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Title: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Tzar on December 20, 2012, 07:09:02 am
Boing boing im sry no im not...  :lol:                               Dangety dangety daaaang

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Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Christo on December 20, 2012, 08:17:34 am
Instead of all this, be a negotiator.

Worked for me a lot of times, no need to start fights.

Especially not provoke one.

I remember this vid from a few years back, it's hilarious.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Vibe on December 20, 2012, 08:26:31 am
Instead of all this, be a negotiator.

Doesn't work in Eastern Europe
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Christo on December 20, 2012, 08:32:39 am
Doesn't work in Eastern Europe

lol
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: the real god emperor on December 20, 2012, 08:35:08 am
Start a fight if you have some friends.

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Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: pingpong on December 20, 2012, 09:10:30 am
Pffffffff, punching people is for pussies and poor people, i always carry a taser and bearspray with me when i go out, you never know when it might kick off ..
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Taser on December 20, 2012, 09:25:46 am
Pffffffff, punching people is for pussies and poor people, i always carry a taser and bearspray with me when i go out, you never know when it might kick off ..

SLAVERY!

LET MY PEOPLE GO!
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Ujin on December 20, 2012, 11:11:56 am
Doesn't work in Eastern Europe
them silly western liberal pacifists =)
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Joseph Porta on December 20, 2012, 11:34:57 am
Doesn't work in Eastern Europe
^ after a bottle of famous grouse shit goes down or it doesnt, simple as that, everyone will have forgotten the reason behind it anyways the next day huehue :mrgreen:

& the averqge c-rpg player doesn't fight irl! That's primitive!
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Vibe on December 20, 2012, 12:04:33 pm
^ after a bottle of famous grouse shit goes down or it doesnt, simple as that, everyone will have forgotten the reason behind it anyways the next day huehue :mrgreen:

can't say it will lol, 2 guys still looking for me, one for being with his woman, second for calling him an ugly fuck (people want to fight over any minor shit here D:)

actually 3 guys, the third one thinks I was with his woman, but I wasn't


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Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: pingpong on December 20, 2012, 12:43:08 pm
SLAVERY!

LET MY PEOPLE GO!
MOST. RANDOM. REPLY. EVER.

Srsly guyse ive been having break from bars, last time i got in to a fight with 2 black men or maybe it was the same guy i hit twice, cant remember, they all look the same to me, anyways ended up spending the night in jail, NO FUN, wasting lotsa money for a night out only to end up in a hard bunk, instead of wakin up next to a awsum hawt girl..
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Latvian on December 20, 2012, 04:59:43 pm
i am too much of a coward to fight  although i am relatively big guy, i guess i just dont enjoy violence.  :lol:
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Rumblood on December 20, 2012, 05:25:37 pm
Only been in two that ended well.

First guy was typical get in your face being tough with his chest stuck out while talking shit. I put my forehead through his nose and left.

Second guy stood too far away while talking shit for that. I turned sideways to him with my hands down. When he stepped up to swing I judo chopped him in the throat and left when he went down choking.

I learned from getting my ass whipped a couple times before that not to fight. Just end it quickly and leave. Don't stick around. If you don't see the opportunity to end it before it begins, then don't get into a fight at all. Yes, there could have been more than a few scraps, but those were when I knew to simply eat my pride and leave because I would have been fucked up bad. You better be really sure you can end it too. I simply got lucky both times.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Rumblood on December 20, 2012, 05:38:05 pm
I've had family members and friends shot, stabbed, and killed. My Dad was shot 7 times with a .357. Don't get in my face threatening me with violence. I expect you intend to follow through on the threat and will end it before you have the chance.  :idea:

The lesson is: Don't get in people's faces talking shit.

The winner of a fight is he who is willing to take it the farthest the fastest.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Overdriven on December 20, 2012, 05:47:21 pm
That'll also land you in prison the fastest. First thing I learnt about fights. Never ever throw the first punch...it'll only get you in trouble. Instead learn to take a hit and then fair game  :wink:
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Rumblood on December 20, 2012, 06:31:05 pm
This isn't some preppy college boy frat party. I don't know what kind of a "bar" you've been around, but these are real bars with real dangerous men who will gut you like a pig if you look at them crossways. Criminals who've been to jail and don't mind if they go back. I don't give a shit what you think about it. You go play patty cake and you end up dead. You want obituaries? Yes, for the record, I've been to prison. I'm also still alive where other aren't.

You are the one in love with Hollywood theory. I live in the real, dangerous world where you die if you wait until you're ass is in trouble. You think you hash out rules before a bar fight? There are no rules. There is no philosophical discussion like this one. You fuck, or you get fucked.

I would stay out of bars where fights are likely to break out if I were you. Most especially, don't get into people's faces talking violence with that attitude.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Casimir on December 20, 2012, 06:59:28 pm
This isn't some preppy college boy frat party. I don't know what kind of a "bar" you've been around, but these are real bars with real dangerous men who will gut you like a pig if you look at them crossways. Criminals who've been to jail and don't mind if they go back. I don't give a shit what you think about it. You go play patty cake and you end up dead. You want obituaries? Yes, for the record, I've been to prison. I'm also still alive where other aren't.

You are the one in love with Hollywood theory. I live in the real, dangerous world where you die if you wait until you're ass is in trouble. You think you hash out rules before a bar fight? There are no rules. There is no philosophical discussion like this one. You fuck, or you get fucked.

I would stay out of bars where fights are likely to break out if I were you. Most especially, don't get into people's faces talking violence with that attitude.

i lol in your general direction
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Laufknoten on December 20, 2012, 07:21:04 pm
Yeah, the headbutt from nowhere... That's such typical move from drunken idiots. They usually end up hurting themselves more than their counterpart.  :D
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Molly on December 20, 2012, 07:24:38 pm
The head is the General of the army... the General should never be part of the fight but protected from it.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Rumblood on December 20, 2012, 09:25:48 pm
i lol in your general direction

Right back at you  :lol:

The guy you are imagining will be threatening you:

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The guy who actually is telling you he will break your arms and legs and put you in a wheelchair:

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Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Casimir on December 20, 2012, 09:44:54 pm
Right back at you  :lol:

The guy you are imagining will be threatening you:

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The guy who actually is telling you he will break your arms and legs and put you in a wheelchair:

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I tend to avoid both, like most rational people...
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Rumblood on December 20, 2012, 10:19:28 pm
I tend to avoid both, like most rational people...

Your world looks quite lovely...

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Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Casimir on December 20, 2012, 10:29:09 pm
It is, also i don't have pricks smashing their forehead into my nose for 'getting in their face'.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Rumblood on December 20, 2012, 10:43:27 pm
It is, also i don't have pricks smashing their forehead into my nose for 'getting in their face'.

Maybe you should try not getting in someone's face with your fists balled up, chest bumping them and telling them you are going to fuck them up? Who is the prick again?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Casimir on December 20, 2012, 10:51:01 pm
both of you, the sooner you appreciate that the better.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Dezilagel on December 20, 2012, 11:05:45 pm
You fuck, or you get fucked.

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Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Tzar on December 20, 2012, 11:09:45 pm
Geeezz was just a funny video nut to be takin srly hah  :lol:

Again goes to show 50% of the forum users on this board lack any fuckin sense of humour  :lol:
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Rumblood on December 20, 2012, 11:10:03 pm
both of you, the sooner you appreciate that the better.

When you have a knife sticking out of your gut from some asshole in a bar, be sure to console yourself with the thought that you weren't the prick  :wink:
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Casimir on December 20, 2012, 11:32:24 pm
Yes I'm sure my lack of psychotically aggressive violence will result in me getting stabbed...


lol
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Berserkadin on December 21, 2012, 12:03:50 am
Start training muyo thai, learn proper kicks and punches. If you ever get in a fight, you'll probably stay alot calmer since you know your capacity. If you have to, just go low kick punch combo, if its a 1v1, just grab the neck and put knee's all over his face and then slam his head with your elbows. And never underestimate the power of strikes with an open palm, those are fast and hurt alot.

Bas Rutten is a legend btw, started training when he was 21. Never to late ;)
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Knute on December 21, 2012, 01:10:39 am
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Kafein on December 21, 2012, 01:48:05 am
Is it me or that kind of world view is recurrent among vocal archers of this community ? You sound a lot like BlindGuy right now, rumblood
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: isatis on December 21, 2012, 05:13:22 am
your bars seem pretty horrible...
another point on why gay bar are awesome xDDDD
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Rumblood on December 21, 2012, 05:43:19 am
Is it me or that kind of world view is recurrent among vocal archers of this community ? You sound a lot like BlindGuy right now, rumblood

Dad - shot 7 times - lived
Marcus - tendons in hand sliced by knife by some asshole
John - shot with a .22 - lived
Bart - hit in the head with a piece of steel - went in to a coma and never came out of it.
Tony - slashed across the gut with a knife - died
Danny - hit in the head with a bat - cracked his skull from front to back - lived but mentally retarded
Will - shot in the head - lost his eye but lived

All friends and family members.

So yeah, I don't play games when someone threatens me.

I don't start shit, I don't talk shit. But I certainly will end it quickly. Bottom line is, you don't get into bar fights, period. You either leave, or you take them out in as short a time as it takes. You want to spar? Go to a gym. You start shit in a bar, you best know that you may very well end up dead or maimed for life.

For the want to be pacifists who actually claim to have BEEN to a bar and claim to be non-violent, here's your scenario.

You are shooting pool with your buddies. Guy comes by one of the tables your drinks are sitting on. Sets down an empty beer bottle. Picks up your full beer and starts drinking it. You (with a look of incredulity on your face): "Hey man, that's my beer." Him: Suddenly angry and in your face. "You calling me a thief? Mother fucker I'll cut your fucking ass!" He reaches back into his back pocket.
What are you doing Mr. Pacifist? Let me guess. You raise both hands and start backing away saying "Hey man, I don't want any trouble, what the fuck?" Right?
Yeah. That's exactly what Marcus did. He still can't use his hand properly after the guy brought the knife out anyhow and slashed one of those raised open hands through the tendons and to the bone.

Glad you all live in Disney World. Real world, real shit happens whether you are a "psychotic aggressive" or not.  :rolleyes:

Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: kinngrimm on December 21, 2012, 07:00:46 am
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I would stay out of bars where fights are likely to break out if i were anybody. Don't get into people's faces.

Most situations you can settle by inviting others to drink a beer with you or just leave them alone, if they wouldn't want to leave you alone or agree on a beer (really what man wouldn't agree on free beer ... can't imagine ^^)
then Speed is good, so you can quit and run ;)

If there is no way out of it or a friend or even family is threatened, then i agree on taking what ever measures needed. But if friends bring such situations down on me, i would reconsider in the future spending anymore time with them especially in public.

Being punched yourself first, is good in terms of the law, if the dudes have weapons that clearly is no option.

However it goes down, you should be the first afterwards to report to the authorities!

