i dont have a problem with it, it just gives some more danger to stabbing people. (i am piker)
It's fairly long. 2-handers can have it too but it seems like the window for them to be stunned on a thrust is during a shorter phase of the animation, idk.
Speed > Damage> Length
Polearms got nerfed to the ground,servers are full of 2h heroes and ranged and the only ones who use polearms are the ones who are cavalry and pikes/lspears.2h has thrust stun aswell.
Swords are faster and stronger than polearms,you removed polestun,remove thrust stun aswell..
Jesus fucking christ,no more 2h/ranged servers,the mod is dull.
2handers also have the stab stun.
Just jump away after you fail to stab. Works even for me with 1 athletics.
why the hell do I have to play the zogler to avoid an idiotic stun??
Just remove,can`t you see that other classes slowly die..
Edit for GTX : yes they do but polearm stun lasts longer,I tested it a while ago..
I noticed that in some cases, a player who is stunned due to a blocked thrust can actually avoid being hit by jumping away, but I haven't tried this myself.believe me, this is only for the people that dont know how to play piker ninja properly. indeed, you have to avoid the hits when stunned but jumping backwards will only give you a wall of downblocks. if you are good enough at blocking and if you have a good feeling for teamfights (even being able to predict incoming attacks based on your moves), you can easily ninja your way through a group of enemies and kill them all.
So Poles were nerfed to hell and you want to nerf them more? Or nerf the stab on 2Hs?polestun: if someone gets stabbed by a polearm, he gets stunned
I don't get it.
And polearms aren't just Cav and Pikes, its also hoplites who need Polestun to remain effective.
So Poles were nerfed to hell and you want to nerf them more? Or nerf the stab on 2Hs?
I don't get it.
And polearms aren't just Cav and Pikes, its also hoplites who need Polestun to remain effective.
Lol, imagine Knitler and other lawlpikewhores without thrust stun.Yeah.... the hre 2-directional polearms is alrdy doing great in siege. And they rely 100% on the stab.(click to show/hide)
Edit for GTX : yes they do but polearm stun lasts longer,I tested it a while ago..
I am not so sure, it seemed like it was the same. Idk... maybe its because i get it more frequently with 2h.
Yeah.... the hre 2-directional polearms is alrdy doing great in siege. And they rely 100% on the stab.HEY! i use overheads very often and knitler even more!
Funnily enough, you're both incorrect. 2h stun on a parried stab is 0.05s longer.
I am not so sure, it seemed like it was the same. Idk... maybe its because i get it more frequently with 2h.I said the same, i am so sry i could not see the 0.05s. That is ofc a huge difference, which is long from the nearly the same. That also makes this thread kinda stupid, since 2h actually has it worse than polearms.
I said the same, i am so sry i could not see the 0.05s. That is ofc a huge difference, which is long from the nearly the same. That also makes this thread kinda stupid, since 2h actually has it worse than polearms.
polestun: if someone gets stabbed by a polearm, he gets stunned
thrust stun: if someone stabs (espescially polearms) and gets blocked, the weapon bounces back and isnt able to block/attack for a brief amount of time. this isnt removed yet.
The turn rate nerf did not nerf 2D polearms for everybody. With the new hit detection you can do things that weren't possible before, as in stabbing people at facehug range with very long weapons without wiggling.It was not like the wiggling was much of a hassle, actually it was part of the feint I did. Left wiggle, stab, got a lot of people to release their downblock. Below 200 range 2D polearms used to have a pretty big bag of tricks, great speed and amazing damage, weapons that were good even in duels. The wiggling required to do a stab with them was minimal and you still need to do some wiggling to hit at actual face hug ranges.
HEY! i use overheads very often and knitler even more!
Four-directional polearms like the Long Bardiche, Poleaxe, and Glaive are already on an even footing with the best 2h weapons out there. Making their thrust better would likely lead to problems.
Polestun had no reason to exist
You cant unbalance the 4D polearms without unbalancing the greatswords.
And a GLA or a glaive in the hands of a competent player is faster than a fucking katana, helicopter style turning into swings kinda makes weapon speed a moot point.
The only thing i think makes 2h better than polearm is hiltslashing, with a pole you end up whiffing when too close.
Polestun was the only "Weapon" that polearms had against 2h class,now a 2h can easily outspam,outrange (stab) and in some cases do more damage (speed bonus) than a polearm.
