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Title: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Harpag on December 06, 2012, 03:50:09 am
Dear Friends ,

We would like to inform you that Grey Order is resigning from the participation in this Strategus round, and – most probably  - from participation in the following rounds as well.

It does not mean that all GO members will totally and immediately cease to play cRPG, or participate in Strat battles (it is all about fun and XP after all) but, as a clan, we will limit our activity to the minimum and, in particular, we will no longer make any further effort to build armies or develop economy.

There are few main reasons for the suspension of Grey Order’s Strategus activity:

I

As you all know, few of our clanmates were banned . Multiaccounting was presented as the reason and justification for the bans. We would like to the best knowledge of the Grey Order leaders no one of the banned players had more than one account. This multiaccounting story is as untrue as the constantly repeated stories about 100 CD-keys.

Accountsharing is another story. We have learned the lesson in the past and the scope of that practice was extremely limited to th cases were no other valid option was viable.  You have to know, however, that  the consequences (bans) we imposed only upon these of our members, who hold valuable items Strategus-wise.  We have lost all our caravans (including numerous goods)  and vast majority of our army. At the same time accounts with low number of gold, troop or armor remained untouched.  Our allies we treated in similar way, and the Unions was literally obliviated. 

Do not get it wrong - we are not saying that multiaccounting or accountsharing is fine or that it should  not be penalized.  That is a thing that raises emotions. Note, however, that there are threads on this form where folks advocate introduction to the game of possibility to manage accounts of other players.  What strike us,  is how precisely and selectively bans were casted. That made our conviction that we have to play not only against other clans but also game “administration” even stronger.

Judge for yourself how solid and unbiased are actions of our „administration”. Especially considering that it came to us - from the reliable source – that only UIF players were checked  as to whether or when the accountsharing was used.

II

Accountsharing did not come from the unstoppable strive for victory, or will to dominate the entire Startegus map. It did come from the observation that lead us to the opinion that from the very beginning we were treated unfairly, even cheated, and at the same time hypocritically accused for unfairness and rule-breaking, while in reality the rules were broken by many, not only “bad UIF guys”.  Despite animosities we have some good friends In the ranks of the our opponents. And we have heard the voices that they do not have faintest idea to what purpose and In what direction they move on the map. Just because it was done by somebody else. There was no hard evidence though, and nothing officially to complain for.

Quite recently one friendly person enlighted us how our opponents (and in their ranks admins or even developers, and all these mastering the art of whining on cheating and exploiting on the forum)  technically operate. Everything was done by two tools.

First of them was described  by Thovex here:

http://forum.meleegaming.com/diplomacy/anti-uif-troop-collection-competition-%28eu-dhirim-area%29/30/

(See full post in spoiler below)

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Interesting enough, this tool was not widely published, only the chosen ones were admitted to the “conspiracy”. And if it is true that developers  approved use of this tool, well that just shows why we do have justified feeling of being mistreated by “administration”.

The second tool is called “Teamviewer”. It gives you exactly the same as accountsharing, but in non-traceable manner, and on more massive scale. It provides ability to control clanmates computers, multiple at the same time, and even ability to wake up the computer if necessary.  That allowed for management of other clanmate’s accounts directly on his/her computer.

http://www.teamviewer.com/en/index.aspx

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We feel that it is extremely unfair and bold to punish our folks for – incidental In fact -  use of proxy, while other use sophisticated tools to get access to others accounts  and developer –level tools. List of users very long and quite impressive, most prominent members of this community are listed there.   This post, however, is not about accusing but about reasons of our decision, so go and ask others, we are sure that more than happy to share the details.

III

Another issue is the unequal treatment of the players from opposing alliances by game “administration” (on that you could already read above) and generally not caring for people who spend a lot of time and effort in this game.

It really is frustrating when the whim or simple negligence  deprives clan from its long term work results. It is frustrating enough not to agree for that anymore. And we really think it is the result of bad will. Just recall the wildly rescheduled battles, surprising Server crashes In most sensitive moments where the entire armies fall into hands of losing opponent without fight. And without repose of the “people in charge”; and where such response appeared  for unknown reason rectification of the problem somehow always favored our opponents.  It should not be like that.

For these – and few other – reasons we hereby suspend activity of the Grey Order. You will still see us on cRPC servers, in the roster of Strat battles as mercs, and in a few upcoming farewell battles. 

This is not GTX but rather frustrationquit or sadnessquit.  It is possible that you will see the Grey Order as an active player on Strat. But we believe this will happen only if:
In any event, we wish all of you lots of good fun and successes in this – quite unfortunately dying – mod.  All this things kill Strat and killing Strat may only become a nail in the coffin of cRPG. And lets pray its not the case.

On behalf of Grey Order
First Among Equals
Harpag_the_Grey
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Tears of Destiny on December 06, 2012, 04:05:01 am
Especially considering that it came to us - from the reliable source – that only UIF players were checked  as to whether or when the accountsharing was used.
So I guess we are ignoring Pale Horse and Kapi and others?


Anywho, goodbye.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Farrix on December 06, 2012, 04:33:54 am
removed.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: kinngrimm on December 06, 2012, 05:45:32 am
Last strategus at the time we traded together, i asked you if you would still use account sharing and you said no.
Imagine my surprise this strategus your faction would have been accused of it again and over night like 20 less members in your strategus faction were seen. I don't know what the process for those account bans had been, but if they had been unjustified i would like to see them unbanned, this is but not up to me.

For the screenies posted please read my statement here (http://forum.meleegaming.com/diplomacy/anti-uif-troop-collection-competition-(eu-dhirim-area)/msg670006/#msg670006)

EDIT:
anyways i initiated a thread in Strategus General(Strategus Enhancement Project (http://forum.meleegaming.com/strategus-general-discussion/strategus-enhancment-project/msg670041/#msg670041)), where i will provide information about the current developments and would answer any questions you guys here would have
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on December 06, 2012, 06:50:58 am
You guys were really entertaining strat 3, your presence will be missed.

Good luck in your travels, wanderers!
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Dalhi on December 06, 2012, 07:52:58 am
Last strategus at the time we traded together, i asked you if you would still use account sharing and you said no.
And he said the truth,  at that time account sharing was not used. From the beginning of the year untill summer I wasn't member of Grey Order so I can't say what happened then. But now, I really don't care that much about strategus, I only do things that I have time for if someone ask me for me that. But nevermind now.

About the whole thing with latest banwave... From my kinda limited knowlege about this matter all guys from GO received ban for account sharing, for all that still see no difference they have only 1 cd-key but they give their login and password to someone else to manage their strategus character. Well, it is forbidden, for long time everyone know that it is bannable and yet it happened.

In my opinion removing their characters form strategus and maybe few weeks ban would be enough... but banning their accounts permanently is way too harsh as in most of the cases their main guilt was their lazyness...  :rolleyes:.
Over a month has passed, in my opionion it is more then enough so I kindly ask for unbanning whose guys that were banned for account sharing. I think they learned their lesson.

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Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: BADPLAYER_old2 on December 06, 2012, 07:59:39 am
Shame to see UIF clans quitting but I guess I would too if even the game developers are bias against you :(, had more fun fighting with/against you guys since Strat 2 than any other factions.

Best tactics, best players, best equipment!
And like this thread shows, also the guys who make the most reasonable, polite and well thought out posts even when their main language isn't English.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: kinngrimm on December 06, 2012, 08:29:20 am
...

About the whole thing with latest banwave... From my kinda limited knowlege about this matter all guys from GO that received ban for account sharing, for all that still see no difference they have only 1 cd-key but they give their login and password to someone else to manage their strategus character. Well, it is forbidden, for long time everyone know that it is bannable and yet it happened.

In my opinion removing their characters form strategus and maybe few weeks ban would be enough... but banning their accounts permanently is way too harsh as in most of the cases their main giult was their lazyness...  :rolleyes:.
Over a month has passed, in my opionion it is more then enough so I kindly ask for unbanning whose guys that were banned for account sharing. I think they learned their lesson.
...
I am also of the opinion, that strategus access for a strategus rule breaking should be punished, but not the crpg characters complettly banned. Let them keep playing on the offical battle and siege servers, but with no access to Strategus battles(eu3/na3) or the Strategus Map.
This is generally speaking, not pointing here only to GO.

Punishment fitting to the crime should be always kept in mind.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: BASNAK on December 06, 2012, 08:35:38 am
I wish you good luck.

I hope there's no hard feelings towards the rebels, our attacks on you were nothing personal but only game related :)
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Arathian on December 06, 2012, 09:44:07 am
I am sorry but

WAAAA, I GOT CAUGHT CHEATING AND BANNED FOR IT SO I AM GONNA CRY MY EYEBALLS OUT NOW CAUSE I CAN'T TAKE IT LIKE A MAN!!!!


if you are gonna do the shit, you should be ready to accept the consequences. I don't really care if somebody cheats or not, but crying after the fact only lowers my esteem of you.

And this will be my first and last post on this idiocy of an issue.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: donib on December 06, 2012, 09:57:09 am
So uif quit? Now what? forever peacefull trading?
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Dalhi on December 06, 2012, 10:00:01 am
And this will be my first and last post on this idiocy of an issue.

God bless you for that.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Thovex on December 06, 2012, 10:00:31 am
So uif quit? Now what? forever peacefull trading?

Have fun in a virtual war simulation with the trading.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Tomas on December 06, 2012, 10:59:06 am
I am also of the opinion, that strategus access for a strategus rule breaking should be punished, but not the crpg characters complettly banned. Let them keep playing on the offical battle and siege servers, but with no access to Strategus battles(eu3/na3) or the Strategus Map.
This is generally speaking, not pointing here only to GO.

Punishment fitting to the crime should be always kept in mind.

But what then stops a players simply buying a new key for Strat and continuing with their banned chars in cRPG?  GO are not new to strat and have been involved with this sort of thing in the past yet still chose to break the rules because their predicted level of punishment was acceptable compared to the gains from cheating.  Hitting players where it hurts with their looms and levels is the only way to stamp this sort of thing out.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Tears of Destiny on December 06, 2012, 11:01:58 am
Have fun in a virtual war simulation with the trading.  :rolleyes:


Doubtful, history has proven that during extended periods of peace, the Fallen Brigade usually always end up stabbing someone in the back out of boredom, opportunity and principle.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Gingerpussy on December 06, 2012, 11:03:50 am
Burn in hell Grey cheaters.

We never cheated and i even posted proof so use this "tool" story to quit strat, i am only happy to see your polish ass out of cRPG.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Thovex on December 06, 2012, 11:05:12 am
Burn in hell Grey cheaters.

We never cheated and i even posted proof so use this "tool" story to quit strat, i am only happy to see your polish ass out of cRPG.

Mute this guy for having inappropriate language!

I want a ban(forum warning) for mr Thovex clearly use this on my thread for trying to sabotage my competition.
a aditional warning about his language is needed as well. Im demanding this becouse of the warnings i had on other threads. Now be FAIR.

He said it himself! Time to be fair.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Kalp on December 06, 2012, 11:05:42 am
Burn in hell Grey cheaters.

We never cheated and i even posted proof so use this "tool" story to quit strat, i am only happy to see your polish ass out of cRPG.


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Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: BADPLAYER_old2 on December 06, 2012, 11:09:51 am
Burn in hell Grey cheaters.

We never cheated and i even posted proof so use this "tool" story to quit strat, i am only happy to see your polish ass out of cRPG.

Are your wife and kids happy too?
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: NuberT on December 06, 2012, 12:23:01 pm
So fucking lame. I hope you are gone for good, maybe strat can be fun again after UIF is gone..

I am really sorry for the anti-UIF leadership, whom invested fucking shitloads of time to fight an enemy, that just gives up at the slight chance of defeat.. And this after they destroyed any fun in previous strat rounds with their lame meta-alliance..
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Strudog on December 06, 2012, 12:39:05 pm
Quote
Have fun in a virtual war simulation with the trading.

The only reason anti-UIF was set up was to counter the largest alliance of about 10 clans, we all said before strat 4 started we would rather fight between ourselves but it would be useless as one by one we would be picked off by the UIF and thus a creation f a mega alliance our side. All i can say is that strat will now become interesting with all clans battling with each other in many small alliances rathe 2 big ones.

Maybe a time to see if the UIF were the ones who made strat boring.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Macropus on December 06, 2012, 12:50:21 pm
strat will now become interesting with all clans battling with each other in many small alliances rathe 2 big ones.
That sounds a bit naive. I doubt this will happen.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: kinngrimm on December 06, 2012, 01:10:02 pm
That sounds a bit naive. I doubt this will happen.
perhaps you will be surprised, when you one day check strat and "The Coalltion" would be not there anymore but the factions HRE, GK and Fallen, no Apostates anymore but Mercs and Deserters, these Mega Factions ahd been founded after all to be more efficent and stand a chance against factions Like Union(STR and ?), The Empire(Bashi, Warpigs and ?)
and similar constructs.

I want more colors on the map, fuck efficency when it comes to representing your own clan. You need to make your stand in strat without being in the same faction with +9000 other clans. Having diplomatic relations need to made more clear, so people really can judge wth is going on and those who would try to be in a bigger alliance of sorts should get some restrictions as should be included restrictions for factions with a member count over 30-40!
Patchwork Empires FTW.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Thovex on December 06, 2012, 01:22:21 pm

Doubtful, history has proven that during extended periods of peace, the Fallen Brigade usually always end up stabbing someone in the back out of boredom, opportunity and principle.

Sounds like fun is gonna happen.  :P
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Macropus on December 06, 2012, 01:27:47 pm
perhaps you will be surprised, when you one day check strat and "The Coalltion" would be not there anymore but the factions HRE, GK and Fallen, no Apostates anymore but Mercs and Deserters, these Mega Factions ahd been founded after all to be more efficent and stand a chance against factions Like Union(STR and ?), The Empire(Bashi, Warpigs and ?)
I would be really glad to see that happenning, but as I said, I doubt it because end of UIF isn't a reason for those factions to divide into single clans. The problem is that making unions and alliances is more profitable and no clan would split up making itself weaker, just to fight with friends.
To me it seems strategus will soon have another two major blocks fighting each other.
Guess we need some more diplomacy features in strategus.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Haboe on December 06, 2012, 01:40:51 pm
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: BASNAK on December 06, 2012, 01:41:52 pm
What we need is, fewer slots in battles, MUCH MORE REWARDS (crpg gold, and more exp, exp is shit compared to strat 3 IMO)

This would would lead to:

- Smaller battles are more attractive
- You dont need 10 allies, or pacts with people to sign up for you
- You dont have to fill up 50 slots in a battle
- It would make "dont apply against us in battles" pacts less favourable.
- Signing up for strat battles more favourable

I currently think this has been the biggest problem in strat, and still is.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Vibe on December 06, 2012, 01:47:08 pm
What we need is, fewer slots in battles, MUCH MORE REWARDS (crpg gold, and more exp, exp is shit compared to strat 3 IMO)

This would would lead to:

- Smaller battles are more attractive
- You dont need 10 allies, or pacts with people to sign up for you
- You dont have to fill up 50 slots in a battle
- It would make "dont apply against us in battles" pacts less favourable.
- Signing up for strat battles more favourable

I currently think this has been the biggest problem in strat, and still is.