But guys really when it comes to violence, you yourself, already made many mistakes to allow it happen.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: [ptx] on December 21, 2012, 07:39:57 am
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Naw, i guess we just don't live where you do. Fuckin' eurotrash, right?
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Vibe on December 21, 2012, 08:01:47 am


One would rethink what kind of places of entertainment you and your friends visit. Sure if I picked the bar with Albanians/other Balkanian violent nations I'd have pretty much the same trouble, but I'm not that dumb.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: pingpong on December 21, 2012, 08:06:33 am
Guyse remember hes from the glorious nation of US of A, they use guns there, and apparently theyre pretty effective
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Molly on December 21, 2012, 10:24:58 am
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Kafein on December 21, 2012, 10:55:57 am
You are shooting pool with your buddies. Guy comes by one of the tables your drinks are sitting on. Sets down an empty beer bottle. Picks up your full beer and starts drinking it. You (with a look of incredulity on your face): "Hey man, that's my beer." Him: Suddenly angry and in your face. "You calling me a thief? Mother fucker I'll cut your fucking ass!" He reaches back into his back pocket.
What are you doing Mr. Pacifist? Let me guess. You raise both hands and start backing away saying "Hey man, I don't want any trouble, what the fuck?" Right?
Yeah. That's exactly what Marcus did. He still can't use his hand properly after the guy brought the knife out anyhow and slashed one of those raised open hands through the tendons and to the bone.

Looks like a fine establishment indeed, my good sir.

I guess non-violence is viable only in civilized parts of the world (that is, not crook bars).
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Overdriven on December 21, 2012, 12:02:20 pm
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Lesson learnt:
Don't hang out in shit bars.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Lannistark on December 21, 2012, 02:24:05 pm
Rumblood has just taught us a life lesson. Cookies for him.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Rumblood on December 21, 2012, 05:02:46 pm
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Naw, i guess we just don't live where you do. Fuckin' eurotrash, right?

Never used the term in my life. You've got quite a bit of built of pent up Euro guilt have you? People in glass houses and all that.  :idea:

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Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Dezilagel on December 21, 2012, 06:09:47 pm
Rumblood, what were you in jail for? Stole a judo suit?

He's the one who's been stealing all the sweetrolls :!:

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Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Teeth on December 21, 2012, 06:49:27 pm
Rumblood has just taught us a life lesson. Cookies for him.
Lesson learnt:
Rumblood lives in a mining town in 1872.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Kafein on December 21, 2012, 08:50:02 pm
He's the one who's been stealing all the sweetrolls :!:

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Also, he can cast a few spells. Please brew me an ale.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Tibe on December 21, 2012, 09:15:17 pm
Rumblood if my awesome Disneyland helps me live old and be happy, why the hell would I walk out of there just its not violent enough? Im sorry Rum if I dont need to be shot at/stabbed/beaten up or see it happen to feel alive like you.

 I dunno about the bars you visit, but guys starting to raise trouble in places I go, get kicked out immediately and no they are not some heavly guarded expensive places.  Its just that people like to drink at peace there and chat with buddies, not start fighting. If 1 guy even slightly sturs up, the entire bar kicks em out. And there usually is no worries that he might have a firearm or anything, cause its not some amurican freedom.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Lannistark on December 21, 2012, 09:38:01 pm
Tell me wrong, Rumblood:

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Post by: Rumblood on December 21, 2012, 10:53:15 pm
Tell me wrong, Rumblood:

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The boys who claim to go to bars, yet claim bar fights don't exist in their bars? Yep, Maximum  :lol:

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Rumblood, what were you in jail for? Stole a judo suit?

For trolling Euro's obviously  :lol:
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: pingpong on December 22, 2012, 05:36:27 am
Never used the term in my life. You've got quite a bit of built of pent up Euro guilt have you? People in glass houses and all that.  :idea:

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IF we are going to have the most lunatic psychopaths per square mile competition, im afraid good sir, you have won
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on April 04, 2013, 08:58:17 pm
This isn't some preppy college boy frat party. I don't know what kind of a "bar" you've been around, but these are real bars with real dangerous men who will gut you like a pig if you look at them crossways. Criminals who've been to jail and don't mind if they go back. I don't give a shit what you think about it. You go play patty cake and you end up dead. You want obituaries? Yes, for the record, I've been to prison. I'm also still alive where other aren't.

You are the one in love with Hollywood theory. I live in the real, dangerous world where you die if you wait until you're ass is in trouble. You think you hash out rules before a bar fight? There are no rules. There is no philosophical discussion like this one. You fuck, or you get fucked.

I would stay out of bars where fights are likely to break out if I were you. Most especially, don't get into people's faces talking violence with that attitude.

Sorry to necro this thread, found it from someone's sig...

That's always been my philosophy for at least 10 years (I'm 30 now).  We're adults, we're no longer in grade school.  If someone threatens you with physical harm, you need to take that threat very seriously, your life is potentially at stake.  Even if they aren't using a weapon, the right punch or elbow or knee and you can die (or get knocked out and then die when your head slams into something). 

My advice for anyone who's put in a situation where someone is escalating the situation, try to step back and leave.  If you are pursued or have nowhere to retreat to, refrain from getting into shit talking or provoking the other person.  If they step up into your personal space, I would advise that you do not wait to see what their intentions are.   In most states in America I highly doubt you would be criminally liable for being the first to physically act in a confrontation where someone else is being the aggressor and threatening you.

Just to clarify, I'm not a violent person, I would never go out of my way to start a fight, but you're being delusional if you don't think there are dangerous people in all parts of the world, and potentially in any bar or establishment you visit.  My point (and I'm pretty sure Pappy's) is that if someone is going to get in your face or threaten you with violence, you shouldn't wait around to find out if they're going to follow through with it.  Either separate yourself from the situation, or be the first to act (you can still claim self defense if you are the first to physically act, if someone is threatening you and approaching you in a violent manner)
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Post by: Vodner on April 04, 2013, 09:20:02 pm
Where do you people live that unavoidable barfights are commonplace? I've been going to the same pub for about ten years, and I can count the number of fights I've seen on one hand. Even those ended quickly when the bouncer intervened. The usual crowd consists almost entirely of folks who are tired from work and who want a pleasant way to unwind.
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Post by: CrazyCracka420 on April 04, 2013, 09:23:22 pm
I never said they were common place...I've only been in one situation like that in my adult life and I was able to back out of the situation before it escalated.  I hardly ever witness fights either...and the bars I go to typically don't have bouncers.

But I've witnessed enough angry people start a fight (or attempt to provoke someone into a fight) over the most menial things to know it happens, and what the best course of action is.  And it's not like I'm in some ghetto or red neck bars, angry drunk people can be anywhere.

My main point (that I didn't clearly make) was that people who get into a shouting match, or chest bumping or face to face before a fight are retarded.  If someone threatens you, you should take that seriously.  I didn't make any mention of how common that occurrence is...
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Post by: Tibe on April 04, 2013, 09:25:14 pm
Never used the term in my life. You've got quite a bit of built of pent up Euro guilt have you? People in glass houses and all that.  :idea:

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This statement always makes me lol. Now americans can also say "Hei! LOOK! EU had massmurder too, our gunpolicies dont suck so bad now do they?"
Breivik was a christian terrorist. Its not the same thing as the typical USA thing, where a dude looses his house, job, wife and out of temorary insanity picks up one of his 100 assultrifles he bought to protect his family at first and starts shooting up the neibhourhood. And EU definately does not have organised crime as bad as USA has. Shit there are gangs there that reach like 200 soldiers strong all with kevlar and shit..

Atleast our glasshouse doesnt have to be bulletproof.  :lol:
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Post by: Joseph Porta on April 08, 2013, 04:06:20 pm
can't say it will lol, 2 guys still looking for me, one for being with his woman, second for calling him an ugly fuck (people want to fight over any minor shit here D:)

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3 months late but hey, better late then never! And I feel you bro, here you can't even look at people and theyre already itching to fight im not a fighter myself but when shit goes down I stand my ground, allthough i rather avoid it, sometimes you just gotta do what has to be done! I cant count the times on 2 hands i got arrested because some fool and his 5 friends started acting up to me when I was alone and got what he was askin for, but it always ends up with me being taken and the aggrevators qq'ing somewhere, not worth it imo.

Btw: playaa playaaa  :lol:
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Sniger on April 08, 2013, 04:31:11 pm

lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXb6bjCCtuY
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: SixThumbs on April 09, 2013, 05:55:48 am
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Post by: Xant on May 05, 2013, 03:17:00 am
Rutten's Punk Payback is somewhat entertaining too.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: zagibu on May 05, 2013, 04:18:42 am
Seriously, the old one-two still works best. As soon as someone starts pushing you with his hands, fake a left low punch (or right if that's your jab hand) then uppercut the other fist in his face. You can also try a side hook, but since he will instinctively bend over because of the fake low punch, you might miss it. The side hook is more effective, though, and might be necessary if the dude is a brawler. But most people don't continue once you've broken their nose/teeth/jaw, so the uppercut is usually good enough.

Oh, and don't help the guy up, but also don't hit him when he's down. It won't be self defense anymore, if you do.

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Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on May 05, 2013, 04:58:11 am
The key to getting into a Bar fight in Aus is to tip your empty glass upside down on the bar, tis the Australian (now international) sign of "Fighten round the world." come on tugga!
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Post by: Xant on May 05, 2013, 04:21:00 pm
Seriously, the old one-two still works best. As soon as someone starts pushing you with his hands, fake a left low punch (or right if that's your jab hand) then uppercut the other fist in his face. You can also try a side hook, but since he will instinctively bend over because of the fake low punch, you might miss it. The side hook is more effective, though, and might be necessary if the dude is a brawler. But most people don't continue once you've broken their nose/teeth/jaw, so the uppercut is usually good enough.

Oh, and don't help the guy up, but also don't hit him when he's down. It won't be self defense anymore, if you do.

Nothing like faking a punch when someone is just pushing you. A brilliant idea, old chap.
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Post by: zagibu on May 05, 2013, 05:40:10 pm
Sorry pal, but a push is an aggressive move, you don't push people if you don't want to fight. And yes, in court, it counts as self defense if you punch someone after he has pushed you. What matters is how you act AFTER the punch. If you go crazy and beat the shit out of the dude, it will be assault, but if you do nothing and let him be helped or get up on his own, it's self defense.
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Post by: Ronin on May 05, 2013, 06:38:12 pm
Sorry pal, but a push is an aggressive move, you don't push people if you don't want to fight. And yes, in court, it counts as self defense if you punch someone after he has pushed you. What matters is how you act AFTER the punch. If you go crazy and beat the shit out of the dude, it will be assault, but if you do nothing and let him be helped or get up on his own, it's self defense.
And what are you supposed to do when he gets up angrily?
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Post by: Oberyn on May 05, 2013, 06:52:27 pm
This statement always makes me lol. Now americans can also say "Hei! LOOK! EU had massmurder too, our gunpolicies dont suck so bad now do they?"
Breivik was a christian terrorist. Its not the same thing as the typical USA thing, where a dude looses his house, job, wife and out of temorary insanity picks up one of his 100 assultrifles he bought to protect his family at first and starts shooting up the neibhourhood. And EU definately does not have organised crime as bad as USA has. Shit there are gangs there that reach like 200 soldiers strong all with kevlar and shit..

