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Title: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Tears of Destiny on October 28, 2012, 10:44:04 am
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Standing on top of the muddy hill in the midst of a sea of tattered brown Coalition flags, the Fallen King Tears the Naive slammed a spear into the ground and raised his hands for attention. Turning slowly as he spoke, Tears deep voice boomed out to the masses and was carried away in the winds towards distant Nova Reyvadin. "Brothers and Sisters in arms, we have grown lazy and complacent, slowly poisoned by standing idle and peaceful for too long. Are we to spend the rest of our lives watching passing traders with suspicion, playing at shopkeepers or farmers and watching as those who oppressed us grow stronger by the day?" Angry murmurs ran through the crowd as heads shook. "I have had a vision..."
Pausing and looking at the remnants of the Fallen Brigade, Holy Romans and The Children of the Great Khans who wandered far from the Steppe and into these strange and cold lands, Tears eyes flashed as he drew his scimitar and held it high, the sunlight glittering off the shining blade. "I have had a vision from the GodKing of BIRD Clan about us tearing down false idols of the ice, visions of snow melting from a sea of boiling blood, visions of the cities of the snow in flames with the Scorpion flying high above!" The mismatched sea of soldiers shook their weapons and grew agitated, eyes flashing with bloodlust and nodding with approval as he continued.
"I have spoken to those we choose to represent us, the Leadership, and we have agreed that it is time to settle old blood debts with blood and steel, and reclaim what is rightfully ours. We have suffered from the rulers of the tundra brushing us off as lessers! We have had a band of rightful Holy Roman conquerors of Faraway Mazigh be accused as thieves and tricksters and chased down and killed, then only told afterwards without chance to defend our rights or explain ourselves, unfairly prosecuted as we are all no strangers of! We have had rightful traders attacked and goods confiscated without explanation or due reason! We have been treated as if vermin, unfairly attacked first at every trouble by this 'Union' of the Knights of the Tundra before they even seek to talk to us! Why should we suffer the presence of such fools and villains, and continue to be oppressed by them where they only send messengers AFTER seizing our goods or executing our brethren?!"
An angry ripple surged through the sea of soldiers as Tears looked to the direction of the sea of ice and frozen trees. A violent-sounding chant for war filled the air as cheers were let loose of the upcoming violence that was promised. "Look to your arms and armor, and prepare yourself for the upcoming storm that we shall create, for the Coalition marches once more for plunder and riches, for the BIRD God King, for blood and steel, for Vengeance, for our fallen brothers and sisters and for HOLY WAR!"

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Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: dodnet on October 28, 2012, 11:14:45 am
Good to see that the eastern union finally marches on against UIF... AH WAIT!  :shock:
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: The_Slim on October 28, 2012, 11:19:55 am
YOLO
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Smoothrich on October 28, 2012, 02:03:56 pm
Do absolutely nothing in Strat, while still managing to look like dicks, until everyone else is heavily committed to a war.  At the last moment, join the side that looks guaranteed to win, even though no one asked for your help and will probably have even less respect for you when its over for being opportunist cowards.

House Lannister from Game of Thrones, or NA Fallen?

Find out in my next book  A SONG OF SPERGS AND LIARS:  GAME OF TEARS EDITION
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Bronto on October 28, 2012, 02:11:08 pm
Do absolutely nothing in Strat, while still managing to look like dicks, until everyone else is heavily committed to a war.  At the last moment, join the side that looks guaranteed to win, even though no one asked for your help and will probably have even less respect for you when its over for being opportunist cowards.

House Lannister from Game of Thrones, or NA Fallen?

Find out in my next book  A SONG OF SPERGS AND LIARS:  GAME OF TEARS EDITION

Oh snap Smoothrich! Hurry all of Fallen minus 1 his post like you do everyone else! That'll learn him...
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Aderyn on October 28, 2012, 02:34:36 pm
So basicly your declaring war on KUTT? Or am i misunderstanding something here?
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: MURDERTRON on October 28, 2012, 04:16:38 pm
I prefer threads with maps in them.  Also, that graphic is kind of weird since you guys mostly play ranged and only have like 1 cavalry guy.  Either way, I look forward to the exp
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: jtobiasm on October 28, 2012, 04:48:01 pm
A TL:DR version would of been nice tears. ;) I've read it and still don't understand it!
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Vovka on October 28, 2012, 05:28:43 pm
I prefer threads with maps in them.  Also, that graphic is kind of weird since you guys mostly play ranged and only have like 1 cavalry guy.  Either way, I look forward to the exp
COA guys in the lower left corner  :P
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Spanish on October 28, 2012, 05:36:17 pm
I prefer threads with maps in them.  Also, that graphic is kind of weird since you guys mostly play ranged and only have like 1 cavalry guy.  Either way, I look forward to the exp

I thought the same thing, when does Tears have a spear...ever? And the I read lost steppe people looking to reclaim land and was like here we go again then you talk about burning snow. So your going after Kutt because they killed some traders in their territory. Well that sounds awfully familiar to what BRD did minus the in territory thing.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Gmnotutoo on October 28, 2012, 05:38:07 pm
My most excellent vision of uniting all of NA into following the Godking Partyboy is coming to fruition.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: dodnet on October 28, 2012, 05:55:13 pm
I prefer threads with maps in them.  Also, that graphic is kind of weird since you guys mostly play ranged and only have like 1 cavalry guy.  Either way, I look forward to the exp

You got it wrong. Fallen are the two guys hiding behind the wall while the cav is BIRD clan who chases the retreating Fallen army with their own looted stuff. It's not a declaration of war, its actually a begging for mercy!
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Lordark on October 28, 2012, 07:15:29 pm
Long Live the NA UIF! Death to all who oppose them! oo wait..


FUCK YOU ALL!!!!         just kidding tho after 2 years of this game Im used to it. I look foward to seeing NA strat die after this debacle is over.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: In Cauda Venenum on October 28, 2012, 08:50:47 pm
wow, after you sung rick astley in our TS you do this.
fuck you
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Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: TugBoat on October 28, 2012, 08:56:43 pm
Do absolutely nothing in Strat, while still managing to look like dicks, until everyone else is heavily committed to a war.  At the last moment, join the side that looks guaranteed to win, even though no one asked for your help and will probably have even less respect for you when its over for being opportunist cowards.

House Lannister from Game of Thrones, or NA Fallen?

Find out in my next book  A SONG OF SPERGS AND LIARS:  GAME OF TEARS EDITION

House Lannister are not opportunistic cowards.

During Robert's rebellion, you have to keep in mind that Tywin was hand of the King. He was sworn to assist and protect the King at all costs. Tywin eventually resigned as hand after the mad king's random and unjustified public executions continued. He returned to Casterly Rock, and joined Robert after ignoring a summons to war by the Mad King.

If anyone was opportunistic, it was the Freys. They did not join a side until the war was practically decided.

TL;DR - Check yoself before you wreck yoself.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Smoothrich on October 28, 2012, 09:08:40 pm
That's not what happens at all.  More historical revisionism, except this time instead of traitor history it is Westeros.  How bizarre.   
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: TugBoat on October 28, 2012, 09:11:53 pm
That's not what happens at all.  More historical revisionism, except this time instead of traitor history it is Westeros.  How bizarre.   

It's exactly what happened. More blatant stupidity from Shmoothwish as usual. Go read a book.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Nightingale on October 28, 2012, 09:25:19 pm
 :cry: Soooo is this a war? or a slaughter I haven't figured it out yet.

It was pretty obvious that KUTT was not ready for war when FCC decided to invade, Hospitallers are bogged down with Invasions into the Steppe, and KUTT being pushed back leaving Reyvadin completely open to attack.

I wouldn't say anything but it's pretty obvious that you have no reason to take Reyvadin beyond personal greed. I just wish there was something more we could do about it, but it seems most of our clan is taking vacations in EU. Me included.

Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Blackzilla on October 28, 2012, 09:27:26 pm
:cry: Soooo is this a war? or a slaughter I haven't figured it out yet.

It was pretty obvious that KUTT was not ready for war when FCC decided to invade, Hospitallers are bogged down with Invasions into the Steppe, and KUTT being pushed back leaving Reyvadin completely open to attack.

I wouldn't say anything but it's pretty obvious that you have no reason to take Reyvadin beyond personal greed. I just wish there was something more we could do about it, but it seems most of our clan is taking vacations in EU. Me included.
They don't want to fight a real war, but, for any battle against the coalition, I will sign for KUTT!
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: oprah_winfrey on October 28, 2012, 09:37:49 pm
Considering I was robbed by fallen, made a deal with them which was reneged on, I think I know what side to merc for.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Smoothrich on October 28, 2012, 09:38:14 pm
It's exactly what happened. More blatant stupidity from Shmoothwish as usual. Go read a book.

Tywin resigned because his family's ~~honor~~ was being griefed by the Mad King Aerys, who was also probably fucking/raping his wife, likely creating Tyrion that way.  All Tywin cared about was his reputation, which Aerys undestood and just trolled the shit out of him until he quit.  He was long gone from King's Landing when Aerys started trolling the other families by killing their sons, pretty much leaving right when Jaime became Kingsguard.

Lannisters stayed out of Robert's Rebellion during its entirety, because Tywin is a really fucking bad strategist and person.  He is only written as "cutthroat and cool" superficially when he is extremely flawed and incompetent in the story.  They only sent an army after Ned and Robert killed Prince Rhaegar at the Battle of the Trident, the conclusive fight of the rebellion.

Then once the war was decided, Tywin came marching to the capital with an army, asking his old buddy the Mad King to open the gates so they could help defend it.  He proceeded to slaughter the citizens, and ordered his men to find the infant and tween heirs to the throne, so they could be raped, murdered, and have their heads presented to Robert in order to look like they were actually allied all along.  All he did was rape and pillage a defenceless city to try to take credit for being on the "right side."

These actions caused Ned Stark and most of Westeros to have absolutely no respect for the Lannister family, as their display of "being on the right side" was a mockery of justice, and a deep lack of integrity.  Best was the blowback this caused, because the late Prince Rhaegar's now raped and murdered wife was from Dorne, causing Dorne for decades to plot on how to get revenge on Lannisters and take over Westeros politics themselves.

That story is something that Fallen should definitely take a lesson from.  Knowing that you took from ASOIAF that "Tywin is a hero and the Lannisters are great" is hilarious though, and explains your very feeble understanding of real world history very well.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Lordark on October 28, 2012, 09:55:34 pm
Cant  Na fallen do without EU fallen?

Your just hurting your good image Tears
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Tears of Destiny on October 28, 2012, 09:58:31 pm
YOLO
On the contrary, we are all immortal in Calradia, but good spirit nontheless.
So basicly your declaring war on KUTT? Or am i misunderstanding something here?
Yes.
I prefer threads with maps in them.  Also, that graphic is kind of weird since you guys mostly play ranged and only have like 1 cavalry guy.  Either way, I look forward to the exp
We all have our preferences. Also the graphic is closer to the start then the modern Brigade, and the EU side has numerous Cavalry. Additionally, the NA side still does not have much range compared to what people were used to, and we actually mostly play heavy infantry now (which is ironic). Regardless the graphic is pretty fitting to represent the coalition as a whole considering the Great Khans and HRE and Fallen Brigade have a great deal many cavalry together, it is just the NA side that is a bit of an anomaly *shrugs*.
A TL:DR version would of been nice tears. ;) I've read it and still don't understand it!
We are performing according to our RP and declaring war on KUTT.
COA guys in the lower left corner  :P
The NA* Coa  :wink:
I thought the same thing, when does Tears have a spear...ever?
Literally every other map now for the last month considering a quarter to a third of the server population has a horse. Warspear/Fauch/Pitchfork due to me having an intense disliking of being bumped to death. Sadly I'm finding myself using it more then my scimitar during peak hours.
:cry:  Soooo is this a war? or a slaughter I haven't figured it out yet.
All wars are slaughters, I can't remember the last time I saw an "even" war in strategus from beginning to end.
I wouldn't say anything but it's pretty obvious that you have no reason to take Reyvadin beyond personal greed.
Greed, bloodlust, boredom, survival considering our neighbors and the future of the area, acknowledging orders from the one true clan BIRD CLAN, and also being tired of peace and a lot being tired of numerous (4+) times KUTT has chosen to attack us and THEN discuss with us instead of the other way around and generally leadership not being amused with your impulsive stance on diplomacy with us. Attacking MarktPlatz and the following accusatons and how it was handled was the start to a downward mess unfortunately.  :( 
Cant  Na fallen do without EU fallen?
What? All Coalition members in NA Lands are living in NA, including the HRE members present.  :|  Everything we have been doing has been without EU Fallen.
Considering I was robbed by fallen, made a deal with them which was reneged on, I think I know what side to merc for.
The attack was a mistake. However, you reneged on the deal not us. The deal was that you would make sure that no one would sign up for the battle and we would return your crap. I signed up for that battle and so pray tell why then did we have to slaughter a bunch of people, so that is entirely your fault and you reneged, not us.
This does NOT look like an empty roster.
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My most excellent vision of uniting all of NA into following the Godking Partyboy is coming to fruition.
HOLY WAR!