Actually, if you provide better xp and gold I don't think you'll have trouble filling up 50 people. Then again a dynamic player limit depending on ticket count would be welcome.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Pejlaen on December 06, 2012, 01:48:27 pm
It sucks if people got wrongly banned for rule violations which they never commit, hope that was not the case for anyone.
It also sucks that people got rightfully banned, although that is brought upon yourselves. Just refrain from cheating and there isnt a problem, how fucking hard can it be?

I wish you best of luck Greys, and as long as you play fairly and without cheating I think that Calradia welcomes you back should you wish so.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on December 06, 2012, 03:27:37 pm
It sucks if people got wrongly banned for rule violations which they never commit, hope that was not the case for anyone.
It also sucks that people got rightfully banned, although that is brought upon yourselves. Just refrain from cheating and there isnt a problem, how fucking hard can it be?

I wish you best of luck Greys, and as long as you play fairly and without cheating I think that Calradia welcomes you back should you wish so.
Some people did get wrongly banned, but it was necessary, at least in my opinion.

Anyway, good luck greys.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: chadz on December 06, 2012, 03:45:28 pm
No matter how long a post is, a GTX is still a GTX.

Let's talk facts:
For those that don't know, the banning for multiaccounting was done anonymously. Those who dealt with the bans had nothing but numbers, no names. They didn't know who was behind the number, they didn't know what faction that number belonged to. They could have easily banned themselves. Therefore there was no bias in banning multi accounters
Now here is where I want to turn your biased-dev argument around: If what I say is true, and a high proportion of the bans dealt hit your clan - what does that tell you?

Yes, the failed battle shit was horrible, for all of us. This was intended to be the most bug-free version of strat, and then this shit happened. I even considered restarting the round due to this, because it really has changed the strength of factions and was quite blatantly unfair. I honestly want to apologize for this. I think I have managed to fix it now, though.

However, what you are doing here is trying to lobby for allowing the usage of multi accounts. You know that leaving strat has a big impact on the game, and by doing so you try and force me into not doing multi bans any more.

And this is a really shitty move, sorry.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Erasmas on December 06, 2012, 03:57:19 pm
chadz, I am sorry to say I do not agree.

Noone is objecting against bans that were casted in fair cases (and equally to all culprits, despite of the clan). However, we know who was banned and who was not banned and how it relates to the accountsharing versus actual dmage made to the clan. And that leads us to the simple conclusion - this process was made in the selective and superficious way.  Having knowledge about tools that are used -  by many guys as far as we know it - and having knowledge about stratviewer, distributed in limited circle, allegedly with your approval, well, I personally dare to call it biased attitude.

How we see it - some rules can be broken without punishment, and some not. Some guys can do it and some not. That is the bigest issue here.

Do we lobby for usage of multiaccounts? No. We do lobby, however, for clear set of rules, and in-game mechanizm that allows to manage other clanmates accounts in sensible, limited and organized manner.

And no, it is not a GTX. We are not raging, and I personally am sorry, cause this game is fun after all.

Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: chadz on December 06, 2012, 04:09:00 pm

However, we know who was banned and who was not banned and how it relates to the accountsharing versus actual dmage made to the clan.
Not everyone was banned because sometimes evidence wasn't enough. Not banning someone was done the same way as banning someone - no names were known, so it wasn't biased "unban" either.

And that leads us to the simple conclusion - this process was made in the selective and superficious way. 
So you are saying I am lying, banning was done by selecting the player first and then trying to find evidence to support it, and not the other way around.

Having knowledge about tools that are used -  by many guys as far as we know it - and having knowledge about stratviewer, distributed in limited circle, allegedly with your approval, well, I personally dare to call it biased attitude. How we see it - some rules can be broken without punishment, and some not. Some guys can do it and some not. That is the bigest issue here.
In my opinion, tools are allowed. In general, everything that's not disallowed is allowed. Multiaccounting was clearly and multiple times disallowed, tools are ok in my book

We do lobby, however, for clear set of rules, and in-game mechanizm that allows to manage other clanmates accounts in sensible, limited and organized manner.
agree with that

Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Latvian on December 06, 2012, 04:15:27 pm
without UIF EU side of map will be too big
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Thovex on December 06, 2012, 04:24:21 pm
See you, Grey Order.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Wiltzu on December 06, 2012, 04:33:55 pm
I - this thread for various reasons. I like that you're in the strat, you create a lot of and large battles/sieges. This is a shitty and shameful move GO, you pussies. And there was a green light for this Strategus Viewer from the devs. Why do you think you weren't invited to this where as nords were? Well look into your past and figure it out.

I had fun playing on your side and against you. Cya around GO.





What comes to the Strategus Viewer, I'm on the edge. In a way it's cheating, but then again you only see what your OWN faction sees.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Zaharist on December 06, 2012, 04:38:37 pm
Hope to see you next rounds, guys.
Was pleasure to play with you since strat1!
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Erasmas on December 06, 2012, 04:44:51 pm
However, we know who was banned and who was not banned and how it relates to the accountsharing versus actual dmage made to the clan.
Not everyone was banned because sometimes evidence wasn't enough. Not banning someone was done the same way as banning someone - no names were known, so it wasn't biased "unban" either.

It is really hard to believe in. Let me put that straight.  More often accessed accounts remained intact, while the accounts accessed in singular cases were banned. The method was exactly the same. If the selection method was equal, how is that possible? And - by pure coincidence - the bans were given to the guys holdng valuable Strat stuff. I set aside the fact that some other guys from other clans, who accessed others accounts were not banned at all. Maybe that has something to do with the tools they were using.

And that leads us to the simple conclusion - this process was made in the selective and superficious way.
So you are saying I am lying, banning was done by selecting the player first and then trying to find evidence to support it, and not the other way around.

That is is exectly how we think it was done. We have no idea by whom (although there are some rumours) and I am quite sure it was not personally you ...

Having knowledge about tools that are used -  by many guys as far as we know it - and having knowledge about stratviewer, distributed in limited circle, allegedly with your approval, well, I personally dare to call it biased attitude. How we see it - some rules can be broken without punishment, and some not. Some guys can do it and some not. That is the bigest issue here.
In my opinion, tools are allowed. In general, everything that's not disallowed is allowed. Multiaccounting was clearly and multiple times disallowed, tools are ok in my book

Does this refer to the usage of tools as Teamviewer as well? I can't really believe that. To set aside the fact that such tools as Stratviewer, that greatly influence the game balance are not known to the public, while being used by some other users, is simply, that is, well, forgive my language, "not fair". And seeing post of Witzu above  provokes the question - so who was to be in invited in this magic circle , and who was to decide on that?

We do lobby, however, for clear set of rules, and in-game mechanizm that allows to manage other clanmates accounts in sensible, limited and organized manner.
agree with that

Thank you, +1 to you for that

On another issue - we really appreciate what you said about fucked up battles.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Tears of Destiny on December 06, 2012, 04:48:09 pm
Who is this "credible" inside source mentioned in the opening post? Please don't tell me it was someone taking Shik's irc rants about selective banning seriously.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Mike_of_Kingswell on December 06, 2012, 05:04:05 pm
I am really not sure if i should +1 the opening post because GO is leaveing and I like it because I think they got what they had comming.
Or if I should -1 it because even if it is a really well done post it doesnt change the fact that it sounds like buthurt multiaccount lobbying...

I respect a lot of players for saying GO will be missed and stuff...but personally I won't miss them one bit...

It is really hard to believe in. Let me put that straight.  More often accessed accounts remained intact, while the accounts accessed in singular cases were banned.


Not only do you call chadz a liar but you also admit to haveing done even more multiaccounting?
How does that make your argument better in any way?!

No matter how long a post is, a GTX is still a GTX.
+1 This.
Btw anyone  by any chance still has a link to the thread in which of a certain Gery Order member was banned for haveing over 100 accounts on his IP? Can't find it anymore but think it would be great in this thread to prove how bad the poor GO was treated in the past ;)
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Lt_Anders on December 06, 2012, 05:06:33 pm
Btw anyone  by any chance still has a link to the thread in which of a certain Gery Order member was banned for haveing over 100 accounts on his IP? Can't find it anymore but think it would be great in this thread to prove how bad the poor GO was treated in the past ;)

Was harpag, I'm sure.... I think the link...got removed. Was a pretty long time ago.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: chadz on December 06, 2012, 05:11:07 pm
I haven't heard of people using TeamViewer. This seems to be just another way to multi account / accountsharing , and is therefore considered just the same, as a heads up.

It is really hard to believe in. Let me put that straight.  More often accessed accounts remained intact, while the accounts accessed in singular cases were banned. The method was exactly the same. If the selection method was equal, how is that possible? And - by pure coincidence - the bans were given to the guys holdng valuable Strat stuff. I set aside the fact that some other guys from other clans, who accessed others accounts were not banned at all. Maybe that has something to do with the tools they were using.


I won't go into detail here, but there was more information used than just connections. I would assume that a player with a lot of strat stuff was checked more frequently, maybe by more IPs/different players. There was definately no knowledge of the items on the players.
The IP is secondary, the question was: Is multiaccount done here to get an advantage?
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Noctivagant on December 06, 2012, 05:11:23 pm
I like reading Harpag's posts while listening this

We'll cya
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Rikthor on December 06, 2012, 05:13:19 pm
Burn in hell Grey cheaters.

We never cheated and i even posted proof so use this "tool" story to quit strat, i am only happy to see your polish ass out of cRPG.

Hahahahahaha

Go outside and relax weirdo, stop getting upset in mods of bad video games.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: chadz on December 06, 2012, 05:15:40 pm
Also, if that was not clear: It's really sad to see GO leave, you do have my respect for running a clan that big so efficiently, I just think you sometimes cross the border to immorality, and that too far and too often.

I would prefer it if you'd stay.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Thovex on December 06, 2012, 06:05:04 pm
Hmm, teamviewer seems kind of easy to abuse, you can let your PC and you can set a password/id that will stay permanently.
You can even control it with your mobile phone. Are you sure that teamviewer is trackable though?

Because it seems kind of easy way to get around with almost no effort, plus I think the connection would be through the PC that is doing it, it's just someone else controlling the cursor.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: dynamike on December 06, 2012, 06:11:03 pm
without UIF EU side of map will be too big

And thus the rise of power for NA strat begins...
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Falka on December 06, 2012, 06:16:24 pm
In my opinion removing their characters form strategus and maybe few weeks ban would be enough... but banning their accounts permanently is way too harsh as in most of the cases their main guilt was their lazyness...  :rolleyes:.
Over a month has passed, in my opionion it is more then enough so I kindly ask for unbanning whose guys that were banned for account sharing. I think they learned their lesson.
This!

We never cheated
But I have 3 accounts in strat. But we never cheated...  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: dodnet on December 06, 2012, 06:25:50 pm
Hmm, teamviewer seems kind of easy to abuse, you can let your PC and you can set a password/id that will stay permanently.
You can even control it with your mobile phone. Are you sure that teamviewer is trackable though?

You know that there are hundreds of similar programs like that (netviewer, pcvisit...) that are used by computer administrators all over the world for years? Even windows has a build-in function called remote desktop. So here is my suggestion: Lets make it bannable if someone uses the Internet while playing Strategus! Its the only way!  :rolleyes:

The grey order popping up with a Teamviewer accusation is just LOL.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on December 06, 2012, 06:35:44 pm
But I have 3 accounts in strat. But we never cheated...  :rolleyes:
Sigged.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Haboe on December 06, 2012, 06:39:12 pm
But I have 3 accounts in strat. But we never cheated...  :rolleyes:

For real? Seems you run out of sensible things to say or are you completely clueless about that topic?
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on December 06, 2012, 06:40:39 pm
For real? Seems you run out of sensible things to say or are you completely clueless about that topic?
You're the clueless one, personally never seen his sons account in strat, but I have seen gingerpussy and his wife, they're always online at the exact same times.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Segd on December 06, 2012, 06:43:28 pm
The second tool is called “Teamviewer”. It gives you exactly the same as accountsharing, but in non-traceable manner, and on more massive scale. It provides ability to control clanmates computers, multiple at the same time, and even ability to wake up the computer if necessary.  That allowed for management of other clanmate’s accounts directly on his/her computer.

http://www.teamviewer.com/en/index.aspx
Now we know 4 possibilities to use multiaccs & accountsharing & never get banned:
1)Different IP(login from work\friends\second or third provider) multiaccs
2)Wife\kid\dog\grandma etc.  (they could even exist) multiaccs
3)Proxy or Tor  (it is suspicious but not 100% clear cheating) multiaccs or accountsharing
4)teamviewer & other similar tools accountsharing

Seriously, chadz, the only way to counter illegal multiacc is to make it legal completely or partially(like playing Strat battles with alt. chars or moving your clanmates on Strat map for some cost(strat. ticks))

Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on December 06, 2012, 06:47:49 pm
The only reason anti-UIF was set up was to counter the largest alliance of about 10 clans, we all said before strat 4 started we would rather fight between ourselves but it would be useless as one by one we would be picked off by the UIF and thus a creation f a mega alliance our side. All i can say is that strat will now become interesting with all clans battling with each other in many small alliances rathe 2 big ones.

Maybe a time to see if the UIF were the ones who made strat boring.

One can only hope.  It would be nice to see more than 2 "coalitions" of factions.  It seems it always dissolves into the whole map taking one side or the others.  Strategus would be much better if there were 5 or 6 factions fighting for territory like in native (rather than 10-20 factions and only 2 sides in every conflict).
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Noctivagant on December 06, 2012, 07:09:49 pm
One can only hope.  It would be nice to see more than 2 "coalitions" of factions.  It seems it always dissolves into the whole map taking one side or the others.  Strategus would be much better if there were 5 or 6 factions fighting for territory like in native (rather than 10-20 factions and only 2 sides in every conflict).

no more uif = no more anti uif

I can assure you.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Idzo on December 06, 2012, 07:13:13 pm
Seriously, chadz, the only way to counter illegal multiacc is to make it legal completely or partially(like playing Strat battles with alt. chars or moving your clanmates on Strat map for some cost(strat. ticks))


Not sure to +1-it or laugh...
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: serr on December 06, 2012, 07:13:32 pm
no more uif = no more anti uif

I can assure you.

