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Strategus => Diplomacy => Topic started by: Corsair831 on September 30, 2013, 08:39:52 pm

Title: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Corsair831 on September 30, 2013, 08:39:52 pm
we had 2 battles today totalling 3500 enemy troops and gear for 2,000 enemy troops, and the coalition didn't even do rosters for either battles

I don't mean to be impolite or anything, but was this a simple oversight, or has the coalition given up on strategus?

if they've given up, i don't want to sound presumptuous, but could we start a new strategus soon? it seems to me that UIF has basically almost won this round of strategus (if coalition is giving up), and i'm sure many people are wanting to start a new round, with some improvements hopefully! :) (economy rebalancing, implementation of butan's fief inventory scripts, reassessment of 1/3 troops rule)

- apostates look pretty screwed in the north
- templars are taking hard losses in the south

thanks, Corsair
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Keshian on September 30, 2013, 08:45:33 pm
we had 2 battles today totalling 3500 enemy troops and gear for 2,000 enemy troops, and the coalition didn't even do rosters for either battles

I don't mean to be impolite or anything, but was this a simple oversight, or has the coalition given up on strategus?

if they've given up, i don't want to sound presumptuous, but could we start a new strategus soon? it seems to me that UIF has basically almost won this round of strategus sat around did nothing in castles and cities until everyone on other side got bored enough to quit to play other games and then attacked all the afks (if coalition is giving up), and i'm sure many people are wanting to start a new round, with some improvements hopefully! :) (economy rebalancing, implementation of butan's fief inventory scripts, reassessment of 1/3 troops rule)

- apostates look pretty screwed in the north
- templars are taking hard losses in the south

thanks, Corsair

Fixed
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Corsair831 on September 30, 2013, 08:49:15 pm
Fixed

i agree the sitting around in castles was all rather boring in this round of strat

hopefully in the next version there is some kind of starving the enemy out mechanic or something to stop castle defending being so powerful
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: GRANDMOM on September 30, 2013, 08:55:27 pm

- apostates look pretty screwed in the north


Thats a mild way of putting it since they dont even exist up there  :mrgreen:

But ok, if they have indeed given up, which I doubt, this strat would be over if not all clans still on the map suddenly forgot all their differences and came together in a big hug of love singing "Kumbaya my lord" and then suddenly turned as one man to the west and insulted Hetmans mother with one voice.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Corsair831 on September 30, 2013, 09:00:32 pm
Thats a mild way of putting it since they dont even exist up there  :mrgreen:

But ok, if they have indeed given up, which I doubt, this strat would be over if not all clans still on the map suddenly forgot all their differences and came together in a big hug of love singing "Kumbaya my lord" and then suddenly turned as one man to the west and insulted Hetmans mother with one voice.

sure, we could attack the grey order, but i cba with another war of infinite money armies in full plate attacking army stacked castles, i think a lot of people might feel the same. I don't know about you but i'd much prefer a whole new round of strategus :)
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Osiris on September 30, 2013, 09:06:19 pm
Invade the NA!
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Keshian on September 30, 2013, 09:18:57 pm
Invade the NA!

Arrowaine said you were all punk bitches who would stand no chance in NA - just letting you know.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: adieumnode on September 30, 2013, 09:46:41 pm
Maybe Coalition and co should have attacked UIF more when it was massively inactive and stuggling to fill rosters for every battle instead of being pussies stocking troops in castles against a vastly outnumbered enemy. It's good to see that the UIF aren't the same and will attack when they have the advantage.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Harpag on September 30, 2013, 09:56:58 pm
Invade the NA!

First time I agree with Mercs  :)  Dear Coalition,  if you really give up, let's sign peace and help us catch Kesh and kick her fat ass  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: GRANDMOM on September 30, 2013, 10:10:00 pm
Arrowaine said you were all punk bitches who would stand no chance in NA - just letting you know.

 :shock: are u guys really that good?
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: arowaine on September 30, 2013, 10:36:43 pm
Arrowaine said you were all punk bitches who would stand no chance in NA - just letting you know.

kesh said russian are retard, grey order are carebear, coalition are just bad and siting in their fief, crusader alliance inactive and merc just to good for everyone. invade na if you guys want i will be happy to merc for you.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Osiris on September 30, 2013, 10:39:43 pm
Wessex will pledge spears for the invasion!
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Vovka on September 30, 2013, 10:43:50 pm
Invade the NA!
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: bagge on September 30, 2013, 10:44:46 pm
Would be hilarious if the bigger factions of EU would make peace and invade the NA.

Make it happen!
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Rogue on September 30, 2013, 11:19:13 pm
Maybe Coalition and co should have attacked UIF more when it was massively inactive and stuggling to fill rosters for every battle instead of being pussies stocking troops in castles against a vastly outnumbered enemy. It's good to see that the UIF aren't the same and will attack when they have the advantage.

The quality of your post is directly proportional to the utter retardation of your nickname, thank you for your contribution!   :lol:
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Gmnotutoo on September 30, 2013, 11:34:09 pm
First time I agree with Mercs  :)  Dear Coalition,  if you really give up, let's sign peace and help us catch Kesh and kick her fat ass  :mrgreen:

Sure, come feed NA some delicious XP. We've been in a drought because the major players in strat jumped on the bandwagon copying your cowardly turtle tactics of stockpiling troops in the most defensible castles/cities. You should wipe out the FCC and LCO.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: BaleOhay on September 30, 2013, 11:36:02 pm
kesh said russian are retard, grey order are carebear, coalition are just bad and siting in their fief, crusader alliance inactive and merc just to good for everyone. invade na if you guys want i will be happy to merc for you.

aro willing to whore himself instead of fighting like a man.. nothing new.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: arowaine on September 30, 2013, 11:56:21 pm
aro willing to whore himself instead of fighting like a man.. nothing new.

sorry i have a outside life you know something eles then strategus :) cheer enjoy figthing yourself
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Canuck on October 01, 2013, 12:01:31 am
Invade NA! We might even be able to work together and unite under BIRD CLAN THE GOBBLIN KING to get some great XP flowing!
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Erasmas on October 01, 2013, 12:07:44 am
your cowardly turtle tactics of stockpiling troops in the most defensible castles/cities

You have no idea what you are talking about or you are trying to twist facts. It is true that we have retreated to our castles and all our fiefs were taken by other clans but there was a sensible reason for that. It did however, change afterwards.

And the truth is that from purely strategic point of view stockpiling troops is he most reasonable way to survive in Strat, or at least to survive for a longer time. I blame game mechanics and devs, cause I don't believe in change of human nature in that respect.

Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Matey on October 01, 2013, 12:35:16 am
invade na if you guys want i will be happy to merc for you.

Shamefur dispray. If EU invades NA then it falls to all NA to group up and give them all a good thrashing! for the xp! they got over 1mil tickets in fiefs to NAs 500k... no need for NA players to sell each other out when we could have some fun working together for once.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Jack1 on October 01, 2013, 12:39:46 am
Shamefur dispray. If EU invades NA then it falls to all NA to group up and give them all a good thrashing! for the xp! they got over 1mil tickets in fiefs to NAs 500k... no need for NA players to sell each other out when we could have some fun working together for once.

All the eus join one faction and all the NAs join one faction. Let them come to NA and see what real mercs/tactics are like.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: BaleOhay on October 01, 2013, 01:14:21 am
sorry i have a outside life you know something eles then strategus :) cheer enjoy figthing yourself

Even your insults are not manly and make little sense to me.

If Eu attacks NA you plan on dropping to your knees, sticking your ass in the air and taking it deep by mercing for the attackers? Pathetic. You do not even care who would be attacking. HAHAHA

How is this for a novel thought.. IF EU attacks they land first in LCO territory.. want to know what FCC would be doing? Marching to help defend you, now grow a pair and tell them if they attack you will stomp a mud hole in the first asshat that crosses over the border.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: arowaine on October 01, 2013, 01:21:01 am
Even your insults are not manly and make little sense to me.

If Eu attacks NA you plan on dropping to your knees, sticking your ass in the air and taking it deep by mercing for the attackers? Pathetic. You do not even care who would be attacking. HAHAHA

How is this for a novel thought.. IF EU attacks they land first in LCO territory.. want to know what FCC would be doing? Marching to help defend you, now grow a pair and tell them if they attack you will stomp a mud hole in the first asshat that crosses over the border.

nha we are french white flag here :D after being told 1000 time in finaly understand that you guys were rigth
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Butan on October 01, 2013, 01:56:15 am
Dont lose hope, those were only 2 villages, the future will bring much more fights!
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 01, 2013, 03:54:45 am
Yes, EU, invade NA and watch as NA actually becomes super active again.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on October 01, 2013, 03:57:38 am
If only there could exist a server stationed on a high-tech ocean liner in the middle of the Atlantic ocean. One side is gonna get the dick from high ping, and in a game with no (I think?) interpolation to speak of, ping is fucking devastating.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on October 01, 2013, 06:33:33 am
THE REALM OF THE GOBBLIN KING > EU Scum
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: woody on October 01, 2013, 05:01:07 pm
Lets all join hands and invade the NA, great idea.

Be nice to fight with some guys we have spent ages against and remember this is just a game for a bit of fun. Plus I want some new guys to flame, no-one really bites anymore and alot of the NA guys seem to go bonkers easily.

Plus with the huge NA ping advantage they should be able to do ok for a while with their Str crutch builds despite the lack of skill?
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Latvian on October 01, 2013, 05:17:20 pm
i wonder what happens if so called anti UIF wont play next strat? I suppose chadz's dream of trding simulator will come true :)
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Aderyn on October 01, 2013, 05:23:02 pm
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Plus with the huge NA ping advantage they should be able to do ok for a while with their Str crutch builds despite the lack of skill?

Hell yeah, invade the NA! :D
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: woody on October 01, 2013, 09:41:44 pm
If anti UIF wont play simply the other clans allied with UIF currently would band together against them.

If it came to it and factions were limited you could see a grey/drz war.

Its just a bit of fun - an ally can become an enemy for the sake of a game.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Tomas on October 02, 2013, 01:39:40 am
If anti UIF wont play simply the other clans allied with UIF currently would band together against them.

If it came to it and factions were limited you could see a grey/drz war.

Its just a bit of fun - an ally can become an enemy for the sake of a game.

Possibly the most deluded post I've seen in a long time :D :P
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: woody on October 04, 2013, 05:17:36 pm
Oh dear, yet another who doesnt realise its just a game. Being deluded is thinking alliances etc in a game like this actually mean anything, in fact thinking this game means anything at all is a serious delusion, its just a bit of fun, if no enemies in game you find/create one.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: serr on October 04, 2013, 05:35:27 pm
Well, I believe Tomas would be happy if Greys started war against DRZ after they finish coalition. But he played in strat 3 and remember what UIF did after wiping all their enemies.
On other hand now we have plenty of new factions who play for fun, so I believe there will be some nice wars anyway. Not grey/drz war though.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: bagge on October 04, 2013, 05:47:00 pm
Well, I believe Tomas would be happy if Greys started war against DRZ after they finish coalition. But he played in strat 3 and remember what UIF did after wiping all their enemies.
On other hand now we have plenty of new factions who play for fun, so I believe there will be some nice wars anyway. Not grey/drz war though.

When UIF won strat 3, they had lots of battles 1,5k v 1,5k open field maps. Which was for everyone. Good times.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: serr on October 04, 2013, 06:22:53 pm
True, but that happened later - when devs announced strat 4. UIF won strat 3 several months before that.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Segd on October 04, 2013, 10:53:22 pm
- templars are taking hard losses in the south
There are no Templars anymore  :(
Last fief: http://c-rpg.net/?page=strategusbattlesupcoming#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=5341

Soon we will finish clearing the desert & invade NA Coalition  8-)
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Rebelyell on October 04, 2013, 11:57:13 pm
There are no Templars anymore  :(
Last fief: http://c-rpg.net/?page=strategusbattlesupcoming#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=5341

Soon we will finish clearing the desert & invade NA Coalition  8-)
you can't wipe Templars
Templars wipe themself(me including)

Anyway thx DRZ for being good  enemy that you can never thrust ^^.
Strat with whole drama abuze and broke shiet is still really intresting experience.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Tactical_One on October 05, 2013, 01:35:03 pm
Don't know what happen to crusaders, i thought they are strong aliance. Desert war was quicker than i thought. Now Coalition is powerful, and remants from difrent clans are comming to their ranks. Defintely they don't have roster problems. There are insane numbers of disciplined coalition players on each battle, so they can pick rest of squad from best merc that aplied. So i belive they can produce very much troops. If they gathered enought silver it should be very long and nice war.

Combined forces of drz, GO, Kapi, Shu han donno mayby wolves and baldes have chance to win it. Especially that they seems to be very good strategicaly. Definetly they won't run of silver, since they can actally make long range trades within own borders.

So thank you all for providing such nice war fun :)
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Latvian on October 05, 2013, 02:14:03 pm
oh yes you can count on kapikulu to do something :D  good luck seeing them actualy doing anything.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Torben on October 05, 2013, 02:21:17 pm
So thank you all for providing such nice war fun :)

I'd love to see the territorial aspect of strat be downsized a bit in favor of coming out of the castles and doing some field battles,  which seem less bugged and more fun in general.  That,  ofc,  would go in hand with loosing a higher amount of troops and jeopardizing the safety of fiefs,  which I would prefer  just for the sake of fun.

sieges are meh :'|
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Butan on October 05, 2013, 03:40:31 pm
sieges are meh :'|


Especially fiefs without an openable gate to sail forth from (cavs are useful in this case).


Plea for proper gatehouses on each maps:
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Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Bittersteel on October 05, 2013, 04:02:51 pm
Will i learn how to properly attack a castle? Only time will tell... that i won't.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Butan on October 05, 2013, 08:29:17 pm
Will i learn how to properly attack a castle? Only time will tell... that i won't.


I think half the strategus sphere knows not to give you more than a hundred unarmed troops.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Bittersteel on October 05, 2013, 08:48:15 pm
More like 75%
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on October 05, 2013, 09:45:22 pm
come on just fucking attack NA you bunch of boy pussy loving EU queers, GOBBLINS will tear your shit up
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Varadin on October 06, 2013, 04:03:14 am
lol we would bang NA so hard even with your advantage with ping
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on October 06, 2013, 04:32:01 am
lol we would bang NA so hard even with your advantage with ping

prove it cunt
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Jack1 on October 06, 2013, 04:37:39 am
lol we would bang NA so hard even with your advantage with ping

This guy....
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Sharpe on October 06, 2013, 04:48:01 am
lol we would bang NA so hard even with your advantage with ping

Your plate maulers our plate maulers behind the school by the bike racks, say around 10:00 my time; so about 4:00 your time?
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: GRANDMOM on October 06, 2013, 08:30:30 am
From what I have seen playing in NA-servers I would say Waradin is right, I really mean it. I am mediocre at best when playing in EU-servers with ping of 40. Playing in NA I often have better score with a ping of 150-170 - lagging. Also from the few stratbattles I have been into in NA the overall performance of the players there are way below EU-standard.  This could ofc be just luck for me, or it could be that I have only been fighting bad players out of pure chance.

Im sure that there are great players in NA - no doubt about it, but the overall player has, from what I have seen, lower skills than the average EU-player. This is true especially to blockingskills and ranged I think - generally speaking ofc.

Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on October 06, 2013, 09:40:43 am
From what I have seen playing in NA-servers I would say Waradin is right, I really mean it. I am mediocre at best when playing in EU-servers with ping of 40. Playing in NA I often have better score with a ping of 150-170 - lagging. Also from the few stratbattles I have been into in NA the overall performance of the players there are way below EU-standard.  This could ofc be just luck for me, or it could be that I have only been fighting bad players out of pure chance.