Give the unbalanced tag to all polearms,leave out polestun,remove stab stun for polearms and give polearm thrust to all 115 cm > GS.
To me these options seem reasonable..
Some 2H like WarCleaver already can outrange you with a swing, i must say weapons like 2H Bardiche, Warcleaver, Greataxe have a really awkward and sometimes retarded ghostrange.indeed, the thrust stun isnt that much of a problem imo, although the fact that those 1m long weapons can outrange your 2.5m pike, thats just stupid
Or you just retake the "animation"-"patch" so it will be longer some centimeters.
2handers also have the stab stun.
Just jump away after you fail to stab. Works even for me with 1 athletics.
I can't really say I notice thrust stun particularly but I would like the 2 direction poles to feel like they get a decent reach advantage. Not sure what exactly was done to glancing but it feels like they aren't actually anywhere near as long as the stats suggest. My Long Awlpike feels more like an old regular Awlpike, and I won't touch anything shorter since its just not worth losing 2 swing directions. Long Awlpike is still situational but more reliable than the others
Knit topped siege with just an awlpike.
Edit: That pretty much proves, that they aint in that bad a shape. Because he was competing against 1h, maulers and 2h swords in that scoreboard, yet he ended on top.
Ive seen Jarlek topping with throwing.jarlek always tops with throwing, especially on lower populated servers
That doesn`t mean anything.
HEY! i use overheads very often and knitler even more!i dont even upblock knitlerys overheads cause the instastab that would follow would 1 hit me in 60+ body armor
Ive seen Jarlek topping with throwing.
That doesn`t mean anything.
Ive seen Jarlek topping with throwing.Ive seen him try a ton of times without even getting close, so this seems weird.
That doesn`t mean anything.
Knit topped siege with just an awlpike.
Edit: That pretty much proves, that they aint in that bad a shape. Because he was competing against 1h, maulers and 2h swords in that scoreboard, yet he ended on top.
I am not sure but I think that higher WPF reduces the stun already.
If there was no thrust stun even with 1 wpf in polearms, than we would probably witness increase in long spear users among all classes.
Siege has choke points. Get shielder to stand in front of you. Put your polearm through his body and attack enemies on the other side. Shielder blocks all attacks that get close enough, polearm can't be touched. If the choke point is a ladder, ranged can't get at them either.
Main issue with this mod. Balance for one mode (strategus for example), is bad balancing or kills the fun for other modes. And don't even get me started on those players who only want to balance from a 1 vs 1 duel standpoint.
LOl, that is just bugged. THat is only possible with the polearms?. Anyway... thats not how knit was fighting anyway.
Ive seen Jarlek topping with throwing.I topped the scoreboard way easier on my last gen (2h shieldercav with 50 pole wpf). Was actually easier when I dropped the horse and shield and just went longsword infantry.
That doesn`t mean anything.
jarlek always tops with throwing, especially on lower populated serversNot really, I top it more often with other builds. Sometimes I'm almost at the bottom. It all depends on how capable my team is (the better they do, the less points I get) and how suicidal the enemy cav is. If my team just holds the enemy at bay I can rack up a lot of points killing the horses trying to attack the side/rear of the main infantry blob. Then I get kills when they are down and I whack them with my hammer. Most of my points are from damaging horses and hitting people with my Military Hammer, most of my kills are from killing people with my hammer in melee or throwing at people that are trying to run away.
Throwing is best for collecting huge amount of points. You don't have to kill anyone but damage when you hit someone is great and you're much closer to the enemy than other ranged, which means you get close proximity points as well.Throwing is the best to collect huge amount of points, but that's mainly because of how well you can defend against horses. You can 2hit them when they charge you (3 if they stand still, 4 if armoured), which gives you a lot of points from the damage AND the proximity (you get prox for your own hits, which is why ranged usually don't get lots of points). But doing that alone is not usually enough to get on top. It's very rare for me to top the scoreboard without spending most of my time fighting with my hammer (unless there is a LOT of suicidal cav).
Ive seen him try a ton of times without even getting close, so this seems weird.That's funny, cause last time we were in the same server you GTX after I killed you for the 7th time, last one with you and another greatsword user trying to gank me. Didn't even have to throw at you ^^
I've topped EU_4 with 12/27, an unloomed espada eslavona, and less than 25 body armor, clearly this is not a weak playstyle, and clearly the point system shows how great people are doing properly. (tbh the awlpike is a good enough weapon though, not op like the majority of the 2h class, but still a good weapon compared to regular things)This. Just because a good player can do well with something, does not mean the weapon or build is OP. I'm also gonna agree on the awlpike. It is good, but not OP. It is powerful, but it's not as easy to use as other weapons. Just how it should be.
