RS/bills/sb/sb0623f.pdf

MURICA

Damn, dat collection. I wouldn't want to be the burglar that decides to break in your home  :)

Mad jelly right now, hope you like

for all you germans, i can take more pictures of the mausers, they have little german state birds stamped all over the metal parts, as well as other symbols that i dont know what they mean.
Title: Re: Guns, Guns, and more Guns, Hosted by Inbred Redneck AntiBlitz Ameritrash
Post by: Xant on October 02, 2013, 06:47:09 pm
ADDED WEIGHTS FOR YOU XANT
the AK weighs 10lbs loaded with 30 rounds, the weight of the AK seems to rest in your front hand.
the AR weighs 7lbs loaded with 30 rounds, the weight seems to rest down from the trigger, which kind of balances the weight into both hands.
Saw this. Yeah, exactly... the weight of the AK rests on your front hand, which is really fucking annoying when you're supposed to be aiming at windows or a roof for an hour. Having an M4-style rifle would be so much more handy.
Title: Re: Guns, Guns, and more Guns, Hosted by Inbred Redneck AntiBlitz Ameritrash
Post by: NuberT on October 02, 2013, 06:56:28 pm
this would be my weapon of choice, but well I live in Germany :rolleyes:.

Title: Re: Guns, Guns, and more Guns, Hosted by Inbred Redneck AntiBlitz Ameritrash
Post by: AntiBlitz on October 02, 2013, 07:05:11 pm
this would be my weapon of choice, but well I live in Germany :rolleyes:.

i watched some of his stuff a while back(maybe like 2years ago or so), but the fact that he is all fake, has no training, and lives in a state with very "loose" gun laws makes his appeal to me turn sour.  Most of the weapons he had in his show were rented from a gun store, not until he became quite large on youtube was he able to afford throwing cash at anything he could get his hands on.  As far as i know, that guy is currently under investigation due to one of his crew members dying from gunshot wounds, you will have to google it for more detail.

For anyone thats lives in in Czechoslovakia, i envy you, if i ever stumble across a mound of cash, ill be contacting these gentlemen, and ill make you my middle man to talk to them!

http://www.mortarinvestments.eu/products/tanks-2

This is literally my end goal, i want more  rifles, but the holy grail of my collection will be the day i own a tank, and i will, mark my words!
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Post by: CrazyCracka420 on October 02, 2013, 07:19:10 pm
You can own a tank in America as well (at least in some states), just as long as there's no functional weaponry on board (well at least not the main gun, pretty sure you could legally mount a legal firearm to it). 
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Post by: AntiBlitz on October 02, 2013, 07:29:44 pm
You can own a tank in America as well (at least in some states), just as long as there's no functional weaponry on board (well at least not the main gun, pretty sure you could legally mount a legal firearm to it).

federal law mandates that the tank must be demilitarized( i already looked into owning one lol).  Demilitarization requires the tank to have all 4 sides of the tanks armor cut in specific spots to expose the tank to other tank fire(just incase you decide to go mobile in your new beast), those holes then can be welded back shut again with metal, just not the armor plating.  The gun barrel must be destroyed by cutting a hole somewhere in the barrel as to not allow you to fire it.  Other than that, everything else is state law, like getting it registered to drive on the streets, or mounting weapons to the vehicle.  As far as im aware, no states actually have laws stating you cannot own one as they are just tracked vehicles. 

Also on a side note, you can also contact the local armories in your area that may have old military equipment.  Those tanks and cannons supplied to VFW's and American Legions are actually given by a government enforced act to display old military equipment.  If you want to display one, you have to have the proper concrete pad to place it on, you must transport the tank, and must dismantle its mobility by either chaining it to the concrete pad, or by dismantling the motor.  Care of the tank is given then to the new "leased" owner which would be you, or the VFW/Legion.
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Post by: Christo on October 02, 2013, 07:42:22 pm
for all you germans

I'm not German, u.u

Whatever, no harm done saying that  :)

Again no harm done, but there's no Czechslovakia anymore, that's why the boston bomb feedbacks on social media were even more hilarious "bomb czechslovakia!" But their tank collectors are insane, really.  :)
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Post by: Kafein on October 02, 2013, 07:49:48 pm
FiveSeven :)
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Post by: Kirman on October 02, 2013, 07:54:54 pm
Now that's weird. They would call me terrorist if i had just one of those pistols at home  :lol:
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Post by: Christo on October 02, 2013, 07:58:15 pm
Now that's weird. They would call me terrorist if i had just one of those pistols at home  :lol:

News would call you terrorist in yurop even if you had a gas pistol.

Hell, in Hungary they labeled a group of AIRSOFTERS as terrorists who are doing combat training. The fuck.
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Post by: Kirman on October 02, 2013, 08:00:30 pm
Actually since the resistance going on in Turkey they are using gas mask as evidence.  Solution: Moving to murica!!
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Post by: Christo on October 02, 2013, 08:13:21 pm
Solution: Moving to murica!!

I don't think moving to the U.S right now is a good idea if you are looking for more personal freedom in the long run.

At least that's what it seems like.
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Post by: Lars on October 02, 2013, 08:18:57 pm
Nice collection you got there, do you also go hunting?

i would like to get a hunting licence soon or later.


edit: sorry, I didn't read your first post, i just looked at the pictures  :wink:


Wow i just read that you got your hunting licence at 13, here you have to be 18+ to get a hunting licence.
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Post by: AntiBlitz on October 02, 2013, 08:37:33 pm
Nice collection you got there, do you also go hunting?

i would like to get a hunting licence soon or later.

I do, i deer hunt mostly, and i do clays as well.  Ive shot deer with the 30/30 Marlin as well as the German Mauser.  I must say, when i shot that poor Bambi with the Mauser, i knocked its socks off, it didnt get back up, so i didnt have to chase it, or shoot it again.  I was quite impressed, from about 60 yards, moving with iron sights, and the rifle being 80 years old, it handled with the quality that it was meant to.

I'm not German, u.u

Whatever, no harm done saying that  :)

Again no harm done, but there's no Czechslovakia anymore, that's why the boston bomb feedbacks on social media were even more hilarious "bomb czechslovakia!" But their tank collectors are insane, really.  :)

i saw a post of you saying Nien when they were speaking about germans, i just labeled you at that point.  I apologize, my eastern european geography is sub par, i couldnt tell you where half the countries are located honestly, have you ever done one of those geography jigsaws?  those things are tough!

FiveSeven :)

yes that is my pride and joy of the handguns, it shoots beautifully, i can shoot at 25 yards and snuff the target out with the best grouping of any handgun i own.  It handles extremely well, low recoil, high capacity magazine(20+1), ergonomically built great, fits my hand very well.  Dat price doh, oh mah gawd, $1300 dollars for a pistols, kinda silly, though the desert eagle is about the same price, and i do plan on getting that as well.

25yards is normally a tough shot for pistols, the short barrel, and small deviations you make can through a shot off course by something like 3 feet with an 1/2 in of movement(dont quote me on that, there is a number, im not sure if the one i provided is correct or not, its close though).


At this point im waiting on more gun nuts to post their pics, i know Anders likes guns, i saw a pic of him drooling over a old Mosin Nagant.  Let me see what you all own as well, im sure someone in here as a few, or maybe more.  Where are all those Russians, im sure they have crate loads of weapons, like they use them as kitchen tables and shit. 
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Maybe i should just change my name to Lord of War!
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Post by: zagibu on October 02, 2013, 09:01:05 pm
I'm not sure if a gun really protects you more than it endangers you. I think it protects you well against unarmed people, but your chance of getting shot is probably higher if both the aggressor and you has a gun.

Also, it only really helps if they want to do harm. If they want to steal, just give them what they want and later call insurance.
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Post by: Clockworkkiller on October 02, 2013, 09:07:10 pm
I'm not sure if a gun really protects you more than it endangers you. I think it protects you well against unarmed people, but your chance of getting shot is probably higher if both the aggressor and you has a gun.

Also, it only really helps if they want to do harm. If they want to steal, just give them what they want and later call insurance.

ummmm.....what? the logical fails in this post is over 9000
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Post by: NuberT on October 02, 2013, 09:07:29 pm
i saw a post of you saying Nien when they were speaking about germans, i just labeled you at that point.  I apologize, my eastern european geography is sub par, i couldnt tell you where half the countries are located honestly, have you ever done one of those geography jigsaws?  those things are tough!

I have increased my geography knowledge a lot with this little flashgame: http://flashgames.de/onlinespiel/countries-world/play

Havn't played it in a year or two, but I still knew where the Seychelles are :mrgreen:
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Post by: Christo on October 02, 2013, 09:07:54 pm
but your chance of getting shot is probably higher if both the aggressor and you has a gun.

lol
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Post by: Xant on October 02, 2013, 09:10:26 pm
I'm not sure if a gun really protects you more than it endangers you. I think it protects you well against unarmed people, but your chance of getting shot is probably higher if both the aggressor and you has a gun.

Also, it only really helps if they want to do harm. If they want to steal, just give them what they want and later call insurance.
Just because you have a gun doesn't mean you have to use it. That's why you carry concealed, not openly. If "the aggressor" is using their gun to actually shoot at people, then your chances of getting killed are obviously higher if you're unarmed...

And you don't know when you're just being robbed, or if the robbery is going to turn into a robbery-murder. A gun also "helps" even if they only just want to rob you. I'd rather keep my stuff than call insurance.
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Post by: Teeth on October 02, 2013, 09:27:20 pm
That is ridiculous. Out of curiousity, what kind of price range are we talking about for the entire collection? I have no clue about prices for firearms.
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Post by: Lt_Anders on October 02, 2013, 09:42:35 pm
Man, that's pretty cool. I sadly only have a Czech Mauser, Russian Mosin, and a Smith and Wesson Hand gun. Step Father has a highly illegal shotgun.

My friend has an entire standard Cold War Era, Communist bloc, weapon set-up though.
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Post by: Clockworkkiller on October 02, 2013, 10:03:39 pm
sorry for the ubershit pic, put that was a quick one i took with my iphone

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bushmaster Ar-15
A CMP M1 Garand 30-06
Another Garand chambered for .308
2 muzzleloaders, ones a percussion cap, another is a flintlock
a rifle in .222
several .22's
and a 12Ga shotgun

handguns(not shown)
2 .22s
a .357 taurus
some 1911 knockoff
and a ruger 9mm

all of my dad's sadly, cant legally own firearms here until your 18
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Post by: Canuck on October 02, 2013, 10:29:33 pm
Been a long time since I've played table hockey!
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Post by: CrazyCracka420 on October 02, 2013, 10:33:57 pm
I prefer foosball, but beggars can't be choosers.
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Post by: AntiBlitz on October 02, 2013, 10:40:58 pm
Man, that's pretty cool. I sadly only have a Czech Mauser, Russian Mosin, and a Smith and Wesson Hand gun. Step Father has a highly illegal shotgun.

My friend has an entire standard Cold War Era, Communist bloc, weapon set-up though.

ya surprisingly i dont own a Mosin, kinda sad really considering how cheap they are.  Legality can be bought lol, as weird as that sounds, if he sawed off the barrel to the shotgun(i'd prolly not show that one off too much), it becomes classified as a class III firearm, which in turn requires you to have a federal firearms license, which would also allow you to purchase "machine guns".


That is ridiculous. Out of curiousity, what kind of price range are we talking about for the entire collection? I have no clue about prices for firearms.

Each rifle can vary in price from around $350-$500, most simple pump shotguns go for around $350-450, unless you buy something quite fancy, the single shot shotguns are about $125-200, and the Franchi is about $400.  Considering i have so many rifles and shotguns im around $4500 dollars in Shotguns, and modern rifles(not including the scopes).  The older rifles are priced at $800 dollars per mauser, the jungle carbine is $850, the m1 carbine was $1300, the old model 94 is about $1500, and the BB gun was $100 smackeroos  :lol:, totaling out at $5350 for the old rifles.  Im not sure what the price would be of that old musket, as i have never had it valued, but id say its quite old lol, prolly worth a pretty penny.  The assault rifles are also quite expensive, the colt is $1500 dollars, and the 5.45 AR is about $1100, the AK was $650, and the High point was the cheapest at $300.  Assault total, $3550.  The pistols are as follow, the FiveSeven was $1300, the M&P 40 was $550, the Taurus is $550, the Star is $300, the M&P 357 is $800 for a total of, $3500.

Rifles/Shotguns=$4500
Old rifles=$5350
Assault Rifles=$3550
Sidearms=$3500
GRAND TOTAL=$16,900

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link is broke!

Been a long time since I've played table hockey!

mine has junk on it lol, i dont get to play it too often

I prefer foosball, but beggars can't be choosers.

I have a air hockey, and pool table.  I'd get a foosball table but then where would i put all my gunz???
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Post by: zagibu on October 03, 2013, 12:05:31 am
Just because you have a gun doesn't mean you have to use it. That's why you carry concealed, not openly. If "the aggressor" is using their gun to actually shoot at people, then your chances of getting killed are obviously higher if you're unarmed...
Of course. But how often does that happen? Even criminals don't randomly shoot people, if they can avoid it. Mostly weapons are not used to kill, but to enforce. In such a situation, a challenge by another weapon might lead to an unnecessary escalation. That's why I think it's better to not have a weapon (or not use it, if you have one and find yourself in such a situation, but if you DO have one, the temptation of pulling it might be too great).

And you don't know when you're just being robbed, or if the robbery is going to turn into a robbery-murder. A gun also "helps" even if they only just want to rob you. I'd rather keep my stuff than call insurance.
Most robberies are not robbery-murders. And what if he pulls while you are threatening him with your gun, and you are distracted or not fast enough? I'd rather have my stuff stolen and replaced by insurance than getting shot at. Then there are the legal consequences of shooting someone. Maybe it was just a teenager with a soft gun? Sure, you probably won't be in trouble even then, but it's still an unnecessary loss of a life.
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Post by: Nightmare798 on October 03, 2013, 12:06:40 am
this is forum version of borderlands.
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Post by: Kalam on October 03, 2013, 12:07:03 am
ya surprisingly i dont own a Mosin, kinda sad really considering how cheap they are.  Legality can be bought lol, as weird as that sounds, if he sawed off the barrel to the shotgun(i'd prolly not show that one off too much), it becomes classified as a class III firearm, which in turn requires you to have a federal firearms license, which would also allow you to purchase "machine guns".

I'm currently on the look out for a Mosin, though I'm also considering the Ruger Mini 14. All depends, I guess, on what I find first. It's weird that I've never encountered any 'round here.
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Post by: Clockworkkiller on October 03, 2013, 12:23:35 am
fixed

like i said, ubershit, would have went more in depth but was in a hurry
but here, maybe i can make it up?

i may not be able to buy guns here, but knives are fair game, plus i find em more useful than firearms
these are the ones i have found lying around me, i got a few more, but im too lazy to look for em
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Post by: AntiBlitz on October 03, 2013, 12:31:36 am
I'm currently on the look out for a Mosin, though I'm also considering the Ruger Mini 14. All depends, I guess, on what I find first. It's weird that I've never encountered any 'round here.

best place are gun meets, idk where you are, but when ive been to them, they are normally there by the crate load, like hundreds of them brand new in the crate with packing grease still on em.

Of course. But how often does that happen? Even criminals don't randomly shoot people, if they can avoid it. Mostly weapons are not used to kill, but to enforce. In such a situation, a challenge by another weapon might lead to an unnecessary escalation. That's why I think it's better to not have a weapon (or not use it, if you have one and find yourself in such a situation, but if you DO have one, the temptation of pulling it might be too great).
Most robberies are not robbery-murders. And what if he pulls while you are threatening him with your gun, and you are distracted or not fast enough? I'd rather have my stuff stolen and replaced by insurance than getting shot at. Then there are the legal consequences of shooting someone. Maybe it was just a teenager with a soft gun? Sure, you probably won't be in trouble even then, but it's still an unnecessary loss of a life.

if u kill em, good riddance, piece of shit just robbed u, he wasnt a good person and paid the ultimate price, one less shit head on the streets.  its like drugs, you think all heroin addicts started just pushing themselves full of heroin? no they started small, pills, weed, etc.  Same can and will be said to the guy who just pulled a "airsoft" pistol on you to rob you for a few bucks. 

Unnecessary escalation? come on, he already has the drop on you if you couldnt draw first, why would you pull yours out when he is a standing a meter from you with a pistol?  There is a thing called common sense, and knowing when you have been beaten, but there is also something called training, shear fucking luck, and determination, i have two and i pray for the other.  Unfortunately im not going to be able to sway your views on the matter, just argue that your point has the absolute validity of a civilian with no knowledge of the matter, and id just advise you staying a citizen. 

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Post by: Christo on October 03, 2013, 12:37:09 am
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I'm all for self defense, but come on, what was the point of shooting him like 6 times there?

Maybe I don't get something. I don't know.
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Post by: AntiBlitz on October 03, 2013, 12:43:44 am
I'm all for self defense, but come on, what was the point of shooting him like 6 times there?

Maybe I don't get something. I don't know.

http://www.policeone.com/patrol-issues/articles/6199620-Why-one-cop-carries-145-rounds-of-ammo-on-the-job/

Because sometimes 1 just isnt enough, ive seen videos of a man shot to ribbons with shotguns, he was arrested and continued to yell at the police on how they didnt kill him even though he was suffering from hundreds of bullet wounds, he didnt die till 10 minutes later from blood loss while in the back of an ambulance.
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Post by: Christo on October 03, 2013, 12:44:27 am
But the officer wasn't attacked in any way?
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Post by: zagibu on October 03, 2013, 12:46:10 am
I'm all for self defense, but come on, what was the point of shooting him like 6 times there?

Maybe I don't get something. I don't know.

Maybe he was a piece of shit that paid the ultimate price. Good riddance, one shit head less on the streets.
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Post by: Xant on October 03, 2013, 12:50:31 am
Of course. But how often does that happen? Even criminals don't randomly shoot people, if they can avoid it. Mostly weapons are not used to kill, but to enforce. In such a situation, a challenge by another weapon might lead to an unnecessary escalation. That's why I think it's better to not have a weapon (or not use it, if you have one and find yourself in such a situation, but if you DO have one, the temptation of pulling it might be too great).
You mean most criminals don't randomly shoot people. I'm not going to leave my life in the hands of a random criminal without having any say in it: I'd rather take my chances with drawing my own gun.


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Most robberies are not robbery-murders. And what if he pulls while you are threatening him with your gun, and you are distracted or not fast enough? I'd rather have my stuff stolen and replaced by insurance than getting shot at. Then there are the legal consequences of shooting someone. Maybe it was just a teenager with a soft gun? Sure, you probably won't be in trouble even then, but it's still an unnecessary loss of a life.
Of course most robberies aren't robbery-murders. But statistics are not a shield. Something being less likely will not make you any less dead. If he pulls while you're threatening him with your gun and you're not fast enough, then you might get shot. This is not a very likely scenario if you are proficient with a firearm and trained at all, but obviously you can construct all kinds of "what if" scenarios. There are risks associated with taking control of your own fate - but at least you are now actively doing something to influence the outcome of the situation, instead of having blind faith on the fact that it's statistically improbable to get murdered. That never helped murder victims.

This is also just talking about robbery situations, for which my philosophy is this: if the robber is clearly a professional, has a steady aim and keeps the proper distance, I'll give him my stuff, because trying something would be suicide. Otherwise, I'm not getting robbed, out of principle. And that is without a gun, things become more problematic for the robber if I'd have a gun, as the second they take their gun off me, I could draw. However, I do not think most people are concerned with robbery. I'd even say it's a footnote. A robbery isn't the scenario that most people carry to protect against.

Legal consequences depend on the state. A lot of the US states have very sensible laws when it comes to that (Stand your ground, castle doctrine, etc.)

If it was a teenager with a soft gun, that's too bad for him. Should have thought about that before robbing people at gunpoint.
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Post by: AntiBlitz on October 03, 2013, 12:56:21 am

But the officer wasn't attacked in any way?

Must you be threatened with force to show force?  Say someone tells you they have a gun, and they plan on killing you, would you not fight back at that point?  In the end, they didnt have a gun, now you are wrong for shooting?  I cant explain what all occurred in the video, there wasnt audio, so we dont know what was said if anything.  But clearly he knew he was going to be robbed by this guy, his motions, actions, and body language was such a dead giveaway, that you already knew who the cop and robber was before anything occurred.  The cop in this instance knew he was going to be robbed and jumped the robber rather then be jumped himself, and persisted in stopping the threatening force.  I couldnt tell you if this was too much force or not, but it surely left the better individual alive in the end, and the trained person had enough restraint to not just start popping off shots and held his fire till he was clear of civilians in the back ground.  I commend him for doing what he needed to do, but without seeing all the evidence i cannot say whether or not he did the right thing from my opinion.

Again, like i stated before, as biased as i am about my views, i dont really wish to have a gun debate with someone who cant understand because their views are extreme, i merely want to just show off my collection, and hope to see yours. 
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Post by: zagibu on October 03, 2013, 01:00:47 am
It would be interesting to see statistics about attempted self defense gone wrong.

