Daily EU drama thread
Remove banner balance and include class balance instead.
Only solution.
You cant force GK to split in two. On other days there might be another clan winning a round after another.
You cant force them to not play cav either. That's not fair after all.
--> simple QQ thread. done.
Remove banner balance and include class balance instead.
Only solution.
You cant force GK to split in two. On other days there might be another clan winning a round after another.
You cant force them to not play cav either. That's not fair after all.
--> simple QQ thread. done.
Unlike all other clans that accept all classes, GK, accepts ONLY cav (except Leshma but he's special).
thank you thank you , ill be signing autographs.You're like one of the 100 generic GKs no one knows who are.
Long time ago Lactose_the_Intolerant here,
he was hitchhikin' down a long and lonesome road.
All of a sudden, there shined a shiny thread... in the middle... of the forum.
And the thread said;
"Fuck this GK cav clan out of the world, or I'll GTX."
And he typed the first thing that came to his head,
Just so happened to be,
The Best Thread in the World, it was The Best Thread in the World.
Look into his eyes and it's easy to see
One and one make two, two and one make three,
It was destiny.
Once every hundred-thousand years or so,
When the sun doth shine and the moon doth glow
And the cav doth grow...
Needless to say, the forum was stunned.
Dramadrama went his whoopy tail,
And the forum was done.
They asked him "Be you a woman?"
And he said, "Nay. I am but raging."
Cav!
Ahhh, ahhh, ahhh-ah-ah,
Ohhh, whoah, ah-whoah-oh!
Hello all.
I will start by a short disclaimer stating that this is not a whine thread. It is purely here to point a problem that even a 7 years old kid could notice. I have to do this because sadly there are many arrogant people that, when we put them in front of a truth just go : "lol newb, stop QQ"
Siege ftw.
izdo, it is very fine taking throwing, i believe you'v seen my throwing equipment on the battlefield. And trust me, 6 jarids and a throwing lance is really not enough to defend but myself.
Yeah, I did saw it. If there would be more ppl with decent cav awareness and decent equipment, cav wouldn't stand chance..
Congratz GK, seems like you killed EU1 this evening! :lol:Hell, at least you have siege server...
Siege ftw.
im sure a few of us GK's will be reforming our alt hoplite clan soon.ok lets have your hoplite guys vs the GK guys! 8-)
We shall put a link to this thread as "GK in the media" in our main forum page.
GK are good people.-1
- Make lances break on first or second couch (cmp fix magic).
- Make unarmoured horses take damage when bumping people above a certain speed.
- Adjust manoeuvrability on most horses - especially Arabian.
Pike, Long Spear. Problem Solved :D
- Make lances break on first or second couch (cmp fix magic).
- Make unarmoured horses take damage when bumping people above a certain speed.
- Adjust manoeuvrability on most horses - especially Arabian.
1. Heav lances were designed to not break, even great lances. This was only for jousting tournaments to reduce the impact and even to make the impact more effectful. However, that's realism and not balance.probably true but realism is no argument here, or tell me how you get the lance out of the dead body without unmounting :P
- Make lances break on first or second couch (cmp fix magic).
- Make unarmoured horses take damage when bumping people above a certain speed.
- Adjust manoeuvrability on most horses - especially Arabian.
GK are good people.
You'll forever be Kapikulu anyway.... speaks the
1.( Try HA for once :wink: )1.Try HT for once :wink:
2.we generally suck balls on town/city maps
Sure people who coop with enemy are good people ...!
Seen yesterday, ignore your enemy (own clan member) if he stay 1 meter away and no other enemy is around.
really nice people ....
That's a common thing in cRPG.Quite the opposite what we do in Fallen. We hunt especially each other if we are on different teams :DDD. I attack damn everyone in the opposing team, no matter who it is. But who am I to judge if someone picks their fights by some strange standards...
Pike, Long Spear. Problem Solved :D
Anyway, regarding the op. I don't think cavalry is overpowered, and I don't think it's any problem with the banner balance and having the majority of one class on one team.
