I suggest you to have a look at the number of players using this tool compared to the amount players the different factions have.You can put it as you want, but account sharing is as big of an abuse as multiaccounting, since one persone can control a complete faction with it. this gives you a huge advantage since you are not dependent on players activity at all.
The only factions which rly use this tool (according to numbers) would be wolves or soa.
I cant speak for the other people, but i myself turned it off after 2 days. It was interesting to see how this tool works and what you can do with it, I think its a very good idea to add this to strategus as a regular function. From what i know developers were informed about this programm and also appreciate the idea of adding it to strategus.
Some basic info about it:
You roughly see what your faction members see, you can see an enemy armies, but you cant see number count, crates or status (heavy, shiny, etc...)
The idea is of implementing this into strat, so different factions can make agreements, so its basicly like a diplomacy menu as many of us know it from total war (declaring war, trade agreements, sharing vision, etc) but this is not working yet afaik, since that programm is in a very early stage.
You also can give them commands, which basicly means you send them a PM with orders which they see when they log in next time.
As you see its not nearly as good as the method the people that got banned used - sharing account info so one person can control traders, armies or even a whole, even if we would use this tool we would be depending on the members activity since they need to log into strat to actually move around. An alternative would be sending them pms on the crpg page, which actually has the same effect.
Pe Nis
Overall it's actually not that useful. You don't get 24/7 surveillance from all the connected players they need to be online and active on Strat, clicking things. You could get the same and more information talking to the people who are currently online and active anyway.
There's a huge difference in actual people sharing screenshots a few times a week and having an large parts automated tool do it for you in a fashionable manner.
I've also heard that this tool allows people to track enemy movement. Lol.
IMHO the worst kinds of cheating in Strategus is DUPING of any kind, which plenty have not been banned for. It offsets the whole balance of the round.
1 person having multiple accounts and using them in Strategus is also the worst kind of cheating, please DIAF :wink:
Sharing your account login is against the rules, which means you get banned obviously, fair and square, but it certainly isn't as serious a cheat as duping or the other type of multi-accounting, not even close, it completely depends on the use. This is also what many have been banned for, people who've never done anything wrong in the mod, who played 24/7 on the normal servers but unfortunately shared their login to their clan leader or who ever so that he could move them around a couple of evenings they weren't home. It is still a DUH! thing to be banned for though. (I don't support sharing of course nor have Nords ever done it).
The real problem is that loads of people are smart enough to hide their cheating well and it is essentially quite an effort to stop the various forms of cheating going on -- in almost all games I'd presume.
However, this tool, is clearly in the cheating category, it gives an enormous edge over those factions which do not use it. In terms of usability (how much of a 'help' it would be) I would rank it together with multi accounting = worst kind of cheating.
FOG OF WAR gentlemen.
You mentioned AFKer on a mountain, hey look I see DaveUKR over on that mountain, didn't he quit?!
Oh right!
I kinda wrote the same things DaveUKR did, but with other words... he just sent it faster. :D
If you still want to read it:(click to show/hide)
Well Dave, Harald's opinion is wrong. It's a lot more than "The same as if someone took a screenshot and sent it to you", because that bit requires a tiny bit of communication. The whole point of strategus is that multiple people do things combined to create something for the larger good (of the faction, bandit force, or two buddies, etc).
If one person was able to gather that much information without ever speaking to anyone, it would be a huge advantage.
You would then effectively only need 1 person active in strategus at any given time (like overnight) if an enemy starts marching you can just give your faction member a call and tell them to "move their guy" or attack, or whatever.
I think this is a pretty large issue (not as bad as multi-accounting) and would be awesome if people stopped using to gain an unfair advantage.
This third party program might be a good idea who knows (i personally think not) but the way to go about it is to ask chadz to allow beta testing not share it with your alliance and no one else.
You either didn't read or didn't get what 2 people wrote above your post. You can't get real-time info and once you close your Strategus tab in the browser - your info stops being uploaded to the server so others see only what you could see by the moment when you closed your Strategus page. So when your faction sleeps - their eyes are closed for everyone even with this tool.
they need to be online and active on Strat, clicking things
they need to be online and active on Strat, clicking things
So basically this system does require both people to be online at the same time [For real-time updates], just removes the need for a clunk "Take a screenshot and upload it to a image share and then paste me the link and I'll see it whenever" and instead requires "Click this button and I'll see it whenever."
