For the record, and not that I should need to explain anything to anyone, but this was a long negotiation that was reached in agreement mainly for respecting land claims (i.e. we'd be giving up any claims in the Tundra). Shouldn't have to spell it out any clearer than that.
Should I take this as a threat? KUTT did say that if we wouldn't ally with them vs hosp then they would ally with hosp vs us. does that mean that this alliance has formed in order to threaten FCC? or is it for other purposes?
Well, Lordark already implied he wants to go to war against us.
Well he's not the final decision maker. FCC attacked our fief and our faction members, but we have not declared war against FCC, and have no plans of doing so in the near future. You attacking us could (and most people probably would) take it as an act of war, requiring no declaration from the people being attacked.
You mean the randomly assigned fiefs in the middle of our territory - just like you attacked a dozen different fiefs in your respective territory that mostly went undefended as they were randomly assigned?
Also, really??? The 2nd and 4th largest factions unite into a mega-alliance of 35% of NA player base (45% and 1st and 3rd if you include each of their various vassals). Before a war has ever even broken out. Both clans are frightened out of their minds of ever standing on their own 2 feet and desperately sought a mega-alliance against who??? The only clans that are anywhere even near their size are FCC and TKOV, most of NA is smaller factions doing interesting battles. Why are Hospitallers always chasing after some alliance with most of the playerbase allied to them???
We allied for mutual beneficial reasons. Mainly KUTT wanted Yruma Castle, but didn't have anything to offer that would interest us. We were able to come up with a trade alliance with them, mutual defense pact, and an agreement that if either side is fighting a battle, we would sign up mutually for them (or at minimum, not sign up against them). That's really all the agreement stands for. We don't have any enemies we are going to be nation building against, it's not like we're planning on marching across the NA lands and start taking over as much as we can.
KUTT is happy in the Tundra, and Hospitaller are happy in the steppe. We have no plans for aggressive expansion, this was just something that was mutually beneficial to both parties.
It should not be taken as a threat to anyone, and will obviously strengthen the defensive capabilities of both factions. (AGAINST WHO???? no one is your size already hospitallers) I fail to see all the doom and gloom people are postulating about.
But I thought that FCC and TkoV were enemies who should be attacked on sight if seen within Hospitaller territory?
Against any potential enemies that would threaten either faction? So you can only come to diplomatic terms with another faction if you have enemies? That's news to me. Have none of you ever played EU3 or any seen any medieval diplomacy in movies or TV or books? The Tudors comes to mind, as does A Song of Ice and Fire.
People are reading too far into this.
And it's not like I didn't come and discuss this with you Kesh. You certainly had options to come to diplomatic agreements with both KUTT and Hospitallers, but you chose not to.
Yeah like I told you before. FCC members are 100% opposed to the idea of messing up NA the way UIF did to EU strat. We refused to from an NA UIF with you and will always do so. We thought you had enough integrity to do the same and keep the game fun still on the NA side.
Yeah like I told you before. FCC members are 100% opposed to the idea of messing up NA the way UIF did to EU strat. We refused to from an NA UIF with you and will always do so. We thought you had enough integrity to do the same and keep the game fun still on the NA side.
I'm a little curious on what the FCC considers itself since it is several factions itself under one banner.
Unicorns have three members, Cavalieries have maybe around ten, Narwhals one person with downs.
I was under the impression that FCC/TKOV/remnant and maybe even chaos were unofficial allies more or less. With occitan gone someone had to balance the power, i guess that ended up being kutt.
Also, really??? The 2nd and 4th largest factions unite into a mega-alliance of 35% of NA player base (45% and 1st and 3rd if you include each of their various vassals (Norse Horde, Papal Guard, Astralis, Chevaliers for Hospitallers already made them bigger than any other 2 clans with 5 cities and countless fiefs). Before a war has ever even broken
I was under the impression that FCC/TKOV/remnant and maybe even chaos were unofficial allies more or less. With occitan gone someone had to balance the power, i guess that ended up being kutt.
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stop crying FCC. We are friends with KUTT, that's the end of it. Your whining isn't going to make us dissolve our friendship =)
Yeah like I told you before. FCC members are 100% opposed to the idea of messing up NA the way UIF did to EU strat. We refused to from an NA UIF with you and will always do so. We thought you had enough integrity to do the same and keep the game fun still on the NA side.
According to who or what?