Also, I think people from different countries can never agree on this topic, since criminality rates vary wildly. I probably live in one of the safest places on Earth, so I guess that kind of influences my opinion.
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Post by: Xant on October 03, 2013, 01:03:46 am
It doesn't have anything to do with the country. I also live in a statistically safe country when it comes to homicide, but I don't have any "it couldn't happen to me or my close ones" delusions.
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Post by: AntiBlitz on October 03, 2013, 01:09:38 am
It would be interesting to see statistics about attempted self defense gone wrong.

Also, I think people from different countries can never agree on this topic, since criminality rates vary wildly. I probably live in one of the safest places on Earth, so I guess that kind of influences my opinion.

Safety is just an illusion-nary wall constructed by you to tell yourself that nothing can harm you.  I think people as a whole are somewhat too civilized and believe that violence is something of the past, and when confronted with it, they just dont understand how to respond, violence occurs everywhere, no matter where you live, i would really recommend if possible doing a "ride along" with your local law enforcement agency, if they do that sort of thing where you live to really get a feel for what happens in your area.  Nothing says you arent safe like going to a lunatics house and seeing how other people work.

More power to you if you live out in these places, though im not sure if they just dont record their crimerates the same, or they dont have the manpower/funding to cover everything,  I feel like things would be handled by the people rather than law enforcement at times in more rural areas, and from these pictures it seems like they are all rural.
http://www.clicktop10.com/2013/04/top-10-safest-countries-to-live-in-2013/
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Post by: zagibu on October 03, 2013, 01:16:32 am
I see, so people with different opinions are just uninformed. I think it's quite bold of you to extrapolate the situation in foreign countries from your own experiences. I thought you might at least give me that, but it seems guns must be universally good.

And if you seriously think it's okay to shoot someone that tells you he has a gun and is planning to shoot you with it, well, I hope I never meet you.

Also, next time, cite a better source, maybe something like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
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Post by: AntiBlitz on October 03, 2013, 01:27:49 am
I see, so people with different opinions are just uninformed. I think it's quite bold of you to extrapolate the situation in foreign countries from your own experiences. I thought you might at least give me that, but it seems guns must be universally good.

And if you seriously think it's okay to shoot someone that tells you he has a gun and is planning to shoot you with it, well, I hope I never meet you.
im not saying you are uniformed, just not aware of what truly happens, similar to what every other random civilian thinks, i cant really blame anyone for their views, you only see what the media shows you.  I'll try and give an example that maybe relates:

I was dating this girl that lived a town over, she of course lived in what she thought was an upstanding neighborhood, little did she know 2 doors down, her neighbor was a sex offender, her neighbor a block over had an active warrant for burglarizing other homes within the same neighborhood,  and just 2 blocks away was under investigation for robbing a liquor store, and then car jacking an elderly man.  It just goes to show you, she had no idea of the things around her, she was completely oblivious and thought "everything is safe" when ya i guess it was, but is that really safe with those people around you?

as to the someone telling you they have a gun issue, ya if i walk up to you with a smile on my face and say it in a joking manor like we are pals, i understand what you are saying.  But thats not what i meant, im saying you standing at an atm with your back turned, or you working at a store and someone says those things to you.  You dont just naturally turn around and say, "oh you must be joking around".  You normally shit yourself first and then do as they say as to avoid conflict.   

Just as a social expirement, the next time you see a police officer, just walk up to him and tell him you have a loaded handgun and arent afraid to use it, or some other random one liner that instills your intent to harm him with a handgun.  Let me know how it goes for you...
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Post by: zagibu on October 03, 2013, 01:37:40 am
im not saying you are uniformed, just not aware of what truly happens, similar to what every other random civilian thinks, i cant really blame anyone for their views, you only see what the media shows you.  I'll try and give an example that maybe relates:

I was dating this girl that lived a town over, she of course lived in what she thought was an upstanding neighborhood, little did she know 2 doors down, her neighbor was a sex offender, her neighbor a block over had an active warrant for burglarizing other homes within the same neighborhood,  and just 2 blocks away was under investigation for robbing a liquor store, and then car jacking an elderly man.  It just goes to show you, she had no idea of the things around her, she was completely oblivious and thought "everything is safe" when ya i guess it was, but is that really safe with those people around you?

I don't know, how many ppl did she have to shoot on her way to work?


as to the someone telling you they have a gun issue, ya if i walk up to you with a smile on my face and say it in a joking manor like we are pals, i understand what you are saying.  But thats not what i meant, im saying you standing at an atm with your back turned, or you working at a store and someone says those things to you.  You dont just naturally turn around and say, "oh you must be joking around".  You normally shit yourself first and then do as they say as to avoid conflict.   

Just as a social expirement, the next time you see a police officer, just walk up to him and tell him you have a loaded handgun and arent afraid to use it, or some other random one liner that instills your intent to harm him with a handgun.  Let me know how it goes for you...

I can tell you one thing with absolute certainty: He won't shoot me.
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Post by: AntiBlitz on October 03, 2013, 01:47:00 am
I don't know, how many ppl did she have to shoot on her way to work?


I can tell you one thing with absolute certainty: He won't shoot me.
you dont know that.....

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  ^ your post is quite invalid at this point

I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but since you cant understand you can just leave, not sure why you are here anyways.
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Post by: zagibu on October 03, 2013, 01:51:01 am
See, and that's why I said the thing about different countries. Cops here are very different from your cops apparently. But you are right, it is time to leave, because I can see you don't value any discussion at all.

It is quite interesting, though, that pro gun people also usually seem to have a natural claim to being right all the time. Might makes right, I guess?
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Post by: Swaggart on October 03, 2013, 01:55:10 am
It doesn't matter about different cultures. Everyone makes a flight or fight reaction when their life is at stake. Generally speaking, if you make the sort of implication that Antiblitz said towards a cop, he would draw his weapon and tell you lay flat on your stomach (or whatever the search procedure is in your country). One sudden, even if accidental, movement is all you have to do before that fight switch kicks in and he fires.
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Post by: Lt_Anders on October 03, 2013, 01:56:12 am
best place are gun meets, idk where you are, but when ive been to them, they are normally there by the crate load, like hundreds of them brand new in the crate with packing grease still on em.

I got my mosin, $160. Now you can't buy for less than $250. Even the ammo in 500 rounds is bloody 250 again. I could get it for 170...

you dont know that.....

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  ^ your post is quite invalid at this point

I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but since you cant understand you can just leave, not sure why you are here anyways.

About that video...I agree with it Cops should wear video cameras.
http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2013-05-01/story/man-shot-11-times-jacksonville-police-what-chief-calls-suicide-cop

Now this was overkill:
http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2010-03-26/story/jacksonville-police-kill-robbery-suspect-wound-carjack-victims

Sadly, the cops here are a bit trigger happy. Any cop shooting involves no less than 1 clip of ammo expended per officer.
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Post by: AntiBlitz on October 03, 2013, 02:16:10 am
See, and that's why I said the thing about different countries. Cops here are very different from your cops apparently. But you are right, it is time to leave, because I can see you don't value any discussion at all.

It is quite interesting, though, that pro gun people also usually seem to have a natural claim to being right all the time. Might makes right, I guess?

id love to have a conversation about guns, but you refuse to be wrong, even when wrong, those cops from my perspective were in the wrong, im sure you see it the same way.  Like i said you cant truly comment on something without having been there or done it.  Its like me talking about European football, though i know what it is, ive never seen it, maybe it differs from american soccer, idk, but how can i make an educated comment, when im in fact not educated on the matter, and my views are only subject of opinion.  I cant say without knowing you, but ill make the assumption.


It doesn't matter about different cultures. Everyone makes a flight or fight reaction when their life is at stake. Generally speaking, if you make the sort of implication that Antiblitz said towards a cop, he would draw his weapon and tell you lay flat on your stomach (or whatever the search procedure is in your country). One sudden, even if accidental, movement is all you have to do before that fight switch kicks in and he fires.

there is a buncha videos, im not sure if you can find them all on youtube, though they have a ton on there of cops shooting people who decided to pull out things like combs, icescrapers, or cell phones when a cop was pointing a gun at them, and were shot for it.


I got my mosin, $160. Now you can't buy for less than $250. Even the ammo in 500 rounds is bloody 250 again. I could get it for 170...

ya in the 90's mosins and alot of other firearms were quite cheap to acquire, however since then they have gone up in price substantially.  i havent see any mosins for less than $250 without some sort of random defect, like a cut in the stock or something.

One of the firearms id really like to acquire, though it will never happen, is the French Famas, it was originally imported by i think century arms in the 80's and they brought a few hundred of them into the country before the imported assault weapon ban came into place.  Its just so unique, and i really would like to add a bullpup style firearm to the collection, though their are others, this one was introduced to me when i was a youngster playing Metal Gear on the playstation lol back in the day.
Title: Re: Guns, Guns, and more Guns, Hosted by Inbred Redneck AntiBlitz Ameritrash
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 03, 2013, 02:21:44 am
I like AR's, but I'd rather not own any. I prefer Rifles, Semi-Autos, and Shotguns.

I'm not buying anymore weaponary until I move out of where I am. The lady doesn't like guns, and me owning 3 is super super  :evil: for her.

Also, I edited that post Anti with stuff about the cop/pull/etc discussion.

BTW this is my Mosin:
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Title: Re: Guns, Guns, and more Guns, Hosted by Inbred Redneck AntiBlitz Ameritrash
Post by: Grumbs on October 03, 2013, 02:26:32 am
Underage anime avatar, gun fascination, plays video games...future serial killer?
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Post by: Christo on October 03, 2013, 02:48:49 am
Underage anime avatar, gun fascination, plays video games...future serial killer?

If we go by FOX News standards, yes.
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Post by: Duster on October 03, 2013, 03:31:23 am
Lots of complacent ignorance going on in this thread. I'll just put in my two cents saying that I can't imagine that a couple of the posters in this thread would have the same opinion if they were put into a situation where their life is outside their control.

I've had a gun pulled on me before, and it was one of the worst experiences of my life. It wasn't a situation I could have seen coming and avoided, it wasn't because of agitation on my part, it wasn't even because I was being robbed.

It was then I decided that as soon as it's practical for me, I am going to carry a weapon. Not because I'm scared of the boogeyman robber/shooter/kidnapper or whatever, it's not because I want to shoot people, it's because I want to be prepared.

And if you seriously think it's okay to shoot someone that tells you he has a gun and is planning to shoot you with it, well, I hope I never meet you.

If someone seriously threatens my life, my family's life, or my property, you can be damn sure I'll do all within my power to stop it. It's every man and woman's right.

Title: Re: Guns, Guns, and more Guns, Hosted by Inbred Redneck AntiBlitz Ameritrash
Post by: no_rules_just_play on October 03, 2013, 05:14:35 am
FN P90 and FN F2000 pure belgian craftmanship
Title: Re: Guns, Guns, and more Guns, Hosted by Inbred Redneck AntiBlitz Ameritrash
Post by: Christo on October 03, 2013, 05:39:51 am
FN P90 and FN F2000 pure belgian craftmanship

I see someone likes bullet hoses  :P
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Post by: no_rules_just_play on October 03, 2013, 05:42:20 am
pew pew

also, as non-'murrican i have never touched a gun, not even been close to one. yurop!
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Post by: Christo on October 03, 2013, 05:56:24 am
pew pew

also, as non-'murrican i have never touched a gun, not even been close to one. yurop!

I did, but it was a not operating AK-46 (I think) and RPK, it was great to hold them though.

Never fired a gun though
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Post by: Duster on October 03, 2013, 06:32:22 am
Well I'll be moving to England this March, so I'll be able to experience this magical land of cotton candy forests called Europe soon enough  :D. What are the gun laws like there?
Title: Re: Guns, Guns, and more Guns, Hosted by Inbred Redneck AntiBlitz Ameritrash
Post by: Christo on October 03, 2013, 06:32:49 am
What are the gun laws like there?

no guns
Title: Re: Guns, Guns, and more Guns, Hosted by Inbred Redneck AntiBlitz Ameritrash
Post by: Tibe on October 03, 2013, 06:56:41 am
As a dumb euroboy that I am, I will never understand how some people consider such a large arsenal on firearms a completely normal thing and a law that acctually allows such things totally legit. I mean can you really blame me?  A single random civilian owning such heat shocks us basically similar to if you gunnut americans found out that some country allowed every household to own mininukes.
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Post by: Kafein on October 03, 2013, 09:21:53 am
FN P90 and FN F2000 pure belgian craftmanship

Belgian firearms : sci-fi features (autoaiming grenade launcher on the F2000), bullet hoses, awkward to reload, costs triple as much as the competition.
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Post by: Kafein on October 03, 2013, 09:25:19 am
I'm all for self defense, but come on, what was the point of shooting him like 6 times there?

Maybe I don't get something. I don't know.

I finally get why cops in GTA keep shooting at you after you die, it's realistic !
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Post by: Xant on October 03, 2013, 09:57:22 am
As a dumb euroboy that I am, I will never understand how some people consider such a large arsenal on firearms a completely normal thing and a law that acctually allows such things totally legit. I mean can you really blame me?  A single random civilian owning such heat shocks us basically similar to if you gunnut americans found out that some country allowed every household to own mininukes.
And I'll never understand why some people consider "a large arsenal" any more dangerous than a single firearm. And if it isn't any more dangerous, why wouldn't it be "normal"?
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Post by: Kafein on October 03, 2013, 10:39:59 am
I don't think there's much difference between a collection of firearms and a collection of anything else.
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Post by: Gnjus on October 03, 2013, 10:46:46 am
Like i said you cant truly comment on something without having been there or done it.


Yes you can, just look at Xant.


Nice arsenal there but you should really change that avatar.
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Post by: Xant on October 03, 2013, 11:47:25 am

Yes you can, just look at Xant.
Indeed, my trenchant intelligence allows me to take part in many a conversation despite having little to no experience of the subject in practice.

Alas, seeing as I have more experience with firearms than most people in this thread, your stab in the dark makes you look all but perspicacious.
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Post by: Son Of Odin on October 03, 2013, 12:05:56 pm
Nice collection. Must have cost shitton of money too.

I have the two most important zombie apocalypse survival weapons (lol, really just best for my kind of hunting like foxes, wood grouse, willow grouse and other small game). A 22lr Sako rifle with silencer and a Lanber 12 gauge semi-auto. Might have gone with pump action on the shotgun, but I got that Lanber so cheap I couldn't really resist. I just restored and mildly modified the wooden stocks. Then cleaned the whole thing from bottom to top. Better than new. Makes really nice pattern with full choke.

Really should get another rifle next time since now I hunt moose too and have to borrow my father's gun for that. Thinking maybe .30-06 or .308win... Those are by far the most common ones here so the ammunition is cheaper to buy, especially with .308win. A .30-06 has more desirable trajectory and force to stop an animal as big as a moose. On the other hand with full metal jacket .308win you can still shoot a wood grouse without it exploding to thumb sized bits so it's not that easy to choose between these two.

inb4 "hunting is wrong", oh shut up you eat meat too.
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Post by: Gnjus on October 03, 2013, 12:12:20 pm
Indeed, my trenchant intelligence allows me to take part in many a conversation despite having little to no experience of the subject in practice.

Alas, seeing as I have more experience with firearms than most people in this thread, your stab in the dark makes you look all but perspicacious.


Looks to me that during your absence from this forum something big happened to you, maybe they "manned you up" in the army or something like that, so you've returned full of bitterness and more "intelligent" then ever, only to start splashing it randomly across the forum. No worries boy, the wounds will heal with time, at least the physical ones.
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Post by: Xant on October 03, 2013, 12:14:35 pm
but the mental scarring never goes away
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Post by: Kafein on October 03, 2013, 12:26:34 pm
Nice collection. Must have cost shitton of money too.

I have the two most important zombie apocalypse survival weapons (lol, really just best for my kind of hunting like foxes, wood grouse, willow grouse and other small game). A 22lr Sako rifle with silencer and a Lanber 12 gauge semi-auto. Might have gone with pump action on the shotgun, but I got that Lanber so cheap I couldn't really resist. I just restored and mildly modified the wooden stocks. Then cleaned the whole thing from bottom to top. Better than new. Makes really nice pattern with full choke.

Really should get another rifle next time since now I hunt moose too and have to borrow my father's gun for that. Thinking maybe .30-06 or .308win... Those are by far the most common ones here so the ammunition is cheaper to buy, especially with .308win. A .30-06 has more desirable trajectory and force to stop an animal as big as a moose. On the other hand with full metal jacket .308win you can still shoot a wood grouse without it exploding to thumb sized bits so it's not that easy to choose between these two.

inb4 "hunting is wrong", oh shut up you eat meat too.

Hunting is mostly fine. Sometimes it isn't. I'm not a very cowardly person in debates. Silencers are legal ?
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Post by: Son Of Odin on October 03, 2013, 12:59:20 pm
Hunting is mostly fine. Sometimes it isn't. I'm not a very cowardly person in debates. Silencers are legal ?

Well, I agree that there is some ways of hunting that are not cool. Mostly they are the ones that put the animal through unnecessary pain like some old (fox) trapping techniques and such.

Yes silencers are legal in Finland. I mean why wouldn't they be? Of course it makes a 22lr completely silent, but with bigger rifles like .30-06 it's a must have imo. It doesn't make big rifles completely silent. In fact they are still pretty loud but it reduces the sound level enough so it doesn't damage your hearing even if you have to shoot without wearing ear protection (which is sometimes difficult while hunting because you have to be able to hear things before you actually see the target). Also it reduces recoil, which is good when using bigger firearms. Maybe it's better to use word "suppressor" instead of "silencer".
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Post by: Utrakil on October 03, 2013, 01:08:49 pm
Well I'll be moving to England this March, so I'll be able to experience this magical land of cotton candy forests called Europe soon enough  :D. What are the gun laws like there?
Fun fact for you: in England even the bobbies (cops) have no firearms.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19641398 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19641398)
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Post by: AntiBlitz on October 03, 2013, 02:11:15 pm
Hunting is mostly fine. Sometimes it isn't. I'm not a very cowardly person in debates. Silencers are legal ?

they go by "suppressor" as silencing isnt really possible, most states allow suppressors to be owned, In the state of Maryland, you must file for a suppressor stamp, which is like $100 bucks, in the paperwork you mst explain the reasoning behind why you need such a tool, and as long as you dont put something stupid on the paper, you normally will get the stamp, and they will record you owning one similar to a sidearm/assault rifle.  Once filed, you renew it like every 3 years or something like that for like $50 bucks, but its the price you pay to own a suppressor.

Nice collection. Must have cost shitton of money too.

I have the two most important zombie apocalypse survival weapons (lol, really just best for my kind of hunting like foxes, wood grouse, willow grouse and other small game). A 22lr Sako rifle with silencer and a Lanber 12 gauge semi-auto. Might have gone with pump action on the shotgun, but I got that Lanber so cheap I couldn't really resist. I just restored and mildly modified the wooden stocks. Then cleaned the whole thing from bottom to top. Better than new. Makes really nice pattern with full choke.

Really should get another rifle next time since now I hunt moose too and have to borrow my father's gun for that. Thinking maybe .30-06 or .308win... Those are by far the most common ones here so the ammunition is cheaper to buy, especially with .308win. A .30-06 has more desirable trajectory and force to stop an animal as big as a moose. On the other hand with full metal jacket .308win you can still shoot a wood grouse without it exploding to thumb sized bits so it's not that easy to choose between these two.

inb4 "hunting is wrong", oh shut up you eat meat too.

30-06 has a very flatline projectory, not good for heavy brush shooting, not to mention if using soft tipped ammo, you will blow a hole on the exit wound the size of a grapefruit.  Im not too familiar with the 308, though that is just as large a round, considering that does 308 come in anything but bolt action?  all of my 30-06 are either pump or semi auto, which let me tell you, my pops shot 3 deer last year with the 30-06 when they came out all at once, was a good shot, but the rifle was what really made the difference.

i think in the last few pages i tallied up the cost to just short of $17,000.  Some of the firearms i purchased for like $50 dollars cuz someone was getting rid of it, or they were going to throw it out lol.  Idk if thats legal or not to throw away a gun, but i bought it or had taken it for free and get a couple hundred dollar gun for next to nothing.

FN P90 and FN F2000 pure belgian craftmanship

i'd like the F2000 just for the bullpup design, im intrigued by bullpups, the design is soooo  exotic i guess, its not something u see in most firearms.  Only problem is, it cost around $2,000 to purchase.  Though the P90 would be cool the problem with it is most states require a barrel length of i believe 18 inches and no shorter, so you have this compact gun, but a long barrel sticking out the front of it that just doesnt make sense.  Cool fact on it though, when they first sold the P90 to civilians, they didnt have the long barrel, and a few people blew their fingers off by putting them over the barrel by accident.