Oh... So... Gamebreaking... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Where are my torches and pitchforks, this is practically multi-accounting! How could an Overlord possibly okay this terrible cheater mechanism!?(click to show/hide)
You would then effectively only need 1 person active in strategus at any given time (like overnight) if an enemy starts marching you can just give your faction member a call and tell them to "move their guy" or attack, or whatever.
chadz listens to this person about Strategus.
Makes you think~
Watch out Thomas, you just had your character being questioned by someone who has been repeatedly permabanned and has sold looms for RL cash, created the Hellowrold database incident and many other wonderful things.
Shit just got real.
Watch out Thomas, you just had your character being questioned by someone who has been repeatedly permabanned and has sold looms for RL cash, created the Hellowrold database incident and many other wonderful things.
Shit just got real.
If I tried ringing Fallens in the middle of the night to react to Strat I would soon have no Fallens left. On the other hand if i knew of a clan that was that sad I would constantly march naked armies up to their lands to piss them off :D
And now I wish to tell my side of this since Thovex has brought my involvement to light
I was sent the program and asked to look at it before anybody except Kinngrimm and its creator had it. Kinngrimm wanted me to show chadz, check if it was allowed and also check if chadz would want to incorporate something like it into strat. I passed it to Harald and chadz, who had a look and whilst chadz is still undecided on whether he likes the principle behind it, he did not disallow its use. I believe Harald likes it and so at the time and until chadz makes a decision, use of this tool was allowed. I showed it to Rogue, forgot about it for a while and then a week or 2 later we gave it a proper test before discarding it for the time being due to its limited usefulness. Less than 3 weeks later Nords were given access to it.
I am extremely sorry that for nearly 3 weeks I was able to see a few extra blobs on the map from the line of sight of between 1 and 7 other people. Not only was I able to see how many troops these blobs had, but i was also able to randomly guess at their equipment level and number of crates. I wish my level of debauchery had stopped there though. Perhaps if I had my soul might have been saved, but instead I gleefully chose to stare and plan my actions based on the 4 hour old images of enemy armies on my map. Using this info I happily celebrated the absence of the player who had spotted them, indulging my love of incomplete information and glorying in my ability to plan the downfall of each blob once my clan member showed up again at some unknown point in the next 1 to 48 hours. My enemies never knew what hit them and to my eternal shame I was unstoppable.
My biggest regret is that my crimes went so far beyond those of simple multi-accounting. You are wrong when you say that the use of this tool is just as bad. It is in fact much worse. Had I just been a naive multi-accounter then I would have checked my 10 or so accounts, spotted that one enemy was unarmed whilst another was a full army with 1000 crates. There would have been no joy as I selected my closest account and moved in to lock my enemy straight away and no build up of anticipation as i selected a bigger army to go and reinforce. Instead of hours of edge of the seat, thrill seeking pleasure and delightful anxiety it would have all been over in mere minutes, robbing me of hours of entertainment. Oh how I wish now that I had resisted temptation and stayed on the righteous path shown to us by the now martyred Union (may they achieve the saint-hood they so clearly deserve).
But now thanks to the wondrous intervention of my new saviour I am saved. The all-wise and benevolent Thovex has shown me the light and never again shall I sit waiting for 5 hours for the right clan member to show up, certain in my unfounded belief that my enemy has at least 100000000000 crates to steal. I know that all joy from such acts is only fleeting and that the only true path is that of cold, ruthless, multi-accounting efficiency.
Thank you Thovex for showing me the error of my ways.
If I tried ringing Fallens in the middle of the night to react to Strat I would soon have no Fallens left. On the other hand if i knew of a clan that was that sad I would constantly march naked armies up to their lands to piss them off :D
SO....just leave it open? It's not that hard.
As it was stated several times before: You have to be active in strat to submit this stuff... leaving the tab open won´t help in any way :P
You have to be active in strat for it to work? You mean active in strat or cRPG? cause being active in strat means that you have to be moving at all times, which is not something that people who are active in a clan or TS are doing at all times. Basically, whoever actually has knowledge of the program needs to explain what constitutes being "Active In Strat" according the the program and the automatic transmission of info.
well that seems tedious. Much simpler method would be to have a "Report Info" button within the program. Maybe even a time-delay for the information to get to clan leaders depending on the player's distance from those leaders.
