http://forum.meleegaming.com/diplomacy/nords-and-templars-nap-and-trade-agreement/
Hum? So your claiming lands of ppl you have a NAP with?
Noctivagant posted that (http://forum.meleegaming.com/diplomacy/fief-agreement-between-templars-and-mercs/) 5 seconds before we posted. 8-)
10 minutes by my count but its still before.
3:04 - > 3:14
we consider this agreement to be after our passive agressive action was launched and therefore invalid in relation too the NAP.So your claiming lands of a faction you have a NAP with?
03AM (03:00 UTC+2)
Please dont try to take the moral highground, it is not befitting.
Changing the Night Time so now the battle is at 03AM (03:00 UTC+2) instead of a nice prime time attack at 8PM (20:00 UTC+2) where everyone could enjoy it. We could even have attacked at 7PM, but as a courtesy we waited...
Seriously, what is it with Templars and night battles?alpha strategy relay on late people or na merc :)
alpha strategy relay on late people or na merc :)
You'd think he'd be more concerned about his own members. Oh well.
Should be forced night time for everyone from 00:00 to 08:00 :)
Manual night time is just messing everything up.
Should be forced night time for everyone from 00:00 to 08:00 :)
Manual night time is just messing everything up.
You cannot in any way justify setting the night time in order to avoid fighting actual battles. What's the logic behind it? If everyone did that we might as well be playing a board game.
Battles is what Strategus is about. Prime time battles allow for as many as possible to enjoy them and have fun.
What fun is there in morning and night time attacks where maximum 30 people participates - if even that many - instead of up to ~100, which should be no issue when its prime time.
Morning attacks should IMHO only be done if someone is threatening you at that hour (e.g. S&D terrorism in Strategus 4).
funny when i click on ismirala castle i can see Merc as a owner. He just joined Templars to avoid being attacked :) nice move. But FAIL.It's so weird. I have the same issue! It's like; they changed his strategus faction to Crusader Alliance right before they attacked (while still having the name Merc_Canjhon) just so that the Crusader Alliance can help them out without having the ones to break the agreement! It's like they are desperatly looking for reasons for their totally not a carebear alliance to help them out in the war! This is obviously a bug, because they don't stoop that low, do they?
totally not a carebear allianceNo one has ever claimed that our alliance is anything but carebears. Thomas and I refer fondly to it as such openly. I would fondly post the Calradian carebear banner for c-RPG but alas I can not find it.
It's like they are desperatly looking for reasons for their totally not a carebear alliance to help them out in the war! This is obviously a bug, because they don't stoop that low, do they?
Druzhina_Rohmir, member of Occitan
try harder cicero
Arrowine there is plenty of room in the desert in NA for you guys. Come back you know you want to.
Should be forced night time for everyone from 00:00 to 08:00 :)I'd say there should be "night" time between 8 and 16 :rolleyes:
anyways arent we french scum ? :)
I never believed in Nords without UIF this strat, but some of our leaders were charmed by some of your cool members and harboured illusions about you when it was obvious that you don't see any other way to exist if not with UIF and already decided to be with UIF before talking to Mercs :rolleyes:
No one has ever claimed that our alliance is anything but carebears. Thomas and I refer fondly to it as such openly. I would fondly post the Calradian carebear banner for c-RPG but alas I can not find it.
and anyone who tries to gank us can count on having a ferocious enemy for the rest of the round,allying with whoever will put us in the best position to wipe them.
Basically Mercs have tried to keep Nords as neutral as possible by doing naive favors in fiefs
Nocti, the only fief that mercs owned in our claim, the village of Aldelen, was traded from the mercs to the SoA, we have then respected this fief transfer by allowing the SoA to keep this fief.
The other SoA fief,Chalbek Castle belonged them at the start, Kulum was a fief they had taken which we had plans for. Therefore I told the SoA guys that they could either stay and fight us, or take up there claims for promised eastern fiefs with the Mercs and hand over those fiefs without combat. They chose without combat and are now as a result of that deal are allowed free passage in Nord territory.
So if you could explain what fief favour you did us, I would be happy to gain a fuller understanding of the situation, especially since i dont see currently the SoA having recieved a new set of fiefs in the Eastern regions as they were promised in exchange for there votes at the beginning of the round.
