Instead of all this, be a negotiator.
Doesn't work in Eastern Europe
Pffffffff, punching people is for pussies and poor people, i always carry a taser and bearspray with me when i go out, you never know when it might kick off ..
Doesn't work in Eastern Europethem silly western liberal pacifists =)
Doesn't work in Eastern Europe^ after a bottle of famous grouse shit goes down or it doesnt, simple as that, everyone will have forgotten the reason behind it anyways the next day huehue :mrgreen:
^ after a bottle of famous grouse shit goes down or it doesnt, simple as that, everyone will have forgotten the reason behind it anyways the next day huehue :mrgreen:
SLAVERY!MOST. RANDOM. REPLY. EVER.
LET MY PEOPLE GO!
This isn't some preppy college boy frat party. I don't know what kind of a "bar" you've been around, but these are real bars with real dangerous men who will gut you like a pig if you look at them crossways. Criminals who've been to jail and don't mind if they go back. I don't give a shit what you think about it. You go play patty cake and you end up dead. You want obituaries? Yes, for the record, I've been to prison. I'm also still alive where other aren't.
You are the one in love with Hollywood theory. I live in the real, dangerous world where you die if you wait until you're ass is in trouble. You think you hash out rules before a bar fight? There are no rules. There is no philosophical discussion like this one. You fuck, or you get fucked.
I would stay out of bars where fights are likely to break out if I were you. Most especially, don't get into people's faces talking violence with that attitude.
i lol in your general direction
Right back at you :lol:
The guy you are imagining will be threatening you:
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The guy who actually is telling you he will break your arms and legs and put you in a wheelchair:
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I tend to avoid both, like most rational people...
It is, also i don't have pricks smashing their forehead into my nose for 'getting in their face'.
You fuck, or you get fucked.
both of you, the sooner you appreciate that the better.
Is it me or that kind of world view is recurrent among vocal archers of this community ? You sound a lot like BlindGuy right now, rumblood
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I would stay out of bars where fights are likely to break out if i were anybody. Don't get into people's faces.
You are shooting pool with your buddies. Guy comes by one of the tables your drinks are sitting on. Sets down an empty beer bottle. Picks up your full beer and starts drinking it. You (with a look of incredulity on your face): "Hey man, that's my beer." Him: Suddenly angry and in your face. "You calling me a thief? Mother fucker I'll cut your fucking ass!" He reaches back into his back pocket.
What are you doing Mr. Pacifist? Let me guess. You raise both hands and start backing away saying "Hey man, I don't want any trouble, what the fuck?" Right?
Yeah. That's exactly what Marcus did. He still can't use his hand properly after the guy brought the knife out anyhow and slashed one of those raised open hands through the tendons and to the bone.
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Naw, i guess we just don't live where you do. Fuckin' eurotrash, right?(click to show/hide)
Rumblood, what were you in jail for? Stole a judo suit?
Rumblood has just taught us a life lesson. Cookies for him.Lesson learnt:
He's the one who's been stealing all the sweetrolls :!:(click to show/hide)
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Rumblood, what were you in jail for? Stole a judo suit?
Never used the term in my life. You've got quite a bit of built of pent up Euro guilt have you? People in glass houses and all that. :idea:
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This isn't some preppy college boy frat party. I don't know what kind of a "bar" you've been around, but these are real bars with real dangerous men who will gut you like a pig if you look at them crossways. Criminals who've been to jail and don't mind if they go back. I don't give a shit what you think about it. You go play patty cake and you end up dead. You want obituaries? Yes, for the record, I've been to prison. I'm also still alive where other aren't.
You are the one in love with Hollywood theory. I live in the real, dangerous world where you die if you wait until you're ass is in trouble. You think you hash out rules before a bar fight? There are no rules. There is no philosophical discussion like this one. You fuck, or you get fucked.
I would stay out of bars where fights are likely to break out if I were you. Most especially, don't get into people's faces talking violence with that attitude.