So now you are complaining that this program is not actually cheating and is too tedious?! Also, a time delay would be utterly pointless as this is not real time anyways as it only updates when the player is updating.
This is a legitimate concern about the program. Easy solution though: Instead of the program automatically forwarding the information from an open browser to the leaders every ten minutes, require that the player must press a button within the program to transmit the information. Doing things automatically starts becoming questionable.
well that seems tedious. Much simpler method would be to have a "Report Info" button within the program. Maybe even a time-delay for the information to get to clan leaders depending on the player's distance from those leaders.The 10 min timespan was in the beginnig done as i was told it would prevent DDoS attacks. It has been reduced recently to 3min transfer lately, after the database libaries had been changed as we experienced a lot of lags.
Now that doesn't mean cheating is ok, it means that no smart clan leader should fight a fair fight in strategus within the confines of the game mechanics. Thats the real question: is this acceptable within the provided mechanics of the game?
So what you're saying is, you dirty penis licker, is that you knew it was a third party software that gives you advantage, but you kept it to yourself and to your allies? And you're making it public now, because Thovex exposed it anyway?you ahve always been one of my favourits Vibe, structuring the truth or what you think of it to your liking.
But you don't care because ohhh noooo strat is fuckloads of micromanagement and then it's ok for you to use this.
How can one NOT view this as cheating?
All people included were informed that it should made public in the end
lmao, so win strat first then share, yep not cheating, I am sorry I was wrong*sigh* how long is strategus now here with us? 2+ years. How long do you think strat 2.0 is already ready to go (more or less)? How long do you think others have already done similar things which they didn't share? How many changes had been done and changed again in all that time? Why are you so mad about something where the sources are open, the devs and admins knew about, only you weren't able to test it for a while?
*sigh* how long is strategus now here with us? 2+ years. How long do you think strat 2.0 is already ready to go (more or less)? How long do you think others have already done similar things which they didn't share? How many changes had been done and changed again in all that time? Why are you so mad about something where the sources are open, the devs and admins knew about, only you weren't able to test it for a while?
Within the first 1 to 1 1/2 months of the development you couldn't see jack shit with the addon. Still the automatic updates for firefox doesn't work, so most people have outdated versions which are not compatible with the current database. If you would care to test this first before you just give us your ramdom thoughts i could concider taking you serrious, but you aren't even in the system yet so get a key from your faction leader and test it.
First of, if you always compare apples with oranges then your math is off.
Secondly i offered that tool to Nords, like 2 weeks ago and also stated then to them that i was including more and more factions into it, also enemies. Did i loose track of that, sure. Evil intent no.
Thirdly accuse me of whatever you want and believe whatever you want with your supperior morality, i was open about this tool and i am offering a service and i have taken in two more factions and i expect more over the next days and weeks. Did you use eyecandy script? How many of the palyers don't regularly use this forum and mist out on the eyecandy script? Wouldn't that make it a cheat too according to your logic? Now it is part of strategus.
Conveniently it is not, as i would have preferred if i would have had more time to provide a better product, but what do you think i should have done instead after Thovex starting to whine? Just keep silent about it and get even more shit postings, no i choose to clarify and inform and get into discussions like this here, nothing i really enjoy too much, i have better things to do.
...chadz, Meow, Thomas & Harald were informed.
Yes, you were very open.
Third party software is not mechanics provided by the game itself, thus cheating.
Get out of TeamSpeak then, it is third party and probably the most advantageous piece of third-party software you could ever use for this game. :wink:
And everyone knows about it and is free to use it. This thing was kept private. Dumb logic right here, either way.
Cheating or No?
until chadz makes a decision, use of this tool was allowed.
Here summary of Thovex :
Cries about prime times, but when other clans were getting gangbanged at xmas he cheers for UIF
Benefits from cheaters in two rounds, then accuses others by cheating for beta testing with the approval of admins
Calls people pricks for not giving peace time, act like a prick when he was offered peace at very start
Tells people to suck leaders dick, while he couldn't run three fiefs and joined another clan under someone else's leadership
And everyone knows about it and is free to use it. This thing was kept private. Dumb logic right here, either way.