As a dumb euroboy that I am, I will never understand how some people consider such a large arsenal on firearms a completely normal thing and a law that acctually allows such things totally legit. I mean can you really blame me?  A single random civilian owning such heat shocks us basically similar to if you gunnut americans found out that some country allowed every household to own mininukes.

blame England, they made us this way, you think you can tax our tea and get away with it!


Yes you can, just look at Xant.


Nice arsenal there but you should really change that avatar.

whats wrong with her?  do you not like Smash girl?(she isnt anime btw)

Fun fact for you: in England even the bobbies (cops) have no firearms.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19641398 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19641398)

unfortunately we supplied our police forces with sidearms and shotguns, then events like this happened spurring this need to essentially militarize our police force in a sense, because if civilians can get this, then the police need something to counter it.  Im not sure what happened to the policeman in england but that would be a sad day if he was unarmed and murdered by someone when responding to a call.

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Post by: Draeth on October 03, 2013, 02:47:06 pm
mosins are so fun to shoot, you should definitly look into getting one
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Post by: Teeth on October 03, 2013, 02:54:30 pm
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This is your video to prove your point about unnecessary escalation? What the flying fuck, he just murdered a dude without any physical threat. I would put this murderous psycho behind bars for a long time. I don't give a fuck how much money someone is trying to steal from you, this is unnecessary escalation.

Glad I don't live in a country where people have such ideas about self defense, or property defense. God. Also, cops in my country will only open fire when a gun is aimed at or near them, whenever an officer shoots someone, a police investigation will investigate the entire shooting, including the conduct of the officer and if he did not act according to the guidelines punishment is severe. Also, someone running away here gets shot in the legs, and only after a warning shot has been fired. Keep telling yourself that American morals towards guns and killing people with guns are good, while I enjoy the low death by firearm rate in my country. Meritards.


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Post by: Tibe on October 03, 2013, 03:11:01 pm
I always figured they gave everybody guns there to keep the king of England off their lawn, but were too scared to ask them back later. I always like how Xants main argument is "bad guys get guns anyway, no matter what law!" So the point of this whole argument is really that laws dont count for shit. If this is true, why do we even have laws? There is a fine line between a person who is acctually planning to kill you for reals and someone who is turning you into a unlucky innocent bystander.
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Post by: AntiBlitz on October 03, 2013, 03:18:44 pm
mosins are so fun to shoot, you should definitly look into getting one

my friend owns one, it has a fold up bayonet on it lol, it is just obnoxiously loud in comparison to my mauser, the russians must have all been deaf after shooting them around one another.

This is your video to prove your point about unnecessary escalation? What the flying fuck, he just murdered a dude without any physical threat. I would put this murderous psycho behind bars for a long time. I don't give a fuck how much money someone is trying to steal from you, this is unnecessary escalation.

Glad I don't live in a country where people have such ideas about self defense, or property defense. God.

i did say i had no idea of the circumstances of the video, but he quite clearly knew he was about to be robbed, so he intended to stop the robber before he was going to be harmed, would it had changed ur views knowing the robber had a gun?  probably, what if he had a knife? probably, why let someone harm you before action must be taken, that view is the same reason that people think a person cant be shot in the back, "oh they were running away from you" yet they are holding a gun, the threat of violence is still there, does this change the circumstances? can one not shoot them now, because their back is turned?  Even i will admit, like i did earlier, i dont know the full story of the events, it looks honestly quite crude lol, he just looks like a maniac shooting at someone fleeing, but he probably would have looked the same way if it was reverse rolled.  Either way i cant please everyone, and people will have different opinions, and you are completely entitled to having that opinion, is it wrong? i dont think so, we have no idea what all occurred, but ill just say my opinion is ill be damned if im going to let someone rob me, and im not going to wait on the gentleman to waive a gun in my face before i decide that i should bring my gun to the fight.

Sorry Teeth i tried searching for the news release on this, but i didnt find anything, maybe im just a bad searcher lol, idk, but if you find it, then id gladly discuss this.


I always figured they gave everybody guns there to keep the king of England off their lawn, but were too scared to ask them back later. I always like how Xants main argument is "bad guys get guns anyway, no matter what law!" So the point of this whole argument is really that laws dont count for shit. If this is true, why do we even have laws? There is a fine line between a person who is acctually planning to kill you for reals and someone who is turning you into a unlucky innocent bystander.

we have laws to keep the peaceful people in check, because the bad people dont care.  Here is a little phrase i learned, it pretty much sums up this, "Locks are meant to keep an Honest man Honest", if the bad guy decides he wants in, he will get in.  But if the honest man wants in, he will just wait for the man with the key to open the door.


EDITED: just to put further concrete on my opinion, this is case law, you cant argue with it, this is just how it is.

 Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985)[1], was a case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that under the Fourth Amendment, when a law enforcement officer is pursuing a fleeing suspect, he or she may use deadly force only to prevent escape if the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others, oh and robbery isnt a misdemeanor lol.
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Post by: AntiBlitz on October 03, 2013, 03:22:24 pm
Double posted again trying to modify, im a terrible person.
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Post by: Xant on October 03, 2013, 03:48:35 pm
I always figured they gave everybody guns there to keep the king of England off their lawn, but were too scared to ask them back later. I always like how Xants main argument is "bad guys get guns anyway, no matter what law!" So the point of this whole argument is really that laws dont count for shit. If this is true, why do we even have laws? There is a fine line between a person who is acctually planning to kill you for reals and someone who is turning you into a unlucky innocent bystander.
My argument never was that laws do not count for anything.
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Post by: Son Of Odin on October 03, 2013, 04:44:15 pm
I think the flat line trajectory is what I would really prefer from 30-06 over 308win. Soft tip rounds are the only ones that are legal to shoot a moose with. And for what I've seen a 30-06 doesn't always even come through (depending how close you were ofc). These motherfuckers are a bit bigger than deers :D.

I don't know much about 308win semi-auto or pump action rifles. Especially the pump action on rifles seem a bit silly to me. I guess that's just one of these Amurican things when it comes to firearms. Love the Winchester lever action rifles tho and like to shoot them but I swear by the bolt action ones for hunting, absolutely. The best rifles when it comes to accuracy and reliability = bolt action. There should be no debate about it :P

The other thing about lever action and pump action rifles is that they are really not good to shoot when you're laying down. You have to turn or lift the gun in order to reload and that costs you time in re-positioning.
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Post by: Lt_Anders on October 03, 2013, 05:25:10 pm
my friend owns one, it has a fold up bayonet on it lol, it is just obnoxiously loud in comparison to my mauser, the russians must have all been deaf after shooting them around one another.

That's not a mosin. That's a Chinese SKS. Mosins have Socket Bayonets only. My friend owns both(and I own a Mosin) so I know.

Also, Mauser shoots a slightly bigger round that a Mosin. 7.56X54r compared to 7.92x57(8mm Mauser more common)

Speaking of Mosins:
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F3MOSIN9130&name=Russian+1891%2f30+7.62x54R+Mosin+Nagant+Rifle&groupid=730&fprdct=1

That's pretty cheap. About what I got mine for.(that website I used to buy ammo from)
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Post by: AntiBlitz on October 03, 2013, 09:35:35 pm
That's not a mosin. That's a Chinese SKS. Mosins have Socket Bayonets only. My friend owns both(and I own a Mosin) so I know.

Also, Mauser shoots a slightly bigger round that a Mosin. 7.56X54r compared to 7.92x57(8mm Mauser more common)

well thanks, i didnt know, he just claimed it was a mosin, and he shoots 7.56x54r, so i just assumed without really looking at it.


Glad I don't live in a country where people have such ideas about self defense, or property defense. God. Also, cops in my country will only open fire when a gun is aimed at or near them, whenever an officer shoots someone, a police investigation will investigate the entire shooting, including the conduct of the officer and if he did not act according to the guidelines punishment is severe. Also, someone running away here gets shot in the legs, and only after a warning shot has been fired. Keep telling yourself that American morals towards guns and killing people with guns are good, while I enjoy the low death by firearm rate in my country. Meritards.


im sorry what? where did you get all this misinformation from?  i barely want to comment back, just because im overwhelmed by the shear stupidity in this post.  Nobody is trained to shoot someone in the legs, nobody is trained to fire warning shots(you are liable for every shot fired, firing into the air to tell someone not to shoot, or you are about to fire even sounds stupid as well), yes internal investigations are standard procedure for use of force policies, some agencies will even ask outside agencies to perform them, so that they cannot be held liable for people saying "it was swept under the rug".  This is exactly the type of constant misinformation that not only you, but every citizen has, you have not a clue, your full of movie drama, and misconceptions.  Congratulations on being completely wrong, please bring forward some sort of evidence stating they have been trained to shoot people in the legs, because as far as im trained, if im bringing out my sidearm, its for a reason, and im not going to shoot them in the legs, im shooting to neutralize a threat.

Bam case law: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_v._Connor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_v._Garner
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Post by: Clockworkkiller on October 03, 2013, 09:56:36 pm
i'd like the F2000 just for the bullpup design, im intrigued by bullpups, the design is soooo  exotic i guess, its not something u see in most firearms.  Only problem is, it cost around $2,000 to purchase.  Though the P90 would be cool the problem with it is most states require a barrel length of i believe 18 inches and no shorter, so you have this compact gun, but a long barrel sticking out the front of it that just doesnt make sense.  Cool fact on it though, when they first sold the P90 to civilians, they didnt have the long barrel, and a few people blew their fingers off by putting them over the barrel by accident.

http://www.fnhusa.com/l/products/carbines/ps90-standard/ (http://www.fnhusa.com/l/products/carbines/ps90-standard/)

meh, never handled a P90 (doubt i ever will) but it seems like nothing more than a crappy plastic "lightweight > everything" gun, be careful when holding it, it may fall apart....

I don't know much about 308win semi-auto or pump action rifles. Especially the pump action on rifles seem a bit silly to me. I guess that's just one of these Amurican things when it comes to firearms. Love the Winchester lever action rifles tho and like to shoot them but I swear by the bolt action ones for hunting, absolutely. The best rifles when it comes to accuracy and reliability = bolt action. There should be no debate about it :P

we have a M1 Garand chambered for .308, apparently the U.S military was experimenting with other rounds beside the 30-06. We got ours as a gift from the grandparents, who i think got it from the CMP, but since your in Finland, doubt this would help you one bit, lol


ima start saving my pennies so i can buy a Ruger 10/22
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Post by: Utrakil on October 03, 2013, 09:57:38 pm



im sorry what? where did you get all this misinformation from?  i barely want to comment back, just because im overwhelmed by the shear stupidity in this post.  Nobody is trained to shoot someone in the legs, nobody is trained to fire warning shots(you are liable for every shot fired, firing into the air to tell someone not to shoot, or you are about to fire even sounds stupid as well), yes internal investigations are standard procedure for use of force policies, some agencies will even ask outside agencies to perform them, so that they cannot be held liable for people saying "it was swept under the rug".  This is exactly the type of constant misinformation that not only you, but every citizen has, you have not a clue, your full of movie drama, and misconceptions.  Congratulations on being completely wrong, please bring forward some sort of evidence stating they have been trained to shoot people in the legs, because as far as im trained, if im bringing out my sidearm, its for a reason, and im not going to shoot them in the legs, im shooting to neutralize a threat.


I guess you overread that Teeth was talking about his country! And what he says sounds very familliar to me (guess we come from the same eurocountry). So yes I am happy too to live in a country where cops try to use their firearms in a nonlethal way. Actually I am very surprised that US cops don't even try to spare a life( according to your post).
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Post by: AntiBlitz on October 03, 2013, 10:05:52 pm
http://www.fnhusa.com/l/products/carbines/ps90-standard/ (http://www.fnhusa.com/l/products/carbines/ps90-standard/)

meh, never handled a P90 (doubt i ever will) but it seems like nothing more than a crappy plastic "lightweight > everything" gun, be careful when holding it, it may fall apart....

ima start saving my pennies so i can buy a Ruger 10/22

most weapons nowadays are going to Polymer, its lighter and easier to construct(also cheaper), so in turn alot of companies are going to polymer for everything but the most crucial parts, ie, the slide, barrel, and pretty much all the internal parts like little springs and such.

22lr is probably the best range gun, since ammunition is so cheap, you can buy boxes of 1,000 rounds for a few pieces of lint and string in your pocket.

I guess you overread that Teeth was talking about his country! And what he says sounds very familliar to me (guess we come from the same eurocountry). So yes I am happy too to live in a country where cops try to use their firearms in a nonlethal way. Actually I am very surprised that US cops don't even try to spare a live( according to your post).

I guess you didnt read my post either, the part where i asked the same thing im about to ask again, please bring forward evidence showing that British police are trained to shoot people in the legs, i would be interested in this as it doesnt make any fucking sense or that they shoot into the sky as a warning shot, which btw also doesnt make any fucking sense.

Im not going to continue beating a dead horse, but we dont just recklessly shoot everyone, and hope they die, but this is the things that you will knit pick out when you are grabbing for anything to troll with.
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Post by: Utrakil on October 03, 2013, 10:26:46 pm
For you AntiBlitz:
Hard to find info about german law in english language. but here is some evidence for the warning shot.
http://gawker.com/5909283/german-police-really-dont-like-shooting-at-people-used-only-85-bullets-last-year (http://gawker.com/5909283/german-police-really-dont-like-shooting-at-people-used-only-85-bullets-last-year)

"Statistics compiled by the German Police University show that German police officers fired a total of 49 warning shots and 36 shots aimed at individuals while pursuing suspects last year. From those incidents, 15 people were injured, and six were killed."
[in 2011]

You see warning shots are used more often than aimed shots.

I will keep looking for some english proof for legshots
Maybe you find some translator for this german site. it states some rules about firearm usage for police:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffengebrauch_der_Polizei_in_Deutschland

By the way is there a guidebook for US cops or whatever you are about how to use their firearm?
I would really apreciate if you could share a copy or link.
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Post by: Teeth on October 03, 2013, 10:34:29 pm
im sorry what? where did you get all this misinformation from?  i barely want to comment back, just because im overwhelmed by the shear stupidity in this post.  Nobody is trained to shoot someone in the legs, nobody is trained to fire warning shots(you are liable for every shot fired, firing into the air to tell someone not to shoot, or you are about to fire even sounds stupid as well), yes internal investigations are standard procedure for use of force policies, some agencies will even ask outside agencies to perform them, so that they cannot be held liable for people saying "it was swept under the rug".  This is exactly the type of constant misinformation that not only you, but every citizen has, you have not a clue, your full of movie drama, and misconceptions.  Congratulations on being completely wrong, please bring forward some sort of evidence stating they have been trained to shoot people in the legs, because as far as im trained, if im bringing out my sidearm, its for a reason, and im not going to shoot them in the legs, im shooting to neutralize a threat.
Misinformation? Not having a clue? I am being wrong? You turd, this is information I took right of the official website of the Dutch police, outlining how and when they are allowed to use weapons, which is what I described. This is literally how my country's law enforcement uses guns and I am damn satisfied with these regulations.

http://www.politie.nl/onderwerpen/schietincident.html

That is my source, hope your Dutch is good. Who's stupid now?
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Post by: Lt_Anders on October 03, 2013, 11:04:02 pm
Wait, EURO cops actually gotta carry guns? I thought they were all like da british cops and didn't carry guns cause europe is so safe.

I do believe that someone posted stats before where in EU, you suffer more knife stabbings(significantly more) than US suffers Gunshot wounds, but the US ones are more fatal.

I do remember when reading a travel site about visiting the US, one of the most interesting things I found was the Law Enforcement section.
Quote
American police are generally polite, professional, and honest. When in uniform, they are also more formal, cautious, and cold than police in, say, Latin America—especially in large cities. If stopped by the police, you should stay calm, be polite and cooperative, avoid making sudden movements, and state what you are doing if you need to reach for your purse or wallet to present your identification. Often police will ask you to keep your hands out of your pockets while speaking to them. This is for security and is in no way meant to be offensive. American police officers are always armed while on duty. Turn on the inside car lights and keep your hands on the wheel to make it clear that you are not a threat. Do not exit the vehicle unless told to do so. If you follow the officer's instructions, you will probably not be arrested (unless you have actually committed a crime or resemble someone who recently committed one in the immediate vicinity).

Do not offer bribes to a police officer in any way or under any circumstances. U.S. police culture categorically rejects bribes. The mere suggestion would very likely result in your immediate arrest. If you need to pay a fine, the officer can direct you to the appropriate police station, courthouse, or government office. Most minor traffic infractions can be paid by mail. Don't even think about paying a fine directly to the officer who issued it, since this will probably be interpreted as a bribe.

http://wikitravel.org/en/Main_Page
Pretty neat page. Gives you some info about your own country you probably would never look at.
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Post by: AntiBlitz on October 03, 2013, 11:24:52 pm
Misinformation? Not having a clue? I am being wrong? You turd, this is information I took right of the official website of the Dutch police, outlining how and when they are allowed to use weapons, which is what I described. This is literally how my country's law enforcement uses guns and I am damn satisfied with these regulations.

http://www.politie.nl/onderwerpen/schietincident.html

That is my source, hope your Dutch is good. Who's stupid now?


For you AntiBlitz:
Hard to find info about german law in english language. but here is some evidence for the warning shot.
http://gawker.com/5909283/german-police-really-dont-like-shooting-at-people-used-only-85-bullets-last-year (http://gawker.com/5909283/german-police-really-dont-like-shooting-at-people-used-only-85-bullets-last-year)

"Statistics compiled by the German Police University show that German police officers fired a total of 49 warning shots and 36 shots aimed at individuals while pursuing suspects last year. From those incidents, 15 people were injured, and six were killed."
[in 2011]

You see warning shots are used more often than aimed shots.

I will keep looking for some english proof for legshots
Maybe you find some translator for this german site. it states some rules about firearm usage for police:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffengebrauch_der_Polizei_in_Deutschland

By the way is there a guidebook for US cops or whatever you are about how to use their firearm?
I would really apreciate if you could share a copy or link.

The problem with pulling policy and procedure manuals is that they are on a internal link, and i cant post it, though i have a hard copy you could look at.  The other problem is too is that the policy is done based upon the agencies policies which can vary from agency to agency, and state to state.  So what is fine in maryland, isnt in Texas.  I spoke from experience, and honestly am shocked that they allow such a thing, considering that things like this happen(posted below), firing a warning shot is just silly in nature, and doesnt make sense, and shooting a gun doesnt seem like it would change anything except expending the gun with a loud bang(and possibly killing innocent people).  Let me also just say, how the fuck was i supposed to find that, i searched for british stuff, and secondly, i cant read foreign languages lol.  But i will say, yes i am wrong, and stand corrected, if thats what it even states, considering for all i know this could be a uniform policy or something silly.  Im sure after the first person dies from warning shot fire, that the policy will be changed, extreme events must occur before things change unfortunately.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ohio-freak-death-man-fires-gun-air-bullet-travels-mile-kills-15-year-old-amish-girl-article-1.994626
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/va-boys-death-puts-focus-celebratory-gunshots
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2356851/Seven-year-old-boy-dies-hit-stray-bullet-fired-air-walked-July-4-fireworks-display.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-mom-gets-20-years-for-firing-warning-shots/

    July 4, 2013: A 7-year old boy, Brendon Mackey, was struck in the top of his head and killed while walking with his father shortly before 9 p.m. amid a large crowd prior to the fireworks display over the Swift Creek Reservoir.
    July 4, 2012: A 34-year woman, Michelle Packard, was struck in the head and killed while watching the fireworks with her family. The police believe the shot could have come from a mile away.
    January 1, 2010: A four-year-old boy, Marquel Peters, was struck by a bullet and killed inside his church The Church of God of Prophecy in Decatur, GA. It is presumed the bullet may have penetrated the roof of the church around 12:20AM.
    December 28, 2005: A 23-year-old U.S. Army private on leave after basic training fired a 9mm pistol into the air in celebration with friends, according to police, and one of the bullets came through a fifth-floor apartment window in the New York City borough of Queens, striking a 28-year-old mother of two in the eye. Her husband found her lifeless body moments later. The shooter had been drinking the night before and turned himself in to police the next morning when he heard the news. He was charged with second-degree manslaughter and weapons-related crimes, and was later found guilty and sentenced to four to 12 years in prison.

    June 14, 1999: Arizona, A fourteen year-old girl, Shannon Smith, was struck on the top of her head by a bullet and killed while in the backyard of her home.  This incident resulted in Arizona enacting "Shannon's Law" in 2000, that made the discharge of a firearm into the air illegal

    December 31, 1994: Amy Silberman, a tourist from Boston, was killed by a falling bullet from celebratory firing while walking on the Riverwalk in the French Quarter of New Orleans, Louisiana. The Police Department there has been striving to educate the public on the danger since then, frequently making arrests for firing into the air
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Post by: Utrakil on October 03, 2013, 11:43:05 pm

  Im sure after the first person dies from warning shot fire, that the policy will be changed, extreme events must occur before things change unfortunately.


I think with a total of 50 warningshots a year the possibility that one of them is killing someone is negligible.
And for shure a warningshot is much less likely to harm anybody than an aimed shot which missed.