Never used the term in my life. You've got quite a bit of built of pent up Euro guilt have you? People in glass houses and all that. :idea:(click to show/hide)
can't say it will lol, 2 guys still looking for me, one for being with his woman, second for calling him an ugly fuck (people want to fight over any minor shit here D:)3 months late but hey, better late then never! And I feel you bro, here you can't even look at people and theyre already itching to fight im not a fighter myself but when shit goes down I stand my ground, allthough i rather avoid it, sometimes you just gotta do what has to be done! I cant count the times on 2 hands i got arrested because some fool and his 5 friends started acting up to me when I was alone and got what he was askin for, but it always ends up with me being taken and the aggrevators qq'ing somewhere, not worth it imo.
actually 3 guys, the third one thinks I was with his woman, but I wasn't(click to show/hide)
Seriously, the old one-two still works best. As soon as someone starts pushing you with his hands, fake a left low punch (or right if that's your jab hand) then uppercut the other fist in his face. You can also try a side hook, but since he will instinctively bend over because of the fake low punch, you might miss it. The side hook is more effective, though, and might be necessary if the dude is a brawler. But most people don't continue once you've broken their nose/teeth/jaw, so the uppercut is usually good enough.
Oh, and don't help the guy up, but also don't hit him when he's down. It won't be self defense anymore, if you do.
Sorry pal, but a push is an aggressive move, you don't push people if you don't want to fight. And yes, in court, it counts as self defense if you punch someone after he has pushed you. What matters is how you act AFTER the punch. If you go crazy and beat the shit out of the dude, it will be assault, but if you do nothing and let him be helped or get up on his own, it's self defense.And what are you supposed to do when he gets up angrily?
This statement always makes me lol. Now americans can also say "Hei! LOOK! EU had massmurder too, our gunpolicies dont suck so bad now do they?"
Breivik was a christian terrorist. Its not the same thing as the typical USA thing, where a dude looses his house, job, wife and out of temorary insanity picks up one of his 100 assultrifles he bought to protect his family at first and starts shooting up the neibhourhood. And EU definately does not have organised crime as bad as USA has. Shit there are gangs there that reach like 200 soldiers strong all with kevlar and shit..
Atleast our glasshouse doesnt have to be bulletproof. :lol:
What I can say on bar fights:
If you pick the right bars and behave correctly, the only people that will want to start fights are drunk fucks which are more likely to hurt themselves than to hurt you.
However, "He who searcheth trouble shall find it"
If you go into shabby shacks where most of the clients each have spent more years in prison than you even lived, then it´s no wonder you´ll get into dangerous fights.
Dad - shot 7 times - lived
Marcus - tendons in hand sliced by knife by some asshole
John - shot with a .22 - lived
Bart - hit in the head with a piece of steel - went in to a coma and never came out of it.
Tony - slashed across the gut with a knife - died
Danny - hit in the head with a bat - cracked his skull from front to back - lived but mentally retarded
Will - shot in the head - lost his eye but lived
Yeah, all of those guys were looking for some adventure probably :rolleyes:
When you are being threatened, you can take it seriously, or you can be a victim that your family can mourn.
Buff punch
And what are you supposed to do when he gets up angrily?
Sorry pal, but a push is an aggressive move, you don't push people if you don't want to fight. And yes, in court, it counts as self defense if you punch someone after he has pushed you. What matters is how you act AFTER the punch. If you go crazy and beat the shit out of the dude, it will be assault, but if you do nothing and let him be helped or get up on his own, it's self defense.
Way to completely miss the point.
Move to Texas and then wear .45 in a holster openly so that everyone sees. No one will pick a fight with you unless they have gun as well. But then, you wouldn't be in a bar fight, you would be in a bar gun fight. Win win.
In England we reserve all our violent and primal urges for when we really need it, out there on the cricket field.
"Bar fight tips" also include NOT to smash your head into the nose of everyone talking shit to you.
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I've gotten into fights and i regret it.
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"Bar fight tips" also include NOT to smash your head into the nose of everyone talking shit to you.
I was trying to make light of an otherwise retardedly 'Listen-to-how-manly-i-am-over-the-internet' style thread. I don't usually mind a debate on forums, never worth getting heated over, but your confrontational and obnoxious manner may explain why you get started on so often, fights aren't as common as you say, they must just think you're a prick.
I learned from getting my ass whipped a couple times before that not to fight. Just end it quickly and leave. Don't stick around. If you don't see the opportunity to end it before it begins, then don't get into a fight at all. Yes, there could have been more than a few scraps, but those were when I knew to simply eat my pride and leave because I would have been fucked up bad. You better be really sure you can end it too. I simply got lucky both times.