Im sure that there are great players in NA - no doubt about it, but the overall player has, from what I have seen, lower skills than the average EU-player. This is true especially to blockingskills and ranged I think - generally speaking ofc.

Stop bullshitting and attack already then, fucknugget EU nerd!
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: GRANDMOM on October 06, 2013, 09:42:26 am
Stop bullshitting and attack already then, fucknugget EU nerd!

I think invading disneyland would be more of a challenge actually  :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on October 06, 2013, 09:42:56 am
I'm giving you an invitation. Bitch chat around it or come get me on the internet you yuropoor pussy.

By the way Disneyland is in NA you silly fucking pillock.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: GRANDMOM on October 06, 2013, 10:02:35 am
I'm giving you an invitation. Bitch chat around it or come get me on the internet you yuropoor pussy.

By the way Disneyland is in NA you silly fucking pillock.

Thanks for the invitation, Ill keep it in mind when there is nothing to do on the EU-side and btw the claws of disney has reached europe aswell - but since that outside your borders I guess you know nothing about it.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on October 06, 2013, 10:13:24 am
Ich liebe deine Mutter.

Queerboy European.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: GRANDMOM on October 06, 2013, 11:06:54 am
Ich liebe deine Mutter.

Queerboy European.

You really need to work on your trashtalk Gobbo  :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Panos_ on October 06, 2013, 11:13:14 am
By the way Disneyland is in NA you silly fucking pillock.

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Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Gurnisson on October 06, 2013, 11:33:48 am
Why would you even consider attacking NA? ~150 ping :?
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Lennu on October 06, 2013, 02:18:33 pm
At least GOBBLING KING made this thread interesting :D
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Sharpe on October 06, 2013, 03:16:08 pm
Ich liebe deine Mutter.

Queerboy European.


Deine Mutter ist sehr hasslich. Schwuler.

Thats a better insult!
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: BaleOhay on October 06, 2013, 03:19:21 pm
From what I have seen playing in NA-servers I would say Waradin is right, I really mean it. I am mediocre at best when playing in EU-servers with ping of 40. Playing in NA I often have better score with a ping of 150-170 - lagging. Also from the few stratbattles I have been into in NA the overall performance of the players there are way below EU-standard.  This could ofc be just luck for me, or it could be that I have only been fighting bad players out of pure chance.

Im sure that there are great players in NA - no doubt about it, but the overall player has, from what I have seen, lower skills than the average EU-player. This is true especially to blockingskills and ranged I think - generally speaking ofc.

I do not fight in EU very often but in the two fight I bothered you guys do not impress as much as you seem to think.
http://c-rpg.net/?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=4468
in this one 6 guys in the top 11 are NA... I was lvl 23 during this fight and had a 1:1 till the flag cap happened. On the attackers 4 of the top 12

the other
http://c-rpg.net/?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattleroster&id=5057
Firebus came in second and I was 1:1 which is not to shabby when fighting across the server pond.

Sure it is a small sample size but at least to me even when I have bad ping and fighting where "your skills much greater" I have still done well enough to get hired.


So come visit for a few fights. See how it works out. I would love to see the various NA clans top people merc together
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Socks on October 06, 2013, 03:29:06 pm
I'm giving you an invitation. Bitch chat around it or come get me on the internet you yuropoor pussy.

By the way Disneyland is in NA you silly fucking pillock.
Ooh what's this? http://us.disneylandparis.com/index.xhtml
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Torben on October 06, 2013, 03:56:30 pm
meh %age wise eu and na should have the same amount of good n bad players im thinking.  both are only beat by aus players,  of whom 100% are perfect pros.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Varadin on October 06, 2013, 03:58:29 pm
I do not fight in EU very often but in the two fight I bothered you guys do not impress as much as you seem to think.
http://c-rpg.net/?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=4468
in this one 6 guys in the top 11 are NA... I was lvl 23 during this fight and had a 1:1 till the flag cap happened. On the attackers 4 of the top 12

the other
http://c-rpg.net/?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattleroster&id=5057
Firebus came in second and I was 1:1 which is not to shabby when fighting across the server pond.

Sure it is a small sample size but at least to me even when I have bad ping and fighting where "your skills much greater" I have still done well enough to get hired.

So come visit for a few fights. See how it works out. I would love to see the various NA clans top people merc together

Noone said that NA has bad players, ofc it does, there  are very good individuals , like firebus allers and few more...but we are talking here generally , its not cuse im from EU but my personal opinion is that EU generally has much better players overall, and i can garanatee that we would rape you in strat :D
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on October 06, 2013, 04:09:15 pm
At least GOBBLING KING made this thread interesting :D
OUTRAGED BY THE INSULTING REPEATED MISSPELLING OF HIS GREAT GOBBLIN KINGS NAME ZLISCH PREPARED TO INVADE EU BEFORE GETTING DISTRACTED BY GOATPORN.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Jack1 on October 06, 2013, 04:47:24 pm
  i can garanatee that we would rape you in strat

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Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: BaleOhay on October 06, 2013, 05:55:25 pm
By pure weight of resources I imagine you would eventually win a war of numbers unless we all pulled together over here and that has never happened. Player for player I imagine the % of quality to bad is about the same on both sides of the fence.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on October 06, 2013, 06:15:43 pm
Long journey back? Nah that's not the worst thing. But what would you do when all your armies are in NA :o

Some little hidden 1million man army led by chadz would invade EU and become Overlord of the North, East, South and West. :o Tyranny!
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Gmnotutoo on October 06, 2013, 06:17:19 pm
3. I sincerely doubt all NA would unite, even in the face of EU invasion. The early rosters of NA defenders would have both EU and their NA enemies apply against them, with the best and highest level making up the roster. The factions in the east may hope their enemies on the other side of the map and EU will simply wear each other down, and wait for an opportunity.



You should look at the GOBBLIN KING's vassal list, pretty much every clan has a representative within his royal throne room. You would all get shat on by Daruvian the GOBBLIN KING, master of the slam and jam.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: GRANDMOM on October 06, 2013, 06:55:19 pm
I just spent 38sec of my life and checked ur side of the pond,  and garrissons arent that intimidating to an EU-faction . I havent seen any of your army movements, so I cant be sure ur not fielding dozens of armies under military and exact controll right now, but if you arent you would quite frankly be toast pretty fast. A well planned and organised campaign with EU-resources and players would flood you like a tsunami.

Im guessing that with some preparations and sudden feelings of utter love and friendship between the major EU-factions, about 60*1800 shiny, plated, brutal, coordinated, mean and organised armies could march your way in say 4 weeks.......with a plan.....to take president Gobbos hut

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Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: DaruviansUnmutedAccount on October 06, 2013, 08:21:44 pm
This thread needs to be renamed to "EU players agreeing with and up-voting each other about their internet egos".
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: GRANDMOM on October 06, 2013, 08:27:22 pm
This thread needs to be renamed to "EU players agreeing with and up-voting each other about their internet egos".

Did u get muted Gobbo?
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Keshian on October 06, 2013, 10:10:58 pm

But as i said, seeing is believing, maybe you're right, and after besieging Tulga's 30k garrison we'll all find Nova Tulga's 2.8k garrison absolutely terrifying xD

Sorry, unlike you guys we spent the last 12 months fighting.  Kind of funny the most troops used so far is actually a significantly smaller na faction.  Experience counts and thats one thing NA has a lot more of - experience fighting non-afk opponents.  Bragging about capping flags on 12K garrisons where the roster cant even get filled because most of the active factions left all allied together is not really that impressive.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Jack1 on October 06, 2013, 10:29:03 pm
Waiting for EU baddies to try and take a 200 pop village, and loose.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on October 06, 2013, 10:54:32 pm
Did u get muted Gobbo?
No... that account is unmuted, read the name damnit.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Panos_ on October 06, 2013, 11:02:26 pm
Funny thing is that if GO or DRZ actually attack NA, most EU`s will merc for the NA side  :lol:

I know I will
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Jack1 on October 06, 2013, 11:06:29 pm
Funny thing is that if GO or DRZ actually attack NA, most EU`s will merc for the NA side  :lol:

I know I will

I would think that all NA clans would have the knowledge to not accept EU and EU clans to not accept NA. Force them to be friends or not play at all.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Chris_the_Animal on October 06, 2013, 11:07:11 pm
Waiting for EU baddies to try and take a 200 pop village, and loose.

This is funny, because...because...cause...its true  :|
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Segd on October 06, 2013, 11:09:27 pm
EU:
Garrison: 1,017,490
Silver: 84,369,644

NA:
Garrison: 482,179
Silver: 27,312,480

Only Coalition has same amount of silvers as all NA combined :)

Funny thing is that if GO or DRZ actually attack NA, most EU`s will merc for the NA side  :lol:
We will unite with Coalition into 1 faction called UEF EU  :lol:
No more hate in EU lands & only one purpose - reclaim lost colonies! DRZ wants Alaska back xD
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Panos_ on October 06, 2013, 11:11:25 pm
I highly doubt that Rogue will accept to be allies with you pricks  :wink:
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Bittersteel on October 06, 2013, 11:15:40 pm
Shit is going down
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Jack1 on October 06, 2013, 11:31:36 pm
EU:
Garrison: 1,017,490
Silver: 84,369,644

NA:
Garrison: 482,179
Silver: 27,312,480

Only Coalition has same amount of silvers as all NA

Just so you know many groups in NA don't put all they have in their fiefs, its extremely annoying to attack a castle and kill 11k tickets and counting when you only thought it was 3k while still not knowing how much is left.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: BaleOhay on October 06, 2013, 11:34:47 pm
I hope that EU stays over in EU.. not because I am afraid (ask DRZ or Mercs how fun it is to fight FCC in strat, we do not win all the battles but we make life hell) I would rather they stay put because then all fights are at terrible time slots that I can hardly join in on.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Butan on October 07, 2013, 12:00:03 am
EU:
Garrison: 1,017,490
Silver: 84,369,644

NA:
Garrison: 482,179
Silver: 27,312,480


NA fiefs : 109 (smaller map, fiefs not being there)
EU fiefs : 180



So when you do the maths, NA stacking = -25% than EU stacking (not much)


Still, despite the map being smaller (for playerbase reason officially?) there is a lot of players NA side for that few fiefs. To reach a measly 500k in garrison for almost as many strategus players as EU, NA must have fough about 2.5x more than EU.

I think NA deserve 180 fiefs even more than EU does. Even though one could argue that the scarcity of fiefs is an incentive for more battles.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on October 07, 2013, 02:03:18 am
[quote author=Butan link=topic=54004.msg870332#msg870332 date=1381096803I think NA deserve 180 fiefs even more than EU does. Even though one could argue that the scarcity of fiefs is an incentive for more battles.
[/quote]
If anything more fiefs would lead to more battles, as troops would be spread more thinly.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Varadin on October 07, 2013, 02:44:11 am
Damn it would be fucking awesome if Eu would unite vs NA and if there were no lag advanatages/disadvantages

it would fucking roooooock !!!  :mrgreen:

god im gonna fap now of too much imaginations :D
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on October 07, 2013, 02:56:07 am
Damn it would be fucking awesome if Eu would unite vs NA and if there were no lag advanatages/disadvantages

it would fucking roooooock !!!  :mrgreen:

god im gonna fap now of too much imaginations :D
Typical Euro mindset "It'd be so awesome if the huge group I'm a part of unite with a ton of other huge groups to fight a group less than half as big as our deathbloc"... we'll still kick your Euro asses, but still, that there is why EU strat sucks.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on October 07, 2013, 03:22:49 am
I think NA deserve 180 fiefs even more than EU does. Even though one could argue that the scarcity of fiefs is an incentive for more battles.

Not so sure about that. There are relatively few people on the NA side that play on the Strategus map. Even with the rather small amount of fiefs, we've gotten to the point where there are many factions inactive in addition to the tendency to refuse to defend villages. There have been more than a few awkward 1500+v200 population attacks on villages going back and forth. I'm just as bad as everyone else; there are very few villages I'd actually willingly defend either.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: mrrdhardy on October 07, 2013, 07:39:25 am
the oldest question of CRPG could be answered which community is the best EU or NA and what would happen if EU invaded NA?

 :lol:
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: GRANDMOM on October 07, 2013, 08:40:07 am
Well, perhaps it would be easy to setup, I think that EU-side could sponsor such an event. It could look something like this:

2 solid and organised guys guys from both sides form a group that together decides how the following event would be setup (rules for duels etc)

*Setup 4 armies of 1800 shiny (or whatever is decided)
*Make two battles on each side of the pond
*If 2-2 after the fights - each side chooses 10 heroes (see below) or continue to make armies until one side has won
*These duels each other an uneven number of matches (both NA/EU servers ofc)

Matter is settled
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: bagge on October 07, 2013, 09:12:26 am
oh yes you can count on kapikulu to do something :D  good luck seeing them actualy doing anything.

Say again?
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Latvian on October 07, 2013, 10:05:08 am
Say again?
wooow 1st time in strat 4 history they actualy did something, took them only like year  (that little action where they fought coallition a little doent count)
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: bagge on October 07, 2013, 12:08:21 pm
wooow 1st time in strat 4 history they actualy did something, took them only like year  (that little action where they fought coallition a little doent count)

Ok, now tell me what Apostates achieved. Did you conquer anything at all this strat? Grunwalder Castle doesn't count since Occitan gave it to you.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: bavvoz on October 07, 2013, 12:49:38 pm
Ok, now tell me what Apostates achieved. Did you conquer anything at all this strat? Grunwalder Castle doesn't count since Occitan gave it to you.

We made u look good, does that count as an achivement?
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: BaleOhay on October 07, 2013, 01:21:23 pm
NA took Fisdar... Pretty much sure that is 100% of what we wanted from EU. Thus ends the debate. NA has won strat, grats peasants!
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Keshian on October 07, 2013, 01:39:10 pm
NA took Fisdar... Pretty much sure that is 100% of what we wanted from EU. Thus ends the debate. NA has won strat, grats peasants!

Good point - NA invaded EU first Heskey, I know you really support Eu because you live there, but under what you just said NA is the stronger side.  And for us being under-populated?  really?  Occitan hasnt done anything all strat so they have 80K garrisons, even with losing 270K troops fighting we still have 80K too, mb and tkov have another 100K between them.  No way would this be cakewalk for you just because tulga has less than hospies castle which has 18K. 

You may outnumber us 2:1 and wear us down eventually but i have a feeling you would just burn yourselves out dying on castle and city walls and killing like 700-800 on defenders side each time because of ping difference with equal quality mercs on both sides (i can tell you from experience fighting Mercs and DRZ in strat 2 this is what happens, both sides get burned out with the ping difference and shitty times, but its not as bad for defenders). 

And that 1800 thing never works - its the same problem we have in NA we used to be an all-around faction but now fcc does really great in sieges but more so-so in open field battles because we have so few cav players left, basically if one side is able to get more mercs to show up using classes that are less affected by ping like cavalry and ranged and strength polearm builds then they will do better.  And any merc pool would likely accept the "best" players from each side that actually can make a random time fo the day battle, which means team compositions would pretty much be luck of the draw with the winner being whoever got more top quality cav, polearms and ranged to overcome ping difference.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Butan on October 07, 2013, 02:07:01 pm
I wish we could found ways to fight each others, I think we can all agree we are fed up of killing the same people over and over again : new blood for the win!

Except for some great sieges, the only battles I really missed are those where EU and NA fought over something (its also quite cool to have a teamspeak channel with the best of both communities smack talkers).



