So what does the asterisk after "Remnant pledges that should these armies not be utilized, the Josho Shogunate will be fairly compensated after the conflict*" mean? You don't have any small print anywhere to explain it.
You can't see the other side.
I demand, well I don't really demand, I just want to see the small print on the back. I want to know what the asterisk goes with.
Here's my guess:
* The Josho Shogunate will be fairly compensated via back rubs and foot massages after the conflict has ended. Remnants may receive back rubs in return but no promises are given at this point in time.
God damn spy...
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Yes yes, I know some of these words.
Are you guys actually going to use all samarui/ninja gear. It would be interesting to see how that goes with archers being so powerful and plentiful atm.
I am really confused? Remnant gives troops, mercenary support, and intelligence. Shogunate gets all the fiefs and Remnant gets nothing but the pleasure of doing most of the work? Doesn't seem fair. Who wrote this contract??? You need to get a better lawyer, slave labor is banned in the United States.
Shogunate's "obligations" - keep all the fiefs. Ooooh, that will be a tough one for them to do for you.
I am really confused? Remnant gives troops, mercenary support, and intelligence. Shogunate gets all the fiefs and Remnant gets nothing but the pleasure of doing most of the work? Doesn't seem fair. Who wrote this contract??? You need to get a better lawyer, slave labor is banned in the United States.
Shogunate's "obligations" - keep all the fiefs. Ooooh, that will be a tough one for them to do for you.
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No man or woman before has matched the might of the Jolly Knights. Every opponent before has collapsed in the field of battle against the green empire and their allies.
Yea, I'm a little confused whether they are allied or not...Based on PhantomZero's sig, I guess not.
So is the FCC allied with LLJK or what? Seems like we are hearing more complaints from you guys than LLJK about this war.
I am sure many of the mercs have similar reasons.
FCC is not allied with LLJK just because we laugh at your proclamation. So silly. I know I am mercing for them because:
1) They actually pay their mercs (strat 1 you guys never followed through on payments, LLJK has paid me in every strat iteration and is offering gold for these fights)
2) I am a greedy red-haired bitch
3) They seem to be short-handed on the roster and I want to be in a fight where its more balanced with mercs, balance=fun
I am sure many of the mercs have similar reasons.
FCC is not allied with LLJK just because we laugh at your proclamation. So silly. I know I am mercing for them because:
1) They actually pay their mercs (strat 1 you guys never followed through on payments, LLJK has paid me in every strat iteration and is offering gold for these fights)
2) I am a greedy red-haired bitch
3) They seem to be short-handed on the roster and I want to be in a fight where its more balanced with mercs, balance=fun
I am sure many of the mercs have similar reasons.
Josho Shogunate were not around in strat 1.
Lastly, I FUCKING DESPISE WEEABOOS!!!
You used to be known as Shogunate not Josho Shogunate and LLJK took your fiefs in Strat 1.0. You even made mention of this defeat in your post. Changing from Shogunate to Josho Shogunate and gaining/losing new members might have changed some things. But I do know LLJK always follows through on paying. Plus I like PhantomZero - there is a guy who knows how to roleplay. Lastly, I FUCKING DESPISE WEEABOOS!!!You're confusing the two Shogunate's.
You're confusing the two Shogunate's.
We are not the clan Shogunate that is nowadays called Byzantium. We are Josho Shogunate consisting of Red Lotus, Ninja and Kogado.
I am the only one to ever have been a part of the old Shogunate, and that was after I had led the last ninja assault in Strat 1 in an effort to reclaim Odasan from DRZ. I left before any hassle with LLJK, and had no idea that Shogunate was wiped by them. We allied for a very brief period in strat 1. All ninjas were meant to join the Shogunate strat faction, however we were so inactive at the time, that I was the only one there. And only for a month or so.
The old Shogunate clan does not really exist anymore, though some of the Byzantium guys have picked up the old tags again lately.
Sorry for the confusion and thank you for the info. So what does shogunate have against LLJK anyway?? They are just a bunch of nice goons that are actually rather small clan this strat version.
I dig the work you put into the contract image. Looks fucking sick.
Sorry for the confusion and thank you for the info. So what does shogunate have against LLJK anyway?? They are just a bunch of nice goons that are actually rather small clan this strat version.
So is the FCC allied with LLJK or what? Seems like we are hearing more complaints from you guys than LLJK about this war.
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(Boy, Ecko sure is spinning in his grave at the sight of Occitan and LLJK ever fighting on the same side of a battle.)