Eyecandy script was made public to everyone. I didn't see a single announcement for your shit on the cRPG forums. Not a word said. Only a select few knew about it. You were open about this tool? Good excuse. Offering it to one enemy clan and to a shitload of your allies.
I made my script public after using (and improving) it several times. So I used it before anyone else was using it. I admit as a cheater now too :rolleyes:
Then again there was no reason to not mention it to the public and make this whole matter a bit less suspicious. Even if approved by devs, I use my own eyes to look on things. This thing gives you an advantage. Doesn't matter small or great advantage, it's still an advantage. Doesn't matter how long it has been in use, every day or week counts in Strategus. Fact is you (or rather, the Wolves) kept it silent to others.
Also if it was only intended for the devs as of now, why is it shared almost exclusively amongst eastern UIF ?
When you start a script you don't share it with everyone if its not even near working yet.. I haven't seen the thing myself yet, but it seems completely useless for the moment because it doesn't work yet. Nords also have acces to this i think, and devs gave it a go to continue developing it... If you remove the "i want drama part" for a moment, is there a problem here?
None of the factions has had an advantage of this tool before, no one has advantage of it right now (since it doesn't work yet), and its not limited to 1 alliance...
Then again there was no reason to not mention it to the public and make this whole matter a bit less suspicious. Even if approved by devs, I use my own eyes to look on things. This thing gives you an advantage. Doesn't matter small or great advantage, it's still an advantage. Doesn't matter how long it has been in use, every day or week counts in Strategus. Fact is you (or rather, the Wolves) kept it silent to others.
Also if it was only intended for the devs as of now, why is it shared almost exclusively amongst eastern UIF ?
Perhaps Kinngrimm shared it with the clans he came across most often since he was after feedback? If the aim was truly to gain an advantage then it wouldn't be "almost" exclusive to Eastern Bloc factions, it would be 100% exclusive to them. We would also all be in the same faction with as many people as possible registered.
I'm not saying that Kinngrimm was right not to share it publicly, although I can understand his reluctance to share a program that even his own allies barely use. But this witch hunt for him not publicly sharing it is in my opinion ridiculous.
See you all next round.
PS amazed by the bias here, feels like the time I actually bothered arguing with UIF, except it's the other side this time, talking to walls here anyway
You don't need to share it, you can however announce it on forums that you're working and experimenting with such a thing. All this not done makes it look like you wanted to abuse it. Not to mention that apart from Nords (who were offered after they said they quit, read Andswaru's post up), it was 100% exclusive to eastern bloc.
Eyecandy script was made public to everyone. I didn't see a single announcement for your shit on the cRPG forums. Not a word said. Only a select few knew about it. You were open about this tool? Good excuse. Offering it to one enemy clan and to a shitload of your allies.
Was it shared to all your allies before everyone else though? Of course the developer is going to see it before everyone else. Let's not be dumb here. Not to mention the eye candy thing is mostly visuals and not a direct advantage to your entire faction.Shut it. Shure I trust my allies more then all the other jealous whiners out there.
Except I don't even play strat and am merely expressing my own opinion on this cheat thingy, so good point there on me "raging/whining" for not being invited to a third party for strat, lmfao :lol:Niemand is known for having issues with people having their own opinion... :mrgreen:
Then again there was no reason to not mention it to the public and make this whole matter a bit less suspicious.yes there was, i wanted to give a nearly completted and usable tool out and not a half finished something
Also if it was only intended for the devs as of now, why is it shared almost exclusively amongst eastern UIF ?when you are trying to accomplish something in work or in private life, you normaly have a group which supports you in one way or the other, people who help you accomplishing your idears if you can't do it all alone. This is here the case too. In the first month it was only Guika and me as tester. Then taking in more Wolves to see if it works with more people, then yes those i know closely from my alliance, but less for politcal reasons within strat, but i just knew those lads and we needed to see if different factions "as an option within the websites" works. Then admins and devs have been informed after being able to show a first alpha, then gradually other factions were included, again those i were closer to, due to different factors, it is just human nature as it works out everywhere.