Atleast our glasshouse doesnt have to be bulletproof.  :lol:

Wat. The italian mafia and their representative Silvio Berlusconi would like to have a word with you about that. Or the all the eastern euro gangs. Or various immigrant gangs that have as easy access to automatic weapons as any other euro or US one. Or the neo-chocolate chip cookie "militias". etc...
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: BASNAK on May 05, 2013, 06:55:46 pm
Can someone give Rumblood the custom title "badass"?
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: donib on May 05, 2013, 06:57:42 pm
Moral of the story

Stay home and play cRPG.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: B3RS3RK on May 05, 2013, 07:57:07 pm
What I can say on bar fights:

If you pick the right bars and behave correctly, the only people that will want to start fights are drunk fucks which are more likely to hurt themselves than to hurt you.

However, "He who searcheth trouble shall find it"

If you go into shabby shacks where most of the clients each have spent more years in prison than you even lived, then it´s no wonder you´ll get into dangerous fights.
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Post by: Ronin on May 05, 2013, 08:15:42 pm
What I can say on bar fights:

If you pick the right bars and behave correctly, the only people that will want to start fights are drunk fucks which are more likely to hurt themselves than to hurt you.

However, "He who searcheth trouble shall find it"

If you go into shabby shacks where most of the clients each have spent more years in prison than you even lived, then it´s no wonder you´ll get into dangerous fights.

Dad - shot 7 times - lived
Marcus - tendons in hand sliced by knife by some asshole
John - shot with a .22 - lived
Bart - hit in the head with a piece of steel - went in to a coma and never came out of it.
Tony - slashed across the gut with a knife - died
Danny - hit in the head with a bat - cracked his skull from front to back - lived but mentally retarded
Will - shot in the head - lost his eye but lived

Yeah, all of those guys were looking for some adventure probably :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Rumblood on May 05, 2013, 09:48:04 pm
It doesn't have to be a bar, and all it takes is a single punch to kill you. When you are being threatened, you can take it seriously, or you can be a victim that your family can mourn.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/nation_world/20130505_ap_soccerrefereepunchedbyplayerinutahdies.html (http://www.philly.com/philly/news/nation_world/20130505_ap_soccerrefereepunchedbyplayerinutahdies.html)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2201186/Chef-killed-single-punch-takeaway-row-standard-cheesy-chips.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2201186/Chef-killed-single-punch-takeaway-row-standard-cheesy-chips.html)
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/377521/Teenager-killed-cancer-surgeon-with-one-punch (http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/377521/Teenager-killed-cancer-surgeon-with-one-punch)
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2012/nov/30/jury-deliberates-fate-man-accused-1-punch-death/ (http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2012/nov/30/jury-deliberates-fate-man-accused-1-punch-death/)
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Post by: B3RS3RK on May 05, 2013, 11:50:03 pm
Yeah, all of those guys were looking for some adventure probably :rolleyes:

Ok, listen up: What I meant to say was NOT that they went out looking for an adventure; I meant that if you go to bars and areas with a lot of criminals and crooks then you dont need to wonder if you get in trouble.

And about the single punch thing: Yes, it is possible to get killed by one punch.Is it common?No, because it has to be really bad luck to get killed by one punch(Except if your enemy is some master of martial arts or something).Also, it only takes one car accident, one little trip over something on the floor and only one of about a 1000 other things to kill you - hell, even slipping on a banana peel on the sidewalk can kill you.

I have no Idea where you live, but it must be a postapocalyptic wasteland if you get shot, stabbed or punched everytime you go out drinking.

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When you are being threatened, you can take it seriously, or you can be a victim that your family can mourn.

only a sith deals in absolutes  :lol:

Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Kafein on May 06, 2013, 12:28:00 am
Buff punch
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Post by: Lars on May 06, 2013, 01:49:21 am
Buff punch


Yes, sometimes one punch isn't enough

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Post by: zagibu on May 06, 2013, 03:22:08 am
And what are you supposed to do when he gets up angrily?

Fight or run. Most lose their anger though, because a broken nose hurts quite a bit. Also, why is it always a he? Have you seen the chicks Dextaa is posting in the Gentlemanly gentlemen's boners thread? I'm not sure if I would try a one two on some of those...
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Post by: Xant on May 06, 2013, 05:36:23 am
Sorry pal, but a push is an aggressive move, you don't push people if you don't want to fight. And yes, in court, it counts as self defense if you punch someone after he has pushed you. What matters is how you act AFTER the punch. If you go crazy and beat the shit out of the dude, it will be assault, but if you do nothing and let him be helped or get up on his own, it's self defense.

Way to completely miss the point.
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Post by: zagibu on May 06, 2013, 08:29:15 am
Way to completely miss the point.

Yeah, I just reread what you wrote and still don't get it.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Xant on May 06, 2013, 01:29:30 pm
No, you wouldn't, would you.
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Post by: Corwin on May 06, 2013, 01:47:02 pm
Move to Texas and then wear .45 in a holster openly so that everyone sees. No one will pick a fight with you unless they have gun as well. But then, you wouldn't be in a bar fight, you would be in a bar gun fight. Win win.
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Post by: Xant on May 06, 2013, 02:59:12 pm
Move to Texas and then wear .45 in a holster openly so that everyone sees. No one will pick a fight with you unless they have gun as well. But then, you wouldn't be in a bar fight, you would be in a bar gun fight. Win win.

Open carry is not legal in Texas, you fool.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Corwin on May 06, 2013, 03:04:41 pm
You are right. It doesn't make sense, but you are right. Damn it, than move to Oklahoma instead and do the same.
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Post by: Xant on May 06, 2013, 05:54:53 pm
Open carry is dumb.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on May 06, 2013, 06:41:00 pm
I read about a bar fight that killed someone (or put them in a coma) at least once a month in my local newspaper or on the local news.  Most of the time it was only one person being the aggressor and sucker punching someone.

You don't have to be looking for a fight to end up in a dangerous situation.  And I live in Minnesota, in the Twin Cities area, which is a relatively safe and "good" place to live (by almost every possible metric)
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Post by: donib on May 06, 2013, 07:23:55 pm
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8c6_1355247169

Yea he pulls out a gun and shoots him in the face
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Rumblood on May 06, 2013, 07:43:18 pm
In England we reserve all our violent and primal urges for when we really need it, out there on the cricket field.

Nice try. Two of those one punch kills I linked were from the U.K. and not on the cricket field.

I love the clean room theorists in this thread. As long as the patrons in bars are people, you are going to have people who do stupid shit. It doesn't matter how "high class" (get your nose out of the air you snob), people do stupid shit in those bars as well.

This thread isn't "Bar fights....do they exist?" or "How to stay at home and only be victim to home invasion and never a bar fight." It is Bar fights tips. If you go to a bars (or clubs, same thing) on a regular basis, you will witness or you or your friends will become involved in a bar fight. Will it happen every night or even every year? No, but it will happen just as surely as you will get into an accident if you ride a motorcycle long enough. You'll hit on some girl you didn't realize wasn't alone and her drunk ass boyfriend will want to break your face for it. You'll be heading back to your table with a drink and some guy will bump into you, spilling your drink on him and he will blame you for his clumsiness and want to break your face for it. Or maybe it was his girlfriend the drink got spilled on and no matter whose fault he will want to kick somebody's ass to impress her. Were you looking for a fight? No. Were you out in some shady part of town? No. You were in a nice club with friends trying to have a good time when you came across someone who had a shitty day, has a bad temper and you look like the guy to take it out on. This thread is about what to do when that event visits your night out.

Oh, I found a picture of the guy who never has and never will get into a bar fight.

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Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: B3RS3RK on May 06, 2013, 08:07:12 pm
"Bar fight tips" also include NOT to smash your head into the nose of everyone talking shit to you.

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Post by: CrazyCracka420 on May 06, 2013, 08:12:22 pm
"Bar fight tips" also include NOT to smash your head into the nose of everyone talking shit to you.

I brought that up, pretty sure other people have as well.  One of the best tips for bar fights, is how to avoid them in the first place.
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Post by: Oberyn on May 06, 2013, 08:19:28 pm
Rumblood, I've been in barfights before, but I don't have family and half a dozen friends who have been scarred, killed or turned into retarded vegetables because of it. I'm going to go on a wild limb here and suggest that maybe, just maybe, your environment and the people that you hang out with aren't representative of the average joe. Looks like a lot of scum and just general criminals. I mean, shot in the eye? Shot in the head? Shot 7 times? What the fuck man? What does that have to do with barfights? You don't think maybe the common denominator was something else than "people get shot in the face and put in coma's all the time in barfights, deal with it bro"?
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Post by: Gnjus on May 06, 2013, 08:42:54 pm
Oh, I found a picture of the guy who never has and never will get into a bar fight.

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Why you posting a picture of Keshian ? I thought these things were forbidden on this forum, private stuff, etc.....  :?
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Post by: Leesin on May 06, 2013, 08:43:28 pm
Bar fight tips, avoid them if possible as they generally aren't worth the chance of being severely hurt or severely hurting someone else and perhaps ending up in prison. Of course sometimes they are unavoidable or you're in the mood for a punch up, then by all means tuck your chin in and put your dukes up son.
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Post by: Kafein on May 06, 2013, 09:03:24 pm
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Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Kafein on May 06, 2013, 09:53:05 pm
Now seriously, if someone steals my beer while I'm playing pool, I will likely ask why, then offer it anyway. Is a beer really worth anything to you ? The idiot is probably trying to prove that he can, anyway.

Not like this ever actually happened to me, but this seems like the reasonable thing to do. Also look at the guy like the piece of turd he is, which is less reasonable.
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Post by: [ptx] on May 06, 2013, 09:59:13 pm
I've gotten into fights and i regret it. HESKEYTIME nails it - if you feel threatened, back off, walk or even run away. There is noone to impress by acting tough. If someone gives you any crap for it afterwards, their opinion is unimportant.
Fighting a random idiotic douche just puts you on the same level - which is their goal from the start anyway.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Gnjus on May 06, 2013, 10:00:23 pm
I've gotten into fights and i regret it.

Only because you never won any.  :twisted:
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Post by: [ptx] on May 06, 2013, 10:04:51 pm
Gnjus is Axel Stone IRL
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Post by: Gnjus on May 06, 2013, 10:16:23 pm
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Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: zagibu on May 07, 2013, 12:21:00 am
To run is not always an option. And to simply stay calm and call the bouncers can also be hard when a group of drunken fucks grope your girl in order to start a fight with you.