44+46=90, within your 80-120 margin, Garem. Though they will probably also be bringing in the Hospitaller vassals, I'm sure. Which is +2 +15 +4, bringing it to 111.
But I digress.
If I am wrong about the stance of the Hospitaller towards non-friendly clans in their territory, I apologize for the slander. It may have changed in recent days, my information is, after all, a week old. (http://i50.tinypic.com/2porzag.png)
Don't forget the 1-man army of Narwhals is worth any 5 vassal factions!!!
Plus 187 clan has 3 members.
You forget that i'm off becoming Mandible, Kesh.
So, 2(?).
Any negative actions taken against either faction, [sic] will be considered a slight by the other allied faction.
Although I believe this post is politically motivated (and bravo to that! this is not a condemnation of such), I speak to everyone else watching this go down not to grow too concerned about what is occurring.
This is an example of a low-grade alliance; like the Allied forces of WWI (and look what Italy did!), they are by nature temporary. The UIF or Fallen+HRE are blocs, they live perpetually; it's like the Soviet bloc of the Cold War, which was locked and unshakable in their adherence to a position (at least historically and by the view of outsiders for all three game and RL examples).
Note, these are terms that I'm creating, not actual definitions, for the sake of clarity on the issue. In reality, these two words are synonymous.
These two terms in the context of cRPG, alliance and bloc, are fundamentally different in that alliances are temporary. Allow me to draw some more examples from my own experience (which most of you share). Fallen and HRE are a bloc (GK is too, more or less). DRZ and Grey are a bloc. Hospitallers and Occitan appear to be a bloc, but that relationship may be changing under Arrowaine's new EU-First strategy. LLJK and Fallen, and BRD and Fallen, and TKoV and Fallen, and even DRZ and Fallen were all alliances. These relationships all changed, the latter even turning hostile at after Strat 2.
Do not mistake alliances for blocs. Alliances can, and have, broken apart as events unfold. Let that assuage any fears of the Sky-Is-Falling Chicken Littles out there. Alliances only last as long as they are convenient to the members. Theoretically, so do blocs, but due to innumerable reasons that kind of change never occurs.
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All that above being noted, there's certainly something to be said about the Concert Standing conundrum. If someone in the front row of a concert stands up, he has forced everyone behind him to stand as well. An alteration by an individual of little to negative value can cause a net loss for the whole. Everyone is worse off than they were when they started- comfortably seated.
In our case, comfortably separated and unbound by agreements.
This is a fundamentally flawed argument, however, as alliances are NOT a net loss. Alliances are often necessary for smaller forces to compete with a larger. Alliances bring more predictability and make the changes from expectations more interesting; as a player in the underdog faction against larger factions from day 1, it definitely has made my own experiences more enjoyable. They also allow you to fully utilize key mechanics of the game, like filling rosters and establishing full teams that can work together, and finding that ideal balance between the different archetypes of players (cav, inf, range).
I would estimate that to effectively accomplish these three things listed above requires around 80-120 active players. And, wouldn't you know, KUTT and Hospis still don't have that many combined (they're getting close though!). Anybody want to bet that they'll have to bring in outsiders to fill rosters?
That's why there are alliances, and that's not a bad thing.
But I thought that FCC and TkoV were enemies who should be attacked on sight if seen within Hospitaller territory?Just you :mrgreen:
I think KUTT and particularly BOAT clan are very personable. FCC from the start was more aggressive, trying to be opportunistic and taking things, whereas everything we claimed, we did our best to bribe the owners out of them and do it on friendly peaceful terms. We are not warmongers. We prefer diplomacy and kindness to take what we want.
If everyone simply got along Strat would lose all of its flavor, wouldn't it? :P
I We are not warmongers. We prefer diplomacy and kindness to take what we want.
Yeah like I told you before. FCC members are 100% opposed to the idea of messing up NA the way UIF did to EU strat. We refused to from an NA UIF with you and will always do so. We thought you had enough integrity to do the same and keep the game fun still on the NA side.i am curious, isn't FCC a combination of several clans/factions into one faction? Haven't you been trying to support( and failed ^^) Fallen last strat while being allied with TkoV? These are questions not statements so please enlight me.
i am curious, isn't FCC a combination of several clans/factions into one faction? Haven't you been trying to support( and failed ^^) Fallen last strat while being allied with TkoV? These are questions not statements so please enlight me.
i am curious, isn't FCC a combination of several clans/factions into one faction? Haven't you been trying to support( and failed ^^) Fallen last strat while being allied with TkoV? These are questions not statements so please enlight me.