You can still if you play well and try to organize the team. It won't work all the time, but once you get an urban map then the GK team will have a real problem getting multipliers at all. I don't see anyone complaining about that though, when they're able to steamroll the other team who consists mostly of cavalry who's obviously a bit weaker on the ground.
A full GK stack will probably win most of the time on very open maps like ruins and the open deserts etc. but there's also urban/city maps in the rotation, don't forget. They pay for their efficiency on open maps by dedicating themselves to being cavalry, but it also brings that bad part, they'll have difficulties when the maps are less favourable.
...once you get an urban map then the GK team will have a real problem getting multipliers at all. I don't see anyone complaining about that though...
The prob is that cav is overpowered. As the original poster points out cav is the cheapest "hybrid" to pick up. Out of 89 skill/attribute points a lvl 30 char has to distribute, it costs 5 and zero WPF. This is way cheaper then picking up 2 melee skills, or a ranged ability.
So not only is it very cheap, but it's a huge power enhancer. You gain massive mobility increase, cav bumping knockdown ability, and fight on horse while it takes damage, then when it comes down you fight on as infantry with 94% of pure infantry potential.
Quite the opposite what we do in Fallen. We hunt especially each other if we are on different teams :DDD. I attack damn everyone in the opposing team, no matter who it is. But who am I to judge if someone picks their fights by some strange standards...Few things are more satisfying in this game then killing your own clanmate :twisted:
Useless comment. You can't expect people to change their class, otherwise it would be completely unreasonable to offer other equipment and skills to choose from on the website.
Horseman myself:Fixed.
>> join EU1
>> check scoreboard
>>2040 GK on enemy team
>> play something else
Fixed.
Quite the opposite what we do in Fallen. We hunt especially each other if we are on different teams :DDD. I attack damn everyone in the opposing team, no matter who it is. But who am I to judge if someone picks their fights by some strange standards...
EU1 dominated by GK.lolno.
EU2 dominated by Grey & HRE.
EU4 dominated by archers.
Nothing you can do about it. Strength in numbers.
Taking second biggest banner block might soften the blow on EU1 and EU2, but good luck doing that without having to go trough tedious clan initiation and pledging.
Cav limit to teams should fix the problem.. or equal balance
save the eu1, it will have less players then DTV if this ranged thing continues..fix'd
all in all, the team with more ranged and/or cav can produce constant pressure on the enemy...
thank you thank you , ill be signing autographs.
this is so much to the point that ill go ahead and quote it.
it explains paranoia, distraction, unease and the breaking up of team play and formation at some point.
this is the case with a hand full of your HAs especially ("untouchable"), and together with them melee cav. thanks to this hand full, the enemy is so distracted that lesser skilled cav also have an easier job, no matter what class.
A full GK stack will probably win most of the time on very open maps like ruins and the open deserts etc. but there's also urban/city maps in the rotation, don't forget. They pay for their efficiency on open maps by dedicating themselves to being cavalry, but it also brings that bad part, they'll have difficulties when the maps are less favourable.
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lactose is not pointing fingers and raging about you, but saying that because of banner balance, it happens that a clan heavy on one class disrupts the highly banner dependent distribution of classes amongst teams. this thread, although appearing at first as so, is not about you.
what do you do against the HA's ?!
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There have been many incidents where we failed to win on open maps, because enemy team had no afks and peasants in spawn to gankrape from horseback like we all love to do in our clan.
Just be happy that most gk are mediocre cav, they are annoying on mass but most of the cav players i really feared dont play much and are spread across the clans, its not like your facing leed tommy torben tuonela etc on the same team everyday :-P
Fixed it for you, free of charge man, thats one you owe me.Oh c'mon are you telling me that enemy team wins by the help of peasants and afk guys? What happened to your input for your team dude :D
I do not know how they are supposed to fix this balance thing though, because I reckon many people want to keep the clan banner balance. But I guess there is a solution to be found.
Also ranged being stacked should be fixed.
Just be happy that most gk are mediocre cav, they are annoying on mass but most of the cav players i really feared dont play much and are spread across the clans, its not like your facing leed tommy torben tuonela etc on the same team everyday :-P
1. Heav lances were designed to not break, even great lances. This was only for jousting tournaments to reduce the impact and even to make the impact more effectful. However, that's realism and not balance.