Of course, the best thing is to try to not get in a fight at all, but this option is kind of ruled out by the topic already.
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Post by: zagibu on May 07, 2013, 12:23:11 am
Oh, I found a picture of the guy who never has and never will get into a bar fight.

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Actually, this guy fights daily with bars. With Snickers bars.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Rumblood on May 07, 2013, 12:47:13 am
"Bar fight tips" also include NOT to smash your head into the nose of everyone talking shit to you.

No, it includes not talking shit to someone who is going to put their forehead through your nose. Sit your ass in your chair and stay out of other people's faces.

I was trying to make light of an otherwise retardedly 'Listen-to-how-manly-i-am-over-the-internet' style thread. I don't usually mind a debate on forums, never worth getting heated over, but your confrontational and obnoxious manner may explain why you get started on so often, fights aren't as common as you say, they must just think you're a prick.

Offended you did I? Sorry to have pointed out the line of crap about England taking their aggressions to the field. I've noticed people who make smug comments like that don't like being called out on them. But you should walk away, this could degenerate into an Internet Bar fight  :rolleyes: (THAT's making light of an otherwise retarded discussion)
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Rumblood on May 07, 2013, 01:48:45 am
Its okay, people get heated. People also don't get heated, but people THINK that they are. (lack of non-verbal queues on the internet FTW!)

I don't mind your comments. i don't mind that you got mad that you think I advocate using that method to end every confrontation. What I DO mind is that you and many others focus on how to end a confrontation quickly, and completely ignore the rest of what I said in order to rush to the reply button.

I learned from getting my ass whipped a couple times before that not to fight. Just end it quickly and leave. Don't stick around. If you don't see the opportunity to end it before it begins, then don't get into a fight at all. Yes, there could have been more than a few scraps, but those were when I knew to simply eat my pride and leave because I would have been fucked up bad. You better be really sure you can end it too. I simply got lucky both times.

Nearly exactly what you said, except that I also included what you can do when you can't just walk away. There are times when you simply can't and trying to do so will get you hurt worse than squaring up and defending yourself.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Dezilagel on May 07, 2013, 09:34:09 am

Rumblood and the c-rpg community.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: wayyyyyne on May 07, 2013, 09:39:06 am
ok here's my personal bar fight tip:

Do not get into bar fights
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Torben on May 07, 2013, 09:39:48 am
Do not get into bar fights

wheres the fun in that
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Dezilagel on May 07, 2013, 09:45:12 am
Do not get into bar fights

Real men get into at least a dozen barfights per year
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: wayyyyyne on May 07, 2013, 09:49:40 am
I got two more:

Don't visit any kind of establishment where you're likely to get robbed, mugged, stabbed, slashed, shot or bludgeond to death.

Don't talk shit to Rumblood because if you do he's gonna smash your skull in for talking shit about his family.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: B3RS3RK on May 07, 2013, 09:58:25 am
No, it includes not talking shit to someone who is going to put their forehead through your nose. Sit your ass in your chair and stay out of other people's faces.

So, basically, YOU are ALSO one of those guys severely injuring other people for basically nothing?

It´s NO FUCKING WONDER you get into bar-fights often with that attitude.Seriously, from what you´ve said here, you seem to be just the type of person to go into a bar full of ex-convicts and act EXACTLY the way they could find provocating.Hell - you even seem to BE one of those ex-convicts in bars smashing other peoples faces in.

Violence breeds violence.Even if you think so, there is no war going on in the clubs and bars - it´s just a bunch of assholes with too much testosterone and alcohol.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Leesin on May 07, 2013, 11:10:52 am
Bar fight tips, Rumblood shouldn't fuck with me because I'd smash his little bitch ass all over the general vicinity.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Xant on May 07, 2013, 01:52:17 pm
Now seriously, if someone steals my beer while I'm playing pool, I will likely ask why, then offer it anyway. Is a beer really worth anything to you ? The idiot is probably trying to prove that he can, anyway.

Not like this ever actually happened to me, but this seems like the reasonable thing to do. Also look at the guy like the piece of turd he is, which is less reasonable.

Well, buddy, some people don't want to be doormats. If it's okay for anyone to just walk in and steal your beer and you're alright with it, that's cool. Expect to be walked over a lot.

Also, I don't understand how so many fellas here can have a problem with Rumblood headbutting some shitneck who gets in his face and threatens him. Seriously? Only reason I can think for being offended by that is that you're the sort of guy who does that. Otherwise, it's easy: don't be a fucking prick and you won't have to block someone's forehead with your nose.

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Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Leesin on May 07, 2013, 02:21:02 pm
I only actually bothered to read Rumbloods post just now to see what all the fuss was about and I'm still laughing.

"Second guy stood too far away while talking shit for that. I turned sideways to him with my hands down. When he stepped up to swing I judo chopped him in the throat and left when he went down choking."

I bet all kinds of awesome things happen in your imagination.  :lol:
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Casimir on May 07, 2013, 03:36:19 pm

Throwing a punch cos a mate needs you is a different story, but wounded pride and personal insecurity are never a good excuse.


Essentially this, maybe its a cultural thing...
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Gurnisson on May 07, 2013, 03:47:05 pm
it's easy: don't be a fucking prick and you won't have to block someone's forehead with your nose.

I think you've had to that a lot... :wink:
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Xant on May 07, 2013, 03:54:00 pm
Never been a doormat, never had to to raise my fists for my own selfish pride in 5 years. Them being a prick and chatting shit and getting in your face doesn't justify you taking things up another notch

That's just, like, your opinion, man. If someone chooses to act like an asshole, then in my eyes they deserve whatever's coming their way. If they don't realize that they might, in the worst case (or best, depending on your perspective) end up dead, they're fooling themselves.

maybe when you're 17 and trying to act like a big man you think it's necessary- i sure as hell did. But then some day you give a guy a black eye without hesitating just for chatting shit when he's drunk (like so many of us do), a guy who's usually a mate or even your brother, and you realise you're the biggest prick in the world.
I'm very sad to hear that's what you've done. Some of us are in control of ourselves, though, and actually capable of assessing the situation. Why would you deck your friend or your brother for talking shit? If it really bothers you, you should mayhaps just not keep in touch with them. Only do what you're happy to live with.

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wounded pride and personal insecurity are never a good excuse.
Responding with violence against someone shoving and threatening you isn't "wounded pride and personal insecurity." Not only are you allowed to legally defend yourself at that point, that guy deserves a beating for intentionally trying to ruin your good time by being a real Richard-head.

I think you've had to that a lot... :wink:
Actually no, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Kafein on May 07, 2013, 04:45:42 pm
Well, buddy, some people don't want to be doormats. If it's okay for anyone to just walk in and steal your beer and you're alright with it, that's cool. Expect to be walked over a lot.

Nobody wants to be doormats, but some people never grow up. It's their fault being douches, not mine being patient, and I tend to avoid those. The guy would have had one beer, then the bar owner would probably learn about that before seeing me go seek a better place to hang out. It's his responsibility letting douchebags in. The only person that I couldn't avoid, that must have been in high school. Kicked out after I denounced him for cheating on me. Some people are just idiots. And yes that was deliciously sneaky. Fighting back would have granted me more bruises and punishments, and let's not forget I was two years younger.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Casimir on May 07, 2013, 04:50:16 pm
Kicked out after I denounced him for cheating on me.

Do you mean what i think you mean?
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Post by: Xant on May 07, 2013, 04:52:06 pm
It is wounded pride and insecurity. I'm in perfect control now as a result. But you've emphasised the point, what's the difference between a guy you know and normally like becoming an ass when drunk and a total stranger? As you say 'that guy deserves a beating for intentionally trying to ruin your good time', you didnt say it's only ok if it's a stranger, yet you clearly have standards beyond what you've said because you judge me for my assholish action. You've made clear that attacking a guy you know in those circumstances is a shitty thing to do, but at the same time you say 'If someone chooses to act like an asshole, then in my eyes they deserve whatever's coming their way', all i did was the logical next step of 'not taking any shit' on a night out when i was a young idiot, and it opened my eyes to the fact that there really isn't much difference.

I dunno, maybe it is a cultural difference, if you genuinely can't see why slugging a guy for provoking you is wrong then i'm just wasting my words. Maybe it is just considered 'right' in your country, and i can't judge.
When you're drunk you reveal what you're trying to hide while sober. I don't have buddies who become asses when drunk. I don't call dickheads "buddies", see, that's the difference.

I'm just assuming that someone you call a buddy has earned some credit with you, and hence you'll have more patience with him than a stranger. I can't really relate to your situation, though, since like I said, I wouldn't call someone who gets in my face and threatens me a friend.

It's not a cultural difference. I don't know about you, but I make my own choices, moral and otherwise. Culture has shit all to do with it.
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Post by: Casimir on May 07, 2013, 04:53:42 pm
Culture permeates attitudes and behaviours far more than you appreciate.  Look at any basic psychology book and it will tell you that.
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Post by: Gurnisson on May 07, 2013, 04:54:24 pm
Do you mean what i think you mean?

Kafein should respec to my old friendcher now :D
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Xant on May 07, 2013, 04:55:58 pm
Culture permeates attitudes and behaviours far more than you appreciate.  Look at any basic psychology book and it will tell you that.

Yes, it's the biggest influence for most people, and those people are sheeple. Like I said, culture has shit all to do with my choices and beliefs.
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Post by: Casimir on May 07, 2013, 04:58:05 pm
Yes, it's the biggest influence for most people, and those people are sheeple. Like I said, culture has shit all to do with my choices and beliefs.

Self assessment is in no way valid or scientific.  You can believe you make your choices without any outside influence, you will be mistaken.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Xant on May 07, 2013, 05:00:23 pm
Self assessment is in no way valid or scientific.  You can believe you make your choices without any outside influence, you will be mistaken.
You're entitled to your opinion, of course, however wrong it may be.
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Post by: Molly on May 07, 2013, 05:03:14 pm
You're entitled to your opinion, of course, however wrong it may be.
Same goes for you.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Xant on May 07, 2013, 05:05:28 pm
Same goes for you.

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Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Henry_Broodsonson on May 07, 2013, 05:24:11 pm
Imbibe the culture.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Logen on May 07, 2013, 05:24:59 pm
I don't call dickheads "buddies"
:cry:
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Sniger on May 07, 2013, 05:29:03 pm
this thread amuse me.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Xant on May 07, 2013, 05:31:03 pm
Sorry, we got onto the culture-agency debate, i win, it's my subject.
Nope, my subject, I win. Whew, that was easy!