No doubts here, there will be no peace in Calradia:) The question is will another two big alliances form or there will be a lot of small wars between separate factions/small groups.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Haboe on December 06, 2012, 07:15:33 pm
no more uif = no more anti uif

I can assure you.

At last strat might become surprising again... no longer 1 blok vs 1 blok, and with all the fiefs that get available small clans will have the time of their life. Strat as intended, one step closer today.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: dodnet on December 06, 2012, 07:25:37 pm
At last strat might become surprising again... no longer 1 blok vs 1 blok, and with all the fiefs that get available small clans will have the time of their life. Strat as intended, one step closer today.

Yeah sure... and somewhere out of nowhere a clan "White Bear" will appear with one quadrillion members and no one knows where the hell they come from. Of course ALL of these members are legally individuals!  :lol:
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on December 06, 2012, 08:20:24 pm
gf

cav nerfed,
I approved, JoE
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on December 06, 2012, 08:41:56 pm
no more uif = no more anti uif

I can assure you.

But there's no UIF in NA and it still always devolves into being side A versus side B in almost every conflict having the same factions on both sides.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Noctivagant on December 06, 2012, 08:52:29 pm
But there's no UIF in NA and it still always devolves into being side A versus side B in almost every conflict having the same factions on both sides.

We (Mercs) decided long ago to leave Rednecks and Mouse heads to their own business. Their war is their war, our war is ours, they've been fed up with EU interference and that's why they have their own continent. We might even apply to their roster if they decide to fight an EU clan, I'd fight for FCC. Especially if they attack Cotgs.
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Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Teeth on December 06, 2012, 08:54:40 pm
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

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Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on December 06, 2012, 08:55:47 pm
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

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Both
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Havoco on December 06, 2012, 09:35:30 pm
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

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Use ur multiple accounts to +1 and -1 on the other.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Vovka on December 06, 2012, 09:36:31 pm
At last strat might become surprising again... no longer 1 blok vs 1 blok, and with all the fiefs that get available small clans will have the time of their life. Strat as intended, one step closer today.
NA said the same before map split ))  :P
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Loki on December 06, 2012, 10:05:42 pm
I can only speak to when I was leader of the fallen brigade. Anybody I suspected of cheating or racism was removed or not allowed to join. We certainly didn't use third party software to move people around. I still have access to the fallen leadership forums and nothing of this sort has ever been discussed. I want a cheat free game above all else.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Ulmarth on December 06, 2012, 10:10:47 pm
ALL HAIL QUEEN HYGAT!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJsF8azljgU&feature=plcp
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Latvian on December 06, 2012, 10:45:38 pm
ALL HAIL QUEEN HYGAT!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJsF8azljgU&feature=plcp
200 billions of slave childs in basement !!!!!
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Haboe on December 06, 2012, 11:51:12 pm
200 billions of slave childs in basement !!!!!

Not for long anymore:

Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: dodnet on December 07, 2012, 12:27:35 am
200 billions of slave childs in basement !!!!!

Wrong! 200 billion gigatons of children!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Nightingale on December 07, 2012, 12:35:52 am
First and foremost I'll say I did not read the thread, only the first post... Then I checked to see your current position in strat, UIF still owns at least one third of the map?

Why just up and quit? You have more than a chance for survival, and think of all the fun to be had with the last stands of your cities? if it came to that? At least go out with style!? instead of turning all your holdings white.... leaving nearly 1/2 - 1/3 of the map up for grabs... Yes its a pity that some of your faction members got banned... but perhaps you should have thought about the consequences of cheating. Not saying that others haven't likely done the same thing. In my opinion you were given well enough time to stop cheating. Now at least go make EU strategus fun for all those people that have taken all this time to try to over throw your Empire.. Hell I don't even really care since I am NA... but still seems like you are quitting at the slightest sign of defeat.  :?

If you do decide to quit strategus. I am sure that wouldn't help your reputation at all... Quitter and a Cheater? I still say just fight it to the last village.

Also sorry If this topic has been derailed already I just seen it.  :oops:
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Segd on December 07, 2012, 12:39:46 am
and think of all the fun to be had with the last stands of your cities?
We have about 40k troops in DRZ lands ready for last stand  :wink:
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Nightingale on December 07, 2012, 12:51:01 am
We have about 40k troops in DRZ lands ready for last stand  :wink:

Awesome, as long as you guys aren't completely giving up. That makes me feel slightly better, that you at least plan to defend these cities. If the time is Ok for me, Ill sign up to help regardless of how much I hate ping.  :wink:
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Latvian on December 07, 2012, 01:13:07 am
Awesome, as long as you guys aren't completely giving up. That makes me feel slightly better, that you at least plan to defend these cities. If the time is Ok for me, Ill sign up to help regardless of how much I hate ping.  :wink:
get more of your NA friends to these EU battles :D (on enemy side)
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: BADPLAYER_old2 on December 07, 2012, 01:29:54 am
The only reason I think there is bias going on here with regards to bans is because there are people I know who multiaccounted on NA, and the devs have been told about them now so hopefully it will be dealt with but why would they have not been banned when the people in Grey did? To me it just seems like the UIF were checked more "thoroughly" for multiaccounting and it wasn't just banning CD keys with no names.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Latvian on December 07, 2012, 01:40:12 am
The only reason I think there is bias going on here with regards to bans is because there are people I know who multiaccounted on NA, and the devs have been told about them now so hopefully it will be dealt with but why would they have not been banned when the people in Grey did? To me it just seems like the UIF were checked more "thoroughly" for multiaccounting and it wasn't just banning CD keys with no names.
maybe not all people were checked and as chadz said many times    people chicking was random  those who checked did not know who they are checking so they could ban themselves
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Blackzilla on December 07, 2012, 05:44:23 am
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edit I was wrong, it was Fallen using third party software, but for in-game not strat.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Rubicon on December 07, 2012, 08:05:54 am
Come on Harpag, stay and fight till the end, you might lose or win who cares now everyone enjoy xp and competition, Never never never give up !
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Vovka on December 07, 2012, 08:24:42 am
Come on Harpag, stay and fight till the end, you might lose or win who cares now everyone enjoy xp and competition, Never never never give up !
We wait too long ) whole clans leave strategus of boredom, for the few who came only for strat fights bans and loss of armies and caravans was the last straw and they leave as well.
But even now, when we hardly recruit full battle roster we launch several attacks for XP and fun. And our enemies are just sitting in fiefs and beg tickets from randoms for a decisive victory over UIF )
Strat is not browser war game enymore that brings pleasure its all about turtling fiefs and shitposting on forum  :?
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Pejlaen on December 07, 2012, 08:35:31 am
Hmm, teamviewer seems kind of easy to abuse, you can let your PC and you can set a password/id that will stay permanently.
You can even control it with your mobile phone. Are you sure that teamviewer is trackable though?

Because it seems kind of easy way to get around with almost no effort, plus I think the connection would be through the PC that is doing it, it's just someone else controlling the cursor.

Not everyone will cheat/abuse at the first sight of an opportunity.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on December 07, 2012, 08:41:15 am
Not everyone will cheat/abuse at the first sight of an opportunity.
Mercs will though.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Tears of Destiny on December 07, 2012, 09:02:24 am
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edit I was wrong, it was Fallen using third party software, but for in-game not strat.


Courtesy of Illuminati who is now part of FCC. That program was for many things such as easier tracking of how many times weapon X kills, KDRs besides Battle, etc


Pretty nice idea, I wish there was a current version if it =\ . Differentiating the difference between NA and EU KDRs was also lovely so ping difference could be compared.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: KingBread on December 07, 2012, 10:25:12 am
I don't want them to quit. We will have to attack Templols a second after.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Vovka on December 07, 2012, 10:31:23 am
I don't want them to quit. We will have to attack Templols a second after.
they attack Merc right now, good opportunity for u to finish off mercs after those attacks  :P
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Pejlaen on December 07, 2012, 10:46:48 am
Mercs will though.

No
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Moncho on December 07, 2012, 10:51:15 am
Sad to hear this. Hope that if I ever come back to playing on EU2, I still have to face the grey and yellow hordes
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: KingBread on December 07, 2012, 10:55:27 am
they attack Merc right now, good opportunity for u to finish off mercs after those attacks  :P
Nah i'm not decision maker. I would happilly backstab everybody :)


On a related note i don't like how Grey's feel special. Like why somebody should like them or hate them more than any other clan. Greys seems to belive that devs have some special interest in destroying them why would they? Do Harpag thinks it is becouse they are super powerfull ? Or becouse they are paranoic and thinks that "THEY" are against them allways. What is the reason for this thinking other than some people were punished for cheating?
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: RamsesXXIIX on December 07, 2012, 10:56:17 am
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This GTX is gay, no doubt about it. chadz made it very clear, there has been no differentiating in who has been banned. The reason your players have been banned is because they cheated, end of story. It has been the same thing across whole strategus.

Ever since the UIF beat the Templar block more than two years ago, you've been the single strongest force in strategus. For two years, you've been comfortably sitting on the throne of power, knowing that you would never lose, you would have an easy time and you could win when you wanted. In these two years, your enemies have been fighting an uphill struggle, always knowing that the UIF was bigger, more connected and more organised than any other resistance. We always knew that we were at a disadvantage.  To me, it just looks like you're quitting because, for the first time in two years, you're losing.

I think some quotes from Harpag here is nice:

Osiris and all the others who are thinking like him + 157 (lol). Templols lose some battles, but fighting bravely, and never cry. Despite the ongoing war, I personally respect them. These are nice guys and are able to play. We have a lot of fun, cool RP, a lot of XP etc. You tearful assholes, take from them example, instead of mindlessly criticize.

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I wish the same would be for GO.

Guys, if I offended you, I did it unintentionally. I didn't  know that you are so gentle. My english is poor, so sometimes my posts look strange. But generally  I don't change my opinion. After losing the campaign, you looks for a fault in the attitude of other people or in the game mechanics, rather than to correct your own actions. This is your problem. At the time of the attack from the EU, you can probably use the truce and unite against a common enemy. It was obvious that you will be attacked. You don't live in a vacuum and this must be taken into consideration. You have to get organized. Otherwise you will be at the stage of tribal fighting. I'm trying to provoke you into a hot fight, and not to discourage the game ... I wish you good luck.

PS. The truth always hurts the most. Sorry.

Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Blueberry Muffin on December 07, 2012, 11:07:29 am
Oh dear Zlisch I cant remember how many times it has to be said. I know gingers son and wife, many members haveeach other on fb etc etc, and kittya does even play on ts sometimes. We dont use this thingy Kinngrimm came up with, they asked me to make an account, I looked at it and then deleted it. We do not cheat, I would not be in the clan if we did, believe me.


Also sorry for derailing; even though I think that was a lost cause already, good luck in whatever new game you go to.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Gingerpussy on December 07, 2012, 11:52:36 am
Is it only me that reads the thread ? don't you guys see that Greys now admit to multi account more, and that those accounts haven't been baned ?
They even admit to teamveiwer wow, how far can u guys go for cheating ? leaving ur hole computer up for whoever controls the greys. Im sad-

I am all so surprised that some members of this community would like to have these players back into the game. If you guys cant see all the new keys all ready been made.

And those who accuse me my wife or my son for cheating can rest assured that i am 100 % sure that i am one of those that are checked very much just because your accusations.


Grey will not quit the game, they want some PR.

this thread is reducouls attempt to force multiaccounting on strat as legal, and to accuse others of cheating when we all know who does what.


PS! UIF have a lot of information about us Mercs, and if we even cheated a little the spys would blow the wistle. Think about this----
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Vovka on December 07, 2012, 11:57:39 am
Is it only me that reads the thread ? don't you guys see that Greys now admit to multi account more, and that those accounts haven't been baned ?
They even admit to teamveiwer wow, how far can u guys go for cheating ? leaving ur hole computer up for whoever controls the greys. Im sad-
I am all so surprised that some members of this community would like to have these players back into the game. If you guys cant see all the new keys all ready been made.
And those who accuse me my wife or my son for cheating can rest assured that i am 100 % sure that i am one of those that are checked very much just because your accusations.
Grey will not quit the game, they want some PR.
this thread is reducouls attempt to force multiaccounting on strat as legal, and to accuse others of cheating when we all know who does what.
PS! UIF have a lot of information about us Mercs, and if we even cheated a little the spys would blow the wistle. Think about this----

 Give us link on personal page ur wife on Facebook pls. Iam sure on ava she play in strat  :P It is not fair that only devs have it  :?
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Dalhi on December 07, 2012, 12:08:14 pm
They even admit to teamveiwer wow

lulwhere

Anyway, the whole post wasn't supposed to be published so ealry and unfortunatly it is now to strongly connected with this strategus viewer bullshit, I don't really care what it does and whatsover. Pretty much everything explains Vovka's post
We wait too long ) whole clans leave strategus of boredom, for the few who came only for strat fights bans and loss of armies and caravans was the last straw and they leave as well.
But even now, when we hardly recruit full battle roster we launch several attacks for XP and fun. And our enemies are just sitting in fiefs and beg tickets from randoms for a decisive victory over UIF )
Strat is not browser war game enymore that brings pleasure its all about turtling fiefs and shitposting on forum  :?

Suspending activity in strategus was something that had to come, and it was discussed for over a month now. For now just enjoy upcoming battles and if you are planning to go full retard on the forum like few guys are doing... just don't.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Gingerpussy on December 07, 2012, 12:11:41 pm
Give us link on personal page ur wife on Facebook pls. Iam sure on ava she play in strat  :P It is not fair that only devs have it  :?
My sexy wifes pictures is for chadz only if he want it :D
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Gurnisson on December 07, 2012, 02:23:23 pm
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Quit the game
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: autobus on December 07, 2012, 02:30:22 pm
PS! UIF have a lot of information about us Mercs, and if we even cheated a little the spys would blow the wistle. Think about this----
I've been RuConquista member back in times when we were allies and i can blow couple wistles for you if you ask me.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Haboe on December 07, 2012, 03:27:22 pm
Good battles today, amusing and challenging, keep up the fighting ^^
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Pejlaen on December 07, 2012, 03:33:10 pm
It's sad that you're quitting since you're one of the biggest factions and it's a big loss for C-rpg/strat.

I'm just not sure whether I will miss you or not. There is no biasy in the bans, seriously. You had it coming after you've been cheating for soooo long, honestly since I started playing 1,5 year ago one of the first thing a widespread of random players told me were that Greys were a cheating clan. A label well earned -.- or were people wrong?

The fact that you're so closed associated with cheating made every battle in strat against you have a bitter taste to it, even if the battle were fun and there maybe were no cheating involved in the aspects which led to the battle, you could NEVER be sure. You deserve these bans for breaking the rules, and then leaving the game screaming "UNFAIR" when you get punished for playing unfairly, well... haha. So now that cheating are being dealt with and the effects of cheating cancelled out, you're leaving the game? To be completely honest that decision doesnt surprises me. Those of you that were cheating, all I will say to you is that you were never good for this game, or at this game.