Btw, can someone attack Fisdnar so I can defend it heroically ?  :P
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: woody on October 07, 2013, 03:00:57 pm
Firstly this games about fun and I think an EU invasion of the NA map would be fun.

EU has more troops/gold/players which is why it should be EU invading, the ping will add balance.

Logistically its a bit silly but I think just before strat is to be reset a 2 week invasion of NA would be a laugh. Seeing every active EU player heading East with 3000 shiny troops would be awesome. People will immediately say cant be done but only really needs Rogue and Hetman to say ok and it would be possible.

Plus I'd like to be on the same side as merc/coalition cav for once.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Rebelyell on October 07, 2013, 04:44:16 pm
Firstly this games about fun and I think an EU invasion of the NA map would be fun.

EU has more troops/gold/players which is why it should be EU invading, the ping will add balance.

Logistically its a bit silly but I think just before strat is to be reset a 2 week invasion of NA would be a laugh. Seeing every active EU player heading East with 3000 shiny troops would be awesome. People will immediately say cant be done but only really needs Rogue and Hetman to say ok and it would be possible.

Plus I'd like to be on the same side as merc/coalition cav for once.

night time battles are so fuking fun, we all love it
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: BaleOhay on October 07, 2013, 04:48:29 pm
Firstly this games about fun and I think an EU invasion of the NA map would be fun.

EU has more troops/gold/players which is why it should be EU invading, the ping will add balance.

Logistically its a bit silly but I think just before strat is to be reset a 2 week invasion of NA would be a laugh. Seeing every active EU player heading East with 3000 shiny troops would be awesome. People will immediately say cant be done but only really needs Rogue and Hetman to say ok and it would be possible.

Plus I'd like to be on the same side as merc/coalition cav for once.

be careful what u are asking for. A war against NA in strat is also a war against the FCC forum warriors and they alone have toppled nations..
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: BASNAK on October 07, 2013, 05:48:06 pm
be careful what u are asking for. A war against NA in strat is also a war against the FCC forum warriors and they alone have toppled nations..

It is even said that Kesh's downvoting of posts, blots out the sun.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: BaleOhay on October 07, 2013, 06:25:49 pm
It is even said that Kesh's downvoting of posts, blots out the sun.

This man understands the firepower we are working with. give you the double barrel of kesh and daruvian to the face
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Osiris on October 07, 2013, 06:29:25 pm
This wont be fun for more than a few people for a couple of reasons.

1. prime time eu = shit time na and vice versa
2. If UIF invade NA it wont be EU vs NA it will be UIF vs NA because with such small battle limits you will only get UIF in the roster + a couple of mercs and anyone else has to bring their own troops to get a fight :P

IF UIF and Coalition allied and went to NA your cutting the numbers of eu players in the battles in half :P
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Tomas on October 07, 2013, 07:37:04 pm
I can honestly say that collectively we in EU have learned our lessons and history is not repeating itself in the slightest. 

Last Strat the Wolves betrayed the Anti-UIF, thought they had allied with the UIF and then got their asses handed to them when the UIF turned round and said we don't need you anymore!
This Strat however, Wolves have made sure this cannot possibly happen a 2nd time by betraying the Anti-UIF and allying with the UIF!! 

Also, last Strat the UIF only invaded NA when there wasn't a single enemy or neutral clan left on the EU side of the map.
But this Strat clans such as Quincy and OdE have secured their permanent future in EU Strat by declaring themselves as neutral and mercing on both sides of the war!

Such measures taken by these illustrious EU clans mean that there will be absolutely nothing for the UIF to do on the EU side of the map once the Coalition is gone and therefore an invasion of NA is 100% certain to be the next UIF move.

We also know from past experience that there is absolutely no chance whatsoever of any NA clans siding with the UIF in order to gain an advantage in over their rival NA clans.  This has never ever happened before and I can categorically state that it could not possibly happen again!

So all in all I'd say that an NA vs EU war is 278.2% certain to happen before the end of December 2010 and that is a F.A.C.T! :D



Sarcasm a-side and on a more serious note I'd just like to say.......
Still think our sieges against Coalition are just us wiping the afkers?
(click to show/hide)
:shock: :? :| :) :lol: 8-)
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: GRANDMOM on October 07, 2013, 08:14:41 pm
If you want to Thomas we could go over all of this "betrayal" bullshit again, I wont let the Wolves be remembered that way Thomas - you know zip apparently so dont go into that

Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Tomas on October 07, 2013, 08:25:06 pm
I wont let the Wolves be remembered that way Thomas

I think you are a little too late on that one. 
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Falka on October 07, 2013, 11:09:02 pm
This thread made me puke.

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Firstly this games about fun and I think an EU invasion of the NA map would be fun.

Playing with NA ping = fun. Retard.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: woody on October 07, 2013, 11:14:03 pm
I dont give a crap how wolves are remembered by one eyed retards like tomas. His opinion is utterly irrelevant.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Tomas on October 08, 2013, 12:38:06 am
I dont give a crap how wolves are remembered by one eyed retards like tomas. His opinion is utterly irrelevant.

And yet you still feel the need to try and discredit my opinion by calling me names  :wink:
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on October 08, 2013, 11:13:03 am
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Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Erasmas on October 08, 2013, 12:02:39 pm
Yet I doubt there will be any sieges against the coalition, strat is currently in stalemate and until someone makes a move it could be like this for quite a while.

http://c-rpg.net/?page=strategusbattlesupcoming#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=5405 (http://c-rpg.net/?page=strategusbattlesupcoming#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=5405)
http://c-rpg.net/?page=strategusbattlesupcoming#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=5406 (http://c-rpg.net/?page=strategusbattlesupcoming#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=5406)

and another siege of Uhhun Cstl tonight or tomorrow...

So, yeah, Strat is currently in stalemate and there will be no sieges against the coalition  :rolleyes:

Also, 9 battles all together on EU side today and tomorrow. You, my friend, are stale, and it is up to YOU to do something....
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Segd on October 08, 2013, 01:47:35 pm
The problem with strat is that there are 3 'superpowers' the Grey's, Coaltion and DRZ and unfortunately no-one wants to declare war on any except the coalition it seems. Yet I doubt there will be any sieges against the coalition, strat is currently in stalemate and until someone makes a move it could be like this for quite a while.
This:
Seems some people are incapable of posting rational thoughts or even stringing together a coherent sentence.
:rolleyes:
We(uif) attack Coalition fiefs every day. Too bad that having 200k+ troops, 30kk silver & probably the support of already destroyed clans they don't want to fight back  :?
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Fips on October 08, 2013, 02:04:16 pm
Could you tell your buttbuddies to stop itembombing our castles...please?

Someone who has given up on strat surely doesn't need to be itembombed, right?
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Keshian on October 08, 2013, 02:10:32 pm
Seems some people are incapable of posting rational thoughts or even stringing together a coherent sentence.

The problem with strat is that there are 3 'superpowers' the Grey'sGobblins, CoaltionFCC and DRZwe are the rest of NA and will fuck everybody up and unfortunately no-one wants to declare war on any except the coalition it seems. Yet I doubt there will be any sieges against the coalitionNA RAPE TRAIN, strat is currently in stalemate and until someone makes a move it could be like this for quite a while.

Sorry i was doing some morning musings.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Rebelyell on October 08, 2013, 02:27:08 pm
This: :rolleyes:
We(uif) attack Coalition fiefs every day. Too bad that having 200k+ troops, 30kk silver & probably the support of already destroyed clans they don't want to fight back  :?
and lvl 35 is not unreachable dream anymore :P
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Vovka on October 08, 2013, 02:28:29 pm
Could you tell your buttbuddies to stop itembombing our castles...please?

Someone who has given up on strat surely doesn't need to be itembombed, right?
its humanitarian aid, warm socks, canned food, lubricant  :P
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Segd on October 08, 2013, 02:33:40 pm
Could you tell your buttbuddies to stop itembombing our castles...please?

Someone who has given up on strat surely doesn't need to be itembombed, right?
You could always send some armies to stop the siege & sell the shit.   :rolleyes: As far as I know Hetman wait for about 5min between attacks. Vovka don't use dirty tactics too. If I was in charge I would probably use everything in our advantage just because it will save us a lot of tickets & gold

and lvl 35 is not unreachable dream anymore :P
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I don't play crpg at all, pure Strat xp. I don't go to more than a half of big battles. & this is the attacker's XP, Anti-uif should have even more  :cry:
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Erasmas on October 08, 2013, 02:36:12 pm
Itembombing? I always thought it is called "loot"...
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Rebelyell on October 08, 2013, 02:59:02 pm
its humanitarian aid, warm socks, canned food, lubricant  :P
oh comon vovka you should agree, that move is pure bulshit

Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Spurdospera on October 08, 2013, 03:05:07 pm
Itembombing? I always thought it is called "loot"...
It would be "loot" if it would´ve been gained from victorious battle. Instead some Crapikulu decided to drop about 130 different shit items in castle before attacking it.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Fips on October 08, 2013, 03:05:49 pm
Yes, let's attack an army outside of the castle (And thus loosing much more tickets than actually defending the castle) so the attackers cannot use the failed mechanics (also called exploiting/griefing) to fuck us up in the first minutes of the next battle.

Don't exploit, simple as that. Also, after Knitler the little dip$#/T itembombed us just recently, this time someone was smart enough to capture the whole thing. Expect some punishment for your kapikulubuddies.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: BaleOhay on October 08, 2013, 03:47:09 pm
Pretty sure gear won after a fight due to defenders winning is not item bombing... having people dump gear into the castle itself just before an attack is illeagal and a shitty thing to do. If someone is doing that they should be booted from the strat map
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Butan on October 08, 2013, 03:59:33 pm
For example Panos' ladders that float above forward spawns so he can drop on them, it's an exploit


Come on, thats like the coolest way to help defend a siege.




You cant tell people to not use items in "unrealistic ways"; else you have to forbid using ladders to act as shields and things like that.
Everything in the game can be done, as long as you respect a few simple rule. The moment you accept that, you adapt. In your example, you dont build a forward spawn too close to the walls or you properly protect it with ladders.
Same for anti-ladders tactics where you use ladders to block incoming ladders/siege equipment.


The only thing I'm ready to agree with you, which isnt written in the rules, is to not abuse the siege equipment limit as defenders, at least not the entire round and not voluntarily.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Rebelyell on October 08, 2013, 04:07:05 pm
Wouldn't it be nice if neither side abused shitty game mechanics that chadz never specifically said 'do this and you'll be banned'?

For example Panos' ladders that float above forward spawns so he can drop on them, it's an exploit, the ladder floats, but cos one end is touching the edge of the castle it technically isn't a sky ladder. And as your life-long ally says 'it isn't against the rules so i'm going to keep doing it'. I wonder how that makes the attackers feel when they're next confronted with the moral dilemma of abusing obviously shitty game mechanics but ones they won't get banned for?

Or the number of times a ladder is placed that deliberately or accidentally stops a siege tower, or bugs out all ladders being placed by attackers below it. Although they're nearly always broken eventually by kind defenders, you always get the few individuals shouting 'We're using it so NO!' when asked to break it. And although it's broken nearly every time in the end, it takes around 10 mins of debate the whole time that runs down the clock and only suits defenders.

Item bombing is shitty, i wouldn't do it, but everyone takes advantage of shitty exploits in this game, so unless both sides agree on certain exploits that should never be used, or the admins agree on actually making some things against the rules that are fair to both sides, i guess it'll keep happening. The argument for item bombing would be that inactive defenders deserve some kind of handicap compared to active ones. But i still think it's cheap.

"comon sens" you smart ass
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Gurnisson on October 08, 2013, 04:15:23 pm
Also, after Knitler the little dip$#/T itembombed us just recently,

Damn, the hate towards a man who's carried Anti-UiF roster for so long is quite extreme! :lol:
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Jack1 on October 08, 2013, 04:50:31 pm
Come on guys, this thread is about how EU is going to wipe NA throw thine testicalia on the NA choppith blockith to get removedith from thine crotch. Ith.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on October 08, 2013, 04:51:41 pm
My bad thend :-D been out of contact with star. For a while, might have to rejoin if it's no longer a stalemate
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Rebelyell on October 08, 2013, 05:21:59 pm
Basic empathy, one man's 'comon sens' is another man's exploit that ruins the fun. How to make it clearer... When you're team uses a clever little trick and laughs at how the enemy can no longer attack, you're ruining it for them. And when they do the same to you they are having the exact same reaction to when you do it, 'hehe, aren't we clever'.

I know and like people on both sides of the blocks, when you're in that situation you get to see that it isn't all one-sided good guys/bad guys, and frankly there are twats on both sides. You clearly don't enjoy thinking about it that way, but it's not so simple as 'the enemy' are just evil and love ruining fun, and 'the good guys' use these fun and clever tricks to baffle 'the enemy'. Or maybe it is, maybe it's just 'comon sens' when you do it, but a cheating exploit when they do? CRPG community best community lol.
like item bomb is on that red line
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: bagge on October 08, 2013, 05:34:23 pm
For example Panos' ladders that float above forward spawns so he can drop on them, it's an exploit, the ladder floats, but cos one end is touching the edge of the castle it technically isn't a sky ladder.

How this is still allowed is beyond me. Those ladders are just as unrealistic and abusive as the sky ladder, indeed.

The devs should perhaps have some dedicated test players (or actually try a strat siege for themselves) that aren't biased scumbags to tell them shit like this.

No hate toward Panos of course, I speak in general terms.

ps: It's not just because the side of Coalition are using them, I'd still complain about them if UIF were using ladders like that. So don't go "JUST BECUZ UIF ATAK WUD BOUT UZ WEN WE ATAKED!??!"
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Fips on October 08, 2013, 05:51:16 pm
Damn, the hate towards a man who's carried Anti-UiF roster for so long is quite extreme! :lol:

As you may have noticed, we are doing just fine without him.
Also, this rage has nothing to do with Coalition. The way he left HRE and what kind of bullcrap he pulls now just boggles my mind after playing with him for almost 1.5years. He even was so far that he thought about meeting up with us in RL if it's possible somehow. We maybe saw it coming this year because of HRE being inactive for quite some time and him being bored of us, but that lying soab didn't even have the balls to give us the real reason why he left. I thought after so much time spent with us, even though we are still just people from the internet, he owed us at least that. So this rage is between HRE and him and maybe some of the guys that are leading coalition strat.
Heck, Varadin left us for the same reason and we still like him (Although i'm not sure if he understands that, so if you read that varadin, i still wuv you <3).


PS:  I'm all in for banning ladders that are are only connected once with siege equipment/ground/scene props. There would still be some kind of ladders sticking in the air, but at least you wouldn't be able to place them on top of siege towers or whatever, and imo those are the worst kind. But then again, we would need cmp or chadz to change the rules accordingly. But for now that's just the way it is. Itembombing is not allowed and those ladders are.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on October 08, 2013, 06:07:47 pm
Yes, let's attack an army outside of the castle (And thus loosing much more tickets than actually defending the castle) so the attackers cannot use the failed mechanics (also called exploiting/griefing) to fuck us up in the first minutes of the next battle.

Don't exploit, simple as that. Also, after Knitler the little dip$#/T itembombed us just recently, this time someone was smart enough to capture the whole thing. Expect some punishment for your kapikulubuddies.
When you/mercs were on the offensive that so called item bombing and griefing and abuse of failed mechanics was fair game, totally acceptable, and real cool.
EDIT2: How the fuck can you complain about itembombing when you're stacking 10k troops in fiefs to grief with the failed 1/3 mechanic?
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Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Harpag on October 08, 2013, 06:08:55 pm
I'm really curious what interesting can you tell about blocking siege ramp with ladders  :rolleyes: 

If you want to play dirty, then you can get it  :twisted:
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Fips on October 08, 2013, 06:14:38 pm
When you/mercs were on the offensive that so called item bombing and griefing and abuse of failed mechanics was fair game, totally acceptable, and real cool.