Nocti, the only fief that mercs owned in our claim, the village of Aldelen, was traded from the mercs to the SoA, we have then respected this fief transfer by allowing the SoA to keep this fief.
The other SoA fief,Chalbek Castle belonged them at the start, Kulum was a fief they had taken which we had plans for. Therefore I told the SoA guys that they could either stay and fight us, or take up there claims for promised eastern fiefs with the Mercs and hand over those fiefs without combat. They chose without combat and are now as a result of that deal are allowed free passage in Nord territory.
So if you could explain what fief favour you did us, I would be happy to gain a fuller understanding of the situation, especially since i dont see currently the SoA having recieved a new set of fiefs in the Eastern regions as they were promised in exchange for there votes at the beginning of the round.
Arrowine there is plenty of room in the desert in NA for you guys. Come back you know you want to.
Edit: The SoA actually begged us not to attack them and let them pass peacefully through or lands, in exchange for the fiefs,
Hm, you know what, you sound like a prick. Just saying :wink:
it's completely obvious to anyone with two brain cells
Also its completly your choice of breaking any bargains, deals and treaties you ever made but the harder you try to justify it in this thread the more obvious it gets imho.
Also its completly your choice of breaking any bargains, deals and treaties you ever made but the harder you try to justify it in this thread the more obvious it gets imho.
What agreed upon deal did we break Mike?Well besides the NAP ( you dont see it the way i see it and I accept that ;) ) the complete SoA Fief deal (again you might not see it this way and thats ok ;) )
Would I get banned if I were to make an alt called okiN_the_Grey ?you can make an alt Gnjus_the_only_leader_wiped_by_kapikulu
€II: Well besides the NAP ( you dont see it the way i see it and I accept that ;) ) the complete SoA Fief deal (again you might not see it this way and thats ok ;) )
Well lets be honest it was a smart move that the mercs and templars pulled. Thing is: they pulled it before you pulled yours and as it stands now you are attacking the crusader alliance. Which basicly breaks the NAP which states you wont attack eachother.
Let's take a step back to reality.
a) Pulling out of the attack when it was already happening was never going to be an option, regardless of whatever silly faction the fief owner joined.
b) Even Templars must have known this, so the only reason they did it was so they would have some lame excuse to break the NAP.
c) In the end the whole farce has changed nothing, except that Templars have once again shown themselves to be deal breaking liars. If they'd just come out and said openly "We can't stand by while you attack Mercs, so we have no choice but to break the NAP", they would have ended up looking a lot better IMO. Still deal breakers, but not liars.
b) talking about excuses i could again go down the 'nords neutral this strat' card and mention that mercs have tried their best to get good relations going and stuff but it wouldnt lead to anything since I can accept that you have another point of view here ;)[/b]
c) Tbh in the end it is still you guys who pressed the "Attack ismirala Castle - owned by crusader alliance" button that is a fact.
Thats still the case btw, no templar took over the fief even over 12 hours after the supposed handover took place. Strange aint it.
c) Tbh in the end it is still you guys who pressed the "Attack ismirala Castle - owned by crusader alliance" button that is a fact.See, I think drugs have done some *good* things for us, I really do. And if you dont believe drugs have done good things for us, do me a Favor: go home tonight and take all your albums, all your tapes, and all your cds and burn em. 'Cause you know what? The musicians whove made all that great music thats enhanced your lives throughout the years...
I'm pretty sure you can't transfer fiefs under lockdown for a siege.
Have you tried it yet?
Have you tried it yet?
I'm pretty sure you can't transfer fiefs under lockdown for a siege.
you can make an alt Gnjus_the_only_leader_wiped_by_kapikulu
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Please stop trying to bullshit everything now.
consigning Andswaru to his place in Strat History as "The New Kinngrimm". Pretty impressive for a guy who only stepped up to power 2 weeks ago :mrgreen:
Im pretty sure Tomas you told me yesterday that there was "fief ownership name change bug that lasts upto several hours" and that the fief owner had already been swapped just the page was failing due this "bug", im calling liar lair pants on fire.