Honestly, people have already made up their minds about us. Whether we remained neutral, chose one side or the other, we would have had people posting their approval and dissaproval, so in the end we just need to do what is best for the clan as well as consider who has treated us in what way. BIRD and FCC have always been nice to Fallen and never did us any harm, I apologize for anyone who is offended by our decisions, but there is no way to appease everyone. Literally ever war and every side has been attacked on the forums for every action, so there is no use in trying to please everyone. Enemies will still hate us, regardless of our actions. Naturally we will be more friendly towards a side that has always been communicative with us and has worked well with us in the past, then a side that has on numerous occasions attacked us before talking.

We are remaining true to our RP and are following the wishes of the Democratic Meritocracy that is The Coalition. This is our declaration of war. Take it or leave it.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Garem on October 28, 2012, 10:15:16 pm
I'm the trademaster for NA Fallen. We were supposed to have an open trade agreement with KUTT.

We've lost about 4 trade caravans since this started. Two of them were to KUTT.

50% of our trade losses (and recovering only about 60% of lost assets of troops/gold). The decision to go to war wasn't a hard one, and based on pragmatism. Hopefully we can get finally something back for these losses.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Nightingale on October 28, 2012, 10:19:11 pm
Silly tears, I don't hate you. I just find it odd that you choose now... of all times to choose from to attack  :|
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: oohillac on October 28, 2012, 10:22:48 pm
you guys need to kutt it out

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Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Spanish on October 28, 2012, 10:23:27 pm
Sigh I need to get on the brattle servers more :/ stupid school...
Well good luck fallen, murdering people is always a pleasure.

And smooth shouldn't that be in a spoiler( I've read the books) for those who haven't read them well never mind that was explained pretty early on and everybody hates them lannisters any how.



     
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Tears of Destiny on October 28, 2012, 10:31:12 pm
Silly tears, I don't hate you. I just find it odd that you choose now... of all times to choose from to attack  :|
I don't hate you either  :cry:  Honestly I've always had grand fun playing on the servers either with or against KUTT, and love your TeamSpeak server and everyone in it. KUTT has always been one of my favorite clans due to how polite and easy going and fun everyone is in it. Unfortunately Strategus is another game entirely (One of the many reasons why I hate playing it, stab someone in Battle and it is grand fun, stab someone in Strat and people make grudges) =\


I find the time to attack also odd, but it did come after literally over 6 hours of discussions yesterday not even counting the previous talks and arguments so rest assured this was not an impulsive decision. We felt that the future of the NA Coalition depended on us acting now instead of continuing to idly stand by or take on random small merc contracts. That combined with the GodKing Partyboy summoning us meant that we had to act.


Also, ban Smooth for spoilers of GoT, we ban people in server for that and here he is obviously griefing and attempting to derail my humble diplomacy thread. Ban He, Mute He, Wipe those posts!
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Warcat on October 28, 2012, 10:51:57 pm
will probably have even less respect for you when its over for being opportunist cowards.
Sounds like we're doing our evil right. And this certainly is a good opportunity to improve our trade of cute, fluffy, evil Zagush kittens, which is all I'm really concerned about.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Goretooth on October 28, 2012, 10:56:01 pm
lol he posted spoilers? glad i don't read his pointless posts anymore. But he he should get a warning or ban for that. Not like he's completely derailing the thread as well.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: TugBoat on October 28, 2012, 11:09:18 pm
lol he posted spoilers? glad i don't read his pointless posts anymore. But he he should get a warning or ban for that. Not like he's completely derailing the thread as well.

Don't read anything Smooth has to say. He's completely idiotic about pretty much everything. Once again he dodges my main point in a discussion to try to appear intelligent.

My main point, was, the fact that he stepped down from being the Hand and refused the King's summons to war is an act of war in and of itself, and there were many houses who stayed out of the fight who had less reason to hold loyalties to the king. Many of House Arryn's bannermen stayed out of the fight despite their Lord's order, the Freys stayed out of it despite being sworn to the Riverlords who were on the side of the Starks.

Lannister's played a much larger part in the war than many of the houses despite probably having more reason to be loyal than most due to Tywin's post. Calling them opportunistic is ridiculous, especially since Tywin had the chance, as did Ned, to claim the throne, and they didn't.  If he had stayed out of the fight, showed up in time for Jaime to kill the king, and then claimed the throne for himself, that would be opportunistic.

Smooth do you even know what the word opportunistic means?

TL;DR - Tears is a Frey, not a Lannister.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: oprah_winfrey on October 28, 2012, 11:13:30 pm
The attack was a mistake. However, you reneged on the deal not us. The deal was that you would make sure that no one would sign up for the battle and we would return your crap. I signed up for that battle and so pray tell why then did we have to slaughter a bunch of people, so that is entirely your fault and you reneged, not us.
This does NOT look like an empty roster.

I was originally told to just fight it out by smiling daemon. He asked me on steam if I could not show up for the battle, so I unassigned all my guys and went to sleep. Considering I am the only person that can change the roster, and it was empty when I went to bed I can't really say what happened, other then there was some sort of bug. You can probably see this is the case in your screenshot because I am still accepted to the battle, and didn't show up. Why exactly would I want to take a hit to my reliability?

 But I could really see what was asked of me to do as a favor to speed things up would be reneging on a deal. And I am sure those six peasants who showed up that didn't kill any of your men was a real hindrance.

Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Keshian on October 28, 2012, 11:18:11 pm
If you leave the roster completely empty now an auto-hiring feature kicks in.  You have to hire 1 person and you can avoid this.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Joseph Porta on October 28, 2012, 11:32:57 pm
Serious business
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Warcat on October 28, 2012, 11:38:17 pm
Spreading the trade of evil Zagush kittens is very serious business.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Joseph Porta on October 28, 2012, 11:41:04 pm
Angriff
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Smiling Daemon on October 28, 2012, 11:43:10 pm
TL;DR - Tears is a Frey, not a Lannister.

This I can confirm, Tears have many wives and I had to agree to marry one of his daughters just to get him to be my diplomat  :? .
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: TugBoat on October 29, 2012, 12:09:06 am
This I can confirm, Tears have many wives and I had to agree to marry one of his daughters just to get him to be my diplomat  :? .

How does Tears get any wives by being a dirty two faced back stabber? Hangs out with us yesterday and plays karaoke, trades with us, works  with us, has good relations and then stabs me in the back? Tears is gaining enemies, not wives!
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Lordark on October 29, 2012, 12:16:48 am
Remember children that the Fallen clan is the only truley ;eevil' clan in strat so renegging on ANY deal is Allowed and thus Promoted by the '

RP'ing code of conduct. Basically its their get of out any situation free card. Just FYI.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Tanken on October 29, 2012, 12:18:29 am
The great Dictator of the Tundra sat heavily at his wobbly throne. His ears filled with banter and shouts and arguments across the chamber before him as many advisers spewed filth from their mouth towards him. His crown slumped to the side as his cheek sank deeper to the knuckle of his clenched hand. A chilled wind whipped across the stone walls and flickered the dimly lit candles of the room. As the men continued talking, rolling parchment out, and fiercely stabbing at locations upon maps and arguing with one another, the man would lift his hand and a hush would fall upon the chamber. Many moments would pass as the advisers and noblemen of each house stood to listen to what he had to say.

Slowly, he would rise, his face solemn and grave, pale in contrast to its merry appearance not many weeks prior. His heavy brows would shadow his eyes as his hand left his cheek and he sat straight before the men.

"Brothers," he would begin, though those in the room knew they were not always equal and the term was used faintly. "I hear your pleas, I hear your concerns. My advisers, hold your tongue as I speak, as I shall clear these false claims and accusations with one fell-swoop of my words. These men of the Coalition, what have we done to them? On two occasions, mark you, two occasions we have attacked their traders in our territory. We have clearly stated our intentions of trade, and made it known. The man we held captive, what was his name.." he would pause a moment and continue, "Sir AdalWulf of the Holy Roman Empire, ah yes. The man whom plundered goods from a fief without request and then attempted to flee to the mountains."

He would stand, his heavy fur-ridden boots barely held up by thin straps wrapped around his toned calves as his fur shawl fell to the floor and dragged behind him. "There was no compensation for this, I am afraid. I had thought it were made clear of the mistake they made." his hand would reach to a bowl of water on a nearby stand and he would begin to run his hands through it. "The other, a man whom approached our gates of Yruma, sodden with goods we ourselves could not make way in our economy to purchase. What did we do? We reached out, for near half a day to many of these Fallen clan, only to be directed to their near settlement, in which no reply was ever given in due time. I gave the order to attack, we took the man captive, and held his cargo.

"We held this, all 2,000 kilos or so of goods, for some time, awaiting them to arrive. Then, we have been set upon by the Free Companies. A move we long foresaw, but were grimly unprepared for. I was told that the Lord of Yruma in haste to prepare himself for this war sold some kilos of goods, a near thirty percent or so, to which I sent my apologies to the Fallen clan nearby. We have offered to ship them three hundred of our finest goods, and have already returned the goods as well as allowed these men to take use of our mercantile network since this took place."

He would stop a moment, cupping water in the bowl and splashing it to his face to wash himself. A sharp breath of air escaped his dry, cracked lips as he stood front again. "We have been fair to these men, we have opened our doors to them, we have sent our finest warriors to aid them in battle even against long standing good relationships with the men of Chaos. And these men, with nothing in their eyes except greed and false-pretense march upon us? What cowards." he would say as he sauntered back to the throne and placed himself upon it, his fur shawl practically melting over the sides.

Discontent filled the room as noblemen shifted uneasily in their seats and their squires tended to them. Advisers, once angry with banter now saw their lord truly frightened.

"We have barely enough food to ration for four establishments, yet we attempt to feed the mouths in nine. Our men, more than we have to clothe, will soon fight naked with nothing but stone and stick against a foe much better suited than ourselves. Our horses are slaughtered to feed starving troops, and the dead stripped of what they have to aid those still living. These are dark times my brothers.. dark times." His large hairy hand would caress half his face as his good eye peered out between parted fingertips. "Let them come. Our men will fall. Talks of peace are beyond us now. I had sworn to these Fallen men even the claim to Ulburban when our foothold was reclaimed. But it is of no use, they want more."

He would motion to a man to the side who brought forth parchment, ink, and quill and lowered himself before the Dictator. "Write as I have said," he would say before lowering his hand to rest upon his lap and face the nobles and advisers. "Those of you whom stay, you will parish alongside me. Our steel is not the strength it once was brothers. I have failed to prepare us for the Winter, and I will fight to my dying breath with grievance in my soul for doing so. To the west, the passage is foul, but new life exists beyond those mountains. The Knights of the Tundra will soon see our demise, and any man whom shall falter with not see themselves hunted nor their heirs be persecuted. I leave to you this, stand with me, and die with honor, or flee as you will and take nothing with you but the memory of what brave men and Knights will be buried beneath this Tundra."
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: In Cauda Venenum on October 29, 2012, 12:22:43 am
I leave to you this, stand with me, and die with honor, or flee as you will and take nothing with you but the memory of what brave men and Knights will be buried beneath this Tundra."
LOL NVM NO .gifs ALLOWED
but really, this whole business is gay, i just want a sweet title when i go into battle, that's all.
let me keep my fief if huey's reading this because i'm a cool guy
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Gristle on October 29, 2012, 12:32:53 am
Fallen are villains. This is a classic villain maneuver. I approve.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Nightingale on October 29, 2012, 12:39:00 am
You ate all my horses tanken  :cry: Which will certainly lead to my demise!
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Tears of Destiny on October 29, 2012, 12:41:56 am
Remember children that the Fallen clan is the only truley ;eevil' clan in strat so renegging on ANY deal is Allowed and thus Promoted by the '

RP'ing code of conduct. Basically its their get of out any situation free card. Just FYI.