And thus the retarded mega alliances begin :/
So much for "NA has no megablocs."
I mean really if you want to break this down (and hopefully my facts are accurate) TKoV has its members, HoC, and MB in the Strat Faction. FCC has Cavaliers, Unicorns, BRD, and two other clans that I cannot remember for the life of me.Hero_Party has 7~ members with 4~ SemenStorm guys, and then the billions within them. Should we be expecting an anti-hero_party alliance? Oh wait...
KUTT has its members + 2 Swiss Members + 6-10? Teutonics and Hospitallers have themselves (not sure who else).
Hero_Party has 7~ members with 4~ SemenStorm guys, and then the billions within them. Should we be expecting an anti-hero_party alliance? Oh wait...
NA has always had MegaBlocs in every strat, they just collapse very quickly in every strat. We have had the massive Empire, then Red VS Green, and now a few new ones that may or may not loom up. Given the turbulent history of NA as a whole, I'm not sure anyone should be worried all that much, things change quickly.
I love the fact that 2 clans and 90 members constitutes a mega block in NA :D There are a further 300+ NA players in clans with currently undeclared diplomacy and that's ignoring all the clans under 10 members plus the independents.
In EU we have 400+ in the UIF and 350+ in the anti-UIF. That only leaves 80ish in currently neutral clans of at least 10 members.
23% of NA allying still has a long way to go before it gets anywhere near the 48% we have in the biggest EU block. Please note I am ignoring really small clans and independents so actually these percentages are high.
Key Words.
It's hard to be pissed about losing a fief when you get another one and shit on top of that to sweeten the deal. However when you get attacked by a bunch of guys and lose what you have and have nothing to show for it, that's something else entirely.
Its a lot more than 90 including both clans vassals/allies. More like 130-160 range. It includes 40% of the NA cities and between 1/3rd and a 1/4th of the castles and villages.
Taken out of context, this was in response to people who use violence to take what they want. I only used the word take as a comparison. A more accurate word would be buy. It's hard to be pissed about losing a fief when you get another one and shit on top of that to sweeten the deal. However when you get attacked by a bunch of guys and lose what you have and have nothing to show for it, that's something else entirely.
Can we just make one badass mega NA alliance and fck up EU?
Absolutely. 100%. No.why not? because we're too busy squabbling to look at the bigger picture? We could kick their ass if we put our mind to it. We could do anything! *CUE THE MUSIC*
Its a lot more than 90 including both clans vassals/allies. More like 130-160 range. It includes 40% of the NA cities and between 1/3rd and a 1/4th of the castles and villages.
List them kesh. The only people that i know that you can add to the Hosp clan/vassal status is astralis and they are 14 members. You can probably stretch it and add NH for another 17, but that's about it. All other sections are not even remotely allied.
If anything the current strat map is probably like this(and this is my OWN reading of everything)
Allies(official/unofficial) (Members)
Velucan Empire + FCC (82 + 40)
Hosp + Kutt + Astralis + FPF (44 + 46 +14 + 10)
Chaos + PH (19 + 11)
Independents(Other Large or slightly important factions)
Josho Shogunate ( 34)
Remnant (32)
Hero Party (11)
LLJK (26)
NH (17)
Order Dus Chevaliers (15)
SWF (7)
Coalition(133, but unknown NA member count)
War
KUTT v SWF
LLJK v Shogunate
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The way I see it is this,
Let me tell you a story of a boy named Keven, and his father named Henry.
Kevin wanted something sweet to eat. So, Kevin went to the ice cream man outside of his house to get a power-puff girl popsicle.
Kevin only had 2 dollars to get the one popsicle, but he demanded more. He wanted all of the popsicles in the ice cream truck.
Now, Kevin cried a little bit about it. He pouted, threw hit little baseball cap on the ground, and even kicked up some dirt just to show how angry he was.
He ran back inside his house and called for his father, Henry. Henry has never seen Kevin cry so much, so he promised him that he would get whatever he wants.
Kevin wanted the ice cream man dead, and he wanted all of the ice creams and popsicles in the ice cream truck.
Henry and Kevin both went outside to threaten the ice cream man, but the ice cream man knew they were just big babies.
The End.
Anders NH just clarified in this thread they are not allies/vassals of hospitaller. Are astralis legit hosp vassals? Other than frank the tank i didnt know FPF had any relation to hosp, or they are kutts vassals?