They had a castle in our land claims (which were made public, before any aggression took place). Phantom was on his way to reinforce said castle, and we decided not to allow it. We just made a roleplay out of it. Plus we don't like them (Especially Berenger lol). Any clan that would make it their business to wipe out weeaboos in general, whether that be in the past present or future, will naturally always be a threat to weeaboos. I mean, you say you despise weeaboos right? Are you going to tell me that last strat you loved them? Hatred runs deep and we try to be as careful as we can be.
You have the audacity to gloat over a melee duel against an archer and this kind of egotistical behavior has incurred my personal wrath. I am not signing up to help LLJK, I am signing up against you personally. There is no amount of money that can be given to me that will change my perception. You have dishonored my family, my abilities, and me personally. I will not stop until I have restored my ancestor's honor.
To the other people in your clan I am sorry and I beg you to not take this personally. I will not break off my retribution simply because someone falsely claims an LLJK + FCC Alliance.
They had a castle in our land claims (which were made public, before any aggression took place). Phantom was on his way to reinforce said castle, and we decided not to allow it. We just made a roleplay out of it. Plus we don't like them (Especially Berenger lol). Any clan that would make it their business to wipe out weeaboos in general, whether that be in the past present or future, will naturally always be a threat to weeaboos. I mean, you say you despise weeaboos right? Are you going to tell me that last strat you loved them? Hatred runs deep and we try to be as careful as we can be.
You made no attempt to vote for that castle, nor any attempt to contact me about it. It is a desert territory and therefore falls under the dominion of LLJK. Which was also public knowledge. I was on my way to sell goods, you attacked me with triple numbers and even after I won the first battle(while outnumbered) did not allow me to retreat. I hope you made the most of that 20k!
Your hollow apologies mean nothing to me and you cannot hide from your past, I am the greatest ninja New Calradia has in its lands and my honor will be restored when a river of your blood flows down the battlefield. You will never see me, you will never hear me, the only thing that will indicate my presence is a storm of arrows that will rain upon you whenever your back is turned. You will be laying face first in the ground and gasping for air as your life force fades away, for this is the only form of an apology I will accept.
Outnumbered by peasnts with a single weapon and single body armor, oh gods have mercy. That army was a kamikaze attack lolz, of course we didn't allow you to retreat.
Yes, I admit we never contacted you, and we thank you for making the first contact between our factions. Oh, just to remind you what that was, I'll post it:
<22:32:09> "PhantomZero" pokes you: I have not yet begun to fight! Death to the Shogunate!
<22:32:15> "PhantomZero" disconnected (leaving)
That was your only attempt at ever communicating with us. I didn't even get to hear your sexy voice :\
And we made more than double the amount you listed.
Your hollow apologies mean nothing to me and you cannot hide from your past, I am the greatest ninja New Calradia has in its lands and my honor will be restored when a river of your blood flows down the battlefield. You will never see me, you will never hear me, the only thing that will indicate my presence is a storm of arrows that will rain upon you whenever your back is turned. You will be laying face first in the ground and gasping for air as your life force fades away, for this is the only form of an apology I will accept.
That was your only attempt at ever communicating with us. I didn't even get to hear your sexy voice :\
You are really fucking creepy.It's okay. He's a girl.
This was after you attacked my village (clearly not apart of your claim) and made this post declaring war, I was just going to let the trade goods go. You took it too far Auphilia,
too far.
You are really fucking creepy.
This was after you attacked my village (clearly not apart of your claim) and made this post declaring war, I was just going to let the trade goods go. You took it too far Auphilia,
too far.
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That "talk" happens all the time. I'm sure you know if you hang out with or have hung out with Ober, Rhyden, Huey... many many many other sexy people...A situation varies depending on who you talk to. Ober, Rhyden and Huey don't come on the forums saying they can't wait to hear someones sexy voice, they just call you gay when you get in the channel with them.
Man, fuck the Causus Belli and all that bullshit. I really do dig the roleplaying you folks are doing, even if I do not participate in it myself. However, I'm just happy that there IS a war, you know? Don't get all bent out of shape about it, folks. These LLJK (who I really try hard to remain objective towards; in other games I have played they've all been jackasses. They're pretty straight here, most of them anyway) and Josho guys are giving us some nice battles and RP. Props to both of them; moreso to the Josho for having the cajones to declare war.