That's funny, cause last time we were in the same server you GTX after I killed you for the 7th time, last one with you and another greatsword user trying to gank me. Didn't even have to throw at you ^^What? I do not remember that at all. Also, u never killed me seven times, so plz cut the made up stuff.
What? I do not remember that at all. Also, u never killed me seven times, so plz cut the made up stuff.EU_4 on the 28th. Don't lie about lying, kiddo.
This.(click to show/hide)
i can already see the machine gun stabbers with pikes if stun was removed, so one word: NO
How about they fix the hitbox for long spear so people cant stab in the sky and drag the hit down towards you or hit you magically over people
I thought you can do the same with 2h stabs
Biased thread again...I don't get the logic here.
So pole stun was removed, everybody is crying lol wtf. Nobody plays poles because of polestun removed T_T ... bullcrap if you played it only because of the stun youre a little prick aboozer i play mighty GLB this gen, played Flam last one and i still say poles are better than 2h, i have a sentimental attachment to 2h so i still switch between the two.
The thrust stun for pikes is as bad as 2h so no reson to cry.
How about they fix the hitbox for long spear so people cant stab in the sky and drag the hit down towards you or hit you magically over people, or was that the way it was done in Macedonia centuries ago?
i can already see the machine gun stabbers with pikes if stun was removed, so one word: NO
So pole stun was removed, everybody is crying lol wtf. Nobody plays poles because of polestun removed T_T ... bullcrap if you played it only because of the stun youre a little prick aboozer i play mighty GLB this gen, played Flam last one and i still say poles are better than 2h, i have a sentimental attachment to 2h so i still switch between the two.Let's look at the stats of just the two weapons you're switching from.
Let's look at the stats of just the two weapons you're switching from.
BardicheFlamberge(click to show/hide)So the bardiche got 2 more cut, bonus against shield, 3 more reach, one more speed, and it can be sheathed. However the flamberge got 6 more pierce, 0.5 more weight, it's not unbalanced, and it got one of the swings as a 2h swing so it still got the animation with the longest reach. The flamberge is better, and it's not even one of the best 2hs compared to other 2h...(click to show/hide)
You shouldn't be put in a position where you can't make any block attempt after a stab, its like it skips your block & attack phase.
I don't really notice it a huge amount personally, but dying from some random factor is probably not what the mod should be aiming for.
this.
this is what happens when u stab a shield or a wall with 2h :wink:For the shield it only happens if you make a horrible stab that would've glanced anyway.
this is what happens when u stab a shield or a wall with 2h :wink:
For the shield it only happens if you make a horrible stab that would've glanced anyway.
correct.Then 1+ me, I need that renown. :(
but for 2directional its a deathsence, ALL 2H have sideswings.
yes it's worse on a weapon u use i agree. just like a regular 2h lolstab abuser sees nothing wrong with the lolstab.
This indirectly nerfs all polearms, since the stats of 2 handers that oppose them are improved.
Then we also have a series of general melee nerfs over the last year. Turning while attacking was nerfed for everyone but affected people with 2 directions the most. Crappy game mechanic was removed (randy stagger) that affected only poles. Glancing was changed for being too close to enemy, and I think for being a certain distance away (possibly if enemy is moving away from your attack). Not sure about the glancing but poles all feel effectively shorter for me.
Some poles are probably in a good place, like some axes or poleaxes. Some are complete garbage that need similar buffs that mid range 2 handers got, and some need some little buffs like 2 direction poles (not all, the high damage ones might be OK). I'm talking 28 pierce ones that feel quite short now. TBH I would like all stabbing weapons to get some glance buff at the extent of their range, and some might need damage buffs
Im okay with that turnspeednerf and glancing one, but the animation of the stab got "nerfed" so the stabs got shorter in relevance to 2H,
No it wasn't. Animations haven't been touched in more than a year.
No it wasn't. Animations haven't been touched in more than a year.
