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Tears, in regards to the North American stuff, as I mentioned, I didn't want to comment further upon it other than the fringe comedical elements of the NA community had an healthy impact upon the EU community, not that NA didn't have the same type of BS as Europe does. It isn't like I don't read the forum
Regarding the armchair experience note; I have more than a decade of working experience with software both offline and online, not as an actual programmer though I can program and understand code on an average level depending on language of course, but as a project manager, leader and CEO. Everything I said in regards to creating and managing a script/addon holds 100% water.
You also cannot compare WSE2 to what this tool does. They're hugely different things. It isn't like anyone is gaining an unfair advantage using the beta client, we were talking graphical enhancements, fps improvements, all those are easily achievable without WSE2, simple install of a folder mostly. No one could attack faster, see better, hear enemies louder, and what not you can think of with WSE2, nothing at all that would provide an unfair advantage over other players. (Granted I haven't seen the newest current version yet though so dunno if cmp did something silly, but in the beta there was nothing that I would consider an unfair advantage over other players).
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Nocti, doing the right thing is not being self righteous. Nor would I ever claim to be. I do mistakes obviously, so does Nords of course (plenty of fools from us blabbering nonsense), most of this whole predicament between our clans is simply due to misunderstandings, failure to communicate (or articulate) that blew out of proportions because both of our sides were too quick to jump at conclusions instead of talking to each other properly. Everyone feels cheated, lied to, mistreated. If everyone feels like that, obviously mistakes were made.
I've plenty written blame in regards to what our "allies" have done and always said tons of times that anyone who cheats should be banned -- as they have been -- I've advocated check-ups and investigations to cheating no matter who or which clan was in question. The only problem to me, as written many times as well, is that only some have been punished where-as others went home free even though what they did was just as bad. You forget I've been on all the sides in Strategus. The only reason we stand with UIF this round is because we could trust them from the last round, where-as all our experiences previously with other alliances had been bad. Other than that we're not exactly
best buddies of 99. If we're going by your standards I should just do as I do now, comment on any sort of cheating no matter what clan, because I've pretty much worked with every single one in some regard in the Strategus rounds. First it was UIF being the big bad, then bad again, then bad and later friends, and lastly friends again. Both sides utter a ton of crap about each other, there's no difference, both sides have elements that's cheated in serious manners.
All sides are sullied in Strategus, there is no good or bad, basically that's it --
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thank you and good night everyone!That's why I don't bother any more, I'm done, I have been done for months after your stunts with the night time. That was the last straw, I'll give you that dopamine rush for free. Enjoy.
Also, the being serious remark, it is meant to show that someone is doing something that one only would do if it was a threat to ones livelihood, e.g. if someone took their time to go around on a chat relay, such as IRC, or sending PMs on a forum, for hours, days, trying to convince people via lies to hate others in order to receive enhanced powers in Strategus.
That is being serious.
If I'm serious because I spent 20 minutes writing a couple of forum posts, errrm, suure...
I was just trying to play a game, along the rules that was set forth, but it is impossible since everyone is life or death about winning at something that doesn't even have any importance at all.
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chadz, yes you should be much more open. You might become a real boy instead of this autonomous wooden creature
I would have enhanced Strategus for you over a year ago had you been vocal about something such as this. We should actually be
at you for not being vocal about it, so many Strat management hours that could have been put to better use!
Anyway, I come from Counter-Strike too in terms of FPS, beta 5.2 and onward. Scripts in those are
hugely different than what's going on with Strategus IMO. It isn't like there's weeks/months of work involved in Counter-Strike in any way, everything is straight on, in terms of joining a server, playing, gaining something. Buy scripts for FPS games are in general accepted everywhere, for almost any game where it has been available, with good reason too.
However, in time when people started learning about scripting and what it could do, plenty of Anti-Cheat/Script initiatives sprung out, which quickly became standard for any tournament and pretty much every serious game servers that were. Protection
which disabled scripts or kicked/banned people who used unauthorized scripting, such as crouch-jumping scripts, network tweaking in order to make your character harder to hit and what else of cheating people thought of at the time.
There were plenty of cases too, most notably the Finnish clan Astralis which became known as the first ones to use scripts to gain unfair advantages in the more serious parts of the community. All those were eventually squashed, and rules were put in place that kept scripting in check, made sure that there were no unfair advantages given via scripting.
If you were to regulate all that too, sure, let the creativity flow, but it would be quite the operation and time consuming task. I don't see that being an reality here?
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IMO, either there has to be regulation or it should be disallowed.
At the very least if someone wants to make something, post about the idea
so all would know and be able to read about it, tell chadz of course, and then we would have no issues at all; BUT if people don't know, and there's no informal post on the forum and a add-on/tool is discovered to be providing unfair advantages to select players, those involve should definitely be permanently banned, no exceptions. Anything else makes it a shady untrustworthy operation.
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Gingerbut have you thought about what it means for a clan to have Devs inside your clan ? I remember what we got to know when cmpx was a merc.
People can believe whatever they want it doesn't make it true.
cmp might have provided Mercs with unfair advantages and information when he were with you, I'm sure you asked and lobbied all you could, but with the Nords we have never asked nor lobbied him to do anything that would give us an unfair advantage nor has he ever offered anything. Likewise with chadz - or anyone who have developed something for Strategus. Never one time any help, tools, scripts, any beforehand information, not even a damn warning for downtime. We've always had a 100% exact same playing field as everyone who never cheated or exploited the game mechanics.
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