Don't forget the Papal Guard, Malta, and Chevaliers. They are all official allies of Hospitaller and should be counted with their side.
FPF are not allied or vassals of KUTT. We're friendly with them I believe after the weird Joey Baloney nonsense.
I appreciate the effort you went through to try to be amusing while ignoring context or just speaking like an adult.
Kevin actually had already bought the ice cream, is what you don't realize. He actually paid more for the ice cream than the actual cost of the ice cream, because the ice cream man was poor and had children he needed to feed. The only problem was, the ice cream man was out of ice cream, but promised to come back again the next week to give the ice cream he owed to Kevin. The ice cream man came back, and some douche bag named Tyrone stole the ice cream from the truck when the ice cream man wasn't looking. The ice cream man decided to go ahead and move on with his family to the homeless shelter and get his family on Medicaid. Kevin went to Tyrone to get the ice cream back from him. Tyrone didn't even really want any ice cream, he just is an ass hole. Kevin offered to buy the ice cream back from him at double the price, and Tyrone refused because his IQ tests at barely above retard level. Tyrone said the only way to get the ice cream back was to fight him for it. Kevin, being a responsible young man and not a huge bundle of sticks decided against fighting since he actually likes Tyrone.
In a completely unrelated incident, Kevin and his friend Trevor decided they would be best friends and play Super Nintendo together and trade Pokemon cards.
Since your reading comprehension is lacking I explained it to you using your ridiculous analogies. Hope I helped.
Won't change their status on the chart i made then. Friendly is near enough to ally in strat.
(IE won't attack each other, merc for one another, give prefrences too etc etc.)
You seem a bit mad about this.(click to show/hide)
Why are people assuming that TKOV and FCC are allied? Why is TKOV brought up so much in this thread?
Chaos and remnant allied?
Whats the big problem? Hospitaller has around 46 members plus chevalier, papal guard and malta adds up to around 66 people.
So that's official then that those 3 clans are HOSP bitc.... :wink:...i mean allies?Maybe, but they're actually vassals and not just "friendly" clans.
Perhaps I should make a more official table rather than an unofficial side line viewers take.
Based on EDIT from spanish:
So Sounds like MY ts. Two largeish groups(Astralis, Shogunate) that hang and get each other to merc for themselves, but not being allied.
Most of what I have is actually rather true. The FCC and VE probably the MOST WRONG of the table. Though I have it on GOOD AUTHORITY that Kesh pushes FCC members to fight for your side.(now they have a mercing policy of whatever, but a leader saying go here is indicative of general overall opinion). That is why I put it the way I did.
To be clear: We are not pushed to join fights by anyone. We can merc for whoever we want. There has been at least one battle so far where we've had members on both sides. It is absolutely possible that Kesh at some point said, "hey guys, this battle is happening, so sign up if you want," but it's a suggestion at best.
Personally, I don't really know the other VE clans, but I like TKoV, so I am much more likely to help them than go against them.
....so what are you angry about? just ignore those mega alliances and look for one of your own size to battle.
so what are you angry about? just ignore those mega alliances and look for one of your own size to battle.
But If you fear the ^^ mega alliances would come after you then join forces with others. As Garem stated, someone stood up, others followed. Desert Alliance was a reaction onto Fallen/HRE/GK/others UIF etc and propaganda in strat 2.0. Desert Alliance had roster support in some cases by DRZ and Grey Order, but wasn't resupplied by them. Desert Alliance made trade with Grey Order which later was used by Grey Order to resupply Nords and their own troops to attack the Desert Alliance while Chaos and others were busy with Hospitallers/Occitan. I would have preferred for that attack to wait till we were out of the other war, but strategicly it was the best time to attack the Desert Alliance, well played.