The range thing might be to do with having to keep a bigger buffer between you and another player now. So if he moves away you are already more likely to glance with the shorter poles. You do need to play a bit differently now to before in terms of keeping distance. I do notice strange glancing though, especially on horse that seem close enough (but not too close) but are moving fast
Ye, funfact. Im softspotting horsies all the time and theyre stoping. :)
And i already have 7ATHL, will go up to 8ATHL, i hope that will be enough for that. But 2H still killing me like butter ^^.
Stating the obvious is not crying or whinning man ffs,c-rpg is guided by the 2h lobbyist`s..
2h cry about lance,restrain lance angle.
2h cry about couch,restrain couch damage to max 20.
2h cry about polearms,remove polestun.
and these are only 3 examples of why this mod has become unbalance,
Are you trying to say that only 2h wanted to remove polestun and nerf lancers? I don't think so.
Yeah, polestun really needed to go...
Also, your average 2-hander cries more than a teenage girl.
This thread is not a 2h crying about something.... seems like it is polearms.
You moronic cunt,noone is crying here,if you can`t see the inbalance between 2h class and the other classes then you are dumb.
This thread is not a 2h crying about something.... seems like it is polearms.
Oh you mean polearm users are actually asking for something for once? I mean its usually 2handers crying for nerfs against ranged, cav, pikes, polearms in general. You name it and the chances are a majority of 2handed users have cried for it to be nerfed.
I think its about time Polearm users got something I mean so far we have had our class made not useless but kinda handicapped in some sense. I mean on average 2handers do more damage out range other weapons are faster, A.K.A you have every advantage nearly... There is no real point going anything BUT two hander like I said you hold all the cards so why go polearm, 1handed or ranged? I don't fully understand the thread or what panos is asking for because I can't be bothered to read every page atm but from what little iv read his asking for a change in polearms favour for once. I have played polearm since the first time I retired and every week it gets more tempting to respec to 2 hander I mean my GLA does less damage on average, bounces more, is out ranged and generally sucks compared to any average 2handed weapon.
For once in your cowardly life GTX accept the fact that your class is the easymode of cRPG as well as the most OP AND the biggest bunch of babies around. Also the other night you claimed "you're not biased" so please state some valid LOGICAL arguement's that show how polearms are balanced and equal to 2handers. Don't just jump in the thread calling people cry babies when you are the master Q.Qer of all cRPG history.
Wheres your "unbiased" argument GTX? Oh wait you don't have one as usual :rolleyes:
The one and only - GTXYou should change that to "The coward identical to all the other cowards 'cept somewhat more of a coward - kuyakhero"
Oh you mean polearm users are actually asking for something for once? I mean its usually 2handers crying for nerfs against ranged, cav, pikes, polearms in general. You name it and the chances are a majority of 2handed users have cried for it to be nerfed.
I think its about time Polearm users got something I mean so far we have had our class made not useless but kinda handicapped in some sense. I mean on average 2handers do more damage out range other weapons are faster, A.K.A you have every advantage nearly... There is no real point going anything BUT two hander like I said you hold all the cards so why go polearm, 1handed or ranged? I don't fully understand the thread or what panos is asking for because I can't be bothered to read every page atm but from what little iv read his asking for a change in polearms favour for once. I have played polearm since the first time I retired and every week it gets more tempting to respec to 2 hander I mean my GLA does less damage on average, bounces more, is out ranged and generally sucks compared to any average 2handed weapon.
For once in your cowardly life GTX accept the fact that your class is the easymode of cRPG as well as the most OP AND the biggest bunch of babies around. Also the other night you claimed "you're not biased" so please state some valid LOGICAL arguement's that show how polearms are balanced and equal to 2handers. Don't just jump in the thread calling people cry babies when you are the master Q.Qer of all cRPG history.
You should change that to "The coward identical to all the other cowards 'cept somewhat more of a coward - kuyakhero"
Hunter,I made the same mistake as you did.
GTX is a 16 year old boy who used to GTX duels because he didn`t want to destroy his cool ranking,talking to him is like talking to a downnie ,he will listen but in the end he will always be dumb.
Looks like Panos joins em, i did kinda see this one coming. Welcome to the haters, plz try to stay loyal as the others. They are creating a fine example.
I don`t hate you bro,I don`t give a shit about you,but if believing that I hate you feeds your ego and your e-penis,be my guest.
I can nearly always trust u aswell zlisch, to write this kind of crap aswell. Im glad u are pretty loyal aswell. ;)omgz welcomz to zhe haterz plz stayz lozalz anz hatz onz mez, gtx youz a haterz.