(didn't you post the video where police injured several bystanders with their aimed shots?)
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Post by: Teeth on October 03, 2013, 11:55:33 pm
If someone makes a statement about a subject which you know little about while you disagree, you might want to think about discussing it in a little more careful manner than calling said person stupid and his statement ridiculous, repeatedly.

A warning shot is the clearest sign that you are about to be potentially killed by the police which does in fact convince a lot of suspects to comply with the police after all, its a sort of reality check for the life danger a suspect is about to be in. It also alerts bystanders so they get into cover or at least out of the way in case more shots have to be fired. There hasn't been a single record of a falling bullet casualty in the Netherlands, the chances are incredibly small. A falling bullet doesn't go all that fast either.

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Post by: Paul on October 04, 2013, 12:06:55 am
There was a special doctrin with former standard Bundeswehr pistol, the P1: "Eight warning shots and a deadly throw."
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Post by: AntiBlitz on October 04, 2013, 12:39:42 am
If someone makes a statement about a subject which you know little about while you disagree, you might want to think about discussing it in a little more careful manner than calling said person stupid and his statement ridiculous, repeatedly.

A warning shot is the clearest sign that you are about to be potentially killed by the police which does in fact convince a lot of suspects to comply with the police after all, its a sort of reality check for the life danger a suspect is about to be in. It also alerts bystanders so they get into cover or at least out of the way in case more shots have to be fired. There hasn't been a single record of a falling bullet casualty in the Netherlands, the chances are incredibly small. A falling bullet doesn't go all that fast either.

Well making statements about ones culture is also quite stupid, though i understand i did cross a line, im willing to apologize for the statement, though i disagree with it, considering that i believe most of europes views on guns are due to suppression and old views that arent up to date on the times at hand.
i still think the possibility of killing someone is greater than the physiological effect you are attempting to bring from a warning shot, ya i guess the claim is there with evidence of it working, but it just seems like something that was done ages ago, and no harm has come of it so far as to say it is bad.  Also making the statement that nobody has died from it in your country is a bad comparison, at 16,039 square miles, your country is quite small in comparison to the 3,794,101 sq miles, kinda hard to make comparisons.

I think with a total of 50 warningshots a year the possibility that one of them is killing someone is negligible.
And for shure a warningshot is much less likely to harm anybody than an aimed shot which missed.

(didn't you post the video where police injured several bystanders with their aimed shots?)

ya, i dont necessarily blame the police for that though, though yes they did take those shots and are ultimately liable for those shots, you cant help but say ask why everyone is just standing around trying to peak at what is happening.  People are just way to curious and would rather put themselves in danger trying to film shit and put it on youtube than protect themselves by fleeing the area.  I mean really come on, like 15 cops standing around with guns everywhere and they are just fucking around standing there, somebody was goin to get shot in that situation lol.  Poor choices on everyones part.
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Post by: Clockworkkiller on October 04, 2013, 12:47:25 am
ummmm...if your gonna willingly commit a crime, and dont understand the "life danger" that would put you in?

well then i weep for your children, hope they dont turn out as stupid as you did
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Post by: Teeth on October 04, 2013, 01:14:36 am
Well making statements about ones culture is also quite stupid, though i understand i did cross a line, im willing to apologize for the statement, though i disagree with it, considering that i believe most of europes views on guns are due to suppression and old views that arent up to date on the times at hand.
I am fairly sure that gun policy in the U.S. is more of a remnant of old times then the gun policies in Europe, where gun ownership was once free of government control as well. So gun policy has been updated to contain a ban on most firearms here. Adaptation of policy to the times at hand. This might be ridiculously hard to believe for an American, but there is simply no need to own or carry a gun in my country. Not once have I or pretty much anyone thought, gee wish I had a gun. The times at hand provide very little reason to own a gun, let alone carry one, my society is safe.

ummmm...if your gonna willingly commit a crime, and dont understand the "life danger" that would put you in?

well then i weep for your children, hope they dont turn out as stupid as you did
If someone steals a bike he forfeits his life to the judgement of a trigger-happy cop. Great fucking law system is that. God Americans and their guns, there is no point in even discussing anything until your thinking catches up 200 years. Until you let go of the Wild-West mindset and get some proper appreciation for human life and justice.
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Post by: Kafein on October 04, 2013, 01:16:24 am
ummmm...if your gonna willingly commit a crime, and dont understand the "life danger" that would put you in?

well then i weep for your children, hope they dont turn out as stupid as you did

Commiting a minor crime without resisting arrest doesn't put you in danger unless you use deadly weapons yourself.


It seems to me that in the US, cops assume that everybody is a maniacal terrorist armed to the teeth unless proven otherwise.
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Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on October 04, 2013, 01:30:46 am
It really depends where in the US, but US cops aren't exactly particularly on morally higher grounds than criminals in a decent amount of places.
If someone is threatening someone else with a firearm then the threatened person is certainly not in the wrong for shoot first, arrest later, policies.
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Post by: AntiBlitz on October 04, 2013, 02:08:59 am
I am fairly sure that gun policy in the U.S. is more of a remnant of old times then the gun policies in Europe, where gun ownership was once free of government control as well. So gun policy has been updated to contain a ban on most firearms here. Adaptation of policy to the times at hand. This might be ridiculously hard to believe for an American, but there is simply no need to own or carry a gun in my country. Not once have I or pretty much anyone thought, gee wish I had a gun. The times at hand provide very little reason to own a gun, let alone carry one, my society is safe.
If someone steals a bike he forfeits his life to the judgement of a trigger-happy cop. Great fucking law system is that. God Americans and their guns, there is no point in even discussing anything until your thinking catches up 200 years. Until you let go of the Wild-West mindset and get some proper appreciation for human life and justice.

you are just reaching for extremes now to troll post, stealing a bike is a misdemeanor crime, no reason to just shoot someone lol, i even linked case law in my other discussions but you are too stubborn to look at what my posts are, because your posting like a fucking blinded horse, in one direction. 

Opinion below:
There is always a need for a gun, one must be able to protect himself, this isnt medieval times, im sorry but im not going to fend off a armed intruder with a fucking butter knife because my government would rather suppress my entire country for 400 years and say people dont need them.  Either way, hows about we just agree to disagree? sound fair?  you and i will never see eye to eye, quite clear.

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Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on October 04, 2013, 03:37:29 am
A LOT

There I fixed it for you! Just because your armed doesn't mean you can go around ignoring grammar and spelling willy fucking nilly!

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I personally don't like guns being available to the general public because the general public are spastic.

Australia has one of the highest rates of assault in the OCED. Give these fuck wits open or concealed carry and a lot of people are going to get shot.

I'm all for tasers, pepper sprays, performance enhancing drugs so on and so forth. I just don't see any reason for someone to have a KRISS SMG in their home. If you want a double barrel shot gun, or a bolt action hunting rifle more power to you. But no one "needs" a hand gun or an automatic weapon. That's war fighting gear and if you are having to fight a war in your own home I advise you move house... sooner the better.

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I didn't actually open this thread to argue :/

You know I love you blitzypoo.
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Post by: AntiBlitz on October 04, 2013, 05:21:47 am
There I fixed it for you! Just because your armed doesn't mean you can go around ignoring grammar and spelling willy fucking nilly!

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I personally don't like guns being available to the general public because the general public are spastic.

Australia has one of the highest rates of assault in the OCED. Give these fuck wits open or concealed carry and a lot of people are going to get shot.

I'm all for tasers, pepper sprays, performance enhancing drugs so on and so forth. I just don't see any reason for someone to have a KRISS SMG in their home. If you want a double barrel shot gun, or a bolt action hunting rifle more power to you. But no one "needs" a hand gun or an automatic weapon. That's war fighting gear and if you are having to fight a war in your own home I advise you move house... sooner the better.

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I didn't actually open this thread to argue :/

You know I love you blitzypoo.

i dont mind really, its all just opinions, here is mine again lol.  I think wat people fail to see is simply that the damage of allowing guns has already been done, you cannot revert this action to the populous without serious consequences.  We all make due with the cards dealt to us, and history already wrote out how it was going to be.  If your country just had them from the start you might not have those same views, just as Germany serves alcohol to what we would say is minors, and whatever country it was decriminalizing drugs.  Its cultural based, we couldnt do those same things in America, it just wouldnt work, or maybe it would and we just wont try because we have those same extreme views towards it that the people in this thread do.
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Post by: Tibe on October 04, 2013, 07:10:55 am
i dont mind really, its all just opinions, here is mine again lol.  I think wat people fail to see is simply that the damage of allowing guns has already been done, you cannot revert this action to the populous without serious consequences.  We all make due with the cards dealt to us, and history already wrote out how it was going to be.  If your country just had them from the start you might not have those same views, just as Germany serves alcohol to what we would say is minors, and whatever country it was decriminalizing drugs.  Its cultural based, we couldnt do those same things in America, it just wouldnt work, or maybe it would and we just wont try because we have those same extreme views towards it that the people in this thread do.

Man....those...are...some pretty wierd opinions you have. The highlight of it is that you think that Europe not allowing civilians to carry fully automatic firearms is part of the old world and is a goverment/citizen trust issue. Its none of that. Your liberal law is acctually a remnant of the old world and its really not a trust issue. Majority, in Europe, which I quess is atleast 90% of citizens in every country would never want such liberal gunlaws as you have out there. Nobody even brings this up to discussion here. Because doing so is pointless and very dangerous. I get that majority of the gunnuts are good folks just collecting and being relaxed. But the more deathmachines in circulation, the larger possibility of fatal "accidents". Its the same thing as nobody wanting every country on the planet to have a nuclear weapon arsenal.

Also the selfdefencething? I get that a handgun can be used for selfdefence. But a fullyautomatic assaultrifle. Wat...? Then comes the "I might be outgunned" statement. Who goes thiefing or burglarizing with a assault rilfe? Seriuslly. Oh right murica..... In this part of the world, even getting threatened with an acctual gun is a rarety.
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Post by: Xant on October 04, 2013, 08:04:25 am
This might be ridiculously hard to believe for an American, but there is simply no need to own or carry a gun in my country. Not once have I or pretty much anyone thought, gee wish I had a gun. The times at hand provide very little reason to own a gun, let alone carry one, my society is safe.
If you're alright with being a sheep, I'm happy that works for you. Just trust blindly in the shepherd and bury your head in the sand. I'm sure it'll be alright.
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Post by: Paul on October 04, 2013, 08:35:50 am
Guns are just toys for most gun collectors. Others collect Spaes Merins figures or stamps. Although the gun thingy has the advantage that you "could" fuck up your neighbor, his dog and everyone he knows for real if he pissed you off bad enough. Kinda hard clubbing someone to death with a predator model. Also AntiBlitz could arm a milita squad incase the government(if there is one) comes for his freedom. Of course this and the self defense thingy is just bullshit related to immature power fantasies. In the end it's just toys.
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Post by: Xant on October 04, 2013, 08:46:00 am
In the end it's just toys.
Of course it is, if you have dozens of guns. I don't think anyone is denying that. They can be used as tools, however, when necessary, which makes them a somewhat different breed of toys when compared to stamps.
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Post by: Tibe on October 04, 2013, 09:10:01 am
I was an idiot for getting dragged into this discussion again. Lets agree to disagree. Not cause I ran out of arguments, lol heck I got enough for atleast 200 posts, but because its kinda like the arguing about religion over the internet. Its better to be dropped then discussed.

My apologies for ruining this thread fellow gentlemen.
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Post by: Xant on October 04, 2013, 09:15:35 am
What happens if you disagree to disagree? Do you agree in that case? I wasn't aware disagreement needed agreement.
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Post by: Tibe on October 04, 2013, 09:19:09 am
It counts for a standstill, I quess...
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Post by: Xant on October 04, 2013, 09:20:28 am
What you really mean is "I'm going to stop arguing."
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Post by: Tibe on October 04, 2013, 09:21:02 am
Do you really have to be a douche about it? :D
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Post by: Xant on October 04, 2013, 09:25:15 am
Obviously. An even better information-efficient way of conveying that you're going to stop arguing is to stop posting. "Let's agree to disagree" is just a way of trying to save face while backing out of an argument. Looks more sophisticated and civilized and as if you didn't really concede anything, you're just retreating with dignity. Which is, of course, false.
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Post by: Tibe on October 04, 2013, 09:32:29 am
Nice try. Not falling for it.
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Post by: Xant on October 04, 2013, 09:33:09 am
As a final example, a buffer overflow checker flagged a bunch of errors of the form

unsigned p[4]; ... p[4] = 1;

"No, ANSI lets you write 1 past the end of the array."

After heated argument, the programmer said, "We'll have to agree to disagree."
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Post by: [ptx] on October 04, 2013, 11:45:52 am
If you're alright with being a sheep, I'm happy that works for you. Just trust blindly in the shepherd and bury your head in the sand. I'm sure it'll be alright.
Yes, people are sheep for wanting to live in a SAFE environment, where they are unlikely to ever even see a gun, much less get shot by one. Real lions go live in the jungle, survival of the fittest, etc.
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Post by: Xant on October 04, 2013, 11:57:14 am
Yes, people are sheep for wanting to live in a SAFE environment, where they are unlikely to ever even see a gun, much less get shot by one. Real lions go live in the jungle, survival of the fittest, etc.
lions don't live in the jungle
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Post by: [ptx] on October 04, 2013, 12:35:03 pm
Nor do they live in civilized, urban societies.
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Post by: Xant on October 04, 2013, 12:45:56 pm
Hogwash. I've seen a lion in the zoo with my own eyes.
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Post by: [ptx] on October 04, 2013, 12:50:59 pm
Yes, behind bars. What a coincidence. :rolleyes:
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Post by: Xant on October 04, 2013, 12:53:40 pm
It was actually more of a fence.
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Post by: Kafein on October 04, 2013, 02:37:02 pm
I wonder what would happen if I took the metro here in Paris with a 1:1 870MCS replica in one hand and a box of real slugs in the other.
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Post by: AntiBlitz on October 04, 2013, 03:23:41 pm
Man....those...are...some pretty wierd opinions you have. The highlight of it is that you think that Europe not allowing civilians to carry fully automatic firearms is part of the old world and is a goverment/citizen trust issue. Its none of that. Your liberal law is acctually a remnant of the old world and its really not a trust issue. Majority, in Europe, which I quess is atleast 90% of citizens in every country would never want such liberal gunlaws as you have out there. Nobody even brings this up to discussion here. Because doing so is pointless and very dangerous. I get that majority of the gunnuts are good folks just collecting and being relaxed. But the more deathmachines in circulation, the larger possibility of fatal "accidents". Its the same thing as nobody wanting every country on the planet to have a nuclear weapon arsenal.

Also the selfdefencething? I get that a handgun can be used for selfdefence. But a fullyautomatic assaultrifle. Wat...? Then comes the "I might be outgunned" statement. Who goes thiefing or burglarizing with a assault rilfe? Seriuslly. Oh right murica..... In this part of the world, even getting threatened with an acctual gun is a rarety.

none of my firearms are "machine guns", the federal government considers fully automatic weapons a class III firearm, requiring a federal firearms license, which is tough to get in its own respect.  People burglarize homes and stores all the time, and some will bring guns, why would they bring a pistol along if they were just stealing?  they must plan on using it somehow?  The threat of violence is still a crime, even made worse using a handgun.  Why would one in that case not want to simply protect their home with the best means necessary and if that means throwing 30 rounds of 5.56NATO, why not?  You just goin to put your lives in their hands and sit hostage on the couch as they raid the whole house for valuables, maybe have their way with your daughter or wife, and then possibly kill you all?  This isnt far fetched, it happens, and it always happens to the people who think nothing will ever happen to them, they are safe, why protect ourselves, we have police.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1355941/Murderer-killed-botched-burglary-raped-girl-13-bizarre-obsession-leaves.html

I bet ya those women wished they could protect themselves, unfortunately they are stuck in the medieval times, fending off this armed intruder with fucking kitchen knives, congratulations real fucking nice policy. 

After trying to find material on people in Europe killing others with firearms, i continuously stumble across things like this, goddamn Europe is real safe, seems they have a drug problem, well who doesn't really, oh but wait look, the drug dealers have guns in a entire continent which doesn't allow guns?  how did they get them? doesn't seem like not having guns is keeping them away from anyone who really wants them..... 

9 pages of fucking absolute garbage brought to you by 4 angry Europeans who cant see why having a gun to protect yourself because its the fucking 21st century makes sense.
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Post by: Tibe on October 04, 2013, 03:45:49 pm
Also AntiBlitz could arm a milita squad incase the government(if there is one) comes for his freedom. Of course this and the self defense thingy is just bullshit related to immature power fantasies.
Well put Paul. Well put indeed.

Some gunnut crap, did not read lol
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1355941/Murderer-killed-botched-burglary-raped-girl-13-bizarre-obsession-leaves.html
This was in USA btw... and singlecases dont count for shit

I bet ya those women wished they could protect themselves, unfortunately they are stuck in the medieval times, fending off this armed intruder with fucking kitchen knives, congratulations real fucking nice policy.  In EU kitchen knives work realtively well.

After trying to find material on people in Europe killing others with firearms, i continuously stumble across things like this, goddamn Europe is real safe, seems they have a drug problem, well who doesn't really, oh but wait look, the drug dealers have guns in a entire continent which doesn't allow guns?  how did they get them? doesn't seem like not having guns is keeping them away from anyone who really wants them.....  True, we have a lof of drugproblems. I dunno about but I read all the Baltic and Nordic country news. Very few firearm deaths.  It really is safe, compared to USA we are the fucking Garden of Eden even. I dunno man. The drug dealers here atleast carry knifes. If there are any drugviolence deaths it was due to stabbing. And im not shitting you. NOBODY carries a gun here. In Great Brittain, where well crime is way higher then everywhere else in EU, the knife is the most common murderweapon too.

9 pages of fucking absolute garbage brought to you by 4 angry Europeans who cant see why having a gun to protect yourself because its the fucking 21st century makes sense.

So I dunno man. You can be cool and technological 21st century people and shoot eachother with firearms, if that makes you feel any better. This is the part of life where we would like to stick to medieval, as you put it.
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Post by: [ptx] on October 04, 2013, 03:48:29 pm
I didn't know Ohio was in Europe. Guess i should brush up on my geography knowledge.

And no, not even drug dealers generally have guns here. They settle their scores and shit by beating the other side up.
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Post by: Xant on October 04, 2013, 03:56:15 pm
Not sure why dying by knife is preferrable to dying by a gunshot wound.
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Post by: Kafein on October 04, 2013, 04:05:38 pm
This isnt far fetched

That's the problem right there. It may happen, yes. Enough to carry a gun ? No.

There's also a huge difference between the US and Europe in population density. I can see all sorts of sick shit happening in villages and lots of people counting only on themselves to defend against all the imaginary threats they are subject to. But hell even our "remote" villages have houses all stuck together and are still less than 10 km away from the nearest small city.
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Post by: [ptx] on October 04, 2013, 04:06:18 pm
You know, when people get stabbed during a mugging or whatever, they generally don't die, unless it reaaaaally hits some vital organ or the stabber is intentionally attempting murder. It's why stab murders usually are about the victim being stabbed like 20+ times.

I really don't know any people that got stabbed myself (not really statistics, but still...), but, for example, i know that there's this old guy working at the cemetery, where a relative of mine is buried, that takes care of the graves - he got mugged by some scum and got stabbed like 30 times. He lived and continues working there.
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Post by: Gnjus on October 04, 2013, 04:33:20 pm
I can't guarantee that in case of, lets say.....ptx, xant and I meeting in a pub and getting drunk, talking about variety of subjects and presumably arguing, I wouldn't draw my concealed weapon and wax Xant if he starts getting on my nerves, especially if he's bigger and stronger then me. It's not that I want to shoot the hell out of him but I think alcohol + his charming personality could contribute to me ending up serving some serious time.
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Post by: Kafein on October 04, 2013, 04:49:43 pm
I can't guarantee that in case of, lets say.....ptx, xant and I meeting in a pub and getting drunk, talking about variety of subjects and presumably arguing, I wouldn't draw my concealed weapon and wax Xant if he starts getting on my nerves, especially if he's bigger and stronger then me. It's not that I want to shoot the hell out of him but I think alcohol + his charming personality could contribute to me ending up serving some serious time.

My guess is, Xant would be less intoxicated than you.
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Post by: Xant on October 04, 2013, 04:57:01 pm
My guess is that Xant is considerably more proficient in violence.
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Post by: Son Of Odin on October 04, 2013, 05:12:05 pm
My guess is that Gnjus' nose would act as a shield and bend all the bullets away.
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Post by: Lt_Anders on October 04, 2013, 05:15:28 pm
I think this is pretty interesting in the grand debate on Gun Ownership and Violent Crime:
http://blog.skepticallibertarian.com/2013/01/12/fact-checking-ben-swann-is-the-uk-really-5-times-more-violent-than-the-us/

Technically England/Wales has more VIOLENT crime(when you do a near 1:1 comparison) but lower murder rate from guns. I'd assume this is fairly similar Continent wide.
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Post by: [ptx] on October 04, 2013, 05:49:39 pm
I can't guarantee that in case of, lets say.....ptx, xant and I meeting in a pub and getting drunk, talking about variety of subjects and presumably arguing, I wouldn't draw my concealed weapon and wax Xant if he starts getting on my nerves, especially if he's bigger and stronger then me. It's not that I want to shoot the hell out of him but I think alcohol + his charming personality could contribute to me ending up serving some serious time.
My guess is that i would consume twice the amount of beers in the same amount of time and would then proceed to drunkenly hit on the hot chick behind the bar, making everyone ashamed enough to go home.
Boozing for peace!