Unless of course Templars lied too you... but who would believe that...
Andswaru to his place in Strat History as "The New Kinngrimm". Pretty impressive for a guy who only stepped up to power 2 weeks ago :mrgreen:
Tomas it was you, but before we start back and fowarding lets just agree to disagree on that point.
Andswaru: just saw the nighttime.
Andswaru: If you dont change it, or give us the castle, were gonna declare for the UIF.
Andswaru: You got 1 hour.
Andswaru: just saw the nighttime.
Andswaru: If you dont change it, or give us the castle, were gonna declare for the UIF.
Andswaru: You got 1 hour.
Andswaru: just saw the nighttime.
Andswaru: If you dont change it, or give us the castle, were gonna declare for the UIF.
Andswaru: You got 1 hour.
Andswaru: just saw the nighttime.
Andswaru: If you dont change it, or give us the castle, were gonna declare for the UIF.
Andswaru: You got 1 hour.
Secondly if Dave is your Diplomat then may the lord have mercy on you. The man is a liability of the highest level, he came on TS and made an ass out of himself by repeatedly talking over others and claiming to know all the facts when all the previous dealings Nords had had were with Tyr or Muffin. That was the reason why he was kicked. He then spent over an hour in our IRC channel asking questions which we answered reasonably and honestly (due to the fact he cant talk over others in IRC so we could actually communicate with him successfully).
To quote cooties, 'classy that'.
Tyr and I have tried our very best on friendly relations with you, because we like many of your members, even if okin and a few others are somewhat unsavoury. This is where we are at now, please dont start shitting around about who has the moral highground, because you dont really have it.
Anyways, lets have some battles.
Well at 3am I need Russians and Poles, and to secure the roster at that "time" that you chose to fight a big battle, I need to make the alliance happen. Im preety sure thats a logical consequece, instead of a limited war of local gains, we are now forced to declare for the UIF to secure our roster. No problem for us, or for the UIF, a bigger problem for the other side i guess.
we are now forced to declare for the UIF to secure our roster. No problem for us, or for the UIF, a bigger problem for the other side i guess.
Allow me to kill this thread as a neutral observer, not as memebr of the coalition.
If Templars and Mercs made this deal to protect the fief from an incoming Nord invasion, thus using the Templar-Nord-NAP, then that's a very sly move but unfortunately a legit one. Granted, borderline legit, but still legit.
Secondly, untill actual hard proof of this intention is given, you can only be guessing about their intent. In a RL court this argument would be wiped off the table instantly.
What the Nords SHOULD have done when they saw the swap, was contact the Templars, cancel the NAP, and attack when the cooldown was over. Now you just acted on gut and emotions, where diplomacy is a thing not to be take lightly imo, so its better to take 3 breaths and then act. So basicly you broke the NAP.
Neither side is right in this whole debate, nobody can claim moral highground here, both sides made dick-moves. The fact is however, Templars-Mercs made a legit move, Nords didnt.
The situation is what it is, can we deal with it now instead of whining about it?
Now?
Its not as if you wouldnt have merced for DRZ, Grey Order and Occitan all this time in strategus?
Oh wait: YOU DID. In all more or less big battles so far.
But its just NOW you declare for UIF...I see what you did there ;)
And even last night at 3am (german time) on the occitan battle 4 nords showed up on their roster.
So that time cant be THAT inconvenient for you.
Honestly I can't read any of this bullshit "As neutral observer" - Said by a HRE member.
we are now forced to declare for the UIF to secure our roster. No problem for us, or for the UIF, a bigger problem for the other side i guess.
Ah yes, Nords, can you plz gag this guy? My vessel filled to the brim with respect for the Nords keeps getting emptier every time this troll gets his say. And he gets about 50% of all your says. Shouldn't let a 16 year old with hormones bouncing in all directions be the spokesperson for your clan.
And read it, it is neutral.
Haha, I'm talking as a neutral for myself, not as a clan, so please fuck off.so as a neutral person you choose to insult ppl and totaly go off topic just to insult some more? nice move
so as a neutral person you choose to insult ppl and totaly go off topic just to insult some more? nice move :)
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Classy
Haha, I'm talking as a neutral for myself, not as a clan, so please fuck off.