Do not get into bar fights
Do not get into bar fights
No, it includes not talking shit to someone who is going to put their forehead through your nose. Sit your ass in your chair and stay out of other people's faces.
Now seriously, if someone steals my beer while I'm playing pool, I will likely ask why, then offer it anyway. Is a beer really worth anything to you ? The idiot is probably trying to prove that he can, anyway.
Not like this ever actually happened to me, but this seems like the reasonable thing to do. Also look at the guy like the piece of turd he is, which is less reasonable.
Is a beer really worth anything to you ?
Throwing a punch cos a mate needs you is a different story, but wounded pride and personal insecurity are never a good excuse.
it's easy: don't be a fucking prick and you won't have to block someone's forehead with your nose.
Never been a doormat, never had to to raise my fists for my own selfish pride in 5 years. Them being a prick and chatting shit and getting in your face doesn't justify you taking things up another notch
maybe when you're 17 and trying to act like a big man you think it's necessary- i sure as hell did. But then some day you give a guy a black eye without hesitating just for chatting shit when he's drunk (like so many of us do), a guy who's usually a mate or even your brother, and you realise you're the biggest prick in the world.I'm very sad to hear that's what you've done. Some of us are in control of ourselves, though, and actually capable of assessing the situation. Why would you deck your friend or your brother for talking shit? If it really bothers you, you should mayhaps just not keep in touch with them. Only do what you're happy to live with.
wounded pride and personal insecurity are never a good excuse.Responding with violence against someone shoving and threatening you isn't "wounded pride and personal insecurity." Not only are you allowed to legally defend yourself at that point, that guy deserves a beating for intentionally trying to ruin your good time by being a real Richard-head.
I think you've had to that a lot... :wink:Actually no, unfortunately.
Well, buddy, some people don't want to be doormats. If it's okay for anyone to just walk in and steal your beer and you're alright with it, that's cool. Expect to be walked over a lot.
Kicked out after I denounced him for cheating on me.
It is wounded pride and insecurity. I'm in perfect control now as a result. But you've emphasised the point, what's the difference between a guy you know and normally like becoming an ass when drunk and a total stranger? As you say 'that guy deserves a beating for intentionally trying to ruin your good time', you didnt say it's only ok if it's a stranger, yet you clearly have standards beyond what you've said because you judge me for my assholish action. You've made clear that attacking a guy you know in those circumstances is a shitty thing to do, but at the same time you say 'If someone chooses to act like an asshole, then in my eyes they deserve whatever's coming their way', all i did was the logical next step of 'not taking any shit' on a night out when i was a young idiot, and it opened my eyes to the fact that there really isn't much difference.When you're drunk you reveal what you're trying to hide while sober. I don't have buddies who become asses when drunk. I don't call dickheads "buddies", see, that's the difference.
I dunno, maybe it is a cultural difference, if you genuinely can't see why slugging a guy for provoking you is wrong then i'm just wasting my words. Maybe it is just considered 'right' in your country, and i can't judge.
Do you mean what i think you mean?
Culture permeates attitudes and behaviours far more than you appreciate. Look at any basic psychology book and it will tell you that.
Yes, it's the biggest influence for most people, and those people are sheeple. Like I said, culture has shit all to do with my choices and beliefs.
Self assessment is in no way valid or scientific. You can believe you make your choices without any outside influence, you will be mistaken.You're entitled to your opinion, of course, however wrong it may be.
You're entitled to your opinion, of course, however wrong it may be.Same goes for you.
Same goes for you.
I don't call dickheads "buddies":cry:
Sorry, we got onto the culture-agency debate, i win, it's my subject.Nope, my subject, I win. Whew, that was easy!
Unfortunately if you want to pursue an internet bitch-fight in this field i can physically counter any half-baked unsubstantiated musings with the prominent authors and dates of their publications on the subject lol. Your lack of self assessment and firm belief in a concept that is provably wrong in academic terms (total agency where culture is not a factor) reflects badly on the rest of your argument because it reveals your lack of objective self-evaluation in general, and makes abundantly clear that everything you've said up to this point has been 100% opinion with no objective fact.Yada yada yada. I see nothing relevant. I can make similar claims just as easily. Therefore, I'll just say "nope."