Really, you should not need justification for a declaration of war besides "We want your shit, and we want to fight"
A situation varies depending on who you talk to. Ober, Rhyden and Huey don't come on the forums saying they can't wait to hear someones sexy voice, they just call you gay when you get in the channel with them.(click to show/hide)
jesus, this group of weeaboo is worse then the last we gave an ass kicking too
and they were euros so that's saying something
LOL no. Ober has pics of his dick. (No big deal.) Huey asks me for dicks pics. (Nothing gay about it.) Rhyden taps on my window 3am every other night. (Not creepin on me though. We're friends.)I don't know what you're getting at. All I'm saying is this person "Auphilia" is a creep, and that among other reasons means that I will be fighting for LLJK for free.
I don't know what you're getting at. All I'm saying is this person "Auphilia" is a creep, and that among other reasons means that I will be fighting for LLJK for free.
Three enemies in 20 minutes, and counting!
This is what it feels like to be popular :mrgreen:
Oh, and every last member of the Josho Shogunate would commit seppuku before betraying their empress either willingly, or forcefully.
Therefore, we will announce some rules that you should read closely before posting:
- no one liners - if you have something to say, put some effort in it.
- no links to outside pictures, unless they really fit (ok: strategus map screenshot, not ok: link to 4chan images)
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You could always just commit honorable seppuku and save the lives of your fellow brethren.
:lol:
jesus, this group of weeaboo is worse then the last we gave an ass kicking too
and they were euros so that's saying something
Also to stay in character the Shogunate should kill you off Auphilia as Japan was ruled by Emperors not Empresses and woman are less than men in that culture throughout their history. No self-respecting weeaboo would allow a woman to rule over him.
Can all of you fat nerds shut up and enjoy a few battles?
Can all of you fat nerds shut up and enjoy a few battles?Ladies and Gentlemen, I introduce the one and only...........SAUCEEEEEEEEEEEEE BAUCEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
What he said. ONLY THE FAT ONES. EVERYONE ELSE KEEP SHIT POSTING!
Ladies and Gentlemen, I introduce the one and only...........SAUCEEEEEEEEEEEEE BAUCEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Can all of you fat nerds shut up and enjoy a few battles?
While it may be true that I don't give a shit about Hospitallers, and the mere fact that Canary has allied Chaos with them in search of handouts makes me nauseous, these reasons alone are not going to make me declare open war now or in the future. And even if it is my desire for war, why would I disclose that information with you? A Chaos member with proclaimed alliance with Hospitaller...yea you fat nerds shut up
Declaring war on Hospitaller is declaring war on Chaos as well, are you still going to supply me these "goods" of yours when I'm fighting your clan? Will Canary approve of this? Do you think I'm stupid? There are a few mistakes and assumptions being made here beeps, and I'm trying to figure out what the real angle.
Here are the choices; You don't like Hospitaller but your clan is holding hands with them now. Fine, leave Chaos. We all manned up and did it. Then you can freely craft goods without the underhanded business.
As long as you fly the Chaos banner, I can neither trust you nor do business with you. Frankly, even if you took the banner off I still couldn't fully trust you. I liked you beeps, and I thought we were cool, but some past transgressions have made me think you would have more fun stabbing me in the back than dealing in the front. So now maybe, you see the predicament here.
However, I could be wrong about all of this and you could be the one "honest" smuggler. And don't worry, I'll keep this between us.
yea you fat nerds shut up
Nigro, the only thing I see here is that my ability to roleplay shits on you. Now sit down nerd."Do you think I'm stupid?"
Wow what people say about Kreczor stands true. Although I gave him the benefit of the doubt, he shits on that.I do so enjoy seeing people get mad on forums. I'd be ashamed but I know I'd regret it in the future so I look forward to being on good terms with you in voip because none of this even matters.
I don't know what you're getting at. All I'm saying is this person "Auphilia" is a creep, and that among other reasons means that I will be fighting for LLJK for free.
I hereby pledge to apply at the last minute for both sides and get real mad when I am not accepted to either, so long as it does not interfere with my war against Lordark.
I hereby pledge to apply at the last minute for both sides and get real mad when I am not accepted to either, so long as it does not interfere with my war against Lordark.
I want to have a war against somebody...I hereby declare war on you Spaniard.
want LLJK gone (or at the very least, far away from us).
I hereby declare war on you Spaniard.
What gives? I applied for both of you guys at the last minute and didn't get hired. God damn amateurs.
Totally forgot, had to give out kamikaze speeches. Sorry lol
I'll remember next time (if you let me know ur signing up)
Boy are you in for a surprise.
I like surprises. Looking forward to what you've got to offer.
So, how much do you pay your mercs now?
You always side step the question, but you should really answer it while you still have fiefs. Maybe mercing will be all you have left if you don't start taking diplomacy seriously.