Unfortunately if you want to pursue an internet bitch-fight in this field i can physically counter any half-baked unsubstantiated musings with the prominent authors and dates of their publications on the subject lol. Your lack of self assessment and firm belief in a concept that is provably wrong in academic terms (total agency where culture is not a factor) reflects badly on the rest of your argument because it reveals your lack of objective self-evaluation in general, and makes abundantly clear that everything you've said up to this point has been 100% opinion with no objective fact.
Yada yada yada. I see nothing relevant. I can make similar claims just as easily. Therefore, I'll just say "nope."

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Casimir is dead right about culture, and before you say that's just my opinion or his i can prove we aren't bullshitting. My area of knowledge i'm afraid, i can include a bibliography (overkill) if you truly want to read up in regards to modern scholars perceptions of the pervasiveness of our culture in all things we do, but you won't bother to check it. However you may want to read up on Foucault and 'social discourse' and 'agency', and also Bourdieu and the role of 'habitus' in a society, a simple Wiki search will prove i'm not talking out of my ass. I wouldn't advise pursuing this debate any further lol. The internet is a minefield, you never know when you'll stumble into someone's subject area by mistake lol, i've seen on previous threads that Casimir knows his shit about sociology too.
Cool, provide some quotes that prove me wrong then. As something of an authority on myself, I believe this here discussion is something of a "subject area" of mine, not yours.

I assure you that I'd have reached the same conclusion if I lived in another country. Even yours. And that my reaction wouldn't be considered "okay" in my country.
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Post by: Leesin on May 07, 2013, 05:40:56 pm
Well where I live it's quite normal for people to be dickheads even when they aren't drunk and it's quite normal to punch dickheads when you're not drunk, it's the culture of my town.
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Post by: zagibu on May 07, 2013, 06:02:07 pm
Sorry, we got onto the culture-agency debate, i win, it's my subject. Unfortunately if you want to pursue an internet bitch-fight in this field i can physically counter any half-baked unsubstantiated musings with the prominent authors and dates of their publications on the subject lol. Your lack of self assessment and firm belief in a concept that is provably wrong in academic terms (total agency where culture is not a factor) reflects badly on the rest of your argument because it reveals your lack of objective self-evaluation in general, and makes abundantly clear that everything you've said up to this point has been 100% opinion with no objective fact.

Casimir is dead right about culture, and before you say that's just my opinion or his i can prove we aren't bullshitting. My area of knowledge i'm afraid, i can include a bibliography (overkill) if you truly want to read up in regards to modern scholars perceptions of the pervasiveness of our culture in all things we do, but you won't bother to check it. However you may want to read up on Foucault and 'social discourse' and 'agency', and also Bourdieu and the role of 'habitus' in a society, a simple Wiki search will prove i'm not talking out of my ass. I wouldn't advise pursuing this debate any further lol. The internet is a minefield, you never know when you'll stumble into someone's subject area by mistake lol, i've seen on previous threads that Casimir knows his shit about sociology too.

It seems a bit strange that an expert on sociology would assume outside influences have equally strong effects on all human beings.
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Post by: Xant on May 07, 2013, 06:11:05 pm
It seems a bit strange that an expert on sociology would assume outside influences have equally strong effects on all human beings.
Even stranger that an expert on sociology would initiate the conversation by implying that I have the views I have because of where I live and because it's considered "Right" here -- and then when I deny that, he goes on to talk about human culture as a whole and how it affects people. Two entirely unrelated things and just proves that he doesn't know what he's talking about.

Indeed, his whole argument is proven false just by the simple fact that my view on this is NOT "politically correct" where I come from. Clearly, then, my "local culture" has not utterly and inescapably brainwashed me. I'd love to see him try and disprove that with his expert authors. These authors must also, by necessity, be of the opinion that humanity is divided into hive minds with no individual thought based on their geographical location.
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Post by: Osiris on May 07, 2013, 06:26:32 pm
I'd say your uni teachers have more to do with your outlooks than where you grew up. Nearly everyone i know who went to uni came back a lefty pacifist who act like your opinions are invalid unless you also went and that your some kind of moron if your views differ :-P

Back on topic however me my family and most of the people I've worked with drink a lot in London and never seem to get hit stabbed or shot, the ones that do get into bar fights are usually arseholes who look for trouble when drunk.

Now if i was stupid and went to drink in bars full of "gangs" and other scum then i would probably have your problems too.
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Post by: Xant on May 07, 2013, 06:32:51 pm
Nothing relevant, only names of prominent theorists and their ideologies on this exact subject :/
Yes, you name dropped. Impressive. Not. I'm not going to read the works of those people, so you're going to have to quote their exact words if you want it to be relevant.


Loving the maturity of your 'i'm right cos i say i am' attitude, puts your argument into perspective for everyone. Arguing with a brick wall gets tedious after some time
That's funny, because I was doing it to show you just how ridiculous it is. You're the one doing it. I mean, shit, you even start one of your posts with "I win."


If you distort and misunderstand my argument by refusing to type 'social discourse' or 'habitus' into google then yes, you can pretend i'm wrong. The concept is not that everyone within a culture is the same, but all opinions and veiwpoints within a culture are the product of your culture- eg. rebellious teens dress and act and listen to different music to others, yet they do so in a standardised way that conforms with each other, as such their behavior is defined by their culture. If you misunderstand the concept that isn't my fault, you can claim i'm 'provably wrong' without facts, but to actually do so you'd need to disprove the entire modern study of anthropology that is based on the concept i have expressed.
Yawn. I'm not going to read boring-ass books by people I don't care about just because a random nerd on the Internets tell me to do so. Or how about I do it after you read five books I tell you to read? I don't disagree with that concept per se, but it only works when talking generally. If the author you're loosely quoting claims something else, he's full of shit. But hey, like I said. You're free to, you know, actually quote these things you claim back you up, instead of telling me to "Google it."

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Search Marcel Mauss, Bourdieu or Foucault, they're founding fathers of modern anthropology, the Wiki pages are a bit thin but explain their concepts in a relatively accessible way. Anyone who reads this thread can see i've provided facts and current social theory that they can search to verify, they can see the maturity of your argument (if you can't win, troll), i don't think i need to say anything more.
You have provided zero facts. Zero social theory. All you've done is name dropped and told me to do research. I refer to my earlier offer to you.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: SixThumbs on May 07, 2013, 07:05:02 pm
This is the type of bar I frequent and I act like this everytime I walk in:

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Post by: Oberyn on May 07, 2013, 07:31:04 pm
Lol Foucault, Levi-Strauss and Bourdieu, seriously? Not that their conclusions are completely erroneous, but dude, you couldn't get more post-modernist if you tried. Founding fathers of "modern" anthropology, eh. No, they're the founding fathers of a particular faction of modern anthropology. In the age old nature/nurture debate, they are the ones who completely dismiss nature and pretend that nurture is the most important (or even only) factor. You are aware that sociology is not a science, despite the name right?
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Rumblood on May 07, 2013, 07:41:22 pm
Well where I live it's quite normal for people to be dickheads even when they aren't drunk and it's quite normal to punch dickheads when you're not drunk, it's the culture of my town.

Sounds like a fantasy to me. I'm quite certain you just dream about this happening. After all, anything you couldn't do yourself must be in your imagination :lol:
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Post by: Oberyn on May 07, 2013, 07:49:15 pm
Oops I read Marcel Mauss as Levi-Strauss for some reason. And just to nitpick again, none of their works are used in any scientific discipline as far as I know. Psychology is not a scientific discipline, no more than sociology is. They have had a huge impact on the humanities, that's for sure though.
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Post by: Xant on May 07, 2013, 07:51:05 pm
Says it all doesn't it. My 'name dropping' is called referencing, it's what people do when they back up an argument. The fact you can't be bothered to scan a brief Wiki page to see that i'm infact speaking current academic fact is hardly my fault. It's like me claiming the world is flat, telling everyone else it's their opinion when they tell me otherwise then yawning when i get redirected to all the facts that prove me wrong, that's some real good reasoning.

I provided facts and social theory, you can't refute that since you werent bothered to check, anyone else here can check what i've said by googling the names i listed. Laziness and arrogance aren't legit counters to facts.


Didn't mention Strauss xD and yeah, they're a particular sect, and i wouldn't agree with them in every instance, but their theories on social discourse are hugely influential today and widely used and accepted in psychology and other more scientific disciplines. Tbh, i don't mind what conclusions you draw as long as you can back them up with knowledge like you've just done, not pigheaded dismissal.

No, that's not called referencing, you retard. You reference after you quote something, which you haven't done. Please go ahead and edumacate me on how, for example, Marcel Mauss' wikipage adds anything to this discussion?

Okay, since you're clearly very thick, let me say this all simple-like.

What are the facts and social theory you have provided?

Please state the theories you're supporting plainly, and then provide the sources. Preferably with direct quotes.

Google "Heskey is wrong." There's me disproving you. It's all there, man. Just go and google it. What's that, you're too lazy and arrogant to check all the pages?
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Oberyn on May 07, 2013, 07:55:31 pm
Xant just from our little arguement you could have easily deduced that the people he is referencing are well known sociologists(/philosophers) and that their arguement has something to do with how environment shapes practically everything about a person. You don't need to read a book to get the gist of it, you can have it easily just from this thread.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Sniger on May 07, 2013, 07:58:06 pm
wheres christ0
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Xant on May 07, 2013, 08:02:40 pm
Xant just from our little arguement you could have easily deduced that the people he is referencing are well known sociologists(/philosophers) and that their arguement has something to do with how environment shapes practically everything about a person. You don't need to read a book to get the gist of it, you can have it easily just from this thread.

Yes, I've deduced that. How does that help? That's far, far too vague. I could as easily say environment doesn't have anything to do with how the person turns out. What he needs to provide is direct quotes and sources and these sources have to show how these fellows have reached that conclusion - or it's just "he said she said."
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Henry_Broodsonson on May 07, 2013, 08:32:59 pm
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Post by: Leesin on May 07, 2013, 08:38:35 pm
Sounds like a fantasy to me. I'm quite certain you just dream about this happening. After all, anything you couldn't do yourself must be in your imagination :lol:

You should stick to writing fictional stories about how you dropped a guy with a Judo Chop as he was going to throw a punch, they are funnier.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Xant on May 07, 2013, 09:06:47 pm
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Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: zagibu on May 08, 2013, 01:22:16 am
This whole argument is bullshit. The environment shapes human beings, NO SHIT. It still doesn't mean that every human is as strongly affected by this shaping, and if you really believe there are no cases that don't seem to be shaped very much at all, you should probably visit different parts of town once in a while.

You cannot disprove that Rumblood is only mildly affected by his environment. Your sociology or anthropology theories are a result of statistical research that establish trends and predictions for humanity in general or subgroups thereof, but they cannot be applied to individuals just like that.

You should stick to writing fictional stories about how you dropped a guy with a Judo Chop as he was going to throw a punch, they are funnier.

What is so hard to believe about a judo chop? It might be a funny name, but it's just a strike to the jugular, which is quite effective (and dangerous). It's actually pretty easy to do on an unprepared opponent, and also hard to see coming.