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You know that is a blatant lie.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: bagge on October 08, 2013, 06:22:07 pm
I'm really curious what interesting can you tell about blocking siege ramp with ladders

I am as well.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Spurdospera on October 08, 2013, 06:37:47 pm
I for one think that blocking siege towers ramp with ladder is really douche move but then again it´s on that grey area called common sense... I wouldn´t do it myself but I can´t really say it´s against the rules either.

Maybe some admin can give us more insight about these common sense issues we are having here? Is it okay to block attackers siege tower ramp with ladder?
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Knitler on October 08, 2013, 07:25:28 pm
Yes, let's attack an army outside of the castle (And thus loosing much more tickets than actually defending the castle) so the attackers cannot use the failed mechanics (also called exploiting/griefing) to fuck us up in the first minutes of the next battle.

Don't exploit, simple as that. Also, after Knitler the little dip$#/T itembombed us just recently, this time someone was smart enough to capture the whole thing. Expect some punishment for your kapikulubuddies.

Lets make a proper and detailed thread in publicy if you flaming morons want so ...

First of all, i "kinda" itembombed, yes. But thats no big deal and wasnt even heavily damaging you, it also was an accident, i just dumped my shit i had into the castle cause i thought you´ll sort it out anyway, it was like some seconds too late. I actually wanted to sell them, but it didnt worked, so i put the stuff in, NOT KNOWING why selling wasnt working, till Rogue came on TS and "kindly" told me how it worked. If you dont want to belive me go on.

1,) I left HRE and the whole Coalition not cause of inactivity or some of you told in HRE forum (which i was kicked from internal after like 10minutes after my leaving post, i actually wanted to discuss with you) that you guys werent skilled enough for me, somebody said. I left it cause i took relatively much work into the whole HRE Reputation of mine and outside, i was always kinda good to the greys which were enemies to us, nicely to our members till they kinda harassed me with some stuff, which was sorted out fairly fast. I gave some looms away for an laughy offer just to make you guys happy <- I want those looms back if you dont stop flaming and mobing on me, shouldnt be too hard to find out how much looompoints, cause the trademessages are still saved.

2) I left HRE and the whole Coalition cause you just keep flaming the UIF-Guys in strat fights like "Y U NO ATTACK!?" "O NU DAT SKYLADDER!" and much much more retarded stuff to say which dont get me in mind anymore. That flaming just crashes the game fun for me.

2b) I left HRE and the whole Coalition cause when Varadin left, you haked on him for some time which i dont want to see. Yes maybe it was wrong from Varadin to leave for XP (Which i didnt, cause you boys know i dont really need XP anymore) but its no reason to flame him.

3) I left HRE and the whole Coalition cause we just fit together while i was much more active, while i was 24/7 available for everything, and didnt had so much problem with you beeing inactive, i just took some other games.

4) I left HRE and the whole Coalition cause i found some "proper" friends in Byz/UIF like Schmacko, Jacu, Jarlek. And hell, these guys are not so retarded, they are kinda happy to see me like friends should.

5) I left HRE and the whole Coalition cause i thought it was a joke to dont see any of the proper leaders serious fighting anymore. Everybody on alts, sometimes not even helping the team, playing with some retarded builds. I knew some time ago when nearly 1/3 of our playerbase was freshly retired and we carried them, i was part of it. A clan is here to get help and help others, whenever its needed, not to just suck the shit out of it. I also remember that i gave much ppl much gold cause they needed it it for a new shiny weapon or just needed a little support. I always gave it, without asking, a bit with a joke like;
"Oh you need gold? Have fun farming." Ten minutes later - "Offer is up, what are you waiting for?"

6) I left HRE and the whole Coalition cause i was fighting for Greys/UIF twice, i had more fun than the past half year of cRPG. And i was fighting incognito, just the most important guys knew it was me.

The golden 7) I left HRE and the whole Coalition cause after fighting for Greys/UIF i was always wavering to join Byz and what should i do now (Hell yeah, ask Schmacko). One time after playing none of cRPG with you guys cause you werent on the servers all time long, I just went: If nobody is on any Server, not even TeamSpeak... I´ll just leave. And that was it.

Bonus) I would never regret my leave, cause how you guys just keep and kept flaming on me like Erzengel (which i supported with some stuff), Netzwerg, Lange, Nikodin there wont be any question.

I hope you accept that post now and fucking leave me be.



Sincerly, Knitler.


Edit: May be not the right section of the forum, maybe you want to copy paste it into the HRE forum which i cant discuss? Huh?
Anyway, I´ll read it tomorrow while im working again, the next 48hrs 24hrs .... Night.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Fips on October 08, 2013, 07:47:18 pm
Good, we still hate you, though. This post should have been posted when you left us and things would be a lot different now. But you decided to post some lame-ass thread there instead of being all open about your reasons. I hope you're not ignorant enough to see why we are flaming on you like that now.
Not going into detail to all of your reasons, although nice to know finally, imo you've lost the right to have a detailed discussion about this.

Also, i'm not thinking you would be getting those looms back, because the chance of those trades to be revertable now is almost non-existent.


@Spurdo: Thing is with this equipment stuff, it's just too much of a grey area to make use of the "common sense" rules. Imo this needs clarification from cmp or chadz until admins should do something about it.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Varadin on October 08, 2013, 08:16:41 pm
Come on you two fips and knitler , you were once epic friends , chill down its just a game, i love you both , and i love greys and hre and all others.

Are you gonna hate each other when bannerlord or melee bg coems out and form new clans , are you gonna hate urself there as well ? please just forget this and enjoy playing  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Falka on October 08, 2013, 08:23:59 pm
Damn, the hate towards a man who's carried Anti-UiF roster for so long is quite extreme! :lol:

Huh, before I got bored with plated armies in strat I kind of liked that he changed sides, Knitler was teamhitting like madman (in strat everyone teamhits, that's obvious, but his awlpike hurts so badly :P), so when he became UIF at least I could kill him from time to time without getting banned :P

Yes maybe it was wrong from Varadin to leave for XP (Which i didnt, cause you boys know i dont really need XP anymore)

You don't need xp, but still play on eu1 with byzantium banner and on eu2 with GO banner  :rolleyes: Banner whoring at its best :P
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Fips on October 08, 2013, 08:26:25 pm
Come on you two fips and knitler , you were once epic friends , chill down its just a game, i love you both , and i love greys and hre and all others.

Are you gonna hate each other when bannerlord or melee bg coems out and form new clans , are you gonna hate urself there as well ? please just forget this and enjoy playing  :rolleyes:

Sorry, but he just lost all of the respect i had for him. Can't promise that time will heal that.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Butan on October 08, 2013, 08:28:13 pm
You don't need xp, but still play on eu1 with byzantium banner and on eu2 with GO banner  :rolleyes: Banner whoring at its best :P


U jelly he got friendz



Which banner are you whoring these days Cirilla ? :D
Heard you left Barabes because of lack of XP.



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Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on October 08, 2013, 08:30:16 pm
Which banner are you whoring these days Cirilla ? :D
Heard you left Barabes because of lack of XP.



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Which is funny because Cirilla is level 35 and using his own banner and not caring about exp anymore.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Falka on October 08, 2013, 08:34:33 pm
Which banner are you whoring these days Cirilla ? :D

Pff, tell me you wouldn't like to carry my banner and I'll call you bad names :P

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Heard you left Barabes because of lack of XP.

Actually they kicked me for lack of balls, but hows that my fault is beyond me :P

Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Butan on October 08, 2013, 11:04:50 pm
Pff, tell me you wouldn't like to carry my banner and I'll call you bad names :P

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Applied, coz lack of xp in OdE.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Sir_Smokealot on October 08, 2013, 11:22:33 pm
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I would never regret my leave, cause how you guys just keep and kept flaming on me like Erzengel (which i supported with some stuff), Netzwerg, Lange, Nikodin

Oh knitler you are such a poor guy. I was always there for you when you had pipi in you eyes because of someone who said something bad about you.
I cant remember that i said a single word to you after you left, and now you writing such bullshit. just poor knitler just poor.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Perverz on October 09, 2013, 08:09:57 am
cause you boys know i dont really need XP anymore
You don't need xp, but still play on eu1 with byzantium banner and on eu2 with GO banner  :rolleyes: Banner whoring at its best :P
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Heard you left Barabes because of lack of XP.

1. he left cuz of me
2. i cant tell for others but i get tons of xp in short time......
3. who needs banner for xp if you are valour whore ;)
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on October 09, 2013, 12:28:17 pm
So knitters admitted ti itembombing and got away with it :o you sly dog you ;)
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Lennu on October 09, 2013, 01:01:03 pm
Pff, tell me you wouldn't like to carry my banner and I'll call you bad names :P

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Actually they kicked me for lack of balls, but hows that my fault is beyond me :P

The last banner had more boobs in it  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Chris_the_Animal on October 09, 2013, 01:32:25 pm
Haha
this thread is funny
its Off-Topic only and kid rage
crpg at its best
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Ncromancien on October 09, 2013, 01:51:01 pm
Quote from: Falka
Actually they kicked me for lack of balls, but hows that my fault is beyond me :P

I thought you left because of Perverz retarded actions on forum  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on October 09, 2013, 02:36:28 pm
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Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Zomg on October 09, 2013, 03:34:33 pm
Got to say. Ladder-blocking of the siege-ladder is not against rule, nor should be. It was me who did it, and I will do it anytime that I can, in the future battles. Not because I am a dickwide, retard or a asshat. It is simply a tactic. Closing that ramp to the siege tower gives a good advantage to the troops inside that siege tower. By using the ladders and blocking the ramp to be opened, the attackers HAD TO BACK OFF, OPEN THE RAMP, AND NEVER CLOSE IT AGAIN.

Yup. I know some asshole or two will call on this but: in my opinion what I did was using my brains, rather than my muscles. If you can't deal with it, I am sorry.

Also: Herpag said if you are bug abusing, so shall we. Tho not bug abusing, if you find a creative way to fuck around, go ahead and do it. Item bombing is not one of them, like Kürtkulu people are doing.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: GRANDMOM on October 09, 2013, 04:51:23 pm
Long story short, you're all retards.

Me too?
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Bittersteel on October 09, 2013, 04:59:46 pm
Me too?


Oooh, shit is going down.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Zomg on October 09, 2013, 05:05:45 pm
You saying 'i will do it any time i can in the future battles' is exactly the attitude that tempts your enemies to abuse game mechanics too. I know your whole roster won't agree with you, in fact i've already seen Coalition people post in favour of reprimanding people for using these tactics.

[...]

When you item-bomb, while the fief is UNDER ATTACK, the fief owner has no power to fix that issue. When you item bomb the shit out of castle, you just make the defenders, under no circumstances, be able to take SIEGE and RANGED EQUIPMENT. There is no way to avoid that shit, apart from taking useless shit and suicide. However: when your ramp is blocked by a ladder, you can back the fuck up, open the hatch and move in. And they did. During the last Uhhun siege, at the last 20 minutes, enemy stopped closing the ramp.

If you are trying to compare those two (item bombing and laddering to the ramp) your brain is smaller than an Asian penis.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: bagge on October 09, 2013, 05:07:02 pm
Got to say. Ladder-blocking of the siege-ladder is not against rule, nor should be. It was me who did it, and I will do it anytime that I can, in the future battles. Not because I am a dickwide, retard or a asshat. It is simply a tactic. Closing that ramp to the siege tower gives a good advantage to the troops inside that siege tower. By using the ladders and blocking the ramp to be opened, the attackers HAD TO BACK OFF, OPEN THE RAMP, AND NEVER CLOSE IT AGAIN.

Yup. I know some asshole or two will call on this but: in my opinion what I did was using my brains, rather than my muscles. If you can't deal with it, I am sorry.

Then again you are a retard, so no suprises there.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Zomg on October 09, 2013, 05:18:39 pm
Then again you are a retard, so no suprises there.

OoooOoooOoooOoooO. Okay.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Strudog on October 09, 2013, 05:44:33 pm
With all the rules in the world, nothing plausible would ever come out of the diplomacy section, every thread resorts to name calling and we are all guilty of this
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Harpag on October 09, 2013, 08:19:49 pm
Right. No matter. We really wanted civilize this war, but you only pretend good intentions. Kiss my ass.

BTW: Who is Bittersteel?
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Fips on October 09, 2013, 08:33:43 pm
Right. No matter. We really wanted civilize this war, but you only pretend good intentions. Kiss my ass.

BTW: Who is Bittersteel?

Haha, oh my. Get off that high horse dude.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Knitler on October 09, 2013, 08:35:52 pm
Good, we still hate you, though. This post should have been posted when you left us and things would be a lot different now. But you decided to post some lame-ass thread there instead of being all open about your reasons. I hope you're not ignorant enough to see why we are flaming on you like that now.
Not going into detail to all of your reasons, although nice to know finally, imo you've lost the right to have a detailed discussion about this.

Also, i'm not thinking you would be getting those looms back, because the chance of those trades to be revertable now is almost non-existent.

Aha, maybe i changed, but everything seems that im not the total idiot you thinking of.
You still hate me? I dont have any rights for a discussion, maybe i´ll make it with the publicy? Not going into detail to all of my reasons?
I dont care, thats makes you look abit dump, was it abit to long so you didnt read anything and just kept writing stupid stuff about myselve?

Come on you two fips and knitler , you were once epic friends , chill down its just a game, i love you both , and i love greys and hre and all others.
Are you gonna hate each other when bannerlord or melee bg coems out and form new clans , are you gonna hate urself there as well ? please just forget this and enjoy playing  :rolleyes:

I dont hate him, i still dont. I hate nobody, i never did. I´m about to talk it out but these guys dont get it.

You don't need xp, but still play on eu1 with byzantium banner and on eu2 with GO banner  :rolleyes: Banner whoring at its best :P

Thats right, I dont need XP, would be funny if i hit Lvl.36 tho. I play with Byzantiums when they are online, never gonna play with the GO-Banner on EU1. On EU2 i will, i asked if its ok and it is, its not about XP. Its just that i want to play with some ppl, if you see me online somewhere, with any banner, im mostly in there TS and talking too.
You already told me that on EU2 once, i can fully understand it. If i wont be allowed to wear the banner im still gonna play on EU2, wont be much more fun cause of the team switch all the time, so teamplay wouldnt be there anyway, and i god damn love teamplay.

Oh knitler you are such a poor guy. I was always there for you when you had pipi in you eyes because of someone who said something bad about you.
I cant remember that i said a single word to you after you left, and now you writing such bullshit. just poor knitler just poor.

Yes, you where there. We had fun, i quit and watched how things go on. They moved good and bad. Turned out that HRE is flaming and hating on me, not everyone but the active siege players.
You dont hate me on EU1 cause you not there. You just hate me in Strat and on Siege which is quite funny, do you guys feel threatened by me? You dont have to write me PM´s how im talking bullshit and stuff. As i already said; Leave it be. You can still flame or hate me for the playstyle or awlpike i use, but thats just childish.

So knitters admitted ti itembombing and got away with it :o you sly dog you ;)

I admit to itembombed it, but it was no big deal. It was sorted out fairly fast.
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=5316 (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=5316) <- Thats the battle they got "itembombed" after my earlier attack. I dont see much difference of losses to the other fights....

Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Rebelyell on October 09, 2013, 08:42:26 pm
Right. No matter. We really wanted civilize this war, but you only pretend good intentions. Kiss my ass.

BTW: Who is Bittersteel?
lol If you really want to make some agreements speak to Rouge on ts,
diplomacy is only for drama and it looks like some people are very sensitive
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Bulzur on October 09, 2013, 08:44:36 pm
I admit to itembombed it, but it was no big deal. It was sorted out fairly fast.
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=5316 (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=5316) <- Thats the battle they got "itembombed" after my earlier attack. I dont see much difference of losses to the other fights....


Wait what ?

How is itembombing not a big deal if it's clearly intentional ?

Next thing we're going to see from Greys is skyladdering, and the usual :
*that's the battle where we skyladdered. Look, i don't see much difference of losses to the other fights*

That's one fucked up argument right there...


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Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: BASNAK on October 09, 2013, 08:50:38 pm
BTW: Who is Bittersteel?

Some kid from the Kalmar Union, called sir kurwa or fifi or something.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Knitler on October 09, 2013, 09:02:44 pm
Wait what ?

How is itembombing not a big deal if it's clearly intentional ?

Next thing we're going to see from Greys is skyladdering, and the usual :
*that's the battle where we skyladdered. Look, i don't see much difference of losses to the other fights*

That's one fucked up argument right there...

Let me answer that with another quote before i go to sleep again ;)

First of all, i "kinda" itembombed, yes. But thats no big deal and wasnt even heavily damaging you, it also was an accident, i just dumped my shit i had into the castle cause i thought you´ll sort it out anyway, it was like some seconds too late. I actually wanted to sell them, but it didnt worked, so i put the stuff in, NOT KNOWING why selling wasnt working, till Rogue came on TS and "kindly" told me how it worked. If you dont want to belive me go on.

Sorry for not knowing, i never had a fief ...
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Bittersteel on October 09, 2013, 09:12:32 pm
Right. No matter. We really wanted civilize this war, but you only pretend good intentions. Kiss my ass.

BTW: Who is Bittersteel?


I'm that third wheel that you can't get rid off.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Bulzur on October 09, 2013, 09:21:57 pm
Let me answer that with another quote before i go to sleep again ;)

Sorry for not knowing, i never had a fief ...

Didn't know that part.

Don't take fiefs if you don't know how to manage them ! :mrgreen:

And... i doubt it's hard to ask to people knowledgeable, especially when you claim you're often on TS.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Harpag on October 09, 2013, 09:24:48 pm
Haha, oh my. Get off that high horse dude.

Because of what, Mr. Scene Manager?

That video is especially for you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPCiW2xFKf4

And now keep your monkey joy and mute me because of diplomatic forum rules  :wink:

Some kid from the Kalmar Union, called sir kurwa or fifi or something.

Ah, sir kurwa, that explains a lot  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Osiris on October 09, 2013, 09:25:13 pm
but if you never get a fief how will you know how to manage them :D
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Nessaj on October 09, 2013, 09:25:30 pm
Item bombing = ban.

Serious offence.

Don't want to see another incident.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: mrrdhardy on October 09, 2013, 09:48:46 pm
NA took Fisdar... Pretty much sure that is 100% of what we wanted from EU. Thus ends the debate. NA has won strat, grats peasants!
The fact that they attacked a clan that had given up on strat and only had half a roster. Also the roster was around 95% EU members since they tried using there own members but failed every time so they decided not to use its own members and let the greys take it for them  8-).
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Harpag on October 09, 2013, 10:08:23 pm
Item bombing = ban.

Item bombing is nothing compared to this:
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Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Tyr_ on October 09, 2013, 10:27:57 pm
Item bombing is nothing compared to this:
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I'd say ban for stealing that wall, what next, will they try to sneak out with the keep or the gatehouse in their bags at night?
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: karasu on October 09, 2013, 10:33:46 pm
Interesting how cheating and exploiting still happens so often in here. Unleash hell, Nessaj.

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Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Butan on October 09, 2013, 11:12:07 pm
Item bombing is nothing compared to this:
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So that was the broken wall far off in the distance.
You saying it wasnt there from the beginning ?


I heard months ago about the "drivable" wall parts but I saw noone drive it to block your catapults. Did you see a Coalition guy in the sky, mounting a broken wall part to your respawn ?  :lol:

Anyway the front wall was completely down, there wasnt any other walls you could shoot from that direction; you would have needed to move the catapult somewhere else, avoiding the random obstacle.




Also, I heard there was some "agreements" to give the defenders time to sort out the shit Knitler put in the fief (voluntarily or not), was it respected or not ? What was the details of the backstage agreement ?

I can totally see some guys thinking this was completely planned and then the agreement wasnt respected one bit, putting blame on the factions currently attacking the Coalition. All this to try to capture a castle easily.
Then guys on attacks blame defenders because they use ladders to do unceremonial things. I can see that the "blaming defenders for defending" is still strong. Shame I see some friends doing that, when I was with them defending their fiefs or attacking their enemies, with the exact same manoeuvers some time ago. Bagge, dont do zis.

Also if one wanted to be 100% strict, ignoring the item-bombing does not protect from being punished for item-bombing.
Knitler, what really "didnt work" when you tried to sell the items that you had to manually transfer all your shit in a castle, selecting "Uhhun Castle" in a list of possibly more than one guy you could have transfered your items to? I guess you're not the only grey inside the besieged castle.

And a veteran like you never heard of item-bombing ? Never been in ONE STRAT FIGHT, where you saw yourself the effect of item-bombing and been explained how it happened ?


0% buying



100% entertained by all the shit going on though, will apply to more strat fights in the future and listen closely in TS



P.S.:
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Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Zomg on October 09, 2013, 11:50:47 pm
I like how I am being punished for a one-liner, where everyone is bullshitting. Perhaps I should write a wall of text, containing nothing but ego-boost, lies and uh... bullshit?

Yes. We actually discussed using a part of our wall to block Catapults. It is a grey-area, you know? And about the ladders used from the castles / cities. I have no idea why everyone is so butt-hurt about them. It is unrealistic? Forward-spawns are unrealistic. Equipment chests that you can spawn hundreds of ladders, siege shields, stakes and different equipment types are unrealistic. Using ladders to protect forward-spawns and key locations are unrealistic, as it is not the main purpose of the ladder itself. Claiming someone accidentally item-bombed a fief, who plays the game for some time is unrealistic. Item bombing the same Castle twice, in a row, and not stopping until someone goes and confronts them is unrealistic. A ladder was bugging the attacker ladders, at Uhhun Castle. When attackers asked, Coalition people destroyed that ladder, where it was used for archers. Knowing that and bitching about Coalition, not wanting a fair game is unrealistic.

Do you want me to continue?

After the itembomb, Sungetche had 113 different type of items. Just to avoid any problems, and knowing Kapıkulu would never stick with their word, we only put around 30 or so items back, where an another 50 remained on me, which was originally planned to be placed back.

But hey. Who cares about facts? Imaginary shit is always better.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Erasmas on October 10, 2013, 12:25:53 am

Just to avoid any problems, and knowing Kapıkulu would never stick with their word, we only put around 30 or so items back, where an another 50 remained on me, which was originally planned to be placed back.


Actually you are very wrong. At the beginning of the battle Ozan explained you struck the deal and asked us all to hold on with the attack to let you sort out the eq. Quite on contrary I was VERY surprised that you didn't stick to the deal cause I actually expected Coallition - of all factions - to follow to the word given...

Sad.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Rogue on October 10, 2013, 12:55:24 am
Actually you are very wrong. At the beginning of the battle Ozan explained you struck the deal and asked us all to hold on with the attack to let you sort out the eq. Quite on contrary I was VERY surprised that you didn't stick to the deal cause I actually expected Coallition - of all factions - to follow to the word given...

Sad.

I don't think I quite follow you here, in what way did we not honor the agreement? Our part of that deal was to get rid of the excess gear from the item bomb, which we, too our great relief, managed to do quite fast. The enemies part was to give us time to do that. If Ozan said something like to this effect, all glory to him, but what we saw was quite different. We were besieged the moment the battle started. Building cats and all the other assorted stuff is not exactly "giving time", because as the defender it is of course in our interest to deny the attacker doing this as best as we can. Which the item bomb denied us from doing from the get go. And yes, we did not have much faith in a word given by Kapilulu, which is hardly surprising. In the end it we managed to solve it, Kapis did not itembomb again, Cooties instilled the fear of the mighty banhammer into all future itembombers, so all is well.

Knitler only put a few items into a different castle, not even close to what Kapis did twice at Sungetche (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaHU86Ym2B4&feature=youtu.be), that happened already like a week ago and was quickly solved with a quick talk on TS. Although what he posted here differs from what he said on TS (you do not transfer to a castle by accident!), but whatever.

What great evil did we commit Harpag? Did the floating wall scare you? This was some kind of glitch caused by attacker catapults hitting something, the backwall of the castle to be precise. We had nothing to do with this, blame the bad aim of attackers engineers and the almighty strat bugs for this.

Regarding the blocking of siege towers: it is not against the rules, but at the same time it is kind of glitchy and cheesy, but so is building a siege tower inside the enemies wall/tower f.e. There is still a lot of stuff possible in strat that is bullshit, but not covered by the rules or, even explicitly allowed but everyone hates it (like the gravity defying ladders). Lots of people still mistake those with true forbidden skyladders. Personally i would prefer something like this (http://forum.melee.org/strategus-general-discussion/so-46698/msg739343/#msg739343).
But ladders aside there is so much wrong, crappy and buggy about strat sieges (no matter if defender or attacker), from maps to game mechanics and I don't think we will see any major improvements/fixes in this round anymore. We can always expand on the strat rules haboe started though, talking to us directly is more effective towards that end though, than playing the village idiot in the diplomacy forum with the rest of the heroes.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Vermilion on October 10, 2013, 03:34:15 am
Just to avoid any problems, and knowing Kapıkulu would never stick with their word
I don't think I quite follow you here, in what way did we not honor the agreement? Our part of that deal was to get rid of the excess gear from the item bomb, which we, too our great relief, managed to do quite fast. The enemies part was to give us time to do that. If Ozan said something like to this effect, all glory to him, but what we saw was quite different. We were besieged the moment the battle started. Building cats and all the other assorted stuff is not exactly "giving time", because as the defender it is of course in our interest to deny the attacker doing this as best as we can. Which the item bomb denied us from doing from the get go. And yes, we did not have much faith in a word given by Kapilulu, which is hardly surprising.


As Eramas said - After roll call and before the battle, Ozan explained 2 or 3 times to everyone on TS that your castle was suffering from being "item bombed" and he had agreed with you (Rogue) that we (the attackers) would give some time at the start of the battle for you to ditch some items to clear the "item bomb".

When the siege's defenders prep time started some of your defender spawned with construction sites, materials and ranged weapons. (all the items which get affected by an "item bomb") And defenders started building.

This confused us as to why you have requested time to fix the item bomb and we asked Ozan what to do. He said to wait so he could ask you.

The siege started and the attackers spawned, we where immediately shot upon by your ranged (attackers not honoring the previously agreed 'peace' time before starting an attack).

As the defenders where already building and shooting at the attackers, Ozan gave the command to begin the siege (There where also people asking in chat as to why the defenders started straight away, to which got no reply (at least at the start)).


--

As an attacker, I was not told why we where going to give you time to sort your equipment (didn't know it was knitter, thought it was just equip from previous fight) and seeing the lack of honor in strat I thought it was the wrong move to make by Ozan.
Then to see the defenders spawn sites/material etc and to immediately attack (ranged shooting spawn as we spawned) just confirmed my thinking.
It came across as a pathetic attempt to waste some time at the start of the battle.



TL:DR
Ozan agreed to give defenders time to fix "item bomb" and ordered this to his mercs.
Defenders spawned with sites/ranged weapons and ranged immediately attacked the attackers.
So Ozan started to siege the castle.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Erasmas on October 10, 2013, 03:52:56 am
I don't think I quite follow you here, in what way did we not honor the agreement? Our part of that deal was to get rid of the excess gear from the item bomb, which we, too our great relief, managed to do quite fast. The enemies part was to give us time to do that.

I understand and respect your point of view Rouge, but try to see the other side's perception.  We all were under clear - and repeated - orders to get ready, but to hold the attack until you guys are ready.  Let me just say I got the first arrow in a head exactly the moment I spawned. So clearly you were really really fast sorting this eq shit out. Well done. You could have say in chat that it's done, but the arrows sent a clear message as well. Leaving, however, somewhat bad aftertaste in mouth. And then Zomg's post...  :rolleyes:

Let me stress one thing - itembombing is not ok, and for the sake of mere fun of the battles, rules aside, should not be used by any side. I was sad to learn that Knitler did that, but then he fairly admitted he did, for whatever reason it happned. Kudos, Knitler. The personal conflicts between you guys are your own business, sort it out among yourself.

What great evil did we commit Harpag? Did the floating wall scare you? This was some kind of glitch caused by attacker catapults hitting something, the backwall of the castle to be precise. We had nothing to do with this, blame the bad aim of attackers engineers and the almighty strat bugs for this.

We had a serious laugh when we saw that flying wall.  Noone sane can treat such an obvious glitch as someone's wrongdoing, and there were jokes on TS and chat that you guys have some power to move walls and place them exactly in front of our catas. So relax a bit and try to keep some sense of humor for fuck sake, instead of being passive aggressive  :D

As to the ladders blocking the towers, building towers in walls and other shit like that, I guess it is going to be difficult to agree that we all won't do that, especially that there are no clear rules and there is to many guys to control. So let's  make another deal - you will abuse game mechanics and glitches in your favour and we will abuse ours. And let's keep bitching about them, maybe one day they got fixed... Although some rules could be agreed as well...
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Butan on October 10, 2013, 03:57:45 am
From what I heard on TS, they were only a few items beyond access so most of the usual stuff spawned right at the beginning.
We got no orders to "hold fire", just that we would use our first tickets to suicide with stuff, then we would have access to siege stuff and begin right away, without chatting with the attackers that "WE ARE READY".

Dont know what was the details on how it should have went from your side, but I guess being shot at from ranged was the signal to begin the siege, so all in all, everyone respected the agreement  :mrgreen: (most people must have ignored the chat at the beginning, I didnt notice anything strange).
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Bohannon on October 10, 2013, 11:41:23 am
Well, if you weren't able to choose your regular items and you've had to clean your inventory choices, we would have waited until you could fight properly and we would wait for it as Ozan explained in TS before battle. But you could choose your all items and weapons as you got used to it.

So please do not try to blame or accuse us. There was no unusual thing when we compared the old battles at the begining. Just a flying wall which built with snowflakes and wind by invisible architect.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Charlemagne_De_Kingsmith on October 10, 2013, 12:09:17 pm
What really is this coalition?
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: GRANDMOM on October 10, 2013, 12:41:38 pm
What really is this coalition?

http://forum.melee.org/faction-halls/%28hre%29-holy-roman-empire-%28recruiting-eu-na-archers-shielders-wanted!%29/ (ftp://forum.melee.org/faction-halls/%28hre%29-holy-roman-empire-%28recruiting-eu-na-archers-shielders-wanted!%29/)
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: bagge on October 10, 2013, 12:58:14 pm
Yes. We actually discussed using a part of our wall to block Catapults. It is a grey-area, you know? And about the ladders used from the castles / cities. I have no idea why everyone is so butt-hurt about them. It is unrealistic? Forward-spawns are unrealistic. Equipment chests that you can spawn hundreds of ladders, siege shields, stakes and different equipment types are unrealistic. Using ladders to protect forward-spawns and key locations are unrealistic, as it is not the main purpose of the ladder itself. Claiming someone accidentally item-bombed a fief, who plays the game for some time is unrealistic. Item bombing the same Castle twice, in a row, and not stopping until someone goes and confronts them is unrealistic. A ladder was bugging the attacker ladders, at Uhhun Castle. When attackers asked, Coalition people destroyed that ladder, where it was used for archers. Knowing that and bitching about Coalition, not wanting a fair game is unrealistic.