My good sir, we did not reneg on any deal with KUTT.

The only deal we had with KUTT was a Trade Deal. That is it, that is literally the only deal, beyond that we were simply peaceful neighbors with a few misunderstandings. We recently Declared war, we did not even attack them and then declare, we openly issued a declaration first.

Nothing was reneged on, we never had an alliance of any shape or form, as is evident by the lack of any declaration in these forums.

Now excuse me while I count my evil Zagush kittens and practice my villainous laugh.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Lordark on October 29, 2012, 12:51:51 am
All this talk about fair fights and equal rights and justice in NA and from ToD which have been so quickly blown out the window when

 threatened to be forced to pay for goods you have stolen from multiple clan in NA is not very admirable. Joining an overly 1 sided fight to

try to whipe your little merry band of thieves is almost despicable. I truly hope the just minded people of Na judge you justly ToD and Co.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Tears of Destiny on October 29, 2012, 12:58:56 am
All this talk about fair fights and equal rights and justice in NA and from ToD which have been so quickly blown out the window when

 threatened to be forced to pay for goods you have stolen from multiple clan in NA is not very admirable. Joining an overly 1 sided fight to

try to whipe your little merry band of thieves is almost despicable. I truly hope the just minded people of Na judge you justly ToD and Co.


Fair fights? Fair fights are suicidal, never did advocate them and I never will, fair fights are explicitly forbidden in Fallen doctrine anyways unless practicing among ourselves.
Equal rights? I've only said that the peasants of Calradia should be freed from oppressors, what issue of Equal Rights have been discussed and how is that relevant to the issue at hand?
Justice in NA? Justice is far too open to interpretation, one idea of Justice may differ from another, and there is no Justice in any War. No one has ever mentioned justice here.
Not sure what you are referencing when talking about being forced to pay for stolen goods.

Lordak, I'm never exactly sure what you are talking about. =\ Yes, I see that you are clearly mad that one of your allies is now under attack from yet another foe and that things look dark for them, darker then ever, but you don't need to start babbling on about justice or EU invasions of NA or the multitude of off-topics rants you seem so fond of =\

At the end of the day, we aim to not be almost despicable  but to be absolutely despicable thank you very much, enjoy the game in the way we see fit, survive and be merry, and above all not take Strategus so seriously, and avoid making silly internet grudges.  :wink:
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Gmnotutoo on October 29, 2012, 01:06:12 am
See that Tanken, I up-voted one of your posts because you did it with intelligence and in an RP format. I'm not a hard person to please and by the way good writing. There is still a chance that you can become my vassal and serve me in my epic quest to hand the world over to Partyboy.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Havoco on October 29, 2012, 01:10:53 am
we start making silly internet grudges.  :wink:

Lulz.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Tears of Destiny on October 29, 2012, 01:17:35 am
Lulz.


Edited for clarity.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Gristle on October 29, 2012, 01:33:35 am
All this talk about fair fights and equal rights and justice in NA and from ToD which have been so quickly blown out the window when

 threatened to be forced to pay for goods you have stolen from multiple clan in NA is not very admirable. Joining an overly 1 sided fight to

try to whipe your little merry band of thieves is almost despicable. I truly hope the just minded people of Na judge you justly ToD and Co.

What part of villains didn't you get? No mustache is more twirled than Fallen's.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: TurmoilTom on October 29, 2012, 01:37:36 am
What part of villains didn't you get? No mustache is more twirled than Fallen's.

And what a fine moustache it is.

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Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Warcat on October 29, 2012, 01:45:56 am
fair fights and equal rights and justice
ewwww
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: TugBoat on October 29, 2012, 02:04:02 am
You can say what you want Tears and try to hide behind being humorous or following Fallen doctrine, but don't try to be nice to me anymore because you're on my shit list. We were supposed to be having fun battles with BRD even though we were already outmatched, and now we have to worry about your stupid self coming and turning the battle even further against us. You are a scoundrel and deserve to be quartered.

I would challenge you to one on one single combat but we all know you're far too much of a coward.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Warcat on October 29, 2012, 02:08:12 am
I'll duel you anytime you want. Sword and shields only. I'm sure you won't mind if I use my shielder instead of my main.

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Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Zildjan on October 29, 2012, 02:10:58 am
I was a little sad we were going to war against KUTT till all this whining began.  Now all there is left to do is wipe them off the map so we can back stab and kill each other like men
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Tanken on October 29, 2012, 02:11:44 am
See that Tanken, I up-voted one of your posts because you did it with intelligence and in an RP format. I'm not a hard person to please and by the way good writing. There is still a chance that you can become my vassal and serve me in my epic quest to hand the world over to Partyboy.

What...

Have...

I...

Done!?

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Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Lordark on October 29, 2012, 02:29:27 am
The 2 weeks I personolly worked with fallen were fairly enjoyable to say the least. They send us a hand ful of mercs while they take thousands of our S/D without even bothering to ask! I would have said yes but they dont even care!

Even when I message them they just ignore you!     I hope NA enjoys having these kinds of neighbors, they deserve each other.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: TugBoat on October 29, 2012, 02:33:43 am
I was a little sad we were going to war against KUTT till all this whining began.  Now all there is left to do is wipe them off the map so we can back stab and kill each other like men

Of course we're going to whine when we think you're our friends and declare war on us without even talking to us, especially singling me out when I did nothing wrong to anyone in Fallen. I am not even being given the option of an honor duel.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Warcat on October 29, 2012, 02:46:19 am
we think you're our friends

We are, all we're trying to do is burn your churches, rape your women, and destroy your armies. Are you really going to let a friendship be destroyed for such a petty reason?
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: TugBoat on October 29, 2012, 02:48:08 am
We are, all we're trying to do is burn your churches, rape your women, and destroy your armies. Are you really going to let a friendship be destroyed for such a petty reason?

Yes
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Keshian on October 29, 2012, 03:21:08 am



Then, we have been set upon by the Free Companies. A move we long foresaw, but were grimly unprepared for.

This is what I don't get.  You have had no battles other than against 1 6-man clan over 1 village for the entire 2 months of strategus, you built up 5000+ troops (more than we had even before we lost 1200 we sent into Hospitaller lands), you have been doing long-distance trading.  Now you are losing because you are unprepared???  What were you doing this entire time??  Maybe its better that some more active clans that will make better use of fiefs and resources and play a more active role in strategus replace KUTT in the snow.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: To Kill A Dead Horse on October 29, 2012, 03:43:48 am
Just going to say that I did nothing to make Na fallen an enemy.
ALSO: FCC, its very hard to defend a village against you when its basicly what 2 people could scrap together on defense (Swiss clan fuck yeah) . All I hope is the rest of KUTT land has gear for their troops.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Goretooth on October 29, 2012, 04:39:07 am
woot i get to pillage Fallen again.  :twisted:
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Tanken on October 29, 2012, 04:55:17 am
This is what I don't get.  You have had no battles other than against 1 6-man clan over 1 village for the entire 2 months of strategus, you built up 5000+ troops (more than we had even before we lost 1200 we sent into Hospitaller lands), you have been doing long-distance trading.  Now you are losing because you are unprepared???  What were you doing this entire time??  Maybe its better that some more active clans that will make better use of fiefs and resources and play a more active role in strategus replace KUTT in the snow.

Of 40 KUTT members, 11 of us were active.

Myself
Tugboat
KillerofFlowers
Dutchy
Adrian
RJ
DooM
Desirable
Wolfgang
Slim


Edit: (sorry for forgetting a few names, was late!)


Hell, I can't really think of an 8th. Everyone else dilly-dallied for a long time. So while we look big, the reason you guys are seeing such largely undefended fiefs is us not having people to run the gear in timely manners. Our 3 active traders, all have been attacked. We just spread ourselves too thin, and didn't have people serious in Strategus enough to really make a difference despite our large appearance.

Despite numerous meetings and calling people out on not helping in Strategus, most people did nothing. People have/had fiefs that didn't deserve them, and made little effort to see them garrisoned appropriately. Just refer to my RP post, pretty much just highlights my displeasure with our ability to put together a good strat campaign. We deserved to be wiped, can't run a machine with only 20% of the parts it needs to make it functional, and unfortunately that's what our campaign has been.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Warcat on October 29, 2012, 05:10:38 am
I know not even all Fallens would agree with me on this, but as far as I'm concerned, a good city fight is reason enough reason to attack someone. Been wanting us to burn Praven to the ground since strat 1. Part of the reason I don't really involve myself in all this diplomacy hoopla. Would rather spend my cRPG related time causing rage on the servers.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Keshian on October 29, 2012, 05:36:59 am
Of 40 KUTT members, 8 of us were active.

Myself
Tugboat
KillerofFlowers
Dutchy
Adrian
RJ
DooM


Forgot Desire, one of your most active traders who also deserved a fief.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: ildist on October 29, 2012, 06:05:01 am
You should totally give ildist and mates sumbuja, kesh.  :D
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Turboflex on October 29, 2012, 06:10:46 am
 I think NH coulda taken out KUTT they are so disorganized
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Lemmy_Winks on October 29, 2012, 06:53:06 am
There is probabbly more active players in NH or HP than kutt if what tanken says is true. Theres the size of the clan, and then there is the number of people who are actually participating in strat.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: TugBoat on October 29, 2012, 06:59:00 am
I disagree with Tanken as to why we were not prepared. Yes we had a certain handful of people who were MOST active, but the main issue was that the majority of our traders had bad luck because of S&D.

We would go towards places to buy goods, the S&D would get drained right before we got there, and we'd wait around for days until we could buy. Then we'd return home, and moments before we were to sell the S&D would get drained. I think that being unprepared in regards to prosperity at home played into not being prepared, and plain bad luck as far as going out and trading.

I've been by myself in Reyvadin pretty much since we got it. I recruited a ton of troops, almost all by myself, and got some sweet gear just off of tax revenue.

Many of the other fief owners sat around and expected things to be brought to them. Of course bringing things to them was part of the plan, but they should have been preparing themselves. People werent' recruiting appropriately or spending their money appropriately, and a lot of this was due to the inexperience of some of the fief owners. That's not an excuse though. Reyvadin is my first fief and I figured it out.

When FCC invaded a lot of people panicked, ran in various directions, attacked various people, attack orders were given that weren't thought out too well. That was just a chain of tiny mistakes.


All that being said, FCC has a shit ton of more active strat experienced members than we do, so even without the mistakes or the mismanagement it would have happened the same basically.




Anyways getting back on track:

Yes, Tears, you did have a trade agreement with us. You told Dutchy you'd help him get safely to KUTT territory and he could drop some goods in your castle, then when he gets there you take the goods, boot him from the fief and attack him. You make me sick. If you weren't such a coward or playing on EU server I'd love killing you repeatedly. I guess you're content to hide behind your faux "evil" theme in order to justify being a sneeky backstabbing ass hole. Good day to you sir.

I think NH coulda taken out KUTT they are so disorganized

BOAT clan could beat NH and I'm the only active member of BOAT clan. Don't kid yourself.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: The_Slim on October 29, 2012, 07:06:50 am
Of 40 KUTT members, 8 of us were active.

Myself
Tugboat
KillerofFlowers
Dutchy
Adrian
RJ
DooM



Feeling left out bro, and it hurts :(

Recruited around 500 troops
Acquired about 75,000 gold worth of equipment from trading
Gave out about 30,000 straight gold from trading

Going to go cry myself to sleep.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Warcat on October 29, 2012, 07:09:52 am

Yes, Tears, you did have a trade agreement with us. You told Dutchy you'd help him get safely to KUTT territory and he could drop some goods in your castle, then when he gets there you take the goods, boot him from the fief and attack him. You make me sick. If you weren't such a coward or playing on EU server I'd love killing you repeatedly. I guess you're content to hide behind your faux "evil" theme in order to justify being a sneeky backstabbing ass hole. Good day to you sir.