This just in, Nords declare for UIF! (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20121003T193241&p0=3015&msg=Nord+Attack+on+UIF)
Lol - whether it was me or rogue is irrelevant but why would either of us lie about this? What would it achieve? Surely it is is much more likely that you simply misunderstood something that we may or may not have explained badly.
[29-09-2012 17:31:03] hey
[29-09-2012 17:31:08] gimme the nord marker thingy
[29-09-2012 17:31:11] the logo
[29-09-2012 17:31:12] with transparent
[29-09-2012 17:34:31] *** Opkald til Thovex besvares ikke. *** ((translated: Call to Thovex was not responded))
[29-09-2012 17:41:34] WAKIIIIIIIIIIE
[29-09-2012 17:41:37] stop eating
Its not as if you wouldnt have merced for DRZ, Grey Order and Occitan all this time in strategus?
Oh wait: YOU DID. In all more or less big battles so far.
I guess you only remember the battles you want to, right? :wink:Mostly the ones i took part in ;)
^
Talk about stuff you have any knowledge of, please? We've been mercing for whatever we wanted, against UIF factions and for them like a neutral faction does. I guess you only remember the battles you want to, right? :wink:
Just look at the way Andswaru declared Mercs as enemies pretty much. Joins TS wit that rude attitude and leaves before anyone can say anything. At least he could have asked to speak with Muffin or Tyr.
I like cootie's post but have to say that it still doesnt explain this damn 3.paragraph to me :(!
I think Nordmen could have handled all of this better. Poor diplomacy.
Talk about stuff you have any knowledge of, please? We've been mercing for whatever we wanted, against UIF factions and for them like a neutral faction does. I guess you only remember the battles you want to, right? :wink:
I have been selling neutral perspectives to people who wish to use them.
Just another one of the services offered by the Medici,sworn enemies of the Legione Italica and all who befriend it. May their heads find no rest, their bread be baked in blood, their sisters insist on just endless shopping for products of little interest, their salaries increase by an amount not substantial enough to deal with the rise of inflation and their paper delivery not occur on time. When they order food from restaurants, let it be slightly overcooked! Let their birthday gifts be generic versions of the things they wanted! May their teeth be off-white! May all their bathrooms have only air driers, and the older kind that is really underpowered and doesn't get the job done, not the new ones that actually work. May they forever be denied the taste of Chicago Pizza and Guarana Antarctica and that good cake frosting!Err umm yes totally neutral.
Try CTRL + F5, I redid some of it. The third paragraph did sound way off.
Most of the text is though just C/P from historical speeches regarding Annexation. Nothing to "understand" really :wink:
Also Thovex shaddup and go play with some Lego!
I'll have one question then I'm outta here:
What is it with the new fashion of "Neutral Perspective" when you are in one of the 2 conflicting "Sides"?
You're always biased even if you say you're in a "Neutral Perspective"... how does this even work?
The third paragraph in the declaration?
Try CTRL + F5, I redid some of it. The third paragraph did sound way off.
Most of the text is though just C/P from historical speeches regarding Annexation. Nothing to "understand" really :wink:
Also Thovex shaddup and go play with some Lego!
It's not my place anymore, but I think Nordmen should be wary of Thovex' manners, so far I just see him insulting people, tellin them to fuck off etc. Not very "classy", to put it like bagge. You've been in Nordmen for 2 months or so and yet you seem to have the biggest mouth out of all their 80-or-so members.
It's fine, I'll manage to keep calm because there is obviously something wrong with some people here so I'll just go play cRPG and finish the "wars" there.
I like turtle soup.(click to show/hide)
Yeah, blame us now :rolleyes: :mrgreen:
Knowing when to admit your faults is one aspect of maturity. Passive aggressiveness, blaming everyone but yourself and similar, is not. in fact, it's the exact opposite. I don't have a problem with you, but the Nordmen will have a problem with you when you keep making them look bad, just saying.
Also, bringing up completely irrelevant stuff as arguments is neither a display of maturity.
I have some experience in dealing with these factions, so I allow myself to sophisticated diplomatic advice :wink:(click to show/hide)
I haven't read a single answer of the Templars yet.