2. Agreed.
3. I assume in the nerf direction, in which case only the Arabian. Others are fine.
a class balance would be better, so if there are 30 cav on one team they get split so its 15 on both teams, and what banner they have should have no effect on what side they go on because when one team has the clan that's stacking one team its never fun if the other team only has random people regardless of what clan is on the other. I don't really have a problem with GK's because
1. I'm a former GK ^^
2. I hardly play on EU_1 I play on smaller servers
3. I don't enjoy cRPG much anymore so I hardly play anymore :P
I'm grateful you hardly play anymore, now if we could just change that hardly to never.
even if your a hoplite its hard to take down more then 1 cav when around 5 are charging you because even if you stop one, the time you do that the next one will bump you then they all have a stabbing frenzy at you then even IF you survive they just repeat the process.
With a big amount of ath you can dodge most cav as an inf, and while yes, even as a hoplite it's extremely hard to do well against a GK style gank of lancers then it is still mostly easier than to survive a gank of equal size from melee players.
Take away tommys fairy horse and his just a standard random cav player, Torben is better I guess but Id still fear the more unknown GK's more and tuonela.........isn't he like some guy from mercs or something? idk.
This is pure bs and just you being to retarded to realize that the arabian really isn't that great, that destrier my old friends like you get to take half a guys health away in one bump even if you suck to hard to hit whith the lance, and that both the destrier and the arabian ain't got enough maneuver to really dodge arrows that great, I highly doubt any of the best cav could dodge more that many arrows from a guy like blackbow as all you need is a tiny amount of enemy prediction, to be shooting at medium or less range, and to be using arrows/bolts and not throwing weapons along with a decent aim and most guys dodges won't mean shit, TomMyyY is by far one of the best cav players out there and he could easily rape you and half of GK and you on a fucking sumpter if need be.
4th: why does the enemy team have to play tactically, but the cav stack has only to ride around and stab? :?The main reason the GKs do well is in fact because they rely heavily on teamplay, one by one they gank every player in the enemy team, but first after quickly getting all the easy kills like bad archers, peasants, and afks at spawn... ...I recall countless times where I've hit a GK HA with a throwing lance only to have him W key as fast as he can out of there and quite a few GK HAs arriving to gank me, and if I hit any one of them, won't really change much unless I headshot, as they'll ride off as a slightly injured but still fully functional HA and another guy will arrive to shot at me.
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I was playing last night while this all happened, *snip*.. Last night as mentioned in the OP, the balance did however put all us GK's on the same team. Brilliant, I want to play together. It did also put maybe 3-4 other cav players on our team that I remember, most of whom weren't using a clan banner.
I forget how you suffer from a mental disability so I wont reply to your silly comments :)I forgot that you're somewhat of a retard and will just post something like the above when you can't make up an actual reply.
I recall countless times where I've hit a GK HA with a throwing lance only to have him W key as fast as he can out of there
nerf common senseI didn't state anything negative against it, just an example of GKs using teamwork and shit. (running is still gay though)
I dont want to hear the whine if someone creates a pure archer clan with only rusbow and bodkins. Or a piker clan or....
the archer clan would be a great great whine inducer... id actually like to see that : )I'd like to see that too tbh. Thing I like about cRPG is the 'Deadliest Warrior' style scenarios, and this would be one on a small army scale.
the archer clan would be a great great whine inducer... id actually like to see that : )
1st: telling people to change their class (take a shield/spear) is absolutely inacceptable
People were raging hard when the fallens brought out all their archer alts. I can just picture the rage if it indeed was a dedicated clan where all the members had loomed stuff. :lol:
Bringing a sidearm does not change your class, it just makes you more malleable to the situation. If you play rock and refuse to bring a tiny pair of scissors to help versus paper, then you shouldn't be whining when paper wraps around you and beats you.
I need 50 people to make an archer alt and play under the same banner! :mrgreen:Il join you.