BOAT clan could beat NH and I'm the only active member of BOAT clan. Don't kid yourself.
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Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: TugBoat on October 29, 2012, 07:12:44 am
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BOAT clan has been dark side since its inception, but even the dark side can have honor and honesty which is something Fallen and their coalition friends apparently lack.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Warcat on October 29, 2012, 07:22:37 am
Honesty I can approve of in real life situations, don't much care about it in a video game. As for honor, seems like a bit of an archaic value to me. The type of thing that Japanese pilots used as a reason for flying their planes into enemy ships.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Tears of Destiny on October 29, 2012, 07:47:13 am
Oh dear... Oh my...

Oh dear oh my  :(

You can say what you want Tears and try to hide behind being humorous or following Fallen doctrine, but don't try to be nice to me anymore because you're on my shit list.
My apologies, but you have no authority to order me to stop being nice to you, I shall always like you even if I have upset you so much over Strategus. I am just sorry to see you in such a state and be yet another leader claimed by the byzantine politics that Strategus is infamous for.
You are a scoundrel and deserve to be quartered.
I would have it no other way.
I would challenge you to one on one single combat but we all know you're far too much of a coward.
Actually the servers know me full well for never being a coward in the actual battle/siege. I've regularly and gleefully met my death many times, even if I've had nothing but a +3 Elders Stick to defend myself with. If it really would make you feel better by murdering me (because I am absolutely terrible at this game, so it really should not take all that much effort from you) then I would be more then happy to join the Duel Server when we are both free and have you kill me as much as you would like... Well, within reason, I'll likely get bored after you kill me for the 100th time. We can even record it and post it to the entire forums if you wish, to prove that you can defeat someone of my... ah... Caliber.
I may be terrible, but I am not a coward. So please, my good and distressed TugBoat, would you like to meet me on the duel server, say... Wed night, about 2100 Eastern time? Just tell me what character you would like me to bring, a shielder, cav, polearm, etc.
The 2 weeks I personolly worked with fallen were fairly enjoyable to say the least. They send us a hand ful of mercs while they take thousands of our S/D without even bothering to ask! I would have said yes but they dont even care!

Even when I message them they just ignore you!     I hope NA enjoys having these kinds of neighbors, they deserve each other.
Well to be perfectly blunt you are a fool of a took  :wink:  Even when we, the Fallen, were perfectly civil you were always rather rude to us in TeamSpeak, so no love lost there good sir. Additionally, who exactly did you message? I have kept literally ever single message ever sent to me, and every single message I've ever sent on these oh-so-lulzy forums, and I dare say I don't have a single message from you... So if you want to contact us... Don't message random people? Every single Hospitaller that has PMed me on the forums I have responded to, though my favorite is Valdian, he was always super easy to talk to and always approached us properly.
Of course we're going to whine when we think you're our friends and declare war on us without even talking to us, especially singling me out when I did nothing wrong to anyone in Fallen. I am not even being given the option of an honor duel.
Erm, Honor Duel? First off you are tragically mistaken if you think any Fallen is going to issue an honor duel to anyone other then another Fallen, apparently we need to emphasize our reputation more often and much more strongly, maybe this war is a really good thing after all if people now think of us as those to ask for duels... =\ Secondly a few of our members unfortunately think you have indeed wronged them.
Just going to say that I did nothing to make Na fallen an enemy.
I completely agree, Swiss has never done us any wrong.
woot i get to pillage Fallen again.  :twisted:
Yes you do! It will be just like the good-old days again <3
If you weren't such a coward or playing on EU server I'd love killing you repeatedly.
Well, again, I've never been known to be a coward in battle, last night the FCC can personally attest to how many times I thrown myself carelessly into danger to protect them (And amusingly 80% of my deaths were from my internet DCing me  :lol: ), so again, see above if you really do wish to kill me.
Also, I'm insulted that you know us so poorly as to think I am EU. So many stereotypes, tsk tsk, is it any wonder a few Fallen are itching for war?  :wink:
BOAT clan has been dark side since its inception, but even the dark side can have honor and honesty which is something Fallen and their coalition friends apparently lack.
The more I read your expectations of us, the more I'm glad we initiated this war... Apparently The Fallen Brigade have done an absolutely piss-poor job as of late properly roleplaying... All EU? All Duelists? All Honorable? Gah... Your accusations make me sick... I want to throw up =S


I should have known that an alliance with knights would be a bad thing, those silly notions of Honor is what gets good men killed on the battlefield...


[[OOC: I do hope that you are RPing merrily as a disgruntled ruler and are not actually this upset over things =\ <3 best of wishes to you and your clan, Fallen always did love seeing you guys when you first hit the servers, great teamwork clan! My favorite color is also royal purple!
 While Honesty and Honor are great and marvelous things in real life, seeing as this is a wargame on the internet about silly horses I would rather have fun, sorry for ruining your game good chap, here is wishing that you'd fight another Knight clan! Perhaps if you had fought Hospitaller instead of allied with them, then you could have an honourable war... But allying with all of those honorable gents will obviously leave nothing but dishonorable or 'practical' foes left =\
In another online game I roleplay a silly honorable gent, but this silly online game I do anything but that, and I do hope you take our c-RPG theme a bit more seriously in mind next time and Strategus as a whole less seriously.]]


EDIT: Really now, of course our leadership will think we are in the right and you in the wrong, and your leadership will think that you are in the right and us in the wrong, I would be surprised if it was any other way.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: TugBoat on October 29, 2012, 08:20:33 am
Oh dear... Oh my...

Oh dear oh my  :(
My apologies, but you have no authority to order me to stop being nice to you, I shall always like you even if I have upset you so much over Strategus. I am just sorry to see you in such a state and be yet another leader claimed by the byzantine politics that Strategus is infamous for.I would have it no other way.Actually the servers know me full well for never being a coward in the actual battle/siege. I've regularly and gleefully met my death many times, even if I've had nothing but a +3 Elders Stick to defend myself with. If it really would make you feel better by murdering me (because I am absolutely terrible at this game, so it really should not take all that much effort from you) then I would be more then happy to join the Duel Server when we are both free and have you kill me as much as you would like... Well, within reason, I'll likely get bored after you kill me for the 100th time. We can even record it and post it to the entire forums if you wish, to prove that you can defeat someone of my... ah... Caliber.
I may be terrible, but I am not a coward. So please, my good and distressed TugBoat, would you like to meet me on the duel server, say... Wed night, about 2100 Eastern time? Just tell me what character you would like me to bring, a shielder, cav, polearm, etc.Well to be perfectly blunt you are a fool of a took  :wink:  Even when we, the Fallen, were perfectly civil you were always rather rude to us in TeamSpeak, so no love lost there good sir. Additionally, who exactly did you message? I have kept literally ever single message ever sent to me, and every single message I've ever sent on these oh-so-lulzy forums, and I dare say I don't have a single message from you... So if you want to contact us... Don't message random people? Every single Hospitaller that has PMed me on the forums I have responded to, though my favorite is Valdian, he was always super easy to talk to and always approached us properly.Erm, Honor Duel? First off you are tragically mistaken if you think any Fallen is going to issue an honor duel to anyone other then another Fallen, apparently we need to emphasize our reputation more often and much more strongly, maybe this war is a really good thing after all if people now think of us as those to ask for duels... =\ Secondly a few of our members unfortunately think you have indeed wronged them.I completely agree, Swiss has never done us any wrong.Yes you do! It will be just like the good-old days again <3Well, again, I've never been known to be a coward in battle, last night the FCC can personally attest to how many times I thrown myself carelessly into danger to protect them (And amusingly 80% of my deaths were from my internet DCing me  :lol: ), so again, see above if you really do wish to kill me.
Also, I'm insulted that you know us so poorly as to think I am EU. So many stereotypes, tsk tsk, is it any wonder a few Fallen are itching for war?  :wink: The more I read your expectations of us, the more I'm glad we initiated this war... Apparently The Fallen Brigade have done an absolutely piss-poor job as of late properly roleplaying... All EU? All Duelists? All Honorable? Gah... Your accusations make me sick... I want to throw up =S


I should have known that an alliance with knights would be a bad thing, those silly notions of Honor is what gets good men killed on the battlefield...


[[OOC: I do hope that you are RPing merrily as a disgruntled ruler and are not actually this upset over things =\ <3 best of wishes to you and your clan, Fallen always did love seeing you guys when you first hit the servers, great teamwork clan! My favorite color is also royal purple!
 While Honesty and Honor are great and marvelous things in real life, seeing as this is a wargame on the internet about silly horses I would rather have fun, sorry for ruining your game good chap, here is wishing that you'd fight another Knight clan! Perhaps if you had fought Hospitaller instead of allied with them, then you could have an honourable war... But allying with all of those honorable gents will obviously leave nothing but dishonorable or 'practical' foes left =\
In another online game I roleplay a silly honorable gent, but this silly online game I do anything but that, and I do hope you take our c-RPG theme a bit more seriously in mind next time and Strategus as a whole less seriously.]]


EDIT: Really now, of course our leadership will think we are in the right and you in the wrong, and your leadership will think that you are in the right and us in the wrong, I would be surprised if it was any other way.

I didn't read anything of what you said, and I can already tell you what it said.

Bla bla bla Fallen is evil what do you expect.

Bla bla bla KUTT are big bullies, don't listen to them we are attacking them because they were bullying us not because I'm a big fat coward who is going to take advantage of them while they're in a war.


Seriously you make me sick Tears and I hope I never have to talk to you when this is all over and done with. We traded with you and opened our borders to you, and more than paid you off for anything you lost.. and if you were still unhappy you could have come and talk to me and I would have made it right but instead you declare war because you see an opportunity for a city. Well good luck. You made yourself look like a complete jack ass to everyone. I hate agreeing with Smoothrich on anything even make it a point to disagree with him when I secretly don't disagree, but I agree with what he said about you.

They didn't want you help. They didn't need your help. No one asked for your help. You are just being opportunistic and a lot of people lost respect for you and Fallen over this, especially me and the KUTT guys. We liked Fallen and the coalition a lot. We worked with Kingrimm a lot and play with Adalwulf all the time. You were always free to trade in Reyvadin without any restrictions, but instead you stab us in the back when we needed you most. You are a pathetic person and you better hope BOAT clan doesn't build back up because if we do I'm tugging your corpse straight to hell.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Tears of Destiny on October 29, 2012, 08:25:03 am
Ah, so you are declining my offer of an honorable duel, very well then coward!


Duel retracted!
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Warcat on October 29, 2012, 08:33:03 am
I didn't read anything of what you said, and I can already tell you what it said.

Bla bla bla Fallen is evil what do you expect.

Bla bla bla KUTT are big bullies, don't listen to them we are attacking them because they were bullying us not because I'm a big fat coward who is going to take advantage of them while they're in a war.
pretty bad translation actually

You are a pathetic person and you better hope BOAT clan doesn't build back up because if we do I'm tugging your corpse straight to hell.

Either you're epic at RP or you're REALLY serious about this game, not really sure anymore.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: TugBoat on October 29, 2012, 08:34:29 am
You all keep talking about RP and I have no idea what this RP is that you speak of. BOAT clan does not involve itself in RP or whatever this nonsense is.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Warcat on October 29, 2012, 08:37:16 am
Ah, so you are declining my offer of an honorable duel, very well then coward!


Duel retracted!
Don't retract it, If he won't duel you, I'll duel you in his stead! You'll pay for your treacherous ways you bastard!
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: TugBoat on October 29, 2012, 08:39:17 am
Don't retract it, If he won't duel you, I'll duel you in his stead! You'll pay for your treacherous ways you bastard!

I didn't realize he offered a duel since I don't recognize his existence anymore. If he offered a duel time I shall be there.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Warcat on October 29, 2012, 08:42:16 am
I don't recognize his existence anymore.

You've done what many fail to do but wish they could. Since he posts in every thread in the forums, many people accidentally read posts by Tears before they even realize it's from him.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Tears of Destiny on October 29, 2012, 08:43:34 am
I didn't realize he offered a duel since I don't recognize his existence anymore. If he offered a duel time I shall be there.