Hunter,I made the same mistake as you did.
GTX is a 16 year old boy who used to GTX duels because he didn`t want to destroy his cool ranking,talking to him is like talking to a downnie ,he will listen but in the end he will always be dumb.
Looks like Panos joins em, i did kinda see this one coming. Welcome to the haters, plz try to stay loyal as the others is. They are creating a fine example.
omgz welcomz to zhe haterz plz stayz lozalz anz hatz onz mez, gtx youz a haterz.
Im so sry, u are right. I guess i didnt read the signals correctly... u did also seem really nice towards me.
Its a shame you was not on EU_4 the other night, He was saying how his "unbiased" and how his class is not easy mode yet failed to come up with valid reasons as to why. And oh! according to his nord application he is 18 :lol:
Hardly hating, just telling the truth and stating facts. And if you did read my post you will see I'm not insulting you.... kind of... maybe a lil at the end..... maybe...
On a serious note though GTX maybe if you used your head and made valid arguements that have logic and reason behind them, maybe then people would take your opinions seriously.
GTX, you are indifferent to me.Yes, omg u freaking hit the jackpot.... we are soooo scared.
All you 2h heroes are afraid for balance between classes because you know that you wont be mighty anymore if u can`t abuze certain bugs of the animations.
That`s a fact,remember what happened with the turn nerf??
Half the 2h heroes switched to other classes.
I play polearms from day 1 I started the mod,and I will always do,so my opinion aint biased.
Do u have proff?
Haha also, u do nothing else than insult, its rly amazing. Its actually the first time i saw u argue, u normally keep it to the insults. Also, checking nord applications to try and find my age? U must rly care, that is really persistent, good example man.
Yes, omg u freaking hit the jackpot.... we are soooo scared.
I also played 2h from day 1, even after turn speed nerf... so yeah.
This went from a thread discussing game balance and the idea of removing a large feature of the game, to personal insults and everyone hating on GTX. :rolleyes:(click to show/hide)
GTX, you are indifferent to me.Saying you purely play one thing and then asking for anything else than a nerf for the thing you play shows a lot more bias than it takes away, same way no one takes gtxs "2h is hard" seriously when his main has always purely been a 2h.
All you 2h heroes are afraid for balance between classes because you know that you wont be mighty anymore if u can`t abuze certain bugs of the animations.
That`s a fact,remember what happened with the turn nerf??
Half the 2h heroes switched to other classes.
I play polearms from day 1 I started the mod,and I will always do,so my opinion aint biased.
Dude.... they are not hating or insulting, thats what they said themselves. :lol:I don't quite consider you important enough for me to really hate you, I'll gladly insult you though, coward.
We insult you because you are dumb.
I don`t hate you bro,I don`t give a shit about you,but if believing that I hate you feeds your ego and your e-penis,be my guest.
Do u have proff?
Also, checking nord applications to try and find my age? U must rly care, that is really persistent, good example man.
Saying you purely play one thing and then asking for anything else than a nerf for the thing you play shows a lot more bias than it takes away, same way no one takes gtxs "2h is hard" seriously when his main has always purely been a 2h.I don't quite consider you important enough for me to really hate you, I'll gladly insult you though, coward.
Thats what panos did, and he wanted to make the thing he played better. U seem to cut each other out xD.I know that's what Panos did, and I stated that makes him just as capable of being biased as you, while I agree with him that 2h is brokenly overpowered then that still doesn't make "I play the same thing forever, don't play anything else, it's underpowered, please buff it." something that doesn't seem biased.
I never actually searched your age, I read it when I posted my app months ago duur. However I'm going to stop replying to you because I don't want this decent LOGICAL thread to turn into another thread where you disgrace your self and prove to everyone how foolish you are seeing as there are enough of them floating around the forum as it is. I also suggest no one else reply to the coward and keep the thread on topic rather then letting GTX get all the attention like the little attention seeker he is.
This is rather entertaining to watch them go back and forth like this, I must admit. But come on guys, keep your disagreements to the PMs and give this thread a chance to have some potency before it dies.Edit: apple.... PLz shhhhhh, what do u think im trying ? ^^ These monkeys is easy to lure in.
Thats what panos did, and he wanted to make the thing he played better. U seem to cut each other out xD.