Casimir is dead right about culture, and before you say that's just my opinion or his i can prove we aren't bullshitting. My area of knowledge i'm afraid, i can include a bibliography (overkill) if you truly want to read up in regards to modern scholars perceptions of the pervasiveness of our culture in all things we do, but you won't bother to check it. However you may want to read up on Foucault and 'social discourse' and 'agency', and also Bourdieu and the role of 'habitus' in a society, a simple Wiki search will prove i'm not talking out of my ass. I wouldn't advise pursuing this debate any further lol. The internet is a minefield, you never know when you'll stumble into someone's subject area by mistake lol, i've seen on previous threads that Casimir knows his shit about sociology too.Cool, provide some quotes that prove me wrong then. As something of an authority on myself, I believe this here discussion is something of a "subject area" of mine, not yours.
Sorry, we got onto the culture-agency debate, i win, it's my subject. Unfortunately if you want to pursue an internet bitch-fight in this field i can physically counter any half-baked unsubstantiated musings with the prominent authors and dates of their publications on the subject lol. Your lack of self assessment and firm belief in a concept that is provably wrong in academic terms (total agency where culture is not a factor) reflects badly on the rest of your argument because it reveals your lack of objective self-evaluation in general, and makes abundantly clear that everything you've said up to this point has been 100% opinion with no objective fact.
Casimir is dead right about culture, and before you say that's just my opinion or his i can prove we aren't bullshitting. My area of knowledge i'm afraid, i can include a bibliography (overkill) if you truly want to read up in regards to modern scholars perceptions of the pervasiveness of our culture in all things we do, but you won't bother to check it. However you may want to read up on Foucault and 'social discourse' and 'agency', and also Bourdieu and the role of 'habitus' in a society, a simple Wiki search will prove i'm not talking out of my ass. I wouldn't advise pursuing this debate any further lol. The internet is a minefield, you never know when you'll stumble into someone's subject area by mistake lol, i've seen on previous threads that Casimir knows his shit about sociology too.
It seems a bit strange that an expert on sociology would assume outside influences have equally strong effects on all human beings.Even stranger that an expert on sociology would initiate the conversation by implying that I have the views I have because of where I live and because it's considered "Right" here -- and then when I deny that, he goes on to talk about human culture as a whole and how it affects people. Two entirely unrelated things and just proves that he doesn't know what he's talking about.
Nothing relevant, only names of prominent theorists and their ideologies on this exact subject :/Yes, you name dropped. Impressive. Not. I'm not going to read the works of those people, so you're going to have to quote their exact words if you want it to be relevant.
That's funny, because I was doing it to show you just how ridiculous it is. You're the one doing it. I mean, shit, you even start one of your posts with "I win."
Loving the maturity of your 'i'm right cos i say i am' attitude, puts your argument into perspective for everyone. Arguing with a brick wall gets tedious after some time
Yawn. I'm not going to read boring-ass books by people I don't care about just because a random nerd on the Internets tell me to do so. Or how about I do it after you read five books I tell you to read? I don't disagree with that concept per se, but it only works when talking generally. If the author you're loosely quoting claims something else, he's full of shit. But hey, like I said. You're free to, you know, actually quote these things you claim back you up, instead of telling me to "Google it."
If you distort and misunderstand my argument by refusing to type 'social discourse' or 'habitus' into google then yes, you can pretend i'm wrong. The concept is not that everyone within a culture is the same, but all opinions and veiwpoints within a culture are the product of your culture- eg. rebellious teens dress and act and listen to different music to others, yet they do so in a standardised way that conforms with each other, as such their behavior is defined by their culture. If you misunderstand the concept that isn't my fault, you can claim i'm 'provably wrong' without facts, but to actually do so you'd need to disprove the entire modern study of anthropology that is based on the concept i have expressed.
Search Marcel Mauss, Bourdieu or Foucault, they're founding fathers of modern anthropology, the Wiki pages are a bit thin but explain their concepts in a relatively accessible way. Anyone who reads this thread can see i've provided facts and current social theory that they can search to verify, they can see the maturity of your argument (if you can't win, troll), i don't think i need to say anything more.You have provided zero facts. Zero social theory. All you've done is name dropped and told me to do research. I refer to my earlier offer to you.