My 'answer'(click to show/hide)
And discussion about UIF is relevant to this topic as it was part of the negotiations.
I think my offer to hold Ismirala as an independant lord is the best solution. As everyone loves me.Actually a good idea. Let's get a randomer to hold it. Someone not in favour of Nordmen nor Merc/Templar/Fallen/HRE/
Actually a good idea. Let's get a randomer to hold it. Someone not in favour of Nordmen nor Merc/Templar/Fallen/HRE/How about King Werfried? He has declared war on you and everyone else so he's perfectly neutral.
How about King Werfried? He has declared war on you and everyone else so he's perfectly neutral.Nah, I was thinking of myself, since I'm completely neutral. It's true if I write it in a post. Just ask Harafat!
Also, I was thinking of someone completely neutral. To everyone. Ever. I don't think Antarians is in strat this round so maybe Randomdude? Someone like that.Why are you claiming king Werfried isn't neutral? We'll be at war with everyone eventually due to our claim being the entire EU strat map and we have me as a diplomat so we aren't exactly making any allies.
Nah, I was thinking of myself, since I'm completely neutral. It's true if I write it in a post. Just ask Harafat!(click to show/hide)
How could i be mad at a loveable toon like yourself? You have humor, style, and you are good looking! My marriage request must have been blocked by evil republican chadz!
I stick to my point, my post IS neutral, nowhere do i take sides in it. i tried to make the best resumé given information provided by both sides and forums. But ye, gief randomdude! And have some selfrespect, gag thovex!
ZzZzZz... You want me to stop, I'll stop if you get off my back now, 3rd post with the same stuff...
ok, but do stop.
Lego cRPG it is.
It's fine, I'll manage to keep calm because there is obviously something wrong with some people here so I'll just go play cRPG and finish the "wars" there.
Also, you are in Mercs since a month and have always had the biggest mouth. :wink:
But toodles! Let's fight in Strat battles instead.
Yes, which is why I said I'll stop discussing because everyone else is always right and the opposite side is always wrong.
I could go after all these discussions till it stops itself but you'd just keep on going, so xoxo. :)
ZzZzZz... You want me to stop, I'll stop if you get off my back now, 3rd post with the same stuff...
Good battle, was fun :)
God bless Crusader Alliance because they always have some nice crossbows.
I HATE Nords & Occitans for their ugly equipment choice :cry:(click to show/hide)
I was impressed by how well defenders did with such limited gear. Being naked an entire siege in a winter castle started making me feel cold.
Winning one battle is not winning the war. If I know a little about Nords, they gonna come back until they succeed.
I like how most of the comments here are from people which have nothing to do with the Thread Subject, and whom moral values have been completely messed up from the start. :rolleyes:
Vibe the independent
Damn... had I known this before I would have attacked you and looted your precious crates!
Yes bagge. Was an awesome fun battle.
We will enjoy victory for a bit, gg.
awesome fight everyone involved, lots of fun and exp, both sides somewhat satisfied i hope :) thanks for such epic siege
also bagge, i think i ate two or three arrows of yours 8-)
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Edit: The SoA actually begged us not to attack them and let them pass peacefully through or lands, in exchange for the fiefs,
The way you've said this aside... 2 fiefs in exchange for safe passage, and now you attack our caravans, thought you guys were better than this
And? Those conflicts were not started by us, and 3 players in one fight does not equal the handover of two fiefs, that we did in the spirit of goodwill and cooperation.
Furthermore, micah's caravan is only in nord lands because he was moving to fulfill a trade proposed by your leaders.
It is, and you guys being in our roster is a sign that you are submitting under Mork the Goat god after all dodnet, enjoy being goatcumcised.
Okay, don't know then so I guess you'll have to wait till Andswaru or anyone else replies.
OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG... where was that thread with committing ritual Sepuku? :shock:In exchange for mercing for us in our next three battles we'll agree to end our alliance with you.
I wish people would stop thinking that mercing against a faction means a declaration of war. Would make it MUCH easier for smaller factions to get mercs.This x1000, mercs should have the option of going anonymous btw.
I wish people would stop thinking that mercing against a faction means a declaration of war. Would make it MUCH easier for smaller factions to get mercs.