LOL all you have done is threaten us and be extremely rude, and you expect me to entertain you with serious discussion? No thanks. You say I'm the one who needs to work on diplomacy. :rolleyes:
I'm pretty sure the Shogunate had absolutely nothing to do with FCC for all of strat, and all you have done is threaten our fiefs (twice now) and blatantly show hostility towards us. You expect us to overlook this and be willing to hand you gold so that you can "not sign against us" apparently? If you are interested in fighting for us, fine, if not then whatever. Remnants are mercing for us, and we are paying them quite handsomely for it. Our diplomacy went very well, and surprisingly enough there were zero threats involved. I wonder how we managed that, it seems most of the factions in NA strive to go for intimidation and explain how easily they can defeat those who they attempt diplomacy with.
Keep in mind Murdertron is only speaking for himself. Good diplomats would recognize that just from the posts. Also, FCC the faction never "threatened" anything. 4 members signed up on LLJK side out of 42 fighters and you started raging at us like we were declaring war and we explained that leadership in FCC does not tell faction members who they should or should not merc for. The best way to get any individual faction member to join your cause is 1)pay them or 2) talk to them on ts and ask them nicely (we have postings in ohter threads on this previously).
Instead, you, the clan's leader and self-styled "diplomat" rage against all of FCC because of a couple people's posts, never actually request our ts and try to talk to us (you easily could have convinced half-dozen wannabe weeaboos in our clan to fight on your side), refuse to offer even 25 gold to your mercs while saying how generous you pay your remnant mercs, and then in-game (i was there by the way) on NA1 you start a tirade against Murdertron when he asks for money if you want him personally to merc for him (him not his clan) and accuse FCC of blackmailing you.
Your attacks are absurd and have only served to alienate a ready group of quality mercs without ever actually taking the time to talk to us in ts and made accusations against the entire clan that are entirely baseless and make me personally want to request somone else in your clan to handle all future diplomacy with our faction. If I was in your clan I would be yelling at you now for acting like a royal fuck-up (I know Matey and Huey and Kalam have done this to me repeatedly in the past when I messed up diplomatically in Strat 1 and 2).
P.S. Fucking Weeaboos (my own personal opinion, not my clan's)
That is exactly where I got my assumption from. I did go to battle to speak with you guys, and I was just asking about what was going on. Murdertron was speaking for you guys, in your presence, and you said absolutely nothing against anything he said, so I figured he was speaking for all of you, but is that is not the case then nevermind. If one of my members was being rude to another clan diplomat/leader in my presence I would interfere and try to make things less hostile. You refused to do so, so I assumed you agreed with him and that he was speaking on behalf of you all. But anyways, like I said, if that is not the case then my apologies for my assumptions. However, he still has only threatened us, so I won't be talking with him about anything serious. I have yet to threaten anyone from FCC, the most I have said that might imply any hostilities is asking you how much you would pay for our merc support and in the event you refused to pay, I would just do what you guys do.
Anyways, doesn't matter who's fault it is now. Do you guys want to be friendly or not? I have no problem starting over, and I have already apologized. Is that respectable behavior?
To reply to Murdertron: No, I did not say I wouldn't pay you. I just never gave you an offer, I was distracted, and honestly, didn't think you were serious about it. Anyways you never gave me a price, but you presented LLJK with a price? If you would have told us "Hey we will merc for you for x amount of gold per person, would you want our services?" or anything like that, I would have been more than willing to discuss things with you. Instead it is "How much are you paying?" and then all the trolling/rudeness that followed (and yes even other people in game that had nothing to do with identified the rest of that discussion as rudeness and trolling). Naturally after asking me how much I'm going to pay you, then us being involved in unfriendly conversation, and then you guys signing against us, I might assume there is some kind of ill feelings between our factions. That does kinda look like blackmail.
All of that aside if you guys want to start over, I'm willing to set everything aside.
LLJK publicly announced their pay and bonus structure, but also commented that they may pay more depending on who it is or previous performance. It is out there, I don't have to ask them and I did, indeed, ask for a different amount. And they did indeed pay the amount I asked for. So now, I will ask you a third time. How much do you pay? You can answer it in general, "I pay everyone 10 gold per battle." Or even set up a bonus structure, or even, hopefully privately, offer certain factions more. But you have to answer the question. Or, I guess I could just request an amount, hope I get accepted and then hope you actually pay it. But that's a lot of uncertainty when I know what LLJK will give me. So do yourself a favor and tell people something, so they can maybe merc for you.
also who are the joshua shogunate is that like the u2 album?
so many new names in this game I can't keep track.