Well where I live it's quite normal for people to be dickheads even when they aren't drunk and it's quite normal to punch dickheads when you're not drunk, it's the culture of my town.
Says it all doesn't it. My 'name dropping' is called referencing, it's what people do when they back up an argument. The fact you can't be bothered to scan a brief Wiki page to see that i'm infact speaking current academic fact is hardly my fault. It's like me claiming the world is flat, telling everyone else it's their opinion when they tell me otherwise then yawning when i get redirected to all the facts that prove me wrong, that's some real good reasoning.
I provided facts and social theory, you can't refute that since you werent bothered to check, anyone else here can check what i've said by googling the names i listed. Laziness and arrogance aren't legit counters to facts.
Didn't mention Strauss xD and yeah, they're a particular sect, and i wouldn't agree with them in every instance, but their theories on social discourse are hugely influential today and widely used and accepted in psychology and other more scientific disciplines. Tbh, i don't mind what conclusions you draw as long as you can back them up with knowledge like you've just done, not pigheaded dismissal.
Xant just from our little arguement you could have easily deduced that the people he is referencing are well known sociologists(/philosophers) and that their arguement has something to do with how environment shapes practically everything about a person. You don't need to read a book to get the gist of it, you can have it easily just from this thread.
Sounds like a fantasy to me. I'm quite certain you just dream about this happening. After all, anything you couldn't do yourself must be in your imagination :lol:
You should stick to writing fictional stories about how you dropped a guy with a Judo Chop as he was going to throw a punch, they are funnier.
What is so hard to believe about a judo chop? It might be a funny name, but it's just a strike to the jugular, which is quite effective (and dangerous). It's actually pretty easy to do on an unprepared opponent, and also hard to see coming.
A better idea would have been a liver punch (if he was showing his right side), because that's also an almost guaranteed knockout, but much less dangerous than a strike to the throat. Most wannabe brawlers also assume a movie-like stance where they leave their body almost completely unprotected, so that it's easy to put a left hook in under their defense. The problem is mostly that they also turn too much, so that you usually see their left side only. But then you can hit their solar plexus with a left hook, which works almost as good, if they aren't obese or very well trained and you don't hit too high or low.
I learned from getting my ass whipped a couple times before that not to fight. Just end it quickly and leave. Don't stick around. If you don't see the opportunity to end it before it begins, then don't get into a fight at all. Yes, there could have been more than a few scraps, but those were when I knew to simply eat my pride and leave because I would have been fucked up bad. You better be really sure you can end it too. I simply got lucky both times.
This whole argument is bullshit. The environment shapes human beings, NO SHIT. It still doesn't mean that every human is as strongly affected by this shaping, and if you really believe there are no cases that don't seem to be shaped very much at all, you should probably visit different parts of town once in a while.
Chocolate chip cookies never killed nobody, man.Funny you. Telling others to amuse you, while you are the real comedian.
Edit: Well okay, they might've killed somebody, but I'm pretty sure they're not guilty of genocide.
Oops I read Marcel Mauss as Levi-Strauss for some reason. And just to nitpick again, none of their works are used in any scientific discipline as far as I know. Psychology is not a scientific discipline, no more than sociology is. They have had a huge impact on the humanities, that's for sure though.
You are right about the statistic stuff.
But even what you call almost not at all shaped is heavily shaped. Sure people may not hold the views upheld as normative by the "leading fraction" of their peers/state/culture. But when growing up people take up a set of core believes and habits, pattern recognition and problem solving, etc. (*) that - assuming that they have an internal logic - will shape what they believe. There's also statistically some who do differ to others here, but they either become institutionalized or great mathematicians. Sometimes both.
That is what is meant with shaped - I assume you understood it more directly (on of those cultural habits is, unfortunately, never to clarify statements with several meanings in an argument). Still that doesn't mean "everything" or that we could make silly laws about culture -> action, but outright denying that you are influenced makes you look like you are unable to reflect about those things.
(*) Arguably a lot of that is genetically hardwired or something. Still makes little difference - you are still influenced by your parents.
Why nobody told me there was major drama up in this bitch yo!