If you don't know, why are you the one whose voice is heard the most from Nordmen?
I wish people would stop thinking that mercing against a faction means a declaration of war. Would make it MUCH easier for smaller factions to get mercs.
Sure, as far as I know in the... the tiny button with hiring-notes mentioned something about hostility when applied against.
people tend to take this faction, enemy/friend thinking way to serious. only because sb plays against you doesnt make him an enemy. dont get why people cant be good sports and get along.
then again its a game, so i guess it turns us all into children.
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We had announced on the 'Battle Info'-page that anyone playing for the defenders in the attack would be considered hostile.
This to the merc quote, the only guys my guys had to fight for and not against were Templars, there was NO other Order out to them.
(they DID always end up on UIF side ;) )
That's what you get from a bad siege, a mad dictator wielding his whip mercilessly. :P
That's what you get from a bad siege, a mad dictator wielding his whip mercilessly. :P
Here it goes again. You haven't got a clue what you're talking about yet again. I've played for crusader alliance, have played against UIF in other battles, and I know other nords have done the same. I beg you again, stop trying to make truth of what you make yourself believe. :wink:As i said in some post some pages before I speak only about my own participated battles and I just checked again:
That's what you get from a bad siege, a mad dictator wielding his whip mercilessly. :P:lol:
Ok so the second attack has arrived, jolly good. Hmm so Grey Order is giving you supplies to chase us, nice.Sure, whatever you want baby.
Sure, whatever you want baby.
That supplies are not from us. At this moment Nords are to big faction to need them. Another failed conspiracy theory. I wish you good battle.
Anders hes talking about distance to reinforce not number of troops. What he is saying is that the only nearby army that was close enough to reinforce for another attack this quickly was Erasmus of the Grey Order. I have no idea if true, but would not be surprised.
Ah in that case, I see. But doesn't change the math of possible troop numbers.
But were gonna rename the next battle to the massacre of Ismirala garrison thou.
So Erasmas the Grey is not in Grey Order anymore? :lol:Interesting conclusion... how do you figure that ?
For agricultural tools we got furs and salted fish.
With only 50 defenders you will run out of time for the battle while still trying to get the wall down with the catapult. The abttle time should be relatively short, way too short to win a siege with the fewer mercenaries allowed in a fight with only 50 defenders (25ish??)
Luckily i brought 700 ladders then eh :wink:
There donkeys, and your not taking them too the seaside what do expect :pHehe nope we sold them to Nord_Pygar in Hrus Castle :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
So far i must admit i love this annexation.
Only scrubs use awlpikes. Real men use the pike
Real men kill their opponents with kicks only.
Pfff, melee is for pussy's. The only honorable way to kill a men is by using the ultimate ranged wep. Yes sir, a catapult that shoots a catapult that hurls a stone in your face.(click to show/hide)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_uWS6K-VF8&feature=player_detailpage#t=88s
best part was when....
What will happen if mercs actually manage to get a real army :D?!
Well, I spent most of the time on the ground, but the best part was when 12 of the BashiBazouks GTX 8-)Epic hehe
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Fun battle guys :)!
@2:
Knitlery_HRE 22 12
Naked but toping the scoreboard highest score on server :lol:
Well, I spent most of the time on the ground, but the best part was when 12 of the BashiBazouks GTX 8-)We didnt GTX because of battle bagge =)
Well, I spent most of the time on the ground, but the best part was when 12 of the BashiBazouks GTX 8-)Very reliable allies you got yourself there :D
Very reliable allies you got yourself there :DChampion Destriers.
On the other its only smart to run from merc's angry naked rouncy riders.
Champion Destriers.
Appearently nicknamed Rounceys by Fallens.(click to show/hide)
Destriers were 1/4 of all horses. 2/3 were rounceys, there rest were sumpter horses.
Just wait until we got our herd of lame plated chargers ready!
Champion Destriers.
Appearently nicknamed Rounceys by Fallens.
We didnt GTX because of battle bagge =)
Pray tell, how many did the mighty Cicero slay, and how many times was he slain as well? He is, after all, the self-proclaimed best warrior of all of Calradia.