You won't come out of this as the victors weeaboo scum. That's for damn sure. You mightI heard it was a smashing battle!spergzerg rush us for some villages but trust me this isn't the end of it. Not by a longshot. Last nights battle proved it.
Get ready.
You won't come out of this as the victors weeaboo scum. That's for damn sure. You mightspergzerg rush us for some villages but trust me this isn't the end of it. Not by a longshot. Last nights battle proved it.
Get ready.
Last night's battle was against an under-equipped raiding army. Bear in mind that the only reason you won that battle is because you reinforced the village with soldiers
Ah, just like that time when you reinforced that battle with the Empress when Empress got attacked by me?
Not quite, since on that occasion Auphilia started with 182 troops and only 70 were killed. The only reinforcement that we gave were troops, not equipment so that reinforcement was actually unneccessary - as it turns out.(click to show/hide)
Oh there will be more than verbal sparring when i unleash my secret weapon on all weeaboos in the Desert. I won't reveal anything but it's basically a ''medieval nuke'' if i put it like that.
You'll see!
jesus, this group of weeaboo is worse then the last we gave an ass kicking too
and they were euros so that's saying something
we explained that leadership in FCC does not tell faction members who they should or should not merc for.
You are making some good points, Kesh. However, this
is not how clan diplomacy works. If you want to be on the friendly side of a clan you don't have your members sign up against them and if not, the other way around.
In general saying "sorry, all our members signed up on the wrong side of the battle because we didn't tell them not to - but that means we can still be friends, right?" is not going to work out.
Not that you seem to want to be friends in this case anyway :wink:
You are making some good points, Kesh. However, thisSo a clan should demand that all their members be distributed fairly on either side of the battle? Until the faction itself makes a proclamation stating they are going to war, individuals damn right have the freedom to sign for either side. Take it as you want but you're reading too much into the ideas of individuals.
is not how clan diplomacy works. If you want to be on the friendly side of a clan you don't have your members sign up against them and if not, the other way around.
In general saying "sorry, all our members signed up on the wrong side of the battle because we didn't tell them not to - but that means we can still be friends, right?" is not going to work out.
Not that you seem to want to be friends in this case anyway :wink:
So a clan should demand that all their members be distributed fairly on either side of the battle? Until the faction itself makes a proclamation stating they are going to war, individuals damn right have the freedom to sign for either side. Take it as you want but you're reading too much into the ideas of individuals.
So a clan should demand that all their members be distributed fairly on either side of the battle? Until the faction itself makes a proclamation stating they are going to war, individuals damn right have the freedom to sign for either side. Take it as you want but you're reading too much into the ideas of individuals.
Dynamike obviously hates goons. YOU'RE NO LONGER DYNAMITE MIKE!
So a clan should demand that all their members be distributed fairly on either side of the battle?
If a faction is neutral then of course members signing up for whom they please is natural, but if a faction is trying to be friendly (or allied) with another then you better have no members signing up against. Anything els is a lack of competence and control by the leadership involved, making said faction a liability.
Rinyar Castle.I stand by my point. I dislike hospitallers so I personally signed up against them. Everyone else has their own reasons as well. This was not a faction provoking a war, merely individuals looking for a fair, fun and even fight. I can't speak for the reasons behind the actions of others, but those are mine.
All I've seen from FCC is looking for payment for their mercs, and flock to whoever pays better. It's as simple as that. Josho will eventually begin to think that FCC is doing it on purpose (they already do) and provoke a war because they signed up against them in force. Mercenary work is quite simple, and my point behind this is that whoever has the biggest purse gets the mercs. This isn't a breach of an alliance, neutrality or anything else. They're simply looking for coin and following the biggest pocket. This goes on an individual basis and hell, I'm not going to sign up for someone who is not paying me against willing to pay me 1000g. You'd have to be blind to say that it's a good deal to go to the free faction.
Having a faction claim that they are friendly but allowing their heavy-hitters sign up against you and claim zero-responsibility is poor diplomacy no matter how you choose to look at it, as it is a detriment to your faction via the actions of their members. If a faction is neutral then of course members signing up for whom they please is natural, but if a faction is trying to be friendly (or allied) with another then you better have no members signing up against. Anything els is a lack of competence and control by the leadership involved, making said faction a liability.
Yes, or better yet not let them sign up at all. Welcome to diplomacy, young grasshopper.Have fun controlling the actions of (insert # of members) people. I sure as hell wouldn't follow anything you said if you forced me to sign up for someone who I dislike or who offers the least coin but hey, I guess that's why we have different views on how to lead a faction.
