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[Gnjus]

Indeed, my trenchant intelligence allows me to take part in many a conversation despite having little to no experience of the subject in practice.

Alas, seeing as I have more experience with firearms than most people in this thread, your stab in the dark makes you look all but perspicacious.

Looks to me that during your absence from this forum something big happened to you, maybe they "manned you up" in the army or something like that, so you've returned full of bitterness and more "intelligent" then ever, only to start splashing it randomly across the forum. No worries boy, the wounds will heal with time, at least the physical ones.

[Xant]

but the mental scarring never goes away

[Kafein]

Nice collection. Must have cost shitton of money too.

I have the two most important zombie apocalypse survival weapons (lol, really just best for my kind of hunting like foxes, wood grouse, willow grouse and other small game). A 22lr Sako rifle with silencer and a Lanber 12 gauge semi-auto. Might have gone with pump action on the shotgun, but I got that Lanber so cheap I couldn't really resist. I just restored and mildly modified the wooden stocks. Then cleaned the whole thing from bottom to top. Better than new. Makes really nice pattern with full choke.

Really should get another rifle next time since now I hunt moose too and have to borrow my father's gun for that. Thinking maybe .30-06 or .308win... Those are by far the most common ones here so the ammunition is cheaper to buy, especially with .308win. A .30-06 has more desirable trajectory and force to stop an animal as big as a moose. On the other hand with full metal jacket .308win you can still shoot a wood grouse without it exploding to thumb sized bits so it's not that easy to choose between these two.

inb4 "hunting is wrong", oh shut up you eat meat too.

Hunting is mostly fine. Sometimes it isn't. I'm not a very cowardly person in debates. Silencers are legal ?

[Son Of Odin]

Hunting is mostly fine. Sometimes it isn't. I'm not a very cowardly person in debates. Silencers are legal ?

Well, I agree that there is some ways of hunting that are not cool. Mostly they are the ones that put the animal through unnecessary pain like some old (fox) trapping techniques and such.

Yes silencers are legal in Finland. I mean why wouldn't they be? Of course it makes a 22lr completely silent, but with bigger rifles like .30-06 it's a must have imo. It doesn't make big rifles completely silent. In fact they are still pretty loud but it reduces the sound level enough so it doesn't damage your hearing even if you have to shoot without wearing ear protection (which is sometimes difficult while hunting because you have to be able to hear things before you actually see the target). Also it reduces recoil, which is good when using bigger firearms. Maybe it's better to use word "suppressor" instead of "silencer".

[Utrakil]

Well I'll be moving to England this March, so I'll be able to experience this magical land of cotton candy forests called Europe soon enough  . What are the gun laws like there?

Fun fact for you: in England even the bobbies (cops) have no firearms.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19641398

[AntiBlitz]

Hunting is mostly fine. Sometimes it isn't. I'm not a very cowardly person in debates. Silencers are legal ?

they go by "suppressor" as silencing isnt really possible, most states allow suppressors to be owned, In the state of Maryland, you must file for a suppressor stamp, which is like $100 bucks, in the paperwork you mst explain the reasoning behind why you need such a tool, and as long as you dont put something stupid on the paper, you normally will get the stamp, and they will record you owning one similar to a sidearm/assault rifle.  Once filed, you renew it like every 3 years or something like that for like $50 bucks, but its the price you pay to own a suppressor.

Nice collection. Must have cost shitton of money too.

I have the two most important zombie apocalypse survival weapons (lol, really just best for my kind of hunting like foxes, wood grouse, willow grouse and other small game). A 22lr Sako rifle with silencer and a Lanber 12 gauge semi-auto. Might have gone with pump action on the shotgun, but I got that Lanber so cheap I couldn't really resist. I just restored and mildly modified the wooden stocks. Then cleaned the whole thing from bottom to top. Better than new. Makes really nice pattern with full choke.

Really should get another rifle next time since now I hunt moose too and have to borrow my father's gun for that. Thinking maybe .30-06 or .308win... Those are by far the most common ones here so the ammunition is cheaper to buy, especially with .308win. A .30-06 has more desirable trajectory and force to stop an animal as big as a moose. On the other hand with full metal jacket .308win you can still shoot a wood grouse without it exploding to thumb sized bits so it's not that easy to choose between these two.

inb4 "hunting is wrong", oh shut up you eat meat too.

30-06 has a very flatline projectory, not good for heavy brush shooting, not to mention if using soft tipped ammo, you will blow a hole on the exit wound the size of a grapefruit.  Im not too familiar with the 308, though that is just as large a round, considering that does 308 come in anything but bolt action?  all of my 30-06 are either pump or semi auto, which let me tell you, my pops shot 3 deer last year with the 30-06 when they came out all at once, was a good shot, but the rifle was what really made the difference.

i think in the last few pages i tallied up the cost to just short of $17,000.  Some of the firearms i purchased for like $50 dollars cuz someone was getting rid of it, or they were going to throw it out lol.  Idk if thats legal or not to throw away a gun, but i bought it or had taken it for free and get a couple hundred dollar gun for next to nothing.