Sure, i was only offered access to the "beta" after i informed kinngrim that uif were considering quitting, and since he's scared of his neighbours so much he started looking for new allies.wow, and i really thought we got along while we chatted for like 2 hours in steam, didn't know you are that paranoid.
...All this not done makes it look like you wanted to abuse it.exactly, thats why devs and admins had been informed about it and that is why there is a posssibility to create your own faction instead of jsut taking everyone into one faction :rolleyes:
Not to mention that apart from Nords (who were offered after they said they quit, read Andswaru's post up), it was 100% exclusive to eastern bloc.seeing connections where there aren't any are we again? conspiracy nuts with tin foil hats are surrounding us in the internetz that is my resume. Nords were offered this while they haven't yet decided onto leaving. This was given freely without them agreeing onto going into alliance with Wolves or wanting anything in return ...
Except I don't even play strat and am merely expressing my own opinion ...:idea:
First of all, I have not officially commented on this yet - on purpose. I wanted to keep it in a grey areay (no pun intended). Which means using it is not forbidden and will not be punished, but it could be "outlawed" eventually. The clear difference to multiaccounting here is that it has been stated multiple times that multiaccing/acc sharing is against the rules, and if you do it, you're fucked.I find it hard to see how a program giving you an advantage should be allowed without it being publicized and freely allowed to anyone.
In general, I am usually open to client side customisations. Strategus (at least the map part) was created so it's very easy to read the data automatically. I could have encrypted or obfuscated it to make it really hard to decypher stuff, but decided against it because I actually like people modifying it - like Chort did, for example.
Is this thing an advantage? Hell yes it is. But having active players is also an advantage, that doesn't mean you have to give active players to the enemy. That's why I also see no real issue with not giving that program out. For me, a line would be crossed when it would automatically log into accounts, or do automated actions without actually having to be online (=botting).
My gut feeling is that this is very advanced, but at this point, is not against the rules, and I like it that people actually put so much effort into client side customisations. So in my opinion, it's ok (although I WILL nerf the view range on mountains)
However, if the community as a whole decides that they don't want this to be allowed, I will accept this and outlaw usage of the data like this.
PS: this is no final decision yet, either way
BTW: Gingerpussy, everyone fucking knows you control your wife's account in strategus, you're a joke.(click to show/hide)
To Andswaru and Thovex.
U guys are incredible. Im out of words. pathetic mogoloids
I have proof you guys used BUY SCRIPT in strat 2 and more (made by a russian clan we all know)
How is this a diffrence, ur arguing that all third party programs are cheats.
PS! i never trusted the buy script so i never used it. Or that other script for forming armys with excat nr of equip.
The truth is that third party programs have been here from the start of strategus, And u NORD complaing that this was private HAHAHA
u never told anyone about those scripts. Hypocrits and morons the lot of u
I find it hard to see how a program giving you an advantage should be allowed without it being publicized and freely allowed to anyone.
It's just the way I see it. We all know the strategus website lacks many features, UI-wise. As far as I'm concerned you can write your own client for strategus, as long as it obeys certain rules (no automation of actions). I'm always thrilled to see what people come up with. For me, client side modding is perfectly fine.I agree that strategus mods to certain extents could be acceptable, but still, it'd only be acceptable if everyone were given an equal chance to use it, not just you and your allies.
However, if the community as a whole decides that they don't want this to be allowed, I will accept this and outlaw usage of the data like this.
Adding Poll!
Tried to keep it unbiased! If you think it's to biased go ahead and say so and I'll try and word it properly.
(the options are based on what I've read people wish to have had done with software)
I believe the main problem wasn't what the program did, in so much as to who had access.
Well basically after reading all this mess, if I would make any script or improvement on strategus I would not share it anymore. Congratulations on that :mad:
Dodnet: You have put your add-ons out there for anyone to use, not use some approval process like this "beta".
Yeah, but I published it, when it was finished not a half ready version of it. Making something like kinngrimm did with a database and stuff behind and having x ppl play around on it while its still in development is plainly useless.
And thats the difference which some of you might not understand.
However, if the community as a whole decides that they don't want this to be allowed, I will accept this and outlaw usage of the data like this.