Are you for real? Oh wait,

Then again you are a retard, so no suprises there.

Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Panos_ on October 10, 2013, 01:35:07 pm
Use of siege equipment:

          1) Ladders
                    1.1) Floating ladders. You are not allowed to stay on floating ladders. If for some reason your ladder becomes floating, you are to get off it, even if it means suicide.
                    1.2) Ladderplacement. For now there are no rules on unrealistic ladders, so they are allowed. (as long as you keep the other rules in mind)
                    1.3) Siege-equipment on ladders is not allowed. This includes using siege shields, other ladders and everything you can make with a construction-site.
                    1.4) Ladders in open battles (anti cav) are allowed as long as the ladder is legit according to rule 1.2.
                    1.5) Cavalry is allowed to use ladders.


Your tears about my usage of the ladders, taste delicious. The start of the ladders that I use, always touch solid ground. I always make fun of GO and DRZ and their exploiting to gain victory, I would be the least dumb to do the same thing and then insisting on making fun of them.

As long as Rogue accepts me to his battles, I`ll keep doing it, because god damn it feels good everytime I land on your Forward Spawn seeing you wankers panicking while I destroy it like a motherfucking boss.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Zomg on October 10, 2013, 01:48:13 pm
Are you for real? Oh wait,

Says someone who uses wooden stakes to make their Siege Tower unmoveable, but bitches when ladders are used to block the ramp. lol.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: bagge on October 10, 2013, 01:49:16 pm
Says someone who uses wooden stakes to make their Siege Ladder unmoveable, but bitches when ladders are used to block the ramp. lol.

Siege Ladder is unmovable? No shit :wink:
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Zomg on October 10, 2013, 01:53:37 pm
Siege Ladder is unmovable? No shit :wink:

Siege Tower, not ladder.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Erasmas on October 10, 2013, 01:58:27 pm
I`ll keep doing it, because god damn it feels good everytime I land on your Forward Spawn seeing you wankers panicking while I destroy it like a motherfucking boss.

You are more than welcome Panos, jugding by your stats in most of battles you do more harm than good to the defenders....
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Panos_ on October 10, 2013, 02:19:02 pm
Well sorry that I`m not a K/D hunter to increase my epeen like Varadin or Knitler, but I`m from the guys who like to follow orders, so when I`m told  that I have to go out and kill the enemy catapult, I`ll do it until the job is done, when I`m told to jump and kill your forward base, that I`ll do.

Besides, I`m more skilled than 90% of your roster, and we can put it on the test anytime.   :wink:

Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Butan on October 10, 2013, 02:21:17 pm
You are more than welcome Panos, jugding by your stats in most of battles you do more harm than good to the defenders....

Forward point acrobat is a risky bizness.

10 lives to destroy 1 FP, in the end it was

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Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: woody on October 10, 2013, 02:42:18 pm
Way the Coalition did not honour equipment - shot at us from first moment of battle for a start while we were doing nothing on Kapis orders.

Then insulted Kapis obscenely for 10 minutes while Rogue said nothing, pathetic.

Then again so many people one eyed in game they probably think thats ok but if I were a Kapi thats the last last goodwill gesture I'd make. Not like the defense exploit every bug going from taking material out of the attackers material store to glitch it to flying ladders from wall top to glitch attackers ladders. These are glitches like an item bomb.

When Kapis benefit from a glitch you say its cheating, when you deliberately exploit glitches its clever play. I am now starting to understand the genuine ill will that exists in this game, the hypocrisy stinks.

Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Vovka on October 10, 2013, 02:44:58 pm
Forward point acrobat is a risky bizness.

10 lives to destroy 1 FB, in the end it was

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so each FB cost 1cs and 35 materials
on each siege drz take 60 cs and 1800 materials
question: how many panoses def needed for waste it all? if each one from panoses need 10 lives to destroy 1  FB :P
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Butan on October 10, 2013, 02:49:30 pm
From what I know now, I seriously think the Kapikulus respected their words, and the Coalition wasnt polite in not "displaying" that they were ready to engage the fight, but it was more a lack of micro-management than a deliberate attempt to fuck you up.

Rogue wouldnt have wasted 5 minutes telling us to waste our lives to waste items if he knew we would have almost 0 item-bombing problems.

Big respect for Kapi if you really managed to hold your men at the beginning of the siege, sorry you didnt receive any warnings on our battle-ready, but the spirit was there.


so each FB cost 1cs and 35 materials
on each siege drz take 60 cs and 1800 materials
question: how many panoses def needed for waste it all? if each one from panoses need 10 lives to destroy 1  FB :P


Would probably need more than one panos, and god knows one panos is already too much  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Zomg on October 10, 2013, 02:52:11 pm
so each FB cost 1cs and 35 materials
on each siege drz take 60 cs and 1800 materials
question: how many panoses def needed for waste it all? if each one from panoses need 10 lives to destroy 1  FB :P

Not sure if you are new to this very simple concept or not but if attackers are not attacking, they can not win. When the forward-base is gone, you have to rebuild it again, reset your spawns, place ladders to protect it. Which means, every 10 times that a greek peasant (in this case, Panos) dies, attackers has to stop and rebuild every single shit. Over and over.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Keshian on October 10, 2013, 03:07:27 pm
Can we PLEASE get back on topic?  How EU wouldn't stand a chance invading NA?
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Erasmas on October 10, 2013, 03:09:54 pm
From what I know now, I seriously think the Kapikulus respected their words, and the Coalition wasnt polite in not "displaying" that they were ready to engage the fight, but it was more a lack of micro-management than a deliberate attempt to fuck you up.

Rogue wouldnt have wasted 5 minutes telling us to waste our lives to waste items if he knew we would have almost 0 item-bombing problems.

Big respect for Kapi if you really managed to hold your men at the beginning of the siege, sorry you didnt receive any warnings on our battle-ready, but the spirit was there.



Would probably need more than one panos, and god knows one panos is already too much  :mrgreen:

I'd give you +2 on these :)

Can we PLEASE get back on topic?  How EU wouldn't stand a chance invading NA?

Troll.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Vovka on October 10, 2013, 03:10:28 pm
Can we PLEASE get back on topic?  How EU wouldn't stand a chance invading NA?
U not deserve to be invaded!
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Fips on October 10, 2013, 03:47:08 pm
Yeah, let's talk about how unhonourable Coalition is by not following a deal after being itembombed for the second time in a very short period of time. If you itembomb someone (And thus doing it with the intention to do so, you do not itembomb someone by accident) you have no right to complain about some stupid deal not being hold on to. Plus, from what i've heard there was some guy on your TS beforehand and not getting accepted, thus coming over to COA TS and telling the guys that Kapis decided not to stick to any deal. Whether that's true or not, the fact remains that the most unhonourable thing here is the itembomb itself. Hypocrisy at it's best.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on October 10, 2013, 03:53:51 pm
Yeah, let's talk about how unhonourable Coalition is by not following a deal after being itembombed for the second time in a very short period of time. If you itembomb someone (And thus doing it with the intention to do so, you do not itembomb someone by accident) you have no right to complain about some stupid deal not being hold on to. Plus, from what i've heard there was some guy on your TS beforehand and not getting accepted, thus coming over to COA TS and telling the guys that Kapis decided not to stick to any deal. Whether that's true or not, the fact remains that the most unhonourable thing here is the itembomb itself stacking of over 10k troops to abuse the 1/3 rule. Hypocrisy at it's best.
Ftfy
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: woody on October 10, 2013, 04:04:04 pm
Fips - if you allow someone to clear a problem as a good will gesture and they dont hold to deal to signal to not attack they've done nothing wrong? Just how retarded are you? You come up with these extremely stupid arguments a five year old can see through and you think you are clever. The only person you convince is yourself.

The guy saying not to stick to deal was either lying or you are, theres 51 guys on TS who know this. More Fips cleverness only a Fips would fall for maybe?

And regarding anyone who says defenders sky ladders are not a glitch exploit - ladders should not have magic force fields that extend below them to glitch other ladders.

Bored of this now - let both sides just exploit every bug/glitch not banned by EU3 rules and have done with it. Probably the fairest way if people cannot be trusted to honour agreements.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Keshian on October 10, 2013, 04:17:19 pm
You should roster for the Greys in an open field battle some time when they're attackers xD really funny stuff, people who usually do will know what i'm talking about ;P 'oh no, our construction site! We needed that! And all we got was all this green...'

30mins later of rinse and repeat, flags are capped. Epic lolz.

Honestly, sometimes they're small siege towers or healing tents xD but they always bring in the green as defenders push. And all attackers need is green.

Actually in the HRE open field battles against Grey all I would see is tons of green on HRE side as grey desperately tried to protect their csite that was over-extended and too far from their current spawn so they would filter in rather than be able to attack as a mass where being all strength crutchers in full plate really is helpful.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Vermilion on October 10, 2013, 04:27:45 pm
Plus, from what i've heard there was some guy on your TS beforehand and not getting accepted, thus coming over to COA TS and telling the guys that Kapis decided not to stick to any deal. Whether that's true or not, the fact remains that the most unhonourable thing here is the itembomb itself. Hypocrisy at it's best.

I think you should name and shame (tell us who told you someone did this and then work out who the person was that switched TS's)

Ozan made it very clear that we would give you time to sort your equipment out. (he repeated it 2 or 3 times to make sure everyone heard and understood)

Also, no one is denying that item-bombing is unhonourable (or more/less than anything else). That's why Ozan agreed to give you time to sort it, why Knitter has apologised etc.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: GRANDMOM on October 10, 2013, 04:32:11 pm
Cookies anyone??
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Fips on October 10, 2013, 04:41:56 pm
I think you should name and shame (tell us who told you someone did this and then work out who the person was that switched TS's)

Ozan made it very clear that we would give you time to sort your equipment out. (he repeated it 2 or 3 times to make sure everyone heard and understood)

Also, no one is denying that item-bombing is unhonourable (or more/less than anything else). That's why Ozan agreed to give you time to sort it, why Knitter has apologised etc.

Some NA dude, don't remember the name myself, but i'm sure Rogue or any of the other guys who were on TS could tell you. So he probably lied for whatever reason. Still, now to push the blame to COA is stupid. But whatever, i should rather go talk to a wall, those things are probably more reasonable than some people here (Not talking about you Vermillion, just so you know).
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Erasmas on October 10, 2013, 04:43:31 pm
Yeah, let's talk about how unhonourable Coalition is by not following a deal after being itembombed for the second time in a very short period of time. If you itembomb someone (And thus doing it with the intention to do so, you do not itembomb someone by accident) you have no right to complain about some stupid deal not being hold on to. Plus, from what i've heard there was some guy on your TS beforehand and not getting accepted, thus coming over to COA TS and telling the guys that Kapis decided not to stick to any deal. Whether that's true or not, the fact remains that the most unhonourable thing here is the itembomb itself. Hypocrisy at it's best.

I truly don't get it.

Fips, I cant see any hypocrisy here. Noone said itembombing is ok. Even Kapis sort of agred to that and decided to agree the terms of sorting this shit out with you. The perception of attackers was that you did not hold to this deal. Rogue xplained the reason and how you see this thing, and I personally understand it and totally buy the explanation.  But now are saying that "If you itembomb someone (And thus doing it with the intention to do so, you do not itembomb someone by accident) you have no right to complain about some stupid deal not being hold on to.".

Hm. Just in case we will keep in mind that whenever you make any deal with GO (whetever fuckup it is going to resolve) there will always be a risk that you guys will think it is "stupid" and that there are cases when you may withdraw from it. Whether that happend this time, I don't know, not after your words.

[edit] End of this topic for me. Water under the bridge.

Cookies anyone??

Yes please  :D
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: GRANDMOM on October 10, 2013, 05:01:16 pm
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Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: vipere on October 10, 2013, 05:36:03 pm
Mon Dieu !

This is entertaining.

Can i have a warning ? here a picture of a mexican :

(click to show/hide)

Thanks.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Knitler on October 10, 2013, 05:36:35 pm
As an attacker, I was not told why we where going to give you time to sort your equipment (didn't know it was knitter, thought it was just equip from previous fight) and seeing the lack of honor in strat I thought it was the wrong move to make by Ozan.

Wasnt me cause i never was at a siege of sungetche so far ... maybe today .... maybe.

Item bombing is nothing compared to this:
(click to show/hide)

That bug is back again or wut oo?
But harpag, seriously. Its cause of the catas. There are some battles some time ago;
As you can see you could have walked up the wall even it was vertical normal.
Was Jamiche Castle i guess.

(click to show/hide)

Also if one wanted to be 100% strict, ignoring the item-bombing does not protect from being punished for item-bombing.
Knitler, what really "didnt work" when you tried to sell the items that you had to manually transfer all your shit in a castle, selecting "Uhhun Castle" in a list of possibly more than one guy you could have transfered your items to? I guess you're not the only grey inside the besieged castle.

And a veteran like you never heard of item-bombing ? Never been in ONE STRAT FIGHT, where you saw yourself the effect of item-bombing and been explained how it happened ?

Knitler only put a few items into a different castle, not even close to what Kapis did twice at Sungetche (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaHU86Ym2B4&feature=youtu.be), that happened already like a week ago and was quickly solved with a quick talk on TS. Although what he posted here differs from what he said on TS (you do not transfer to a castle by accident!), but whatever.


@Rogue/Butan Already told you what happened, and no im playing strat for like 2 Years now, never got confronted with item bomb, i heard of it ... the first time when NA guys did it ... it was actually Kesh (no blame there)
Specially with much -Low/Peasant Equip, also fought some battles where it also happened, never knowing how.

Short: I couldnt sell the stuff cause the castle was already attacked (which i didnt knew, cause greys told me to leave some minutes for rogue to get stuff out) and i thought that i would dump my stuff in there so he is gonna sort it, cause i wanted to get rid of that stuff to go back to my waypoint. It seems rogue was faster putting it out.

I actually thought of the 2hrs for attackers and 6hrs for defenders to still do stuff. Still once and for all sorry.

Can we PLEASE get back on topic?  How EU wouldn't stand a chance invading NA?

Isnt the topic: "Has the coalition given up?"?

Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Bittersteel on October 10, 2013, 06:08:55 pm
Mon Dieu !

This is entertaining.

Can i have a warning ? here a picture of a mexican :

(click to show/hide)

Thanks.


This one is better

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Harpag on October 10, 2013, 06:11:41 pm
That bug is back again or wut oo?
But harpag, seriously. Its cause of the catas. There are some battles some time ago;
As you can see you could have walked up the wall even it was vertical normal.
Was Jamiche Castle i guess.

Maybe I'm very naive, because I acted on assumption that if I show visually attractive bug in the middle of flame, it will increase chance for fix  :oops:
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Perverz on October 10, 2013, 10:01:05 pm
too much text
didnt read anything.......continue with discussion ;)
im go back to listen to music and feed my ostrich's ;)

but this:
Thats right, I dont need XP, would be funny if i hit Lvl.36 tho. I play with Byzantiums when they are online, never gonna play with the GO-Banner on EU1. On EU2 i will, i asked if its ok and it is, its not about XP. Its just that i want to play with some ppl, if you see me online somewhere, with any banner, im mostly in there TS and talking too.