A better idea would have been a liver punch (if he was showing his right side), because that's also an almost guaranteed knockout, but much less dangerous than a strike to the throat. Most wannabe brawlers also assume a movie-like stance where they leave their body almost completely unprotected, so that it's easy to put a left hook in under their defense. The problem is mostly that they also turn too much, so that you usually see their left side only. But then you can hit their solar plexus with a left hook, which works almost as good, if they aren't obese or very well trained and you don't hit too high or low.
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Post by: Leesin on May 08, 2013, 04:27:19 am

What is so hard to believe about a judo chop? It might be a funny name, but it's just a strike to the jugular, which is quite effective (and dangerous). It's actually pretty easy to do on an unprepared opponent, and also hard to see coming.

A better idea would have been a liver punch (if he was showing his right side), because that's also an almost guaranteed knockout, but much less dangerous than a strike to the throat. Most wannabe brawlers also assume a movie-like stance where they leave their body almost completely unprotected, so that it's easy to put a left hook in under their defense. The problem is mostly that they also turn too much, so that you usually see their left side only. But then you can hit their solar plexus with a left hook, which works almost as good, if they aren't obese or very well trained and you don't hit too high or low.

Actually it's a strike to the Trachia and it's very difficult to pull off, let alone actually drop someone with in a real situation. Liver shots are good but again you need to be hitting the right spot, left hooks generally favour hitting the liver if your opponent is facing you. Hitting the solar plexus with anything can work, it doesn't just have to be a left hook.

But yeah, Rumblood is a fantasist and his stories are hilarious.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Rumblood on May 08, 2013, 04:43:44 am
Its okay buddy, think whatever helps you sleep better at night. Wouldn't want you having that recurring nightmare where you tried to throw a punch and suddenly couldn't suck wind through your neck.  :lol:

Here, let me make it even better for you. It was 2 of them wanting to kick my ass and I took that one out as quickly as possible knowing that if I didn't I would be fucked. But hell, you have trouble believing a simple chop to the throat, I didn't want your mind to be blown!  :P

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Zagibu, I'm not left handed and he was on my right. Speed, surprise, and most of all, making sure he wasn't going to recover anytime soon was the main thing on my mind.

Oh and once again for the dense and oxygen deprived.

I learned from getting my ass whipped a couple times before that not to fight. Just end it quickly and leave. Don't stick around. If you don't see the opportunity to end it before it begins, then don't get into a fight at all. Yes, there could have been more than a few scraps, but those were when I knew to simply eat my pride and leave because I would have been fucked up bad. You better be really sure you can end it too. I simply got lucky both times.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Leesin on May 08, 2013, 05:43:23 am
Calm down Chuck.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Xant on May 08, 2013, 06:14:45 am
What's this TRACHIA?
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Molly on May 08, 2013, 08:05:35 am
Xant should be just ignored. After all, he's the same douche saying "The Holocaust never happened."
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Xant on May 08, 2013, 08:17:30 am
D'awww, you're so cute when you're all mad, Benkei.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Molly on May 08, 2013, 08:20:19 am
Amusing or rather sad... you're not even denying it.

How can anyone take anything you write here even slightly serious after such statement?
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Xant on May 08, 2013, 08:38:02 am
Sometimes, you have to be your own white knight.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Molly on May 08, 2013, 08:48:48 am
http://forum.meleegaming.com/general-discussion/wtf-why-is-the-ussr-flag-in-the-banner-system/msg529619/#msg529619 (http://forum.meleegaming.com/general-discussion/wtf-why-is-the-ussr-flag-in-the-banner-system/msg529619/#msg529619)
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Xant on May 08, 2013, 09:42:37 am
Chocolate chip cookies never killed nobody, man.

Edit: Well okay, they might've killed somebody, but I'm pretty sure they're not guilty of genocide.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: zagibu on May 08, 2013, 01:38:18 pm
 :lol:
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Butan on May 08, 2013, 02:44:19 pm
This thread delivers exactly what I expected :

- people looking cool

- people denying coolitude

- forum war
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: EponiCo on May 08, 2013, 06:26:39 pm
This whole argument is bullshit. The environment shapes human beings, NO SHIT. It still doesn't mean that every human is as strongly affected by this shaping, and if you really believe there are no cases that don't seem to be shaped very much at all, you should probably visit different parts of town once in a while.

You are right about the statistic stuff.
But even what you call almost not at all shaped is heavily shaped. Sure people may not hold the views upheld as normative by the "leading fraction" of their peers/state/culture. But when growing up people take up a set of core believes and habits, pattern recognition and problem solving, etc. (*) that - assuming that they have an internal logic - will shape what they believe. There's also statistically some who do differ to others here, but they either become institutionalized or great mathematicians. Sometimes both.
That is what is meant with shaped - I assume you understood it more directly (on of those cultural habits is, unfortunately, never to clarify statements with several meanings in an argument). Still that doesn't mean "everything" or that we could make silly laws about culture -> action, but outright denying that you are influenced makes you look like you are unable to reflect about those things.

(*) Arguably a lot of that is genetically hardwired or something. Still makes little difference - you are still influenced by your parents.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Ronin on May 08, 2013, 06:51:47 pm
Chocolate chip cookies never killed nobody, man.

Edit: Well okay, they might've killed somebody, but I'm pretty sure they're not guilty of genocide.
Funny you. Telling others to amuse you, while you are the real comedian.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Kafein on May 08, 2013, 06:59:21 pm
Oops I read Marcel Mauss as Levi-Strauss for some reason. And just to nitpick again, none of their works are used in any scientific discipline as far as I know. Psychology is not a scientific discipline, no more than sociology is. They have had a huge impact on the humanities, that's for sure though.

They do try to look the part now. Doing statistics and shit.

Also I meant cheating as in looking answers on my exam, but I'm sure everybody understood. It came out hilarous anyway.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Prpavi on May 08, 2013, 06:59:40 pm
Why nobody told me there was major drama up in this bitch yo!

I don't want to read all of Xants 1st world patronising bullcrap, so could somebody please say what is the fuss about in a sentence or two.

Danke chaps!
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Kafein on May 08, 2013, 07:02:55 pm
This thread was better two pages ago.

We need to talk about social sciences more often.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: zagibu on May 08, 2013, 07:06:10 pm
You are right about the statistic stuff.
But even what you call almost not at all shaped is heavily shaped. Sure people may not hold the views upheld as normative by the "leading fraction" of their peers/state/culture. But when growing up people take up a set of core believes and habits, pattern recognition and problem solving, etc. (*) that - assuming that they have an internal logic - will shape what they believe. There's also statistically some who do differ to others here, but they either become institutionalized or great mathematicians. Sometimes both.
That is what is meant with shaped - I assume you understood it more directly (on of those cultural habits is, unfortunately, never to clarify statements with several meanings in an argument). Still that doesn't mean "everything" or that we could make silly laws about culture -> action, but outright denying that you are influenced makes you look like you are unable to reflect about those things.

(*) Arguably a lot of that is genetically hardwired or something. Still makes little difference - you are still influenced by your parents.

I understand that perfectly fine, but I still disagree with you, and it will be damn hard to prove your claims.

Why nobody told me there was major drama up in this bitch yo!

I don't want to read all of Xants 1st world patronising bullcrap, so could somebody please say what is the fuss about in a sentence or two.

Danke chaps!

We were discussing whether a Wiener sausage is still a Wiener sausage if it contains horse meat. This question quite divided the participants, and discussion got a little heated. Thankfully it has calmed down now, so please don't put new coals on the fire.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Logen on May 08, 2013, 07:07:58 pm
http://forum.meleegaming.com/general-discussion/wtf-why-is-the-ussr-flag-in-the-banner-system/msg529619/#msg529619 (http://forum.meleegaming.com/general-discussion/wtf-why-is-the-ussr-flag-in-the-banner-system/msg529619/#msg529619)
that thread :o
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Berserkadin on May 08, 2013, 08:26:07 pm
Butthurt liberals crying about Sovjet-banners
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Lars on May 08, 2013, 09:16:01 pm
Chocolate chip cookies never killed nobody, man.

Edit: Well okay, they might've killed somebody, but I'm pretty sure they're not guilty of genocide.


There is no real evidence that during ww2 gas chambers were used to kill millions of people in chocolate chip cookie concentration camps.

Robert Faurisson: The gas chambers problem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krZH0xQQuFo&pxtry=2

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Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Rumblood on May 08, 2013, 09:20:13 pm
(*) Arguably a lot of that is genetically hardwired or something. Still makes little difference - you are still influenced by your parents.

Correct. Even if you are influenced to reject everything that they stand for, you are still influenced.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Xant on May 08, 2013, 09:42:48 pm

There is no real evidence that during ww2 gas chambers were used to kill millions of people in chocolate chip cookie concentration camps.

Robert Faurisson: The gas chambers problem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krZH0xQQuFo&pxtry=2

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Not to mention the logistics of killing off 6 million people while your country is fighting a war on two fronts. The math doesn't add up.
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Post by: Berserkadin on May 08, 2013, 09:47:27 pm
You can deny the 6 million number, but denying the fact that the chocolate chip cookies killed ALOT of people due to being of the "wrong" race, belief, sexuality etc is just fucked up and wrong.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Teeth on May 08, 2013, 09:49:57 pm
Xant is an idiot, Rumblood a sociopath and Kafein a probable quare, good thread.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Xant on May 08, 2013, 10:31:27 pm
Xant is an idiot, Rumblood a sociopath and Kafein a probable quare, good thread.

Yeah, the sheeple who aren't capable of individual thought and analyzing information by themselves do tend to think of the smart people as idiots. It's half defense mechanism, half plain ol' ignorance.

But take solace in the fact that nobody's dumb on purpose.
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Post by: no_rules_just_play on May 09, 2013, 12:05:58 am
im happy that my  friend (girl) was belgian champion boxing in her class :D

never got in a fight, i guess leuven is a nice city :) but i have seen people closer to dying while being life guard than that guy.
however, i saw a stabwound from a bottle once and some fights but that's all.
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Post by: darmaster on May 09, 2013, 12:17:58 am
Not to mention the logistics of killing off 6 million people while your country is fighting a war on two fronts. The math doesn't add up.

dunno, i don't really want to get involved in this, but, about that "math doesn't add up" i'd like to say something; you get free work from jews, slavs and other bad people (lol) and when they get useless you kill them. also you're mad. it seems fine to me.
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Post by: zagibu on May 09, 2013, 01:30:50 am
Also, you don't have to kill millions for it to qualify as genocide. All that's needed is "the deliberate and systematic destruction of, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group", which was certainly the goal of the nazis.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Kafein on May 09, 2013, 01:40:07 am
Xant is an idiot, Rumblood a sociopath and Kafein a probable quare, good thread.