PS: this is no final decision yet, either way
I have proof you guys used BUY SCRIPT in strat 2 and more (made by a russian clan we all know)Oh man, we had BUY SCRPITS! Fuck me, why didn't anyone give me that? Because being able to buy stuff is, like, completely broken and OP, right? Right? Guys? Why are you all staring at me like that?
Oh man, we had BUY SCRPITS! Fuck me, why didn't anyone give me that? Because being able to buy stuff is, like, completely broken and OP, right? Right? Guys? Why are you all staring at me like that?
To be honest, I think the entire thread is biased already. Make a new thread imo.It'll still be biased considering the majority of the people who use it are the only ones left on the EU strat map. :/
Then again there was no reason to not mention it to the public and make this whole matter a bit less suspicious. Even if approved by devs, I use my own eyes to look on things. This thing gives you an advantage. Doesn't matter small or great advantage, it's still an advantage. Doesn't matter how long it has been in use, every day or week counts in Strategus. Fact is you (or rather, the Wolves) kept it silent to others.Since i was one of the first to get in this tools i may give you some accurate information guys :
Also if it was only intended for the devs as of now, why is it shared almost exclusively amongst eastern UIF ?
User name kinngrimm
Player name Wolves_kinngrimm
Faction Wolf Pack Mercenaries
Creation date 30/10/12
Name Les Trois Lys
Description Les Trois Lys
Leader airstrike
Members 2
Statistics for Les Trois Lys
Creation date 30/10/12
If we were in this tool to get advantage why didn't i invite more Pecores And trois Lys guys? Why didn't I use it to get what you call an unfair advantage? Well fuck off because none of us did want to get any advantage. This tool is what a good strategus v2 should have. And only thing we did want is to debug it cause it had a lot of bug , of blank pages , of login problem and we didn't people we can trust to do that. Anyway the Crpg Community is just shit and don't deserve this tool.So what you're saying is, you dirty penis licker, is that you knew it was a third party software that gives you advantage, but you kept it to yourself and to your allies? And you're making it public now, because Thovex exposed it anyway?Here are other information you
But you don't care because ohhh noooo strat is fuckloads of micromanagement and then it's ok for you to use this.
How can one NOT view this as cheating?
dirty penis licker
User name harald
Player name Mace
Faction Test
Creation date 03/11/12
User name Fallen_Tomas
Player name Fallen_Tomas
Faction The Coalition
Creation date 03/11/12
User name Shik
Player name Shik
Faction hero_party
Creation date 05/12/12
Well if you don't know this guys , they are member of Crpg Development staff crew. Or maybe you shut put off the shit blinding your eyes?
First off, because others supposedly did it, it makes it ok for you to do it as well? As far as I know, revenge TK is bannable as well.Well Guika should be proud of having you call it a Software whereas when i begun testing it it was merely a pre pre pre alpha.
I'm not mad, I'm just accusing you of cheating, because you used a third party software that provided you with an advantage over your enemies, while you didn't provide this to everyone else as well. So you did have an advantage (even if a slight one) over those who didn't (supposedly) have such software, by using third party shit. Even if by some fucking weird miracle not condemned by the devs.
But you so conveniently made it public now that it was exposed anyway and 3/4 of the UIF quit strat.
I made my script public after using (and improving) it several times. So I used it before anyone else was using it. I admit as a cheater now too :rolleyes:nothing to add :D
I trust software made by kinngrim as much as I trust kinngrim. Smells like an unfair advantage. Looks like cheating.Looks like you took only 5 sec to think about it.
Yeah, but I published it, when it was finished not a half ready version of it. Making something like kinngrimm did with a database and stuff behind and having x ppl play around on it while its still in development is plainly useless.Well it seems that dodnet didn't want to release his tool during beta so he could use it and get an unfair advantage unitl it get to final version. Ban Him (Irony Inside)
And thats the difference which some of you might not understand.
Open Source (http://forum.meleegaming.com/strategus-general-discussion/strategus-enhancment-project/msg670124/#msg670124)No one will bother reading the source and they will just keep saying you are a cheater using a non open source tool. Anyway , you should leave Crpg it will be better for you
so feel free to browse the source code, client and server side code included. A Layout of the database will be included in a few minutes.