Some other minor aspects of you will be missed though, along with some of your players.

Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on December 07, 2012, 04:02:01 pm
Oh dear Zlisch I cant remember how many times it has to be said. I know gingers son and wife, many members haveeach other on fb etc etc, and kittya does even play on ts sometimes.
I fully believe they're actual real people, I just don't believe they're the ones who make their moves in strat.
And those who accuse me my wife or my son for cheating can rest assured that i am 100 % sure that i am one of those that are checked very much just because your accusations.
Good old Merc bullshit™, chadz stated in this very thread that the people doing bans had no idea who they were looking at.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Noctivagant on December 07, 2012, 04:04:05 pm
I fully believe they're actual real people, I just don't believe they're the ones who make their moves in strat.

Because yelling through the living room is such an impossible task
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Vovka on December 07, 2012, 04:11:03 pm
Because yelling through the living room is such an impossible task

Yep
Evening. Living room. Pussy Kittia and Tube

T: daddy i must go sleep but this bad guy from uif run away from me can u attack him from my PC
P: Sure son
K: Oh honey u so cute btw iam hiding in forest from nords can u move me as well so i can sleep tonight
P; sure darling!
T,K: u are so a greaty daddy!
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Lizard_man on December 07, 2012, 04:12:29 pm
I fully believe they're actual real people, I just don't believe they're the ones who make their moves in strat.

You could say that for just about anyone in a clan, it's called orders. Do this, do that, buy these, go here. In a sense, noone gets to make there own moves, most of it comes from someone else. As for Ginger and his family, why not work together as one in strat. In fact, why wouldn't you?

And Zlisch, give this "Good old Merc bullshit" crap a rest. You tend to talk alot of shit yourself...
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on December 07, 2012, 05:03:51 pm
You could say that for just about anyone in a clan, it's called orders. Do this, do that, buy these, go here. In a sense, noone gets to make there own moves, most of it comes from someone else.
I didn't mean that they didn't get to decide what moves to make, I meant I find it practically impossible to believe they personally move instead of gingerpussy just doing it "for them".
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Black_Holes on December 07, 2012, 05:18:06 pm
Good old Merc bullshit™, chadz stated in this very thread that the people doing bans had no idea who they were looking at.

....That's exactly gingers point, he was looked at anonymously and not found to be multiaccounting.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on December 07, 2012, 05:25:11 pm
....That's exactly gingers point, he was looked at anonymously and not found to be multiaccounting.
Quote
And those who accuse me my wife or my son for cheating can rest assured that i am 100 % sure that i am one of those that are checked very much just because your accusations.
That was what I quoted.
That is why it's bullshit.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: BADPLAYER_old2 on December 07, 2012, 05:35:19 pm
You could say that for just about anyone in a clan, it's called orders. Do this, do that, buy these, go here. In a sense, noone gets to make there own moves, most of it comes from someone else. As for Ginger and his family, why not work together as one in strat. In fact, why wouldn't you?

Because then that is account sharing, he might have a wife and kids i'm sure he probably does, they even probably play cRPG. But do they do things themself on strat? I doubt it.
If it is ginger moving them then that is 1 person moving 3 accounts, nothing different than what some people in the UIF have done except they did it in longer distances where it is easier to track and ban than in 1 household.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Lizard_man on December 07, 2012, 05:37:07 pm
Keep throwing your accusations. Most people that play crpg on a regular know that these are legitimate players, who have every right to play strategus as the rest of us...
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: BADPLAYER_old2 on December 07, 2012, 05:38:23 pm
Keep throwing your accusations. Most people that play crpg on a regular know that these are legitimate players, who have every right to play strategus as the rest of us...

Just like the people who were banned in the Grey for example were legitimate players, does it change the fact that other people moved them in Strategus and that is against the rules?
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Black_Holes on December 07, 2012, 05:38:48 pm
Well unless Ginger is 100% sure because chadz told him at a later date then you are just calling bullshit on hyperbole, which is pretty pointless.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Lizard_man on December 07, 2012, 05:55:29 pm
Just like the people who were banned in the Grey for example were legitimate players, does it change the fact that other people moved them in Strategus and that is against the rules?

Legitimate players that were found guilty! You can say all you want, but at the end of the day, you don't know. Why is it so hard for you to consider that Ginger gives them instructions on what to do in Strategus, they live under the same roof and it gives them a good opportunity to have good coordination in Strat.

It's funny, what are you trying to do? Justify the cheating for the people that got banned by throwing unnecessary accusations around. Where were you when whole topic of multiaccounting was brought up ages ago, it's only a problem when it hits your friends? It's ridiculous, and I fucking hate cheaters. When Mercs talk about multiaccounting and such, we are labeled as whiners! And when you do it, it's all for some just cause? Fuck off! there's some serious muppets in this community...
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Pejlaen on December 07, 2012, 06:29:18 pm
Zlisch why are you here? You havent been right in a single thing you've accused Mercs of and you're seriously not contributing to anything. Just dont post if you're only posting for the postings sake -.-
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Molly on December 07, 2012, 07:03:25 pm
[...]Just dont post if you're only posting for the postings sake -.-
I love that sentence  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Tanken on December 07, 2012, 08:08:02 pm
Good luck guys, sad to see a large well-respected clan (at least from most decent NA player's perspective) take off.


May your paths take you all to prosperity.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Buschtrommel on December 07, 2012, 08:08:34 pm
hahahahahahahahaahahha :twisted:    JUST POOR UIF  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Vovka on December 07, 2012, 10:38:14 pm
Legitimate players that were found guilty! You can say all you want, but at the end of the day, you don't know. Why is it so hard for you to consider that Ginger gives them instructions on what to do in Strategus, they live under the same roof and it gives them a good opportunity to have good coordination in Strat.

 Let's forget about Pussy and banned guys.

The situation:

A.
2 player is constantly active on cRPG (10+ generation, 30+lvl) gived their passwords to the third, which makes moves for them if they cant. They were detected by IP and banned.

B.
Father make moves (or not but u never know for sure) from son's account  or wife, or brother (they are not hard players so they have only STF characters 1 generation) , and he regularly uses their characters (with the same frequency as the Banned from the first example). But he does not deny that it was his family and they are all play from 1 IP. They stay in game (even if family NEVER play in strat battles). They not banned cos admins cant prove the fact of using someone else's account. Since wife's acc is still acc of another players.


  So cheaters in bouth example but we have Banned players from the first example with the 10+ generation and 30+ lvl. And not banned guys with STF characters from the second example due to a lack of evidence. Obvious that the guys from the first example will be outraged.
  So to use "legit accsharing" enough to have a loving family. Since it is not possible to prove that it does not exist, and therefore there u will not be banned.

Yes, part of the cheaters banned, but the other part is not due to a lack of evidence. And if honest I do not think that problem can be solved by bans.

Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Haboe on December 07, 2012, 10:41:48 pm
Yes, part of the cheaters banned, but the other part is not due to a lack of evidence. And if honest I do not think that problem can be solved by bans.

Just because its not clear for me, are you saying that the ones that do have enough evidence vs them should not get banned?
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Vovka on December 07, 2012, 10:47:34 pm
Just because its not clear for me, are you saying that the ones that do have enough evidence vs them should not get banned?

 someone from devs said that were banned only the most obvious players, many were suspicious but they still in game, because you can not say for sure they are guilty or not.

So if u think what u are smart and use Tor or proxy u will be banned. If u a simple village guy and live with ur family u will not.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Tears of Destiny on December 07, 2012, 10:49:45 pm
someone from devs said that were banned only the most obvious players, many were suspicious but still they stay in game, because you can not say for sure they are guilty or not.


Which dev? I can think of one dev who was babbling on irc about the bans that said dev was not involved in and was promptly told to shut up due to spreading bullshit.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Haboe on December 07, 2012, 11:02:10 pm
someone from devs said that were banned only the most obvious players, many were suspicious but they still in game, because you can not say for sure they are guilty or not.


I am sorry vovka, that a dev with no name managed to troll you, but a kind of reliable source told us otherwise:

No matter how long a post is, a GTX is still a GTX.

Let's talk facts:
For those that don't know, the banning for multiaccounting was done anonymously. Those who dealt with the bans had nothing but numbers, no names. They didn't know who was behind the number, they didn't know what faction that number belonged to. They could have easily banned themselves. Therefore there was no bias in banning multi accounters
Now here is where I want to turn your biased-dev argument around: If what I say is true, and a high proportion of the bans dealt hit your clan - what does that tell you?

Yes, the failed battle shit was horrible, for all of us. This was intended to be the most bug-free version of strat, and then this shit happened. I even considered restarting the round due to this, because it really has changed the strength of factions and was quite blatantly unfair. I honestly want to apologize for this. I think I have managed to fix it now, though.

However, what you are doing here is trying to lobby for allowing the usage of multi accounts. You know that leaving strat has a big impact on the game, and by doing so you try and force me into not doing multi bans any more.

And this is a really shitty move, sorry.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Vovka on December 07, 2012, 11:17:34 pm
You live in a perfect world) I will not persuade you)
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Haboe on December 07, 2012, 11:20:05 pm
 :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on December 07, 2012, 11:31:51 pm
I am sorry vovka, that a dev with no name managed to troll you, but a kind of reliable source told us otherwise:
Now, this is not me claiming the dev team tried to ban purely uif due to some form of bias, I don't believe that in any way...
...however, what Vovka said was that he believed that the devs only banned people who it was practically certain did multiaccount, and that vovka believes that multiaccounters better at hiding it are still playing, of course this is purely the views of Vovka, in no way mine. I personally think his point was that he thinks it's unfair that only the ones bad at cheating got banned while the good cheaters are still out there, no idea though, also think what's he's also trying to state is that banning people isn't really the solution as this is impossible to actually really make impossible to do without getting caught.
EDIT: Wonder how my possible misinterpretation of what Vovka meant could offend some Ruskie, commies gonna commie I guess.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Haboe on December 07, 2012, 11:33:53 pm
The moment you start to accuse devs from doing wrong on the mod you might as well stop playing.
Have some trust in the guys that made it possible for us all to enjoy this game so much...

Also, not being able to ban the sneaky cheaters is no excuse not to ban the obvious ones first. Without a doubt the others will also get banned as soon as there is proof against them
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on December 07, 2012, 11:39:29 pm
The moment you start to accuse devs from doing wrong on the mod you might as well stop playing. Disagree, as long as you have reasonable evidence, which I don't believe uif has.
Have some trust in the guys that made it possible for us all to enjoy this game so much... 1+

Also, not being able to ban the sneaky cheaters is no excuse not to ban the obvious ones first. Without a doubt the others will also get banned as soon as there is proof against them 1+
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Haboe on December 07, 2012, 11:41:39 pm
Well said brother goat ^^

Was gonna say back to topic now, but thats about 8 pages too late i guess.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on December 07, 2012, 11:42:43 pm
Well said brother goat ^^

Was gonna say back to topic now, but thats about 8 pages too late i guess.
Only three pages for people using the secret goat hax made by wolves.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Falka on December 07, 2012, 11:44:58 pm
I am sorry vovka, that a dev with no name managed to troll you,

This dev has a name. Good name. I think you may know him.

Not everyone was banned because sometimes evidence wasn't enough.

That's more or less the same what Vovka said.
someone from devs said that were banned only the most obvious players, many were suspicious but they still in game, because you can not say for sure they are guilty or not.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Vovka on December 07, 2012, 11:47:25 pm

Thanks I was too lazy to look for a quote XD
I do not say that mercs or templar or any antiuif not banned because of lack of evidence. I just want to say that while we banned obvious cheaters, the advantage of a smart cheaters only risen.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Haboe on December 07, 2012, 11:49:25 pm
Gonna make and attempt anyway by trowing in my personal opinion:

Can't say im sad to see grey's leave strat, on the contrary, with them not putting so much time in it i am convinced that we can have a cheat-free casual war which both sides can enjoy.
Lots of battles where both sides can fight with pleasure, not worrying too much about the outcomes and gain a load of exp instead of us both stocking up in our fiefs.

Strat as it should be, its a shame it had to come this far (them quitting) before i really got to enjoy fighting grey's at this level.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Adalwulf on December 08, 2012, 12:01:07 am
Finally we can get rid of these World War type strat maps and back to the kingdom vs kingdom strat that was fun since strat1. These alliances have destroyed any fun about playing strategus.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Vovka on December 08, 2012, 12:08:29 am
Finally we can get rid of these World War type strat maps and back to the kingdom vs kingdom strat that was fun since strat1. These alliances have destroyed any fun about playing strategus.
u need roster so after  5-10-15 battles all will split to 2 side/team/roster again  :P
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Idzo on December 08, 2012, 12:13:05 am

Yes, part of the cheaters banned, but the other part is not due to a lack of evidence. And if honest I do not think that problem can be solved by bans.

I agree, +1

It cant be solved with bans, devs should reward em with 5 extra accounts.... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Haboe on December 08, 2012, 12:13:16 am
I have seen a lot of clanless players lately that have proven themselves worthy of a spot in the roster.

If uif is no more and are thus no longer enemy's im sure they are welcome in a lot of rosters later on, there are good players there.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: SHinOCk on December 08, 2012, 12:17:26 am
Gonna make and attempt anyway by trowing in my personal opinion:

Can't say im sad to see grey's leave strat, on the contrary, with them not putting so much time in it i am convinced that we can have a cheat-free casual war which both sides can enjoy.
Lots of battles where both sides can fight with pleasure, not worrying too much about the outcomes and gain a load of exp instead of us both stocking up in our fiefs.

Strat as it should be, its a shame it had to come this far (them quitting) before i really got to enjoy fighting grey's at this level.


I would quit too if so many ppl from my faction got banned cheater or not. when you've been playing for years with the same people you're not gonna turn on them just because you learned they gave their password to someone else for a fucking browser game lol lets get serious, all this shit is killing the mod.. and im not even playing EU side. All i've been seeing since the beginning of this strat is whining and more whining, granted what the banned people did was wrong, i still can't believe how many cry babies are in the Merc faction lol reminds me of my sister crying to my mom when i was messing with her until she got told to deal with it and stop being annoying.

The issue has been partly dealt with since im sure theres a shit ton of "good"cheaters are still out there (Pointing at all the factions there, even mine) so can you guys stfu already, put that pacifier in your mouth wipe these tears and move along!?
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Haboe on December 08, 2012, 12:21:17 am
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Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: SHinOCk on December 08, 2012, 12:26:45 am
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if that's pointed to me and i somehow feel like it is, let me just say that even tho i don't enjoy drama, i sometimes feel the need to tell my opinion if its something that i feel has not been said.. clearly at least and with the amount of retards i've seen posting about the multi-accounting lately, i felt i had to tell my opinion.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Falka on December 08, 2012, 12:27:28 am
we hardly recruit full battle roster
So maybe it's time to provide your TS in battle description, eh?  :wink:
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Haboe on December 08, 2012, 12:32:11 am
if that's pointed to me and i somehow feel like it is, let me just say that even tho i don't enjoy drama, i sometimes feel the need to tell my opinion if its something that i feel has not been said.