That good sir is a contradiction, for in order for us to even have a duel you must recognize my existence. So... Do you recognize my existence and will arrive at the proper time, or will you not recognize my existence and thus not arrive at the arranged time?
Don't retract it, If he won't duel you, I'll duel you in his stead! You'll pay for your treacherous ways you bastard!
It is on! I say a ten pace walk away from each other, an about-face, and 3 throwing lances and a stick!
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: TugBoat on October 29, 2012, 08:44:17 am
You've done what many fail to do but wish they could. Since he posts in every thread in the forums, many people accidentally read posts by Tears before they even realize it's from him.

Realize it's from who?
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Warcat on October 29, 2012, 08:45:22 am
Ah, good one!
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Tears of Destiny on October 29, 2012, 08:45:55 am
In minusing that one post of calling you a coward, you did indeed recognize my existence...


I feel I have driven the poor knight literally mad!
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Warcat on October 29, 2012, 08:47:45 am
So if he unminuses it, he's performing an action that would recognize your existence. I knew no one could do it!
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Tears of Destiny on October 29, 2012, 08:48:34 am
So if he unminuses it, he's performing an action that would recognize your existence. I knew no one could do it!


I have outwitted the poor lad!
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Warcat on October 29, 2012, 08:50:12 am
It is on! I say a ten pace walk away from each other, an about-face, and 3 throwing lances and a stick!
No, you must truly suffer for your crimes, sword and shield only allowed. Are you ready to do it now?
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Tears of Destiny on October 29, 2012, 08:53:01 am
No, you must truly suffer for your crimes, sword and shield only allowed. Are you ready to do it now?
Indeed! Sword and shield only! Alas, I must wait until later at the aforementioned time though as I am doing strange mathematics at the moment.
We should record it for posterity.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Warcat on October 29, 2012, 08:58:09 am
Didn't catch the aformentioned time, but you are right that we should record it. For it will be very long and painful.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: TugBoat on October 29, 2012, 09:08:56 am
Didn't catch the aformentioned time, but you are right that we should record it. For it will be very long and painful.

Why are you talking to yourself? Driven mad by the guilt of betraying BOAT clan ?
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Warcat on October 29, 2012, 09:10:36 am
We're all mad in our own special way. Sorry about the multiposting.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Muki on October 29, 2012, 09:14:37 am
7 pages already lets get it to 13 :D


Through the chats in here are pretty good
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Tears of Destiny on October 29, 2012, 09:20:53 am
Let it be known that the cowardly Tugboat had to use the plea of insanity to avoid my call for a duel and to avoid me calling his bluff! Luckily Warcat shall be a most excellent second! ^^
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Warcat on October 29, 2012, 10:38:19 am
7 pages already lets get it to 13 :D


Through the chats in here are pretty good
More posting!
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Gristle on October 29, 2012, 12:31:47 pm
Of 40 KUTT members, 8 of us were active.

Myself
Tugboat
KillerofFlowers
Dutchy
Adrian
RJ
DooM


Hell, I can't really think of an 8th. Everyone else dilly-dallied for a long time. So while we look big, the reason you guys are seeing such largely undefended fiefs is us not having people to run the gear in timely manners. Our 3 active traders, all have been attacked. We just spread ourselves too thin, and didn't have people serious in Strategus enough to really make a difference despite our large appearance.

Despite numerous meetings and calling people out on not helping in Strategus, most people did nothing. People have/had fiefs that didn't deserve them, and made little effort to see them garrisoned appropriately. Just refer to my RP post, pretty much just highlights my displeasure with our ability to put together a good strat campaign. We deserved to be wiped, can't run a machine with only 20% of the parts it needs to make it functional, and unfortunately that's what our campaign has been.

Aha. This is, honestly, music to my ears. How familiar this all sounds. Most of your faction just can't seem to be interested in strategus? 40+ members and no one around when you really need them? While the situation is not exactly the same, you may now gain a slightly better understanding of FCC during Strategus 3. How many times have you brought that up? How many times have you mentioned our past disinterest in strategus? Now you can't even get your own clan to care? At least we all agreed, as a faction, to stop, and it was in fact a lack of war that bored us out of strategus 3 and into other games. Would you like to continue calling FCC quitters, or is it KUTT who has now quit?

Well, I promise to never bring it up again if you manage to recover, but for now there's hell to pay. Admitting to being a paper tiger is a sure invitation to the vultures, and they are coming. Tell me, how many fiefs do you think a clan with only 8 active members deserves? i guess we'll find out.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: IR_Kuoin on October 29, 2012, 01:04:20 pm
Siege is so hard these days

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Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Nightingale on October 29, 2012, 01:56:06 pm
Forgot Desire, one of your most active traders who also deserved a fief.

Can I have New Sargoth  :twisted:

Your village with the best name is  Kwynn.
Our village with the best name is Karindi.

Just my opinion! but I still want Sargoth!
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Tanken on October 29, 2012, 02:16:27 pm
Aha. This is, honestly, music to my ears. How familiar this all sounds. Most of your faction just can't seem to be interested in strategus? 40+ members and no one around when you really need them? While the situation is not exactly the same, you may now gain a slightly better understanding of FCC during Strategus 3. How many times have you brought that up? How many times have you mentioned our past disinterest in strategus? Now you can't even get your own clan to care? At least we all agreed, as a faction, to stop, and it was in fact a lack of war that bored us out of strategus 3 and into other games. Would you like to continue calling FCC quitters, or is it KUTT who has now quit?

Well, I promise to never bring it up again if you manage to recover, but for now there's hell to pay. Admitting to being a paper tiger is a sure invitation to the vultures, and they are coming. Tell me, how many fiefs do you think a clan with only 8 active members deserves? i guess we'll find out.

When I went to bed I realized I had forgot a few names such as Wolfgang, Desirable, and Slim. I've only mentioned the quit twice, and it was directed at Kesh if I remember right. It's been this way since the beginning of strategus. And never did I say we were oh so powerful, we didn't go declaring war, and I think that makes sense now that I've pretty much come clean as to why we are sucking atm.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Gristle on October 29, 2012, 02:32:53 pm
That's two too many for someone that wasn't even involved! If you say something about FCC's activities as a whole, it's directed at each member of FCC. It's not like Kesh is the only member that stopped playing during that time. I wasn't joking when I said that particular issue was the one and only point I took offense to, and I'll make sure the offense is paid in blood! All I ask is that you have a good showing at the battles worth fighting for in the coming days.

(don't be so defeatist, man. We gotta get more pages outa this)
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Rikthor on October 29, 2012, 03:24:44 pm
That's two too many for someone that wasn't even involved! If you say something about FCC's activities as a whole, it's directed at each member of FCC. It's not like Kesh is the only member that stopped playing during that time. I wasn't joking when I said that particular issue was the one and only point I took offense to, and I'll make sure the offense is paid in blood! All I ask is that you have a good showing at the battles worth fighting for in the coming days.

(don't be so defeatist, man. We gotta get more pages outa this)

Man we lost so many goons, myself included at the beginning of strat 3 it wasn't even funny thanks to Strategus 3: chadzonomics and the Crafting Simulation Game
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Turboflex on October 29, 2012, 03:48:46 pm
No idea what Hospitaller was thinking in allying KUTT, such a trainwreck playing out here.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Tanken on October 29, 2012, 04:02:08 pm
No idea what Hospitaller was thinking in allying KUTT, such a trainwreck playing out here.

Turbo, please, let us not remind the forums here how your clan got shutout 15-0 in a 3 map, first to 5 each map scrim against us in your server, with your rules against KUTT. Oh wait, guess we just did.

You guys only went to war with Hospitallers because they wouldn't ally with you guys against us, and with such a weak showing in last strategus, it's no wonder they chose differently.



I was involved in Strat 3 Gristle, at the time I was in LL which were apart of Hospitaller and am basing what I say almost entirely 3rd party off of what others say. So, I may be misinformed, but this is the way it was always presented to me, and until recently that was the first time any of you stood up and said differently about it and since then I have stopped. Up until then, I was only taught it was a GTX, so forgive my ignorance to your side of the story.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: TugBoat on October 29, 2012, 04:20:50 pm
I still disagree with tanken about the "Paper Tiger". I think the lack of preparedness in the villages was mostly due to bad luck in trades because of the new S&D system.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Tanken on October 29, 2012, 04:31:18 pm
I think one of the largest things that hurt us this Strategus was how much influence was put early on on having many fiefs--and that was something that due to S&D mechanics seemed very relevant and something very pertinent to do. We capitalized how we could, and had we been left unattended perhaps 2-3 more weeks, then yes, each of those fiefs would be fully-fortified and armies would be amassing, so it's probably a good move by FCC (and now Fallen, fuck those guys) that they are making a move on us instead of a month from now because it would be a different story.

Back to my point however, the mentality (and partially was me and Tugboat's fault) was to gather gather gather instead of gain. We also made the mistake of putting people as heads of fiefs that just had no business doing so. But ultimately, to put in easy terms; We bit off more than we could chew. At least early on. Had we kept these fiefs uncontested longer, then it definitely would have been easier to sustain ourselves. Its why we started taking on Vassals so they could run fiefs we couldn't even manage to find members to run.

In hindsight, yes, I would have stuck with our original claims. We ourselves were guilty of greed, but it came at a time when most things could be solved with words and not weapon, and while it sounded good at the time, and looked great to see ourselves own so many fiefs--I knew in my heart it was a mistake, but was too caught up in false-success to say so.



Perhaps if we are not wiped, then what few fiefs we have will give us a fresh start to begin again. Though far behind other clans, we may be able to do at least something to keep the small portion of us interested around.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: TugBoat on October 29, 2012, 04:33:43 pm
Wasn't my fault! I'm not the boss!
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Turboflex on October 29, 2012, 04:34:45 pm
Turbo, please, let us not remind the forums here how your clan got shutout 15-0 in a 3 map, first to 5 each map scrim against us in your server, with your rules against KUTT. Oh wait, guess we just did.

You guys only went to war with Hospitallers because they wouldn't ally with you guys against us, and with such a weak showing in last strategus, it's no wonder they chose differently.

lol you aren't doing so hot in strat when you can't just crutch stacking 55-70 armor vs people under 45, and have to use some brainpower instead.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Tanken on October 29, 2012, 04:39:08 pm
Turbo, once again, please.

We played by the same rules, the same armor requirements, the same weapon requirements, and the same amount of players as you. You guys just got outplayed and dunked on. It's a fairly simple concept, don't attempt to twist it in any way that favors you because it will only give me a fit of giggles.


Sure, not doing to hot in Strategus, we did fairly well last time around and yeah it's a shame we're not getting there this time. But let me remind you, we did an honorable thing of lending a hand to a clan that was otherwise (and is continuing to) being dog piled on. Before we allied with Hospitallers, there was talks from many people about "Hey, let's just gang up and go beat on Hospitaller." Even I made propaganda for it to happen, so I can't say I wasn't partially guilty. But I realized that I would rather help someone largely outnumbered and go down with honor, than be like everyone else and pat my own back at the end of the day because no one else will for me.

I would rather take a harsh beating in Strategus, than lose my honor because I chose to be just like the rest of you.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Gristle on October 29, 2012, 04:46:42 pm
I was involved in Strat 3 Gristle, at the time I was in LL which were apart of Hospitaller and am basing what I say almost entirely 3rd party off of what others say. So, I may be misinformed, but this is the way it was always presented to me, and until recently that was the first time any of you stood up and said differently about it and since then I have stopped. Up until then, I was only taught it was a GTX, so forgive my ignorance to your side of the story.

Hosp would call it a GTX because our factions were even more outspoken against each other back then than they are now. I have personally tried to say the truth every time it was brought up. About half of NA was bored with strategus during 3.0. Hosp were part of the other half. We didn't lose any big battle or anything like that. We just got bored of tradegus and played other games (TOR specifically had just come out). Sold our fiefs and everything. Anything else you heard was propaganda.Why do you think Hosp is getting so much hate now? Have you really believed everything they've ever told you? Look at all of the "promises" they've made to other clans in poor attempts to prevent battles and wars (which has finally come back to them). The FCC has been trying to battle their propaganda machine for a long time. I can't be any more honest than than that.

Just because you call yourself a good guy doesn't make it true, and Hospitallers have never been good guys as far as I've seen it, nor has anyone allied with them so far. More than anything else, I guarantee that's why FCC's against you. You'd have been better off staying a neutral faction.

I am not a good or bad guy. I just try to war against lies and bullshit.

