The Annexation of Ismirala

[BASNAK]

Even if I belong to the other carebear alliance. From a neutral view, the Nords are actually right in this matter - Cheap try from Templars & Mercs, but nice try.

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Classy

[Mike_of_Kingswell]

Let's take a step back to reality.

a) Pulling out of the attack when it was already happening was never going to be an option, regardless of whatever silly faction the fief owner joined.
b) Even Templars must have known this, so the only reason they did it was so they would have some lame excuse to break the NAP.
c) In the end the whole farce has changed nothing, except that Templars have once again shown themselves to be deal breaking liars. If they'd just come out and said openly "We can't stand by while you attack Mercs, so we have no choice but to break the NAP", they would have ended up looking a lot better IMO. Still deal breakers, but not liars.

a) Afaik the actuall attack was not initiated LONG after that fieftrade happend since your leader WAS in our TS a long time and only after he left ordered the actuall attack. So there is reality
b) talking about excuses i could again go down the 'nords neutral this strat' card and mention that mercs have tried their best to get good relations going and stuff but it wouldnt lead to anything since I can accept that you have another point of view here ;)
c) Tbh in the end it is still you guys who pressed the "Attack ismirala Castle - owned by crusader alliance" button that is a fact.

[Thovex]

b) talking about excuses i could again go down the 'nords neutral this strat' card and mention that mercs have tried their best to get good relations going and stuff but it wouldnt lead to anything since I can accept that you have another point of view here ;)[/b]

If you'd know what was discussed at the meetings and found out stuff after, no - poor try in keeping good relations.

c) Tbh in the end it is still you guys who pressed the "Attack ismirala Castle - owned by crusader alliance" button that is a fact.

LOL NO.
It was Mercenaries, he quit faction and joined Crusader Alliance when the attack was already launched. And suddenly visitors can't see pics , please register or login


Please stop trying to bullshit everything now.

EDIT: Where'd my Gnjuspalm go, it was just in. 

[Tomas]

Thats still the case btw, no templar took over the fief even over 12 hours after the supposed handover took place. Strange aint it.

I'm pretty sure you can't transfer fiefs under lockdown for a siege.

[Cicero]

c) Tbh in the end it is still you guys who pressed the "Attack ismirala Castle - owned by crusader alliance" button that is a fact.

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[Thovex]

I'm pretty sure you can't transfer fiefs under lockdown for a siege.

Have you tried it yet?

[the real god emperor]

So Nords gave Ismirala back to Templars?

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j/k, but seriously i didnt get the last part

[Tyr_]

Have you tried it yet?

Yes Thovex, we have. Once a fief is under attack you cannot:

Change Owner
Spend production points
Sell trade goods
Change night time
 
Please man, if you have no idea whats going on, stay quiet

[Tomas]

Have you tried it yet?

I have never needed to, but you can't do much else with a fief so why would you be able to do this?  It is called "lockdown" after all 

As for Templars breaking the NAP, how on Earth were they supposed to know that the Nords wanted it when the claim for it was only posted after the Castle swap deal had been concluded?  For the record Mercs have owed Templars a Castle for ages now.  It was supposed to be Senuzgda Castle but mercs decided they couldn't give that away so Alpha asked for Ismirala Castle instead (presumably so that he could actually take advantage of the trade rights he had with Nords, rather than it being an empty deal).

Even after the Templars realised Nords wanted the Castle, they tried to come up with a peaceful solution to give Nords what they wanted and keep the NAP in tact, but all offers were rejected or vetoed.

Maybe Mercs pulled a fast one here, but at the end of the day it is the Nords who rejected diplomacy and made the attack, consigning Andswaru to his place in Strat History as "The New Kinngrimm".  Pretty impressive for a guy who only stepped up to power 2 weeks ago   

[Andswaru]

I'm pretty sure you can't transfer fiefs under lockdown for a siege.

Im pretty sure Tomas you told me yesterday that there was "fief ownership name change bug that lasts upto several hours" and that the fief owner had already been swapped just the page was failing due this "bug", im calling liar lair pants on fire.
Unless of course Templars lied too you... but who would believe that...

Btw i offered a deal too that was rejected.

[Gnjus]

you can make an alt Gnjus_the_only_leader_wiped_by_kapikulu

Indeed I could but I wouldn't wanna make any figments of your glorious imagination true, plus - it's too long for a name anyways. You can do better then that, Turk.

[Mike_of_Kingswell]

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You do read your own posts do you?
Faction: CRUSADER ALLIANCE
Thats all i said and your own screeny proves it...so please:

Please stop trying to bullshit everything now.

I stated several times that i accept your point of view in this so i would highly appreciate it if you could stop being butthurt about me having my own point of view. Furthermore if you dont bring anything to this discussion but "LOL", big  font size and semi insults please just dont try to participate.
Thanks a lot Thovex!

Cicero: Whatever your post is supposed to mean I cant seem to make any sence out of it. I think you just went to quoting nonerelated stuff again? I guess same for you: if you dont want to participate in a discussion with more than some stupid stuff than you dont have to !

consigning Andswaru to his place in Strat History as "The New Kinngrimm".  Pretty impressive for a guy who only stepped up to power 2 weeks ago 

As I said: already offered him a spot in the Fallen Brigade since he has the right spirit for it. But he didnt answer to that yet :/ (Offer still stands!)

[Tomas]

Im pretty sure Tomas you told me yesterday that there was "fief ownership name change bug that lasts upto several hours" and that the fief owner had already been swapped just the page was failing due this "bug", im calling liar lair pants on fire.
Unless of course Templars lied too you... but who would believe that...

Actually, it was Rogue who said that and he was referring to the colour change on the map.  He was attempting to point out that the fief had been switched even before the Mercs/Templars had posted their deal

[Andswaru]

Tomas it was you, but before we start back and fowarding lets just agree to disagree on that point.