Oh, and 25 HA's! :twisted:
Simple solution would be class balance. Put GK on one team and all the other cav on the other team, split up GK if necessary. Maybe you'd think it's unfair that GK doesn't get to play together, but it's not like they teamplay anyway. They are on average a bunch of killhungry hyena's, but then with 50 maneuver, the scum of the earth, evident from the amount of them at the enemy spawn within 30 seconds.
Apparently, we are an evil clan for some. I suggest them to open another topic like "GK-A" like AA and keep on whining there. I really wish this topic to come to a fair discussion ground, otherwise it is just becoming a fun topic for us.
And gentlemen, please before throwing poop at any other class, or claim it is easy mode, please try to play with it for a couple of weeks first. Otherwise you are just putting yourself in funny positions.
They are on average a bunch of killhungry hyena's, but then with 50 maneuver, the scum of the earth, evident from the amount of them at the enemy spawn within 30 seconds.
(Except Ninjas, cause ninjas can go fuck themselves for playing such a stupid class and then moaning it isnt good against cavalry :P)This.
Simple solution would be class balance. Put GK on one team and all the other cav on the other team, split up GK if necessary. Maybe you'd think it's unfair that GK doesn't get to play together, but it's not like they teamplay anyway. They are on average a bunch of killhungry hyena's, but then with 50 maneuver, the scum of the earth, evident from the amount of them at the enemy spawn within 30 seconds.
battalgazi your acting more and more like an arrogant prick, seems like all this horseloving has gone up your ass
you comment is full of hypocrisy. I come up with a thread : there is an issue worse then having a clan stack on one side : we have a clan stacked on one side with all one class with it!
and what do i get like answers? your buttbuddies coming up with copy paste poem off internet and half witty remarks.youself came up with some useless post. So seriously before asking a serious talk, think twice
People don't like getting gang raped by cav, it's not fun and unfair. And when we say so, you act as moronic pricks just giving you an even worse image of youself and your clan
(yea now I'm pissed) I feel you bashibazouks!
(yea now I'm pissed)
- We know that being killed by cavalry is infuriating. And I understand that as the victim you don't understand that your death was planned, executed and celebrated all in an organised fashion. We can't make formations like foot soldiers (if you can call them formations), instead we use our speed and communication to just wipe out each rambo until all that is left is a 1/3 of the enemy team. We identify and pick our fights. That is cavalry.
Don't be arrogant, lots of clans organize and use tactics your teamwork is not special. Massed cav tactics are most effective because cav is overpowered, being mounted is a huge powere enhancer to a character and has basically zero downside to counter all the positives.
Can you fucksticks stop arguing about teamwork and how GK sucks, or how cool they are?
This isn't a GK problem, this isn't a teamwork problem, this isn't a problem with people not using the right equipment, this isn't a problem with cavalry, this is a team balance problem.
Stay the fuck on topic please (if you want any possibility of getting this problem resolved).
We can't make formations like foot soldiers (if you can call them formations)
You can't make formations on foot either, because everyone runs at a different speed...
now This problem is worsened By GK. Unlike all other clans that accept all classes, GK, accepts ONLY cav
Chill out dude, maybe your intention was to focus on class balance problem, which might be righteous, but it attracted all GK-haters to this topic. This is what me and my clan mates are making fun of. If you have put the problem in other ways, you would not be also targeted in our comments.
You started the rage, you have the right to be pissed off.
Can you fucksticks stop arguing about teamwork and how GK sucks, or how cool they are?
This isn't a GK problem, this isn't a teamwork problem, this isn't a problem with people not using the right equipment, this isn't a problem with cavalry, this is a team balance problem.
Stay the fuck on topic please (if you want any possibility of getting this problem resolved).
ARGH, Thomek is here. My thread is bound to go into pure cav hate :cry:
meh, going to open a topic in game balance discussion.
I mean.. I'm "borrowing" oberyns horse and lance atm.. Tried it on my lvl23 alt. My first kill was just wait around for a few secs, then couched lance straight into enemy group frontally. Killed a skilled player, then surprisingly came out alive on the other side with the arabian.
Never had an easier kill..
We are ruthlessly effective