Man we lost so many goons, myself included at the beginning of strat 3 it wasn't even funny thanks to Strategus 3: chadzonomics and the Crafting Simulation Game

I know, man. We never really recovered from chadz' advanced gameplay.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Smoothrich on October 29, 2012, 04:49:09 pm
this war is looking pretty dire grim and stupid at this point but dont worry there's still one thing left in the deck..

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Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Tanken on October 29, 2012, 04:52:55 pm
I hear ya Gristle, and I know you may not have been around to know this, but KUTT was actually against Hospitaller during last season's Green vs. Red (HOLIDAY!!) war. We sided with Chaos and LLJK and a few other factions to fight against Hospitaller and during that time Hospitaller never did anything directly to give us reason to ultimately hate them with the exception to a few of their members just being cumsnorters and ballsquires.

This Strategus we were excited for your return and initially wanted, if not an alliance, at least a beneficial friendship with you guys but our dreams were pissed on with the Ismirala Castle deal and some of your less-mature members (we all have them) left a poor taste in our mouth about the entire deal. Now of course, we're getting a whole different taste in our mouth and it's no more refreshing.

Do I kick myself sometimes for being switch-footed on Diplomacy early on? Sure I do. I don't think you can be a good leader if you don't take time to question yourself.

However, this interrogation of myself is coming a little too late to do something major, it's either going to take a miracle, a reset, or some serious ass munching to get us out of this predicament because I hate to say it--these battles of grandeur and triumph are not going to be so great as you may expect them to be. And to a clan of members who just want to fight, and I would hope in saying so, you want a good fight, you're knocking on the wrong doors.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: TugBoat on October 29, 2012, 04:54:39 pm
lol you aren't doing so hot in strat when you can't just crutch stacking 55-70 armor vs people under 45, and have to use some brainpower instead.

Most of us were wearing lamellar. If you'd prefer a rematch with an armor limit, or no armor at all, the result will be the same, if not worse, for you guys.



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Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Turboflex on October 29, 2012, 04:57:44 pm
heh w/e, believe what you want if it keeps you happy. We didn't realize an informal scrim where we had low level just-retired guys was so serious. If you're so hot maybe some day we'll see you on battle server.

All the righteous honour talk is pretty funny too, we supposed to forget how many small independent clans you wiped out or absorbed at the beginning of this strat? The  we're saving innocent Hospitallers talk is rich too, they had the highest fief:member count on NA amongst major clans and made a mistake by overreaching to conquer even more in the desert and exposed themselves bigtime. A lot of miscalculations went on here that put you into this tight spot, but please don't insult people by pretending you are some kind of freedom fighter against oppressors.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Keshian on October 29, 2012, 04:58:02 pm
Turbo, once again, please.

We played by the same rules, the same armor requirements, the same weapon requirements, and the same amount of players as you. You guys just got outplayed and dunked on. It's a fairly simple concept, don't attempt to twist it in any way that favors you because it will only give me a fit of giggles.


Sure, not doing to hot in Strategus, we did fairly well last time around and yeah it's a shame we're not getting there this time. But let me remind you, we did an honorable thing of lending a hand to a clan that was otherwise (and is continuing to) being dog piled on. Before we allied with Hospitallers, there was talks from many people about "Hey, let's just gang up and go beat on Hospitaller." Even I made propaganda for it to happen, so I can't say I wasn't partially guilty. But I realized that I would rather help someone largely outnumbered and go down with honor, than be like everyone else and pat my own back at the end of the day because no one else will for me.

I would rather take a harsh beating in Strategus, than lose my honor because I chose to be just like the rest of you.

Wow, just wow.  You were the first person to suggest attacking hospitallers and doing your absolute best to convince us to join you in your war on them, threatening to join them otherwise and likely attack us if we didnt ally with you against hospitallers who you hated so much.  Now you are building yourself up as some tragic hero Tanken - it ill suits you.  You didn't do anything substantial to help Hospitallers, just merced fro them, while stockpiling troops in your fiefs and turtling up and trying to convince everyone you were not at war with the clans Hospitallers were at war with while promising troops and aid that was never actually sent.

Just like the rest of you.  lol.  The main reason we didn't ally is because we didnt want to form a mega alliance like you did with hospitallers - all these people attacking you and hospitallers are doing it on their own because of failed diplomacy or opportunity not from any active alliances (exception NH and VE allies)  The second reason we didnt ally is everyone was convinced you could not be trusted with the two-faced diplomacy where you told us how much you wanted to attack hospitallers and how we should ally and then we find out you were telling hospitallers at same time how much you wanted to fight us and how hospitallers should ally with you. 

That is FAIL diplomacy.  You were one of the worst diplomats we have ever dealt with (about as bad as Auphilia) and a good reason why dictatorial leaders should not also be their own diplomats.  We actually got along well with Tugboat and then you mangled that by shoving him out of the way in your obsessive need for control and dominating your clan.

P.S.  Also, you have almsot 5000 troops just in your fiefs alone.  You giving up is worse then when the Northern Empire crumbled.  So what you can't have your plate armor, just buy a bunch of gambesons like most of our armies are equipped with, some basic weapons and you are good to go to take out at least 3000 of us.  Giving up just because you can't equip them all with elite gear is silly.  Just looking at the gold in your fiefs you could equip all those troops and even the population with rudimentary gear and do at least a 1:2
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on October 29, 2012, 05:00:36 pm
From a strictly strategic point of view, any objective observer who knew what factions were at war, would see Reyvadin as a ripe juicy plum waiting to be picked...makes sense that Fallen would try to take it.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Tanken on October 29, 2012, 05:07:57 pm
Wow, just wow.  You were the first person to suggest attacking hospitallers and doing your absolute best to convince us to join you in your war on them, threatening to join them otherwise and likely attack us if we didnt ally with you against hospitallers who you hated so much.

Once again, your misinterpretation of my leadership and challenge towards it shows your clear insolence Kesh. I never threatened you with joining Hospitallers, I plainly stated without harshness behind it, "Look, we are either going to ally with Hospitallers, or ally with you guys. And I would prefer to ally with you." I'm not going to sit here and pretend that I'm playing some great individual, both sides would have their benefits and downsides. With Hospitallers, you inherit their enemies, you are now front-to-back with any bullet headed to them, and you're cuffed to the member who's mouth says the most. However, with that, you preserve honor with the fact that they are vastly outnumbered now, and gradually getting outdone (perhaps).

Now if we were to have sided with you (which I'm not going to sugarcoat, I would have much rather done back then), we would have a lot of great mercs, good standings, possibly some good simple-to-run trade routes, and learned a thing or two about throwing Diplomacy out the window and attacking instead. However, the downside would be, we'd be just like everyone else. We'd still be dogpiling Hospitaller, and we'd be getting a small slice of the glory cake after it was all over and when it was, we'd all hold hands until Strat 5 started and sing kumbaya and braid our beards.



You can make me out to be however you want Kesh, I know you don't like me because I call you like I see you. You can say I'm a bad diplomat, I can't argue that, it's an opinion. Early on your relations with Tugboat stemmed from the fact I sent him in my stead because I worked, or else you would have always, in every confrontation worked with myself or at least with both of us. Two-faced Diplomacy was something I didn't practice early on, I was always very straight forward and courteous when addressing you ten or so leaders, and I always laid out my cards for you to see. I made it clear what our intentions would be, and while it involved Ismirala Castle's ownership primarily, no card was left unturned as to what we wished to happen.

Also, in response to your edit, I don't think I've ever said we're giving up. Fairly certain I've said we'll go down fighting. Fallen reneged on one of the most saving factors and betrayed word they had already given, so our ultimate chance of driving you back home was thwarted. We'll muster what we can. But don't expect much.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 29, 2012, 05:09:39 pm
From a strictly strategic point of view, any objective observer who knew what factions were at war, would see Reyvadin as a ripe juicy plum waiting to be picked...makes sense that Fallen would try to take it.

Considering that FCC took the north of it, and I was paid to take it's Western border it left Reyvadin blockaded.  This war isn't fun anymore :( Not enough people wanna hire me wah wah wah!

also nothing against FCC, VE etc, but NA has...well Turned into EU with these wars. It's good for buisness, good for xp, not so good for the "carebear" block.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Tanken on October 29, 2012, 05:16:53 pm
heh w/e, believe what you want if it keeps you happy. We didn't realize an informal scrim where we had low level just-retired guys was so serious. If you're so hot maybe some day we'll see you on battle server.

You guys knew this was a real scrim, and had a week to prepare for it. If you want a rematch, like Tugboat said, we'll all drop the armor and go do it again. If what you say is true, and you all did retire--then you're retarded for doing so. Of course this scrim was real. Our matches with Remnant (though very short notice and impromptu) were always real, and each member remembered fiercely whether we won or lost.

I am glad to have been apart of the clan that stamped 15-0 in each of your members that were there that day's heart. Let's them know where they sit. So how about it, do it again?
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Turboflex on October 29, 2012, 05:26:14 pm
We're not really interested in scrimming such poor sports.

We have had much more enjoyable scrims against clans like Remnant, more interesting opponents who used tactics and not just armor/str bulldoze. Doubt we'd ever get this kind of emo baggage after either, you are worse behaved than even the ATS guys who hate Diggles.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Tanken on October 29, 2012, 05:30:45 pm
We're not really interested in scrimming such poor sports.

We have had much more enjoyable scrims against clans like Remnant, more interesting opponents who used tactics and not just armor/str bulldoze. Doubt we'd ever get this kind of emo baggage after either, you are worse behaved than even the ATS guys who hate Diggles.


All I hear is you attempting to find reasons to not get stomped again Turbo. Keep pretending like it wasn't your idea for the scrim, and you guys didn't set it up or coordinate it. You guys came to me asking for it, we delivered, and we were very good sports about it afterward. This is the first time you've ever heard it mentioned on the forums, I am sure.

We know who the better clan is when it comes between the two of our clans. That doesn't take much to figure out. But make sure you know in your heart where you stand, much further below us. The offer will always be open, whenever you want to redeem yourselves in a scrimmage, go for it. We'll be waiting.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Smiling Daemon on October 29, 2012, 05:31:40 pm
"... dictatorial leaders should not also be their own diplomats."

I like that quote a lot.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Turboflex on October 29, 2012, 05:35:40 pm
We know who the better clan is when it comes between the two of our clans. That doesn't take much to figure out. But make sure you know in your heart where you stand, much further below us. The offer will always be open, whenever you want to redeem yourselves in a scrimmage, go for it. We'll be waiting.

Too funny, try making that claim sometime when a) you are not being wiped out in strat and b) when you step off your training wheels siege server for a few days.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Tanken on October 29, 2012, 05:39:53 pm
Too funny, try making that claim sometime when a) you are not being wiped out in strat and b) when you step off your training wheels siege server for a few days.

I can make that claim all day, this is no way to talk to your superiors Turbo.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: TugBoat on October 29, 2012, 05:44:50 pm
Turbo we were fine sports until you started talking shit.

Don't start no problem won't be no problem.

Also I had the most kills on KUTT side against you guys with lamellar and 24/15 build.

Siege also isn't training wheel server. We been battling MB and FFC a lot and big groups of HoC. We prefer objective based fun.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Casimir on October 29, 2012, 05:49:15 pm
I will purge all of you.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Tears of Destiny on October 29, 2012, 05:55:04 pm
I like your quote Casimir, Gnjus is a wise man.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Hobb on October 29, 2012, 06:35:03 pm
You cant tell me kutt you are better off today Then you were four years ago then you would be if you hadent of allied with hospi. In fact from my perspective you would have a completly different set of circumstances if you just would have let things play out.

Also its funny you troll NH because they really are the reason you are getting fucked right now. Without their willingness to take hospitaller land (no doubt enhanced by your alliance with them) chances are we wouldnt be at with them, and certainly we wouldnt be in the steppes. Would fcc be fighting you right now if you were neutral? Ehhh probally. Whos side would the VE be on if we were neutral?

I told tanken on multiple occasions that we wanted the wars between clans we respected to be fair, and we would choose sides to keep that in effect.