That would be true if playing in a Strategus battle wasn't primarily about the personal benefits--namely, tons of fun, and loads of experience so you can retire fifteen times and get those masterwork smoke bombs you wanted so much.
Have fun controlling the actions of (insert # of members) people. I sure as hell wouldn't follow anything you said if you forced me to sign up for someone who I dislike or who offers the least coin but hey, I guess that's why we have different views on how to lead a faction.
as long as its not major acts like attacking or raiding someone or stealing S&D or anything else on the Strategus map that adversely affects our relations with others.
Would be interesting how YOUR faction leader sees this...If I don't like the person he wants me to sign for I decline to fight period. Simple as that.
If I don't like the person he wants me to sign for I decline to fight period. Simple as that.
Tell us more about how you disobey your leader please.Yes, what kind of faction could abide such a lack of following orders?
Fighting for whoever offers you the most coin makes you a mercenary (aka sellsword) it's not the actions of a soldier affiliated with a faction.
Letting your faction members sign up for whoever they want, also makes you highly unorganized, and seems counter-productive. Either you are working towards a goal of bettering your faction, or you're not.
Would be interesting how YOUR faction leader sees this...
Tell us more about how you disobey your leader please.
You are missing the point. Mercing for one faction against another IS a major act that adversely affects relations - if the signing up on one side is because it has been left open to the members or planned does not matter. A faction leader that cares about diplomacy will need to control that.
If I don't like the person he wants me to sign for I decline to fight period. Simple as that.
Please refer to this thread http://forum.meleegaming.com/diplomacy/fcc-mercanary-policy/new/#new which i recently bumped since people seem to be confused about it. FCC is aware that some people are going to get butt hurt when they see FCC members against them, and we accept that. We are prioritizing fun over "good" diplomacy. if we prioritized "good" diplomacy then most of our members would already have gotten bored and quit because we would have allied with 90% of the NA factions and stayed out of almost every battle that has happened so far. Despite what some people think, it is actually a lot easier in strat to ally everyone and have nice happy peace time than it is to stay independent. But the FCC decided to prioritize fun and as a result we are seen as being "bad" diplomats. So as mentioned in the thread I linked... feel free to get butthurt about how we merc and then yell at us about it, but that will probably just inspire more of our members to want to sign up against you, so you might be better served in just shrugging it off and asking some of our members to fight for you instead. Either way, we aren't changing this policy because it is by far the most popular policy we have ever implemented in the clan EVER.
Well, I still don't like it.
I stand by my point. I dislike hospitallers so I personally signed up against them. Everyone else has their own reasons as well. This was not a faction provoking a war, merely individuals looking for a fair, fun and even fight.It's okay guys excuse krec he has hard time getting over his love for me and other hosps and will eventually be
I generally sign up for whoever I want unless there is some sort of alliance in place. That being said, you could see how the WHOLE faction signing up for one side could me misconstrued.
And I think kesh is right no one should be offended by the FCC when they fight on the other side because they are most likely still helping you win ;P
Or it could be that they like playing together, because, hey, look, they all joined the same faction. When one of mine signs up for a battle, before anyone else signs up, they ask which side they applied for, because playing together is fun. I'm pretty sure the only time a fight that doesn't include us or our allies (of which we have none) won't result in this sort of behavior is if KUTT is involved, in which case SWF would obviously sign up to fight for KUTT against anyone else who dare defy their manifest destiny.
It's okay guys excuse krec he has hard time getting over his love for me and other hosps and will eventually bebrainwashedjoining our righteous cause.
misconstrue [ˌmɪskənˈstruː]
vb -strues, -struing, -strued
(tr) to interpret mistakenly
The Call for Blood...
Soured by the vitriol in the hearts of both sides, the war took a turn for the worst. We had become men who didn't care for lofty ideas like honor, glory, and justice. We became men who only cared for blood- and the gods didn't protect the innocents who came between us and blood.
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Please refer to this thread http://forum.meleegaming.com/diplomacy/fcc-mercanary-policy/new/#new which i recently bumped since people seem to be confused about it. FCC is aware that some people are going to get butt hurt when they see FCC members against them, and we accept that. We are prioritizing fun over "good" diplomacy. if we prioritized "good" diplomacy then most of our members would already have gotten bored and quit because we would have allied with 90% of the NA factions and stayed out of almost every battle that has happened so far. Despite what some people think, it is actually a lot easier in strat to ally everyone and have nice happy peace time than it is to stay independent. But the FCC decided to prioritize fun and as a result we are seen as being "bad" diplomats. So as mentioned in the thread I linked... feel free to get butthurt about how we merc and then yell at us about it, but that will probably just inspire more of our members to want to sign up against you, so you might be better served in just shrugging it off and asking some of our members to fight for you instead. Either way, we aren't changing this policy because it is by far the most popular policy we have ever implemented in the clan EVER.
