The Annexation of Ismirala

[LordBerenger]

Arrowine there is plenty of room in the desert in NA for you guys. Come back you know you want to.

Fuck that, there's no place for more factions in the desert. Too many already.

[Andswaru]

Firstly I asked Alpha if you had any influence upon his decsion to give us Jelbegi Castle in exchange for a NAP, he said NO he was just desperate for a NAP with Nords, due too his roster been weak and was hoping to cement this deal with a mutal roster support deal later on. This NAP also would of prevented us signing against the Templars. If we were mislead by the Templars regarding your role in that fief swap that is not our fault, take issue with Alpha regarding that.
Secondly if Dave is your Diplomat then may the lord have mercy on you. The man is a liability of the highest level, he came on TS and made an ass out of himself by repeatedly talking over others and claiming to know all the facts when all the previous dealings Nords had had were with Tyr or Muffin. That was the reason why he was kicked. He then spent over an hour in our IRC channel asking questions which we answered reasonably and honestly (due to the fact he cant talk over others in IRC so we could actually communicate with him successfully).

Edit: The SoA actually begged us not to attack them and let them pass peacefully through or lands, in exchange for the fiefs, they never mentioned once that you told them to give up the fiefs without a fight.
It must be hard having been such great diplomats and having no-one give you the credit you deserve, but I would take issue with the parties involved not making your contribution clear at the time.

[Falka]

Edit: The SoA actually begged us not to attack them and let them pass peacefully through or lands, in exchange for the fiefs,

Hm, you know what, you sound like a prick. Just saying 

[Thovex]

Hm, you know what, you sound like a prick. Just saying 

And you are a prick. Just saying 

[LordBerenger]

Thought Falka was a Nord. Or maybe i'm just tired.

[Mike_of_Kingswell]

To be honest I had medium to high hopes for the Nords this round.
They not only declared themselfs completely neutral not holding any grudges and stuff. ( Okey the did pull the 'ally whomever we need to crush our enemy' stuff but hey...)
But also they suprisingly started out under new command which might have ment a change aswell.

In the end it turns out its same old story of Nord claiming to be neutral&stuff but working with UIF anyways. Not that I am against you guys working with whoever you want. But if you do it please stop claiming you are neutral because you are obviously not and

it's completely obvious to anyone with two brain cells

Also its completly your choice of breaking any bargains, deals and treaties you ever made but the harder you try to justify it in this thread the more obvious it gets imho.

[Olwen]

Has someone posted a "mickael jackson eating popcorn pic" already ?

[Thovex]

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Forever scarred in a signature!

[Andswaru]

Also its completly your choice of breaking any bargains, deals and treaties you ever made but the harder you try to justify it in this thread the more obvious it gets imho.

What agreed upon deal did we break Mike?
All we have seen so far is a sneaky attempt by the templars and mercs to abuse the NAP we signed with the templars.

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Thats still the case btw, no templar took over the fief even over 12 hours after the supposed handover took place. Strange aint it.

[okiN]

Also its completly your choice of breaking any bargains, deals and treaties you ever made but the harder you try to justify it in this thread the more obvious it gets imho.

It's all the same to me, the first I heard of this whole business was when I saw the threads yesterday, but you'd have to be an idiot not to see that the ones really breaking the NAP here are the Templars -- as expected of them. You of course have an interest in defending your allies, but I trust nobody else is blind enough to fall for such blatant trickery.

[Gnjus]

Would I get banned if I were to make an alt called okiN_the_Grey ?

[Mike_of_Kingswell]

Well lets be honest it was a smart move that the mercs and templars pulled. Thing is: they pulled it before you pulled yours and as it stands now you are attacking the crusader alliance. Which basicly breaks the NAP which states you wont attack eachother.
Templars effectivly did NOT attack you but they gained a fief of the Mercs.

And talking about forever scarring  anyone within any signature i wouldent actually go that far since both sides didnt exactly pull classy stuff in here:

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<20:08:57> "A_Cunt": Andswaru: we wouldnt of engaged in any kind of talking with mercs
Andswaru: btw deadline is 8pm.
Andswaru: Okay
Andswaru: just saw the nighttime.
Andswaru: If you dont change it, or give us the castle, were gonna declare for the UIF.
Andswaru: You got 1 hour.

€: And even more important can ANYONE please now explain that damn 3. paragraph to me...i read it again and it confuses the hell out of me >.<!
€II:

What agreed upon deal did we break Mike?

Well besides the NAP ( you dont see it the way i see it and I accept that ;) ) the complete SoA Fief deal (again you might not see it this way and thats ok ;) )

[Cicero]

Would I get banned if I were to make an alt called okiN_the_Grey ?

you can make an alt Gnjus_the_only_leader_wiped_by_kapikulu

[Thovex]

€II: Well besides the NAP ( you dont see it the way i see it and I accept that ;) ) the complete SoA Fief deal (again you might not see it this way and thats ok ;) )

Was there a SoA fief deal? That was Mercs with SoA giving out "our territory" to SoA, which is complete ballocks, if you would think.

[okiN]

Well lets be honest it was a smart move that the mercs and templars pulled. Thing is: they pulled it before you pulled yours and as it stands now you are attacking the crusader alliance. Which basicly breaks the NAP which states you wont attack eachother.

Let's take a step back to reality.

a) Pulling out of the attack when it was already happening was never going to be an option, regardless of whatever silly faction the fief owner joined.
b) Even Templars must have known this, so the only reason they did it was so they would have some lame excuse to break the NAP.
c) In the end the whole farce has changed nothing, except that Templars have once again shown themselves to be deal breaking liars. If they'd just come out and said openly "We can't stand by while you attack Mercs, so we have no choice but to break the NAP", they would have ended up looking a lot better IMO. Still deal breakers, but not liars.