Edit: Knit i meant on the thing above, thats why i made a space between it.
Break it up guys. Can't we all get along?
Out of all the classes in the game, I respect polearmers and 2 handers the most. Thats not saying I don't respect other classes, but having to manual block every attack and put up with the ranged fest in this mod should count for something.
So yeah why would you want to nerf 2 hand? Buff poles
Break it up guys. Can't we all get along?1h no shield has to deal with all those issues along with having extremely shit range and stats in general, why are they not worthy of your respect?
Out of all the classes in the game, I respect polearmers and 2 handers the most. Thats not saying I don't respect other classes, but having to manual block every attack and put up with the ranged fest in this mod should count for something.
So yeah why would you want to nerf 2 hand? Buff poles
Hey kid,I play the game to have fun,not winning like you,if i wanted to win I would use 2h sword and a kuyak like you.
I never cared to be the best nor I want to,I want to spend some hours of my day and have fun in a roleplaying game that I like.
What I don`t like though,it`s annoying little kids like you and rantrex abuzing every bug that the game has and make my game session bad.
Grumbs,I`m not asking for a nerf to stats.
Just fix the goddamn lolstab and the idiotic hug slash that pasts through your block.
1h no shield has to deal with all those issues along with having extremely shit range and stats in general, why are they not worthy of your respect?Here we go, he is on u now.
Yes plz fix the thrust stun on the lolstabs. It does not pass through ur blocks, u are pathetic :).There is an actual glitch that let's you pass through blocks, but that's the one were you get the other player and then swing at his back while in/behind him by walking through him, but that bug is for all classes, not just 2h. What however is far more likely is that Panos isn't aware of the mechanic were sideblocks are based on which part of you the weapon hits, not which swing was swung. The least likely scenario is that there is an actual bug that no one but Ranthrex are able to execute.
There is an actual glitch that let's you pass through blocks, but that's the one were you get the other player and then swing at his back while in/behind him by walking through him, but that bug is for all classes, not just 2h. What however is far more likely is that Panos isn't aware of the mechanic were sideblocks are based on which part of you the weapon hits, not which swing was swung. The least likely scenario is that there is an actual bug that no one but Ranthrex are able to execute.
So u agree he fails at blocking, just basic blocking.
Idiot,we aren`t here to talk about my blocking skill..
So u agree he fails at blocking, just basic blocking.Yes, but I wouldn't really call it just basic blocking, the better 2h such as Wayyyyyne can trigger it quite unexpectedly through good footwork and timing, it is one of the few things that aren't easy to block.
Well u just called something a ''bug'', when it was actually caused by ur poor blocking. Thats pretty important, since that makes it... not a bug, just ur blocking.
Yes, but I wouldn't really call it just basic blocking, the better 2h such as Wayyyyyne can trigger it quite unexpectedly through good footwork and timing, it is one of the few things that aren't easy to block.
YOLO.
I feel sorry for your parents,If your dad knew how dumb his son would be,he would prefer to cum on the floor..
Panos take this how you like, but I highly recommend concentrating on the idea or argument rather than the personality. Attack the subject if you want, but not some random guy on the internet. You don't need insults to make a point. It will just make your own points look weaker because you seem to have some personal interest in what you say due to the persons involved rather than the actual subject matterDude, what the hell are u doing!? xD. Damn u grumbs, damn u! :P
Anyway, I don't want you muted or banned and you might be on a slimmer thread than you realise
Ignore those thousands of +'s btw, people want that drama as long as its not them getting banned :D
Panos take this how you like, but I highly recommend concentrating on the idea or argument rather than the personality. Attack the subject if you want, but not some random guy on the internet. You don't need insults to make a point. It will just make your own points look weaker because you seem to have some personal interest in what you say due to the persons involved rather than the actual subject matter
Anyway, I don't want you muted or banned and you might be on a slimmer thread than you realise
Ignore those thousands of +'s btw, people want that drama as long as its not them getting banned :D
All you 2h heroes are afraid for balance between classes because you know that you wont be mighty anymore if u can`t abuze certain bugs of the animations.
something
What thrust stun are we exactly talking about here, because I'm not getting it. The one that you get when your stab is blocked? Like cmp said it's slightly shorter for polearms.
abusing animations, says the guy thats using a Glaive, you making me laugh panos
But it's more deadly for polearm and 1h users than 2h because of the much lower reach.stabbing at the End of your range is always a poor idea.. Imo allthough because of the shorter reach you could easily be outmaneouvred(holy shat what did I type! :D) into doing one.
i shall give you 20K panos out of great charity and greatness ouf soul, but put an offer on market i don't wanna touch your filthy peasant hands
Have an idea here!