May I ask you what left you with this impression of me, old chap ?
Wouldn't I be fond of social sciences if I was a quare ?
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: B3RS3RK on May 09, 2013, 01:41:19 am
Yeah, the sheeple who aren't capable of individual thought and analyzing information by themselves do tend to think of the smart people as idiots. It's half defense mechanism, half plain ol' ignorance.

Why is it that this sounds so familiar to me?

Oh, right.Every second Evil mastermind in the movies says something like this.

Coincidence?I think not. :D
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Post by: Casimir on May 09, 2013, 01:44:04 am
May I ask you what left you with this impression of me, old chap ?
Wouldn't I be fond of social sciences if I was a quare ?

Think he was talking about this kafein ;)

Kicked out after I denounced him for cheating on me.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Kafein on May 09, 2013, 01:45:54 am
Why is it that this sounds so familiar to me?

Oh, right.Every second Evil mastermind in the movies says something like this.

Coincidence?I think not. :D

Sorry to break your bubble, they are usually right. Most people don't want to realise how stupid they may be.

Think he was talking about this kafein ;)

I forgot already
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Post by: B3RS3RK on May 09, 2013, 01:59:11 am
Sorry to break your bubble, they are usually right. Most people don't want to realise how stupid they may be.

Generalizing people as "sheeple" that are not capable of individual thoughts testifys of enormous arrogance.

It is also mostly used by people that want to justify their idiotic beliefs.

"Ohmygawd people are so stoopid cuz nobody believes in "insert random terribly retarded opinion here" , and they only call me idiot for voicing that opinion because they have no self-reflection and cant think individual thoughts at all!!!11"
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: wayyyyyne on May 09, 2013, 02:05:13 am

There is no real evidence that during ww2 gas chambers were used to kill millions of people in chocolate chip cookie concentration camps.

Robert Faurisson: The gas chambers problem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krZH0xQQuFo&pxtry=2

If you can't watch the video, use a proxy : http://www.proxfree.com/youtube-proxy.php or http://www.freeyoutubeproxy.net/#sthash.tgwLaDZg.dpbs

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Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: zagibu on May 09, 2013, 04:31:09 am
Generalizing people as "sheeple" that are not capable of individual thoughts testifys of enormous arrogance.

It's not that they aren't capable, but they certainly don't seem to be willing most of the time.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Xant on May 09, 2013, 10:04:11 am
Generalizing people as "sheeple" that are not capable of individual thoughts testifys of enormous arrogance.

It is also mostly used by people that want to justify their idiotic beliefs.

"Ohmygawd people are so stoopid cuz nobody believes in "insert random terribly retarded opinion here" , and they only call me idiot for voicing that opinion because they have no self-reflection and cant think individual thoughts at all!!!11"

The unfortunate truth is that most people are sheeple not capable of individual thought.

I don't need generalizations to justify my beliefs, I can argue for them with logic, because that's how I reach my beliefs. Not because culture tells me something is a-okay. Sheeple aren't capable of that, though, so they prefer to throw around words like "idiot", "arrogant", "psychopath" and so on.

Case in point: Sheeple Teeth (it can also be used as sort of an honorary title) calls me an idiot without providing any arguments, when I am in fact, by my estimations, about thirteen point four times more intelligent than him and his closest family put together.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Kafein on May 09, 2013, 11:00:59 am
Generalizing people as "sheeple" that are not capable of individual thoughts testifys of enormous arrogance.

It is also mostly used by people that want to justify their idiotic beliefs.

"Ohmygawd people are so stoopid cuz nobody believes in "insert random terribly retarded opinion here" , and they only call me idiot for voicing that opinion because they have no self-reflection and cant think individual thoughts at all!!!11"

You do have a point, but as someone with a good knowledge of "domain X", I'm appaled at the number of errors the mass media does and the backwards views they sustain about "X". This is pretty much true of anything. Even important things like the economy or legislations.

You got people with incredibly retarded opinions with nothing to back up their nonsense that criticize the "sheeple", but you also have people that are very knowledgeable about interesting and rigorous topics that basically say the same thing but with proper sentences and in a sad rather than angry way. It's not about anybody being incapable of rational thought, it is about the will to question and test their assumptions. You may be positively very intelligent, that remains unnoticed if you don't use this to solve interesting problems.

It's basically "everybody wants to be an idiot", a concept I believe comes predominantly from UI design, but applied to everything.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Oberyn on May 09, 2013, 12:41:23 pm
The vast majority of people are emotional, not rational. Not that I agree with Xant's retarded holocaust-denialist bullshit. The same morons who to this day are convinced 9/11 was an inside job parrot the same thing. Or people like Alex Jones. "I'm an intelligent individual, unlike THOSE SHEEPLE *SNEER*". It gives idiots carte blanche to legitimize any conspiracy theory bullshit when they are convinced they are part of a small elite that can actually see the "truth".
Xant, what are your sources for your assertions? Don't tell me to read a book by some ridiculous crackpot, give me actual sources, that contradict literally every single historical analysis of WW2 (based on the hundreds, thousands of government records recovered at the end of the war. The chocolate chip cookies were methodical in documenting everything).

That being said, by definition, at least half of any given population have an IQ below 100, i.e below average. There might be higher concentrations on either end of the spectrum, but that's what it averages out to. It doesn't mean higher IQ people are necessarily better critical thinkers or are immune to emotional justifications. Because they aren't.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Berserkadin on May 09, 2013, 01:32:40 pm
Xant you're such a narcissist.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Xant on May 09, 2013, 01:56:45 pm
Xant, what are your sources for your assertions? Don't tell me to read a book by some ridiculous crackpot, give me actual sources, that contradict literally every single historical analysis of WW2 (based on the hundreds, thousands of government records recovered at the end of the war. The chocolate chip cookies were methodical in documenting everything).
What assertions, exactly? Think carefully about what I've actually said, instead of your assumptions of what I've said.

Also: "Extermination camp research is difficult because of extensive attempts by the SS and chocolate chip cookie regime to conceal the existence of the extermination camps. As a result of Sonderaktion 1005, camps were dismantled, records destroyed, and mass graves were dug up. Furthermore, extermination camps that remained uncleared were liberated by Soviet troops, who had different standards of documentation and openness than the Western allies."
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Berserkadin on May 09, 2013, 02:57:25 pm
Regarding the topic, if someone starts fighting with you, it's your responsibility to kick them in the balls, therefor decreasing their chance of putting their offspring on the earth.
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Post by: Oberyn on May 09, 2013, 08:19:23 pm
What assertions, exactly? Think carefully about what I've actually said, instead of your assumptions of what I've said.

Also: "Extermination camp research is difficult because of extensive attempts by the SS and chocolate chip cookie regime to conceal the existence of the extermination camps. As a result of Sonderaktion 1005, camps were dismantled, records destroyed, and mass graves were dug up. Furthermore, extermination camps that remained uncleared were liberated by Soviet troops, who had different standards of documentation and openness than the Western allies."

Shirer's The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich goes into the literally tens of thousands of documents recovered during the "conquest" of Germany. No matter how hard they tried to conceal the existence of extermination camps, the SS obviously failed. And this is an old analysis, not even taking into account the treasure trove of other documents discovered since. There is no difficulty whatsoever in establishing their existence, unless you're willfully ignoring the evidence. The research is self-explanatory. What is your source for that statement? Googling your quote brings up literally one site, that completely agrees with my perspective to boot.
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Post by: B3RS3RK on May 09, 2013, 09:45:02 pm
I would also like to know how he counters the existence of photos of liberated concentration camps and it´s inhabitants AND all the first-hand stories by these inhabitants?

And please dont tell me they have been a giant lie and the USA hired thousands of anorexic actors to play the inmates of these camps to pose for the pictures AND of course made every jew living in the euro-zone tell a completely untrue story.

I almost refuse to believe somebody could be that retarded to thing the holocaust didnt happen.
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Post by: Xant on May 09, 2013, 10:41:14 pm
Shirer's The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich goes into the literally tens of thousands of documents recovered during the "conquest" of Germany. No matter how hard they tried to conceal the existence of extermination camps, the SS obviously failed. And this is an old analysis, not even taking into account the treasure trove of other documents discovered since. There is no difficulty whatsoever in establishing their existence, unless you're willfully ignoring the evidence. The research is self-explanatory. What is your source for that statement? Googling your quote brings up literally one site, that completely agrees with my perspective to boot.

Wikipedia, a pro-Holocaust article on the extermination camps.

I would also like to know how he counters the existence of photos of liberated concentration camps and it´s inhabitants AND all the first-hand stories by these inhabitants?

And please dont tell me they have been a giant lie and the USA hired thousands of anorexic actors to play the inmates of these camps to pose for the pictures AND of course made every jew living in the euro-zone tell a completely untrue story.

I almost refuse to believe somebody could be that retarded to thing the holocaust didnt happen.

Nobody is denying the existence of concentration camps.
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Post by: Kafein on May 09, 2013, 11:32:37 pm
Nobody is denying the existence of concentration camps.

This guy invented negationism of negationism (http://inception.davepedu.com/).

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Post by: B3RS3RK on May 09, 2013, 11:58:40 pm
Nobody is denying the existence of concentration camps.

So what is it exactly you are denying?You said chocolate chip cookies didnt do genocide, but how is it even possible for you to believe that?What I said still stands - Thousands of eyewitnesses, all deliberately LYING?I can´t believe you would think that.
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Post by: Xant on May 10, 2013, 01:34:54 am
So what is it exactly you are denying?You said chocolate chip cookies didnt do genocide, but how is it even possible for you to believe that?What I said still stands - Thousands of eyewitnesses, all deliberately LYING?I can´t believe you would think that.

Well, I haven't seen records of these thousands of eyewitnesses claiming that chocolate chip cookies did genocide. And I find it more than a little hard to believe.
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Post by: zagibu on May 10, 2013, 04:13:50 am
You don't understand. It is not necessary to have gas chambers or huge death camps to be guilty of genocide. This is the definition of genocide:

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    ...any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

        (a) Killing members of the group;
        (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
        (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
        (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
        (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

    — Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, Article II

The only way it would be possible that your statement is true, Xant, is if the nazis didn't want to destroy the jews in whole or in part.
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Post by: Kafein on May 10, 2013, 10:28:47 am
Xant, the burden of proof is on your side. Don't try your "doubt" jedi mind tricks on us.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Xant on May 10, 2013, 12:22:30 pm
Xant, the burden of proof is on your side. Don't try your "doubt" jedi mind tricks on us.