As much as I like this, I actively went to your TS to get mercs for a battle as a go between for another faction and Kesh told me straight up: Sorry we aren't going to put people against this faction A cause we are friends.
6 FCC signed for the Faction A side while 1 signed up for the Faction B side but did not show up.
Now as for mercing in general. If you have a large portion of your clan fight for 1 side or another(by large i'll use TKOV for the example. 80 members, if 10 sign up against someone, that is a large chunk of their member base and should be constituted as a hostile action), I see no reason WHY you shouldn't consider that a hostile intent.(since roster sizes cap out at 55 i think, 1/5 of a roster being of a single clan is hostile intent)
Even if FCC isn't actually neutral, others may be.
This behavior corresponds to both allied and completely neutral behavior.
First of all, you can't interpret "portion of the roster" at all. That will vary with faction size, and the mercenaries have no control over that. All your number means is that TKoV players are highly valued fighters.
Secondly, you don't actually know if they signed up for only one side or not. Sometimes they sign up for both, but the one who cares more, or spends more of their time at work browsing the cRPG website, will get more people who sign up for both sides.
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I was addressing the same people as were misconstruing the actions, and referring to your quote. It's apparent that the Josho Shogunate categorically defines that behavior as threatening, as you suggested, and I merely added the alternate viewpoint (which happens to be my own), which has not yet been represented.
As much as I like this, I actively went to your TS to get mercs for a battle as a go between for another faction and Kesh told me straight up: Sorry we aren't going to put people against this faction A cause we are friends. Guess what, 6 FCC signed for the Faction A side while 1 signed up for the Faction B side but did not show up.
Based on this experience, your "merc policy" is not as "Free" as you would wish. You STILL put Diplomacy behind who you merc for over fun.
Now as for mercing in general. If you have a large portion of your clan fight for 1 side or another(by large i'll use TKOV for the example. 80 members, if 10 sign up against someone, that is a large chunk of their member base and should be constituted as a hostile action), I see no reason WHY you shouldn't consider that a hostile intent.(since roster sizes cap out at 55 i think, 1/5 of a roster being of a single clan is hostile intent)
A lot of the time, I at least listen to Kesh because he's the usually the only one who's paying attention to anything in strat. Naturally, that will favor people who Kesh favors because a lot of us really don't care who we're fighting. I mean, a lot of the clan has their own biases (Frodo easily comes to mind. I'm pretty sure he hates everyone), I for example will rarely ever sign against LLJK, but I find a lot of the time, aside from recommendations on who to fight for (Since a lot of us still like TKoV, for example, many will likely not sign against them), a lot of us simply sign for both sides to get accepted. Malicious is an easy example of this, as he routinely fought against us in strat. Blondekhan as well, because he's usually too late to be accepted because he doesn't know when battles are happening until he notices TS is mostly empty. Redarrows will fight anything...
I mean, we're all people here. Of course we're going to have our preferences. And yes, we're not at all that neutral, but I don't think anyone here will willingly sign for somebody with the intent to sabotage them (well, I wouldn't put it past Kesh.)
You must be new here son, but when you have a faction sign up en masse against you, it is ALWAYS with hostile intent. If a single clan signs up en masse then they are throwing a significant investment into seeing you win(or lose) that battle and most people take that in bad light. Small numbers, yes that's not a big thing, but significant numbers matters.
As much as I like this, I actively went to your TS to get mercs for a battle as a go between for another faction and Kesh told me straight up: Sorry we aren't going to put people against this faction A cause we are friends. Guess what, 6 FCC signed for the Faction A side while 1 signed up for the Faction B side but did not show up.
Based on this experience, your "merc policy" is not as "Free" as you would wish. You STILL put Diplomacy behind who you merc for over fun.
I mean, a lot of the clan has their own biases (Frodo easily comes to mind. I'm pretty sure he hates everyone), I for example will rarely ever sign against LLJK, but I find a lot of the time, aside from recommendations on who to fight for (Since a lot of us still like TKoV, for example, many will likely not sign against them), a lot of us simply sign for both sides to get accepted.