How bout since you both (Panos and GTX) play your respected classes "from day one" to switch and try different shit, play each other class as unbiased as possible and see if the things others say are true.
I play both classes, i like 2h more but all the buffs and nerfs won't make me quit either of them.
Why would you limit your self to only one class and lobby for it like its the last thing in the world, and all that in this mod that gives you freedom to do whatever. Go full thrower for one gen, i had a blast!
we dont need to remove thrust stun. what is with crpgers these days. they want shit removed like crazy.
ok lets make a game with 1 weapon type, 1 weapon, guaranteed to be balanced. idiots...
we dont need to remove thrust stun. what is with crpgers these days. they want shit removed like crazy.
ok lets make a game with 1 weapon type, 1 weapon, guaranteed to be balanced. idiots...
Dude who the fuck are you?! and why are u in every topic acting like u own this shit, telling people they should shut up.
Fuck off.
Because 2h stab was hugely OP in Native and it had to have some drawbacks, a point which still stands for cRPG.Thrust stun adversely affects the next swing, not that one. And that overpoweredness isn't the case in cRPG (at least, not to a huge extent). Imo, thrust stun should go to 0.4000 across the board. Still slightly more than all the other attack directions.
Because 2h stab was hugely OP in Native and it had to have some drawbacks, a point which still stands for cRPG.
The only thing that is OP in 2h stab,is the goddamn lolstab animation and the ghostreach of it, not the damage.
From my observation most of the 2h don't have ghost reach, except for 2h like the barmace and highland claymore i believe
a stab can outreach a heavy lance :shock:
Thrust stun adversely affects the next swing, not that one. And that overpoweredness isn't the case in cRPG (at least, not to a huge extent). Imo, thrust stun should go to 0.4000 across the board. Still slightly more than all the other attack directions.Whether it affects the next swing or the thrust itself is besides the point, it is a disadvantage of using the thrust. As soon as it is 0.4, the stun is completely irrelevant, because I am not even sure if any weapon can execute an attack within that time.
However, when I use it with the longspear, might just be the weapon and not the class. The only way I can hit is doing dragging hits, not nearly as late into the animation as 2h, but I can't put my finger on when I can expect the thrust stun to happen. When I hit an object or the floor, I am completely okay with hit, I fucked up so I should get fucked. But half the time I do a stab as always and suddenly I stand there staring at my limp stick for a full second.
Whether it affects the next swing or the thrust itself is besides the point, it is a disadvantage of using the thrust. As soon as it is 0.4, the stun is completely irrelevant, because I am not even sure if any weapon can execute an attack within that time. What? Can you re-word that? That made no senseI'm correcting you. 0.7 is not only when you execute a bad stab, it's just always. You've got some crazy placebo shit, yo.
Correct me if I am wrong, but there are two different stun things for the thrusts right? Your thrust doesn't always get stunned like that when it is blocked. So isn't the duration of that base stun not already something around 0.3, with the 0.7 one only happening when you execute a bad stab?
I present you with this: that is a separate issue that should be solved in a different thread.
Aaaaand in which? Inform me please, when we got a different thread.I think you misunderstood me, but <3s.
Do you catch my drift?
I'm correcting you. 0.7 is not only when you execute a bad stab, it's just always. You've got some crazy placebo shit, yo.Hell no, you sometimes get stunned after doing a stab which makes you unable to block the opponents attack. If that would always happen nobody would even dare to touch the thrust. As a longspearman, I can say this to be true 100%, which makes me wonder why I wasn't sure when I wrote the last post. I can block 1h leftswings after a stab no problem, unless I get the long stun by hitting an object or whatever else causes it.
As for the rest of your post complaining about 2h balance, okay. That doesn't have to deal with what is in question. You're upset about the 2h stab animation being OP, and it is. It has incredible reach and the points you made earlier. I present you with this: that is a separate issue that should be solved in a different thread.Of course it is related. The OP states the removal of a negative effect for one class only, which implies that that class is weaker than the other. So whether the class deserves to be put ahead of the others is definitely part of the discussion. We are not even talking about a removal of stun effects accross the board.