I think this is pretty interesting in the grand debate on Gun Ownership and Violent Crime:
http://blog.skepticallibertarian.com/2013/01/12/fact-checking-ben-swann-is-the-uk-really-5-times-more-violent-than-the-us/

Technically England/Wales has more VIOLENT crime(when you do a near 1:1 comparison) but lower murder rate from guns. I'd assume this is fairly similar Continent wide.
UK is somewhat infamous for its violent crime rate in the EU. I assume the crime rate EU-wise is actually lower than that.
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Post by: Tibe on October 04, 2013, 06:12:59 pm
Not sure why dying by knife is preferrable to dying by a gunshot wound.
Its not about preferable dying mate. A random fucker could end your life simply by hiding in the bushes and taking careful aim while you wank off unexpected or something. Not to mention if there are people around you and the dude has shit aim, there is gonna be innocent bystanders. Someone charging you with a knife you can mostly see ahead and with a couple of self-defencecourses you can turn the situation around. Unlike with firearms. If one guy pulls his gun first and starts randomly spraying bullets all you have is luck unless you can bend bullets.
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Post by: Xant on October 04, 2013, 06:41:02 pm
Guns are not the problem.

United States' homicide rate per 100,000 inhabitants is 4,7. Russia's is 10,2, even though handguns are completely prohibited and long guns are strongly restricted.

4,7 is a high number compared to European countries: it is, however, an average gotten from 50 states with wildly varying homicide rates. Hawaii has 0,5 (half of Western Europe's average) and Louisiana has 10,54 (slightly higher than Russia) - and the average is gotten from these and the other 48 less extreme states.

Hawaii does not have a problem with violence, Louisiana does. To get relevant numbers, one mustn't look at the United States on the whole, but as it is: an union of different states, cultures and  people.

Switzerland has one of the most liberal gun policies of Western Europe, and yet one of the smallest homicide rates: 0,7. In the United Kingdom, all handguns and semi-automatic rifles are illegal, but its rate (1,2) is distinctly bigger.

United States has 89 firearms per one hundred citizens, and 3,2 homicides per 100,000 inhabitants are committed with those. Mexico has 15 firearms per hundred citizens, but 22,7 homicides per 100,000 inhabitants are committed with those.

The facts are that the presence of firearms does not have an effect on the amount of homicides, only on how they are committed.

The homicide rates per state are as follows:

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The north-east and west are the most peaceful, the mid-west a bit more restless, and the south the most violent by a good margin. 43,6% of murders were committed in the south (15 states).

Out of 17-29 year-olds, there are twice more black victims than white.

Now, is there a correlation between gun laws and homicides?

In Alaska, Arizona, Vermont and Wyoming, you can carry a loaded gun both openly and concealed without a permit. These states receive six stars (******).

After those come states in which open carry is unrestricted, but concealed carry requires a permit that officials have to issue: Idaho, Nevada, New Mexico, Montana, South Dakota, Kentucky, Virginia, Colorado, Washington, Oregon, Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri, Louisiana, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, West Virginia, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Maine, North Carolina. They receive five stars (*****).

Third, states where you need a permit for open carry, and concealed carry is "shall-issue." (A Shall-Issue jurisdiction is one that requires a permit to carry a concealed handgun, but where the granting of such permits is subject only to meeting determinate criteria laid out in the law; the granting authority has no discretion in the awarding of the permits, and there is no requirement of the applicant to demonstrate "good cause".): Utah, North Dakota, Minnesota, Oklahoma, Mississippi, Tennessee, Georgia, Indiana, Iowa, Connecticut and Delaware. These receive four stars (****).

Fourth, states where open carry requires a permit, and concealed carry is "may-issue": Massachusetts and Rhode Island. These receive three stars. (***).

Texas, Arkansas, South Carolina and Florida are "shall-issue" states where open carry is not permitted. They receive two stars. (**).

California and New York are "may-issue" states that do not permit open carry. Hawaii, Maryland and New Jersey completely disallow concealed carry, but give permits for open carry. These receive one star. (*).

Illinois and District of Columbia completely ban both concealed and open carry, and do not receive a single star. States with an "assault weapon ban" also receive a minus (-).

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As we can see, finding a clear correlation is difficult. Both the most peaceful state Hawaii and the murder capital Washington DC have harsh gun laws in effect.

In conclusion, gun laws do not seem to have any effect on homicide rates in the United States. The same correlation can be seen internationally.

Someone charging you with a knife you can mostly see ahead and with a couple of self-defencecourses you can turn the situation around. Unlike with firearms.
This deserves nothing more than a facepalm. You do not know anything about the subject, that much is clear. "Self-defence courses." Jesus Christ, have mercy. I'd much rather face a firearm than a knife in close quarters, and others with actual experience in these things often agree.
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Post by: [ptx] on October 04, 2013, 06:44:57 pm
Just in case you've missed it, the "discussion" has not been about USA gun control laws, but rather whether or not EU gun control laws are medieval. :rolleyes:
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Post by: Xant on October 04, 2013, 06:46:42 pm
Just in case you've missed it, the "discussion" has not been about USA gun control laws, but rather whether or not EU gun control laws are medieval. :rolleyes:
Uh, nope.
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Post by: [ptx] on October 04, 2013, 06:47:24 pm
Uh, yeap.
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Post by: Xant on October 04, 2013, 06:48:47 pm
I don't know what you've been discussing, but that's not what I've been discussing. I'm not talking to or about AntiBlitz's posts.
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Post by: Lt_Anders on October 04, 2013, 06:52:52 pm
Hey XANT where's the Info on Florida? You're missing 2 states in that data acquisition...which is pretty weird? Why so...

Also the Firearm per citizen is misleading. Just look at Antiblitz. He's got like 20 guns. That's why that statistic is so high. Actual gun owners (households) are closer to 50%< since 1 owner can own a full armies worth of guns and ammunition.

Also your 2 star states are amongst the easiest states to acquire firearms. In 30 minutes, I can buy whatever gun legally allowed, if I have the money at any time.  Just note that. Easy to buy, but not as easy to go around/carry.

The concealed Permit given by Florida is almost a "Nationwide Standard" as far as concealed carry goes.
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Post by: Xant on October 04, 2013, 07:05:15 pm
Hey XANT where's the Info on Florida? You're missing 2 states in that data acquisition...which is pretty weird? Why so...

Also the Firearm per citizen is misleading. Just look at Antiblitz. He's got like 20 guns. That's why that statistic is so high. Actual gun owners (households) are closer to 50%< since 1 owner can own a full armies worth of guns and ammunition.

Also your 2 star states are amongst the easiest states to acquire firearms. In 30 minutes, I can buy whatever gun legally allowed, if I have the money at any time.  Just note that. Easy to buy, but not as easy to go around/carry.

The concealed Permit given by Florida is almost a "Nationwide Standard" as far as concealed carry goes.
Don't know why Florida wasn't included, it'd be 5,2 **.

As for firearm per citizen, that's how it is in all countries. Finland has a very high firearms/citizen ratio, but relatively few people own firearms.

The star rating system is not about ease of acquisition.

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Where L means you need a permit to acquire a long gun, if you only need a permit to acquire a handgun -L, if both require a permit LL. If neither are restricted, --.

Note: these statistics are not current (they are from a year+ ago) and they'll be a bit different in most recent reports.
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Post by: AntiBlitz on October 04, 2013, 07:25:58 pm



Also the Firearm per citizen is misleading. Just look at Antiblitz. He's got like 20 guns. That's why that statistic is so high. Actual gun owners (households) are closer to 50%< since 1 owner can own a full armies worth of guns and ammunition.

The concealed Permit given by Florida is almost a "Nationwide Standard" as far as concealed carry goes.

what do you mean by this?  if you have a permit in Flordia, this doesnt mean you can carry in another state, their laws will not allow it, unless they have some sort of state to state agreement.  Unless you meant how you obtain the permit is almost a standard nationwide then, well kind of, but not really.  Getting a permit in Florida is quite easy, as is, in a few other states, however some states like mine, you must prove that you have a need to carry it, you have to explain that you are carrying large sums of money, or maybe you are leaving from high crime area establishments at night, or something along those lines.

Well put Paul. Well put indeed.

So I dunno man. You can be cool and technological 21st century people and shoot eachother with firearms, if that makes you feel any better. This is the part of life where we would like to stick to medieval, as you put it.

why do you think the police carry weapons now?  is it because those clubs just arent enough? yes, thats exactly it, they are being "outgunned" by people who are bringing firearms into the country, while you dont have a gun, the people who want one do.


I didn't know Ohio was in Europe. Guess i should brush up on my geography knowledge.

And no, not even drug dealers generally have guns here. They settle their scores and shit by beating the other side up.

its not necessarily the point of geography and it being in Ohio, but was this families policy the same as your opinions?  they didnt like guns, and maybe owning one would have changed this outcome.

drug dealers do have guns, go google it, please.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10163167/No-lawful-justification-for-police-killing-report-finds.html
"Three guns were found in Mr Rodney’s car including one that was loaded and ready to fire. "

PC Brian John Bishop was a police officer who was shot in the head by an armed robber in Frinton-on-Sea, Essex, on 22 August 1984, four months after the murder of WPC Yvonne Fletcher. He died from his injuries five days later in a London hospital.

PC Phillip John Walters was a police officer in London's Metropolitan Police Service who was shot dead while investigating a domestic disturbance in Ilford, east London, on 18 April 1995. Walters responded to reports of a domestic disturbance at a flat in Empress Avenue, Ilford, with his colleague Sergeant Derek Shepherd, who he had partnered in the job for the eighteen months since he entered service. Upon arrival, the pair discovered three men beating the male occupant of the property; it later transpired that they were hired to beat the man who was the former boyfriend of a woman. As the suspects attempted to escape, one produced a Smith & Wesson handgun and shot Walters in the chest as he was tackled by the officer. The bullet penetrated Walters' heart and he died later in hospital.

Sharon Beshenivsky was the 89th police officer and the sixth female officer to die in the line of duty in England and Wales, the second female officer to be fatally shot (the first was Yvonne Fletcher in an incident involving the Libyan Embassy in 1984), and the first female officer to die in an ordinary gun crime. Beshenivsky was a West Yorkshire Police constable shot dead by a criminal gang during a robbery in Bradford, West Yorkshire, England. Another police officer, PC Teresa Millburn, was also shot in the incident, receiving serious wounds to the chest. PC Millburn had joined the force less than two years earlier.

Fiona Bone, 32, and Nicola Hughes, 23, were on routine patrol on 18 September 2012 when they were sent to Abbey Gardens, Mottram in Longdendale, near Hyde, at about 11 am, following a report of a burglary.[8] This was the result of a 999 emergency telephone call from a member of the public, which was later found to be the work of Dale Cregan, who had led the officers into a trap.[9] After arriving at the house where the burglary had been reported the officers came under attack, with 32 gunshots being fired from a Glock pistol within 31 seconds, and one M75 hand grenade being used.[1][2][10] One officer died at the scene while the other was badly wounded and died later in hospital.[11]
Arrest of killer

yep no guns in Yurop....

Ruth Ellis, a London nightclub manager, shot and killed her fiance David Blakely outside a Hampstead public house where she surrendered to police upon their arrival. Despite evidence of the involvement of another lover, Desmond Cussen, she was tried and convicted of murder for which she would be the last woman to be executed in the United Kingdom.

Moat, armed with a sawn-off shotgun, shot three people two days after being released from prison: his ex-girlfriend Samantha Stobbart, her new partner Chris Brown, and police officer David Rathband. Brown was killed, while Rathband was permanently blinded. Seriously injured Stobbart also remained hospitalised. After six days on the run, Moat was recognised by police leading to a standoff. After nearly six hours of negotiation, Moat shot himself.

The White House Farm murders took place near the English village of Tolleshunt D'Arcy, Essex, on 7 August 1985, when Nevill Bamber, a farmer and magistrate, his wife June, their adoptive daughter, Sheila Caffell, and her six-year-old twin sons, were shot and killed during the night inside the Bambers' farmhouse

The body of 13-year-old paperboy Carl Bridgewater was found in the house of a local elderly couple who had been out for the day. It was presumed by police that Bridgewater had disturbed a burglar while delivering a newspaper to their home and was dragged into their livingroom where he was killed with a shotgun blast to the head. The following year, a group of men - widely referred to in the press as the Bridgewater Four - were convicted of the crime, three for murder and a fourth for manslaughter.

On 9 July 1996, in a country lane in Chillenden, Kent, Lin Russell, aged forty-five, her two daughters, six-year-old Megan and nine-year-old Josie and their dog Lucy, were tied up and savagely beaten with a hammer in a robbery attempt. Lin, Megan and their dog Lucy were killed but, despite appalling head injuries, Josie survived and went on to make an excellent recovery. Josie's recovery and the way she and her father, Shaun Russell, coped with the aftermath of the tragedy were the subject of a BBC documentary. Father and daughter had by then moved to the Nantlle Valley in Gwynedd.[2]  No gun, but it might have stopped this.

The murder of 11-year-old Rhys Milford Jones occurred on 22 August 2007 in Liverpool, England, when he was fatally shot in the neck. An 18-year-old youth, Sean Mercer, received a life sentence for the murder in December 2008.

£26.5 million is stolen from the Donegall Square headquarters of Northern Bank by a large armed gang.

6 armed robbers broke into the Brink's-MAT warehouse in Heathrow Airport and got away with £26 million in gold bullion with the inside help of security guard Anthony Black.

A shootout between unarmed London constables and a group of Latvian anarchists left three officers and one anarchist dead. The authorities then laid siege to the anarchists' safehouse, meeting fierce resistance from the three anarchists inside. A fire broke out after a six-hour battle and, while the bodies of two anarchists were found, the third was not located.
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Post by: Xant on October 04, 2013, 07:41:28 pm
A shootout between unarmed London constables and a group of Latvian anarchists left three officers and one anarchist dead.
Way to go, Latvian anarchists.
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Post by: [ptx] on October 04, 2013, 07:44:36 pm
What you missed is how you proved yourself flat out wrong in that post: "I bet ya those women wished they could protect themselves, unfortunately they are stuck in the medieval times, fending off this armed intruder with fucking kitchen knives, congratulations real fucking nice policy."
I guess they couldn't afterall, regardless of the loose gun control laws in the country they lived in. /facepalm

As to the rest:
Oh, wow, did you just find every single gun crime since the seventies? That proved what, exactly?

And no, drug dealers and most criminal elements, IN GENERAL, do not have guns here. It's why they keep stabbing and beating each other up, rather than shooting.

Let me try and make it simple for ya: EU - few guns, both for civilians and criminals -> negligible risk of getting shot and killed -> less lethal crime = better.

You have a skewed sense of technological advancement equaling armed shootouts between civilians and criminals.
Way to go, Latvian anarchists.
fuck the police!
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Post by: Xant on October 04, 2013, 07:53:16 pm
EU - few guns, both for civilians and criminals -> negligible risk of getting shot and killed -> less lethal crime = better.
But as the statistics show, that's not entirely true. Many US states with loose gun laws have less lethal crime than European countries with strict gun laws.
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Post by: AntiBlitz on October 04, 2013, 07:56:09 pm
What you missed is how you proved yourself flat out wrong in that post: "I bet ya those women wished they could protect themselves, unfortunately they are stuck in the medieval times, fending off this armed intruder with fucking kitchen knives, congratulations real fucking nice policy."
I guess they couldn't afterall, regardless of the loose gun control laws in the country they lived in. /facepalm

As to the rest:
Oh, wow, did you just find every single gun crime since the seventies? That proved what, exactly?

And no, drug dealers and most criminal elements, IN GENERAL, do not have guns here. It's why they keep stabbing and beating each other up, rather than shooting.

Let me try and make it simple for ya: EU - few guns, both for civilians and criminals -> negligible risk of getting shot and killed -> less lethal crime = better.

You have a skewed sense of technological advancement equaling armed shootouts between civilians and criminals.fuck the police!

i think only one of them was from the seventies, most of them being in the 90's and 2000's.  It proved a point that you cant make statements that you dont have guns in your country therefore we dont need them, since you dont have guns how were all these obtained, you are missing the point, they are fucking bad guys, they get them anyway, banned or not, that drug dealer had 3 himself.  im glad you smacked yourself too, though it prolly didnt knock any sense into you, just because you live in a place that allows it doesnt mean you partake in it, if i lived in Colorado, i wouldnt be smoking marijuana, and the same goes for those women, they didnt have a gun, because they maybe didnt believe in it, therefore they didnt protect themselves with a better means of force, therefore, they are all dead.


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Post by: [ptx] on October 04, 2013, 07:58:19 pm
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Ok, i give up, you argue like a fucking 13 year old.
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Post by: Gnjus on October 04, 2013, 08:06:09 pm
but..but....ptx....if you had a concealed gun when they got you in the street maybe all your teeth would still be accounted for and there would be a few latvian street thugs less in this world.......   :?
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Post by: Xant on October 04, 2013, 08:08:22 pm
i'm a cold brotha, never catch me without a heater
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Post by: [ptx] on October 04, 2013, 08:08:56 pm
Or maybe they'd have just shot me. Hmmmmmm...
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Post by: Xant on October 04, 2013, 08:23:27 pm
Or maybe they'd have just shot me. Hmmmmmm...

Another argument for loose gun laws
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Post by: Molly on October 04, 2013, 08:24:32 pm
Why brings a robber a gun to a robbery in the states? Cuz the shop owner has one too.
Why is the shop owner in EU most likely being rob with a knife or something similar less lethal? Cuz he doesn't have a gun.

Knife over gun all day.
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Post by: Gnjus on October 04, 2013, 08:27:59 pm
Or maybe they'd have just shot me. Hmmmmmm...


A win-win situation, if you ask me.
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Post by: Christo on October 04, 2013, 08:28:16 pm
Knife over gun all day.

Ouch, have you seen some pictures about how people end up after knife fights?

.-.
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Post by: [ptx] on October 04, 2013, 08:28:56 pm
Ouch, have you seen some pictures about how people end up after knife fights?

.-.
Alive?
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Post by: Molly on October 04, 2013, 08:33:07 pm
Alive?
That's the whole point.

The probability to survive a stab wound compared to a gun shot is way higher.

Ouch, have you seen some pictures about how people end up after knife fights?

.-.
Yea, it's pretty nasty. But so is a bottle smashed over the head or other pieces of bar equipment used with bad intend (intent?).
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Post by: Xant on October 04, 2013, 08:34:43 pm
Alive?
http://forums.officer.com/t153585/
http://www.bladecombat.com/knifemyths.html
http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=63104

That's the whole point.

The probability to survive a stab wound compared to a gun shot is way higher.
Based on what?
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Post by: Molly on October 04, 2013, 08:37:47 pm
http://forums.officer.com/t153585/
http://www.bladecombat.com/knifemyths.html
http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=63104
Based on what?
My six years of experience in working on an Ambulance on the weekend and helping out as bouncer now and then.
And that I actually know how to fight with and against a knife. Though the "against" part is rather difficult. You see a knife in a fight - you better get the hell out of there.
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Post by: Xant on October 04, 2013, 08:39:27 pm
My six years of experience in working on an Ambulance on the weekend and helping out as bouncer now and then.
And that I actually know how to fight with and against a knife. Though the "against" part is rather difficult. You see a knife in a fight - you better get the hell out of there.
http://www.lwcbooks.com/articles/edgedweapons.html

Those stats disagree.
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Post by: Molly on October 04, 2013, 08:41:27 pm
I won't argue with you about my experience in my town in my country. I don't give a damn about anything else tbh.
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Post by: Xant on October 04, 2013, 08:41:55 pm
Anecdotal evidence, best evidence
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Post by: Tibe on October 04, 2013, 08:45:13 pm


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Lol!....Wtf? You are taking news from 1996. Picking single cases and using the "If they had a gun, it could have been avoided" arguments, again proof you are not worth arguing with. Atleast Xant's arguments are somewhat sensible. A friendly suggestion id give you is never use the "If they had a gun, it could have been avoided" arguments. Its like the worst bullshit, you could even say.
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Post by: [ptx] on October 04, 2013, 08:48:46 pm
Don't be a strawman. Of course, you can be lethal with a knife, almost as lethal as with a gun.