 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Bittersteel on October 10, 2013, 10:09:32 pm
(click to show/hide)

Nevermind, silly me.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Tactical_One on October 10, 2013, 11:36:16 pm
According to topic im more worried what is happening to greys. Since some of them i see they fill opposite roster. This nice  war we have should't end too fast
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Erasmas on October 11, 2013, 01:02:08 am
According to topic im more worried what is happening to greys. Since some of them i see they fill opposite roster. This nice  war we have should't end too fast

Not much is happening, thank you. If you watched carefully you would notice that no grey guys sign up against us in GO's battles. Some our guys, however, have their history and have their... ehm... preferences as to the sides they fight for in ... ehm... certain other battles. 8-) We are not overly fanatic about this. Or anything else if that matters :D
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Zomg on October 11, 2013, 02:45:05 am
According to topic im more worried what is happening to greys. Since some of them i see they fill opposite roster. This nice  war we have should't end too fast

I don't agree to that. Those who are fighting with Coalition, are fighting with us because they don't like Kapıkulu. They hate it to some extend. And they have every right to have hatred towards Kapıkulu. But when a Siege occurs between Coalition and GO, they will roster for themselves. Which is okay.

Funny thing it is. Both sides, their allies (not entirely perhaps, but still) and enemies hate Kapıkulu the same. That surely must say something.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Vovka on October 11, 2013, 07:45:06 am
I don't agree to that. Those who are fighting with Coalition, are fighting with us because they don't like Kapıkulu. They hate it to some extend. And they have every right to have hatred towards Kapıkulu. But when a Siege occurs between Coalition and GO, they will roster for themselves. Which is okay.
Funny thing it is. Both sides, their allies (not entirely perhaps, but still) and enemies hate Kapıkulu the same. That surely must say something.
I see here another guy with cancer   :P But in this case, brain cancer  :?
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: GRANDMOM on October 11, 2013, 08:30:20 am
I don't agree to that. Those who are fighting with Coalition, are fighting with us because they don't like Kapıkulu. They hate it to some extend. And they have every right to have hatred towards Kapıkulu. But when a Siege occurs between Coalition and GO, they will roster for themselves. Which is okay.

Funny thing it is. Both sides, their allies (not entirely perhaps, but still) and enemies hate Kapıkulu the same. That surely must say something.

Seems you have been hiding behind those mountains to long and that they make your views of Calradia somewhat dim - Vovka is right

I know alot of people that respect the Kapis, I for one do it and I think I can speak for the Wolves in this matter aswell, during the war against the mercs Kapis stood firmly by us allthough they faced the risk of being wiped for doing so. - RESPECT

Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Segd on October 11, 2013, 09:35:10 am
I don't agree to that. Those who are fighting with Coalition, are fighting with us because they don't like Kapıkulu. They hate it to some extend. And they have every right to have hatred towards Kapıkulu. But when a Siege occurs between Coalition and GO, they will roster for themselves. Which is okay.

Funny thing it is. Both sides, their allies (not entirely perhaps, but still) and enemies hate Kapıkulu the same. That surely must say something.
Nope, only you hate Kapis. We have Mercs to hate  :lol:
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Kalp on October 11, 2013, 09:48:36 am
I love Kapikulu for building forward base in battle 1500 vs 200  :lol:
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Strudog on October 11, 2013, 09:56:02 am
I see here another guy with cancer   :P But in this case, brain cancer  :?

Cancer is not a word you can chuck around here mate
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Harpag on October 11, 2013, 11:29:54 am
Nope, only you hate Kapis. We have Mercs to hate  :lol:

No. We had Mercs to hate  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: bavvoz on October 11, 2013, 11:33:04 am
Im still standing so u can hate me all u want :)
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Vovka on October 11, 2013, 12:33:12 pm
No. We had Mercs to hate  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:
STAY AWAY FROM OUR MERCS! WAR!
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Im still standing so u can hate me all u want :)
get away! do not bother us to argue
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Harpag on October 11, 2013, 12:43:00 pm
STAY AWAY FROM OUR MERCS! WAR!
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What? YOUR MERCS? Mercs have always been OUR main enemy, not your! Jebać DrużynÄ™  :P

Im still standing so u can hate me all u want :)

Get away! Do not bother us to argue!
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: bavvoz on October 11, 2013, 01:14:37 pm
Wooah easy now im just saying hi :D
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Segd on October 11, 2013, 01:19:42 pm
What? YOUR MERCS? Mercs have always been OUR main enemy, not your! Jebać DrużynÄ™  :P
This means WAR! Now you should attack the desert! Attacking only hight populated castles appreciated  :twisted: You could start from Samarra.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Erasmas on October 11, 2013, 01:27:02 pm
I personally hate desert. Warm, stinking camels and no water  :D
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: GRANDMOM on October 11, 2013, 06:08:25 pm
I personally hate desert. Warm, stinking camels and no water  :D

Think u got it wrong Erasmus - DRZ are russians, which not even are closely related  to camels
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Erasmas on October 11, 2013, 06:29:50 pm
Think u got it wrong Erasmus - DRZ are russians, which not even are closely related  to camels

So you still are not decided which part you wanna join in the war called "These were my Mercs", right?  :D :D :D :D

Sort of by the way: it came to my mind that we have an excelent source of income here: We will organize trips to Dhirim to make public shows with the old teethless tiger pussy in the cage, for silver. The demand for this kind of entertainment may not be overwhelming, but still ...  :D
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: GRANDMOM on October 11, 2013, 09:12:52 pm
So you still are not decided which part you wanna join in the war called "These were my Mercs", right?  :D :D :D :D

Sort of by the way: it came to my mind that we have an excelent source of income here: We will organize trips to Dhirim to make public shows with the old teethless tiger pussy in the cage, for silver. The demand for this kind of entertainment may not be overwhelming, but still ...  :D

Im not joining any part in that war, to me it seems they were OUR mercs - feel free to join that belief - we took them by surprise, we broke them, opened them up, embarrased them, took most of their fiefs,  hunted their lords to oblivion and all that with very limited resources compared to yours, thanks for keeping them focused on your armies in Dhirim while we did though  :D :D :D

The cage could be a good thing though, but I dont think anyone would pay much to see kittens inside a cage.....:)
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Tyr_ on October 11, 2013, 09:28:18 pm
Greys were fighting us while we were active, you fought us while we were inactive. I think they are the ones that can say "They are our main enemy"
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: GRANDMOM on October 11, 2013, 09:46:32 pm
Greys were fighting us while we were active, you fought us while we were inactive. I think they are the ones that can say "They are our main enemy"

But you seemed pretty active to us until you lost all those fiefs, both in forums and on the map, at least from the scout reports we had and from what we saw ourselfs in terms of moving merc armies and traders. Could have fooled us, who were moving all those mercs around while we took your fiefs???
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Osiris on October 11, 2013, 10:04:28 pm
mercs have been semi active at best since i joined :P the long period where greys etc didn't play really killed activity. im just hoping for a reset soonish to get everyone active :D
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: GRANDMOM on October 11, 2013, 10:55:39 pm
mercs have been semi active at best since i joined :P the long period where greys etc didn't play really killed activity. im just hoping for a reset soonish to get everyone active :D

I think your way of describing it, Osiris, is true, Im sure you werent peaking at all when counting active stratplayers at the time you got attacked by us or greys. But Im sure there were at least 12-15 different mercs moving around during our attacks. At mercs primetime in strat you could field alot more active guys than that I guess. Hope u get back on your feet for next strat.

Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Osiris on October 11, 2013, 11:07:58 pm
i hope we roleplay actual mercs and get to fight for all sides for gold/land but somehow i think mercs current enemies wont allow it :(
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Harpag on October 11, 2013, 11:37:06 pm
mercs have been semi active at best since i joined :P the long period where greys etc didn't play really killed activity. im just hoping for a reset soonish to get everyone active :D

we didn't play cos of heavy fishy banwave caused by bitching so you really killed activity and mercs btw and not we, moreover that's bullshit, cos you lost enthusiasm for game when you realized that you're not able to wipe us, even when we didn't play  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Osiris on October 11, 2013, 11:40:54 pm
i was templol when all that went down so im not 100% sure on what mercs did or involvement :D I just know that as strat goes on and on with no end in sight more and more people get bored :D Afaik there was nothing fishy about the banwave as most of union was cheating :D



Buuut my big hope for next strat is no more fief voting. and different alliances/wars because I was templar in strat 1 so ive been fighting DRZ/UIF for so damn long i get bored :D i just wanna do something different hence Wessex ^^
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Zomg on October 12, 2013, 12:38:38 am
I am kind of late but... those who respect Kapıkulu?

LOL.

HAHAHAHAHA.

Yeh. Sure.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Erasmas on October 12, 2013, 12:41:47 am
Buuut my big hope for next strat is no more fief voting. and different alliances/wars because I was templar in strat 1 so ive been fighting DRZ/UIF for so damn long i get bored :D i just wanna do something different hence Wessex ^^

Well, you know, you can always join GO, have a chance to fight someone else   :P
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Panos_ on October 12, 2013, 12:47:23 am
yeah, join GO and see how it feels to be a cheater  :wink:
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Zomg on October 12, 2013, 12:48:54 am
yeah, join GO and see how it feels to be a cheater  :wink:

Oh no you didn't.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Erasmas on October 12, 2013, 12:51:33 am
yeah, join GO and see how it feels to be a cheater  :wink:

Well, if you wouldn't be such a troll Banos, I'd invite you too to see for yourself :)
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: bagge on October 12, 2013, 10:22:34 am
yeah, join GO and see how it feels to be a cheater  :wink:

You're so cute sometimes Panos.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Panos_ on October 12, 2013, 10:42:04 am
You're so cute sometimes Panos.

Well, if you wouldn't be such a troll Banos, I'd invite you too to see for yourself :)


Calling GO cheaters, is not something I made up, various members of your clan got banned for cheating in the past, so actually my statement is not biased nor made up.

Basically if you think of it, GO has cheated in all of the strategus rounds so far..

You people are a fucking joke  :lol:
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Falka on October 12, 2013, 12:12:06 pm
we didn't play cos of heavy fishy banwave

http://forum.melee.org/closed-requests/ban-18528/

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Just for the record- last round more than 100 greys logged in from one IP. Over one hundred warband keys from a single household. Your fucked up sense of fairness is what forces us to take steps like this in the first place. So would you kindly get rid of this attitude?

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Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: bagge on October 12, 2013, 12:41:03 pm

Calling GO cheaters, is not something I made up, various members of your clan got banned for cheating in the past, so actually my statement is not biased nor made up.

Basically if you think of it, GO has cheated in all of the strategus rounds so far..

You people are a fucking joke  :lol:

Which they already payed for. The bans are almost a year old, get over it already!

And as you said, they did it in the past :wink:
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Strudog on October 12, 2013, 01:44:23 pm
Which they already payed for. The bans are almost a year old, get over it already!

And as you said, they did it in the past :wink:

Thats because all their 100 brothers and sisters play now in the same house
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Butan on October 12, 2013, 01:45:06 pm
i hope we roleplay actual mercs and get to fight for all sides for gold/land but somehow i think mercs current enemies wont allow it :(


Would be nice if you tried to do that  :wink:


If you choose to seek out "contracts" I'm sure there will be plenty of people interested.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Panos_ on October 12, 2013, 01:47:20 pm
Which they already payed for. The bans are almost a year old, get over it already!

And as you said, they did it in the past :wink:


Once a cheater, always a cheater.

We have a Greek saying "It`s better to lose your eye, than the trust of your name".


Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Gurnisson on October 12, 2013, 01:53:31 pm
We have a Greek saying "It`s better to lose your eye, than the trust of your name".

No wonder it's going that bad in Greece
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Torben on October 12, 2013, 02:01:36 pm
i hope we roleplay actual mercs and get to fight for all sides for gold/land but somehow i think mercs current enemies wont allow it :(

I wasnt part of strat one,  but of what ive heard this role they had there was great.  Prolly the funnest thing to do,  but you can only pull it through if you are strong enough to be untouchable i guess.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: serr on October 12, 2013, 02:06:39 pm
Or if you have nothing to lose.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Strudog on October 12, 2013, 02:37:08 pm
I wasnt part of strat one,  but of what ive heard this role they had there was great.  Prolly the funnest thing to do,  but you can only pull it through if you are strong enough to be untouchable i guess.

Thats the way all mercs have wanted it to go, but we keep being pulled back into the east v west war
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: bagge on October 12, 2013, 03:28:50 pm

Once a cheater, always a cheater.


Not really.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Vermilion on October 12, 2013, 03:46:39 pm
In the next update the 1/3 rule will be ignored when you attack with 1.800 or more troops. The maximum battle time depends on the smaller army only: with 1.800 troops you get ~80 minutes, to get the maximum of 3 hours you would need ~9.300 troops with the current formula (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=plot+x^0.56+-+1.15^%28x%2F2000%29+%2B+15+from+x%3D100+to+9300).

I'll quote this here just to make sure everyone has seen.. No ETA for strat update #2 but hopefully it will be soon.

Will be interesting to see if this actually changes anyone's tactics and how it effects the current war against Coalition.

EDIT - ETA now given as 1 to 2 weeks
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: bagge on October 12, 2013, 03:47:52 pm
Thats because all their 100 brothers and sisters play now in the same house

 :mrgreen:

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Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Butan on October 12, 2013, 04:13:57 pm
Thats the way all mercs have wanted it to go, but we keep being pulled back into the east v west war


Maybe keep the few fiefs and dont bother conquering more and start seeking merc contracts, would be fun for you I think!
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Shemaforash on October 12, 2013, 04:16:07 pm
lol
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Strudog on October 12, 2013, 04:58:25 pm
:mrgreen:

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Fixed it
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Teeth on October 12, 2013, 05:01:02 pm
From what I have heard in the first round of Strat the rules on logging in on other's cd-key's weren't all that clear, at least at first. I have been told that it was pretty commonly done by a lot of clans including the early Shogunate leadership. Sure the Greys carried it to an extreme level, but I don't think it was as black and white as nowadays whether it was considered cheating.

Doubt the entire early Coalition or Merc leadership has clean hands even in this very regard. Not too consider various other bug exploiting instances. There is no morally superior side in Strat, Strat brings out the worst in everyone.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Vovka on October 12, 2013, 05:03:56 pm
http://forum.melee.org/closed-requests/ban-18528/

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in 1st strat when the username and password was in link like "www.blablabal-login-pass" one guy wrote a program that makes a list of factions and summed up all the gold and troops, also u can viewed equipment of any character from the list. To do this, u needed a text file with their passwords and logins. So sure with my IP had more than 100 keys aswell cos then we had like 150 members not sure if GO used same programm
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Camaris on October 12, 2013, 05:13:08 pm
From what I have heard in the first round of Strat the rules on logging in on other's cd-key's weren't all that clear, at least at first. I have been told that it was pretty commonly done by a lot of clans including the early Shogunate leadership. Sure the Greys carried it to an extreme level, but I don't think it was as black and white as nowadays whether it was considered cheating.

Doubt the entire early Coalition or Merc leadership has clean hands even in this very regard. Not too consider various other bug exploiting instances. There is no morally superior side in Strat, Strat brings out the worst in everyone.

I was never asked to give any account to anyone in hre. Never. Not one time.
Only thing i can remember that there was a option for being babysitted if you were on vacation.
But that was a looong looong looong time ago and i dont even remember when and if i am correct.

Btw. i had fun today in battle ;)
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on October 12, 2013, 06:17:24 pm

Once a cheater, always a cheater.