And thats exactly what i did by the text you quoted off me. I don't intend to whine, i posted to share my opinion on this whole situation.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Noctivagant on December 08, 2012, 03:46:11 am
Enough with that wife son and holy ghost shit lets look at something. Could you please explain why you tolerate this! but why you have questions about Ginger. No I will not use a spoiler.

Quote from: Bashi_Kocik
my 2nd serial banned for that reason i think. i only bought 2nd game for another main and skip to fun chance. never think or play strategus with 2nd serial. and won't do it if u unban.

account name is "thepicpike"
Quote from: BlackMilk
My buddy stopped playing warband and now I'm using his warband key to try out some builds via stf in crpg only. (I've been doing this for quite a long time now and never used the 2nd one in srat)

Risen_SG_BlackMilk
Risen_Smart_Gay
Quote from: zDevilbox
1 key T_sgt_zDevilBox - my key
2 key Gregarian - my Brother
3 key Serjaminio - Our general key(Skip the fun), On strategus does not participate,If there is that remove
« Last Edit: October 17, 2011, 12:57:30 pm by zDevilBox »
Quote from: Bashi_Gavranovic
Hi,I am bashibazouk_Gavranovic,

I have a brother and we are playing different computers.We are playing same IP but we are playing different computers. My computers is not good for playing siege servers and we changed computers.You can ban me if I and my brother play same computer but please be careful our computers not IP's and also we dont know atm who is banned or not but this is the list that people in bashi that is living is same house.


BashiBazouk_Gavranovic &Bashibazouk_Feachix = living in same house  (brother)
We are irl friends with BashiBazouk_Ujuki , BashiBazouk_Bashko so sometimes we visit each other's home to play
Quote from: GTX
Me and razzen live in the same house. So thats why u might see 2 on the same ip.
Quote from: Drz_Anhy
WTF? Сhadz?
I live in a hostel (home of students). And my friends who play in Mount & Blade (cRPG) with me to get banned? We were in a hostel about 200 people on 1 IP address.
sorry for my english. im use translater.
Quote from: STR_KpuBopyk
I have 2 keys:
1 STR_KpuBopyk 1h
2 STR_KpuBopy4ka 2h
I have brought 2nd key to play as a 2hander on stategus battles coz it is boring to play all the time as 1hander. I don't like to waste time on retirement and in strategus battles can participate only main character.

STR_Nokeyboard also have 2 keys and we live in one apartment(so we play from 1 ip). He brought 2nd cd key for looming.

We used 2nd keys in strategus. If it is forbidden we can use only 1 key for farming but we want to use 2nd key for fun and looming!
Quote from: Autobus
Not banned but still:
Right now my main name is Samodur, previously i've been playing with other key and sharing my computer with two younger brothers (can prove their existence)
So all three of us been playing both cRPG and Strategus from time to time which involved total of 3 different keys.
Also i don't know if my brothers tried playing on other keys or shared their own.
At the moment i the only person playing cRPG in my family so i don't think other keys will be used once more.

To sum up:
Main - Samodur, other keys are inactive.
Quote from: Harpag
Harpag_the_Grey
Perun_the_Grey

Reason:

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,18528.0.html
Quote from: arowaine
same for me occitan arowaine sometime have a few of my member to come at my house and we play all together and drink. So we may have the same ip cause we are using the same router... occitan chivas occitan tomba occitan ladyz... so hopefully none of us will have a ban
Quote from: Drz_Leshanae
I am not banned. But I don't want my main to be banned, so I have to say in advance.

I have two serials, only one of them has main.
The first serial (has my main Druzhina_Leshanae and alts) is our russian version of Warband which I used for 1.5 years.
The second serial (has 100kWatt) was bought a few months ago through steam (for achievments in native, I love to get steam achievements). Once after playing native module I decided to play cRPG and forgot to change serial, so I joined a server with the steam one. I were too lazy to exit the game and change serial key, so I decided to make a new char on this one, didn't see any problems with that since I didn't want to register this key for strat. This char was never registered on Strategus, and I didn't ever think to use it so. Just for free play on cRPG servers. I use it very seldom though.

To sum up, I have one serial key for Strategus, the other is just for free play on cRPG servers.

If you ban my second key, I won't come here and post shitloads of whining or even GTX cRPG and Strategus or something. For my main char that would be Ok, but it would be just very fkn bad not to be able to use one of my alt chars just to play for fun. I guess you can just disable the ability to register this key on Strat (to register main chars on it in order to not be able to even trade) and let me play cRPG.
Quote from: druzz
just to make sure i don't get a ban.. my brother and I are using the same router. I'm Occitan_Tomba and he is Occitan_Pute.
We have 2 differents steam accs.
Quote from: Nord_Jarlek
Doubt I will ever be banned for this but:

I got a friend who I often go to and play with. I managed to get him to TRY cRPG once. He's a SP guy so he couldn't be arsed to keep playing multiplayer, but occasionally when I'm at his place I convince him to join me for some rounds. That would then be me playing on his IP and not the one I'm normally on.

I hope this is alright.
Quote from: Drz_Segd
My main is Segd_of_Druzhina but i have brotherssisters who also play crpg from one IP 
Here is the list of them:
Quote from: meHow_The_Grey
My little cousin, who is shareing same IP with me, cause we live in one house  yesterday really enjoyed M&B Warband, so I bought today 2nd copy of Warband and he will play from today. He also will join the same faction in cRPG.

My main char: meHow_the_Grey

His main char: Whyno_the_Grey
Quote from: Rantrex_The_Grey
Playing since two weeks with brother. Same nicks (not my fault, we were always doing this):

Mains:
Rantrex_the_Grey
Rantcher

Why? We are playing on 2 other computers(PC and laptop), and we both want to make other buisness with other persons.
Quote from: Bashi_Kunio
ashiBazouk_Kunio

and

Yardimciel (I will help him to create this char in 30 minutes, my homemate wants to play cRPG too)

are homemates, we will play from different PCs and different accounts

please dont ban us
Quote from: CarpeDiem_The_Grey
Me (CarpeDiem the Grey) and my brother(Polewacz the Grey) are sometimes using one IP.

We're living in one house, using different PCs but one IP.
(click to show/hide)
Quote from: Drz_Alderis
Hi, I play with small brother (14) from same IP, one router, one IP. Sometime he play my pc, its faster then his notebok
Please unban me and my brother
He is little i don't want him play my account, making errors

My chars that banned Druzhina_Alderis, Super_Deer

Sorry my english
Quote from: Jaheria_The_Grey
Hi,im not banned yet,but some guys inform me yesterday about banning for multiple cd-keys,so i want to explain

me(JAHEIRA_the_Grey),and
my young son(Bartez_the_Grey)

We'r living in one house,we'r using different computers but we have same IP

If somebody need proofs we can login into a serwer in the same time from both acc's.(And check it then)

I hope it's not a problem,and i won't get banned.

Greetz
JAHEIRA
Quote from: Makos_The_Grey
Hi, i have brother and he want second main account in cRPG. We have one computer and one ID.
My nick Makos_The_Grey, brother his name is Tarrok_The_Grey
Quote from: Jasfasola_the_Grey
HI!Me(Jas_Fasola_The_Grey) and my brother(Rewolwerowiec) are playing and using one PC , one modem . Rewolwerowiec hasn't accocount on strategus . He's only playing c-rpg He wants have diffrent main character , so I buyed second cd-key  . I think it isn't problem and We won't be banned . Best regards Jas_Fasola ;)
Quote from: Hetman_the_Grey
Hello. I have younger sister, she wanted to play cRPG too. We have only one PC at home and one IP. She's not gonna play strategus. She respawned on Startegus by accident and I don't know how to delete this character. If you can delete it for me, I would be very happy. My nickname is Hetman_the_Grey, she'll play as Evocati. I hope that's not problem, if we use two CD keys.
You can check if you want - I didn't use this character in strategus, I am not in faction too.
Quote from: Bashi_Tavuk
Hello Dear Community of Devs & Admins,

My cousin who has been doing his military duty for the last 6 months has just returned home 2 days ago. He updated the game, tried to login and saw that his account is banned. Before going to duty, he had asked me to make his char join into our faction in strategus if the strategus gets released during his duty. As he had requested, i did it and logged into his account several times at the end of last september & beginning of the last october. After the multi accounting on strategus got prohibited, i had ceased logging into his account, but never reported it here. i thought it wasn't necessary, because i already had stopped logging into his account via my IP. I guess you can check and confirm this. Now I appeal for his char's unban with all my respect. His char's name is Battalibis_Bey and we'll be grateful if you unban him.

My another cousin, who's also on his military duty at the moment has a c-rpg char too and he'll be back tomorrow morning. Since he had not requested to take part in strategus, i've never logged into his account. His char's name is AzmiQc , i just wanted to inform you that we three may play via same IP adresses in the future. I can provide you their steam accounts etc if further information is requested.

With Best Regards,

Tavuk Bey

edit: oh btw, i just wanted add this info too, for being honest. i used Battalibis_Bey's forum account (Varg_Vikernes) to trololo a bit in turkish subforum by acting like a foreigner, but at the end nocti thought it we had enough fun so i got my punishment for that by cmp and promissed them to never do this again. i'm writing it here if any other people don't know about this. my cousin is a little bit angry at me because i did this. i  apologize again.
Quote from: DancingBlade_The_Grey
Hello!

I made my brother play c-rpg. We'r using same computer and his name is Edgee.
Quote from: Gorn_The_Grey
gorNN and Drizzt_the_Grey

Me and my brother use the same computer when he plays in crpg
Quote from: Jurand_the_Grey
Hello.
 My main char is Goliat_the_Grey and few days ago my brother start playing cRPG. His nickname is Harad_the_Grey. I hope its no problem.
Quote from: Kurnvinox_The_Grey
Me and my brother play on the same IP with other cd-key: Berserker_the_Grey and PowodZmartwienHomofobow (not long Kurwinox)
Quote from: Druzhina_Segd
My main - Druzhina_Segd
My sis - Malika95

Some times she could use my notebook, because her have too high ping(unstable wi-fi connection). But most of the time we will use different laptops with one static IP.
Quote from: Bashi_Cicero
Bashibazouk_Crueth moved to my house for 1-2 months hope it wont be a problem we gonna use same computer for 1 week then he will get his own computer soon.
Quote from: Bashi_Koyama
Main:BashiBazouk_HarunYahya
Friend:BashiBazouk_Ciga

Hello ciga is my friend from university.
He's coming over right now , we gonna spend kurban bayramı together then he may move into my place completely .
He has some issues with his roommate in college and i live alone so it will be probably win-win for us
He is busy this year so he rarely plays cRPG anyway but i wanted to let you people know that we'll share the same houshold for a week , then maybe for 2 remaining (Hopefully 2 ) college years.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: kinngrimm on December 08, 2012, 04:57:48 am
i already suggested several times, that for one IP address only one strategus account should be allowed.
This is not to discourrage or accuse anyone of accountsharing or multiaccounting but to get over with this awful debate.
I am sure that most of those who are listed had been thruthfull about what they gave freely in information, fact but is that even if those are different persons and they play also all regularly and at the same time cRPG, it is no guarantee that not one mastermind would make the strategus moves for all of them(which is basicly what some people accuse Ginger of)

I have a reallife friend who also has cRPG/strategus character, i but explicitly disallowed him to make strategus moves at my place at the time he would visit me, no big deal, he just needs to login when he is back at his home afterwards.
I do have also a brother :) but he ain't playing any games ^^

suggestion for rule set:
1 Strat account per household/IP, no matter the circumstances and we all can get on with our lives.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: autobus on December 08, 2012, 05:09:32 am
Enough with that wife son and holy ghost shit lets look at something. Could you please explain why you tolerate this! but why you have questions about Ginger. No I will not use a spoiler.
Well hello there my little friend and fuck you very much for dragging me into this conversation.
The reason they tolerate this is simple and you know it very well, its the same reason no merc publically reported your sorry hypocrite ass when you've tried to use gold which was duped by kapikulu accidentally in second strat.
By the same reason you never questioned RuConquista who got less than 10 players and supported the allmighty merc empire with gold and thousands of loomed stuff on strat, actually you've made it worse - you made couple threads on forums babbling how long your last stand is and then when you accidentally revealed their deeds to Meow(due to your stupidity i must add), you've tried to pose like you actually reported them and you are a good guy.
By the same reason no merc considered it very bad to use banned cheater account (heavy/chronos) to add his looms to your clan armoury couple months ago.
By the same reason no person in your alliance considered it a big evil to use duped gold on previous strat.

@Kingrimm i fully support this rule, would +2 if could.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Casimir on December 08, 2012, 07:21:17 am
I am sad to see both Grey Order an DRZ leaving strat, although i fully understand their reasons for doing so.

Having fought both alongside and against them for over two years i have a great deal of respect for them.  There will always be conflicting views and disagreements in a game which is competitive but i have never bared any personal ill will against these guys. Although there have been times in the past where i have felt action performed by these factions have been unacceptable, i have always respect their skill in battle and their dedication.

I myself have found strategus to be bore in recent months, becoming less active due to both real life and a loss of interest.

I wish both clans the best of luck in the future, with whatever they choose to do.

Cas.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Pejlaen on December 08, 2012, 10:01:40 am
I am sorry but

WAAAA, I GOT CAUGHT CHEATING AND BANNED FOR IT SO I AM GONNA CRY MY EYEBALLS OUT NOW CAUSE I CAN'T TAKE IT LIKE A MAN!!!!


if you are gonna do the shit, you should be ready to accept the consequences. I don't really care if somebody cheats or not, but crying after the fact only lowers my esteem of you.

And this will be my first and last post on this idiocy of an issue.

This pretty much sums up the general impression of UIF I dare say. You're nothing short of pathetic, you cheat and claim victories, and when you get punished for it you withdraw and it's all somebody elses fault, the bans were biased, you are nothing but poor victims of a scheme. Leave the game and do it quickly, noone will miss you with your attitude towards your punishment and this game is better off without you. Sorry to say, but alot of you are completely fucking pathetic in every regard.

