Wall of text to the rescue!
Lol - whether it was me or rogue is irrelevant but why would either of us lie about this? What would it achieve? Surely it is is much more likely that you simply misunderstood something that we may or may not have explained badly.
Now that everyone hopefully had a good nights sleep (yes I went to sleep again after 10AM battle
) let's discuss with some saner heads.
I'm quite sure there have been misunderstandings regarding this whole ordeal. Perhaps the night time wasn't a ploy and if so then I am personally
sorry for making that assumption with my posts (nothing worse than wrong assumptions
).
There is however
no way to check the night time of someone who is
INSIDE a fief, so postulating that we should have checked it first before attacking is quite silly.
We never wanted total war (or bloc war), and we never wanted to be pushed into one side or another, but to stay in the middle as much as possible (as we did in the last Strategus until we got wiped), deal whatever is best for our faction with minor consideration for the two major blocs, which so far have made us butt heads with both who've been
umad about our defending/helping or trading with various minor neutral factions. We've been threatened with war
from both sides.
[29-09-2012 17:31:03] hey
[29-09-2012 17:31:08] gimme the nord marker thingy
[29-09-2012 17:31:11] the logo
[29-09-2012 17:31:12] with transparent
[29-09-2012 17:34:31] *** Opkald til Thovex besvares ikke. *** ((translated: Call to Thovex was not responded))
[29-09-2012 17:41:34] WAKIIIIIIIIIIE
[29-09-2012 17:41:37] stop eating
Regarding Ismirala, I was going to post this thread almost an hour (40 minutes or so) before Nocti -- it took
3 hours for the army to travel the distance from Tehlrog to Ismirala with Quick March.
We have felt since the beginning that Ismirala needed to be ours, in order to secure our Eastern Border, because that is
where 90% of the S&D terrorism we've experienced come through from, people use the forests as to avoid detection. This attack is more about defence than initiating any sort of war, we simply want the castle, nothing more have been arranged for, and we do not wish to expand our Kingdom further than what have been already been posted.
Andswaru made clear from the get-go that we wanted Ismirala -- though I believe I personally told someone on TS that we didn't "care" in the beginning, not sure if that was carried further by the person but no matter what it was
a mistake on my part due to our lack of an organized command structure in the beginning (which we're still trying to build).
That Merc's trade the fief 10 minutes before our Army arrives, if it's a coincidence or planned, I don't know, but as far as I understood Merc's likewise
made it clear in the beginning that they needed Ismirala for protection (we did also loosely talk about a deal in regards to free passage past the lands surrounding it), so that they suddenly trade it with Templars, why? Why not deal it with us then who've made clear several times we needed it. What do Templars need a castle for so far away from their lands?
I do not see an issue with the attack being carried out. It would originally have been at 19:00 (7PM) but we waited an hour where Andswaru discussed it diplomatically with everyone,
which ran into the sand, hence the attack was carried out. It was offered to us to cancel the attack and try 1 hour later (would put it at ~21:00 / 8PM) but we both weren't sure whether it was to too late to cancel, and what would happen if we did, 1 hour immunity on the castle, would we lose gear/troops and what not - it was deemed too big a risk with the uncertainty of losing everything. We were also told that the only way we could gain the castle would be through an Alliance with Anti UIF.
Also Dave, stop try and make it sound like we don't actually talk to our members and vote on issues, we do, you all tried to make the same argument in the last Strategus where I personally went out to prove that it was a complete fabricated lie on your end, by posting the ACTUAL VOTING POLLS from our forum. You want the discussions too? How about our private documents as well? Seriously, stop that crap...
This isn't about more than the battle for the Ismirala area, no matter how much everyone else want to make it out to be (and there's plenty of people playing who want to make it sound like they're saints trying to save Strategus for all of mankind).
Whether people disagree on carrying out the attack on Ismirala or not, a 10 minute window isn't much time to decide upon, and if an alliance is the only answer to gaining the castle diplomatically, then we don't see an issue with it being carried out, someone wrote that we should have cancelled the NAP and waited 7 days, yeah, we could have, but honestly that wasn't something we thought about when it was all playing out.
Now let's all try to diminish the hate and bickering. The care level in regards to losing or winning in Strategus is definitely too high. Obviously tensions fly when there's bullshit moves (such as morning or night attacks, or blatant lying via voice chats) - and yes, attacking the Ismirala (when Mercs had it) was not a grand move of good will - obviously - but a move made based on this being a war game...
