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[Lt_Anders]

If we are talking about crappy gun desgins...UK's SA80.
Such a bad design, the clip would randomly fall out of the gun during firing. Was really really pathetic.

[Paul]

From an engineering point of view I'm kinda sceptical with bullpup because of the huge distance between trigger and chamber as well as the latter being behind the first. Needs a lot mechanical effort to bridge that gap and that opens up for failure. Also having a catastrophic failure happen in your face might be unpleasant.

[Xant]

I've heard Famas is really crap.

[Clockworkkiller]

I've heard Famas is really crap.

its from france, famous for the legendary chauchat
flinging actual crap would be more reliable

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chauchat

[Kafein]

Bullup designed weapons tend to be bullet hoses, because you want to use them from up close anyway.

[AntiBlitz]

From an engineering point of view I'm kinda sceptical with bullpup because of the huge distance between trigger and chamber as well as the latter being behind the first. Needs a lot mechanical effort to bridge that gap and that opens up for failure. Also having a catastrophic failure happen in your face might be unpleasant.

ya whenever you have to make things more complicated to work the room for error increases, but alot of countries are converting to these style of weapons for some reason, must be good or else they wouldn't have done it.  Surprised we as a nation(U.S) havent decided its time to upgrade, idk maybe they dont see anything wrong with the current, M4 that would need upgraded.

Bullup designed weapons tend to be bullet hoses, because you want to use them from up close anyway.

ya these are built with the intention of leaving a 16-18inch barrel though, while giving the person the length of a weapon imitating a 12-14 inch barrel, so its dramatically smaller, which allows for better handling in room clearing and close quarters stuff, while not sacrificing the ability to fight from afar if need be. 


Iran's new Battle Rifle, the Kh-2002

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China's Battle Rifle, the QBZ-95

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South Africa's Battle Rifle, the Vektor CR-21

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Singapore's Battle Rifle, the SAR 21

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[no_rules_just_play]

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lol

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKQdkS0qG3g&feature=youtube_gdata_player

On my phone so i hope it works

[Xant]

alot of countries are converting to these style of weapons for some reason, must be good or else they wouldn't have done it.

It's rare for bureaucracy to actually find a solution that is optimal. Just as likely, if not more so, is that the weapon company making these bullpup rifles got the government contracts for some other, less noble reasons.

[Clockworkkiller]

if i can atleast hold one of these before i die, ill die a happy loser
kickin it oldschool, WW2 style


German FG-42

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A gun I'd love to have

[Kalam]

Well, those M16s must be magical, then, because I can tell you it's practically impossible to hit a moving target at 200m with the SIG 550, even if your lying on the ground in the perfect sniping position. And I doubt you can do it with a cheaper rifle that has a shorter barrel.

People do it with pop up targets regularly. Not everyone, mind you. Like one soldier in one hundred.

[zagibu]

Surprised we as a nation(U.S) havent decided its time to upgrade, idk maybe they dont see anything wrong with the current, M4 that would need upgraded.

Well, yes, they do. It's a long overdue task, actually:
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Combat_Rifle
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objective_Individual_Combat_Weapon
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_SCAR#Evolution

I think the main problem is logistics. A new rifle would have to provide significantly better performance than what they have at the moment, and i think it's just not possible with dumb ammunition to reach that. The approach that combines a grenade launcher with programmable grenades and a conventional AR for self-defense in close engagements sounds very effective. It's just damn heavy. And expensive. But firing a grenade so that it explodes in the air, exactly after it has passed the cover of the target is the way to go, IMO.

[AntiBlitz]

Well, yes, they do. It's a long overdue task, actually:
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Combat_Rifle
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objective_Individual_Combat_Weapon
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_SCAR#Evolution

I think the main problem is logistics. A new rifle would have to provide significantly better performance than what they have at the moment, and i think it's just not possible with dumb ammunition to reach that. The approach that combines a grenade launcher with programmable grenades and a conventional AR for self-defense in close engagements sounds very effective. It's just damn heavy. And expensive. But firing a grenade so that it explodes in the air, exactly after it has passed the cover of the target is the way to go, IMO.

kind of funny that you linked that, as i actually have not only been on but live just 30minutes away from Aberdeen Proving Ground, where they test all those guns.

if i can atleast hold one of these before i die, ill die a happy loser
kickin it oldschool, WW2 style


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Where do you live? you could probably find a gun show near you, at these gun shows you will find things that you cant even own, and more.  They will surely have one of these there if you go to a large one.

It's rare for bureaucracy to actually find a solution that is optimal. Just as likely, if not more so, is that the weapon company making these bullpup rifles got the government contracts for some other, less noble reasons.

The U.S government a few years back tried to replace the M9 pistol and opened the doors to several of the big name companies asking them to create a replacement pistol.  The requirements werent very high, they asked for it to be built in conjunction with some sort of personal defense weapon, like a sub machine gun for pilots, asked for it to have increased stats over the 9mm, and said that it had to pierce certain types of body armor as well as a helmet at close range.  Two companies came to the call, FN Herstal, and H&K.  FNH created the FiveSeven, and the P90 with a 5.7x28mm.  H&K created the HK UCP and MP7 firing a 4.6x30mm.  This new firearm would become the NATO new standard for PDW's and pistols, once the testing was done, the news was presented to them and they chose FN Herstal.  Needless to say, Germany was quite upset over the testing and denounced it lol, in turn there is now no set standard for this because Germany presumably feels as though H&K is better. 

[Kafein]

The U.S government a few years back tried to replace the M9 pistol and opened the doors to several of the big name companies asking them to create a replacement pistol.  The requirements werent very high, they asked for it to be built in conjunction with some sort of personal defense weapon, like a sub machine gun for pilots, asked for it to have increased stats over the 9mm, and said that it had to pierce certain types of body armor as well as a helmet at close range.  Two companies came to the call, FN Herstal, and H&K.  FNH created the FiveSeven, and the P90 with a 5.7x28mm.  H&K created the HK UCP and MP7 firing a 4.6x30mm.  This new firearm would become the NATO new standard for PDW's and pistols, once the testing was done, the news was presented to them and they chose FN Herstal.  Needless to say, Germany was quite upset over the testing and denounced it lol, in turn there is now no set standard for this because Germany presumably feels as though H&K is better.

Silly Germans defying the might of Herstal.

[Xant]

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I can only imagine the joy of carrying this thing around.