And if you can't manage the game on the same terms as everyone else, that just means you are very bad players, which is OK though, everyone can't be good.
Now, send forth Thovex, Zlisch or whoever to post and make you look EVEN dumber.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Zaharist on December 08, 2012, 10:13:56 am
you'd better think about general impression of mercs man

I guess it's only u, merc, who think that mercs are something more then just a pile of whinning shit.
but who cares what I think or what u dare to say?
sorry for my French

U don't even have enough courage to thank guys for battles, xp and fun in this thread. cause shitposting seems to be ur favourite hobby.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Pejlaen on December 08, 2012, 10:17:44 am
you'd better think about general impression of mercs man

I guess it's only u, merc, who think that mercs are something more then just a pile of whinning shit.
but who cares what I think or what u dare to say?
sorry for my French

U don't even have enough courage to thank guys for battles, xp and fun in this thread. cause shitposting seems to be ur favourite hobby.

You want to be thanked for ruining most of the fun in this game by cheating? Then by all means, thank you mate.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Zaharist on December 08, 2012, 10:20:45 am
Talking to mercs is the most useless things u can do, right?
lol at u, innocent angels, suffered from evil cheaters. neverending story
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Noctivagant on December 08, 2012, 10:54:35 am
Well hello there my little friend and fuck you very much for dragging me into this conversation.
The reason they tolerate this is simple and you know it very well, its the same reason no merc publically reported your sorry hypocrite ass when you've tried to use gold which was duped by kapikulu accidentally in second strat.
By the same reason you never questioned RuConquista who got less than 10 players and supported the allmighty merc empire with gold and thousands of loomed stuff on strat, actually you've made it worse - you made couple threads on forums babbling how long your last stand is and then when you accidentally revealed their deeds to Meow(due to your stupidity i must add), you've tried to pose like you actually reported them and you are a good guy.
By the same reason no merc considered it very bad to use banned cheater account (heavy/chronos) to add his looms to your clan armoury couple months ago.
By the same reason no person in your alliance considered it a big evil to use duped gold on previous strat.

@Kingrimm i fully support this rule, would +2 if could.

Kapikulu contacted me for that and I reported their gold to chadz (I was still tr submod then) the gold was transferred to an inactive account to wipe the character with it from Strategus.

I've reported it three times, the exact amount of gold I reported was in Kapikulu_Caki until the last day of round 3. If you don't know, ask chadz and it was Strategus round 3 not 2 you are not even aware of this.

You are wrong about Ruconquista too and you can ask that to Espu and Meow. I went to Espu asked if he bans my current CD-Key, if its possible to switch to another one. He directed to me Meow and Meow wanted to take a look to the key. Meow told me that account was fishy, I asked him myself what is fishy about it. I'm sure you know what was going on. I asked Meow myself to ban my account for getting invonlved in something like that. Meow said its unnecessary, since my main account is not involved in anything like this. Ask him and if you can't ask him, shut up. I did not pose it like that, I said Ruconquista was running a business without telling us what was going on and I almost got banned myself because of this and I was angry at Heavy for that. He didn't tell the whole story

It was Heavy's own request. He wanted to have his looms, we don't have his looms at the moment he is out of the ladder.

In my alliance, Ozan reported the gold, I reported the gold and Alpha reported the duped gold. The reason it was reported was simple -We cannot go to their level.

I will try to find old Xchat logs and will paste on this message.

 
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on December 08, 2012, 11:54:25 am
You want to be thanked for ruining most of the fun in this game by cheating? Then by all means, thank you mate.
Sír, this accusation is most troublesome, I'm fairly certain he has not been banned for cheating, and most certainly not in strat 4.
But eh, good old merc bullshit.
Oh, and Pejlaen, here is gingerpussies opinion on the guy you claimed ruined the game by cheating:
yeah rarly do we say something nice about enemys, but DRZ is my favorite UIF clan as well.

They are disciplined alot more then our guys, would like to see some of that discipline in our own ranks :D

They havent got any cheaters that we know about and i really salute that. And i really hope they are cheat free.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Tears of Destiny on December 08, 2012, 12:06:10 pm
Such a heated topic over a subject that has already reached a conclusion, and a judgement that has already been passed.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: BASNAK on December 08, 2012, 12:08:29 pm
..When all else fails, DOWNVOTE EVERYONE AND KEEP REPEATING THE SAME ARGUMENTS IN 10 PAGES.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Falka on December 08, 2012, 12:43:47 pm
DOWNVOTE EVERYONE
I did! At least on this page. 8-) Ok, I didn't downvote Tears, but his avatar is just too cute  :wink:

over a subject that has already reached a conclusion
The war never ends.

Alright, decision on this is that all of you will be unbanned from cRPG
They'll be back!  :wink:
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: autobus on December 08, 2012, 12:48:47 pm
I've reported it three times, the exact amount of gold I reported was in Kapikulu_Caki until the last day of round 3. If you don't know, ask chadz and it was Strategus round 3 not 2 you are not even aware of this.
I do know because i was on the channel with Heavy when you joined and started babbling how UIF are no more with all the gold your turkish friends accidentally achieved. Also i was said that you've tried to lobby the usage of this gold amongst mercs and got serious problems because on top of that you were stupid enough to transfer it on your account.

You are wrong about Ruconquista too and you can ask that to Espu and Meow. I went to Espu asked if he bans my current CD-Key, if its possible to switch to another one. He directed to me Meow and Meow wanted to take a look to the key. Meow told me that account was fishy, I asked him myself what is fishy about it. I'm sure you know what was going on. I asked Meow myself to ban my account for getting invonlved in something like that. Meow said its unnecessary, since my main account is not involved in anything like this. Ask him and if you can't ask him, shut up. I did not pose it like that, I said Ruconquista was running a business without telling us what was going on and I almost got banned myself because of this and I was angry at Heavy for that. He didn't tell the whole story
It wasnt only Heavy who told me the story and i have no need in asking Meow, what you said is thuth, what you are lying about is that you never tried to pose like you actually reported them.

It was Heavy's own request. He wanted to have his looms, we don't have his looms at the moment he is out of the ladder.
I never said you have them now i said you were okay with using it. Even for a brief time - that doesn't matter.

In my alliance, Ozan reported the gold, I reported the gold and Alpha reported the duped gold. The reason it was reported was simple -We cannot go to their level.
I never said you didn't report it i said you've used it.
I have no need in your excuses, what i desire the least is another witch hunt even if the witch would be you. From what i've got your morale is quite simple: It is okay if you and your allies are cheating because you are cheating against the bloody UIF.
I'd highly appreciate if you refrain from mentioning my nickname in your messages because all of them are plain bullshit, thank you very much.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Erasmas on December 08, 2012, 01:17:19 pm
Alright, decision on this is that all of you will be unbanned from cRPG but will stay banned from strat permanently.
If we ever catch anyone of you with another key, sharing accounts or anything similar, the ban will extend to cRPG again and stay like that forever.
If you got a new key in the meantime, pm me now, you only get this one chance.

Also let this be a reminder for everyone who still is or plans to multiaccount, share their account with their clan/friends or anything similar - you will get caught and you will be removed from this community.

On behalf of our Grey Order guys who got banned, I would like to thank Meow - and all who took part in the decision making process -  for this just decision. 
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Moncho on December 08, 2012, 01:42:42 pm
Such a heated topic over a subject that has already reached a conclusion, and a judgement that has already been passed.
Just bear in mind that without this kind of bullshit, the forums would soon die
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Noctivagant on December 08, 2012, 01:56:19 pm
I have no need in your excuses, what i desire the least is another witch hunt even if the witch would be you. From what i've got your morale is quite simple: It is okay if you and your allies are cheating because you are cheating against the bloody UIF.
I'd highly appreciate if you refrain from mentioning my nickname in your messages because all of them are plain bullshit, thank you very much.

Your language is annoying, thats the first. Second get my account history checked both in strat and crpg. I never had more than 150K on my character, ever. You "heard" things, that doesn't make them "facts" before calling me stupid, check your own argument.
Once again, I did not report anyone : how can I report anyone about something I don't know? Meow told me what was going on.  I just got angry at people like you, accusing me with "betraying" people. Which I said : anyone who have cheated has to be punished, don't talk like they were innocent and I back stab them. This is where it all begins anyway. Some communities disagree with sticking up to rules and choose to lobbying. I'm so sorry to say but http://rusmnb.ru/ is the best example of it and you know what I'm talking about.
If I was such an horrible person, why heavy joined Mercs with his new account? and If Mercs are such horrible people, why do you keep making deals with us? You know we arranged your castle and most importantly we did stop people from attacking you.

I offer a new account to Chronos myself when he was banned. He didn't take it. I believe its him who can make such accusations. I really don't know what you are trying to achieve with your crusade. You won't be able to come to our teamspeak to make deals anymore. Don't ask a castle from us ever again. Just you know.

I never used Kapikulu gold, I gave the exact amount to chadz, not a single dime missing, if it was missing he'd ban my cheating ass in a heartbeat. I told chadz that duping gold achieved by packet loss anyway. Unlike some of your friends, I do obey the rules.

Use your logic a little bit, if I used that gold, do you think I'd be naked in several battles? and do you really think that my best armor would be blue shirt over mail? before calling me stupid, check your logic.

When I doubt something I go to devs, you should do the same.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: autobus on December 08, 2012, 02:26:37 pm
Mercs are such horrible people, why do you keep making deals with us? You know we arranged your castle and most importantly we did stop people from attacking you.
I've never said mercs are bad, i do respect lots of merc players, you are not amongst them though.
You won't be able to come to our teamspeak to make deals anymore. Don't ask a castle from us ever again. Just you know.
I've never came to your TS to make deals, only to speak with dave, all deals were arranged at Nditions and i've never asked for a castle, you asked me for Senuzgda and got it. I suggest you ask Dave about the whole situation, he knows best. Unless you lie on purpose ofcourse.
I never used Kapikulu gold, I gave the exact amount to chadz, not a single dime missing, if it was missing he'd ban my cheating ass in a heartbeat. I told chadz that duping gold achieved by packet loss anyway. Unlike some of your friends, I do obey the rules.

Use your logic a little bit, if I used that gold, do you think I'd be naked in several battles? and do you really think that my best armor would be blue shirt over mail? before calling me stupid, check your logic.
If you are adressing to the first case i've described - I never said you've used it, i've said you willed to use it and were stopped by your fellow mercs.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Gingerpussy on December 08, 2012, 02:54:36 pm
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If you are adressing to the first case i've described - I never said you've used it, i've said you willed to use it and were stopped by your fellow mercs.

#To be tempted to use the gold i am sure mr Noc was, but you have to remember that the greys have cheated for 1 1/2 YEAR !!!

So to be tempted and think about is we are to use the gold or not is not the issue, the thing is that 99 % of the Mercs say NO to use that duped gold for obvious reasons. we had a poll, And for those who dont know this we are prob the ONLY democratic Clan in this game.


Greys and others have cheated for a long long time they had incident 100 keys thingy and now 20 30 40 ????

If i had 20 keys in strat and Mercs behind me, we would have 50 % of the map. greys U guys suck BASICLY !!!!!




Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Meow on December 08, 2012, 02:58:00 pm
By the same reason no merc considered it very bad to use banned cheater account (heavy/chronos) to add his looms to your clan armoury couple months ago.

Thanks for bringing it up, went through the logs and this part is entirely true.
GG mercs with your no cheating policy.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Gingerpussy on December 08, 2012, 02:59:45 pm
And that you guys still get a chance to play cRPG is beyond me,

but im sure chadz is scared to be left alone soon, its no secret that the community have shrunken a lot.

And that`s mostly becouse of some peoples CHEATING!

grey is cheaters, all they done in strat is obvious cheaters. read the thread harpaq says it himself.
All the ppl with stuff in strat got banned, so that mean all the ppl that have done shit in strat is cheaters and therefor the greys are ALL cheater.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Blueberry Muffin on December 08, 2012, 03:05:48 pm
Wow I just found this thread again. Do you lot do anything but shout at each other? Jesus....

Shit happened, bans went out, the end. Theres no point arguing semantics, just lock this for god sakes.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Osiris on December 08, 2012, 03:07:43 pm
but ginger meow just confirmed you used a banned players looms :P


i dont see why you people even bother :P The only people who care anymore are greys and a few mercs.

I have to admit tho ginger you are a terrible spokesperson for the mercs :D
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Haboe on December 08, 2012, 03:11:20 pm
I have to admit tho ginger you are a terrible spokesperson for the mercs :D

Ginger is not a merc leader nor its spokesperson he is just speaking from him own experience, not for the mercs as a clan.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Osiris on December 08, 2012, 03:15:44 pm
true but he posts more than most Mercs and he does post some crazy shit :P


wasn't ginger a Merc leader before? either way people judge clans by a single person its not right but it happens :D

If i for instance shit posted over and over people would start to dislike Templar.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Gingerpussy on December 08, 2012, 03:16:17 pm
Yupp not a clan leader, but im in charge of south parts (Dhirim) in strat.

I have no idea what Meow is talking about. If thats the case that a baned player can lend his looms in armory i dont know. If Mercs did that yeah then its not good.

But even if thats true lending out a loom or two is not hurting anyone at all, but cheating in strat does.

greys been cheating for years, we all know that. Even got shiploads of proof. Thats why reading this thread is a COMEDY !!!

Any my precious statement is true. Nobody in here would have a chance in Strategus IF  Mercs where multi accounting.


yet the Greys with all there Keys cant even hold more then a average clan in strat. HAHAHA cheaters and fools
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: kinngrimm on December 08, 2012, 03:21:06 pm
xy is not a xy leader nor its spokesperson he is just speaking from him own experience, not for the xy as a clan.
missunderstadnings which could be prevented if f.e. below our avatar and the faction name, a possible option for a rank within a faction would be added. That way people may see how to take things into consideration depending on the status within a clan a member of that clan/faction would have. In Gingers case, if some people f.e. would come back to our community after a year abstinance or longer they may remember him as one of the leaders of mercs, but Ginger is as far as i know, your coordinator for the Dirhirm area or general within the strat battles/sieges. That is what he does with great knowledge over the game mechanics everyone would admit without any doubt.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Vovka on December 08, 2012, 03:23:28 pm
but ginger meow just confirmed you used a banned players looms :P
i dont see why you people even bother :P The only people who care anymore are greys and a few mercs.
I have to admit tho ginger you are a terrible spokesperson for the mercs :D
  if I remember correctly is not just looms of banned guys. But looms received by leveling up to 31-35 levels in a couple of days XD

But i think we must stop accusing each other.  :P fucking cheaters everywhere :P
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Gingerpussy on December 08, 2012, 03:24:48 pm
Like i say i came back the day strat 4 released, actually not planed at all it was a coincident.

I have no knowledge of that.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Haboe on December 08, 2012, 03:39:39 pm
So i think everyone agrees to stop the BS here now, greys are stopping, drz as well (or am i wrong on that?) But i assume they still won't mind playing stratbattles for exp?
For example i wouldn't mind a certain drz archer shooting from my walls ^^
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Molly on December 08, 2012, 04:24:05 pm
Kindergarden.