FN P90 and FN F2000 pure belgian craftmanship

i'd like the F2000 just for the bullpup design, im intrigued by bullpups, the design is soooo  exotic i guess, its not something u see in most firearms.  Only problem is, it cost around $2,000 to purchase.  Though the P90 would be cool the problem with it is most states require a barrel length of i believe 18 inches and no shorter, so you have this compact gun, but a long barrel sticking out the front of it that just doesnt make sense.  Cool fact on it though, when they first sold the P90 to civilians, they didnt have the long barrel, and a few people blew their fingers off by putting them over the barrel by accident.

As a dumb euroboy that I am, I will never understand how some people consider such a large arsenal on firearms a completely normal thing and a law that acctually allows such things totally legit. I mean can you really blame me?  A single random civilian owning such heat shocks us basically similar to if you gunnut americans found out that some country allowed every household to own mininukes.

blame England, they made us this way, you think you can tax our tea and get away with it!

Yes you can, just look at Xant.


Nice arsenal there but you should really change that avatar.

whats wrong with her?  do you not like Smash girl?(she isnt anime btw)

Fun fact for you: in England even the bobbies (cops) have no firearms.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19641398

unfortunately we supplied our police forces with sidearms and shotguns, then events like this happened spurring this need to essentially militarize our police force in a sense, because if civilians can get this, then the police need something to counter it.  Im not sure what happened to the policeman in england but that would be a sad day if he was unarmed and murdered by someone when responding to a call.

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[Draeth]

mosins are so fun to shoot, you should definitly look into getting one

[Teeth]

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This is your video to prove your point about unnecessary escalation? What the flying fuck, he just murdered a dude without any physical threat. I would put this murderous psycho behind bars for a long time. I don't give a fuck how much money someone is trying to steal from you, this is unnecessary escalation.

Glad I don't live in a country where people have such ideas about self defense, or property defense. God. Also, cops in my country will only open fire when a gun is aimed at or near them, whenever an officer shoots someone, a police investigation will investigate the entire shooting, including the conduct of the officer and if he did not act according to the guidelines punishment is severe. Also, someone running away here gets shot in the legs, and only after a warning shot has been fired. Keep telling yourself that American morals towards guns and killing people with guns are good, while I enjoy the low death by firearm rate in my country. Meritards.

[Tibe]

I always figured they gave everybody guns there to keep the king of England off their lawn, but were too scared to ask them back later. I always like how Xants main argument is "bad guys get guns anyway, no matter what law!" So the point of this whole argument is really that laws dont count for shit. If this is true, why do we even have laws? There is a fine line between a person who is acctually planning to kill you for reals and someone who is turning you into a unlucky innocent bystander.

[AntiBlitz]

mosins are so fun to shoot, you should definitly look into getting one

my friend owns one, it has a fold up bayonet on it lol, it is just obnoxiously loud in comparison to my mauser, the russians must have all been deaf after shooting them around one another.

This is your video to prove your point about unnecessary escalation? What the flying fuck, he just murdered a dude without any physical threat. I would put this murderous psycho behind bars for a long time. I don't give a fuck how much money someone is trying to steal from you, this is unnecessary escalation.

Glad I don't live in a country where people have such ideas about self defense, or property defense. God.

i did say i had no idea of the circumstances of the video, but he quite clearly knew he was about to be robbed, so he intended to stop the robber before he was going to be harmed, would it had changed ur views knowing the robber had a gun?  probably, what if he had a knife? probably, why let someone harm you before action must be taken, that view is the same reason that people think a person cant be shot in the back, "oh they were running away from you" yet they are holding a gun, the threat of violence is still there, does this change the circumstances? can one not shoot them now, because their back is turned?  Even i will admit, like i did earlier, i dont know the full story of the events, it looks honestly quite crude lol, he just looks like a maniac shooting at someone fleeing, but he probably would have looked the same way if it was reverse rolled.  Either way i cant please everyone, and people will have different opinions, and you are completely entitled to having that opinion, is it wrong? i dont think so, we have no idea what all occurred, but ill just say my opinion is ill be damned if im going to let someone rob me, and im not going to wait on the gentleman to waive a gun in my face before i decide that i should bring my gun to the fight.

Sorry Teeth i tried searching for the news release on this, but i didnt find anything, maybe im just a bad searcher lol, idk, but if you find it, then id gladly discuss this.