Except, muggers and thugs would generally just stab you in the stomach, then mug you and get out of there.
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Best picture i could get, but i imagine a typical handgun will do at least the 30 centimeter penetration damage profile. And that is a 3-dimensional wound, it shreds flesh in all direction of the bullet + potential shards.

What's a knife wound profile?
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See blade.

A bullet to the stomach will kill you, if you don't receive help immediately, and even then it could be lethal.
A stab or two to the stomach most likely won't kill you, if you receive help within reasonable time.
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Post by: Xant on October 04, 2013, 08:57:41 pm
Don't be a strawman. Of course, you can be lethal with a knife, almost as lethal as with a gun.

Except, muggers and thugs would generally just stab you in the stomach, then mug you and get out of there.
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Best picture i could get, but i imagine a typical handgun will do at least the 30 centimeter penetration damage profile. And that is a 3-dimensional wound, it shreds flesh in all direction of the bullet + potential shards.

What's a knife wound profile?
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See blade.
.. No. That's like showing a picture of a bullet and saying "see bullet." Stab wounds are not made by surgeons in hospitals. The knife never exits the way it went in, and you can widen the wound after the stab - accidentally or on purpose. Living flesh also grabs onto the blade.
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Post by: [ptx] on October 04, 2013, 08:59:05 pm
It still won't be anywhere near the damage a bullet will do to flesh, and it's not a deep wound, that could potentially leave you full of metal fragments, depending on the bullet.
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Post by: Xant on October 04, 2013, 09:01:27 pm
It still won't be anywhere near the damage a bullet will do to flesh, and it's not a deep wound, that could potentially leave you full of metal fragments, depending on the bullet.
Yes, it will. It can do more damage. Or it can do less damage. It can be a deep wound.

Beyond the point, in any case. Both can be lethal. The real difference is that you can't grab onto a knife and control it. If you manage to block the first attack, you've achieved nothing. The knife is extremely dangerous and tricky to disarm. A gun isn't (as dangerous) to deal with in close quarters. And people's aim with them is terrible in real situations where adrenaline is flowing.
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Post by: AntiBlitz on October 04, 2013, 09:21:58 pm
Lol!....Wtf? You are taking news from 1996. Picking single cases and using the "If they had a gun, it could have been avoided" arguments, again proof you are not worth arguing with. Atleast Xant's arguments are somewhat sensible. A friendly suggestion id give you is never use the "If they had a gun, it could have been avoided" arguments. Its like the worst bullshit, you could even say.

just leave taking a case in your lifetime which isnt even old and telling you the possibility that the outcomes would have been different if they could have defended themselves is completely viable, you are just arguing for the sake of arguing and attempting to belittle me rather than make valid points, sooo shut the fuck up, and get out.

hell atleast Benkei can come back and make an argument with experience, i give him credit, you havent done shit except argue for no reason.

either way it doesnt matter really, knife or gun, they both suck, ive seen peoples forearms hanging off because they were blocking knife attacks, and ive see people with a bullet wound from a little 22lr who died after being shot in the armpit.  They both suck, we have all come to an agreement that both can be deadly or not depending on the situation at hand, being shot in the hand might not be deadly, being stabbed in the hand might not be either, but these are but just instances that could occur, and we can be here for another 10 pages talking about "what if" cases all day long, so in the end:

Lets just talk about my guns,  i have lots, what do you think of them, if you came to the states, id shoot them with you, do you have any yourself?  in Germany you can be apart of a hunting club which keeps your rifle there for you to take hunting, learned that from a neighbor who lived in Germany, and just recently moved back.  I think they said Amsberg was the name of the little town.
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Post by: Clockworkkiller on October 04, 2013, 09:31:15 pm

Complains about someone using single cases as an arguement to defend a majority

Then defends his position by comparing large caliber FMJ rounds to a tiny 2inch folding pen knife

Fail
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Post by: [ptx] on October 04, 2013, 09:34:31 pm
Complains about someone using single cases as an arguement to defend a majority

Then defends his position by comparing large caliber FMJ rounds to a tiny 2inch folding pen knife

Fail
Read. Post. Then attempt to understand what you read.
just leave taking a case in your lifetime which isnt even old and telling you the possibility that the outcomes would have been different if they could have defended themselves is completely viable, you are just arguing for the sake of arguing and attempting to belittle me rather than make valid points, sooo shut the fuck up, and get out.

hell atleast Benkei can come back and make an argument with experience, i give him credit, you havent done shit except argue for no reason.

either way it doesnt matter really, knife or gun, they both suck, ive seen peoples forearms hanging off because they were blocking knife attacks, and ive see people with a bullet wound from a little 22lr who died after being shot in the armpit.  They both suck, we have all come to an agreement that both can be deadly or not depending on the situation at hand, being shot in the hand might not be deadly, being stabbed in the hand might not be either, but these are but just instances that could occur, and we can be here for another 10 pages talking about "what if" cases all day long, so in the end:

Lets just talk about my guns,  i have lots, what do you think of them, if you came to the states, id shoot them with you, do you have any yourself?  in Germany you can be apart of a hunting club which keeps your rifle there for you to take hunting, learned that from a neighbor who lived in Germany, and just recently moved back.  I think they said Amsberg was the name of the little town.
Fine, fine, just don't call European gun laws medieval.

That AK looks sweet. Not that i'd want to own one, but still.
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Post by: AntiBlitz on October 04, 2013, 09:46:03 pm
Read. Post. Then attempt to understand what you read.Fine, fine, just don't call European gun laws medieval.

That AK looks sweet. Not that i'd want to own one, but still.

alright sounds fair, i think i can do that, thanks its an Egyptian Maadi, the history on  it goes as followed.  Russia sold the whole plant to Egypt to allow them to manufacture AK's for idk what reason, so then they started producing them from what Russia sold them, then in 1989 President Bush created the ban on the importation of assault weapons into the country, however companies were able to circumvent the law essentially by literally chopping the gun into pieces and destroying the receiver, as gun parts were allowed, but not the gun itself.  So the company Century arms, bought a shit load of these parts and started doing a half as job putting them together, which in turn made the market for AK's drop due to not only how many they produced but how low the quality of the weapon is, so in my case, i purchased this thing for around $700 dollars, its quality is "meh, ok" given that it does not jam, and fires fine, my gripe with it currently is that my top sight is actually twisted to the left, which makes the ironsights kinda weird to use, but i put a red dot sight on it to overcome that problem.  You can buy AK's for as little as 500 bucks, but you run the risk of purchasing a shitty Romanian made one, sorry if you are romanian, but you cant make AK's for shit.  Or you can buy a chinese or russian AK for around 1,000-1,200 bucks, which is quite steep, but you are getting quality which is comparable to what an AR will give you, and what the original AK name lives up to.
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Post by: Swaggart on October 04, 2013, 10:51:26 pm
Why brings a robber a gun to a robbery in the states? Cuz the shop owner has one too.
Why is the shop owner in EU most likely being rob with a knife or something similar less lethal? Cuz he doesn't have a gun.

Knife over gun all day.

I've generally stayed out of this debate but this is just silly. Most bullets available on the street generally leave small wounds unless they tumble ( which again most civilian available rounds don't). The only time they leave horrific wounds is if they shatter. If they pass clean through the body they are very survivable. On the other hand knives leave deep, wide gashes that can easily tear arteries or hit vital organs. The amount of surface area inside the body a knife stab will affect is much greater than any bullet which leads to much more scarring and greater long term problems. So I really don't understand how knives are less lethal or preferable.

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Post by: Xant on October 04, 2013, 10:58:48 pm
The biggest factor is that trying to stop a knife attack is a fucking nightmare compared to disarming someone's gun. With a knife, there is nothing to grab: your opponent is holding the only non-sharp surface of the knife. There are no bad hits, no aiming required. To make things worse, blood is a good lubricant, and with a knife involved there's going to be plenty, which makes grabbing even the knife hand tricky as fuck - which in itself doesn't do all that much even if you manage it.
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Post by: no_rules_just_play on October 04, 2013, 11:18:37 pm
Whatever the fuck is the most dangerous, i dont care because i dont need a gun to feel safe.
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Post by: Dooz on October 05, 2013, 12:14:09 am
can't shoot cancer
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Post by: Kalam on October 05, 2013, 12:38:34 am
I've generally stayed out of this debate but this is just silly. Most bullets available on the street generally leave small wounds unless they tumble ( which again most civilian available rounds don't). The only time they leave horrific wounds is if they shatter. If they pass clean through the body they are very survivable. On the other hand knives leave deep, wide gashes that can easily tear arteries or hit vital organs. The amount of surface area inside the body a knife stab will affect is much greater than any bullet which leads to much more scarring and greater long term problems. So I really don't understand how knives are less lethal or preferable.

A firearm is a ranged weapon.

You can't run away from it as easily. It can attack more targets in a shorter period of time. Most makeshift weapons won't do much for you, either.

A knife is great against a single person who's slower and/or has less experience with danger than you. You could pick up a chair and smack him in the face. You could pick up a big stick and do the same thing. Best of all, you can run!

Nerf ranged.


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Post by: AntiBlitz on October 05, 2013, 01:13:23 am
ok ok, no more debates, lets just talk bout Dem guns on page 1, or your guns.
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Post by: zagibu on October 05, 2013, 02:25:28 am
Okay, what do you think of these, they are the only ones I've ever fired:

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The rifle is damn heavy with 4.5 kg loaded. It's very sturdy, though, I've once fired over 200 shots (over 10 mags) in full auto in a very short period of time. The barrel was so hot it burned my back through the handguards and the uniform. But the gun took it well, it's still dead accurate, despite being used for 12 years now and having fired well over 2000 rounds in total.

The pistol I've only fired a few rounds with. I'm only sergeant, so I don't get my own. However, I was surprised how inaccurate handguns are. It wasn't that easy to hit a human-sized target some 20 m away for me. Sure, they were my first shots ever with a handgun, but still.
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Post by: [ptx] on October 05, 2013, 02:28:24 am
I know that that rifle is great in STALKER :lol:
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Post by: Clockworkkiller on October 05, 2013, 02:55:08 am
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http://www.cabelas.com/product/Gatling-Gun-Kit/741483.uts (http://www.cabelas.com/product/Gatling-Gun-Kit/741483.uts)

looks like i got to save up for 2 rugers


I know that that rifle is great in STALKER :lol:

never liked that one, prefered the G36 & Val
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Post by: AntiBlitz on October 05, 2013, 03:30:05 am
Okay, what do you think of these, they are the only ones I've ever fired:

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The rifle is damn heavy with 4.5 kg loaded. It's very sturdy, though, I've once fired over 200 shots (over 10 mags) in full auto in a very short period of time. The barrel was so hot it burned my back through the handguards and the uniform. But the gun took it well, it's still dead accurate, despite being used for 12 years now and having fired well over 2000 rounds in total.

The pistol I've only fired a few rounds with. I'm only sergeant, so I don't get my own. However, I was surprised how inaccurate handguns are. It wasn't that easy to hit a human-sized target some 20 m away for me. Sure, they were my first shots ever with a handgun, but still.

though i do collect guns, im not a whiz at knowing them all, and these idk the rifle from looking at it, though it looks like a H&K rifle or a Sig, one of the two.  Both are renowned gun smiths, creating some of the best weapons in the world.  My guess comes from the 3 things, the pistol grip, the sight ring, and the fire controls, clear give away lol.  Ya 10lbs is a very heavy gun, its tiring to hold up in those times where you are just holding it and staring at something for like 20mins, ive been there lol.  Im not a fan of the AK style magazine release, probably only because i have never used it repetitiously.

As for the hand gun its has to be a Sig, though that looks like a older model, its prolly the p220, used throughout the world.  Alot of agencies use the Sig and train with them, my only thing with it is the hammer, i dislike sidearms with a hammer because first off, it has to be double action, which this one is, and secondly unless you pull them hammer back, which is a nice safety feature, that first pull is around 8-12lbs, 8-12 fucking lbs is ridiculous, that means your first pull is going to be soo inaccurate because you have such a long trigger draw, while the rest of the shots will be at around 3lbs from the action pushing back the hammer.  Sigs are solid guns, but that hammer really kills it for me, as for the accuracy of handguns, yea they are abysmal, like i said in a previous post, there is a number( i think its like 1inch of movement at 25yards is 3feet off target, i dont remember if thats it or not, but its close enough).  Thats why handgun accuracy is all practice, if you can get down shooting without jerking the trigger u will become alot more accurate.  The trigger jerk is literally what everyone does, its the main problem as to the accuracy being off, other than the first pull.
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Post by: Christo on October 05, 2013, 03:44:37 am
Is that some variant of the G3?
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Post by: Butan on October 05, 2013, 04:01:45 am
Looks like an AK5.
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Post by: zagibu on October 05, 2013, 04:20:33 am
SIG P220 pistol and SIG 550 rifle. And yeah, i also noticed the very hard trigger pull on the first shot with the pistol.

Another problem of the rifle is the sheer length. It's almost a full meter long, which is quite unwieldy in urban combat. I wish the army would distribute the newer SIG 553 to all troops, not just special forces. It is much shorter and lighter and comes with a NATO rail. Of course, it's a bit less accurate, but who shoots at targets > 200m distance with an AR anyway?
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Post by: Kalam on October 05, 2013, 06:15:44 am
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 Of course, it's a bit less accurate, but who shoots at targets > 200m distance with an AR anyway?

The American military. D:
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Post by: Paul on October 05, 2013, 07:44:21 am
Swiss infantry rifles were designed for exceptional accuracy because it was assumed they'd mostly be used in defensive long range exchanges in mountainious terrain. 100m more effective range is a significant advantage there.
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Post by: Tibe on October 05, 2013, 09:19:47 am
Okay, what do you think of these, they are the only ones I've ever fired:
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The only proper firearm ive ever acctually fired too.
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Post by: Molly on October 05, 2013, 09:57:18 am
[...]though it looks like a H&K rifle or a Sig, one of the two.  Both are renowned gun smiths, creating some of the best weapons in the world.[...]

This came to my mind instantly. H&K fucked up. (http://militaryarms.blogspot.de/2012/04/german-army-reporting-problems-with-g36.html)

Don't get me on the source. The only English one I could find. The bureau responsible for acquiring army gear pointed that out in an official but "for official use only" paper years ago. It has been ignored.
One has to wonder which interests are secured here? Industry or soldier?
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Post by: Xant on October 05, 2013, 10:30:28 am
Whatever the fuck is the most dangerous, i dont care because i dont need a gun to feel safe.
Ah, yes, but you see rational people don't think with their feelings, like you do.
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Post by: BASNAK on October 05, 2013, 11:51:06 am
we ned gunz cuz wat if zombies cum they aint gonn kill dem selfes.


Awesome weapon collection :D
Always wanted real guns for practice shooting. I only have an airsoft rifle

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Post by: no_rules_just_play on October 05, 2013, 12:35:41 pm
Ah, yes, but you see rational people don't think with their feelings, like you do.
why does nobody feel safe in a nation where guns are allowed to be owned and used 'for their own protection', while people that are not allowed to have guns in their land do?
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Post by: Son Of Odin on October 05, 2013, 12:50:42 pm
Yep, hand guns are pretty crap. Good luck getting an aimed shot to hit the target after 10-15 meters. I should exclude some long barrel revolvers from this generalization but if you're 20 meters away from the guy with a pistol, you are pretty safe if you start running... He has to be a pretty good shot to hit you.

Hand guns are pretty much like throwing in crpg now that I think of it.
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Post by: zagibu on October 05, 2013, 12:56:23 pm
The American military. D:

Well, those M16s must be magical, then, because I can tell you it's practically impossible to hit a moving target at 200m with the SIG 550, even if your lying on the ground in the perfect sniping position. And I doubt you can do it with a cheaper rifle that has a shorter barrel.
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Post by: Xant on October 05, 2013, 01:36:35 pm
why does nobody feel safe in a nation where guns are allowed to be owned and used 'for their own protection', while people that are not allowed to have guns in their land do?
I'll answer that right after you prove that no Americans feel safe and all Europeans feel safe.
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Post by: no_rules_just_play on October 05, 2013, 02:13:24 pm
I'll answer that right after you prove that no Americans feel safe and all Europeans feel safe.
hurr durr, dont touch our guns, we need them for protection. hurr durr.

btw, you are not really argumenting. Try something else than:
"you used the word feel, now your argument is not rational anymore" or "I won't answer your argument untill you prove it"
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Post by: Xant on October 05, 2013, 02:29:45 pm
hurr durr, dont touch our guns, we need them for protection. hurr durr.

btw, you are not really argumenting. Try something else than:
"you used the word feel, now your argument is not rational anymore" or "I won't answer your argument untill you prove it"
Ok, I'll argument on your level:

All Europeans are scared because they don't have guns. All Americans feel safe because they have guns.
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Post by: Gnjus on October 05, 2013, 02:33:06 pm
Xant - whoever hurt your anus is a bad person, I assure you, but you can't spend the rest of your days arguing & hating everyone else just because of what happened to you. Your wounds won't heal like that, It doesn't work that way.
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Post by: no_rules_just_play on October 05, 2013, 02:38:49 pm
All Europeans are scared because they don't have guns. All Americans feel safe because they have guns.
europeans feel safe without guns, Americans feel safe only if they have guns (which would be argued as a false feeling of safety). Meanwhile, they have 5.5 homicides per 100.000 capita, while Europe has only 1.

Quote
Details of threats/assaults
Looking at what was said about the 'last incident', and again taking all countries together,
offenders were known in about half the incidents of both assaults and threats. Men, though,
were less likely to know the offender(s) than women. The latter finding indicates that violence
against women is of a different nature.
One offender is involved in 60 % of violent crimes against women, compared to 40 % in cases
of violence against men.
Taking assaults and threats together again, for all countries combined weapons were said to
have been used (if only as a threat) in just under 20% of incidents. The figure was higher with
male victims than with female victims. In more than 40% of incidents in which a weapon was
used, victims mentioned a knife, and in 12% a gun. In one in five cases the attack resulted in
injuries of which half required medical treatment.
From a global perspective, the rate of gun-related attacks in European countries is
comparatively low. As said, the same is true for street robberies at gun-point.
Although the prevalence rates for threats/assaults in Europe are roughly similar to those in the
USA, homicide rates are five times higher in the USA (1 per 100,000 in Europe and 5.5 in the
USA). The more serious nature of violent crime in the USA might be related to higher
ownership rates in handguns. According to the EU ICS 4 % of EU households own one or
more guns. The gun ownership rate in the USA is 29%.

source:http://www.europeansafetyobservatory.eu/downloads/EUICS%20-%20The%20Burden%20of%20Crime%20in%20the%20EU.pdf
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Post by: Xant on October 05, 2013, 02:47:54 pm
europeans feel safe without guns, Americans feel safe only if they have guns (which would be argued as a false feeling of safety). Meanwhile, they have 5.5 homicides per 100.000 capita, while Europe has only 1.

source:
Americans feel safe with guns, Europeans don't feel safe without guns.

For homicide rates and gun law correlations, refer to my post a couple pages ago. 5.5 is wrong btw.
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Post by: no_rules_just_play on October 05, 2013, 03:04:48 pm
Americans feel safe with guns, Europeans don't feel safe without guns.
what the fuck mate, can't even have a normal discussion with you

also add a source to your post, looking through 5 pages to find a post with unknown and unrated source was not worth my time..
Your 5 times higher homicide rate might be an average of different states, but so is the european statistic.

The problem is not really the legal use of firearms, but mostly the accesibility to them. Even if you live in a state where they are banned, there is still a huge influx of them from other states next to it.
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Post by: Clockworkkiller on October 05, 2013, 03:07:40 pm
I thought we all agreed to stop arguing....
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Post by: Xant on October 05, 2013, 03:10:43 pm
what the fuck mate, can't even have a normal discussion with you

also add a source to your post, looking through 5 pages to find a post with unknown and unrated source was not worth my time..
Your 5 times higher homicide rate might be an average of different states, but so is the european statistic.

The problem is not really the legal use of firearms, but mostly the accesibility to them. Even if you live in a state where they are banned, there is still a huge influx of them from other states next to it.
The source was FBI crime stats. And yes, the European one is an average. If accessibility of firearms is a problem, how do you explain the low homicide rate of f.ex New Hampshire? Or that of Russia? And China? Or that of European countries higher than New Hampshire's?

I love the fact that you're insulting your own argumentation, because I'm just copying you: claiming shit without any sort of evidence.
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Post by: Kafein on October 05, 2013, 03:27:36 pm
I propose to end the knife/gun debate by only allowing firearms as long as you put a bayonet on them.
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Post by: Tibe on October 05, 2013, 04:15:14 pm
Lets do that and call it a night.
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Post by: AntiBlitz on October 05, 2013, 04:16:22 pm
I thought we all agreed to stop arguing....

YOU THOUGH FUCKING WRONG!

Well, those M16s must be magical, then, because I can tell you it's practically impossible to hit a moving target at 200m with the SIG 550, even if your lying on the ground in the perfect sniping position. And I doubt you can do it with a cheaper rifle that has a shorter barrel.