Now i LOOOOVVVVVEEEE kesh, bale, huey, matey and most of fcc so its unlikely we would attack them unless most are mems wanted too, but let me tell you, if we were neutral and fallen pulled this shit on you to get some free land we would be marching to wipe them today. They do this every strat and it is the single most vaginus act you can do.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: ednos on October 29, 2012, 06:51:00 pm
(about as bad as Auphilia)

That's probably inaccurate. Different inputs, different outputs, different drama. There's a big difference between a reactionary GTX and a defeatist shrug, and I posit that the former precludes diplomacy, while the second is just a form of diplomacy that you don't like.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Garem on October 29, 2012, 07:03:50 pm
let me tell you, if we were neutral and fallen pulled this shit on you to get some free land we would be marching to wipe them today. They do this every strat and it is the single most vaginus act you can do.

Huh? The only time anything remotely like this happened (and I think it's a mischaracterization of our current NA faction) was when TKOV was with us wiping the Northern Empire.

As a note, NA Fallen is distinct from the full Fallen. We're members of an ancient entity, and share that history proudly. As a recap, in reverse chronological order...

I distinctly recall Fallen fighting Hospis, Occitan, Templars, Wolves, and the UIF and getting trounced by getting attacked on all sides. After being wiped we rallied troops and armies and took Sargoth area as the UIF moved south against the Templars/Hospis and the rest of NA after that. We didn't do much else because Strat was slowly dying to carebearism. Towards the end we were trying to help Templars and Hospis build up a UIF resistance force. It never amounted to much, but it was an unusual shift in diplomacy given the historical combat between these factions. That was Strat 3.

Strat 2 was a late game build up powerbloc against the UIF that never seemed to function right. We had some great battles alongside a fledgling TKOV and our new FCC friends where, much due to Loki's trickery, we easily took out the Northern Empire of TS, ATS, and Hospitallers culminating in an epic final battle at Yruma Castle against the Hospis.

Strat 1 was the start of counter-UIF, when we were vastly outnumbered and outgunned. I barely saw this, but apparently it was great fun.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Rikthor on October 29, 2012, 07:10:18 pm
Strat 2 was a late game build up powerbloc against the UIF that never seemed to function right. We had some great battles alongside a fledgling TKOV and our new FCC friends where, much due to Loki's trickery, we easily took out the Northern Empire of TS, ATS, and Hospitallers culminating in an epic final battle at Yruma Castle against the Hospis.

Yes, your trickery is what caused Ecko to be a sperg who kept almost all of the NE gold on him. Yup all of Fallen's trickery caused the NE collapse.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Hobb on October 29, 2012, 07:18:54 pm
You mean like how in strat 2 you came in and took ts and hospi fiefs that were completly defenseless? The Northern Empire had all there gear in 1 castle which was taken by fcc right away. The rest was easy pickins.

Now s3 was more directly affecting us, more than you probally think. After you got your ass kicked do you remember where you moved????? Thats right, fearichan. Our fearichan. Hospi wouldnt trade with us because of you, chaos was planning to attack us out of boredom, and fcc rage quit. This forced us to trade with lljk as our only option, which basically forced us to do watever lljk wanted i.e green vs red.

So naturally after giving you a home and taking the shit from others clans the fallen brigade would be our friends right??? Nope they jumped on the hospi/templol bandwagon to come wipe us out. Best part is when the going got tough (alburg castle massacre) you quit attacking because the free land grab was over.

I understand what you try do as RP, so you should understand how other clans think of that playstyle as well

Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: TugBoat on October 29, 2012, 07:32:34 pm
FCC doesn't like it either Hobb. I'm doing my best to negotiate a temporary nonaggression pact so we can fight Fallen. I hope FCC can come to terms with us on it. We knew FCC was planning to attack us from the beginning, so we aren't pissed at them for it... but Fallen stabbing us in the back like this in the middle of a battle where we lost multiple villages? Super lame and I'd love to shut them down.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Warcat on October 29, 2012, 07:40:00 pm
Huh? The only time anything remotely like this happened (and I think it's a mischaracterization of our current NA faction) was when TKOV was with us wiping the Northern Empire.

Not true. Back in the good ole days of strat one, Templars were getting raped from multiple directions. Being our main RP opposition at the time we were all too happy to jump in from across the map and take what we could of their overwhelmed, dying nation. Was great fun. I was particularly fond of the extremely foggy peasant rape of Saramish.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Boss_Awesome on October 29, 2012, 07:42:21 pm
Not true. Back in the good ole days of strat one, Templars were getting raped from multiple directions. Being our main RP opposition at the time we were all too happy to jump in from across the map and take what we could of their overwhelmed, dying nation. Was great fun. I was particularly fond of the extremely foggy peasant rape of Saramish.

Actually we were at war with the Templar bloc before the rise of DRZ, so technically they were the backstabbing freeloaders even if they did most of the actual work. 
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Keshian on October 29, 2012, 07:47:42 pm
Not true. Back in the good ole days of strat one, Templars were getting raped from multiple directions. Being our main RP opposition at the time we were all too happy to jump in from across the map and take what we could of their overwhelmed, dying nation. Was great fun. I was particularly fond of the extremely foggy peasant rape of Saramish.

CUrse you.  I was one of those poor, unarmed peasants throwing rocks at you through the fog!!!
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Warcat on October 29, 2012, 07:48:17 pm
Actually we were at war with the Templar bloc before the rise of DRZ, so technically they were the backstabbing freeloaders even if they did most of the actual work. 
We were permanently at war with them from our creation, but being on the other side of the map, we didn't really fight them at all while DRZ was busy owning the ninjas, it wasn't until we had a great opportunity that we struck. Prior to that we were busy building up our glorious steppe empire (particularly glorious in Zagush).
CUrse you.  I was one of those poor, unarmed peasants throwing rocks at you through the fog!!!
Hahaha, never remembered that! Only remembered Rorky of Rose being one of them for all of these great pics.
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Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: miggy on October 29, 2012, 07:49:10 pm
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Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 29, 2012, 07:52:01 pm
NA mercs?

Is that me!?!!?!?! :shock:
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: IR_Kuoin on October 29, 2012, 08:05:20 pm
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At least Fallen got the good juice :mrgreen:
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Tears of Destiny on October 29, 2012, 08:13:44 pm
Words about not being happy with Fallen behavior
I'm now half tempted to dig through my forum messages and find that oh-so-charming PM sent to me that shows TKoV is hardly a shining example. Relations between TKoV and Fallen took a nosedive the day I was sent a PM from TKoV instructing me to inform Loki (Then the Captain of the Brigade) that TKoV would no longer house us and protect us (Despite claims that we are all in this together yadda yadda yadda and you look after your friends) as they were nervous about approaching hostile factions and felt that TKoV might be attacked if they continued to shelter Fallen. No wonder Loki scoffed and ignored that and told me "fuck 'em, we're staying and they can remove us themselves" :rolleyes:


So yes, continue to berate us on our actions in strat like you yourself never abandoned friends. How many TKoV knew that we were sent that charming message? Few Fallen have certainly forgotten that as we made sure to post that charming tidbit in our forum for all to see how TKoV was worth when the going got tough. Asking us to leave only because you were afraid of being attacked despite earlier claims of having our backs and sheltering us is a pretty shitty move yourself.


Shocking, really, why relations between us quickly went south after that and we were so slow to trust you afterwards. Yes indeed you have our back during a calm but not if a distant storm threatens to approach.  :rolleyes:  How... Noble of you...


So please, do continue to preach from your glorious pedestal, because from the Fallen perspective TKoV will abandon friends if a larger bully comes along as history and the words of your leaders have proven. Pot calling the Kettle black.


Cute.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Matey on October 29, 2012, 08:38:27 pm
Damn. I give up. I can't keep up with this thread, too many big long posts and too much drama. I just can't keep up. You guys all win (or lose).
Matey confusedly exits the thread
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Visconti on October 29, 2012, 08:42:37 pm
I'm now half tempted to dig through my forum messages and find that oh-so-charming PM sent to me that shows TKoV is hardly a shining example. Relations between TKoV and Fallen took a nosedive the day I was sent a PM from TKoV instructing me to inform Loki (Then the Captain of the Brigade) that TKoV would no longer house us and protect us (Despite claims that we are all in this together yadda yadda yadda and you look after your friends) as they were nervous about approaching hostile factions and felt that TKoV might be attacked if they continued to shelter Fallen. No wonder Loki scoffed and ignored that and told me "fuck 'em, we're staying and they can remove us themselves" :rolleyes:


So yes, continue to berate us on our actions in strat like you yourself never abandoned friends. How many TKoV knew that we were sent that charming message? Few Fallen have certainly forgotten that as we made sure to post that charming tidbit in our forum for all to see how TKoV was worth when the going got tough. Asking us to leave only because you were afraid of being attacked despite earlier claims of having our backs and sheltering us is a pretty shitty move yourself.


Shocking, really, why relations between us quickly went south after that and we were so slow to trust you afterwards. Yes indeed you have our back during a calm but not if a distant storm threatens to approach.  :rolleyes:  How... Noble of you...


So please, do continue to preach from your glorious pedestal, because from the Fallen perspective TKoV will abandon friends if a larger bully comes along as history and the words of your leaders have proven. Pot calling the Kettle black.


Cute.

We would have gladly kept sheltering you if you werent such a god awful diplomat. While we were sheltering you, you felt the need to lecture me about 3 times about how to conduct diplomacy (which is hilarious coming from you) over a few BS rumors, not to mention you pissing robert off after you told him that your guys probably wouldnt merc for us because our bows were apparently beneath the mighty fallen archers. Due to your shitty diplomacy skills we constantly felt that we were gonna be attacked by our apparent "friends" in fearichen, which resulted in us wanting you gone. The fact that LLJK wanted them out of the north as well was just a bonus. We were fine with fallen when Loki was in charge, but the moment we had to start talking to you instead shit went down hill.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Tears of Destiny on October 29, 2012, 08:48:48 pm
We would have gladly kept sheltering you if you werent such a god awful diplomat. While we were sheltering you, you felt the need to lecture me about 3 times about how to conduct diplomacy (which is hilarious coming from you) over a few BS rumors, not to mention you pissing robert off after you told him that your guys probably wouldnt merc for us because our bows were apparently beneath the mighty fallen archers. Due to your shitty diplomacy skills we constantly felt that we were gonna be attacked by our apparent "friends" in fearichen, which resulted in us wanting you gone. The fact that LLJK wanted them out of the north as well was just a bonus. We were fine with fallen when Loki was in charge, but the moment we had to start talking to you instead shit went down hill.
All this was AFTER you tried (and failed) to evict us. Nice try, your BS message was why I was starting to be so terse with you, it is a two-way street... Regardless we did tell Robert that a few of our archers would likely not merc because anything less then 4PD was beyond frustrating for most of us and that we would be more hindrence then help but we would still try and get our melee to sign up. That I do fully admit telling him. I started "lecturing you" after the fact, not before (You can thank Coy for posting numerous chatlogs between her and TKoV and a few others, which is the only reason why we brought up those "rumors" because of actual chatlogs which made those "rumors" seem pretty damn true. So either Coy was manufacturing logs or a few TKoV are to blame for starting those "rumors" firsthand, and at this point I don't care which is which)


Next story?


EDIT: And you were afraid of us attacking you? Really? We were so shattered at that point that you were afraid of a total of a combined few thousand men armed with mostly peasant gear scattered across numerous provinces with no actual source of income to do what to you, precisely? Add the fact that we were on NA lands and thus NA servers and were mostly EU with EU pings and this is laughable at best.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Visconti on October 29, 2012, 09:07:30 pm
All this was AFTER you tried (and failed) to evict us. Nice try, your BS message was why I was starting to be so terse with you, it is a two-way street... Regardless we did tell Robert that a few of our archers would likely not merc because anything less then 4PD was beyond frustrating for most of us and that we would be more hindrence then help but we would still try and get our melee to sign up. That I do fully admit telling him. I started "lecturing you" after the fact, not before (You can thank Coy for posting numerous chatlogs between her and TKoV and a few others, which is the only reason why we brought up those "rumors" because of actual chatlogs.)


Next story?