I always figured they gave everybody guns there to keep the king of England off their lawn, but were too scared to ask them back later. I always like how Xants main argument is "bad guys get guns anyway, no matter what law!" So the point of this whole argument is really that laws dont count for shit. If this is true, why do we even have laws? There is a fine line between a person who is acctually planning to kill you for reals and someone who is turning you into a unlucky innocent bystander.

we have laws to keep the peaceful people in check, because the bad people dont care.  Here is a little phrase i learned, it pretty much sums up this, "Locks are meant to keep an Honest man Honest", if the bad guy decides he wants in, he will get in.  But if the honest man wants in, he will just wait for the man with the key to open the door.


EDITED: just to put further concrete on my opinion, this is case law, you cant argue with it, this is just how it is.

 Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985)[1], was a case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that under the Fourth Amendment, when a law enforcement officer is pursuing a fleeing suspect, he or she may use deadly force only to prevent escape if the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others, oh and robbery isnt a misdemeanor lol.

[AntiBlitz]

Double posted again trying to modify, im a terrible person.

[Xant]

I always figured they gave everybody guns there to keep the king of England off their lawn, but were too scared to ask them back later. I always like how Xants main argument is "bad guys get guns anyway, no matter what law!" So the point of this whole argument is really that laws dont count for shit. If this is true, why do we even have laws? There is a fine line between a person who is acctually planning to kill you for reals and someone who is turning you into a unlucky innocent bystander.

My argument never was that laws do not count for anything.

[Son Of Odin]

I think the flat line trajectory is what I would really prefer from 30-06 over 308win. Soft tip rounds are the only ones that are legal to shoot a moose with. And for what I've seen a 30-06 doesn't always even come through (depending how close you were ofc). These motherfuckers are a bit bigger than deers .

I don't know much about 308win semi-auto or pump action rifles. Especially the pump action on rifles seem a bit silly to me. I guess that's just one of these Amurican things when it comes to firearms. Love the Winchester lever action rifles tho and like to shoot them but I swear by the bolt action ones for hunting, absolutely. The best rifles when it comes to accuracy and reliability = bolt action. There should be no debate about it

The other thing about lever action and pump action rifles is that they are really not good to shoot when you're laying down. You have to turn or lift the gun in order to reload and that costs you time in re-positioning.

[Lt_Anders]

my friend owns one, it has a fold up bayonet on it lol, it is just obnoxiously loud in comparison to my mauser, the russians must have all been deaf after shooting them around one another.

That's not a mosin. That's a Chinese SKS. Mosins have Socket Bayonets only. My friend owns both(and I own a Mosin) so I know.

Also, Mauser shoots a slightly bigger round that a Mosin. 7.56X54r compared to 7.92x57(8mm Mauser more common)

Speaking of Mosins:
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F3MOSIN9130&name=Russian+1891%2f30+7.62x54R+Mosin+Nagant+Rifle&groupid=730&fprdct=1

That's pretty cheap. About what I got mine for.(that website I used to buy ammo from)

[AntiBlitz]

That's not a mosin. That's a Chinese SKS. Mosins have Socket Bayonets only. My friend owns both(and I own a Mosin) so I know.

Also, Mauser shoots a slightly bigger round that a Mosin. 7.56X54r compared to 7.92x57(8mm Mauser more common)

well thanks, i didnt know, he just claimed it was a mosin, and he shoots 7.56x54r, so i just assumed without really looking at it.

Glad I don't live in a country where people have such ideas about self defense, or property defense. God. Also, cops in my country will only open fire when a gun is aimed at or near them, whenever an officer shoots someone, a police investigation will investigate the entire shooting, including the conduct of the officer and if he did not act according to the guidelines punishment is severe. Also, someone running away here gets shot in the legs, and only after a warning shot has been fired. Keep telling yourself that American morals towards guns and killing people with guns are good, while I enjoy the low death by firearm rate in my country. Meritards.

im sorry what? where did you get all this misinformation from?  i barely want to comment back, just because im overwhelmed by the shear stupidity in this post.  Nobody is trained to shoot someone in the legs, nobody is trained to fire warning shots(you are liable for every shot fired, firing into the air to tell someone not to shoot, or you are about to fire even sounds stupid as well), yes internal investigations are standard procedure for use of force policies, some agencies will even ask outside agencies to perform them, so that they cannot be held liable for people saying "it was swept under the rug".  This is exactly the type of constant misinformation that not only you, but every citizen has, you have not a clue, your full of movie drama, and misconceptions.  Congratulations on being completely wrong, please bring forward some sort of evidence stating they have been trained to shoot people in the legs, because as far as im trained, if im bringing out my sidearm, its for a reason, and im not going to shoot them in the legs, im shooting to neutralize a threat.

Bam case law: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_v._Connor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_v._Garner