I don't want to read all of Xants 1st world patronising bullcrap, so could somebody please say what is the fuss about in a sentence or two.
Danke chaps!
http://forum.meleegaming.com/general-discussion/wtf-why-is-the-ussr-flag-in-the-banner-system/msg529619/#msg529619 (http://forum.meleegaming.com/general-discussion/wtf-why-is-the-ussr-flag-in-the-banner-system/msg529619/#msg529619)that thread :o
Chocolate chip cookies never killed nobody, man.
Edit: Well okay, they might've killed somebody, but I'm pretty sure they're not guilty of genocide.
(*) Arguably a lot of that is genetically hardwired or something. Still makes little difference - you are still influenced by your parents.
Not to mention the logistics of killing off 6 million people while your country is fighting a war on two fronts. The math doesn't add up.
There is no real evidence that during ww2 gas chambers were used to kill millions of people in chocolate chip cookie concentration camps.
Robert Faurisson: The gas chambers problem
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Xant is an idiot, Rumblood a sociopath and Kafein a probable quare, good thread.
Not to mention the logistics of killing off 6 million people while your country is fighting a war on two fronts. The math doesn't add up.
Xant is an idiot, Rumblood a sociopath and Kafein a probable quare, good thread.
Yeah, the sheeple who aren't capable of individual thought and analyzing information by themselves do tend to think of the smart people as idiots. It's half defense mechanism, half plain ol' ignorance.
May I ask you what left you with this impression of me, old chap ?
Wouldn't I be fond of social sciences if I was a quare ?
Kicked out after I denounced him for cheating on me.
Why is it that this sounds so familiar to me?
Oh, right.Every second Evil mastermind in the movies says something like this.
Coincidence?I think not. :D
Think he was talking about this kafein ;)
Sorry to break your bubble, they are usually right. Most people don't want to realise how stupid they may be.
There is no real evidence that during ww2 gas chambers were used to kill millions of people in chocolate chip cookie concentration camps.
Robert Faurisson: The gas chambers problem
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Generalizing people as "sheeple" that are not capable of individual thoughts testifys of enormous arrogance.
Generalizing people as "sheeple" that are not capable of individual thoughts testifys of enormous arrogance.
It is also mostly used by people that want to justify their idiotic beliefs.
"Ohmygawd people are so stoopid cuz nobody believes in "insert random terribly retarded opinion here" , and they only call me idiot for voicing that opinion because they have no self-reflection and cant think individual thoughts at all!!!11"
Generalizing people as "sheeple" that are not capable of individual thoughts testifys of enormous arrogance.
It is also mostly used by people that want to justify their idiotic beliefs.
"Ohmygawd people are so stoopid cuz nobody believes in "insert random terribly retarded opinion here" , and they only call me idiot for voicing that opinion because they have no self-reflection and cant think individual thoughts at all!!!11"
Xant, what are your sources for your assertions? Don't tell me to read a book by some ridiculous crackpot, give me actual sources, that contradict literally every single historical analysis of WW2 (based on the hundreds, thousands of government records recovered at the end of the war. The chocolate chip cookies were methodical in documenting everything).What assertions, exactly? Think carefully about what I've actually said, instead of your assumptions of what I've said.
What assertions, exactly? Think carefully about what I've actually said, instead of your assumptions of what I've said.
Also: "Extermination camp research is difficult because of extensive attempts by the SS and chocolate chip cookie regime to conceal the existence of the extermination camps. As a result of Sonderaktion 1005, camps were dismantled, records destroyed, and mass graves were dug up. Furthermore, extermination camps that remained uncleared were liberated by Soviet troops, who had different standards of documentation and openness than the Western allies."
Shirer's The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich goes into the literally tens of thousands of documents recovered during the "conquest" of Germany. No matter how hard they tried to conceal the existence of extermination camps, the SS obviously failed. And this is an old analysis, not even taking into account the treasure trove of other documents discovered since. There is no difficulty whatsoever in establishing their existence, unless you're willfully ignoring the evidence. The research is self-explanatory. What is your source for that statement? Googling your quote brings up literally one site, that completely agrees with my perspective to boot.
I would also like to know how he counters the existence of photos of liberated concentration camps and it´s inhabitants AND all the first-hand stories by these inhabitants?