Can we remove Niemand from this community already?You'd love to, huh? ;)
the Nords using this as a exit as well.
When we all know this is due to there trade is STOPED in strat with our (Hre Peace Mercs Deserters) 17000 men troops walking into occiatan and bashi territory's.
My gut feeling is that this is very advanced, but at this point, is not against the rules, and I like it that people actually put so much effort into client side customisations. So in my opinion, it's ok (although I WILL nerf the view range on mountains)
However, if the community as a whole decides that they don't want this to be allowed, I will accept this and outlaw usage of the data like this.
PS: this is no final decision yet, either way
cheating -- present participle of cheat (Verb)
Act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, esp. in a game or examination: "she cheats at cards".
Maybe you shouldn't join the ganking train at the first place. you are talking about "tools" you knew about account sharing complaints, you knew about duped gold complaints and its right there I'm not making these things out of my ass, its not my imagination. You still chose to join them, so spare me from your self righteous -Oh we've been fair, its all propaganda! you chose to join the gangbang train when there were no game breaking alliances or any sort of bugs on our side.(click to show/hide)
Nothing else can end this conflict.
true so true(click to show/hide)
I agree with chadz, this discussion is clan related, not on the actual facts or the program itself.
But people seem to forget 1 thing, especial the Nords have come with a lot of accusations and made this tool a problem when its really not.
but have you thought about what it means for a clan to have Devs inside your clan ? I remember what we got to know when cmpx was a merc.
This is more a problem then this tool. Why ?
because just now the Devs are making new stuff for Strat, i hear talk about balista and some other things that i dont know what are.
This situation might benefit a clan likeNords who got many contacts and members inside Devs admins and the followers of chadz himself.
the info they get in a early stage can be use for example to save up points so they get the new stuff +3 before anybody else. or taking decisions inside strat because of the info they got.
I think this is more of a advantage then seeing a screen every 10 min from a online clan member.
On the other side this is a necessity evil to have this game move forward.
but have you thought about what it means for a clan to have Devs inside your clan ? I remember what we got to know when cmpx was a merc.
....Devs and admins informed: check
At the very least if someone wants to make something, post about the idea so all would know and be able to read about it, tell chadz of course, and then we would have no issues at all; BUT if people don't know, and there's no informal post on the forum and a add-on/tool is discovered to be providing unfair advantages to select players, those involve should definitely be permanently banned, no exceptions. Anything else makes it a shady untrustworthy operation.
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8. claiming to have a son, daughter, wife or whatever and don't have it, perma ban.8.a) claiming to have a son, daughter, wife or whatever and
... Either you should have informed ...i did inform those who needed to know as stated and also confirmed
... It does not surprise me that you see it that way given you are a previous cheateram i now? Stop the slander or can't you engage on a civil level?
...well seems not so, but at least you have it all figured out now haven't you ^^. You have one of these alien mindreading thingies don't you
... it seems that clan relationships are deciding stances in this discussion. This is really not helpful at all. I know it's hard to do, but try to judge it from an objective point of view.this
No one would care if you had posted and then later failed to create it, plenty of others have done so with numerous projects.i would have cared and as always aren't we all closest to our self first and overall.
8. claiming to have a son, daughter, wife or whatever and don't have it, perma ban.
i did inform those who needed to know as stated and also confirmed
That I call you a cheater is because you did cheat, you lied to multiple clans for hours, days, via voice communication, which nullified a legit and completely fair war which everyone was having fun with, and replaced it with multiple clan quitting due to your acts, made the map and round stagnate for ages, killed the third alliance on the map which ever since have only seen the two UIF + Anti-UIF alliances, so great job on that too. Finishing off by wiping the last few clans off the map in Strategus with 10000x1 numbers making the attacks nothing more than a quick formality (and still with morning attacks of course). That IMO make's you a cheater.
No matter how long a post is, a GTX is still a GTX.
First of all - as a guy who did some programming himself, kinda professionally even, I can fully understand to NOT release anything until its not working in a at least acceptable way, I can fully understand to invite just a few people to an Alpha or even earlier release to avoid the full shit-posting this community is - like displayed in this thread - capable of (includes Vibe and unfortunately Cooties too).