Ive never tried shooting past 100 yards, only because thats as far as the local range goes, but with iron sights, sitting down, and posted up, i can put a pie plate size pattern on the target quite well, though i cant say i have fired quickly enough to cause severe overheating of the barrel.  I probably could shoot the moving target with a little practice, ive never actually tried a moving distant target before.

This came to my mind instantly. H&K fucked up. (http://militaryarms.blogspot.de/2012/04/german-army-reporting-problems-with-g36.html)

Don't get me on the source. The only English one I could find. The bureau responsible for acquiring army gear pointed that out in an official but "for official use only" paper years ago. It has been ignored.
One has to wonder which interests are secured here? Industry or soldier?

its a pretty new design for a rifle, and its only testing was the middle east conflicts thus far, honestly this kind of stuff could be compared to the original problems of the m16 during its first use in the 1960's.  It all will be worked out im sure, given time and money of course.

Intense criticism began in 1966, when soldiers and Marines in Vietnam reported that their rifles would jam during firefights. The worst malfunction was failure to extract, where a spent cartridge case remained lodged in the chamber after a round was fired. The only way to dislodge the case was to push a metal rod down the muzzle to force the case out, which took valuable time away from returning fire. In 1967, a then-classified Army report showed that out of 1,585 troops questioned in a survey, 80 percent (1,268 troops) experienced a stoppage while firing. This occurred while the Army insisted to the public that the M16 was the best rifle available for fighting in Vietnam. A 1967 Congressional subcommittee investigation found the Army failed to ensure the weapon and ammunition worked well together, failed to train troops on the new weapon, and neglected to issue enough cleaning equipment, including a cleaning rod to clear jammed rifles. Most problems were remedied with the issuing of the M16A1.

what id actually like to see is the new Israeli rifle, and the French Famas, i just think those things are so unique and cool, i want one!  maybe im just a sucker for bullpup designs, i think personally those are the wave of the future, bullpup is great, shorter overall design while keeping a a longer barrel, its weight is positioned more towards the body rather then being stretched out, and the recoil is less controllable due to the bullpup design, but that seems like a fair trade off.  I only wonder how they perform at a distance, since clearly these look to have been made for the area they live within, all tha urban combat.

Israeli Tavor Tar-21
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French Famas G2
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I really want one of these but they havent been imported since the 80's and they are going for around $10,000 dollars, which is stupid steep.  Ya bro, im jelly.


I found this site ages ago, and it has a lot of information on it, in the top left corner you can change the field to other weapon styles and it will show what each country used or invented.

http://world.guns.ru/rifle-e.html
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Post by: Lt_Anders on October 05, 2013, 04:27:01 pm
If we are talking about crappy gun desgins...UK's SA80. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SA80#Service_and_modification)
Such a bad design, the clip would randomly fall out of the gun during firing. Was really really pathetic.
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Post by: Paul on October 05, 2013, 05:02:28 pm
From an engineering point of view I'm kinda sceptical with bullpup because of the huge distance between trigger and chamber as well as the latter being behind the first. Needs a lot mechanical effort to bridge that gap and that opens up for failure. Also having a catastrophic failure happen in your face might be unpleasant.
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Post by: Xant on October 05, 2013, 05:56:55 pm
I've heard Famas is really crap.
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Post by: Clockworkkiller on October 05, 2013, 07:09:41 pm
I've heard Famas is really crap.

its from france, famous for the legendary chauchat
flinging actual crap would be more reliable

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chauchat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chauchat)
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Post by: Kafein on October 05, 2013, 07:11:47 pm
Bullup designed weapons tend to be bullet hoses, because you want to use them from up close anyway.
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Post by: AntiBlitz on October 05, 2013, 09:44:14 pm
From an engineering point of view I'm kinda sceptical with bullpup because of the huge distance between trigger and chamber as well as the latter being behind the first. Needs a lot mechanical effort to bridge that gap and that opens up for failure. Also having a catastrophic failure happen in your face might be unpleasant.

ya whenever you have to make things more complicated to work the room for error increases, but alot of countries are converting to these style of weapons for some reason, must be good or else they wouldn't have done it.  Surprised we as a nation(U.S) havent decided its time to upgrade, idk maybe they dont see anything wrong with the current, M4 that would need upgraded.

Bullup designed weapons tend to be bullet hoses, because you want to use them from up close anyway.

ya these are built with the intention of leaving a 16-18inch barrel though, while giving the person the length of a weapon imitating a 12-14 inch barrel, so its dramatically smaller, which allows for better handling in room clearing and close quarters stuff, while not sacrificing the ability to fight from afar if need be. 


Iran's new Battle Rifle, the Kh-2002
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China's Battle Rifle, the QBZ-95
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South Africa's Battle Rifle, the Vektor CR-21
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Singapore's Battle Rifle, the SAR 21
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Post by: no_rules_just_play on October 05, 2013, 09:56:53 pm
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lol

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKQdkS0qG3g&feature=youtube_gdata_player

On my phone so i hope it works
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Post by: Xant on October 05, 2013, 10:29:40 pm
alot of countries are converting to these style of weapons for some reason, must be good or else they wouldn't have done it.
It's rare for bureaucracy to actually find a solution that is optimal. Just as likely, if not more so, is that the weapon company making these bullpup rifles got the government contracts for some other, less noble reasons.
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Post by: Clockworkkiller on October 05, 2013, 10:33:49 pm
if i can atleast hold one of these before i die, ill die a happy loser
kickin it oldschool, WW2 style


German FG-42
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Post by: BASNAK on October 06, 2013, 12:01:24 am
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A gun I'd love to have :D
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Post by: Kalam on October 06, 2013, 12:28:17 am
Well, those M16s must be magical, then, because I can tell you it's practically impossible to hit a moving target at 200m with the SIG 550, even if your lying on the ground in the perfect sniping position. And I doubt you can do it with a cheaper rifle that has a shorter barrel.

People do it with pop up targets regularly. Not everyone, mind you. Like one soldier in one hundred.
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Post by: zagibu on October 06, 2013, 01:57:03 am
Surprised we as a nation(U.S) havent decided its time to upgrade, idk maybe they dont see anything wrong with the current, M4 that would need upgraded.

Well, yes, they do. It's a long overdue task, actually:
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Combat_Rifle
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objective_Individual_Combat_Weapon
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_SCAR#Evolution

I think the main problem is logistics. A new rifle would have to provide significantly better performance than what they have at the moment, and i think it's just not possible with dumb ammunition to reach that. The approach that combines a grenade launcher with programmable grenades and a conventional AR for self-defense in close engagements sounds very effective. It's just damn heavy. And expensive. But firing a grenade so that it explodes in the air, exactly after it has passed the cover of the target is the way to go, IMO.
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Post by: AntiBlitz on October 06, 2013, 07:42:22 am
Well, yes, they do. It's a long overdue task, actually:
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Combat_Rifle
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objective_Individual_Combat_Weapon
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_SCAR#Evolution

I think the main problem is logistics. A new rifle would have to provide significantly better performance than what they have at the moment, and i think it's just not possible with dumb ammunition to reach that. The approach that combines a grenade launcher with programmable grenades and a conventional AR for self-defense in close engagements sounds very effective. It's just damn heavy. And expensive. But firing a grenade so that it explodes in the air, exactly after it has passed the cover of the target is the way to go, IMO.

kind of funny that you linked that, as i actually have not only been on but live just 30minutes away from Aberdeen Proving Ground, where they test all those guns.

if i can atleast hold one of these before i die, ill die a happy loser
kickin it oldschool, WW2 style


German FG-42
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Where do you live? you could probably find a gun show near you, at these gun shows you will find things that you cant even own, and more.  They will surely have one of these there if you go to a large one.

It's rare for bureaucracy to actually find a solution that is optimal. Just as likely, if not more so, is that the weapon company making these bullpup rifles got the government contracts for some other, less noble reasons.

The U.S government a few years back tried to replace the M9 pistol and opened the doors to several of the big name companies asking them to create a replacement pistol.  The requirements werent very high, they asked for it to be built in conjunction with some sort of personal defense weapon, like a sub machine gun for pilots, asked for it to have increased stats over the 9mm, and said that it had to pierce certain types of body armor as well as a helmet at close range.  Two companies came to the call, FN Herstal, and H&K.  FNH created the FiveSeven, and the P90 with a 5.7x28mm.  H&K created the HK UCP and MP7 firing a 4.6x30mm.  This new firearm would become the NATO new standard for PDW's and pistols, once the testing was done, the news was presented to them and they chose FN Herstal.  Needless to say, Germany was quite upset over the testing and denounced it lol, in turn there is now no set standard for this because Germany presumably feels as though H&K is better. 
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Post by: Kafein on October 06, 2013, 12:17:58 pm
The U.S government a few years back tried to replace the M9 pistol and opened the doors to several of the big name companies asking them to create a replacement pistol.  The requirements werent very high, they asked for it to be built in conjunction with some sort of personal defense weapon, like a sub machine gun for pilots, asked for it to have increased stats over the 9mm, and said that it had to pierce certain types of body armor as well as a helmet at close range.  Two companies came to the call, FN Herstal, and H&K.  FNH created the FiveSeven, and the P90 with a 5.7x28mm.  H&K created the HK UCP and MP7 firing a 4.6x30mm.  This new firearm would become the NATO new standard for PDW's and pistols, once the testing was done, the news was presented to them and they chose FN Herstal.  Needless to say, Germany was quite upset over the testing and denounced it lol, in turn there is now no set standard for this because Germany presumably feels as though H&K is better.

Silly Germans defying the might of Herstal.
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Post by: Xant on October 06, 2013, 12:44:30 pm
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I can only imagine the joy of carrying this thing around.
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Post by: Gnjus on October 06, 2013, 01:09:04 pm
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I can only imagine the joy of carrying this thing around.


At your age you should be imagining the joys of "hanging out" with women, not rifles. Something is rotten in the state of Finland.
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Post by: Tibe on October 06, 2013, 01:11:34 pm
For some people there is regular porn and to some there is gunporn. Man I wouldnt share a rifle with you even if my life depended on it, sticky barrels and shit.
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Post by: Xant on October 06, 2013, 01:24:41 pm

At your age you should be imagining the joys of "hanging out" with women, not rifles. Something is rotten in the state of Finland.
Women are overrated. Don't know why I'd want to hang out with them.
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Post by: Gnjus on October 06, 2013, 01:36:55 pm
Women are overrated. Don't know why I'd want to hang out with them.


Maybe because squirting into them (or all over them) feels much better then waxing a guy with any rifle out there.
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Post by: Xant on October 06, 2013, 01:45:44 pm
Well, now that's just plain untrue.
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Post by: zagibu on October 06, 2013, 01:55:32 pm
If you are a little Xant, a rifle makes you xanter.

Also, you don't hang out with women, women hang out with you.
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Post by: Molly on October 06, 2013, 02:17:29 pm
[...]
Also, you don't hang out with women, women hang out with you.
This is actually very true and makes huge difference. :D
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Post by: Xant on October 06, 2013, 03:03:07 pm
This is actually very true and makes huge difference. :D
It only holds true for nerds and beta men. Protip: if you stop thinking about it like that, the chances of it being true are also lessened.
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Post by: Son Of Odin on October 06, 2013, 03:29:19 pm
Oh this is somekind of PUA- meeting now?
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Post by: Xant on October 06, 2013, 07:43:55 pm
The chief foundations of all states, new as well as old or composite, are good laws and good arms; and as there cannot be good laws where the state is not well armed, it follows that where they are well armed they have good laws.

Among other evils which being unarmed brings you, it causes you to be despised.

It is enough to ask somebody for his weapons without saying 'I want to kill you with them', because when you have his weapons in hand, you can satisfy your desire.

When you disarm the people, you commence to offend them and show that you distrust them either through cowardice or lack of confidence, and both of these opinions generate hatred.

Before all else, be armed.
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Post by: Kalam on October 06, 2013, 08:53:00 pm
You're (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bankruptcy_Abuse_Prevention_and_Consumer_Protection_Act) sure a well-armed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_%28United_States%29) state (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-miscegenation_laws_in_the_United_States) prevents bad laws? (http://www.theatlanticcities.com/housing/2013/04/states-where-its-still-legal-discriminate-against-gays-single-women-and-poor-housing/5273/)

Alright, that might be a small part of it, but surely, education is more important. You can tell an ignorant person to believe in anything, and as long as you appeal to his inherent biases, he's going to believe it. If our citizens don't think for themselves, it doesn't matter if they're armed. Every kid should be forced to learn the law. Not just law school students.

Sorry for that digression.

In other news, I'm looking at a Walther PPS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walther_PPS). Thoughts?
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Post by: Xant on October 06, 2013, 08:56:19 pm
An unarmed state gets the laws the armed men gives it
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Post by: Lt_Anders on October 06, 2013, 09:47:28 pm
The chief foundations of all states, new as well as old or composite, are good laws and good arms; and as there cannot be good laws where the state is not well armed, it follows that where they are well armed they have good laws.

Among other evils which being unarmed brings you, it causes you to be despised.

It is enough to ask somebody for his weapons without saying 'I want to kill you with them', because when you have his weapons in hand, you can satisfy your desire.

When you disarm the people, you commence to offend them and show that you distrust them either through cowardice or lack of confidence, and both of these opinions generate hatred.

Before all else, be armed.

you can get more with a kind word and a gun, then you can with just a kind word.  :wink:

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Post by: Xant on October 06, 2013, 09:53:54 pm
They're all from Machiavelli, so they're all just as old.
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Post by: Kafein on October 07, 2013, 09:39:18 am
You get more asking politely with a gun in your hand than just asking politely. Political power comes from the barrel of a rifle.
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Post by: Xant on October 07, 2013, 11:41:45 am
The personal, as everyone's so fucking fond of saying, is political. So if some idiot politician, some power player, tries to execute policies that harm you or those you care about, take it personally. Get angry. The Machinery of Justice will not serve you here – it is slow and cold, and it is theirs, hardware and soft-. Only the little people suffer at the hands of Justice; the creatures of power slide out from under with a wink and a grin. If you want justice, you will have to claw it from them. Make it personal. Do as much damage as you can. Get your message across. That way you stand a far better chance of being taken seriously next time. Of being considered dangerous. And make no mistake about this: being taken seriously, being considered dangerous, marks the difference – the only difference in their eyes – between players and little people. Players they will make deals with. Little people they liquidate. And time and again they cream your liquidation, your displacement, your torture and brutal execution with the ultimate insult that it's just business, it's politics, it's the way of the world, it's a tough life, and that it's nothing personal. Well, fuck them. Make it personal.

Things I Should Have Learnt by Now, Volume II
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Post by: Kafein on October 07, 2013, 12:19:31 pm
The personal, as everyone's so fucking fond of saying, is political. So if some idiot politician, some power player, tries to execute policies that harm you or those you care about, take it personally. Get angry. The Machinery of Justice will not serve you here – it is slow and cold, and it is theirs, hardware and soft-. Only the little people suffer at the hands of Justice; the creatures of power slide out from under with a wink and a grin. If you want justice, you will have to claw it from them. Make it personal. Do as much damage as you can. Get your message across. That way you stand a far better chance of being taken seriously next time. Of being considered dangerous. And make no mistake about this: being taken seriously, being considered dangerous, marks the difference – the only difference in their eyes – between players and little people. Players they will make deals with. Little people they liquidate. And time and again they cream your liquidation, your displacement, your torture and brutal execution with the ultimate insult that it's just business, it's politics, it's the way of the world, it's a tough life, and that it's nothing personal. Well, fuck them. Make it personal.

Things I Should Have Learnt by Now, Volume II

Xant sounding more and more like the typical my old friendcher forum activist
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Post by: Xant on October 07, 2013, 02:53:19 pm
If you start finding yourself thinking that something true sounds like something a my old friendcher forum activist would say, then it's time to seriously consider the implications of that.
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Post by: Kafein on October 07, 2013, 06:45:12 pm
If you start finding yourself thinking that something true sounds like something a my old friendcher forum activist would say, then it's time to seriously consider the implications of that.

I was just referring to the sharp eagerness of Xynox and Rumblood to show the world of shit they live in. That last quote of yours was nicely attuned to that.
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Post by: Xant on October 07, 2013, 06:59:03 pm
I was just referring to the sharp eagerness of Xynox and Rumblood to show the world of shit they live in. That last quote of yours was nicely attuned to that.

 Is it a wolf I hear,
 Howling his lonely communion
 With the unpiloted stars,
 Or merely the self importance and servitude
 In the bark of a dog?
 How many millennia did it take,
 Twisting and torturing
 The pride from the one
 To make a tool,
 The other?
 And how do we measure the distance from spirit to spirit?
 And who do we find to blame?

Poems and Other Prevarications
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Post by: Rumblood on October 08, 2013, 06:29:36 am
I was just referring to the sharp eagerness of Xynox and Rumblood to show the world of shit they live in. That last quote of yours was nicely attuned to that.

That's an ironic statement given that it is melee always trying to convince everyone of the world of shit they live in and wanting to force changes to ranged as a result. You never see ranged posting to buff their class, you ALWAYS see melee posting to nerf it. And yet you try to portray the situation as the ranged making the complaints? Brilliant.  :lol:
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Post by: Kafein on October 08, 2013, 10:26:43 am
That's an ironic statement given that it is melee always trying to convince everyone of the world of shit they live in and wanting to force changes to ranged as a result. You never see ranged posting to buff their class, you ALWAYS see melee posting to nerf it. And yet you try to portray the situation as the ranged making the complaints? Brilliant.  :lol:

No, it has nothing to do with the game actually. Several important archer figures have not been very discrete about their RL situation like they inhabit a warzone or something. Much of their family died of gunshots or knife wounds, or they live in a trailer park and would welcome a tax assessor with 12ga buckshot. They aren't even really complaining but rather stating that the entire world is a place as shitty as where they live, and humanity is unlovable as a whole.
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Post by: Xant on October 08, 2013, 01:09:59 pm
You know, Kafein, I read all your posts in horrible anticipation of the space question mark, ready to take it like a slap in the face, but then it never comes and I feel betrayed.
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Post by: Kafein on October 08, 2013, 01:21:48 pm
You know, Kafein, I read all your posts in horrible anticipation of the space question mark, ready to take it like a slap in the face, but then it never comes and I feel betrayed.

why
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Post by: Xant on October 08, 2013, 01:25:35 pm
It's like opening a closet when you know someone is hiding in there waiting to scare you, and then it turns out nobody was in the closet after all.

traumatizing
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Post by: AntiBlitz on October 08, 2013, 02:01:28 pm
No, it has nothing to do with the game actually. Several important archer figures have not been very discrete about their RL situation like they inhabit a warzone or something. Much of their family died of gunshots or knife wounds, or they live in a trailer park and would welcome a tax assessor with 12ga buckshot. They aren't even really complaining but rather stating that the entire world is a place as shitty as where they live, and humanity is unlovable as a whole.

if it makes you all feel any better, in Crpg i play as a shielder, and i complain about hipsters with espadas and sideswords, kicking, and weapon slots.
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Post by: Butan on October 08, 2013, 02:18:24 pm
I play a tincan because life is so hard, I dont want to feel the pain anymore, so I hide behind a wall of metal to protect me from the exterior world.


I hope I was on topic.
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Post by: Kafein on October 08, 2013, 02:43:18 pm
if it makes you all feel any better, in Crpg i play as a shielder, and i complain about hipsters with espadas and sideswords, kicking, and weapon slots.