On the lying part, your Matey tried several times in Strat 2.0 to make me brake my word and he didn't succeed. But what if he would have succeeded? I would have switched sides to FCC and in your eyes i may have been a great help. Morally but wasteland. I am still totally fine with my actions in strat 3.0, because you see, honor comes from within, reputation is that how others see me, but i know i stayed true to my friends in strat 3.0 so i kept my honor but lost a lot of reputation, when i tricked the other "Mega Alliance". When strat 3.0 started, i had a plan and i found alliance partners. But not all i called on became alliance partners. Nords even decided to settle next to me as did Byzantium after i told them where we would be and whom we would go against. I know that Okin rattled the cage and openly called "whoever is for Fallen needs to fight the Wolves in the desert" as told to me by a former contract partner. So there were several clans who knew what the Desert Alliance was about, where they would be situated and who would be involved against whom. Ujin later on appologized that they went also into the desert and as he claimed he forgot about our talk, well human nature can be like that i know, i recognize his appology and hope he will come back to strategus at some point. Mercs wanted to stay in the same area they were before but had a problem over Tshitbin with the Union the Strat before which ended in a diplomatic desaster as i was first hand witness. When then the Desert Alliance with strong numbers formed in the desert and Nords claimed the same space and Byzantium and Kapikulu also, we first waged war against Nords. They but were resupplied by as far we know Byzantium/Kapikulu and i was also told by HRE(not too sure about the last part, Rogue perhaps you can clarify that?). Meanwhile our NA Friends Hospitallers scrimished Fallens, as it was the plan and our believe that they may have problems to be suddenly in the front line while they had all the time in the world to build up in the strategus before. Hospitallers and Occitan did a great job there and yes sometimes when it got close they got resupplied by their EU Friends as happened vice versa, that is the nice thing about an alliance you don't really care that much who has what aslong everyone gets something.
We succeeded with "our" plans! The only clan involved there which didn't earn what was coming at them were and still is in my eyes Kapikulu and i will repay them this strategus.
And if Canary and Phantom Zero would have be a bit more willing to cooperate, after Fallen/HRE/GK/Nords/Kapikulu/... were taken care of in strat 3.0 and also a bit more clan disciplin on hopsitallers side as far as i remember ;) , there would have still be the chance to take the UIF on. Something afterwards Crusaders kept on working towards with me explicitly supporting it, but me not taking part in it anymore as i was exhausted then.
So Kesh, deal with it. There are alliances on NA. They even made it public, that is a good thing. Nothing worse then planing a war or an attack and you don't know what to expect ;)
Can we just make one badass mega NA alliance and fck up EU?
Huey you lost your right to post after lordark owned you.
arowaine change your avatar mate.is there an FCC quitter avatar out there?
It'll do you good.
Trust me
is there an FCC quitter avatar out there?
Hey guys were having fun now right? If you cant handle the fire get out of Calradia!
Your gonna win or your gonna loose its a game not real life so take it all with grain of delicious tear salt!
Im glad that were getting all hyped up (or not) about war and that our steam group has spies and clans are being super secret about thier alliances etc etc its fun!
War is coming and its gonna be great so every one get ready! Im not the Grand Chancellor of Hospitallerz nor am I its King! Im justa Lord/Baron type and I like to express my opinion with you good people of Calradia.
I've begged Matey in strat 2 to let us keep one castle since he used to be a Hospitaller and we were betrayed by our so called MEGA ALLIANCE of ATS and TS and he told me' I cant help you man' so you know what Matey? Its strat 4 so um yeah thats something for you to know what IM thinking about.
I wont forgive nor forget that one, yeah folks a little slice of drama for y'alls. Talk in one ear and out the other. I let actions decide my choices not this petty talk. Let NA Calradia burn in the face of our Righteous Anger! Let the war of NA finally be true and not tarnished by EU interference! Death and Glory to us all!!!!
GOD WILLS IT!
War
KUTT v SWF
Not much of a war (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Zanzibar_War), but fun nonetheless. (KUTT had better watch for IEDs on Tom's bridges.)
this is my personal view of it.
btw occitan just get walk over on eu dessert against hre fallen gk templar sb stormgrade and maybe some other with 2 fief we were able to first took of their fief at the begining and keep a decent figthing even with ping disavantage and low economie compare to that mega alliance. We had merc help tougth from several faction who has comflic against them aswell. We arent complaning about getting wiped or anything im just saying any faction should have a goal and try to make it. now we move on and working somewhere eles
that being said for the fcc if you are really worry about that kuut/hosp alliance feel free to make yours. everyone have theirs anyways look tkov hoc and mb together making a empire. as huge as the northen empire use to be almost :)
btw canary for the large na map keep in mind there is like 40 occitan missing on it atm i count 10 on na side alread. so yeah maybe the map is to large for all of you without us in hehhe.
Should we take that as the official war proclamation.. or u just hate matey?... is it because he is Canadian?
Most of this post should be ignored because it seems that a 12 year old wrote it. Coping with losses is a tough milestone to cross, holding a grudge is something a child would do. Also your in and outs of using proper grammar is quite fucking annoying, either shit talk and don't try and act diplomatic or shit talk and stay diplomatic. You are a terrible poster.