No it isn't.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Osiris on May 10, 2013, 12:28:04 pm
Cookies cant commit genocide silly noobs, they are just biscuits.
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Post by: Erzengel on May 10, 2013, 12:50:07 pm
Xant, you are a total retard that has absolutely no idea about history. The holocaust is a historical fact. I am a history student and I have spent lots of time on this topic. There is no doubt that it did happen. There are ten thousands of sources and eyewitness reports which confirm its existence (and yes, I have seen a lot of them). Killing 6 Million people is not possible regarding the logistics? Have you ever heard of Eichmann and the genocide on the hungarian jews? Over 450.000 of them were murdered between May 1944 (when Germany basically already had lost the war) and the fall of Hungary. At the end of the war the chocolate chip cookies even stopped trains with important war material to send more jews to the concentration camps. At this point killing all european jews was more important for them than trying to win the war.

What you claim here is just pure bullshit based on zero evidence.
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Post by: Prpavi on May 10, 2013, 12:59:47 pm
Xant, you are a total retard that has absolutely no idea about history. The holocaust is a historical fact. I am a history student and I have spent lots of time on this topic. There is no doubt that it did happen. There are ten thousands of sources and eyewitness reports which confirm it's existence (and yes, I have seen a lot of them). Killing 6 Million people is not possible regarding the logistics? Have you ever heard of Eichmann and the genocide on the hungarian jews? Over 450.000 of them were murdered between May 1944 (when Germany basically already had lost the war) and the fall of Hungary. At the end of the war the chocolate chip cookies even stopped trains with important war material to send more jews to the concentration camps. At this point killing all european jews was more important for them than trying to win the war.

What you claim here is just pure bullshit based on zero evidence.


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Post by: Xant on May 10, 2013, 02:23:41 pm
Cookies cant commit genocide silly noobs, they are just biscuits.

Exactly. Think of the implications... for them to be able to commit genocide, they'd need to be sentient. And if that's true, then we're the ones committing genocide. They'd just be taking vengeance for centuries of wanton slaughter and torture ("just a small piece of that cookie, dad!") of their kin.
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Post by: Molly on May 10, 2013, 02:35:31 pm
Why are you even arguing with this little piece of shit?

Others got muted instantly for saying "Palestinians didn't do everything wrong" but Xant can deny the Holocaust for pages w/o any mod giving a shit.
He's the same asshole as this DragonLeader character. Only difference is the grammar - same brown attitude, just a bit more sophisticated.
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Post by: Erzengel on May 10, 2013, 02:39:59 pm
Why are you even arguing with this little piece of shit?

Others got muted instantly for saying "Palestinians didn't do everything wrong" but Xant can deny the Holocaust for pages w/o any mod giving a shit.
He's the same asshole as this DragonLeader character. Only difference is the grammar - same brown attitude, just a bit more sophisticated.

There will be consequences for him. It is just the first time that I saw this shit. I will talk to Meow later.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Xant on May 10, 2013, 02:41:10 pm
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Also, how is questioning something ever wrong? The fact that some European countries still hand out prison sentences for people exercising freedom of speech and speaking against government approved facts is utterly ridiculous.

I'll also give you 50 dollas if you can show me where I deny the Holocaust.
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Post by: Erzengel on May 10, 2013, 02:56:33 pm
I'll also give you 50 dollas if you can show me where I deny the Holocaust.

http://forum.meleegaming.com/general-discussion/wtf-why-is-the-ussr-flag-in-the-banner-system/msg529619/#msg529619 (http://forum.meleegaming.com/general-discussion/wtf-why-is-the-ussr-flag-in-the-banner-system/msg529619/#msg529619)

"chocolate chip cookies didn't do genocide."

Chocolate chip cookies never killed nobody, man.

Edit: Well okay, they might've killed somebody, but I'm pretty sure they're not guilty of genocide.

:rolleyes:
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Xant on May 10, 2013, 03:04:48 pm
http://forum.meleegaming.com/general-discussion/wtf-why-is-the-ussr-flag-in-the-banner-system/msg529619/#msg529619 (http://forum.meleegaming.com/general-discussion/wtf-why-is-the-ussr-flag-in-the-banner-system/msg529619/#msg529619)

"chocolate chip cookies didn't do genocide."

:rolleyes:

Yes, well, I'd be very surprised if it turns out chocolate chip cookies were responsible for the Holocaust.
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Post by: Erzengel on May 10, 2013, 03:07:18 pm
Yes, well, I'd be very surprised if it turns out chocolate chip cookies were responsible for the Holocaust.

Not funny at all. Just shows again what a retard you are.
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Post by: Xant on May 10, 2013, 03:07:52 pm
Not funny at all. Just shows again what a retard you are.

Humor is in the eye of the beholder, my good friend.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Erzengel on May 10, 2013, 03:08:45 pm
Humor is in the eye of the beholder, my good friend.

Your other posts regarding this topic show that it is not about humor. It is just a lame excuse.
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Post by: Xant on May 10, 2013, 03:12:34 pm
Your other posts regarding this topic show that it is not about humor. It is just a lame excuse.

Which posts? I've been watching with great amusement how people read much more into my posts than what is actually said. Assumptions and letting your mind fill in the blanks is a funny thing.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: wayyyyyne on May 10, 2013, 04:30:31 pm
oy vey dis thread is like experiencing the shoa all ovah again
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Henry_Broodsonson on May 10, 2013, 05:08:06 pm
w  w ve

shove over
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on May 10, 2013, 05:15:22 pm
Yes, well, I'd be very surprised if it turns out chocolate chip cookies were responsible for the Holocaust.

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This sums up Xant, just stop talking to him
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Post by: Xant on May 10, 2013, 05:16:41 pm
Then who the hell was responsible?
Nazis, by all accounts.

Oh, nice edit. Better to realize your stupidity late than never.
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Post by: Kafein on May 10, 2013, 08:30:21 pm
"chocolate chip cookies didn't do genocide."

"Yes, well, I'd be very surprised if it turns out chocolate chip cookies were responsible for the Holocaust. "

"Chocolate chip cookies never killed nobody, man.

Edit: Well okay, they might've killed somebody, but I'm pretty sure they're not guilty of genocide."

I suppose there are better places than this forum to discuss the holocaust.


Also einstein pushed Roosevelt to research the atom bomb.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Henry_Broodsonson on May 10, 2013, 08:35:50 pm
the x2 experien e
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: B3RS3RK on May 10, 2013, 08:37:34 pm
Nazis, by all accounts.

Oh, nice edit. Better to realize your stupidity late than never.

And this, gentlemen, is why auto-censoring is a horrible, horrible Idea.Instead of doing any good, it just enables new ways for trolls to fuck the asses of every normal forum user.

I always had it in the back of my mind: "Could it be he´s trolling us?Could it be he actually means chocolate chip cookies and not chocolate chip cookies?"
And then I thought:"No, for one time, let´s not spot trolls where are none, just take him seriously"

And this is what I have of it.

Xant, you are an expert troll.Iam not sure you should be proud of this achievement because it makes you a massive douchebag, but you are.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Henry_Broodsonson on May 10, 2013, 08:42:10 pm
/smug

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBNdIXAVY-Y&feature=player_detailpage#t=88s
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Molly on May 10, 2013, 09:00:56 pm
He made this (http://forum.meleegaming.com/general-discussion/wtf-why-is-the-ussr-flag-in-the-banner-system/msg529619/#msg529619 (http://forum.meleegaming.com/general-discussion/wtf-why-is-the-ussr-flag-in-the-banner-system/msg529619/#msg529619)) statement way before the forum censor. So don't think for a second he was trolling. He is dead serious with this crap. Probably now just too afraid to pull through cuz he might actually be muted or banned for this shit.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Ronin on May 10, 2013, 09:10:07 pm
Bar fight tip: Never claim chocolate chip cookies didn't do any genocide.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Xant on May 10, 2013, 10:30:51 pm
"chocolate chip cookies didn't do genocide."

"Yes, well, I'd be very surprised if it turns out chocolate chip cookies were responsible for the Holocaust. "

"Chocolate chip cookies never killed nobody, man.

Edit: Well okay, they might've killed somebody, but I'm pretty sure they're not guilty of genocide."

I suppose there are better places than this forum to discuss the holocaust.


Also einstein pushed Roosevelt to research the atom bomb.

You've just proved that I believe biscuits aren't responsible for genocide. Congratulations.

He made this (http://forum.meleegaming.com/general-discussion/wtf-why-is-the-ussr-flag-in-the-banner-system/msg529619/#msg529619 (http://forum.meleegaming.com/general-discussion/wtf-why-is-the-ussr-flag-in-the-banner-system/msg529619/#msg529619)) statement way before the forum censor. So don't think for a second he was trolling. He is dead serious with this crap. Probably now just too afraid to pull through cuz he might actually be muted or banned for this shit.

Yes, I'm scared shitless of being muted/banned now that I don't play anymore and have given my looms away, as opposed to a year ago when I did play. Anyone with any kind of common sense would also see that my statement in that thread is completely out of the blue and not followed up by me with any kind of explanations/reasons. You got mad though, so mission success then too.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Kafein on May 10, 2013, 10:51:28 pm
I gotta admit, most successful trolling on this forum ever. Although the holocaust is quite an easy topic to get serious people ?
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Post by: Xant on May 10, 2013, 10:57:26 pm
I gotta admit, most successful trolling on this forum ever. Although the holocaust is quite an easy topic to get serious people ?
Note that I'm not the one who brought up the Holocaust. Benkei did, even though it's completely unrelated to anything. Trolling idjuts who wanted to make a big deal out of it even though I wasn't even talking about it is amusing though.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Molly on May 10, 2013, 11:38:46 pm
So... you consider "Nazis didn't do genocide." has nothing to do with the Holocaust - I brought that up?

And the Holocaust is fine to be used for "amusement"?

Well, you're still an asshole either way. Prick.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Xant on May 10, 2013, 11:42:05 pm
So... you consider "Nazis didn't do genocide." has nothing to do with the Holocaust - I brought that up?

And the Holocaust is fine to be used for "amusement"?

Well, you're still an asshole either way. Prick.

There, there.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Berserkadin on May 11, 2013, 01:25:44 pm
Well he never said naz1, he said chocolate chip cookies. I don't believe cookies killed 6 million people, have you ever seen cookies walk, talk and shoot guns?
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Casimir on May 11, 2013, 01:28:31 pm
So now we can all go around saying we love chocolate chip cookies and no one has any reason to be confused or offended. Sweet.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Xant on May 11, 2013, 03:23:45 pm
The real problem was being able to stick it out, to sit in an office under the orders of a wee man in a dark gray suit and look out of the window and recall the bush country, the waving palms, the smell of sweat and cordite, the grunts of men hauling the jeeps over the river crossings, the copper-tasting fears just before the attack, and the wild cruel joy of being alive afterward. To remember, and then to go back to the ledgers and the commuter train, that was what was impossible. He knew he would eat his heart out if it ever came to that. For Africa bites like a tse-tse fly, and once the drug is in the blood it can never be wholly exorcized.
Title: Re: Bar fights tips:
Post by: Henry_Broodsonson on May 11, 2013, 03:58:44 pm
NI FUICKING BILLIVE