If someone spots you complaining about kicks as a shielder, be ready for a shower of l2p shaddap whiner lobbyist comments
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Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on October 08, 2013, 04:25:28 pm
I play as a horsearcher because I'm a sadistic asshole.
ftfy
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Post by: AntiBlitz on October 08, 2013, 05:03:21 pm
If someone spots you complaining about kicks as a shielder, be ready for a shower of l2p shaddap whiner lobbyist comments

well looking at the original post, i think i can hold my own, but on a side note i think its quite sad that someone has to change their play style because they know all 2h will eventually try kicking you, over and over again.  I end up fighting from this weird angle of strafing and backpedeling to keep just enough distance as to not get kicked, rather than playing aggressively like i normally would try.
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Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on October 08, 2013, 05:06:24 pm
well looking at the original post, i think i can hold my own, but on a side note i think its quite sad that someone has to change their play style because they know all 2h will eventually try kicking you, over and over again.  I end up fighting from this weird angle of strafing and backpedeling to keep just enough distance as to not get kicked, rather than playing aggressively like i normally would try.
Same way 2h can't just facehug spam because then you'd nudge and stab them in the face. Also, if you learn to anticipate kicks they aren't very hard to jump over or even kickchamber.
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Post by: AntiBlitz on October 08, 2013, 07:52:52 pm
Same way 2h can't just facehug spam because then you'd nudge and stab them in the face. Also, if you learn to anticipate kicks they aren't very hard to jump over or even kickchamber.

i really dont use any of the nudge, because i think its pointless to nudge someone, you gain nothing but prolonging the fight, and the nudge hit is abusive.  Ya its just sad though that i have to battle with anticipation the whole bout because i know the inevitable is/will be coming.
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Post by: Nightmare798 on October 09, 2013, 08:53:39 pm
i wonder where the hell did you get athorization to own assault rifles. correct me if i am mistaken, but arent there special laws for assault rifles?
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Post by: Xant on October 09, 2013, 08:56:38 pm
You are wrong.
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Post by: AntiBlitz on October 09, 2013, 09:55:21 pm
i wonder where the hell did you get athorization to own assault rifles. correct me if i am mistaken, but arent there special laws for assault rifles?

state laws, i am authorized to own them, because when i purchased them, i applied for their ownership.  Most states do the same thing with handguns and assault rifles.  Unless you live in a state like california, or live in Washington D.C, there arent much in the way of restrictions, albeit you arent a felon.
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Post by: Kafein on October 10, 2013, 12:34:14 am
Who the hell lives in D.C. anyway


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Post by: Nightmare798 on October 10, 2013, 11:15:38 am
state laws, i am authorized to own them, because when i purchased them, i applied for their ownership.  Most states do the same thing with handguns and assault rifles.  Unless you live in a state like california, or you like in Washington D.C, there arent much in the way of restrictions, albeit you arent a felon.

my bad, i thought that atomatic rifles are prohibited from civilians unless they have some kind of special permission.
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Post by: Sniger on October 10, 2013, 01:44:24 pm
and the specs of the dog?
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Post by: AntiBlitz on October 11, 2013, 04:28:12 pm
and the specs of the dog?

thats a wolf.
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Post by: Osiris on October 12, 2013, 05:12:38 pm
Pro-gun groups in the US have declared that the first anniversary of the shooting in Sandy Hook, where 20 schoolchildren and six adults were killed, should be named "Guns Save Lives Day".

The Second Amendment Foundation said it wants to "show America that there is a good side to guns".

"We are proclaiming Saturday, December 14 as Guns Save Lives Day,” said Alan Gottlieb, president of the Second Amendment Foundation and chairman of the Citizens Committee.

http://news.sky.com/story/1153645/pro-gun-campaign-on-sandy-hook-anniversary

just wtf really :D
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Post by: zagibu on October 12, 2013, 05:50:14 pm
It's a bit cynical. Just a tiny bit.
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Post by: Xant on October 12, 2013, 05:55:09 pm
Pro-gun groups in the US have declared that the first anniversary of the shooting in Sandy Hook, where 20 schoolchildren and six adults were killed, should be named "Guns Save Lives Day".

The Second Amendment Foundation said it wants to "show America that there is a good side to guns".

"We are proclaiming Saturday, December 14 as Guns Save Lives Day,” said Alan Gottlieb, president of the Second Amendment Foundation and chairman of the Citizens Committee.

http://news.sky.com/story/1153645/pro-gun-campaign-on-sandy-hook-anniversary

just wtf really :D
Yeah, another shooting in a No Guns Allowed zone....
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Post by: Osiris on October 12, 2013, 06:07:46 pm
im not saying if guns or good or bad in the hands of the public i just loled at the timing of guns are good day :D IMO ban guns legalize swords then we will probably see much less use :D
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Post by: Butan on October 12, 2013, 07:15:03 pm
im not saying if guns or good or bad in the hands of the public i just loled at the timing of guns are good day :D IMO ban guns legalize swords then we will probably see much less use :D


If you ban guns it doesnt mean the black market will disappear  :P


To the same extent, they chose this day not to be "cynical" but to show that guns in the good hands could have prevented someone shooting unarmed civilians.
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Post by: Osiris on October 12, 2013, 07:29:29 pm
it Could have sure but a ban on guns or more stringent checks could have prevented way more :P
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Post by: Zomg on October 12, 2013, 07:49:02 pm
Have you ever use P220 Compact?
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Post by: AntiBlitz on October 12, 2013, 11:04:45 pm
http://news.sky.com/story/1153645/pro-gun-campaign-on-sandy-hook-anniversary

just wtf really :D

i understand what they are trying to achieve here, but i think the execution is poor lol.

Have you ever use P220 Compact?

i have not actually, though i know of them and i know how they fire, why whats up?  gotta question bout it?
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Post by: Clockworkkiller on October 12, 2013, 11:08:05 pm
Gun bans wouldn't have stopped sandy, Lanza shot up the school because of MENTAL issues. Guns aren't the probelm, lack of mental health care is
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Post by: Butan on October 12, 2013, 11:15:11 pm
Gun bans wouldn't have stopped sandy, Lanza shot up the school because of MENTAL issues. Guns aren't the probelm, lack of mental health care is


More like lack of mental stability in human is.
And there is only one cure for stopping being a human  :lol:
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Post by: Osiris on October 12, 2013, 11:20:23 pm
Gun bans wouldn't have stopped sandy, Lanza shot up the school because of MENTAL issues. Guns aren't the probelm, lack of mental health care is

maybe but in most other countries mental guys dont shoot up schools because they cant get guns or dont know the underground people to get them
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Post by: Xant on October 12, 2013, 11:29:18 pm
Gun bans wouldn't have stopped sandy, Lanza shot up the school because of MENTAL issues. Guns aren't the probelm, lack of mental health care is
Yeah, but the ban of gun bans could have stopped Sandy.
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Post by: zagibu on October 13, 2013, 12:50:43 am
This is relevant:
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Post by: Xant on October 13, 2013, 12:58:25 am
This, too, is relevant:

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Post by: Zomg on October 13, 2013, 02:05:54 am
i understand what they are trying to achieve here, but i think the execution is poor lol.

i have not actually, though i know of them and i know how they fire, why whats up?  gotta question bout it?

Wanted to know their design, how they react to their users, accuracy, et cetera.
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Post by: AntiBlitz on October 13, 2013, 05:05:20 am
Wanted to know their design, how they react to their users, accuracy, et cetera.

it wont come with a safety, the hammer is the safety, most people dont understand why guns dont have safeties, but if you are drawing a gun, all you need is one other thing to have to do before you fire.  With a compact your going to have around an 1inch shorter barrel, which means the accuracy will suffer at ranges, but that wouldnt be an issue considering if it is used for self defense, most problems occur very closely.  I said in a previous post that firearms with hammers like the p220 will create a very heavy trigger pull on your first shot, normally around 12lbs, which is significant considering the rest would be around 3-6lbs.  This means your first shot will more than likely be horrible,  id really recommend a firearm without a double action, it will truly be the best firearm wanting to train, with the safety factor aside.  If you have children or people who arent gun savvy around the house, having the double action of the p220 allows that safety factor of making them have to pull that trigger hard before it will go off, as its drawing that whole hammer. 

I've really heard nothing but praise from Sig Sauer firearms, they are world renowned and the p220 is used by police agencies around the world.  As for other the ergonomics of the grip, or the accuracy, or the action feedback i really cant comment on it too much as ive never fired it, only heard of it being spoken about at the range by other owners.

On a side note,  If you lived near me, which i dont think you do, i would provide you firing lessons or help you learn to shoot.  I'd rather train someone with right way then allow someone to self train and learn incorrectly.
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Post by: Zomg on October 13, 2013, 06:51:19 am
I am hoping to get myself some sort of training and a license to carry. Though not sure when or how, as it is kind of expensive and need some extensive reasoning, to get a license to carry, concealed or otherwise.
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Post by: zagibu on October 13, 2013, 05:23:23 pm
If I was American and had the wish to carry a gun, I'd go for something classic like a Colt 1911 or something. You know, support local manufacturers, not some foreign company.

What i don't understand about the whole double action / single action discussion...can't you use a double action like a single action? I mean, they usually do have additional security triggers, right? So couldn't you carry it with the hammer cocked and essentially have a single action weapon?
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Post by: Rumblood on October 13, 2013, 05:56:56 pm
If I was American and had the wish to carry a gun, I'd go for something classic like a Colt 1911 or something. You know, support local manufacturers, not some foreign company.

What i don't understand about the whole double action / single action discussion...can't you use a double action like a single action? I mean, they usually do have additional security triggers, right? So couldn't you carry it with the hammer cocked and essentially have a single action weapon?

Yes, because shooting yourself with your own weapon by accident is so haute couture  :lol:
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Post by: zagibu on October 13, 2013, 06:18:41 pm
Which part of additional security triggers did you not understand?
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Post by: AntiBlitz on October 14, 2013, 03:07:01 pm
Which part of additional security triggers did you not understand?

you are right alot of firearms will have additional safety measures built in to either the grip, or a push button/lever for the safety, though id truly recommend if you are carrying this concealed not to have those, as if the time arises that it needs pulled, you need to be able to fire it instantly, not flicking and pushing buttons for 5 more seconds while the world around you falls down.  If you plan on using this for a home defense gun, then by all means safety is paramount, you have the children, the wife/gf, and others who could harm themselves so having these features is a better safer way of keeping a handgun at the ready when you have the time to turn those safeties off and use the weapon.

to answer the other question, no you wouldnt want to leave the hammer cocked back, because the problem is the trigger becomes ultra sensitive at that point, and is under the requirement of between a 3-6lbs draw normally or lighter if it was built custom with a feather draw.  The other problem is, leaving it cocked the whole time could lead to the possibility of the hammer falling from something failing internally, dropping the hammer and firing the round, better to not leave it to fate to shoot yourself or someone else by accidental discharge.
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Post by: F i n on October 14, 2013, 03:24:17 pm
Welcome to my world, it includes ALOT of guns

just... why?
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Post by: zagibu on October 14, 2013, 03:25:15 pm
But how do single action guns work, then? Aren't they simply double action without the possibility to pull the hammer back with the trigger? I read on wikipedia that original revolvers are "single action", and as far as I know, you always had to manually pull back the hammer first.
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Post by: Lt_Anders on October 14, 2013, 06:54:46 pm
But how do single action guns work, then? Aren't they simply double action without the possibility to pull the hammer back with the trigger? I read on wikipedia that original revolvers are "single action", and as far as I know, you always had to manually pull back the hammer first.

Pull hammer back, pull trigger.(2 actions, but each HAS to be done seperately for fire) Pulling the hammer back on a single action, would also cycle the bullet in the chamber, hence another reason it had to be done.

Double Action does all of that for you.
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Post by: Zomg on October 14, 2013, 10:05:46 pm
you are right alot of firearms will have additional safety measures built in to either the grip, or a push button/lever for the safety, though id truly recommend if you are carrying this concealed not to have those, as if the time arises that it needs pulled, you need to be able to fire it instantly, not flicking and pushing buttons for 5 more seconds while the world around you falls down.  If you plan on using this for a home defense gun, then by all means safety is paramount, you have the children, the wife/gf, and others who could harm themselves so having these features is a better safer way of keeping a handgun at the ready when you have the time to turn those safeties off and use the weapon.

to answer the other question, no you wouldnt want to leave the hammer cocked back, because the problem is the trigger becomes ultra sensitive at that point, and is under the requirement of between a 3-6lbs draw normally or lighter if it was built custom with a feather draw.  The other problem is, leaving it cocked the whole time could lead to the possibility of the hammer falling from something failing internally, dropping the hammer and firing the round, better to not leave it to fate to shoot yourself or someone else by accidental discharge.

If I am not wrong, you are not allowed to have a loaded firearms in many US States. And those who allow loaded firearms (clips), they also do not allow the owners to have a firearm with a bullet in its chambers. Am I wrong?
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Post by: AntiBlitz on October 15, 2013, 01:25:44 am
But how do single action guns work, then? Aren't they simply double action without the possibility to pull the hammer back with the trigger? I read on wikipedia that original revolvers are "single action", and as far as I know, you always had to manually pull back the hammer first.

 yes single action requires the hammer to be cocked back every time, double action is allowing the trigger to pull the hammer back, which in modern firearms is only the first trigger pull which then the slide resets the hammer every time.

If I am not wrong, you are not allowed to have a loaded firearms in many US States. And those who allow loaded firearms (clips), they also do not allow the owners to have a firearm with a bullet in its chambers. Am I wrong?

most states during transportation of the firearm dont allow it to be loaded, if you have a permit to carry it, i wouldnt see why they wouldnt allow it to be loaded lol, would defeat the purpose i would think, but then again, some states makes dumb laws, so this could indeed be true, however in my state it is not.

just... why?

well most of it is for hunting, the other half of it is collecting them, kind of like a hobby of mine, i collect them because i think they are appealing, and i can also trade them for large sums of cash.  I dont think they would depreciate nearly the same as say a stamp, baseball card, or action figure might do.

Also i own guns because i must, because it is my job.
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Post by: zagibu on October 15, 2013, 01:44:40 am
yes single action requires the hammer to be cocked back every time, double action is allowing the trigger to pull the hammer back, which in modern firearms is only the first trigger pull which then the slide resets the hammer every time.

But why are you then recommending single action over double action if the latter can do the same? I mean, the first trigger pull thing is something you can do IN ADDITION to manually pulling the hammer back, right?
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Post by: AntiBlitz on October 15, 2013, 02:33:01 am
But why are you then recommending single action over double action if the latter can do the same? I mean, the first trigger pull thing is something you can do IN ADDITION to manually pulling the hammer back, right?

no no lol im not, im telling them to not buy a double action modern pistol, get one without a hammer. Modern pistols(not revolvers) come in two options, hammer exposed(double action), hammerless(still double action per se, but the hammer is internal, or non existent within the firearm).  Im telling them to get a hammerless pistol, less things to do to go bang.  I apologize for any confusion lol, normally the term single action is a sole reference to a revolver where each shot required the hammer to be pulled before firing, where as the double action was a term that was kind of drug into the modern firearms vocabulary because of the way they were initially constructed, most firearms having been made with a hammer, to mimic revolvers.

Glock, note the hammerless design(upon inserting the magazine and pulling the slide back, you have chambered a round, and the firing pin has been pulled back and is now ready to fire, upon discharging, the slide resets the pin again, allowing another shot, and so on and so forth)
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1911 style with hammer
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Post by: zagibu on October 15, 2013, 02:45:36 am
I see. Thanks for the explanation.
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Post by: FrugFrug on October 15, 2013, 04:39:41 am
The guns are cool and all, but that air hockey table is amazing.
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Post by: Zomg on October 15, 2013, 05:59:14 am
Question. In your State, are you allowed to buy or/and use full metal jacket rounds, in addition to hollow-point rounds? As I did not make a research and want to know it as a fact. Some EU Countries, mostly eastern, uses FMJ Rounds while western EU Countries and US Police, at any level, uses hollow-point, to reduce the risk of getting by-standers shot as well.

An another question, again, regarding the bullets and gun itself. Is there any regulations for different bullets with different diameters, like .45 and 9mm? That also goes for higher caliber weapons.

You can't always see a gun enthusiast that is open to answer many questions. So I will keep bombarding you with some more.
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Post by: AntiBlitz on October 15, 2013, 04:21:53 pm
I see. Thanks for the explanation.

no problem :)

The guns are cool and all, but that air hockey table is amazing.

we caught it on sale for like 100 bucks, its pretty cool, my only gripe is that it needs a more powerful fan to really push a ton of air through, its not as strong as those industrial ones at the arcades.



Question. In your State, are you allowed to buy or/and use full metal jacket rounds, in addition to hollow-point rounds? As I did not make a research and want to know it as a fact. Some EU Countries, mostly eastern, uses FMJ Rounds while western EU Countries and US Police, at any level, uses hollow-point, to reduce the risk of getting by-standers shot as well.

An another question, again, regarding the bullets and gun itself. Is there any regulations for different bullets with different diameters, like .45 and 9mm? That also goes for higher caliber weapons.

You can't always see a gun enthusiast that is open to answer many questions. So I will keep bombarding you with some more.

My state has no such restrictions on ammunition with the exception of soft tip rounds for hunting, however the state of New Jersey does, and actually i think its the only state that has such a restriction in the whole country.  The state of New Jersey bans possession of hollow point bullets by civilians except for ammunition possessed at one's dwelling, premises or other land owned or possessed. The law also requires all hollow point ammunition to be transported directly from the place of purchase to one's home, or by members of a rifle or pistol club directly to a place of target practice, or directly to an authorized target range from the place of purchase or one's home.

There isnt any sort of regulation on the the caliber of firearm as much as there is a regulation on the firearms themselves.  I think the only thing you cant own in Maryland are grenade launchers, bazookas, flamethrowers, lol essentially all the extreme things, and even those i think you can own as long as you get a license for them.

This link shows which weapons they have regulated, but none of them have restrictions on owning them, so to own one is as simple as filling out the paperwork and passing.  Well until October 31st anyways, as thatll be when Maryland's new gun law goes in to effect banning the sale of all assault style weapons.
http://www.oag.state.md.us/Opinions/2010/95oag101.pdf

Maryland Assault Weapon sale ban
http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2013RS/fnotes/bil_0003/sb0623.pdf
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Post by: Kafein on October 15, 2013, 06:07:16 pm
Welcome to my world, it includes ALOT of guns

just... why?

At some point I expected a brown and furry monster made of guns to show up somewhere
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Post by: AntiBlitz on October 15, 2013, 08:47:51 pm
At some point I expected a brown and furry monster made of guns to show up somewhere

idk how to make critters with guns, but we can give them guns

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Post by: CrazyCracka420 on October 15, 2013, 09:32:08 pm
That's a marketing vid for planet of the apes
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Post by: AntiBlitz on October 15, 2013, 09:58:21 pm
That's a marketing vid for planet of the apes

i know, but it fit the description and they are somewhat funny to watch

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Post by: Kafein on October 15, 2013, 11:14:30 pm
Severe lack of internet culture, not knowing what an alot is.

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Post by: AntiBlitz on October 16, 2013, 07:16:31 pm
this would be my first time hearing about the Alot monster, HOWEVER! he is not made of guns.
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Post by: Kafein on October 16, 2013, 08:11:35 pm
this would be my first time hearing about the Alot monster, HOWEVER! he is not made of guns.

He is made of anything

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Post by: Zomg on October 17, 2013, 02:32:40 pm
My state has no such restrictions on ammunition with the exception of soft tip rounds for hunting, however the state of New Jersey does, and actually i think its the only state that has such a restriction in the whole country.  The state of New Jersey bans possession of hollow point bullets by civilians except for ammunition possessed at one's dwelling, premises or other land owned or possessed. The law also requires all hollow point ammunition to be transported directly from the place of purchase to one's home, or by members of a rifle or pistol club directly to a place of target practice, or directly to an authorized target range from the place of purchase or one's home.

There isnt any sort of regulation on the the caliber of firearm as much as there is a regulation on the firearms themselves.  I think the only thing you cant own in Maryland are grenade launchers, bazookas, flamethrowers, lol essentially all the extreme things, and even those i think you can own as long as you get a license for them.

This link shows which weapons they have regulated, but none of them have restrictions on owning them, so to own one is as simple as filling out the paperwork and passing.  Well until October 31st anyways, as thatll be when Maryland's new gun law goes in to effect banning the sale of all assault style weapons.
http://www.oag.state.md.us/Opinions/2010/95oag101.pdf

Maryland Assault Weapon sale ban
http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2013RS/fnotes/bil_0003/sb0623.pdf

So - there is no regulations against FMJs?
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Post by: AntiBlitz on October 17, 2013, 07:32:17 pm
nope, i think the only regulation pertains to steel core, which is a military round meant to penetrate armor, though im not sure if that is a federal thing, or state law.  They just wont sell it, though you can find some people who have them and are selling them for thousands of dollars.

most notable case of this came under scrutiny from the FiveSeven, which when first released to the public was sold with the steel core, armor piercing rounds.  After it was named the cop killer(brutal shooting of a LEO by a Mexican Cartel member, if i remember correctly), Herstal pulled all sale of ammunition to the public, and revamped the ammunition to be sold to the public with a sport round.
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Post by: Zomg on October 18, 2013, 02:29:41 am
nope, i think the only regulation pertains to steel core, which is a military round meant to penetrate armor, though im not sure if that is a federal thing, or state law.  They just wont sell it, though you can find some people who have them and are selling them for thousands of dollars.

most notable case of this came under scrutiny from the FiveSeven, which when first released to the public was sold with the steel core, armor piercing rounds.  After it was named the cop killer(brutal shooting of a LEO by a Mexican Cartel member, if i remember correctly), Herstal pulled all sale of ammunition to the public, and revamped the ammunition to be sold to the public with a sport round.

FMJs can also penetrate vests, can't they? So they are uh, pretty much the same?
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Post by: AntiBlitz on October 18, 2013, 02:50:33 am
well yes to a degree, the problem is that the outer jacket can actually peel off, and then the only thing under the jacket is lead, which is soft and malleable.  The steel core are meant to shoot through things like armor plates. A lot of heavier vests have these, they are used by response teams and the military, since everyday wear is fatiguing since they weigh so much.  Even so, fmj rounds in most handguns are kind of a flip of a coin on whether or not they will penetrate the armor, since armor in itself is a gamble, they arent guaranteed to be 100%  bulletproof.  But anyways most vests rated to lvl II can stop up to a 44 magnum if im not mistaken, or a 12gauge slug, which is what most LEO wear.