"this post does not represent blah blah only kreczor"
I, and not my faction, hereby declare war on Lordark but only Lordark and not his faction.
Kreczor, I believe you were looking for something like this "The views expressed in this post are those of the author and do not necessarily represent the views of, and should not be attributed to, the LLJK Faction, the CHAOS Faction, the Green Machine, the Green Movement, or the USA Faction."crpg.txt
I, and not my faction, hereby declare war on Lordark but only Lordark and not his faction.
Hey BRD (and minor vassal clans) Why don't you quit crying about Strat and DO something about it???
Like Minus my posts out of Oblivion! Feed me your down vote rage!! Become one with the Dark siiide!!!
*on a different subject*
Also to answer Knute post I try to sign up for the underdogs all the time! Im sigining up for LLJK vs Remant battle tonight even tho thier outnumbered and am gonna ask any of my buddies to do the same.
Its mostly a popularity contest in NA not like EU where you guys suck (im just kidding im only saying this to gain favor with certain people) I cant run a clan this big because Im not charismatic enough but I can
tell you that I will fight to the death to defend its honor! I also want to state to every 1 that whiping out clans form Strat is lame becuase it lowers the player base and forces every 1 to play less since there are less people to play againt like when BRD CO was taken out of strat 3 and every 1 said fuck this is boring now lets go play Skyrum! *delicious SO yeah I try to rage less the 2 years Ive been here but HEY
no one is perfect right Huey?
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Stand on your own 2 feet. FCC has lost all its fiefs multiple times in Strat 1.0 and once in Strat 2.0 because we faced stronger enemies than us and took risks, but we also destroyed empires too and every one of our members would say they had a lot of fun, far more than they would have in any other clan - certainly more than in timid clans that only enter wars when they vastly outnumber their opponents in gear, troops, mercs, and gold.
.... We eventually got the impression from Rhaelys that we either had to make some deal or have CHAOS turn on us, so we ended up making the deal where we would just take some troops and gold and go elsewhere, thats when Loki suggested that we work with Fallen and DRZ against the NE... (http://forum.meleegaming.com/strategus-general-discussion/mega-alliances-who%27s-to-blame-what-to-do/msg620680/#msg620680)
I still don't understand why people are upset over the alliance.
Huey is perfect!
I'm nowhere nearHuey, you are beyond perfect. You are a strong, independent black women, who don't need no man in her life.
Huey, you are beyond perfect. You are a strong, independent black women, who don't need no man in her life.
So that was exactly how different to working as one huge chunk of players(call it alliance or coallition or whatever) ganging up onto a smaller enemy? Don't get me wrong, it was certainly a smart move back then, but you trying here to make people feel bad while those playing the game as they feel fit, be it even in an alliance,
doesn't seem very FREE minded to me.
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that's why in my opinion
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EDIT: Another thought poped into my mind, UNITED States of America, in a philosophical way spoken, couldn't you call that a huge alliance of States?
EDIT: Another thought poped into my mind, UNITED States of America, in a philosophical way spoken, couldn't you call that a huge alliance of States?Kingrimm, in the real world having a massive alliance that turns into carebear friendliness where everyone prospers and no one fights is considered a good thing. Probably not the best example.
well even with fallen and DRZ, we expected a real fight out of it. no one outside of the NE knew how weak they were.true that
also, the USA could be considered that.. but strat is not the real world. if it was, i would just ally with everyone for the benefit of all. strat is a war game, i like to think the real world isnt.i do understand Keshians frustration, been there and came to the conclusions in strat 2.0 to form an alliance myself in strat 3.0 Desert Alliance as in 4.0. Cold Front Alliance.
Kinngrimm, in the real world having a massive alliance that turns into carebear friendliness where everyone prospers and no one fights is considered a good thing. Probably not the best example.Propably not the best example ^^ otherwise we wouldn't have wars at all with that logic. Which also i wouldn't mind in RL ^^
If you look at it that way you could add Chaos/PH, Remant, LLJK, Hero party, SWF to the TKOV/BRD side. Atleast this is how it was last strat. Already speculating on the matchup for the next NA Strat World War.
My predictions:
Hosp,Kutt,NH,Astralis,FPF, Chevaliers
Vs.
TKOV,FCC,Remant,Chaos,PH,LLJK,Hero party, SWF