You did not inform anyone except devs and those receiving the betas = secrecy. You cannot change this definition. There isn't two sides to fact.i am changing nothing, but there isn't only one point of view or only your truth, which you believe to have found and stated as facts. AS there is not only black and white, in these terms i am even very shady as i never claimed to be in the possession of the one and only truth or that questions of morality are only need to be painted in black and white, but that circumstances and point of views make all the differences, IT ALWAYS DEPENDS is one of my favourite phrases.
That clans dictate the discussion in this is complete bull too, at least in reference to my writings (why else mention it in your post?):objectivity is an ideal to strive for, subjectivity the default.
I have zero stake in Strategus, zero stake in the UIF. Nothing what so ever here to gain or win. I don't play and I don't intent on playing again due to actions such as those you have taken throughout your C-RPG career.
All of my writings are completely from the side line as a veteran observer in the community.
That I call you a cheater is because you did cheat, you lied to multiple clans for hours, days, via voice communication, which nullified a legit and completely fair war which everyone was having fun with, and replaced it with multiple clan quitting due to your acts, made the map and round stagnate for ages, killed the third alliance on the map which ever since have only seen the two UIF + Anti-UIF alliances, so great job on that too. Finishing off by wiping the last few clans off the map in Strategus with 10000x1 numbers making the attacks nothing more than a quick formality (and still with morning attacks of course). That IMO make's you a cheater.so you telling me it is all water under the bridge and no grudges ^^ hasn't quite been the truth i guess.
All these facts above does not take away the achievement this tool would be if standardized.true, but
It just makes you a shady unfair person.this and the other slandering shit you and others spill, i take as an attempt to do so. Many implications without facts or neglecting the facts others and myself posted. Try to point out more your opinions perhaps in comparison to stating them as facts.
Projects with powerful enhancements that severely cut management or otherwise should be in the open for all to see and follow from the get-go. Not done in secrecy. No matter what.Considering what you posted sofar, you definetly have no clue what you are talking about and the capabilities of the addon, which if you would have tested it, with Thovex and Andswaru should have become clear. You had the chance for at least 2 weeks, but instead you and Thovex are just spilling poison, not sure why you tried to distance yourself from.
Let's just agree to disagree. It isn't like I will convince you otherwise nor you me.fuck yes, different opinions, different point of views, different realities it seems. Maybe you are closer to an overall objective truth ... maybe not. In the end as always the truth is somewhere in between right ^^
The whole behaviour in this thread is a shame and in all honesty... if I were Guika, who seems to be the lead programmer, I would just throw the code into your faces and tell every single one of you to "Go fuck yourselves".
Did nords quit strat before or after they attacked the banned grey order fiefs? Wouldn't getting information like that before anyone else be consider cheating?The information was freely available for anyone bothering to look.
Guess a tool would do that :lol:
The information was freely available for anyone bothering to look.http://forum.meleegaming.com/strategus-general-discussion/nords-have-seen-the-light!/msg646055/#msg646055
As Cooties stated, there are much better and much less shady ways to do this. Of course you're not going to invite everyone to first tests. But they could've been open about it, as in announced it to the public, without needing to invite everyone - "hey look we're developing this cool thing here, it's still pretty shitty, but yeah, should be open to everyone once ready, until then we'll be selecting a few testers" - and have several different testers, a proper closed beta, not just from one side. How this was not at least forced by the devs once it was found out... That's what we're trying to point out. The way this was handled throws a suspicious shade on it.I don't think they were like "Hey, let's do some coding and then we get this great thing..." That's not how it works... normally.
U guys are incredible. Im out of words. pathetic mogoloids
Let's be honest this tool isn't even working fine
- Your test platform may literally be incapable of handling large amounts of users, as sometimes it is easier/practical to start small and build larger either from a hardware or software perspective for development.
- Starting small until it is semi-stable and then making it larger later makes it much easier to troubleshoot.
- Public Relations can drastically backlash if you release a product and it does not work, and OPEN BETA is just that, a released product. Perfect example would be the multitude of games that chose to release a closed beta into an open beta and suffered heavy PR due to users expecting everything to "work" and only be missing a few features and not suffer from any glitches or resets or other things, even closed betas (like DUST514) suffered from this PR backlash once it had a lot of closed betatesters of a thousand instead of a few dozen.