On a side note: When multiaccounting is considered a cheat, using looms of banned players too... and those people responsible are allowed to play CRPG w/o any further consequences... when can we expect Panos to be unbanned? Really wondering here, quite hard wondering tbh...
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Tot. on December 08, 2012, 04:46:04 pm
What amazes me is how come Mercs allow that retard to be their PR person.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Falka on December 08, 2012, 04:47:29 pm
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This guy should get an award, most fucked up mind 2012  :wink:
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Haboe on December 08, 2012, 05:14:47 pm
What amazes me is how come Mercs allow that retard to be their PR person.

a) he is not a retard
b) he is not our pr person
c) silly me thinking we could let the drama rest and go back to friendly talking...
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Thovex on December 08, 2012, 06:14:33 pm
This guy should get an award, most fucked up mind 2012  :wink:

Huehue

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Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Molly on December 08, 2012, 06:29:43 pm
What amazes me is how come Mercs allow that retard to be their PR person.

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18:17 - Gnjus: about the same way UIF allows Cicero & Harpag to speak on their behalf
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on December 08, 2012, 06:51:11 pm

I'm not sure whether it's cicero or gingerpussy that gnjus was trying to insult by comparing the one guy to the other... ...that post was a bit rude towards Harpag though.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Jarlek on December 08, 2012, 09:14:31 pm
I'm not sure whether it's cicero or gingerpussy that gnjus was trying to insult by comparing the one guy to the other... ...that post was a bit rude towards Harpag though.
Yeah, Harpag is a nice guy.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Pejlaen on December 08, 2012, 09:39:13 pm
Huehue

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Other nominees for that award would be; Yourself, Zlisch, Cicero and every "I only cheat, why I ban?!11"
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Thovex on December 08, 2012, 11:28:27 pm
Other nominees for that award would be; Yourself, Zlisch, Cicero and every "I only cheat, why I ban?!11"

Cool! So you agree that he has the most fucked up brain too? See we are already spreading similair opinions.  :)

You would fit in perfectly as nominee too! :wink:
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Beauchamp on December 09, 2012, 12:23:01 am
lol
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on December 09, 2012, 01:32:17 am
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Nobody in here would have a chance in Strategus IF  Mercs where multi accounting.


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It's funny 'cause you already do.

BTW: I love how mercs state gingerpussy isn't their real spokesperson so what he says doesn't have anything to do with the clans main opinion yet they wiped United Democratic due to Olwins statements.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: kinngrimm on December 09, 2012, 02:34:03 am
...yet they wiped United Democratic due to Olwins statements.
wait what, short term memory chrash incoming .. hadn't that something to do with the fact that DRZ/Vendetta marched in there with 6-7k Troops and instead of reinforcing a large amount of troops and gear stayed in a village? Not that i know for sure, but thats what my disrupted memory chip just told me. No Idear what happend there between Olwen and Mercs though, couldn't care less after Olwens insults to a cancer patient last year remember DaveUKR had Leuykemia(?) and Olwen trolled him because of that, that was just wrong, afterwards out of my position i didn't want anything have to do with Olwen anymore.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on December 09, 2012, 03:15:35 am
wait what, short term memory chrash incoming .. hadn't that something to do with the fact that DRZ/Vendetta marched in there with 6-7k Troops and instead of reinforcing a large amount of troops and gear stayed in a village? Not that i know for sure, but thats what my disrupted memory chip just told me. No Idear what happend there between Olwen and Mercs though, couldn't care less after Olwens insults to a cancer patient last year remember DaveUKR had Leuykemia(?) and Olwen trolled him because of that, that was just wrong, afterwards out of my position i didn't want anything have to do with Olwen anymore.
What happened as far as I recall was that after United Democratic gets massively destroyed by uif and they only have one fief left they chose to make a deal with the greys to let the greys get the fief if United Democratic gets the gear, this pisses off mercs because apparently the mercs were the owners of the entire area and the fief was merc property just like the rest of the strat map... ...then afterwards as the conflict has already been sparked the United Democratics miss a payment of some troops they owe, PTX does his best to maintain relations but Olwen goes all crazy with random shit and convinces the mercs to kill them all. As for Olwen being a dick about Dave having cancer, I wasn't around back then so I can't comment.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Molly on December 09, 2012, 11:31:31 am
[...] As for Olwen being a dick about Dave having cancer, I wasn't around back then so I can't comment.

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11:25 - Gnjus: that retarded newmy old friend wasnt around for many things but that doesnt prevent him from spreading his bullshit all over the forum and making himself look as a even bigger jerk then he is
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Chagan_Arslan on December 09, 2012, 02:16:52 pm
Nobody in here would have a chance in Strategus IF  Mercs where multi accounting.

wow, Mercs are so full of themselves
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Tyr_ on December 09, 2012, 02:30:31 pm
There are several reason why we attacked olwen - and i want to state that we only attacked olwen, the only other guy of the United Democratic was attacked by us got attacked due to a flow of misinformation within our Clan.

Our clear and only goal was the attack of Olwen. Teeth for example was in our range too with several thousand crates&few man. We did not attack him, why? Because we have no trouble with the United Democratic as a faction and he is a really nice guy. So, why did we attack olwen?

We did not have any grudges against your faction. All our actions were specificly aimed against olwen - once again i want to excuse myself for attacking the poor randomer that got infront of us there.

Why do we have Problems with olwen which made us attacking him?

Lets start with Kinngrimms arguement.

It is true, Dave had cancer, this was the reason why he left the game several months ago. Olwen, as kinngrimm said, made jokes about this and was insultive about it.
Several persons in my family had cancer and luckily got cured, but seriously, if i would have met a guy on the street making jokes about this i would beat the shit out of him right there. This is NOT something you make jokes about.

This alone is, in my opinion, reason enough to hunt olwen everywhere he goes on the map, but lets get some more points together.

Basicly since he left mercs he gets on about how shit mercs are nowadays compared to the past and that no good merc is good, despite the fact that for example Vex, Dugite, me and many of our new members could beat him easily. Maybe you should take it into consideration that in the past nearly nobody could block which made it pretty easy for the Mercenaries in this time to keep a skill level far above average (ps, i was templol in that time).

Another reason!

Olwen threatened us with war several times to get reindi castle, well, we gave it in exchange for troops - very smart move in the end to put all troops and gear into a village instead of putting them into the castle.
And not only that he threatened us with war there, basicly since the beginning of this strategus he told us how the grey order will come at his command and wipe us from the map! Answer by any grey officer/leader here would be appreciated, especially since we are spamming your thread here - sorry for that.

I think this are more than enough reasons. As i said, we only had problems with Olwen, not with any other member in your faction, which is why we decided to attack Olwen in the end, we couldnt stand his behaviour anymore and just wanted to give him a spoiler.

And once again i would like to state one thing: I respect Gingers opinion and his right to say it, but he is not our official speaker. Haboe, Nocti and Me got elected as Leaders, therefore it is us and not him representing Mercenaries.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Zaharist on December 09, 2012, 03:56:23 pm

Grey will not quit the game, they want some PR.


Seems like 80% of this thread is about Mercs. thanks to...Mercs!
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Noctivagant on December 09, 2012, 03:57:59 pm
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I like Olwen, but he is a massive dick and he knows that. Ptx have worked with Olwen, Elmokki have worked with Olwen, I'm sure they like Olwen but they also know Olwen is a dick. I'm sure nobody here can disagree with that. Mercs do not attack some of our former members. We do not attack to Oberyn, Ptx etc. we like these guys no matter where they are.

With Olwen's case its not just these personal matters. He kept insulting Mercs in every occasion and he likes to bluff a lot. When he joined Grey Order, he kept insulting us. Then he wanted to join Mercs with the promise of bringing the "talented" Grey Order members. We accepted him in and did not expect any GO members, the moment he joined the clan he wanted a leader position and the ownership of Reyvadin. I told him this is not possible. He left the clan right after it.

He came as UDF...whatever it is, so called leader and he requested Reindi castle. But he made a very bad bargain. It wasn't a bargain he was officially threatening us with fantasies. He said either we hand over Reindi as well as Kapikulu hands over Reyvadin OR he will persuade Grey Order to make it possible. I told him that I doubt his influence on Grey Order to do so. Soon after Elmokki was assigned to talk with us, admitting that Olwen's ways were wrong and he did not represent United Democratic whatever its called.

We have proposed a plan for Reindi and we did not bargain anything about Reyvadin since its not in our control nor we have any influence on it. After talking with Ptx and Elmokki deal was made, yet : Olwen kept somewhat harassing us about it. Mercs that Mercs this, soon after there were no trace left of him, which is sad because he is one of the earliest members of this community. I'm sorry that he did not know the difference between friend and foe.

Atm moment Olwen's main hobby is trolling me on Facebook. I don't think there are any hard feelings. He still thinks he is lord of Reyvadin and its located in Northern France.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Vovka on December 10, 2012, 09:59:26 am
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Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Andswaru on December 10, 2012, 10:17:52 am
Badge hanging above Dhirim Area:

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Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: [ptx] on December 10, 2012, 10:20:13 am
Oh, i see, you wipe out our entire remaining army, also sending crucial gold and whatnot to some faraway random corner of the map, but, hey, you're still okay with UDNWSFLC. Also, totally a coincidence you did not attack Olwen at any moment before that, either when he actually had a battle-ready army or was just going around with no stuff on him. Or, you know, when he actually "trolled" you guys. He wasn't even around for pretty much that entire day or the one before. Yeah, seems legit.

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Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: NuberT on December 10, 2012, 11:34:05 am
the stuff about olwen reminds me on the drama, when hre attacked mercs for being allied with niemand (cotgs) in strat 2 :P.

35 pages in 2 days, good old times..

http://forum.meleegaming.com/diplomacy/and-finally-people-show-their-true-colors/
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Molly on December 10, 2012, 12:29:59 pm
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I am with you mercs,

to the last place to the last man to the last sword has been drawn , the last breath as been taken from us.

We stand to our word we have given, yes we are mercs tomorrow. We put on your banner for this day.

If it means we have to die for our word our honor the trust we shared then a place in Valhala beside of you is our payment. So be it.

Yes we are Wolves but tomorrow we are mercs as well. So fear us, we will splinter your entrails, cut you from where you come, we walk through you like death himself.


kinngrimm
leader of the Wolves

Times have changed, eh?  :lol:
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Casimir on December 10, 2012, 02:17:22 pm
Well i believe tey actually had an official alliance those days similar to what we have wt wolves now.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: bagge on December 10, 2012, 03:45:11 pm
the stuff about olwen reminds me on the drama, when hre attacked mercs for being allied with niemand (cotgs) in strat 2 :P.

35 pages in 2 days, good old times..

http://forum.meleegaming.com/diplomacy/and-finally-people-show-their-true-colors/

Ah.. One of the best, if not the best thread in the cRPG forum
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: DaveUKR on December 10, 2012, 04:16:56 pm
Oh, i see, you wipe out our entire remaining army, also sending crucial gold and whatnot to some faraway random corner of the map, but, hey, you're still okay with UDNWSFLC. Also, totally a coincidence you did not attack Olwen at any moment before that, either when he actually had a battle-ready army or was just going around with no stuff on him. Or, you know, when he actually "trolled" you guys. He wasn't even around for pretty much that entire day or the one before. Yeah, seems legit.

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Well. Now when I don't play I can lift the veil of secrecy and tell something. I don't actually read forums or talk to Mercs these days but still I would like to reveal some things if anybody cares here.
Speaking about Olwen's situation: Well, we had different opinions about Olwen and your faction in overall, pTx. To be honest, with all the previous experience I still kept believing that Mercs could have deals with Olwen (unlike the majority of other Mercs), it was mainly my initiative to recruit Olwen back from Greys to Mercs and it was my initiative to speak with Olwen and you pTx in that Dhirim area. Both times I made a mistake, I didn't listen to my clan and tried to regulate that situation. But then I've just realized (once again) that Olwen actually means what he says. What he does is not just trolling, it's just what he is. And what I clearly didn't like is that you tried to cover all of his words as just "trolling", that was completely wrong. I know it's not appropriate to compare this with real life, but you don't forgive those who do such things again and again knowing that it does hurt. I don't like speaking about my RL and I don't really think that anybody here needs to discuss it, it's just wrong.
You can believe me or not but it was my demand not to attack your faction. I barely could stop Ginger from doing it. All the other members were mad about the whole situtation. Also Muffin was mad because of all these Olwen's words about how shitty all the mercs are. All those Mercs in the Dhirim Area were looking forward to eliminate Olwen before others. What I also don't like about this situation is that you're trying to blame Mercs that we made a meatshield of you. We didn't offer Reindi Castle to you, we wanted to hold it because we knew that you won't be able to hold it against UIF and we told it to you like million times. I also personally suggested gear to you for your armies, you refused saying that you don't want to be dependant. Also you can't blame Mercs that we weren't offensive against UIF in Dhirim area. Dhirim area was a secondary territory and it was originally thought of being trading+defence zone just to support the North and hold forces in the centre of the map in case anti-UIF fails. Having Dhirim was completely my idea and majority of the clan didn't have as much of self-confidence as I had in that situation (like trading castles with Greys and things like that) as I only had Dhirim by the start of Strat. Mercs originally wanted to be in the North (mainly to stay with Nords and maybe Byzantium if they'd decided to play Strat). I skip the part when Olwen was threatening me with UIF, you won't believe me anyway that Olwen threatened me with Grey Order and in 5 minutes I was listening to Hetman in Greys' Teampseak who said that he has nothing common with Olwen and Olwen was actually one of the biggest mistakes of Grey Order.

And now the most important part about Olwen and Mercs. When I attacked Olwen he was armed and had like ~1.5k of army (IIRC), Mercs were actually discussing the problem of Olwen, I didn't ask anyone. I just took my army and sent it to attack Olwen. I wasn't neither in TS nor in Skype, I was completely unreachable and nobody could stop me, decision was made by me and only me. Initially Ginger was supposed to attack Olwen but nobody was sure about this as your faction still owed us 700 troops and most of your members supported us against UIF. I made it simple. Unluckily Olwen gave up before the fight and his signature "show them no fear" should be "show them some fear at least". He was so afraid of losing on the battlefield that he decided to have no fight at all, UIF didn't support him.