You asked us to sign up for a fight. I assumed it was for tkov (you were not part of either side's clan) and asked if anyone wanted to fight in the tkov battle. Realizing my misinterpretation of what you asked you corrected me on which side. I told you we don't really merc against TKOV we have fought alongside them so much. I apologized, you said it was fine, you were not even in the clan on the other side, just thought you would ask. I said sorry againm about the confusion and you left. Like Potted plant mentioned - a lot of us really like TKov and you picked the one clan you don't want to ask FCC members to sign up against because we have way too many close friends in TKOV and at best we will sit out.
Not really anything diplomacy related like you are saying just a matter of being well-liked by our clan members. Like we have mentioned before - what works for individual FCC members is be nice to FCC members and become friends or at least ask politely and they will sign up for you or just outright buy their services with average pay (25-100 gold seems pretty reasonable to me, more/less based on performance)
P.S. I thought it interesting you intentionally omitted that it was tkov.
Well you are correct in everything said. As said, I was go between, and that was the reaction i got. But considering strat iterations, etc, you signing up for tkov is not surprising in the least. I wanted to avoid naming factions and the battle, hence why i left it ambiguous so that people didn't start pointing fingers at 1 faction etc.(cause anyone reading that could have assumed several different factions.)
Still will come in and ask you guys for mercs. Though I wish people would pay me the gold I request for strat battles. I mean 1g isn't hard to do, not like you can't make that in 1 hour....
I always ask for exactly 65,535 gold. Someday someone is going to pay it :cry:
As for you, samurais! Good fights! Your two-handed hero-armed heroes are a blast to fight! I'd sign up for you if only your enemies were not one of BIRD CLAN's most loyal vassals!
As for you, samurais! Good fights! Your two-handed hero-armed heroes are a blast to fight! I'd sign up for you if only your enemies were not one of BIRD CLAN's most loyal vassals!
Looked up and found the fight you did for me. Paid you 50 gold. Thanks for reminding me.
Only BIRD CLAN is allowed to consume LLJK
i honestly forgot that you can pay for mercs in strat again, i could care less about 50g in strat gold i'm only in it to kill ppl and pad my strat performance score
if anyone wishes to reward my honorable KDs every battle I will give you my paypal for real payment
It should be noted that BRD clan is not BIRD clan. There are many technicalities involved here.
It should be noted that BRD clan is not BIRD clan. There are many technicalities involved here.
They use the FCC banner right? This is like saying the Ninja clan or Red Lotus will exclusively be going to war with a faction and that their alliance will take absolutely no responsibility yet will be mercing and providing troops/gear for them or the means to obtain them.
Anyways that is three threats of war against the Josho Shogunate by FCC members. Excuse me if I have miscounted.
I don't think there are any other alliances that large that allow members to just go to wars without the consent of their leaders. I assume since FCC hasn't declared war and has been arguing their neutral stance, that they did not give permission for their members to declare war. Usually clan members get kicked out for that sort of thing. Regardless of what is said or done, at the end of the day every member who raises your banner represents your clan. If too many members of a clan are trolls, then the clan will be seen as a troll clan. If too many members are unskillful, then the clan will be seen as a noob clan. If a clan is going to allow their members to declare war on neutral factions across the map for shits and giggles, then the clan should be held accountable for it. There is no leadership shown in sitting idly by while letting alliance members freely declare war (serious or not).
At first I figured we were all just having fun trolling each other, and then when I saw people taking it seriously I apologized and tried to present myself in a more respectable manner. Now things are just getting out of hand. The Josho Shogunate is a new alliance, and I've not dealt with this much diplomacy so I'm not use to what is common ground, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone let faction members declare war in such a manner, nor have I seen officers of said faction sit idly by and refuse to neutralize the hostilities. It seems like I'm suppose to just ignore these blatant threats, but as someone who respects their alliance, I can not.
That being said, I ask Kesh or whoever is the FCC diplomat to speak with me tomorrow and see if we can clear things up. I would have done that today, but I have been busy (now I'm assuming it is too late). Anyways, thank you for your understanding.
Yeah, Kogado has nothing to do with the Josho Shogunate, they just use the banner.
The main reason I persist in this war against LLJK is because of you Berenger. Peace could have been negotiated. :|
You are very good at trolling, I know you take great pride in that, and I mean this as a compliment.
You aren't asked to :P
Phantom was
How about me and PhantomZero duel in open battle for all to see, and the victorious claims all the lands of the defeated who will disband all armies and be exiled from the desert?
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Yeah, Kogado has nothing to do with the Josho Shogunate, they just use the banner.
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