And please dont tell me they have been a giant lie and the USA hired thousands of anorexic actors to play the inmates of these camps to pose for the pictures AND of course made every jew living in the euro-zone tell a completely untrue story.
I almost refuse to believe somebody could be that retarded to thing the holocaust didnt happen.
Nobody is denying the existence of concentration camps.
Nobody is denying the existence of concentration camps.
So what is it exactly you are denying?You said chocolate chip cookies didnt do genocide, but how is it even possible for you to believe that?What I said still stands - Thousands of eyewitnesses, all deliberately LYING?I can´t believe you would think that.
...any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
— Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, Article II
Xant, the burden of proof is on your side. Don't try your "doubt" jedi mind tricks on us.
Xant, you are a total retard that has absolutely no idea about history. The holocaust is a historical fact. I am a history student and I have spent lots of time on this topic. There is no doubt that it did happen. There are ten thousands of sources and eyewitness reports which confirm it's existence (and yes, I have seen a lot of them). Killing 6 Million people is not possible regarding the logistics? Have you ever heard of Eichmann and the genocide on the hungarian jews? Over 450.000 of them were murdered between May 1944 (when Germany basically already had lost the war) and the fall of Hungary. At the end of the war the chocolate chip cookies even stopped trains with important war material to send more jews to the concentration camps. At this point killing all european jews was more important for them than trying to win the war.
What you claim here is just pure bullshit based on zero evidence.
Cookies cant commit genocide silly noobs, they are just biscuits.
Why are you even arguing with this little piece of shit?
Others got muted instantly for saying "Palestinians didn't do everything wrong" but Xant can deny the Holocaust for pages w/o any mod giving a shit.
He's the same asshole as this DragonLeader character. Only difference is the grammar - same brown attitude, just a bit more sophisticated.
I'll also give you 50 dollas if you can show me where I deny the Holocaust.
Chocolate chip cookies never killed nobody, man.
Edit: Well okay, they might've killed somebody, but I'm pretty sure they're not guilty of genocide.
http://forum.meleegaming.com/general-discussion/wtf-why-is-the-ussr-flag-in-the-banner-system/msg529619/#msg529619 (http://forum.meleegaming.com/general-discussion/wtf-why-is-the-ussr-flag-in-the-banner-system/msg529619/#msg529619)
"chocolate chip cookies didn't do genocide."
:rolleyes:
Yes, well, I'd be very surprised if it turns out chocolate chip cookies were responsible for the Holocaust.
Not funny at all. Just shows again what a retard you are.
Humor is in the eye of the beholder, my good friend.
Your other posts regarding this topic show that it is not about humor. It is just a lame excuse.
Yes, well, I'd be very surprised if it turns out chocolate chip cookies were responsible for the Holocaust.
Then who the hell was responsible?Nazis, by all accounts.
Nazis, by all accounts.
Oh, nice edit. Better to realize your stupidity late than never.
"chocolate chip cookies didn't do genocide."
"Yes, well, I'd be very surprised if it turns out chocolate chip cookies were responsible for the Holocaust. "
"Chocolate chip cookies never killed nobody, man.
Edit: Well okay, they might've killed somebody, but I'm pretty sure they're not guilty of genocide."
I suppose there are better places than this forum to discuss the holocaust.
Also einstein pushed Roosevelt to research the atom bomb.
He made this (http://forum.meleegaming.com/general-discussion/wtf-why-is-the-ussr-flag-in-the-banner-system/msg529619/#msg529619 (http://forum.meleegaming.com/general-discussion/wtf-why-is-the-ussr-flag-in-the-banner-system/msg529619/#msg529619)) statement way before the forum censor. So don't think for a second he was trolling. He is dead serious with this crap. Probably now just too afraid to pull through cuz he might actually be muted or banned for this shit.
I gotta admit, most successful trolling on this forum ever. Although the holocaust is quite an easy topic to get serious people ?Note that I'm not the one who brought up the Holocaust. Benkei did, even though it's completely unrelated to anything. Trolling idjuts who wanted to make a big deal out of it even though I wasn't even talking about it is amusing though.
So... you consider "Nazis didn't do genocide." has nothing to do with the Holocaust - I brought that up?
And the Holocaust is fine to be used for "amusement"?
Well, you're still an asshole either way. Prick.