Speaking about Ginger. Well, even now I can't say for sure what I know about him. He was the one with whom I had the biggest amount of argues. He was actually one of the reasons why I left Mercs at some point (taking Strat too serious, I was trying to make a very different conception of what Mercs were and slightly different of what they are now). He is very straight and stubborn person, his ambitions are bigger than mostly anyone's in this community and this makes others think not as good as he deserves. Also about multiaccounting, I still don't know the whole Ginger-Kittiya-Tube story, I was very concerned about this and showed my discontent in Mercs' skype channel. I also admit that I used Team Viewer 2 times to have control of my friend (who was an active player and had hundreds of Strat ticks from the very beginning of Strat, he was the reason why I continued playing and joined Mercs back. I reported that to Meow months ago when I was still playing and I had a full knowledge of possible consequences, so don't consider me putting it out only after I stopped playing). 1st to fill the roster at night (as he wasn't in faction) and 2nd to move him away after that battle at night. There is no way to detect this in server logs as you simply control someone's display with his own PC running, it's just a remote control, you need your friend to have this program launched before he goes to sleep and after that you just connect and control his mouse/keyboard to do what you want. I still think that devs should make multiaccounting useless, there are lots of ways to bypass the security of Strat and great Meow. Lots of known multiaccounters didn't get banned which proves that anti-multiaccount system isn't perfect. Enough said.

Speaking about Hevi and his looms. Well, that character joined the clan before it was prohibited to use banned accounts in c-rpg website. And if you have ever seen Mercs' armoury you would understand why he was there unnoticed by most of the members (100+ of MW items of merc members excluding Hevi's, and there were shitloads of free unused masterworks), he got kicked from the ladder by Dolby IIRC after some time it was prohibited to use banned characters in the website. So when Meow found out this, that guy was kicked from the ladder like ages ago. If Mercs needed MW items I wouldn't give away my full MW set to random people (Also Meow personally had something from me a year ago or so, I don't remember what but I gave something loomed to him). Also I would not make +3 desert turbans and +3 leather jackets. There was no need in these masterworks.

I don't want to make angels out of Mercs. Mercs are not the fairest clan in crpg and never was. Also I don't like this cliché of Mercs as holy warriors of anti-cheating company. I hope noone of Mercs ever used auto-block (well, I got banned with the reason of using an auto-block but it was just a mistake, because some admins couldn't believe that it's possible to block like that when I was on my alt, I consider that as a complement and got unbanned instantly :D), also I hope Mercs never duped anything or make anything outstanding that would break the game for everyone else. There is a barely visible line between cheating and abusing game mechanics. Some people just don't see this line at all considering it equal, others just don't see any abuse of game mechanics in their actions. So this all is just about your perception. Rule of common sense simply doesn't cover it as you could see banned cheaters complaining about their bans as they thought it's okay. Speaking about Russians (I'm half Russian myself and I speak/write better than majority of Russians, I'm not bluffing, it's just a way harder language than English and at least 70% of Russians can't write a text of 5 difficult sentences without mistakes) - it's a very different culture and sometimes they react different than other Euroes. It's not their fault, it's just the echo of bad era (which still exists actually). There is a joke in my mind which totally explains the reaction of Russian community about their bans:
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This simply describes why they didn't accept their bans. I just don't want people having wrong impressions. You shouldn't even try to consider anyone saint. Remember my ban because of construction sites? Yeah, it was damn harsh in the end for me: 1 month ban + 2 essays. IIRC I got reported by Druzhina_RXN but I wasn't mad at him and I never said a single bad word to him (Druzhina members can confirm that), because I clearly knew what I was doing: abusing game mechanics (they were broken so construction sites were indestructible for some certain time). Also I was doing it on Siege which I never liked (fuck you, koldborn, you'll never get admin rights there, you mad?). Also I got very upset when Union got their bans both in Strat and in crpg. I clearly believe that it was way too harsh and all the Strat punishments should be spread only in Strat. So what I wanted to say with all this large post is just: there is no black and white here. We tend to judge about something knowing nothing or only a few about it and it's wrong. Some people are just worse, some people are a little bit better, but in the end everyone's is the same with rare exceptions. I hope gameservers (and the community itself) will improve without me as many people hated me so much (I still believe that it requires a lot of hate to find my posts through search and give minuses to each of them like some Nords did or Zlisch who simply minused each of my post). I just found a moment when I didn't feel like playing and that's it, there is no particular reason, no bye-bye threads and so on. I'll try to keep an eye on these forums from time to time. Keep calm and carry on having good time playing crpg and Strat, this is just a game and it's not worth of your nerves, sleepless nights and so on :wink:
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: [ptx] on December 10, 2012, 04:22:12 pm
You wrote that entire wall of text and you couldn't even adress my freaking point.

GG.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on December 10, 2012, 04:31:47 pm
Dave I never hated you, I didn't hate you when i showed you how to abuse a wall on one map, I didn't hate you when you were asking for my ban in chat, and I never hated you every time I -1'd a post I disagreed with that you made, which was quite a lot, and as I'm frequently muted -1ing is the only way I can state that I disagree besides getting some bitch to type things for me (like Gnjus gets Benkai to).
Also that joke isn't something exclusive to Ruskies, there is also some English version which is slightly altered.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: autobus on December 10, 2012, 04:54:02 pm
It's a shame you're not one and only merc leader, Dave.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Macropus on December 10, 2012, 05:36:21 pm
Also that joke isn't something exclusive to Ruskies, there is also some English version which is slightly altered.
Yeah, I also heard another version of this joke - this man made a wish of 30 cm penis which seems to be the smartest decision.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Molly on December 10, 2012, 05:58:05 pm
[...] besides getting some bitch to type things for me (like Gnjus gets Benkai to).
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More likely that nobody is willing to post that pile of crap you make up  :wink:
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: highglandeur on December 10, 2012, 07:05:39 pm
Since le great mod is (almost) dead and le fucking strat is (more than) slightly responsible for the awfull atmosphere in this community, why not implementing a new grinding system where you would get gold and troops for strat only from ticks and multi in EU1 (fuck EU2). No more stupid trading orders from insomniac leader, go EU1 soldier! God chadz or the infamous cmp wizard could get rid of le retarded banner balance and we will all grind together in one big harmony!
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: IR_Kuoin on December 10, 2012, 07:12:30 pm
Ah ... the spoils of internet warfare, gotta love it.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: BASNAK on December 10, 2012, 07:55:55 pm
Mod is not dead, neither is strat. I have no idea what you people have been smoking. The Chinese server is booming and full of people!
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on December 10, 2012, 08:43:12 pm
More likely that nobody is willing to post that pile of crap you make up  :wink:
It's funny 'cause you got low renown and are therefore an unknowing peasant fool, get back in the fields please.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Meow on December 10, 2012, 11:10:14 pm
Speaking about Hevi and his looms. Well, that character joined the clan before it was prohibited to use banned accounts in c-rpg website. And if you have ever seen Mercs' armoury you would understand why he was there unnoticed by most of the members (100+ of MW items of merc members excluding Hevi's, and there were shitloads of free unused masterworks), he got kicked from the ladder by Dolby IIRC after some time it was prohibited to use banned characters in the website. So when Meow found out this, that guy was kicked from the ladder like ages ago. If Mercs needed MW items I wouldn't give away my full MW set to random people (Also Meow personally had something from me a year ago or so, I don't remember what but I gave something loomed to him). Also I would not make +3 desert turbans and +3 leather jackets. There was no need in these masterworks.

Don't really wanna get involved in this any further but who ever invited him to the clan to put his heirlooms in the armoury was 100% fully aware that he invited a banned exploiter to put his exploited heirlooms in the clan armoury... doesn't really matter if you needed them or not.

Only brought it up because some people kept calling out people for cheating while they themselves do not exactly have a clean slate in these matters.

On the multiaccounting matter - we're evolving :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Molly on December 10, 2012, 11:16:52 pm
It's funny 'cause you got low renown and are therefore an unknowing peasant fool, get back in the fields please.
My quotient: 475/163 = 2,914110429447853
Your quotient: 583/465 = 1,245726495726496

Suck my e-peen, infamy-whore! Guess there are a lot more people taking you as what you are, shitposter  :P
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on December 10, 2012, 11:18:46 pm
My quotient: 475/163 = 2,914110429447853
Your quotient: 583/465 = 1,245726495726496

Suck my e-peen, infamy-whore! Guess there are a lot more people taking you as what you are, shitposter  :P
You really don't have a clue peasant.
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Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Molly on December 10, 2012, 11:22:16 pm
You really don't have a clue peasant.
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Meh, you're boring - also handing out the same lame troll which actually wasn't funny nor good the first 5 times you tried it. I gonna find myself a worthy opponent in this forum, not just some victim like you. Farewell...  8-)
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Casimir on December 10, 2012, 11:22:59 pm
Can't you just let this thread die...
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on December 10, 2012, 11:28:37 pm
Meh, you're boring - also handing out the same lame troll which actually wasn't funny nor good the first 5 times you tried it. I gonna find myself a worthy opponent in this forum, not just some victim like you. Farewell...  8-)
It's funny 'cause you still have no clue peasant.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: GuiKa on December 11, 2012, 02:54:41 am
Can't you just let this thread die...

Let's get the party started.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Havoco on December 11, 2012, 03:36:01 am
Don't worry, the great prophet havoc has foreseen a bright future for Strategus. The great panos will return. He will usher in a great age of prosperity for the Strategus population. When he returns the Greys, drz, union and vendetta will also return. All of crpg will play Strategus honorably and all hackers and cheaters will be caught and executed promptly. All will crusade under the name of panos.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Hoppster on December 11, 2012, 03:56:21 am
k thnx bye
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Mongolista on December 12, 2012, 01:44:35 pm
So...to sum it up, Greys are leaving because they can't cheat/exploit game mechanics? And throw dirt on admins while leaving? Why don't I even wonder?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: IR_Kuoin on December 12, 2012, 01:47:45 pm
Gingerpussy is banned, well that turned out well for him :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on December 12, 2012, 01:53:32 pm
Gingerpussy is banned, well that turned out well for him :mrgreen:
Wait, what? Fucking awesome.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Moncho on December 12, 2012, 03:22:16 pm
That makes me sad... Who will keep the threads entertaining with his bullshit? Mod is dying.
Also, would be hilarious if the reason for his ban was multiaccounting, after all the effort he has put into explaining his situation.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Thovex on December 12, 2012, 03:30:38 pm
Don't worry, he'll use his wife's or kids account to make another forum account.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Segd on December 12, 2012, 03:40:30 pm
Gingerpussy is banned, well that turned out well for him :mrgreen:
At least we won the forum war! One of the strongest forum generals has fallen  :twisted:
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on December 12, 2012, 03:42:27 pm
At least we won the forum war! The strongest forum general has fallen  :twisted:
I was half expecting UIF to lose that when Cicero left.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Molly on December 12, 2012, 04:41:47 pm
Gingerpussy is banned, well that turned out well for him :mrgreen:
Why? How? Who?  :o
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Latvian on December 12, 2012, 04:41:58 pm
cicero left?
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Blackzilla on December 12, 2012, 04:44:51 pm
Wait, what? Fucking awesome.

Yea I guess the devs had enough of HIS bullshit! (Look at his avatar)
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: KingBread on December 12, 2012, 05:02:51 pm
Cicero left ???? Was his freedom exchanged for Panos ?
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Thovex on December 12, 2012, 05:18:15 pm
Cicero left ???? Was his freedom exchanged for Panos ?

He'll be back.  :P
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: BattalGazi on December 12, 2012, 06:20:22 pm
I just saw this thread and it made my day...

"Tricks and treachery are the practice of fools, that don't have brains enough to be honest" Benjamin Franklin ...

You will not be missed

Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Noctivagant on December 12, 2012, 09:22:45 pm
At least we won the forum war! One of the strongest forum generals has fallen  :twisted:

Oh yes admins are against us, oh no cruel world, we are quitting, the end of the world, At fifteen, I had the will to  learn ; at thirty, I could stand ; at forty, I had no  doubts ; at fifty, I understood the heavenly Bidding ;  at sixty, my ears were opened ; at seventy, I could  do as my heart lusted without trespassing from the  square. no.
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Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Cepeshi on December 13, 2012, 09:17:40 pm
I would not say that those chilli peppers are THAT hot. Considering i have eaten something that almost made my eyes bleed out, just by dissolving in my mouth. But if we take into account the fact, that regular jalapenos...




Ops, wrong thread.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: _GTX_ on December 15, 2012, 10:00:00 pm
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Didnt read, BUT HOLY FUCK. This even beats joker!
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: GRANDMOM on March 16, 2014, 01:06:52 pm
Hmmm, interessting reading, this was way before my time - just heard some talks about cheating and multiaccouting en masse from the GO and mass bans. No its a bit clearer
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Moncho on March 16, 2014, 01:49:53 pm
dat necro
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Erasmas on March 16, 2014, 02:33:50 pm
cheating and multiaccouting en masse from the GO and mass bans

Necro indeed. Plus let me add that "mass bans" in case of GO related to roughly 5 guys , none of them being leaders of the clan, and even these we highly injust in our opinion. This case is closed already.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Latvian on March 16, 2014, 04:20:49 pm
Necro indeed. Plus let me add that "mass bans" in case of GO related to roughly 5 guys , none of them being leaders of the clan, and even these we highly injust in our opinion. This case is closed already.
got cought only those guys who were not smart enough to change IP all the time, right drz and go? I have to admit that now since tick system is integrated that multiaccounting is kinda pointless unless you are absolutely lifeless being that lives in basement of parents house.  :twisted:   

P.S. those who will minus this admit that they are multi ccounters.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Zaharist on March 16, 2014, 04:32:30 pm
yeah -(
since tcik system is integrated we can't multiaccount anymore and now it's obvious how weak are we without cheating and exploiting game mechanics. We simply can do nothing without breaking rules -(
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Latvian on March 16, 2014, 04:37:05 pm
yeah -(
since tcik system is integrated we can't multiaccount anymore and now it's obvious how weak are we without cheating and exploiting game mechanics. We simply can do nothing without breaking rules -(
haha so you finaly admit it, officer throw this man into cage!
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Teeth on March 16, 2014, 05:52:01 pm
Hmmm, interessting reading, this was way before my time - just heard some talks about cheating and multiaccouting en masse from the GO and mass bans. No its a bit clearer
Well this is just incredibly petty.
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Kalp on March 16, 2014, 08:08:46 pm
This case is closed already.
Unfortunately, because for TeamViewer on opponent side no one got ban...
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Erasmas on March 16, 2014, 08:29:41 pm
got cought only those guys who were not smart enough to change IP all the time, right drz and go?

Actually, no. Cought only these who had some troops and eq on Strat...
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Gimest on March 17, 2014, 10:21:51 am
Actually, no. Cought only these who had some troops and eq on Strat...

Because those armies/caravans u had most of the gear were accessed by many players to check how shiny armies can be.... Tho ban because of multiaccounting ;)
Title: Re: Grey Order Strat Announcement
Post by: Harpag on March 17, 2014, 11:15:07 am
You bunch of retarded necrophiliacs - stop minuses my posts from 2012 hehehe

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