Um no, it wasnt. You were basically an ass from our first conversation to our last. From the start robert didnt want to shelter you guys, and after my first conversation with you, i was starting to agree with him. We let you guys stay for a few months, but after a few more steam chats with you, we all generally disliked fallen. You have a way of making people want to bash their head into their keyboards with your diplomacy. Its funny, because all these people were trying to tell me how fallen were such bundle of stickss, and i kept disagreeing with them. But then i actually talked to you. That changed my mind pretty quickly.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Lordark on October 29, 2012, 09:14:20 pm
My my my what twisted tales we weave... A delicious and nutritious source of NA history out in the open! Rikthor I hope you are taking plenty of notes!  :D
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: IR_Kuoin on October 29, 2012, 09:25:28 pm
Can someone make a TL;DR version of this whole thread?  :lol:
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: The_Slim on October 29, 2012, 10:25:57 pm

Most posts in here seem to be just ball busting, but some seem to have actual anger behind them.  Not good, take it easy guys.

RQing this topic.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Nightingale on October 29, 2012, 10:34:14 pm
Can someone make a TL;DR version of this whole thread?  :lol:

Sure.

Desire wants New Sargoth, Kesh doesn't response. Tanken randomly brings up scrims with NH, TKoV bringing up What fallen does in previous strats,  Garem explaining UIF build up over the history of strat. Hobb saying something witty, Warcats threating us all with his 13 shield skill and poor kittens in Revyadin.  Then Miggy posted a picture of FCC's current position on the war front. Oh and anders was curious if the "NA mercs" deer was him.

I think we can all agree the most important thing out of this whole thread is Kittens, History lessons and What desire wants which is Sargoth, just so we are clear.

Edit : Can't forget Matey, He got confused and left.  Oh I forgot the main point of the threat somewhere in that message... which is Fallen declaring war on KUTT for being evil kitten eaters.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: IR_Kuoin on October 29, 2012, 10:35:49 pm
NVM. My TL;DR request. can barely read more than 5 words in this thread  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Keshian on October 29, 2012, 10:41:54 pm
Sure.

Desire wants New Sargoth, Kesh doesn't response. Tanken randomly brings up scrims with NH, TKoV bringing up What fallen does in previous strats,  Garem explaining UIF build up over the history of strat. Hobb saying something witty, Warcats threating us all with his 13 shield skill and poor kittens in Revyadin.  Then Miggy posted a picture of FCC's current position on the war front. Oh and anders was curious if the "NA mercs" deer was him.

I think we can all agree the most important thing out of this whole thread is Kittens, History lessons and What desire wants which is Sargoth, just so we are clear.

Desire you can get a fief as long as you joining our clan is one of the conditions of the peace!!:)

P.S. We appreciate ourr active players and mention them when we say who our active players are in our clan.  Also, we want the best xbower in NA
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Nightingale on October 29, 2012, 10:48:15 pm
Desire you can get Sargoth as long as you stay in your clan is one of the conditions of the peace!!:)

P.S. We appreciate our unactive players and ignore them when we say who our unactive players are in our clan.  Also, we want the worst xbower in NA

 :shock:

Also fixed a few things for you  :wink:
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Garem on October 29, 2012, 10:49:55 pm
DarkKarma?
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Keshian on October 29, 2012, 10:59:27 pm
DarkKarma?

You ruined the moment!  Great work.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Nightingale on October 29, 2012, 11:00:40 pm
Stupid moment ruiner! Garem the one who ruins moments!
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: TurmoilTom on October 29, 2012, 11:21:53 pm
Too much hate/diplomacy and big, long posts in this thread.

Hell, I only skimmed through the damn thing.

Something about only a dozen KUTT members actually being into Strat stuff... (Probably true. To be honest I don't really give a shit. I just want big battles that are scheduled at good times for me and a fief to build igloos and snowmen in.)

I think Turbo said something about being able to beat KUTT... Something about a scrim I didn't attend... And some armor crutch stuff...

And then Matey GTX the thread because of too much words and drama. I think I'll do the same.


/me confusedly walks out of the thread
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Boss_Awesome on October 29, 2012, 11:26:02 pm
Oh I forgot the main point of the threat somewhere in that message... which is Fallen declaring war on KUTT for being evil kitten eaters.

Even if the kittens are evil, eating them is far from righteous.  Two rights don't make a might. 
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Nightingale on October 29, 2012, 11:31:01 pm
Even if the kittens are evil, eating them is far from righteous.  Two rights don't make a might.


Nuuuu, You misunderstand.

Fallen Declared on KUTT : Fallen's reason was KUTT was being evil by eating adorable little kittens.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Boss_Awesome on October 29, 2012, 11:37:50 pm

Nuuuu, You misunderstand.

Fallen Declared on KUTT : Fallen's reason was KUTT was being evil by eating adorable little kittens.

It is you, good sir, who misunderstands.  We did declare war on KUTT due to rampant kitten eating.  However, the kittens being eaten just happen to be evil, like us.  Therefore, Fallen can't stand by while evil aligned kittens are eaten when they could so easily be adopted by evil peasants, hunt evil mice, and sleep in front of evil hearths in Coalition territory.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Nightingale on October 29, 2012, 11:40:26 pm
Can they at least be adorable sinister kittens?
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Pentecost on October 29, 2012, 11:40:51 pm
KUTT: If you only had 11 active members out of a 40+ roster in this round of Strategus, then why did you not think to go out and look for some people who ARE active and competent? Why are you literally the only NA clan out of any of the ones worth mentioning that is unambiguously NOT looking for new members, as stated on the topic of your faction halls page? I do not mean to give offense, but these seem like very poor decisions on the part of your leadership. Like in real life, someone would be losing his job and hedge fund pensions for mistakes of this magnitude.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Casimir on October 29, 2012, 11:42:22 pm
I stand by my statement, prepare for Exterminatus

Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Boss_Awesome on October 29, 2012, 11:52:28 pm
Can they at least be adorable sinister kittens?

You should have thought of that before eating them, we will never know if they were truly adorable.  However, their evilness and/or sinisterness is not in doubt.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Nightingale on October 30, 2012, 12:05:06 am
You should have thought of that before eating them, we will never know if they were truly adorable.  However, their evilness and/or sinisterness is not in doubt.

Is this where I bring up UFI or The Northern Empire?
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Tears of Destiny on October 30, 2012, 12:06:32 am
Is this where I bring up UFI or The Northern Empire?
Yes please, the drama is dying down and I need a lot more -1 post farming to beat the two infamy posters ahead of me =\


Hard work being number one in everything. *Wipes sweat off brow* Well, everything that matters. If I nail this I get another promotion and then I can finally start my very own clan and have an office with a window!
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: TurmoilTom on October 30, 2012, 12:09:38 am
It appears the topic has shifted to kittens. I am now interested in this thread.

To contribute to the discussion, I only eat black kittens.

Also, please don't bring more hate/diplomacy/drama into this thread. It's the last thing the Diplomacy forum needs.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Nightingale on October 30, 2012, 12:12:01 am
Yes please, the drama is dying down and I need a lot more -1 post farming to beat the two infamy posters ahead of me =\

almost +1 but I figured id be nice.



Kitten are nice tom I am glad this whole thread has shifted so much it isn't even about fallen anymore and it really hasn't been since the 3rd page.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Boss_Awesome on October 30, 2012, 12:17:10 am
It appears the topic has shifted to kittens. I am now interested in this thread.

To contribute to the discussion, I only eat black kittens.

Also, please don't bring more hate/diplomacy/drama into this thread. It's the last thing the Diplomacy forum needs.


Even though our suspicions were already confirmed, this confirms them even more.  Only the evilest of kittens are black, and Tom eats them exclusively.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Dutchydave on October 30, 2012, 12:18:37 am
Considering I was robbed by fallen, made a deal with them which was reneged on, I think I know what side to merc for.

I know how you feel.A few days ago I was granted access through Fallen lands,the next day they declare war on KUTT who is clearly having their ass handed to them atm.Kick me out of their castle and attack me.I have the army to win this battle today and the roster to slaughter this backstabbing Fallen army.For these lies and betrayal I will be spending the rest of this strat seeking revenge
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: TurmoilTom on October 30, 2012, 12:23:07 am
I know how you feel.A few days ago I was granted access through Fallen lands,the next day they declare war on KUTT who is clearly having their ass handed to them atm.Kick me out of their castle and attack me.I have the army to win this battle today and the roster to slaughter this backstabbing Fallen army.For these lies and betrayal I will be spending the rest of this strat seeking revenge

Talking about Strategus is not allowed.

Back off-topic:


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Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Nightingale on October 30, 2012, 12:33:47 am
Talking about Strategus is not allowed.

Back off-topic:


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Tom are you color blind?


To contribute to the discussion, I only eat black kittens.

Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: TurmoilTom on October 30, 2012, 12:46:51 am
Tom are you color blind?

My posts are green. Your argument is invalid.

But seriously, that's not me. It's TugBoat. Everyone knows that he's the only one who would snort white kittens while wearing a bath robe. I may be weird and crazy, but not *that* weird and crazy.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Warcat on October 30, 2012, 01:00:49 am
Does the Coalition need further evidence to go to war? In these very pages KUTT admits that not not only do they steal kittens from Zagush, but they also eat them, AND SMOKE THEM!
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Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Tanken on October 30, 2012, 01:34:56 am
KUTT: If you only had 11 active members out of a 40+ roster in this round of Strategus, then why did you not think to go out and look for some people who ARE active and competent? Why are you literally the only NA clan out of any of the ones worth mentioning that is unambiguously NOT looking for new members, as stated on the topic of your faction halls page? I do not mean to give offense, but these seem like very poor decisions on the part of your leadership. Like in real life, someone would be losing his job and hedge fund pensions for mistakes of this magnitude.

Gotta jump back in here, thread is fading, and we've yet to make it to 13 pages.

Many people believe that we are too big in game even with the 40 members. Of those 40, 32 are very active, meaning on Sunday nights our teamspeak can get up to 25-30 KUTT members and I'm sure Siege players can tell you the rest of this story. We do not want more members, and Xeen has made it clear it will be a while before we get more members. We did manage to take on a few vassals under our faction in Strategus such as Teutonics and Swiss and a few random players with no home to go to, but as for recruiting new members we didn't do that.

I have yet to see Tears defend the "We would never reneg on any deal with KUTT" statement that you made, when you reneged almost immediately on a deal made kindly between ourselves and your clan regarding Dutchy. Where is the story in that? All it is is greed, you saw what goods he carried and broke your word to give him safe passage. Dishonorable.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 30, 2012, 02:20:27 am
So miggy, am I the NA Mercs Deer?


No one has confirmed that yet....

Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Havoco on October 30, 2012, 02:23:37 am
Miggy is muted now but I'd say ur probably included to the NA mercs.

Edit: Well, was muted...
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Warcat on October 30, 2012, 02:26:22 am
So miggy, am I the NA Mercs Deer?


No one has confirmed that yet....
Well I don't know that, but I know we've almost made it to 13 pages! And soon we shall fight for our Kittens!
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Nightingale on October 30, 2012, 02:42:49 am
Dark magic has gifted me gear!
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Muki on October 30, 2012, 03:00:51 am
Dark magic has gifted me gear!

Textures/this_is_how_children_see_gnjus_diffuse.dds

Source of Magic eh
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Gmnotutoo on October 30, 2012, 03:02:45 am
Woot! I'm here to help this page get to 13 so that the epic cycle of drama can be complete.

Much rage has been induced by this thread, let us put an end to this and begin a new thing to argue about.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Nightingale on October 30, 2012, 03:06:56 am
Textures/this_is_how_children_see_gnjus_diffuse.dds

Source of Magic eh


Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh don't tell anyone elseee they might try it!

See magic I told you page 13! Muahahahaha
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Muki on October 30, 2012, 03:15:42 am
thirteeeeeeeeeeeeen

Now it what do we do?
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Nightingale on October 30, 2012, 04:02:26 am
Lock the thread so no one ever posts again forever 13.
Title: Re: The Coalition Marches Onward
Post by: Tears of Destiny on October 30, 2012, 04:13:53 am
On grounds that Warcat is my favorite trader and Scilla is my favorite KUTT and Gmnotutoo my favorite pretty pink unicorn kitty ninja, I'm closing this thread.

Also, TugBoat is a coward (Or too fat to move from him plundering and eating all that flavored arctic ice from those poor peasants) for still refusing my duel which he was first howling for and forcing other innocently evil people (Warcat) to fight for him. :P


Also I finally forced KUTT leadership to actual read the unimportant and boring declaration of war so the purpose has finally been met.

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