We have a Greek saying "It`s better to lose your eye, than the trust of your name".
If that's the case then shouldn't cmp/chadz/whatever have never allowed you to play crpg again? I mean no way people can learn to behave, right?

Oh, and last I checked DaveUKR sorta admitted to having used another merc members account for strat for something.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Panos_ on October 12, 2013, 06:40:15 pm
If that's the case then shouldn't cmp/chadz/whatever have never allowed you to play crpg again? I mean no way people can learn to behave, right?

Oh, and last I checked DaveUKR sorta admitted to having used another merc members account for strat for something.

Implying that cheating is the same with being ill mannered.

Cheating is the ultimate crime you can do in videogames, it`s like commiting a murder.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Osiris on October 12, 2013, 06:44:52 pm
getting a bit off topic eh :D

regarding OP I don't think coalition have given up i just think they are going to sit in the castles till you break em down :D
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: DaveUKR on October 12, 2013, 07:17:58 pm
If that's the case then shouldn't cmp/chadz/whatever have never allowed you to play crpg again? I mean no way people can learn to behave, right?

Oh, and last I checked DaveUKR sorta admitted to having used another merc members account for strat for something.

It wasn't a merc, just a merc faction member who got even kicked from the faction for acting like a retard. I used teamviewer to control one of the attacks/rosters because he got kicked out of the faction and I couldn't see where he was going and he had no chance to accept players. I never made it secret and I even told this in TS while making the rollcall. One thing is that it was impossible to prove as I used teamviewer (remote control, technically it was made on his PC just by my hands), still I took all the responsibility on myself knowing that I could be punished for that. I still have those sms which I sent to phones of Muffin and Ginger when there was something urgent in strat. And I never had their passwords, nor they had mine.

The problem is in Strategus itself. They should add some built-in tools for faction leaders so they can control members without logging in. Strategus should be easier and should not contain micromanagement.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Rebelyell on October 12, 2013, 07:44:37 pm

The problem is in Strategus itself. They should add some built-in tools for faction leaders so they can control members without logging in. Strategus should be easier and should not contain micromanagement.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Osiris on October 12, 2013, 07:55:36 pm


but then what would be the incentive for anyone but 1-2 leaders ever logging on or playing?
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Moncho on October 12, 2013, 08:55:29 pm
but then what would be the incentive for anyone but 1-2 leaders ever logging on or playing?

Well you could maybe only perform certain actions (control rosters, transfer stuff, etc), but not others like moving, so that the person actually needs to do something
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Rebelyell on October 12, 2013, 10:19:45 pm
but then what would be the incentive for anyone but 1-2 leaders ever logging on or playing?
more micromanagmet then
we all love it
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Osiris on October 12, 2013, 10:20:45 pm
more hyper activity!

GIVE ME BOATS!
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Segd on October 12, 2013, 10:30:13 pm
http://c-rpg.net/?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=5445

1 6 0 0 0 0 0 xp  :shock:
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Rebelyell on October 12, 2013, 10:43:53 pm
http://c-rpg.net/?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=5445

1 6 0 0 0 0 0 xp  :shock:

and red fog :evil:
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Camaris on October 12, 2013, 10:57:18 pm
If we at EU were smart we would have wargoals and not always smashing one faction to death leading to boredom at strat after that.
Leaders of Coalition and UIF should sit together and make one area of the map to the "battlefield" ;) whoever gets it is winner. After that another area etc.
So we could have battles forever ;) I love the xp but i think it will be over soon.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Varadin on October 13, 2013, 02:50:23 am
Nha, after Coalition , Greys gonna take whole map for themselfs , dirty scums :)
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Spartacus on October 13, 2013, 08:17:18 pm
If we at EU were smart we would have wargoals and not always smashing one faction to death leading to boredom at strat after that.
Leaders of Coalition and UIF should sit together and make one area of the map to the "battlefield" ;) whoever gets it is winner. After that another area etc.
So we could have battles forever ;) I love the xp but i think it will be over soon.
you forgot that you still have Rindyar Castle?
Its almost untakeable, so it is  probably infinity xp for your side
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Segd on October 13, 2013, 11:20:37 pm
4.25kk xp today from 4 battles
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Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Mengil on October 13, 2013, 11:24:02 pm
you forgot that you still have Rindyar Castle?
Its almost untakeable, so it is  probably infinity xp for your side

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Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Franke on October 14, 2013, 02:41:18 am
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What was that riot about?
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Erasmas on October 14, 2013, 02:43:19 am
The problem is in Strategus itself. They should add some built-in tools for faction leaders so they can control members without logging in. Strategus should be easier and should not contain micromanagement.

This!!! Noone needs anything more than this! This is exactly what we (GO) heavily promote since the banwave!

Now try to read the following with understanding, cause this are thoughts that come from personal experience :D


Multiaccounting or accountsharing ruins strat and ruins factions that use it. Not because of bans (although we have seen that before), but because it makes single members inactive. They "don't have to" do various stuff, they do not engage in whatever happens on Strat. They don't have to, because someone else is doing that for them.

In early iterations of Strat the resources (troops and gold) came from players only. That meant that large numbers of faction members could grant you extensive resources. The members were just sitting and farming, and their only job was to dump stuff to the leader or the fief. Most of clans had certain of number "dead souls" i.e. just farmers, players otherwise inactive. And if this guys were inactive it means that they were not available for any action. At that time accountsharing was borne - solely to dump god and troops, and transfer it on map.

Over time more things had to be done on map and in game (I mean strat). The game developed. The economy appeared and was improved. The map itself got geography and now you cross rivers by bridge and avoid mountains (it wasn't always like that, remember?). And one day the most important change ever was introduced - Startegus Ticks. From that moment on the "dead souls", inactive farmers got completely obsolete. Beacuse money is earned in trade (made by guys active on strat), and troops come from players active in crpg. So the clans focused on actually active players. And since they are active - there is no need to access their accounts. They can easily do it on their own. This, combined with deterrent factor of banwave and general condemnation of accountsharing made it really marginal in today's strategus.

In addition there is more "jobs" in strategus - army leaders, caravans, protection of fiefs, name it.  So the active guys actually have something to do in strat (again - it wasn't always like that,a nd still is not enough in this Strat) . So the people get involved, and get interested. And so they do stuff themselves.  And that means LESS WORK FOR LEADERS, which, trust me, is important if you want to run an effective clan AND have a girlfriend.

But I still agree with Dave - there should be some built-in tools for faction leaders so they can control members . Why? Cause this is a team game. A lot of people - that are more or less involved and interested in Strat - work on the success. And if one day there is a critical situation, and one of your players disappears from start for few weeks to go for vacation, play Skyrim, is sick or sent to jail (yes, it happened to us once :D), the leaders should be able to make some action on the account of that player - even if is only transfer of gold or army to another guy to just to protect the resources.  Preferably, without accessing such guy's account. Otherwise work of meny man is fucked by on person, and that is not ok.  It should be somehow "expensive" and used as the last resort - just like we all avoid quickmarch as much as we can. AND THIS IS THE SOLUTION WE PROMOTE

You may say "yes but you still may login to move other guy on the map and cheat the entire system this way" Yes. But would you really want to, if you play with bunch of really active guys (so they can do the job without your extra effort), risking ban from Strat, condemnation by community, and somewhat ugly feeling that you cheat in video game? My personal anwser is NO, and I know that it is shared by my teammates including all leaders of GO. And if there would be a "legal" way to do certain things on strat in critical cases - that would remove the reason for this kind of shit even more.

This game has changed a lot since its original introduction and I would love to see i changed even more. This community matured too (I really think so, however weird it sounds) and certain things are more clear for all of us now then 2 years ago.

Now you can rage on, just keep in mind I said all of this in good faith.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: no_rules_just_play on October 14, 2013, 03:33:19 am
well that was a fun battle kapikulu!

let's wait for the nice screens while I tell the story of when I walked up to your spawn hugging enemies and selecting your spawn to finally destroy it :D

<3 grelekjek
<3 heskey
<3 en dotter who got shot out of my loving arms by nikodin while hugging me
<3 nikon who tried to spawnrape me
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Rebelyell on October 14, 2013, 03:57:15 am
I wonder how capis chose eq for battles

over 1000 rus bows on last siege looted -_-
once they give us over 1200 +3 h. guantels
some around 20k CM ect, no one counts ladders...
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Butan on October 14, 2013, 02:33:48 pm
I wonder how capis chose eq for battles

over 1000 rus bows on last siege looted -_-
once they give us over 1200 +3 h. guantels
some around 20k CM ect, no one counts ladders...


Costy ladders item bombing tactic :P




Actually, it shows that the strategus economy now is too inflated to become an important part of the game. It has removed the incentive to hand-pick your army composition and like many have stated before, the armies are becoming pretty much all the same in terms of armors and weapons choices.

Who cares about a few thousands 5-50 price items too much ?
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Vovka on October 14, 2013, 02:40:25 pm
Costy ladders item bombing tactic :P
Actually, it shows that the strategus economy now is too inflated to become an important part of the game. It has removed the incentive to hand-pick your army composition and like many have stated before, the armies are becoming pretty much all the same in terms of armors and weapons choices.
Who cares about a few thousands 5-50 price items too much ?

bought today 5k 5k heavy kyaks 5k milanese armor and 11k h gauntlets
and 3000 of each the types weapons 1h 2h pole ^^ spend 10kk  :P
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Segd on October 14, 2013, 03:01:31 pm
Don't know why but some clans still use crap equipment on EU. Templars, Guards, Wolves etc. But nowadays you could equip full-plate army with only 1 caravan run.  :?
NA is another story. Everybody still are poor there. Looks like they constantly respec captured fiefs. The richest NA fief(New Asugan Castle) located on 11th place by goods production. http://c-rpg.net/?page=strategusfieflist&view=default
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Vovka on October 14, 2013, 03:08:19 pm
Looks like they constantly respec captured fiefs.

rather because of the wedding dress +3, +3 torch and so on
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Butan on October 14, 2013, 04:39:49 pm
Don't know why but some clans still use crap equipment on EU. Templars, Guards, Wolves etc. But nowadays you could equip full-plate army with only 1 caravan run.  :?
NA is another story. Everybody still are poor there. Looks like they constantly respec captured fiefs. The richest NA fief(New Asugan Castle) located on 11th place by goods production. http://c-rpg.net/?page=strategusfieflist&view=default


It would have been better if there was a cap on prosperity for each fief type, or that "raiding" attack option would cause PP/prosperity loss with or without winning the actual fight.
We would have NA-like economy which creates far more interesting battles in terms of items selection and the disparity of "power" in the item selection.





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2 months ago Druzhina territory was exactly like what is Coalition right now  :P
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: no_rules_just_play on October 14, 2013, 06:34:33 pm
SILLY UIF!

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Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Rebelyell on October 14, 2013, 06:52:08 pm
Don't know why but some clans still use crap equipment on EU. Templars, Guards, Wolves etc. But nowadays you could equip full-plate army with only 1 caravan run.  :?
NA is another story. Everybody still are poor there. Looks like they constantly respec captured fiefs. The richest NA fief(New Asugan Castle) located on 11th place by goods production. http://c-rpg.net/?page=strategusfieflist&view=default

CA
Swordbrothers were more active in last days that Templars, In all we had maybe 6 guys trying to do anything, now faction do not exist
RIP Alpha 2013 :(
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Keshian on October 14, 2013, 07:48:08 pm
Don't know why but some clans still use crap equipment on EU. Templars, Guards, Wolves etc. But nowadays you could equip full-plate army with only 1 caravan run.  :?
NA is another story. Everybody still are poor there. Looks like they constantly respec captured fiefs. The richest NA fief(New Asugan Castle) located on 11th place by goods production. http://c-rpg.net/?page=strategusfieflist&view=default

You guys got too many fiefs - almost 2x as many as NA, but we do have plenty of gold we just find it boring to always do the same min-maxing thing every fight and we reuse gear.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Keshian on October 14, 2013, 08:57:54 pm
Also we ended up making whole territories, NA clans end up scattered and spread out, whereas Coalition, Greys, Druz, Templar, Wolves, Mercs and Nords staked out large territories for themselves from the start, some large enough to trade even interiorly for a decent profit. Easier to control more fiefs that way.

I wouldn't agree with this - hsopitallers had the steppes, occitan and FUPA the desert, Velucan empire had the velucan highlands, and we had the north and north east - big territories, but meaningless with half as many fiefs.

Internal trade within those borders of eu territories would be 200-250% max - about what we had, but not worth it.  What really made difference is carebear alliance with trade safely across entire western continent from north to south without intereference and all working together getting 400% trade bonus with more fiefs therefore more S&D.  In NA north and south actually fought or didnt freely give their allies access to S&D. 

NA has fought and lost almost same number of troops as EU - which means we fought as many large battles with half as many fiefs, half as much S&D and therefore half as much gold.  IF EU fought their proportional amount of fights for their number of fiefs they would have had more issues with gold.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: no_rules_just_play on October 14, 2013, 11:43:15 pm
no_rules + phil best catapult team:
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bobby catapult:
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kapikulu catapult?
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Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Thorondor on October 14, 2013, 11:45:36 pm
no_rules + phil best catapult team:
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bobby catapult:
(click to show/hide)
krapikulu catapult?
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your pic is photoshopped.it's an unfair comparison
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Tactical_One on October 20, 2013, 07:57:00 pm
Are big war over ? seems no sieges today against coalition. Or is it contr-offensive ?
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Segd on October 20, 2013, 07:59:07 pm
Coalition won the Strat, party is over!
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: no_rules_just_play on October 20, 2013, 08:09:12 pm
Coalition won the Strat, party is over!
oh look, the greys even left us a gift for their defeat!
OPEN THE GATES LADS!

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Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: no_rules_just_play on October 20, 2013, 08:53:25 pm
I have no idea what's going on in strat, I was merely reacting to segd's statement :)
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Kalp on October 24, 2013, 02:14:45 pm
UIF: knock! knock!
Coalition castles: Who's there?
UIF: Let me in!
Coalition castles: You are welcome...

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Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Butan on October 26, 2013, 09:00:14 pm
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Good times.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Osiris on October 26, 2013, 09:52:36 pm
tis why voting for fiefs sucks ass :P
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Vermilion on October 26, 2013, 10:01:52 pm
Dam that's a lot of troops
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Conquisitore on October 27, 2013, 09:25:14 pm
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=5615

???
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Bittersteel on October 27, 2013, 09:32:06 pm
They probably didn't know that the time has been moved ahead an hour, that goes for all of the strategus battles.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Conquisitore on October 27, 2013, 09:35:53 pm
probably you are right. But its a shame fighting against only one person
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Butan on October 28, 2013, 02:21:50 am
For that one person it must have been an honor  8-)
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: kinngrimm on October 28, 2013, 05:20:42 am
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Suggestions Corner / Account sharing & overproduction & players without factions (http://forum.melee.org/suggestions-corner/account-sharing-overproduction-players-without-factions/msg214989/#msg214989)
have a look at the Actionpoint System Description. Basicly you have a pool of actionspoints per day per faction and when they are used up you need to wait till they are replenished.

Strategus Enhancer (http://forum.melee.org/strategus-general-discussion/strategus-enhancer/) in the current state cant be used as Dave and Erasmus wished for, but it could be enhanced into that way.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Bittersteel on October 28, 2013, 12:13:32 pm
For that one person it must have been an honor  8-)

He died like a man.
Title: Re: Has the coalition given up?
Post by: Varadin on October 28, 2013, 01:23:09 pm
Yeah we had a players who would actulaly play but since time fucked us up we lost :)

SHit happens :)